Spurrier, Richt still disagree over how to tally division standings

DESTIN, Fla. — South Carolina football coach Steve Spurrier continues to pitch his proposal to count only intra-division games in deciding the SEC East and SEC West champions.

That way, Spurrier said, “you’d have a true division champion to play the other division champion” in the SEC title game.

Spurrier raised the idea after his Gamecocks went undefeated against SEC East opponents last season, but finished second behind Georgia in the division because of two losses to SEC West foes.

Spurrier said several SEC coaches support his proposal, which was discussed on the first day of the league’s annual spring meetings here. But the proposal seems an extreme longshot at best.

“I think that will be brought to the table for athletic directors to think about,” SEC commissioner Mike Slive said. But asked his opinion of the proposal, Slive said: “I think it’s hard for me to think about a conference game that doesn’t count.”

Georgia coach Mark Richt good-naturedly rejected Spurrier’s proposal.

“I think every man has a right to his opinion,” Richt said. “If it gets changed, then good for him, I guess, this year. I don’t know if he’d feel that way every year, but [based on last season] he’d probably feel good about it.

“I don’t think it’s going to change. I’ve always said, for me personally, tell me what the rules are at the beginning of the year and let’s go play by them.”

The current system penalizes in the SEC East standings the teams that play the stronger cross-division opponents, Spurrier argued, citing Tennessee’s annual game against Alabama.

LSU coach Les Miles previously has agreed with Spurrier’s position. But Alabama coach Nick Saban said that under Spurrier’s proposal, “then we’re really not an SEC. We’re really just an East and a West. So why would we even play the games?”

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RealDawg

May 30th, 2012
12:55 am

Let it go. USC has averaged 5 losses a year since 2000. Changing the rules will not make you relevant. Winning will.

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birddawg92

May 30th, 2012
12:56 am

It’s a silly proposal. What if an SECE or -W team goes 5-1 in its division but loses the other 2 cross-division games, while the team in defeated in its division WINS the rest of its games? Are you seriously going to make a 5-3 conference record team vs. a 7-1 conference record team division champ? Absurd. SOS is just PO’d that even he can’t escape the Chicken Curse. We should’ve beaten ‘em last year anyhow.

Mountain Dawg

May 30th, 2012
5:38 am

All it will take is for the chickens to lose to a couple of East teams and you won’t hear any more whining from the Head Chicken.

Auburn Grad

May 30th, 2012
6:58 am

Any other leagues that only count Division games; NFL, NBA, MLB, NCAA?

FLDawg

May 30th, 2012
7:05 am

Just allow Couch Superior Vandy game to count as an SEC West opponet.
This kinda of move would make the SEC East look like a panzy.

PapaDawg

May 30th, 2012
7:10 am

I can’t believe I’m agreeing withn Saban on something. Why didn’t spurrier bring this up while he was at Fla. I think the OLD ball coach is showing signs of early dementia.

Alphare

May 30th, 2012
7:12 am

I am not sure I definitely like CSS’s idea, but I am definitely against a #5 ranked team vs the #1 ranked team for SEC Champ.

Last year, the best ranked SEC teams are: LSU/BAMA/ARK/USC/UGA.

Why should #5 UGA play #1 LSU for SEC Champ? That’s just idiotic!

Hairy Dawg

May 30th, 2012
7:15 am

That stupid Visor Boy just not liking that Dawgs own East. We make his team pay this year by beating chickens into poop. Coach Richt knows how Dawgs best and will expose Stevie Wonder as long in tooth hack he is. USC got lucky to Dome for once and that was LAST time they ever get there cause Dawgs have best porgram.

Go Dawgs!

Beast from the East

May 30th, 2012
7:22 am

I’m with Muschamp, Saban and Richt on this one. All conference games should count. Spurrier Is making himself look like a whiner on this one. Take care of business against a mediocre Auburn team last year and this would never have been brought up by him. Sour grapes from the Head Ball Coach.

