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	<description>Shaunti Feldhahn, a right-leaning columnist, and Andrea Cornell Sarvady, a left-leaning columnist, debate issues in the news.</description>
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		<title>By: Gale</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/04/17/does-a-family-need-a-collective-spiritual-life/comment-page-8/#comment-1703</link>
		<dc:creator>Gale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Archie, here&#039;s my twitch on the COBOL example.  While many people do understand that computers require programs, they have no idea what is involved in creating a program.  I have never had a non-computer person try to tell me how to write or design a program in ::mumbling:: 32 years.  Over the years, I have also learned to not make business decisions for people who will be using my programs.  In the education world, I was a student in the public system K-12, like many people.  Like you, I think it worked pretty good when I was in school.  I feel &quot;qualified&quot; to point to changes in the system since then that appear to not work.  My take on it is usually, &quot;can&#039;t you just go back to teaching the way you did when education seemed to work?&quot;  Clearly, I am not qualified to see the many ways society has changed effecting schools and study today.  Let me try to be clearer.  Programming example-most people have never written a small clea5r set of instructions in English, much less a computer language.  Education system example-most people have attended a school system.

I don&#039;t know if it was politicians that gummed up the works.  My feeling is that it started falling apart when someone started changing how basics were taught.  Remember New Math?  A generation of students who could not do simple multiplication tables in their heads.  What the heck happened to English skills?  I was taught phonetics and memorization from the first grade.  Now people cannot spell or write complete sentences.  Basically, I think the problem began with trying to treat all students &quot;the same&quot;.  Now, although it is not a recent phenomenum, instead of no child left behind, we have MOST children left behind.  There are not enough private schools to fix it.  We must fix public schools and it will take a complete overhaul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archie, here&#8217;s my twitch on the COBOL example.  While many people do understand that computers require programs, they have no idea what is involved in creating a program.  I have never had a non-computer person try to tell me how to write or design a program in ::mumbling:: 32 years.  Over the years, I have also learned to not make business decisions for people who will be using my programs.  In the education world, I was a student in the public system K-12, like many people.  Like you, I think it worked pretty good when I was in school.  I feel &#8220;qualified&#8221; to point to changes in the system since then that appear to not work.  My take on it is usually, &#8220;can&#8217;t you just go back to teaching the way you did when education seemed to work?&#8221;  Clearly, I am not qualified to see the many ways society has changed effecting schools and study today.  Let me try to be clearer.  Programming example-most people have never written a small clea5r set of instructions in English, much less a computer language.  Education system example-most people have attended a school system.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if it was politicians that gummed up the works.  My feeling is that it started falling apart when someone started changing how basics were taught.  Remember New Math?  A generation of students who could not do simple multiplication tables in their heads.  What the heck happened to English skills?  I was taught phonetics and memorization from the first grade.  Now people cannot spell or write complete sentences.  Basically, I think the problem began with trying to treat all students &#8220;the same&#8221;.  Now, although it is not a recent phenomenum, instead of no child left behind, we have MOST children left behind.  There are not enough private schools to fix it.  We must fix public schools and it will take a complete overhaul.</p>
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		<title>By: USinUK</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/04/17/does-a-family-need-a-collective-spiritual-life/comment-page-7/#comment-1699</link>
		<dc:creator>USinUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay ... does someone want to explain to me why my pirate joke is now pulled and &quot;awaiting moderation&quot;???

geez-o-pete, AJC - would you please set out some rules as to what triggers your idiotic screening so that we could at least be able to carry on a conversation without having our comments pulled ... 

especially when there&#039;s nothing illegal, immoral or fattening in the content???

