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	<title>Comments on: Was it a mistake to use interrogation techniques such as waterboarding?</title>
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	<description>Shaunti Feldhahn, a right-leaning columnist, and Andrea Cornell Sarvady, a left-leaning columnist, debate issues in the news.</description>
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		<title>By: Mara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/05/15/was-it-a-mistake-to-use-interrogation-techniques-such-as-waterboarding/comment-page-6/#comment-3372</link>
		<dc:creator>Mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No link?!!  W2W gone bye-bye?  Aaaawwwww, cr*p....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No link?!!  W2W gone bye-bye?  Aaaawwwww, cr*p&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gandalf, the White! (!)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/05/15/was-it-a-mistake-to-use-interrogation-techniques-such-as-waterboarding/comment-page-6/#comment-3371</link>
		<dc:creator>Gandalf, the White! (!)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They kilt it, the link is gone from the opinion page. By to all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They kilt it, the link is gone from the opinion page. By to all!</p>
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		<title>By: Gandalf, the White! (!)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/05/15/was-it-a-mistake-to-use-interrogation-techniques-such-as-waterboarding/comment-page-6/#comment-3370</link>
		<dc:creator>Gandalf, the White! (!)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freddie was a good singer, but get someone back in there so they can play some more! Freddie&#039;s Dead, that&#039;s what I said!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freddie was a good singer, but get someone back in there so they can play some more! Freddie&#8217;s Dead, that&#8217;s what I said!</p>
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		<title>By: USinUK</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/05/15/was-it-a-mistake-to-use-interrogation-techniques-such-as-waterboarding/comment-page-6/#comment-3369</link>
		<dc:creator>USinUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mara - 

&quot;um…you do know that Freddie’s dead&quot;

good gravy, woman ... I live in the UK - he&#039;s practically a SAINT here.  

it&#039;s just wrong because it&#039;s not like Freddie Mercury was someone in the background like the drummer - he was the face and the voice for Queen.  They can replace him, but they should call themselves something other than Queen.  

(and, yes, I feel much the same way about replacing Michael Hutchens from INXS)

but you are absolutely right - FM was definitely one-of-a-kind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mara &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;um…you do know that Freddie’s dead&#8221;</p>
<p>good gravy, woman &#8230; I live in the UK &#8211; he&#8217;s practically a SAINT here.  </p>
<p>it&#8217;s just wrong because it&#8217;s not like Freddie Mercury was someone in the background like the drummer &#8211; he was the face and the voice for Queen.  They can replace him, but they should call themselves something other than Queen.  </p>
<p>(and, yes, I feel much the same way about replacing Michael Hutchens from INXS)</p>
<p>but you are absolutely right &#8211; FM was definitely one-of-a-kind</p>
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		<title>By: Mara</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/05/15/was-it-a-mistake-to-use-interrogation-techniques-such-as-waterboarding/comment-page-6/#comment-3368</link>
		<dc:creator>Mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t know how the GOP is going to fight her nomination, but I&#039;m sure they will.  Maybe their plan is to make her look so acceptable to them that liberals will start second-guessing their support.  

For example, here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-27/empathy-trumps-excellence/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John &quot;Torture Memo&quot; Yoo&lt;/a&gt; - &quot;&lt;i&gt;Liberals have missed their chance to put on the court an intellectual leader who will bring about a progressive revolution in the law.&lt;/i&gt;

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UsinUK - &lt;i&gt;...replacing Freddie Mercury is just...so...wrong.&lt;/i&gt;

um...you &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; know that Freddie&#039;s dead...right?  So Adam wouldn&#039;t exactly be &#039;replacing&#039; Mercury, not that he could anyway since FM was, IMHO, one-of-a-kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t know how the GOP is going to fight her nomination, but I&#8217;m sure they will.  Maybe their plan is to make her look so acceptable to them that liberals will start second-guessing their support.  </p>
<p>For example, here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-27/empathy-trumps-excellence/" rel="nofollow">John &#8220;Torture Memo&#8221; Yoo</a> &#8211; &#8220;<i>Liberals have missed their chance to put on the court an intellectual leader who will bring about a progressive revolution in the law.</i></p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>UsinUK &#8211; <i>&#8230;replacing Freddie Mercury is just&#8230;so&#8230;wrong.</i></p>
<p>um&#8230;you <i>do</i> know that Freddie&#8217;s dead&#8230;right?  So Adam wouldn&#8217;t exactly be &#8216;replacing&#8217; Mercury, not that he could anyway since FM was, IMHO, one-of-a-kind.</p>
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		<title>By: USinUK</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/05/15/was-it-a-mistake-to-use-interrogation-techniques-such-as-waterboarding/comment-page-6/#comment-3367</link>
		<dc:creator>USinUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;her opinion that a Latina has BETTER wisdom than a white male is racist&quot;

Actually, if you read the rest of the quote (which, by the way, was about racism and sexism specifically, not wisdom generally), then you&#039;d see that she doesn&#039;t think that at all.

