Raises coming for UGA football coaches Mark Richt, Todd Grantham
Georgia is expected to step up with more years and more money to keep Mark Richt and Todd Grantham together to lead the Bulldogs' football program.
ATHENS – The Georgia Athletic Association end-of-the-year board meeting is scheduled to get started tomorrow morning at the Ritz Carlton Lodge on Lake Oconee. Actually, current and emeritus members will gather there to socialize tonight, then commence with business first thing in the morning.
And I’m expecting a lot of business to be conducted. UGA so far has offered only a very vague agenda for the meeting, which lists things like “AD’s Report,” “New Projects” and “Financial Update” and the like. But the most important item of business isn’t spelled out there and we all know that it’s going to take place (likely during AD’s report).
Georgia is expected to finally reveal the details of football coach Mark Richt’s new five-year contract. Legal representatives for both Richt and the university have been dickering over the final form of the new deal for months, going back to the end of the regular season last December. We know from Georgia’s announcement back in January that Richt’s new deal takes him through the 2016 season, but little beyond that.
What we don’t know are the particulars such as how much of a raise, if any, Richt is to receive, and what the terms and conditions of any buy-out clauses might entail. Those are the truly important details. Georgia hasn’t shared any of that so far, despite numerous freedom of information requests for copies of any drafts or memos of understanding, which are subject to state open-records laws. AD Greg McGarity says all documents remain in the hands of the respective lawyers, and therefore remain protected, and that he’ll first share the details therein with the members of the board on Thursday.
My guess is that Richt will receive a modest pay increase to at least keep his place among SEC coaches. That is behind national championship holders such as Nick Saban ($5.32 million), Les Miles ($3.6), Gene Chizik ($3.5) and Steve Spurrier ($3.3), but get ahead of less experienced and less successful coaches such as Florida’s Will Muschamp ($3.2). Bobby Petrino was making $3.6 million at Arkansas but that little market adjustment he took care of himself.
Not including outside sources, Richt currently earns about $2.9 million annually in UGA-arranged income. Look for that to go up over $3 million. Longevity and performance bonuses allow Richt to earn much more than that. . . .
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It’s unclear whether or not Todd Grantham’s new deal will be included in this week’s proceedings. The third-year defensive coordinator’s contract has also been agreed to in principle for quite some time. We know he’ll have a new three-year deal that will expire after the 2014 season. But he, too, is probably looking at a substantial pay increase.
This time last year, Grantham was the second-highest paid defensive coordinator in America at $752,000 a year. At the moment, he’s not even the second-highest paid DC in the SEC.
Alabama’s Kirby Smart got a raise to $950,000 a year, Brian VanGorder left the Atlanta Falcons and joined Auburn for $850,000 per year and Sal Sunseri got $800,000 to leave Alabama and become Tennessee’s defensive chief. Meanwhile, LSU defensive coordinator John Chavis is awaiting approval from that school’s trustees that will pay him $900,000 this year and $1.1 and $1.3 million in the subsequent two years, an average of $1.1 million.
Based on that hierarchy, look for Grantham to fall in somewhere between $800,000 and $850,000 per year. Under his leadership this past season, the Bulldogs finished fifth in the nation in total defense (277.21 ypg). That was impressive, but Alabama, LSU and South Carolina were one, two and three in that category. Georgia was 23rd in points allowed, well behind those other teams.
More important for Georgia — or Georgia fans, as the case may be — is what Grantham’s buyout clause will look like. If it stays pretty much the same as his previous contract, which is UGA’s only multiyear deal for an assistant, Grantham would incur no penalty for leaving for a head coaching job or one as an NFL defensive coordinator. But he’ll likely have to pay Georgia for any remaining years to leave for what could be perceived as a lateral move.
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The identity of Georgia’s new gymnastics coach is expected to be revealed, if not at the board meeting then sometime before the end of this week. It has been widely speculated that McGarity and senior associate Carla Williams have settled on Danna Durante, pending background checks. Durante is the current head coach at Cal and a reknowned balance beam expert. Durante, 39, has been head coach at Cal only one year. She was a longtime assistant at Nebraska and Washington before that and was a gymnast at Arizona State, earning a bunch of 10s on the balance beam.
Durante, if that’s indeed who it is, will have the unenviable task of following Jay Clark, who unceremoniously resigned a couple of weeks ago after three mostly disappointing years as head coach.
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Other business expected to be conducted at the board meeting will be a vote to make substantial improvements at Foley Field, the Bulldogs’ baseball stadium. First and foremost, that facility needs an elevator up to the press box and other handicap-access accommodations. Georgia does, after all, have two former players who are in wheelchairs. And the stadium has been far surpassed in recent years by others in the SEC.
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I’ve fielded a lot of questions lately about Georgia baseball coach David Perno and whether his future is in question. The Bulldogs are stumbling here at the end of the season. They face elimination against Auburn tonight in the SEC tournament, which would likely end any thought of an NCAA tournament bid. But Perno has led the Bulldogs to three of the school’s six College World Series appearances, got hit with some unfortunate injuries this season and his mother is not well.
All of which is to say I just don’t think UGA will take any action. But it’s doubtful Perno’s contract, currently set to expire after the 2014 season, will be extended. More than likely the Bulldogs will stand pat and look for improvement next season.
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I expect there will be a good bid of bragging on UGA’s part about the athletic department’s accomplishments in 2011-12. The Bulldogs, as we learned Wednesday, finished second in the SEC’s all-sports competition, sponsored by Halifax Media Group. Florida, as one might suspect, finished first.
Highlighting the year for Georgia was an Eastern Division championship in football, an SEC title in women’s swimming and diving, an SEC tournament title by men’s tennis and several top fives across the board. Also, the 533 UGA student-athletes earned a cumulative GPA of 3.05 for the spring semester of 2012, including 17 with 4.0s and 133 with 3.50 or better. Women’s gymnastics led all sports with an overall GPA of 3.52.
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At least that’s what I think. Tim Tucker, the AJC’s astute sports business reporter and part-time UGA beat guy, will cover the actual meetings while I report on the NCAA tennis tournament. But check back right here for updates all day Thursday. I’m sure even more news than I’ve mentioned here will come out.
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Focus on the Family
May 23rd, 2012
2:36 pm
- and teachers are being laid off left and right.
Big Wally Butts
May 23rd, 2012
2:42 pm
Teachers don’t provide an income to the university and are a dime a dozen. Not saying that this is the correct priority but it is a fact of life.
old dog
May 23rd, 2012
2:43 pm
Hey….get some o-linemen and really earn it please, coach R!!!!
Voice of Reason
May 23rd, 2012
2:45 pm
I mean, what a deal these guys have. Mediocre yeah after year, run talent filled squads into the ground and then get a raise. Come on man. If they cant get it together with the weak schedule they have this year, they are never going to do it.
Buckeye
May 23rd, 2012
2:47 pm
Damn 1%ers.
And, The UGA...
May 23rd, 2012
2:49 pm
…does NOT pay the coaches salaries, they are paid by the athletic foundation…
Andrew Garvin
May 23rd, 2012
2:51 pm
So that’s one reason why my tuition is going up 25%…
I’d say give it to Grantham, but Richt has yet to really prove he deserves it in my eyes.
And...
May 23rd, 2012
2:51 pm
…the athletic foundation is NOT part of The UGA, rather, it is a PRIVATE foundation that operates to benefit The UGA and its athletic teams…
old dog
May 23rd, 2012
2:52 pm
@focus,
I come from a family of teachers and appreciate and respect them. However, very few could coach a Division I football team. They could go through the ranks, work for every small school getting paid nothing and recruiting all week and riding the bus to games. Then the few with success could gradually work their way up! Point: it may look glamerous but it ain’t easy!!!
Destin Dawg
May 23rd, 2012
2:54 pm
PAY Todd Grantham !!! he’s the MAN… Junkyard Dawg defense only getting better.. going up hill in Athens !!!
Cassius
May 23rd, 2012
2:57 pm
As salaries increase, so will the price of tickets!!
fedup_11
May 23rd, 2012
3:01 pm
Focus on the family needs a focus on reality. As stated by others, these coaches are key to bringing in millions each year. Teachers, not so much. Mostly, these teachers create Marxists graduates, imo. Rest easy knowing all benefit from the AD achievements. College is a business and a very lucrative side of the business IS the AD. Be thankful and respectful for what the coaches do for the U. .
old dog
May 23rd, 2012
3:03 pm
Get Friend (and I think he can) to get the o-line in the upper level of the SEC…..it sure as heck is NOT right now! Then, maybe HE will get a raise, and maybe we will get to the next level!
From Chip - To Chip
May 23rd, 2012
3:06 pm
Hey Chip – I am not positive, but I thought Coach Perno’s signed a new contract after the 2008 CWS campaign – Is his contract for 5 years (expires June 30, 2013) – $ 425K per year plus incentives.
http://blog.al.com/bn/2010/05/sec_baseball_coaches_contracts.html
If I am correct, that would leave him with 1 year on his deal. I think that is a big difference, considering that Mr. McGarity has stated “I judge my Head Coaches by SEC and National Championships” – what else can he do, but make a change
Right now we are hoping they make a regional tournament this year, but it looks doubtful. That being the case, I think Coach Perno needs to move on and we need a Head Coach who can make changes that will get us back in contention in the SEC and hopefully at a National level – Thoughts? – Thanks
jo
May 23rd, 2012
3:10 pm
Has Richt and his crew won anything of significance to be given raises? Along those lines, has anyone at UGA won anything of significance since 1980? Teacher furloughs, staff cutbacks, tuition hikes, cuts to HOPE, yet the football coaches will get a raise…beautiful.
Todd Grantham
May 23rd, 2012
3:10 pm
I’m ready to kick some &^%!!
College Sports - MAKE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
May 23rd, 2012
3:13 pm
FYI – the Geology Department does not exist with out the 104 MM DOLLARS the football program brings in a year. Sure there are layoffs and cutbacks, our economy is in the tank – but without sports, it would be ugly
VinnyD
May 23rd, 2012
3:17 pm
Janitors make work hard too and provide a valuable service, however they do not get paid the big bucks for a reason. Welcome to reality/ business school. My wife is a teacher but there are a lot more people that can do what she does. There are a lot less people who can coach a big time team or hit home runs, dunk basketballs. Supply and demand.
old dog
May 23rd, 2012
3:19 pm
@VinnyD,
Be careful….the truth may hurt some of these folks………
Soapbox
May 23rd, 2012
3:19 pm
I couldn’t help but to laugh at the word “dickering”. Haven’t seen that word used for “bickering” for a long while.
Jason
May 23rd, 2012
3:20 pm
Richt is the Tommy Tuberville of the East. He has a bad season once in a blue moon but usually has an above average respectable season. But never ever is able to get that last little bit that seperates champions from runner ups. He will have a respectable win-loss percentage over the course of his career but will never have an undefeated season. If championships were awarded for best record over the course of a decade, Richt would be in good shape, but that’s not how football works.