Alphare

May 30th, 2012
7:36 am

If we count other division team as half, while inner division as 1. It should acchieve what CSS wants and also cover Saban/Richt/Susch’s concern.

RJ

May 30th, 2012
7:37 am

The comparison of Reggie’s 50 game win percent vs Murray’s so far 37 game win percent is a poor comparison. See how this year pans out which I believe will make believers of true Dawg fans. Either way it’s on Murray and the players around him to have a great all around year.

sportzfan

May 30th, 2012
7:41 am

@Hairy Dawg & Mountain Dawg, Spurrier hasn’t lost to a SEC East team in two years, so how is it that the Dawgs are the power of the East?
Of course Saban doesn’t agree with Spurrier, because the Tide plays Tenn. every year and the Vols have been down for a while. LSU & Vandy both agree with Spurrier and of course the weaker teams in West are not speaking up because they want their East games to count because the competition is weaker than their West schedule.
The SEC East needs to rotate all teams in West and not be locked in with any certain team…..as in UGA & Auburn, Tenn & Alabama…..I can assure you Dooley would like to rotate away from Alabama.

Paladawg

May 30th, 2012
7:46 am

Well, there you go again. Waaa, waaa, waaa. If you can’t get your way, change the rules.

Paul in NH

May 30th, 2012
7:56 am

I agree with Richt et al on this one. However, if and when the SEC goes to 16 teams things will really get interesting. They will likely stay with 8 games (have to schedule the OOC wins to get as many teams in bowl games as possible), meaning 7 games in Division and 1 out of Division. That’s when Spurrier may get some company (DD?) asking for only Division games to count.

bubba4dawgs

May 30th, 2012
7:57 am

Visor Boy knows he can rule the East by beating the likes of UGA, Tenn and Florida. He wouldn’t have to worry about the strength of the SEC in Alabama, LSU and Arkansas. He believes he can consistently win the weaker East. This should entice UGA, Fla. and Tenn. to gear up for him. It seems his confidence over them is overwhelming! It’s time the weak 3 show him how strong they can be! GO DAWGS!!

BKbroila

May 30th, 2012
8:00 am

SPURRRRRRIIIIIIEEEEERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU THINK VISORS ARE COOOOOOOOOOLLLL??????

JB

May 30th, 2012
8:13 am

Can someone get SS some cheese to go with that whine? Sheeesh!

HBTD!!!

Braddawg

May 30th, 2012
8:17 am

USC held it’s own destiny until it lost to many games and lost the tie breaker to UGA. National Rankings have no bearing on who plays in the SEC Championship.

On another note, Alabama didn’t even get to play in the SEC Championship Game, and we all know when that happens, You can’t play in the NCG.

gdawginkalamazoo

May 30th, 2012
8:19 am

So a “quality loss” won’t count anymore?

Bogey

May 30th, 2012
8:27 am

Come on Steve. You’ve had Arkansas as your permanent West Division opponent while Fla had LSU, Tenn had Alabama and Ga had Auburn. Now you will give up Arkansas-they will play Missouri as permanent cross division rival–and pick up Texas A&M. Advantage: South Carolina. Quit crying and play the games.

Alphare

May 30th, 2012
8:30 am

CSS sees a problem, and he wants to fix it. Nothing wrong there.

Why would a #5 ranked conference team play with the #1 ranked conference team for the conference champ? The #5 ranked team should have no business in it.

If you even fail to see a problem there, don’t ridicule CSS, ridicule yourself instead.

Tony

May 30th, 2012
8:35 am

If Spurrier and Garcia dont lose to a HORRIBLE Auburn team this year would we even be having this discussion? I mean South Carolina Fans sak up you lost the east quit bitching and move on. You will not win the east anytime soon either.

Boat

May 30th, 2012
8:37 am

Do you think Spurrier would be pushing this if they’d handled their business against a mediocre Auburn team in Columbia?

Boat

May 30th, 2012
8:38 am

Sorry, Tony. Didn’t notice you made the exact same point just before me. Great minds think alike.