The rest of the quote:
Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society. Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown.

However, to understand takes time and effort, something that not all people are willing to give. For others, their experiences limit their ability to understand the experiences of others. Other simply do not care. Hence, one must accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench. Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see.

A PERFECT example of the facts judges choose to see: Ginsburg&#039;s dissents in Gonzalez v. Carhart (a great read, by the way) and especially Ledbetter (&quot;In our view, the court does not comprehend, or is indifferent to, the insidious way in which women can be victims of pay discrimination,&quot; and &quot;&quot;Title VII was meant to govern real-world employment practices, and that world is what the court today ignores.&quot;)

A few years ago, there was a fantastic ad where an umpire is about to go call a game, but leaves his glasses at a restaurant table ... he says &quot;I call it like I see it&quot; to which the waitress replies &quot;but you have to see it to call it&quot;.  Sotomayer and Ginsburg are both saying that you HAVE to see the issue to call it - something which the Roberts court doesn&#039;t seem particularly adept at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;her opinion that a Latina has BETTER wisdom than a white male is racist&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, if you read the rest of the quote (which, by the way, was about racism and sexism specifically, not wisdom generally), then you&#8217;d see that she doesn&#8217;t think that at all.</p>
<p>The rest of the quote:<br />
Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society. Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown.</p>
<p>However, to understand takes time and effort, something that not all people are willing to give. For others, their experiences limit their ability to understand the experiences of others. Other simply do not care. Hence, one must accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench. Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see.</p>
<p>A PERFECT example of the facts judges choose to see: Ginsburg&#8217;s dissents in Gonzalez v. Carhart (a great read, by the way) and especially Ledbetter (&#8221;In our view, the court does not comprehend, or is indifferent to, the insidious way in which women can be victims of pay discrimination,&#8221; and &#8220;&#8221;Title VII was meant to govern real-world employment practices, and that world is what the court today ignores.&#8221;)</p>
<p>A few years ago, there was a fantastic ad where an umpire is about to go call a game, but leaves his glasses at a restaurant table &#8230; he says &#8220;I call it like I see it&#8221; to which the waitress replies &#8220;but you have to see it to call it&#8221;.  Sotomayer and Ginsburg are both saying that you HAVE to see the issue to call it &#8211; something which the Roberts court doesn&#8217;t seem particularly adept at.</p>
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		<title>By: Gandalf, the White! (!)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/05/15/was-it-a-mistake-to-use-interrogation-techniques-such-as-waterboarding/comment-page-6/#comment-3366</link>
		<dc:creator>Gandalf, the White! (!)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She has the creds, but her opinion that a Latina has BETTER wisdom than a white male is racist. She should be eliminated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She has the creds, but her opinion that a Latina has BETTER wisdom than a white male is racist. She should be eliminated!</p>
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		<title>By: Gale</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/05/15/was-it-a-mistake-to-use-interrogation-techniques-such-as-waterboarding/comment-page-6/#comment-3365</link>
		<dc:creator>Gale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;know, If Andrea and Shaunti actually care about their site, they could pop in and state a topic or opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;know, If Andrea and Shaunti actually care about their site, they could pop in and state a topic or opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Gale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a complaint that Sotomayor has a narrow focus in her opinions.  Having read the opinions from the Prop 8 ruling, I cannot see how conservatives could complain about narrow focus.  She seems to be very focussed on the law as is, not law as should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a complaint that Sotomayor has a narrow focus in her opinions.  Having read the opinions from the Prop 8 ruling, I cannot see how conservatives could complain about narrow focus.  She seems to be very focussed on the law as is, not law as should be.</p>
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		<title>By: USinUK</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/05/15/was-it-a-mistake-to-use-interrogation-techniques-such-as-waterboarding/comment-page-6/#comment-3363</link>
		<dc:creator>USinUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 12:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quote of the day ... from July 5, 2005:

&quot;I&#039;m tired of these Democrats acting like they won the election. Somebody needs to stand up and say, &quot;When you win the election, you pick the nominees. Until then, shut up! Just shut up! Just go away! Bury yourselves in your rat holes and don&#039;t come out until you win an election. When you win an election, you can put all these socialist wackos, like Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, all over the court, but until then, SHUT UP! You are really irritating me.&quot;

- Rush Limbaugh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quote of the day &#8230; from July 5, 2005:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m tired of these Democrats acting like they won the election. Somebody needs to stand up and say, &#8220;When you win the election, you pick the nominees. Until then, shut up! Just shut up! Just go away! Bury yourselves in your rat holes and don&#8217;t come out until you win an election. When you win an election, you can put all these socialist wackos, like Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, all over the court, but until then, SHUT UP! You are really irritating me.&#8221;</p>
<p>- Rush Limbaugh</p>
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