If UGA wants a championship, they’re going to have to get a coach with that extra little something. But if the dawgs simply want to have a respectable showing year after year with only one bad year every decade or so, you can’t go wrong with Richt. Of course there is a risk involved. Replace Richt with the wrong coach and you end up as the next Tennessee (where Fulmer at least did win a championship before being run off).
BulldogBen
May 23rd, 2012
3:21 pm
It is what it is. This just ratchets up the pressure. The fan base is already voting with their wallets as season tickets have YET to sell out along with single game tickets available.
Having tix available almost in June would’ve been unfathomable in the past. It’s clear people aren’t buying the run from last year. Anything short of an SEC title this year with our schedule will be a disappointment.
U.S.S.R.
May 23rd, 2012
3:21 pm
Marxist graduates from UGA ?
daflava
May 23rd, 2012
3:23 pm
I love how saint richt and his apostles are all continuing to get raises every year because the school feels they have to keep up with all of the other successful coaches who earned their raises with SEC and national championships!
Kinda like Vandy getting all that money every year just for being in the SEC even though they don’t win anything……….wait…………that’s georgia too.
Nevermind…………
Gettin his money
May 23rd, 2012
3:25 pm
Richt and his staff is getting their money before Adams leaves. Once Adams is gone, that entire coaching staff will be out the door with him. Adams is the only reason why Richt and his staff is still at UGA.
@jo
May 23rd, 2012
3:31 pm
Women’s Gymnastics has six titles……..the only winning thing coming out of UGA.
Captain
May 23rd, 2012
3:31 pm
Using Greg McGarity’s own criteria for evaluating the success of Head Coaches within the Georgia Athletic Department, Perno will be gone. Otherwise, McGarity has invalidated himself as a leader when taking into account the recent firing of Jay Clark for his inability to take the gymnastics program to championship level. While Perno may have gone to Omaha three times, that last visit is but a distant memory and the last three years have been medicore at best and nowhere near bordering on championship calibre. You do realize he has a losing record in the SEC, which according to McGarity is how he is judged primarily. Then there’s the matter of women’s golf coach Kelly Hester. The women’s golf program is sinking like a concrete block thrown off the Thomas St bridge into the N Oconee.
If McGarity won’t make the call on dismissing Perno hopefully University President “Coach” Mike Adams will.
reality
May 23rd, 2012
3:37 pm
How much did the PRIVATE Athletic Association donate to the PUBLIC University of Georgia last year? The answer would surprise the “too much for athletics” crowd.
What a ya got
May 23rd, 2012
3:38 pm
$2.9 million is not enough to
truly study the game of football,
the trends,
and what’s going on.
oh no
May 23rd, 2012
3:39 pm
As a Hartman Fund contributor/season ticket holder, I was offered another season ticket a few days ago. Are sales that bad?
GTBob
May 23rd, 2012
3:49 pm
Well if anybody deserved a raise, it’s Mark Richt. UGA has really been on fire the past few years.
go-BRAVOS
May 23rd, 2012
3:50 pm
A big UGA fan but what exactly has CMR done to deserve a raise? The past 4 years have seen the Dawgs regress and winning 10 games last years is irrelevant when you look at the schedule they played. I like CMR and hope he can turn things around but I don’t think he will ever bring a NC to UGA. He is just doesn’t get the most out of his players and to often loses to lesser quality teams/coaches. UGA=Braves=Hawks=Falcons, I guess it’s just a Georgia thing.
Go Dawgs!
Go Braves!
Taylor Wooten
May 23rd, 2012
4:04 pm
Perno sucks.
Ask around. Its well known in baseball circles.
UGADawg83
May 23rd, 2012
4:09 pm
@jo-Gymnastics has ten national championships–at least get your facts right before you pop off.
GTBob-On fire enough to burn yall’s butt thats for sure. Your best team in ten years (though tainted and stripped of its title) failed to beat one of our worst.
To all the Richt Bashers-There are 117 FBS schools; being in the Top 25 is not mediocrity.
mcdaviddawg
May 23rd, 2012
4:10 pm
Richt is costing us 25 to 30 mil in giving. We have fallen way behind Fl, LSU and Alabana. Not many years ago we were in the top 5 in the nation year after year. So let’s give him a big raise out of our dimishing returns. Great job Richt.
jimmy
May 23rd, 2012
4:11 pm
And there is GTBlob… Trolling as usual.
Tucker
May 23rd, 2012
4:15 pm
If only one person is underpaid in this state, it has to be CMR.Raise ticket prices through the roof. Jack up student activity fees. Tax the general public. Divert funds from the Corrections Department. Do whatever is necessary to get this done.
Gary
May 23rd, 2012
4:15 pm
I am shocked by the constant Ricth bashing from “fans”. I guess people don’t really remember the Bulldogs history. I have never seen a coach at Georgia show up consistantly with such good football teams. We had one really bad year under Richt and a few recent seasons where we lost a couple of games we shouldn’t, but with exception to (Florida who has been manhandling Georgia since 89) RIcht has had the better of most SEC teams and a pretty good out of conference record. If you looks at the SEC, Auburn was a one and done because they had their H Walker for a year. LSU and Bama have both taken advantage of Sabans talent and he will not be coaching at Georgia any time soon. The year we really had a title shot we got killed with injuries. The year Les got his Richt could have done the same thing but the voters said no SEC no NC (funny how that did not apply to Bama last year?). The fact is Georgia fans leave a lot more games smiling than we ever did under any other coach except when we had the HW monster under Dooley, but that was just 3 years. These days we own Tech, we don’t loose to Tennessee very often, Kentucky and Vandy rarely ever are a threat, we go back and forth with Auburn, SC has only really had the last two years but that will not last, and Florida will be Florida. You crystal trophy or nothing people are some miserable individuals. SEC’s and Sugar Bowl wins were unheard of in the late 80’s and 90’s. Now that is not only the expectation, but a dissappointment? Maybe we need to go back to the days when USC, Ohio State, FSU and Miami were the only teams in the NC conversation. Just cause your neighbor can afoord a big new car doesn’t mean you deserve one. Based on my history with Georgia I am very happy to sit in that stadium and support this coach. Everyone deserves some slack after success. Even Bama will fall again. Remember the mighty Tennessee. Remember when Auburn owned Bama. When Marcus leaves SC they are done. One of these days things are going to click and we will have the right players with the right schedule and our opportunity may come. You have to realize, it is pretty damn hard to win a National Championship when you keep having to play the teams favored to win the NC. Based on the expectations I read here, 100 coaches should be fired every year and every school should be trying to haire Saban. Only Texas can afford to steal him.
barneyfife
May 23rd, 2012
4:18 pm
Einstein was right about insanity. As a once proud graduate of UGA, I am embarrassed by the bowing at the Shrine of Mediocrity. We are paying MILLIONS for a lackluster result year after year. I love Coach Richt as a man, but in the private sector, he would have been fired about 4 years ago. And we reward him?
Kids with 4.0 GPAs and stellar resumes can’t get into UGA, lower division classes have hundreds of kids in them, many classes taught by grad assistants who can’t speak English, not much in the way of faculty mentoring to the masses, thus kids slipping through the cracks just by the sheer size of the Athens behemoth. And a mediocre football product where some are paid obscene amounts of $$$ to produce reigns supreme. I hate to say it about my Alma Mater, but UGA- you ain’t all that. You all in Athens need to get over yourselves.
Gary
May 23rd, 2012
4:18 pm
Hey GTBob could you tell someone at Tech to finish that awful thing on tenth street that looks the old fashion oven top foil popcorn popper.
ozzfest
May 23rd, 2012
4:22 pm
DID WE SCHEDULE A QUALITY NON-CONFERENCE OPPONENT?….THAT IS ALL I CARE ABOUT.
WHATTA YOU GOT GREG (KING WIMP)?
RTR22
May 23rd, 2012
4:30 pm
By all means possible keep CMR….
Name Required
May 23rd, 2012
4:30 pm
I work for the USG and I have not had a raise in 5 years. I was furloughed a year or so ago and furloughed again this year. I wish I was a coach because when I did get a raise it was only 1 percent or a huge 2 percent. I am one of those employees who actually helps educate our students after all this is an academic driven job, is it not?
Spanky
May 23rd, 2012
4:30 pm
Hey Bob, any Tech raises going out?..No?…that’s what I thought, now go bother someone else!
tide roll
May 23rd, 2012
4:32 pm
It worked Richt. You know what gets McGarity and those other rednecks that make what UGA is today hot! No matter that you lose to Central Fla. Colorado and Mich St. Just keep bringing in those white private school offensive linemen. Yeah Baby. The Georgia Way. 31 years and counting. Who cares.”Everybody. Listen up. WE GOT RAISES ANYWAY!” What a program. Sheesh
tide roll
May 23rd, 2012
4:33 pm
What a joke of a program.
jo
May 23rd, 2012
4:37 pm
LOL, there’s always women’s gymnastics! They do draw more than the basketball team to Stegman at least.
jo
May 23rd, 2012
4:37 pm
Other than when Kentucky comes to town!
Gary
May 23rd, 2012
4:38 pm
Barneyfly – We could let him go and be Tennessee, Mississippi State, or Ole Miss, overnight. You don’t think they would want our success and coach. Lets see what Will does with all his Florida Talent. What I need from Richt this year. Spit SC and Florida (just win one). Beat everyone else. Try to give us four quarters at the SEC (if we make it) instead of two and loose to the next National Champ – Bama. Then win your bowl game. If that is mediocre I feel sorry for the other 90 programs that do not have a chance at that kind of year. I also pitty any Georgia fan who cannot enjoy that.
ole yeller
May 23rd, 2012
4:39 pm
Coach Friend will get the job done. He has more talent to work with than any other coach has had at UGA in a while. Everyone is keeping a eye on the “O” line because of the past. TRUST me there is a new SHEIFF in town named Coach FRIEND. He will deliver. REMEMBER this is only his second year in charge of the “O” line. Give him a chance to prove he’s the real deal. No one is questioning the “D” under coach “G” and for good reason. But, the “O” will go in 2012.
IT IS WHAT IT IS
May 23rd, 2012
4:44 pm
teachers sleep with the students!!!!!!!!!!!!! (fact)
Brad
May 23rd, 2012
4:52 pm
Ritz Carlton Lodge on Lake Ocone!!!!!!! Stop asking me for money UGA! Sounds like the Athletic Association can cover you.
BiggDawgK
May 23rd, 2012
4:55 pm
tide roll
I know you are a pathetic simpleton who must rely on a bunch of teenagers to provide you with even a sliver of self worth but I do enjoy laughing at you. If you can manage to sober up and even more improbably if you can find someone semi literate ask them to define irony to you. When and if you are able to find that person you will understand what makes you calling anyone else a redneck so hilarious.