Gulf Shores Dawg

May 30th, 2012
9:00 am

Spurrier, want some cheese with that whine, crybaby…

Beast from the East

May 30th, 2012
9:02 am

Alpharetta,
The conference isn’t decided by rankings. It’s decided by wins and losses within the conference. There give are no official rankings within a conference. Just standings based on your conference record. I still think all conference games should count toward those standings. Maybe they can give the division games more weight???

flo-ri-duh

May 30th, 2012
9:04 am

Spurrier is always whining. Just win your games, quit making excuses, and shut up! If the
Game Crocks had beat a mediocre Auburn team last year they wouldn’t be crying now. Besides they beat UGA last year on just plain LUCK. UGA had over 100 yards more offense. This year UGA is going o crush Spurrier and he will whine again. Perhaps it is time for the OLD ball coach to consider retirement to the Ole’ horse pasture.

UA Grad

May 30th, 2012
9:07 am

I deeply respect Coach Spurrier as the second greatest SEC football coach, but I don’t like the way he does business or his style. Nut up and win your games. Ga had the better SEC record, and they went to the Dome. Sure, they had an easier schedule, but that was just the luck of the draw. Quit the whining. Beat Auburn and you were there. Period.

flo-ri-duh

May 30th, 2012
9:08 am

Every game played between SEC teams has always counted since the very beginning of the SEC and now Spurrier wants to change the rules. I have a better idea. Move Spurrier to the west division and THEN count only division games. What excuse would he come up with then?

RxDawg

May 30th, 2012
9:10 am

“I think it’s hard for me to think about a conference game that doesn’t count.”

Honestly what else is there to say about this stupid topic? It will turn some of our SEC games into non conference games…. no No NO

Old Dawg

May 30th, 2012
9:11 am

I agree with Saban, Muschamp and Richt, it’s a conference schedule, not a division schedule, that decides a division champ.

How simple can it get?

Shocker

May 30th, 2012
9:12 am

There is a reason that Steve Spurrier was just voted the most hated coach of all time. Not sure who put together the poll but it was shown on Sportscenter and Spurrier was the winner by far. What a whiny cry baby

flo-ri-duh

May 30th, 2012
9:12 am

Isn’t Spurrier just admitting he can’t win the east division under the current rules? So, he is going to take his marbles and go home….. crying all the way.

Fred Sanford

May 30th, 2012
9:13 am

Oh, my heart. It must be the big one, I’m coming to see you Alice. I actually agree with Saban: “then we’re really not an SEC. We’re really just an East and a West. So why would we even play the games?”

flo-ri-duh

May 30th, 2012
9:16 am

Hopefully Vandy will kick Spurrier’s butt this year – and maybe Kentucky. He deserted Florida for a failed turn at the NFL and then went back to coach at a competitor. He DESERVES to lose.

flo-ri-duh

May 30th, 2012
9:19 am

It’s this Obama culture – everyone is a victim. Sorry I don’t buy it. Spurrier quit playing the victim card and play by the same rules EVERYONE else plays by. Love seeing the OLD ball coach squirm. Must be that red hair dye #2 soaking in to his brain.

cdpridg

May 30th, 2012
9:22 am

Stevie boy just needs to put a sock in it…what a poor loser! This has been the format for 20 yrs. Give Stevie a paccie….for decades until last year Auburn has always been stronger than Arkansas…..how does Stevie feel about that. What a moron he obviously is.

bucket

May 30th, 2012
9:24 am

@ Alphare – since you want to go by rankings I guess you were screaming for UGA to be there in 2007 when UGA ended the season as the #1 ranked SEC team?

Nick

May 30th, 2012
9:26 am

Schedules change and rotate. Teams are up and down. This would not and should not work out every single year. There was a time when Alabama was really bad. There was a time when LSU was bad. With the exception of the perennial cellar dwellers, all the teams that are currently the tops or even in the middle have had down years. And Saban is right, if they don’t count, why play them at all? The fact remains, had USC played in the Dome that night, they’d have gotten wallopped too. Probably worse!