wankers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay &#8230; does someone want to explain to me why my pirate joke is now pulled and &#8220;awaiting moderation&#8221;???</p>
<p>geez-o-pete, AJC &#8211; would you please set out some rules as to what triggers your idiotic screening so that we could at least be able to carry on a conversation without having our comments pulled &#8230; </p>
<p>especially when there&#8217;s nothing illegal, immoral or fattening in the content???</p>
<p>wankers.</p>
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		<title>By: Archie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/04/17/does-a-family-need-a-collective-spiritual-life/comment-page-7/#comment-1698</link>
		<dc:creator>Archie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gale the voucher-people just funded a study that said 43 percent of 1000 registered black voters favor vouchers. I don&#039;t believe it, I don&#039;t believe it because the study was funded by pro-voucher group and heck just talking to people I don&#039;t believe it. If the study were true I ought to know someone that supports vouchers here in SC that is black and I don&#039;t. The study was done here in SC. Gale I don&#039;t think there is a problem but some states score higher than others same as it ever was in education. I think politicians created a problem because when I graduated from high school every guy I hung out with went to college and I am black and I went to public school. Out of the six guys I hung out with regularly everyone of them graduated with bachelor&#039;s degree except one and now people can&#039;t even graduate high school. I don&#039;t think that happened by accident. As for my analogy I don&#039;t understand, I mean if you don&#039;t know Cobol you can&#039;t tell a Cobol programmer how to program in it. If you&#039;re not an educator you don&#039;t know certain details and details are important so you can put results into context. I am supervised by people that don&#039;t have a clue and it has caused some major problems at times because they are &quot;computer people&quot;. This past week we have been fixing something because a computer person made a bottom line decision but since he didn&#039;t understand the details more work was created.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gale the voucher-people just funded a study that said 43 percent of 1000 registered black voters favor vouchers. I don&#8217;t believe it, I don&#8217;t believe it because the study was funded by pro-voucher group and heck just talking to people I don&#8217;t believe it. If the study were true I ought to know someone that supports vouchers here in SC that is black and I don&#8217;t. The study was done here in SC. Gale I don&#8217;t think there is a problem but some states score higher than others same as it ever was in education. I think politicians created a problem because when I graduated from high school every guy I hung out with went to college and I am black and I went to public school. Out of the six guys I hung out with regularly everyone of them graduated with bachelor&#8217;s degree except one and now people can&#8217;t even graduate high school. I don&#8217;t think that happened by accident. As for my analogy I don&#8217;t understand, I mean if you don&#8217;t know Cobol you can&#8217;t tell a Cobol programmer how to program in it. If you&#8217;re not an educator you don&#8217;t know certain details and details are important so you can put results into context. I am supervised by people that don&#8217;t have a clue and it has caused some major problems at times because they are &#8220;computer people&#8221;. This past week we have been fixing something because a computer person made a bottom line decision but since he didn&#8217;t understand the details more work was created.</p>
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		<title>By: Gale</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/04/17/does-a-family-need-a-collective-spiritual-life/comment-page-7/#comment-1697</link>
		<dc:creator>Gale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Archie, the only quibble I have with your comment is related to the programmer analogy.  At least most people, even politicians have been in public schools.  Granted some of the multi-generationan political families might not have attended public school ever.  But the have been inside a school system.  Like I said, it is a quibble.  I am a computer person and your example made me twitch.  :-)  Except for that, I agree completely.  Vouchers will not correct the problem, they will just move the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archie, the only quibble I have with your comment is related to the programmer analogy.  At least most people, even politicians have been in public schools.  Granted some of the multi-generationan political families might not have attended public school ever.  But the have been inside a school system.  Like I said, it is a quibble.  I am a computer person and your example made me twitch.  <img src='http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Except for that, I agree completely.  Vouchers will not correct the problem, they will just move the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Archie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/04/17/does-a-family-need-a-collective-spiritual-life/comment-page-7/#comment-1696</link>
		<dc:creator>Archie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, okey-dokey. If we’re gonna discuss vouchers, then I have to weigh in. I’ve taught in GA public schools for twenty years, so I have some knowledge on the subject. Vouchers are a one-way ticket to ruin, both for public and private schools. Stay with me here and maybe you’ll understand.