Rampdawg
May 23rd, 2012
4:59 pm
Ol’ Tech Roll using the race card over and over. You sound just like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton
Two of the biggest racist in America and with you on board .
sprouse27
May 23rd, 2012
5:02 pm
I’d be excited next year if we had a new HC, especially if it was Kirby Smart. CMR is a nice guy, but getting 10 wins with that schedule and the resources he has at hand is not the biggest challenge out there. He’s not winning the SEC anytime soon, and now South Carolina (a team that doesn’t recruit nearly as well as UGA) is really the best team in the East. UGA is mid-tier team, but not a championship team and that’s that. You get above average mediocrity with CMR, and no Penn St scandals. If that’s enough, then that’s enough.
Chris
May 23rd, 2012
5:04 pm
I guess it’s good that we didn’t hear Bobo’s name in this article. How can you give a guy a raise that under performs year in and year out, and quite simply sucks as an O.C.? I know he has been given raises before and that is just nuts. The only kind of paper work he should receive starts with three simple words….YOU ARE FIRED.
joeybiten
May 23rd, 2012
5:06 pm
wonder when will hear from obuma how “unfair” this is that a coach can make this much money?
jr
May 23rd, 2012
5:10 pm
Grantham didn’t deserve a raise.
He played 4 good teams:
Boise, gave up 35 points
South Carolina, gave up 45 points
LSU, gave up 45 points
Mich St, gave up 33 points
Guess McGarity was impressed with his performance against teams like New Mexico State, wow, real impressive.
jr
May 23rd, 2012
5:12 pm
Against ranked teams, Grantham finished 11th or 12th in the SEC, pretty much LAST:
Points allowed
tackles for loss
sacks
fumbles recovered
GTBob
May 23rd, 2012
5:18 pm
Hey Bob, any Tech raises going out?..No?…that’s what I thought, now go bother someone else!
To be fair, I don’t think anyone on our staff deserves a raise either.
Response to jo and @jo
May 23rd, 2012
5:19 pm
jo wrote “Has Richt won anything of significance…..?” I am going out on a limb and assume you are not a fan of any SEC school to even ask a question like that. Winning the SEC is a BIG DEAL!. Outside of the men’s NCAA basketball championship, and the BCS football title, I think a case can be made that there is nothing more significant in college sports than winning an SEC football crown. It is astounding to me to constantly read this slander against SEC football on here regularly, and some are from supposedly SEC fans.
@jo wrote that women’s gymnastics has 6 titles, and that is the only winning thing out of UGA. You must have a different definition of winning than I do. First of all, you must be thinking of men’s tennis with the 6 NCAA titles. Someone has already corrected you about the 10 NCAA gymnastics championships. Secondly, UGA has won over 35 NCAA championships in multiple sports, men and women, making us one of the top overall athletic programs in the nation. Closing on 140 SEC titles.
GTBob
May 23rd, 2012
5:20 pm
GTBob-On fire enough to burn yall’s butt thats for sure. Your best team in ten years (though tainted and stripped of its title) failed to beat one of our worst.
If we would have won it would have been taken away. Turns out we were better off losing that year. And if you want to keep giving Mark Richt more money just for beating GT then more power to ya. We are honored that you consider it such an accomplishment.
To Sprouse 27
May 23rd, 2012
5:23 pm
Regarding UGA being a “mid-tier” team, you can go all time football records, or the Richt era, and you will find the Dogs are anything but “mid-tier” if words have any meaning. We had a little dip, as all programs do, but the ship has been righted. We are not a top ten program all time, but are in the next few teams.
Bob
May 23rd, 2012
5:33 pm
It’s always easy to spend other folk’s money…just ask congress or our athletic dept. Both seem to overpay for mediocrity.For $3M a year, we should beat Central Fla and Mich State.
chilidawg
May 23rd, 2012
5:36 pm
Can’t blame the ‘23rd in points allowed’ on Grantham. Most of those points should be pinned on the offense.
Props
May 23rd, 2012
5:37 pm
Grantham hasn’t beaten a team that finished in the top 25 in his 2 seasons at UGA.
A raise, really?
lil_bit1
May 23rd, 2012
5:39 pm
The players are the real ones who bring in the MONEY. No one went to any game to see Saban, Miles, or Richt. They paid to see the PLAYERS perform! Sure, their talent was slightly developed by instruction from a few coaches, but ultimately, its the players’ natural talent that fill the stands!
Alabama Communist
May 23rd, 2012
5:40 pm
Nothing like 1% Coaches getting a big fat raise and Golden Parachute benfits like the 1% Wall Street criminals when this nation is going down the tubes faster than a 99% scatback from South Georgia…………Reality does not exsist anymore among the 1%’er
Alabama Communist
May 23rd, 2012
5:40 pm
Nothing like 1% Coaches getting a big fat raise and Golden Parachute benfits like the 1% Wall Street criminals when this nation is going down the tubes faster than a 99% scatback from South Georgia…………Reality does not exsist anymore among the 1%’er
MXDog
May 23rd, 2012
5:46 pm
after another mediocre season, a blowout loss to lsu, a choke against mich state–the coaches get a “big raise”???? are you serious???
Joey
May 23rd, 2012
5:48 pm
“Georgia was 23rd in points allowed, well behind those other teams.”
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Come on, Chip, how many of those points were allowed by the special teams and were returns of Ints and fumbles?
Lots . . .
59bulldawg
May 23rd, 2012
6:05 pm
It’s takes more than minimum wage to get and keep a decent staff. Hey it’s a risky occupation. The greater the risk the greater the reward.
Festus
May 23rd, 2012
6:09 pm
UGA could have the same record for less money with Vince Dooley’s kid. It one thing to pay for prime rib and getting road kill. Get Bobby Petrino. He’ll at least have a kid who can play QB. Georgia is flatter than Arkansas so no bumps along the way.
TigerinGA
May 23rd, 2012
6:18 pm
That’s odd….most other SEC schools give raises based on performance yet UGA rewards mediocrity! LMAO
JFKDawg
May 23rd, 2012
6:25 pm
Most of the folks commenting on here probably haven’t stepped foot on the campus much less donated to the cause. I have done both for over 30 years and am glad Coach Richt is our head coach. You baffoons who site second place and no championships are truly moronic. I assume you do so just to stir the masses to provide comment after comment. Would you rather have a rat like Petrino representing you?
Chaz Henry
May 23rd, 2012
6:40 pm
Pay Grantham he does not choke.
Class of '98
May 23rd, 2012
6:46 pm
Focus on the Family, it is called “the law supply and demand”. You may have heard of it.
Not a fan? Move to Cuba.
59bulldawg
May 23rd, 2012
6:48 pm
Sure I think we still have room for improvement but overall Richt has run a successful program and represented the university well. It’s rare to find a man who will commit himself to a school like Richt has done, much less a man of his stature. With the raises though comes more pressure to win big and I think he understands that now … especially after the last few years. Time will tell though and if not I don’t think McGarity is afraid to make a move. I think there is un urgency to win now among all UGA coaches that hasn’t always been there and it’s what he learned under Foley at Florida. It’s sometimes better known as put out or get shoved out! And I don’t think that’s a bad way to run an athletic department.
bart
May 23rd, 2012
7:03 pm
I don’t get this. We’re rewarding mediocrity. Grantham may deserve a raise but none of the others do. Richt needs to prove he can beat good teams. We lost to the 4 teams last year who were pretty good. We were very average.
kingdaddy
May 23rd, 2012
7:15 pm
After UGA wins the SECe again and then follows that up with a win in the SEC-CG, then a shot at the N.C., these raises will seem like a bargin. If UGA flops, then get used to Crow-Pie. I personally think we got a bargin…
dan
May 23rd, 2012
7:18 pm
@Jason:
Great post! I 100% agree with all of it.
I think UGA and Auburn have a lot of parallels. The difference though is that Tuberville never had the support of the AD like Richt has here, hence the reason he got outted quicker. I think if UGA ever does win a National Title is will be one of those “flash in pan” kind of deals with a great athlete like Cam Newton being the bell cow and with a head coach like Gene Chizik who might have an above average win/loss record, but for 1 season knows how to put it all together. That’s what Vince Dooley did with Herschel Walker. You take Herschel out of the equation and Dooley averaged 8 wins per season.
dan
May 23rd, 2012
7:20 pm
59bulldawg
Also a good post.
Carlotta
May 23rd, 2012
7:26 pm
That’s just peachy keen wonderful. Muck Wretched gets five more lucrative years while the dawgs’ slide into oblivion continues. And we still have to watch the punk Grantham and his sleazy antics.
I think I’ll renew my Kool-Aid Flavor of the Month club membership.
TowDawg
May 23rd, 2012
7:42 pm
How in the hell has this story still not hit in the AJC? Maybe I just missed it?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/matthew-stafford-spends-15-000-163555822.html
OBAMA
May 23rd, 2012
7:54 pm
I run this bitch, roll tide
James
May 23rd, 2012
8:15 pm
At a prestigious research university, the faculty bring in boatloads of money. Usually close to half of every grant goes into the university’s coffers. I used to work in a lab at GT that brought in 1 million in grants over 3 years; 500K went to the school. It is a very significant amount of money to the university.
At least at schools this size, teachers with the ability to bring in lots of money are sought after and competed for just like coaches.
SugarHillDawg
May 23rd, 2012
8:35 pm
Hey Chip, could you PLEASE find out what Richt’s buy out is?
St Simons - we're on Island time
May 23rd, 2012
8:39 pm
I hope Mark & Todd retire with us. They are good men.
Paddy
May 23rd, 2012
8:39 pm
Focus….your post was not very well thought out. A rather primary school response, if you ask me. You may neede to get out of the house some!
Go Dawgs
May 23rd, 2012
8:57 pm
Coach Grantham is all about GATA
Flat Tire on I-95 in Jacksonville
May 23rd, 2012
9:16 pm
LOL
FLA DAWG
May 23rd, 2012
9:17 pm
DAWG NATION,
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There is no cost, no hidden agenda here. This is a nationwide school contest for library resources for the kids.
Here is the link and thanks in advance.
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FLA DAWG,
Class of ‘79
Flat Tire on I-95 in Jacksonville
May 23rd, 2012
9:18 pm
Glad to know Perno has to prove something to get a contract extension but our football coaches proved nothing and get a contract extensions
Flat Tire on I-95 in Jacksonville
May 23rd, 2012
9:25 pm
Hey Perno you took us to a national title game won 2 SEC titles. you need to show something or else no contract;
Hey football coaches dont worry we have your back you can continue to lose the big games even though you put more players in the NFL with no results
Tough talk Mcgarity…. yea…… sure
Mobile Dawg
May 23rd, 2012
9:32 pm
Gary, I really didn’t need a reminder, but, thanks anyway for establishing the fact that entitlement still exists.
My thoughts exactly Flat. I hope Richt shines like the beacon in a lighthouse, I will eat crow until the cows come home, but, I just don’t think the man’s got what it takes to coach championship football. He can’t build and run an organization, and he’s soft.
I’m listening to the radio today and am hearing Alabama has “three” of their starting five OL picked as “All Americans”, first team. Richt just doesn’t seem to get that “championships” are won at the line of scrimage, or at least he can’t recruit that position on the offensive side of the ball.