Dawg Bite

May 30th, 2012
9:26 am

Of course all conference games should count. But whoever made the suggestion…… one full game in your division, one-half for a win in other division, maybe not a bad idea? It all goes back to the fact you need to win all of your games period, or the most. Do not lose to a bad team in the other division…USC did and it cost them. SS, quit trying to change the rules to cover your failings of last season!

Alphare

May 30th, 2012
9:26 am

Beast,

“The conference isn’t decided by rankings. It’s decided by wins and losses within the conference.”

Why cannot that be change if it doesn’t make sense, I am sure some Pro formats only count division games instead of entire conference games.

Also, even if you count conference games, there is different way to count them, such as 1/2 or 1/3 instead of 1 for cross-division games.

USC beat UGA head-on last season, have the same number of wins-losses, and ranked higher than UGA. The fact that UGA was selected tells me the rule should be changed. That’s CSS’s point.

jonk

May 30th, 2012
9:29 am

I don’t know what to say Steheeve Spurriher might as well just play with all D2 schools and get all the wins for Sec east, whiny old fart.

Buckeye

May 30th, 2012
9:37 am

This confirms the dogs play in the SEC!SEC! LEAST!

JB

May 30th, 2012
9:40 am

Enter your comments here Richt won’t say it, he has to much class, but Steve, you control your wins. Just win them and quit whining…..Just like Saban said in 2007 ” you gotta win the conference to play in the NC…..Then last year he thought you didn’t. Spurrier, line up and win, the rest takes care of itself.

bucket

May 30th, 2012
9:43 am

With all the changes that are coming in college football this entire discussion may be pointless on the national scene. If the changes are instituted the way the SEC wants, then why would they want to continue playing the SECCG? Unless the SEC caves and agrees with the format of only conference champions playing in the national playoff, then I see no reason to continue playing in the SECCG. Actually, the SECCG is already meaningless if you take last year into account. What advantage did LSU gain by playing in the SECCG? No one exalts them as winning the SEC because they lost to a conference team that didn’t play in the SECCG. If anything Alabama gained an advantage by not playing an extra game.

CSS has a point in that not all SEC teams play a common schedule. However, I doubt CSS would be complaining if the shoe were on the other foot, he is just trying to yank on CMR’s chain. The fact of the matter is that SCU had a mulligan with the Arkansas game because of the tie-breaker over UGA. The SEC East title came down to a common opponent from the SEC West that both UGA and SCU played @ home. You can’t get anymore even a chance than that! SCU lost at home to a very beatable Auburn team and UGA beat the Tigers soundly. Game over.

Dawg Haus

May 30th, 2012
9:50 am

Stevie, all you had to do was beat Auburn, a team that Georgia annihilated, to get into the Dome.

bucket

May 30th, 2012
9:51 am

“The fact that UGA was selected tells me the rule should be changed. That’s CSS’s point.” Uh, you don’t get selected to play in a conference championship game. That is something that a team has to earn by their play on the field. UGA had a better won/loss record in-conference than South Carolina. “Selected” is what happens with the BCSCG and bowl games.

Beast from the East

May 30th, 2012
9:59 am

Alphare,
Once again, it’s not rankings. While UGA and USC had the same same win/loss total, UGA had the better conference record. One of their losses was OOC. As I stated earlier (along with several others), if USC had taken care of business against Auburn then we wouldn’t have heard a peep out of SOS.

Gary

May 30th, 2012
10:02 am

With that approach there is a good chance that an SEC champion would not make the playoffs if it takes conference champions in the top 6. Say USC wins the east but looses to Bama and LSU in the process. In a rematch USC beats LSU at the SEC championship game. USC would probably be ranked 8 or 9 with 2 losses behind a slew of 1 loss teams. No playoff game for the SEC champ. Very short sighted of the ball coach, but I am guessing he only has a year or two left to care before he finally retires to spend more time at Agusta National.