1. Public schools have the curricula and well-trained teachers. Teachers who are substandard don’t last and generally don’t stay. We take kids at all levels and from every kind of background and try to educate them. Private schools, by their very nature, are more selective and can pick an choose who they take. Thus, they can weed out the “undesirable” element. They don’t have to update curricula or change anything they don’t want to change. Their teachers don’t have to be certified or qualified by any professional standards. Private schools also don’t pay as well, so they have a hard time keeping teachers who find themselves unable to make ends meet on their salaries. The turnover rate among private school teachers is as high as it is in public schools. 

2. Private schools succeed because they have a HIGH level of parental involvement. Look at public schools like say, Milton HS for example. Public school, successful, well-known. Parents are involved and pushing their children to succeed much like pricey private schools. Compare that to say, Tri-Cities HS. Lower socio-economic level, less parental involvement, less successful. Simple as that.

3. Vouchers will only allow for the further entrenchment of people in poverty. Those who can afford to pay the difference will use the vouchers to pull their kids out of public schools. Those who can’t will just have to take what they can get. For those who can’t transport the kids, how will vouchers help them? Plus, every time Junior fails a class or whines about a teacher, the parent(s) will simply pull the kid and move him. How long will it take until the parent(s) realize Junior is the problem- after he’s failed his way out of four, five, six schools in a couple of years? All the bouncing around won’t help the kid succeed.

4. Private schools will soon figure out that the voucher dollars matter to the budget. Many will begin lowering admissions standards and forcing teachers to put up with whoever walks in so that the school can get the money. Pretty soon, they’ll be no better than the supposedly substandard public schools. Not all will, but I bet those that are struggling to stay open will do whatever it takes to draw those voucher dollars in. How will that be any better?
All of the previous comments were made by RF and I agree with them to the point that I reposted them because they were so true. My idiot governor supports vouchers and like USinUk said, most of the republicans here in SC don&#039;t support them so it&#039;s not even a partisan issue. This issue was debated last week on a local radio program Sunday night and the guy that actually works in education said very similar things to what RF said. A non-Cobol programmer would not think of telling me how to program in Cobol but non-educators, mainly politicians with an agenda adopt ideas mainly to benefit their pocketbooks and they push education ideas onto educators. Some of the things RF said I didn&#039;t even know and I imagine the general public doesn&#039;t know either. I didn&#039;t know the turnover of teachers was high in private schools but then politicians who do know that won&#039;t tell the general public because they have an agenda unrelated to education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, okey-dokey. If we’re gonna discuss vouchers, then I have to weigh in. I’ve taught in GA public schools for twenty years, so I have some knowledge on the subject. Vouchers are a one-way ticket to ruin, both for public and private schools. Stay with me here and maybe you’ll understand.</p>
<p>1. Public schools have the curricula and well-trained teachers. Teachers who are substandard don’t last and generally don’t stay. We take kids at all levels and from every kind of background and try to educate them. Private schools, by their very nature, are more selective and can pick an choose who they take. Thus, they can weed out the “undesirable” element. They don’t have to update curricula or change anything they don’t want to change. Their teachers don’t have to be certified or qualified by any professional standards. Private schools also don’t pay as well, so they have a hard time keeping teachers who find themselves unable to make ends meet on their salaries. The turnover rate among private school teachers is as high as it is in public schools. </p>
<p>2. Private schools succeed because they have a HIGH level of parental involvement. Look at public schools like say, Milton HS for example. Public school, successful, well-known. Parents are involved and pushing their children to succeed much like pricey private schools. Compare that to say, Tri-Cities HS. Lower socio-economic level, less parental involvement, less successful. Simple as that.</p>
<p>3. Vouchers will only allow for the further entrenchment of people in poverty. Those who can afford to pay the difference will use the vouchers to pull their kids out of public schools. Those who can’t will just have to take what they can get. For those who can’t transport the kids, how will vouchers help them? Plus, every time Junior fails a class or whines about a teacher, the parent(s) will simply pull the kid and move him. How long will it take until the parent(s) realize Junior is the problem- after he’s failed his way out of four, five, six schools in a couple of years? All the bouncing around won’t help the kid succeed.</p>
<p>4. Private schools will soon figure out that the voucher dollars matter to the budget. Many will begin lowering admissions standards and forcing teachers to put up with whoever walks in so that the school can get the money. Pretty soon, they’ll be no better than the supposedly substandard public schools. Not all will, but I bet those that are struggling to stay open will do whatever it takes to draw those voucher dollars in. How will that be any better?<br />
All of the previous comments were made by RF and I agree with them to the point that I reposted them because they were so true. My idiot governor supports vouchers and like USinUk said, most of the republicans here in SC don&#8217;t support them so it&#8217;s not even a partisan issue. This issue was debated last week on a local radio program Sunday night and the guy that actually works in education said very similar things to what RF said. A non-Cobol programmer would not think of telling me how to program in Cobol but non-educators, mainly politicians with an agenda adopt ideas mainly to benefit their pocketbooks and they push education ideas onto educators. Some of the things RF said I didn&#8217;t even know and I imagine the general public doesn&#8217;t know either. I didn&#8217;t know the turnover of teachers was high in private schools but then politicians who do know that won&#8217;t tell the general public because they have an agenda unrelated to education.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyrazel</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/04/17/does-a-family-need-a-collective-spiritual-life/comment-page-7/#comment-1695</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyrazel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gale--a wally is kind of dufus and red socks means about the same.
I had never seen a wild turkey before. BIG! I thought it was an escapee from the turkey ranch--but there are no turkey growers in the neighborhood. There are lots of acorns out back and many acres of wood.