George
May 23rd, 2012
9:37 pm
Yeah . Hope Coach R signs on for 10 more years . Good guy. Roll Tide.
guy
May 23rd, 2012
9:38 pm
I respect CMR very much but a pay raise and a contract extension? See what happens this year and then decide.As it stands now UGA is rewarding only above average results on the football field.I do believe things will improve but until then win and then earn.
Rick James
May 23rd, 2012
9:41 pm
@Focus on the Family
- and teachers are being laid off left and right
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Teachers are being laid off because of declining city and county revenues it has nothing to do with this story..
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
9:51 pm
There is a reason Mark Richt wasn’t THE started at Miami.There is a reason he wasn’t a pro. That reason is why Georgia will NEVER win a National Championship with him at the helm.
Mark Richt is the Mark Martin of college football coaches………..
kingster
May 23rd, 2012
9:52 pm
Yea, yea, yea, but all that money, can ya beat Alabama and LSU(Butterballs Dwags), UGA better watch out for South Carolina, Saint MR.
sicdawg
May 23rd, 2012
9:53 pm
OVERATED AND OVER PAID. DAWGS IS JUST A PREP SCHOOL FOR FUTURE CONVICTS
Rick James
May 23rd, 2012
9:56 pm
@GTBob
So because you think Richt is a good man he should keep getting raises? 2-14 in the last 4 years against teams that finished ranked is good enough for a raise?
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Maybe all he has to do is be the best division 1 coach and have the best division 1 program in Georgia to get a raise..
Freehawk
May 23rd, 2012
9:59 pm
What minor sport that UGA plays are we supposed to care about now? AJC will run it full page
Rick James
May 23rd, 2012
10:04 pm
@Fred
There is a reason Mark Richt wasn’t THE started at Miami.There is a reason he wasn’t a pro. That reason is why Georgia will NEVER win a National Championship with him at the helm.
Mark Richt is the Mark Martin of college football coaches
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The reason Mark Richt wasnt a starter at Miami was a guy named Jim Kelly..Saban was never a pro,Les Miles was never a pro,Bear Bryant was never a pro,and I assuming you meant played in the NFL right? Can you name the last coach who won a national championship that also played in the NFL?
Rick James
May 23rd, 2012
10:05 pm
Tech fan’s obssesion wih all things Georgia never stops amazing me..
NWGA
May 23rd, 2012
10:15 pm
Richt should give his increased salary to Grantham; Grantham and his defensive staff are the only coaches at Butts Mehre who have “earned” anything recently
james
May 23rd, 2012
10:16 pm
HOPE HE’S PUTTING SME ASIDE FOR THE BAIL BONDSMEN.
Fred ™
May 23rd, 2012
10:21 pm
Saban was never a pro,Les Miles was never a pro,Bear Bryant was never a pro
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Yeah but all of THEM have won a Nat’l Championship or three, or six. Richt hasn’t and won’t. Like I said, he’s the Mark Martin of college football. He doesn’t really care if he wins one so he won’t. And for folks like you, that’s good enough. 6-7 for you is a great season……………. woo hoo. But I understand you, Georgia never has been a National powerhouse so you don’t know what it’s like to be one perennially. one good year with Hershal and you think Georgia ranks in the top programs in history. What a twit. Mediocre at best. Alabama, Oklahoma, USC, Texas, Ohio State, Penn State, Notre Dame, Michigan, Nebraska, Miami, THESE are teams that anyone NOT in Georgia thinks of when they think of great football programs historically.
But you keep deluding yourself and Go Dawgs………
GameTime
May 23rd, 2012
10:28 pm
Unfrigging believable!!! After two pitiful seasons, Richt’s 2011 squad loses to the only two good teams on the schedule then beats a bunch of cupcakes and gets this kind of money??? Just throw me in the briar patch AD McGarity! What a joke! Guess that sends a message about how important it is to recruit class and character.
Dude84
May 23rd, 2012
10:31 pm
Gary- Richt and Murray are 0-9 against ranked opponents. Not sure what you are talking about only one bad season, the last 3 or 4 seasons we have been about .500 in SEC play (like 16-16 or something) so, no Richt still has a lot to prove and is not worth ANY raise he receives. Even in the “good” year last year we were 10-0 against average or bad teams and 0-4 against the good and great teams…Richt is not the coach to get us to a NC, he is a 2nd tier SEC coach. Personally, I would fire him.
bubba4dawgs
May 23rd, 2012
10:36 pm
Disgusting naysayers! I’m sure they all support the DAWGS so well that they have season tickets on the 50 yard line! Yes, and Santa doesn’t wear a red suit!!
Dude84
May 23rd, 2012
10:36 pm
Does any true UGA fan feel with Richt at the helm, that we even have a snowball’s chance in hades against Alabama, LSU, Boise State, or even Michigan State. FACT- Georgia lost to the four best teams on their schedule last year. Sure they can squeeze by teams like florida and tennesee by a few points to pad there record, but then get blown out 42-10 against good teams like LSU. Check out Richt’s records against top 10 teams…you might want to be sitting down though…FIRE RICHT!!!
UGAKev in Columbus GA
May 23rd, 2012
10:36 pm
Grantham deserves atleast 1 million a year. He is the best defensive coordinator in the country. He is def better than Smart.
FLA DAWG
May 23rd, 2012
10:43 pm
Give Grantham 4.0 M, unload Richt and Bobo and make Grantham the HC. Let him hire an OC of his choice.
Solves alotta problems you aska me!
UGAKev in Columbus GA
May 23rd, 2012
10:43 pm
Dude 84, Its a process. The year before UGA was losing to lesser talented teams like Miss State and Colorado. The dawgs dug themselves into a hole for a few years because of not making changes to the defense and strength program sooner. We are on the right track now. It has just taken a few years. If we don’t win bigger games this season then that would mean no progress and then you can say whatever you want.
BobDawg
May 23rd, 2012
10:44 pm
Hey Turd Roll… St Nick is on line 2 and wants your opinion…. what a joke…
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Rampdawg
May 23rd, 2012
10:53 pm
All the Tech mites on here bashing CMR. I wonder why, could it be 10-1? Yeah, thought so.
Focus on the Family
May 23rd, 2012
10:59 pm
Raises Are Coming For UGA Coaches
Mark Richt and Odd Grantham who have
produced a record of 16-11 the past two seasons.
Deepdiver
May 23rd, 2012
11:06 pm
Big Wally Butts,
The coach doesn’t bring in the money, the players do, yet they don’t get compensated for that. How can the coach look at players with a staright face and ask them not to take money? Not easy, is it?
Hidden Agenda
May 23rd, 2012
11:07 pm
No other school that want a NC would put up with Richt. I think the Pres at UGA loves the fact GA football is a joke (Book ends seasons are a joke).
I would trust Richt as far as I could throw him. He is a used car, John Edwards (less the affair part) type.
sports
May 23rd, 2012
11:15 pm
GT Bob and the rest of the techies SUCK
Focus on the Family
May 23rd, 2012
11:30 pm
Should they get an extra *bonus for having starters suspended the first four games of the season?
Vince Doodley
May 23rd, 2012
11:43 pm
Nice. Grantham gets a raise. D-bag that he is.
CitizenK9
May 24th, 2012
12:09 am
We’ll never win big with Richt but we do get special family moments like his wife as water girl or kissing her on the field or bringing his adopted kids out for a viewing. We need to appreciate those values over winning football games and be a lot happier.
mike shula
May 24th, 2012
12:11 am
Ya’ll will hire Kirby before that asst. coach…spinnin wheels..lol Grantham HC
hissyFitDC
May 24th, 2012
12:19 am
Gimme more money or ill kick Franklin, michael Adams Timmys and Richts!!!
Dude84
May 24th, 2012
12:41 am
CitizenK9 with the post of the decade…
“We’ll never win big with Richt but we do get special family moments like his wife as water girl or kissing her on the field or bringing his adopted kids out for a viewing. We need to appreciate those values over winning football games and be a lot happier.”
ROFL…Truest and funniest post of the year…5 stars…epic
Dude84
May 24th, 2012
12:42 am
Mark Richt can suck a Dicht!!!!!
Dude84
May 24th, 2012
12:43 am
MARK RICHT CAN SUCK A DICHT!!!!
MARK RICHT CAN SUCK A DICHT!!!!!!!
SEC Football Daily: May 24th | Saturday Down South
May 24th, 2012
4:46 am
[...] Mark Richt and Todd Grantham are getting raises. Richt’s new five-year deal will be public soon, as the Georgia Athletic Association’s end-of-the-year board meeting is scheduled to get started tomorrow morning. Richt and the university have been going back and forth on the contract negotiations since the end of last football season in December. This time last year, Grantham was the second highest paid DC, making $752,000. Now, he’s not even the second highest paid DC in the SEC. [AJC] [...]
LOL
May 24th, 2012
6:06 am
I love how alot of Richt supporters point out how great his “Out of Conference” record is. Could it be because UGA schedules the majority of their games against teams like Georgia Southern, New Mexico State, Buffalo, and Florida Atlantic. Even Bobo couldn’t lose to teams like that.
sprouse27
May 24th, 2012
6:34 am
The real problem with Richt is that he’s not good enough to win anything big and not bad enough to ever get fired. We’re not a top tier team in the SEC and haven’t been for some time. Sure, we got back to Atlanta last year, but that was a kiss your sister event at best. I get tired of hearing all the ‘how many games we won’ arguments. Wins are great, but where are the quality wins? When do we beat the tough teams in tough, well played games? I don’t see it anytime soon, but I love CFB so I’ll be watching to see who does.
Jailyard Dwag.....
May 24th, 2012
6:53 am
I think pay raises should be based on the number of times we beat a top twenty team…..
PatriotBlue
May 24th, 2012
6:58 am
For those of you that think CMR hasn’t been doing his job!!!!! FYI UGA has won 10 games 7 out of the last 10 years. SC has 1 in last 10 years .Tenn has 3. FLA has 3. AUB has 4. LSU has 6. BAMA has 6 and ARK has 3.
Reverend Richt
May 24th, 2012
7:13 am
As a alumni of a SEC East opponent to Georgia I fully support the Reverend Richt has coach for life.
Hidden Agenda
May 24th, 2012
7:15 am
poor stupid Patriot Blue. Yes, Ga won 10 games last year, but what happened when this 10 win team met a quality team. That’s right idiot. LSU 42, GA 10. Second worst loss in the SEC Championship’s 20 year history.
Richt’s 10 wins 7-10 years how translated into how many SEC championships and/or National Championships. Ask any FL, LSU, Bama or AU fan if they would trade their national championship for GA’s record.
Patriot Blue you’re an idiot.
JB
May 24th, 2012
7:16 am
Lot’s of speculation in this article and little info. I’m a pretty tough critic on here of Richt, the football coach, not Richt the man. It’s very easy to look at the money at UGA, which we like to think of ourselves as a football power, but compared to the schools who are getting it done, not just talking about it, our pay to these guys is inline with the results………second tier.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
7:48 am
“Richt supporters point out how great his “Out of Conference” record is. Could it be because UGA schedules the majority of their games against teams like Georgia Southern, New Mexico State, Buffalo, and Florida Atlantic.”
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LOL, don’t forget his favorite cupcake – Ga Tech.
DoubleEagle
May 24th, 2012
8:04 am
As an Auburn fan I’d love to see a schedule which didn’t include Alabama, LSU, or Arkansas. Even Auburn could have won 10 games last year without having to face those three and Auburn was a weak team last year.
DoubleEagle
May 24th, 2012
8:07 am
So Patriotblue – How many times has Georgia gone undefeated in the past 10 years? That right, ZERO. Auburn has gone undefeated twice but you should keep bragging about your coach.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
8:09 am
Oh yeah, that Magical 10-Win Season. You should read Thomas’ stats, PatriotBlue – I’m pretty sure 23 (?) teams in Div 1 won 10 or more games in 2011. And of those 23, we had the most losses – 4.
10 wins in an era of 13 or 14 game seasons is roughly like winning 8 back in the day of 10 and 11 game seasons.
And just speaking for myself, I would trade all of those 10 win seasons for those multiple BCS Titles won at UF, LSU, and Bama.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
8:15 am
“Even Auburn could have won 10 games last year without having to face those three and Auburn was a weak team last year.”
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That may be, DoubleEagle, but everybody on our schedule gave us a better game than Auburn last season.
Well, except Coastal Carolina.
Congrats . . .
SEC Football Morning Coffee: Marquel Wade and 2 Other Hogs Not Enrolled | SEC Football
May 24th, 2012
8:19 am
[...] Mark Richt and his staff have gone from being on the hot seat one year ago to being on the doorstep of a getting a raise, according to Chip Towers of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. [...]
sprouse27
May 24th, 2012
8:31 am
Joey, you’re right on.
Top Dawg
May 24th, 2012
8:34 am
Richt’s roster is loaded with all this dream team talent he recruited. Look for another easy SEC east title and this year–an upset over lsu in the title game!! The dawgs are back!!!
Gator Mike
May 24th, 2012
8:38 am
FLA DAWG, My son and I are both GATORS, and we voted for your school. My son’s daughter attends a Catholic School in St. Petersburg. Good luck to your kids’ school.
Also, all the best to the DAWGS. It should be a wild season this Fall, and hopefully our DAWG (Will Muschamp) will have the Gators winning again.
P.S. In my opinion, Mark Richt is a very good coach and a super person.
Mobile Dawg
May 24th, 2012
8:38 am
My money says Dude84 gets banned.
Mobile Dawg
May 24th, 2012
8:50 am
Top Dawg, it’s good to see you optimistic but, until we get a quality OL I don’t think we compete with the big boys. Our special teams were a huge liability last year and need to tighten up too.
The Tide is rolling and nothing can stop it
May 24th, 2012
8:50 am
Question: A head coach can’t beat a ranked team. The defense averages 39 pts to ranked teams. Let’s give them a raise.
Answer: What is, the reason UGA will never win a championship?
The Tide is rolling and nothing can stop it
May 24th, 2012
8:51 am
And BTW, we’ll be throwing a party in Tuscaloosa to celebrate these two clowns being around longer. You guys can come if you want to. We’re paying for it with Kirby’s raise that he got as a result of turning UGA down.
JD
May 24th, 2012
8:52 am
Supply and demand is cited here as the reason for higher pay for coaches than teachers. That is a valid argument, however it misses the real point – why is the ‘demand’ for a coach higher than that for those that educate our children? Doesn’t that reality speak to the fact that our values are out of place with a competitive global economy? I mean take a look at where the fastest economic growth, tallest buildings and highest academic scores are… last I checked – it’s not the place with great athletes but great education. So if we want to be relegated to the ‘gladiator class’ for the world, so be it!
toga
May 24th, 2012
8:52 am
Richt days of stealing $ are over. He will retire after this season to do missionary work. His kids are now grown and people in the know say he is moving on. Sad because I wanted to take him to the woodshed one more time.
ROLL TIDE!
Alphare
May 24th, 2012
9:00 am
“Under Grantham’s leadership this past season, the Bulldogs finished fifth in the nation in total defense (277.21 ypg). That was impressive, but Alabama, LSU and South Carolina were one, two and three in that category. Georgia was 23rd in points allowed, well behind those other teams.”
Also you forgot to mention Grantham’s team played more cupcakes than other schools. Actually, his team couldn’t hold a good team from high scoring, like USC or LSU.
AtlTodoLaVida
May 24th, 2012
9:17 am
Let those tax cuts expire on the wealthy. They sure don’t need all that dough.
Nick
May 24th, 2012
9:23 am
Wow, Chip, you’ve managed to ruffle feathers at this very uninteresting and unexciting time of year.
Way to go!!
Mobile Dawg
May 24th, 2012
9:25 am
What’s going to happen to you leaches when the country collapses because it can’t afford to take care of those like you. One only needs to look at countries like Ethiopia, etc. You will starve because you’ve never been made to take care of yourself.
BW
May 24th, 2012
9:26 am
In the meantime, tuition and ticket prices is going up and services are being cut.A good jesture would be for the athletic association to donate money to the university to offset cost increase.
bucket
May 24th, 2012
9:36 am
@ toga – CMR has 3 kids that are still in high school. Is that considered “grown” now?
JB
May 24th, 2012
9:37 am
Met with my Banker this morning about my business. This is sad. He said a lot of his commercial customers are laying the ground work right now for growth and expansion IF ROMNEY is elected and also putting plans in place If Obama wins, which include that revenue will drop and plans to cut expenses ( people) to survive. That’s real world stuff, not Washington DC BS. That ought to be an ad for Romney.
JB
May 24th, 2012
9:40 am
What scares me about this country now, if you can believe the polls, that 45% of Americans think that Obama is doing a good job. Scary. Yes, he’s a likeable guy, but a horrible President.
Mobile Dawg
May 24th, 2012
9:47 am
JB, the scariest part is that we’ve grown up trusting that our Government would do the right thing. Now the Government is the caretaker for a large percentage of our society. Government “by” the people, “for” the people. Where did it go? If people don’t start thinking for themselves today, it will be to late.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
9:50 am
“Richt’s roster is loaded with all this dream team talent he recruited.”
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Top Dawg, when has Richt’s roster NOT been loaded with talent?
He had the most talent of any team in ‘07 and ‘08, with future NFL players at every skill position, and didn’t even win the East.
Better set your sights on 10-3, and another trip to the Outback Bowl – that is if Richt breaks his bowl losing streak.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
9:52 am
Mobile Dawg, if we get 4 more years of this, with him having no reelection to fear, the good ole USA won’t be recognizable.
Mobile Dawg
May 24th, 2012
9:53 am
On the other hand, if I were among the percentage of the population that the government has been taking care of for 3 generations now, I’m not sure I wouldn’t do the same thing. You are a product of the environment you come from. If we start making the changes now that are necessary to turn our country around, we’re looking at 30 to 50 years to re-establish the work ethic we used to have, JMO, and I’m not sure we have the stomach, or backbone anymore to do it. SAD, to see the United States of America in the shape we’re in.
Honky Talkin
May 24th, 2012
9:56 am
Raises? After going 2-4 against teams with a winning record last year?
gt4ever
May 24th, 2012
10:02 am
LOL, Giving these guys a Raise makes as much sense as giving CPJ a raise… Paul Johnson has done nothing to deserve a raise, and neither has Richt… I like Richt, but given the talent he has on the field…. His success has been pretty pathetic… Grantham is a JOKE. Period! I have NO idea why you would reward a NO class DC with more money… But hey, what do I know….
JB
May 24th, 2012
10:13 am
Georgia is stuck with a great man as their coach…..but a so so football coach…..And for those who attack me on this, what real good coach with the second most money in the NCAA and the 5th best talent at their disposal year after year, would not have done better? It’s been 11 years. Yes, he is a wonderful, super human being…we all know that. But he has had 2 or 3 really good teams, 5 or 6 so so teams and 2 or 3 horrible teams. You really have to look past the record to see where we are. It’s not who he has beat…..It’s who he hasn’t.
LogicalUS
May 24th, 2012
10:14 am
Chip, a better service to UGA fans would be an events calendar for the fall festivals Saturday afternoons because looking at the schedule for Athens, there isn’t much reason to make the tiresome trek down 316.
Buffalo
Florida Atlantic
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
Open Date
Ole Miss
Georgia Southern
Georgia Tech
Geez, who is up for a good day at a wine tasting festival in Dahlonega this fall?
JB
May 24th, 2012
10:16 am
But hey, a new 5 year deal today and a raise, so be it. Be interesting to see where this new contract takes the program.
Mobile Dawg
May 24th, 2012
10:17 am
I think with Adams leaving we will see what kind of backbone McGarity has. I’m interested to see what the contract contains, that will tell the tale. You’re far from being alone questioning Richt’s ability to lead the football program.
JB
May 24th, 2012
10:18 am
Glad I don’t have 4 tickets on the 40 yard line paying 15-20 grand to watch those games. Ouch.
Mobile Dawg
May 24th, 2012
10:21 am
My banker says I can’t afford those kinds of perks at this time.
JB
May 24th, 2012
10:22 am
Be a good year to get the ESPN game day package if you enjoy good college football. If Dawgs win 10-11 games this year, they will get little national props…..We have about 2-3 tough games.SC and Florida being the toughest.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
10:26 am
I agree with you gt4ever on Richt. But Grantham is the reason (I believe) that Richt is still in Athens. Our D was in shambles when he took over, and our D is vastly improved. That 23 ppg allowed is the team, not the D.
He held the SC offense to 17 points with the rest coming on a fake punt, Pick-6, fumble returns for TDs. He held LSU to 24, with the rest coming on turnovers for TDs and punt returns for TDs. He made adjustments and held UF to a FG in the 2nd half. Completely shut down Auburn.
He also shut down PJ’s offense pretty well too.
PatriotBlue
May 24th, 2012
10:28 am
Hidden Agenda, I see you’re very good at name calling…Congrads!! That must really get you a seat alot higher than most other people…Guess you think you’re really smart huh?? The AJC is a joke because of people like you that can come on hear and bash UGA. Most of them are teenagers from rival schools with nothing better to do and it shows in the post!!!
JB
May 24th, 2012
10:29 am
Tech is the Holy Grail for a Georgia coach. 10-1 is pretty sporty for Richt.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
10:30 am
JB, you really don’t think Mizzou on the road is gonna be tough? It would mean everything to the Tigers to win their SEC opener.
And Richt has been horrible on the road lately – Colorado, Ok St, bowls, Dome, etc.
JB
May 24th, 2012
10:32 am
PatriotBlue;
Blog: a format on the Web where a writer can post a story or topic and ask the readers to comment on it with THEIR OPINION.