Are you sure you saw a real turkey and not some Cobb Co. sasquatch in a turkey suit pretending to be a turkey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gale&#8211;a wally is kind of dufus and red socks means about the same.<br />
I had never seen a wild turkey before. BIG! I thought it was an escapee from the turkey ranch&#8211;but there are no turkey growers in the neighborhood. There are lots of acorns out back and many acres of wood.</p>
<p>Are you sure you saw a real turkey and not some Cobb Co. sasquatch in a turkey suit pretending to be a turkey?</p>
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		<title>By: Gale</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/04/17/does-a-family-need-a-collective-spiritual-life/comment-page-7/#comment-1694</link>
		<dc:creator>Gale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have wild turkeys in GA.  They are big and not nearly as dumb as their domesticated cousins.  Although, I did see one attacking a crome car bumper one day.  I get the Wally connection to Australia.  Google thinks I want baseball stuff for red socks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have wild turkeys in GA.  They are big and not nearly as dumb as their domesticated cousins.  Although, I did see one attacking a crome car bumper one day.  I get the Wally connection to Australia.  Google thinks I want baseball stuff for red socks.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyrazel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyrazel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gale we can all wear white shoes in honor of the flakes.
There was snow up in the mts. recently but this is a big-city event.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gale we can all wear white shoes in honor of the flakes.<br />
There was snow up in the mts. recently but this is a big-city event.</p>
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		<title>By: Gandalf, the White! (AKA Big Wally)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/woman/2009/04/17/does-a-family-need-a-collective-spiritual-life/comment-page-7/#comment-1692</link>
		<dc:creator>Gandalf, the White! (AKA Big Wally)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should hold that snowplow rodeo up in PALIN country! Everyone could see Russia and eat BBQ Moose!</description>
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		<title>By: Lyrazel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyrazel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They say they invented moonpies up here. I say that&#039;s crap! O we had a wild turkey in our yard last week. Big fellow...I never realized how big wild turkeys actually are--maybe I ought to put out another bird feeder...in GA we just got chickadees...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They say they invented moonpies up here. I say that&#8217;s crap! O we had a wild turkey in our yard last week. Big fellow&#8230;I never realized how big wild turkeys actually are&#8211;maybe I ought to put out another bird feeder&#8230;in GA we just got chickadees&#8230;</p>
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