JB
May 24th, 2012
10:33 am
Joey, it’ll be close for a quarter, Dawgs win 35-17
7576DAWG
May 24th, 2012
10:37 am
I think CMR and Grantham both deserve nice raises. They did a great job in 2011. I also think Bobo is on the hot seat to show he has learned how to run an offense. If McGarity had been at Georgia 5 years ago Martinez would have been fired at least two years before he actually got the boot and the defense would have been at the 2011 level in 2009. If the offense makes the same mistakes this year that they did in 2011, McGarity will demand from Mark Richt a reason why Bobo deserves to stay on as offensive coordinator. Either way I hope that if Bobo is replaced that McGarity will realize Bobo’s value as a Quarterback coach and recruiter , especially in South Georgia and keep him on the staff.
DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
10:38 am
No raise for Richt
McGarity – “100% increae in performance bonuses for Coach Richt to provide incentive.”
As I have said repeatedly the heat is not off of Richt.
McGarity has high, championship expectations
8-4 and Richt is gone
No more excuses time in Athens
JB
May 24th, 2012
10:42 am
Richt has failed to surround himself with big resumes coach’s with big ideas….and has been to loyal to coach’s not cutting the mustard. It goes with his persona.I’m OK with Grantham, but the fact that Richt let Chavious end up at LSU is a crime. Check out the D at LSU the last 2 years. We could of hired almost anyone at OL coach with our resources, and look who we hired ( but in all honesty, Richt was probably rebuffed by 2 or 3 due to own situation).
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
10:43 am
Modest pay increase to keep pace with SEC scales, but not overly offensive and certainly no where near the top. Just as all the rational poster predicted.
And nobody complaining about that would do anything differently If they were in charge.
gt4ever
May 24th, 2012
10:44 am
@ Joey
My point, GT or UGA didn’t beat anybody …. I guess you have a valid argument about the defense, but the defense is filled with NFL talent, and you still never beat anybody to speak of… Just sayin…. All the good teams found a way to beat you, and that means they beat your defense…. Your offense scored enough to win in most all of those games… IMHO..
JB
May 24th, 2012
10:45 am
Lex, it will be interesting if this contract has a short fuse buy out in it, say 2 years max if fired. It really keeps McGarity’s options open, and Richt from getting to “comfortable”.
JB
May 24th, 2012
10:46 am
True gt4ever.
dERWOOD
May 24th, 2012
10:56 am
AIN’T NONE OF THE COACHES AND AD WORTH THE COST OF VIENNA SAUSAGES 10 FOR A DOLLAR. CMR IS NOT A HEAD COACH IN DIV 1.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
10:57 am
7576DAWG, Bobo is calling the games exactly as Richt wants him to. Richt wears a headset – you think he wouldn’t overrule Bobo if he didn’t like his play-calling? It’s unfair to blame Bobo, when this is Mark Richt’s offense – the same one he brought from FSU in ‘01.
Columbus
May 24th, 2012
10:58 am
Thanks goodness their are some wise and intelligent men making executive decisions in Athens instead of the emotional and ignorant fans on here who do not see the big picture and do not realize what is going on but certainly will no admit it when UGA goes to the SEC Championship several times the next 6 years, wins the SEC more than once and plays for the national championship at least once and very possibly more. Best coach by far at UGA ever and his record proves it. One of the best coaching records in NCAA history over first 10 years. Only 2 or 3 coaches EVER won a NC in their first 10 years of coaching and there have been thousands of coaches…..Richt is in his first head coaching job and he is about to hit his prime. EVEN Saban did not win a NC in his first 10 years…..UGA has went to the SEC Championship game since Richt has been there more than ANY school in the SEC except LSU. They both have went 4 times. UGA won it twice and we all knew we were not going to win it last year but gave thema good run the first half! The team was not ready lst year BUT WILL BE THIS YEAR!
AND THE NEXT YEAR AND THE NEXT YEAR AND THE NEXT YEAR AND THE NEXT YEAR……AND THE NEXT AND THE NEXT….
Thank goodness for the people running things at UGA, particularly McGarrity and Adams. They have wisdom. The majority of haters on here are young and dumb and werent even around when Dooley coached. Richt is FAR BETTER THAN DOOLEY. They should NOT name the Stadium for Dooley because if Richt coaches another 10 years he will surpass Dooley in aalmost EVERY category probably in 5 years less time. Might need another year or two to catch him in wins. But maybe not with how things are going to go the next 6 at least…..
Columbus
May 24th, 2012
10:58 am
Thanks goodness their are some wise and intelligent men making executive decisions in Athens instead of the emotional and ignorant fans on here who do not see the big picture and do not realize what is going on but certainly will no admit it when UGA goes to the SEC Championship several times the next 6 years, wins the SEC more than once and plays for the national championship at least once and very possibly more. Best coach by far at UGA ever and his record proves it. One of the best coaching records in NCAA history over first 10 years. Only 2 or 3 coaches EVER won a NC in their first 10 years of coaching and there have been thousands of coaches…..Richt is in his first head coaching job and he is about to hit his prime. EVEN Saban did not win a NC in his first 10 years…..UGA has went to the SEC Championship game since Richt has been there more than ANY school in the SEC except LSU. They both have went 4 times. UGA won it twice and we all knew we were not going to win it last year but gave thema good run the first half! The team was not ready lst year BUT WILL BE THIS YEAR!
AND THE NEXT YEAR AND THE NEXT YEAR AND THE NEXT YEAR AND THE NEXT YEAR……AND THE NEXT AND THE NEXT….
Thank goodness for the people running things at UGA, particularly McGarrity and Adams. They have wisdom. The majority of haters on here are young and dumb and werent even around when Dooley coached. Richt is FAR BETTER THAN DOOLEY. They should NOT name the Stadium for Dooley because if Richt coaches another 10 years he will surpass Dooley in aalmost EVERY category probably in 5 years less time. Might need another year or two to catch him in wins. But maybe not with how things are going to go the next 6 at least…..
GDAWG65
May 24th, 2012
11:00 am
Richt pay should stay the same and increase his pay based on winning the SEC Championship and a major bowl next season. Pay Todd Grantham 1.1 million he’s earned it. Cut Bobo’s pay 40 percent or better yet replace him.
JB
May 24th, 2012
11:00 am
We are predictable on offense. Our opponents know it, we know it, The booth guys know it, our wife’s know it. The UN knows it. Don’t know why the coach’s don’t know it.
JB
May 24th, 2012
11:03 am
Columbus………..We get it. 11 years and a lot of ” we’re working harder to get better”…. There are enough crystal footballs around the SEC the last 10 years to sink a battle ship. Not in Athens.
DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
11:06 am
JB
Is Oregon “predictable”?
Auburn totally shut them down. We scored more on them than the vaunted Oregon offense.
It all comes down to execution.
2007 Florida
2008 LSU
2011 Auburn
We lit them up. Were we predictable then? Same as always yet we EXECUTED.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
11:09 am
I disagree with Lex on the expectations put on Richt , because McGarity and the AA were tickled pink with 10 wins and a watered down East title. Never mind the bad losses in the Dome and the last 2 bowls. Couldn’t wait to get him that new contract. One of the AA board members told Chip Towers when Chip pressed him about Richt’s hot seat after the 6-7 season that, “7-6 would be an improvement.” He probably danced a jig over 10-4.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
11:11 am
Alabama is even more predictable than we are. By far. How is that a problem?
DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
11:12 am
Joey
If GM was all that happy, Richt would have gotten a raise.
Instead. all he got was incentives for performance
Sends a clear message to me
Hidden Agenda
May 24th, 2012
11:16 am
Here’s the prediction. If Richt performs at the same marginal level when the new UGA president comes on next year, Richt will never seen the end of his contract as UGA coach.
And like PSU, UGA fans will see the mistake of their ways for holding on to mediocre coach. Paterno before 88 finished in the top 10…11 times…after 88…3.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
11:18 am
Joey, you have no idea what the AA thought of 10 wins. That’s your opinion that you are assigning to him, not his own. Now , do you actually believe that Greg McGarity thought last year was spectacular, or was settling? come on. Based on what? What evidence has he given that leads you to know that? I would bet the farm that he took it for exactly what it was, no more, no less.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
11:19 am
Columbus = Kathryn Richt
Geez, I gave you the stats on your claims about head coaches – I’m pretty sure 14 of the past 19 National Championships were won by coaches BEFORE their 10th season.
For every Bear and Vince, there are several Stoops, Myer, Miles, and yes Saban, who won his first BCSCG in his 10th season.
Hell, we all want Richt to win one or more, I’ll be the first in line to kiss his tanned butt if he does! Some of us are of the opinion that he loses too many games he shouldn’t, to get his team in the Big Game, much less win one.
DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
11:20 am
Dumb Dawgs
May 24th, 2012
11:17 am
“Raises coming for UGA football coaches Mark Richt, Todd Grantham”
yep, give raises to mediocrity.
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You are dumb since Richt did not get a raise
Joey
May 24th, 2012
11:23 am
“Alabama is even more predictable than we are. By far. How is that a problem?”
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So you thought Bama would come out throwing the ball all over the place in the BCSCG? If so, you’re the only one who thought so.
That’s unpredictable.
And don’t compare us to Bama right now. It’s not very flattering to us for you to do so . . .
UGA Insider
May 24th, 2012
11:24 am
DawginLex is right….
The seat is still hot for CMR now that Adams is a lame duck prez.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
11:26 am
“do you actually believe that Greg McGarity thought last year was spectacular, or was settling? come on. Based on what?”
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I don’t know, maybe based on he offered Richt a new contract before the bowl game was played? He would do that is he WASN’T happy?
Makes sense . . .
Joey
May 24th, 2012
11:30 am
I hope Lex is right, UGA Insider – because we have seen the man get complacent and damn-near lose control of his program, with a huge, long, contract in hand
Unlike some on here, I still remember ‘09 and ‘10 – both the losses and the arrests. I also remember the ‘07 and ‘08 seasons, where the talent in Athens was such that probably a dozen or more coaches could have won two BCS Titles.
BamaGuy
May 24th, 2012
11:34 am
I predict Richt giving out full frontal hugs with a bit of a woody after pulling this one off….
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
11:35 am
Of cource he was not (wasn’t happy). Why would he be unhappy win 10 wins and the east crown?
Is that what you claimed , that he simple didnt exhibite enough unhappyness. Or did you say he was thrilled and dancing about it.
So back to my point. He was taking neither extreme.
Frankly I think he looked at it a WHOLE lot more seriously than happy or not. He extended the contract because the contract needed to be extended, and that’s his job. To do what is in the best interest of UGAA as he sees it, at the time. My personal opinion is that you would have too, had it been your actual real life responsibility.
DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
11:37 am
Perno is back in 2013
McGarity-”To me, it’s not even a question.”
I guess the CWS trip is still getting him time.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
11:39 am
No coach in America or the history of the game could have won a NC with that injured 08′ UGA team. NC are not won by team that get to thier 3rd LT of the year. And no DL. Or not enough walking LB to actually practise after game 5. Or thier best DB in a hand cast.
Fools Gold
May 24th, 2012
11:41 am
You sheeple are so comical on the Todd Grantham band wagon. That clowns defense hasn’t stopped teams like LSU,South Carolina , Boise and other ranked teams. Not to mention Michigan State. Losing again to South Carolina for the third straight year still won’t wake up the sheeple either.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
11:41 am
I think In Perno’s case its that he did have some injuries in the past 2 years to deal with. And still he was one game away from being 1 of only 4 teams to have had winning seasons in the SEC schedule in the past 2 years. But he is in dire need of a better year, or it WILL be a question.
DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
11:41 am
I’m telling you this straight up, you better be careful what you wish for
Joker is going to get run out of Lexington this year. 3-9 record or 4-8 at best
The AD up here would take Mark Richt in a heartbeat
My prediction is Kirby Smart
Can you imagine another team in the SEC East with a coach that can recruit talent from Ohio, Georgia and Florida?
The East would be crazy good. We would have a new coach with new scheme, recruits would be re-thinking etc.
Be careful
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
11:43 am
And I guess we all heard the stat the other day that Perno has accounted for (not sure I am getting this correct) 7 of the 11 trips to the NCAAs in UGA entire baseball history. I think he has a lot more capital than just a CWS trip.
Fan of the Game
May 24th, 2012
11:44 am
Coach Perno deserves to comeback and yes the World Series is probably helpling him out. But he has done a good job, he loves the program and has lost two kids to broken necks the last two years and handled that very well. Bottom line is that we didn’t have the sticks this year. We have got to do a better job of recruiting kids that aren’t going to be drafted and will come to school. Oh yea, the baseball team isn’t in the news with arrests all the time like the football team.
Tide Rising
May 24th, 2012
11:45 am
Ya gotta win a championship to get paid the big money. As for Grantham why would they pay this clown good money. He embarrassed UGA badly twice first with the throat choking gesture and then with the yelling fiasco against Vandy’s head coach. Vandy of all teams? Plus he’s not even a good defensive coach. Georgia’s defensive stats were padded because the sec east was way watered down and because they dodged the 3 big behemoths of the west.
And what’s this I keep hearing about Georgia gonna sign 30 recruits next year? Wouldn’t that be
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bawbie
May 24th, 2012
11:48 am
Perno is definitely not “In the Hunt” as Greg McGarrity like to put it. Lets see if McGarrity will grow a pair and live by his words. Firing volleyball and gym coaches seems so easy for Howdy Doody
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DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
11:53 am
sorry tide rising, nice try but Richt is filling slots created from attrition, not blatantly oversigning and making promises he won’t keep
A.B. Normal
May 24th, 2012
11:58 am
Best wishes and welcome to UGA Coach Danna Durante!
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
12:01 pm
Tide Rising. It’s oversigning it it exceed some number. Some number that was decided to be a limit specifically. How on earth do you Bama fans not understand what the term “over” means?
Lotimus Pyle
May 24th, 2012
12:07 pm
Well, the cost of living has gone up and CMR does need to feed his family.
Tide Rising
May 24th, 2012
12:13 pm
Altdawg and DawginLex,
Translation- When Saban oversigns its bad. When Richt oversigns its filling slots from attrition. Sometimes I wonder if you guys actually read the complete BS that you write.
Dawginlex, when Saban oversigns its for the exact same reason- attrition. And in case you didn’t notice when Bama reports in the fall we always have 83-85 players on scholly- no more than the 85 max allowed by the NCAA. And that is a fact jack.
And as for greyshirting I got news for ya. Richt does it too.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
12:14 pm
“Of cource he was not (wasn’t happy). Why would he be unhappy win 10 wins and the east crown?”
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Whoo Hoo! 10 Wins! That says it all. The fact is, there is nothing Richt hasdone or will ever do to earn the tiniest bit of criticism from you. You are as predictable as the weather in Rio. And just make excuses to mention Richt’s actual record . . .
Mark Richt, every season loses games that he shouldn’t, and gets less with more than “any coach in America, or the history of the game. Look it up.
Oh, and I was referring to the board member who would be happy with “improvement” like 7-6 with the dancing comment.
TossSweep
May 24th, 2012
12:15 pm
Focus on the Family
May 23rd, 2012
2:36 pm
- and teachers are being laid off left and right.
So what if teachers are getting laid off left and right. The teachers that need to get laid off are the ones not doing the job. As in college coaching, there needs to be pay for performance in schools. Those who do an excellent job get rewarded and those who don’t, get booted. Don’t just keep teachers just because…
g2
May 24th, 2012
12:17 pm
you would have to be a real as s hole to want a raise from your already massive salary in this economy
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
12:21 pm
I understand when folks complain about Richt, even if they slightly overexagerate. That’s pretty common in the sports chatter world. What I never get is when they need to completely make up some grossly over the top standard by which to judge him by.
You guys get mad when we dispute that stuff, as if any of us enjoy losing football games. And act like we are sitting here saying , 6-7 is just peachy.
Perhaps if the critique was slighly more rational, he discussion and agreement would be more balanced.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
12:24 pm
Well, Tide rising… if your definition of “translation” is to completely change the meanings of words, and ignore pretty well established points, then yes. Spot on. Good job.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
12:27 pm
Hey, I don’t get mad. Not even when one side decides that he is the only “rational” one on the blog.
If you think UGA has NOT had several teams talented enough to win a BCS Title in Richt’s 11 years, but lost to underdogs to ruin his chances to do so, then you are the one who is lacking rationale on UGA football.
DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
12:27 pm
Richt doe not operate the way Saban does in making promises to kids he does not intend to keep
Never has, never will
THAT is the difference
The rest is just you Bama guys justifying misleading 16 and 17 year olds.
Richt gets to 85 the right way
Saban gets to it by lying, misleading and twisting kids in the wind.
Those are the facts everywhere except in the Bama fans eyes
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
12:31 pm
And yes I am predictable, when it comes to my approach of discussing Coach Richt. Everybody knows that. You always know that I will dispute points and comments that I find to be incorrect, and I never put out any gratuitus defense of Richt that is not very speficic about a particular point. Nor do I defend or disagree with critisism of him that I believe is correct and fair.
DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
12:31 pm
Joey
I think alt’s point about Perno can be applied to Richt but we never do
Perno-7 of 11 NCAA appearances by UGA EVER
Richt-3 BCS bowls in UGA history, all under Richt
I still believe 2012 is no more excuses time in Athens. If you look at the OOC schedule, the SEC change with Mizzou replacing Bama, the set-up is there for 11-1 or 12-0 and a return to ATL.
Underachieving in 2012 would not bode well for Richt returning in 2013 IMO
Tide Rising
May 24th, 2012
12:32 pm
“There’s more. UGA, which had shown limited interest in recent months, entered the sweepstakes again — but with a catch. They offered Ward a “grayshirt scholarship,” meaning he would delay enrollment until January 2012 in order to count toward next year’s scholarship total.”
But but but dawginlex says that georgia never oversigns and then ends up offering grayshirts! He says its only after attrition that the dawgs oversign. Bullspit as this article points out.
http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-high-school-sports/2011/01/19/football-recruiting-uga-alabama-georgia-tech-and-auburn-make-late-push-for-colquitt-county-offensive-tackle-xzavier-ward/?cxntfid=blogs_georgia_high_school_sports
DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
12:37 pm
I never said we don’t offer grayshirts
Again, read this carefully, the DIFFERENCE is the kid is told up front, not offered a grayshirt after being lied and mislead into believing he would be enrolling in the fall with a regular scholarship
Tide Rising
May 24th, 2012
12:37 pm
Dawginlex and altdawg,
Sorry dudes but I just deal in facts. I just presented an article straight from the AJC where UGA did not have room in its recruiting class but went ahead and offered a grayshirt. In other words they were oversigning and it wasn’t due to any attrition. Sorry but facts are facts.
“Saban gets to it by lying, misleading and twisting kids in the wind.”
Yes. Of course. Which explains why Bama keeps reeling in no. 1 rated recruiting classes over and over. If the bullspit you just wrote had one iota of truth then word would have gotten around quickly and no recruits would be wanting to sign with Bama. And yet they keep coming and coming- much to the consternation of the lower tier programs like UGA. You know- the ones that never win national championships.
aw
May 24th, 2012
12:38 pm
Maybe he will now beat Florida more than once every 5 years. Mark has done less with more than any coach in the SEC!!!!!
Even with all the help the SEC gives them. 4th best team in the SEC playing for the SEC title last year. Pathetic!!
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
12:40 pm
Well Joey, havent never said that, it’s hard to call me on that isn”t it? If we can have that discussion, fine, but thats a completely different one.
Interesting points would be:
1. That those teams probably overachieved to BE good enough to win one.
2. Very many NC have been won by coaches who did the exact same thing.
3. How any of that is how an AD desides if he should retain the coach or not, since all of that is completely about winning NC, and only that.
The point I disputed was:
YOU said a dozen coaches would have won a National Championship with BOTH 2007 and 2008 teams.
I said , that is absolutely incorrect.
DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
12:43 pm
tide rising
Your reading comprehension skills are lacking “dude”
Richt offers grayshirts up front and honestly. Straightforward
Saban offers them as a last resort so he can say “the kid still has a scholarship”
With Richt you are dealing with an honest honorable man
With Saban you are dealing with a snake oil salesman
DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
12:43 pm
tide rising
Your reading comprehension skills are lacking “dude”
Richt offers grayshirts up front and honestly. Straightforward
Saban offers them as a last resort so he can say “the kid still has a scholarship”
With Richt you are dealing with an honest honorable man
With Saban you are dealing with a snake oil salesman
Joey
May 24th, 2012
1:00 pm
AD, reread your 12:21 post – you implied that. Yes. Even used the word. I enjoy debating you, but I’m pretty sure I am equally as rational, and possibly as smart as you.
Either way I wouldn’t imply that you aren’t rational.
“Predictable” regarding Dear Coach, but not irrational.
Lex, I never made mention of Perno – I don’t keep up with collegiate baseball much. I do know Perno has as many SEC Titles as Richt, and one a bit more recent (ouch, AD). I do hope you are right about mcGarity.
I will say I am critical of Richt but have never called for his firing – I just wish he would get the best assistants money can buy, which UGA can afford.
JB
May 24th, 2012
1:07 pm
Atltama……………..I’ll give you one specific and one fact. Richt has not won a National title in his tenure at UGA. The reasons why are blather and opinion. And you wouldn’t second guess him if you didn’t hear and read the same opinion of him on National sports shows and national print media. Everyone can’t be wrong. The million dollar question is why hasn’t he? He has a 90% approval rating a person. I would say it drops to 50% as our coach.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
1:08 pm
No, what I am telling you that I NEVER said, was something about losing to an underdog or how that affect your chances of winning NC.
But back to that other point. Suggesting that all McGarity ever wants to do is barely win 10 games and he would be dancing in the streets. That’s the, perhaps we can be a bit more rational, deal.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
1:16 pm
Damn, I written twice that I was referring to the AA Board member that told Chip after the 6-7 season, that 7-6 would be enough for UGA to keep Richt.
I said HE would dance a jig.
Also, neither one of us know how many football coaches could have won titles with UGA’s talent in ‘07 and ‘08. MY opinion is many. Your’s is none. Both speculation.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
1:17 pm
JB, to be honest friend, I really didnt follow what you were asking me there. if anything
But it’s always been a bit of a disagreement between yourself and me over this NC meme. I believe that is pretty much the over-riding factor in all of your discussion on UGA football. So I can’t really argue with you on something that you believe.
I’m just not as hung up on as some ( right or wrong). I think there are a lot of factors involved and if thats all that matters, then there are a lot of failed coaches out there every year.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
1:27 pm
Joey, obviously it’s opinion. But you can’t really use anybody actually winning a NC with that many injuries as an example, can you. If you are that convinced, would one example be easy enough to quote? I can quickly come up with real example of teams more talented, with far less injuries, not winning one. So I base my opinion on examples, history, not pure speculation.
And nobody thought 2007 was some great UGA team going into that year. Certainly not a no-brainer national championship caliber team just layed at Richt feet. They overarchieved that year TO finish as well as they did.
DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
1:30 pm
Richt did the same thing in 2002 at UGA that Meyer and Saban and spurrier and Miles did in their 2nd year at UF,UA,UF and LSU. He won the SEC.
The rest is a beauty contest
We don’t have much history of greatness in football at UGA.(SHHHH!!! don’t let the Bama guys read this)
80’s after Hershcel, we sucked. No SEc titles
90′ we just plain out sucked except for 92 and 97 but still, no SEC titles
2000’s-2 SEC titles and 4 SECCG appearances
That’s why Richt deserved a chance to improve after 2010.
but now is a different day and a different deal
That’s why I believe his time to do it is now or he never will
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
1:45 pm
UGA started the season in 2007 #13, which I think was high in some peoples view.
DAwg in Sewer
May 24th, 2012
1:55 pm
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Coach Vince Dooley
May 24th, 2012
1:57 pm
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Joey
May 24th, 2012
2:00 pm
Lex, ‘02 was a great season by anyone’s standards, but Richt’s Dawgs lost to an outmanned UF, coached by one Ron Zook.
We were ranked ahead of OSU going into the UF game. We woulda got in the Big Game with Miami.
We had no business losing that UF game. Just like in ‘07, we had no business losing to UT and SC. Just like last year, we had no business losing to Boise and Mich St. Etc. Etc. Etc.
It happens every single year.
Richt loses games he shouldn’t lose. What’s so bad is, for the past 5 years, he doesn’t beat favored teams either.
Coach Vince Dooley
May 24th, 2012
2:00 pm
All Coach Richt needs is one great recruit. Afterall, I rode Hershel Walker all the way to National Champs. So… even a below average coach can get lucky occasionally. Like Larry Munson you to say…even a broke clock is right twice a day. I was right three times with Hershel. Without Hershel, UGA is merely average.
Sally in the alley
May 24th, 2012
2:03 pm
UGA should transfer to the ACC. That way they could be conference champs every year.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
2:05 pm
Did Meyers have any business losing to Ole miss in 2008. That “should” have kept him out. Did Miles have any business losing to ARk, Ky, in 2007?
A slight difference in those 2 example is that those team were supposed to be good that year. in 2002, and 2007, Uga over acheived expectation to even BE a team that disapointed you.
Did Nick Saban have any business not winning a NC in 2010? Healthy team, Spent almost the entire year with the voter practically handing it to him. 5 first round NFL dsraft picks. Won 10 games.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
2:07 pm
And how was 2002 a great year by anyones’s standards? By a LOT of people’s standards, nothing matters but the NC.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
2:19 pm
“then there are a lot of failed coaches out there every year.”
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Yep. they just don’t get to coach the talent UGA has year in and year out.
The problem with Richt Fan Boys is they keep lowering the bar. Facts are hard to stomach, after all.
The truth is, since ‘07:
1) We haven’t beat but one favored team (Tech 09 – and that ranking was a joke).
2) We have gotten blown out in every big game.
3) We have gotten beat by Vandy, Miss State, and UK.
4) We have lost to UCF and Mich St in bowls.
5) We lost to a Colorado team so pathetic, they fired their coach before the season was over.
6) Had a losing season.
All of that, and the Fan Boys are satisfied. Me? I’d like to reach the pinnacle just once before I get satisfied with the down times.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
2:23 pm
Good try. Ole Miss in ‘08 also beat Ark, Auburn, LSU, Miss St, and #8 Texas Tech.
dawginduluth
May 24th, 2012
2:24 pm
Fire Perno for recent mediocrity but give Richt a raise for recent mediocrity? Pathetic state of affairs.
DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
2:27 pm
My point is we won the SEC in 2002 with 1 loss. Just like those other coaches did their 2nd year
He did what he was supposed to do.
that free pass was spent in 2010
Now is the time to win or move on
Joey
May 24th, 2012
2:33 pm
“By a LOT of people’s standards, nothing matters but the NC.”
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You mean like Saban’s and Myer’s standards?
Yeah, that’s probably true.
Of course, by a LOT of other peoples standards, nothing matters but that glorious 10 wins.
The Tide is rolling and nothing can stop it
May 24th, 2012
2:36 pm
The Tide is rolling and nothing can stop it
May 24th, 2012
8:51 am
And BTW, we’ll be throwing a party in Tuscaloosa to celebrate these two clowns being around longer. You guys can come if you want to. We’re paying for it with Kirby’s raise that he got as a result of turning UGA down
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
2:38 pm
Nobody that I know, or ever read.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
2:42 pm
So do you think that Ole’Miss was a better team than UF in 2008, or not?
The Tide is rolling and nothing can stop it
May 24th, 2012
2:47 pm
Tide rising,
You can’t argue with these people. Of course Richt oversigns. It’s just flat out jealously. UGA fans are alot like the occupy movement. They want what Alabama has and make up excuses to justify it. Please remember that you are dealing with a fan base that thinks…
They are a top tier program
Next year (every year) is the year
Grantham is a good coordinator (4th choice, 39 pts to ranked teams)
You have the win your division to play in the title game
Mike Bobo is the reason their defense gives up points.
Just save your typing my friend and just go for the random insults. They embarass theirselfs arguing back.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
2:47 pm
UF 2002 was preseason #6, beat #4 Tennesse (at neyland) , and #5 Georgia. Auburn, SC. How bad could they have been?
Joey
May 24th, 2012
2:52 pm
8-5. That’s how bad they were.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
2:53 pm
UF was #22 beating #5 UGA in Jacksonville, In Richt 2nd year as a HC anywhere.
Are you telling me that was a bigger upset than unranked Ole’Miss beating #4 UF, AT benHill, with Tim Tebow?
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
2:56 pm
8-4 as opposed to that powerhouse Ole’miss team at 9-4. Who lost to Vandy at home.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
3:05 pm
“Nobody that I know, or ever read.”
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Go back and read Columbus, Gary, Kerryb, TrueDawgFan, et al. Unlike Thomas Brown, I ain’t gonna do the work to get you a list. But they’re there, and just like you, love the man, no matter his statistics, no matter the losses, blowouts, unpreparedness. They all think Richt is the greatest thing since the Bear. They had to change their “10 win average, blah, blah” now that that’s out the window.
Did you ever doubt Richt? Even after the Colorado loss? UCF? Boise? Have you ever thought to yourself, “how the hell did we lose to ______?”
When was the last time you thought after a game, “dang, that Richt out coached _______?
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
3:08 pm
No tide, you CANNOT argue with people who have an at least 2nd grade reading level, IF your point is to convince them that the word “over” somehow means under or within.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
3:08 pm
I’m saying ‘08 Ole Miss was head and shoulders better than ‘02 UF, who lost a bowl game vs mediocre Michigan. Ole Miss beat the best of the SEC and the tied-for-the-best of the Big 12.
You really should leave that alone . . .
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
3:23 pm
LSU was hardly the best of the SEC that year. And appearantly Vandy was not the worse.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
3:31 pm
Um, Ole Miss did beat the best of the SEC that year.
Right?
UF?
SEC Champ?
DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
3:52 pm
Joey
The point remains the same
richt won the SEC in his 2nd year just like all the other national title coaches did
If 2002 was 2011, UGA would have played for the BCS title
Since there is no playoff, we will never know who the best team was
But of the top 3, UGA remains the only team that did not cheat to win in 2002
DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
3:53 pm
tide rolling remains the biggest idiot on the blog
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
4:07 pm
Ah. yes that does count. Uf was the 2008 SEC champs, so olMiss gets credit for beating them.
That logic just doesnt apply to the team that beat the 2002 SEC champs.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
4:09 pm
Lex, I agree with you. My point, 5 hours ago was that even Richt’s best teams lose games they shouldn’t, which kept us from the politics of the BCS.
My silly contest with AD is over semantics now, and a contest that he brings about solely because of his indignation of the most miniscule, whisper of a criticism of our Coach Richt. He starts it every time. To the hour and minute of such words.
What’s even sillier is I always preface my criticism by stating I don’t want Richt fired, I like him, etc, etc. but that matters not.
AD is a “first responder” of any slight of the Dear Coach, and he brings the thunder to the traitor who dares not support the great man.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
4:10 pm
and of the 3:05 post. You are assigning opinions to me I have never said nor thought , so where should I start?
The Tide is rolling and nothing can stop it
May 24th, 2012
4:13 pm
DawginLex
May 24th, 2012
3:53 pm
tide rolling remains the biggest idiot on the blog
There was a competition?!?
Geez, I better seperate myself from the dog pack…
Georgia’s offense is the reason they GAVE UP so many pts to ranked teams.
That should help…
Joey
May 24th, 2012
4:17 pm
I’ll debate you til doomsday that the “08 Ole Miss team was better than the ‘02 UF team, if you would like to look silly.
Ask ANYBODY who knows ANYTHING about football!
Joey
May 24th, 2012
4:19 pm
Well, “of the 3:05 post,” I noticed you didn’t answer my two questions . . .
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
4:29 pm
No joey, i didnt answer your question, becasue I reject the premise of which they are asked. YOU cannot assign opinion to me, then cvall me on it.
are you asking how happy i was to lose a ball game?
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
4:31 pm
Plus now you are simply making untrue and unfair accusation of my nature in here.
You are the one that took the Olemiss argument to the symantics, and got away from the point.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
4:35 pm
Oh, you didn’t even read them. Didn’t even mention “happy.”
Just wondering if you ever had those thoughts:
Did you ever doubt Richt? Even after the Colorado loss? UCF? Boise? Have you ever thought to yourself, “how the hell did we lose to ______?”
When was the last time you thought after a game, “dang, that Richt out coached _______?
Joey
May 24th, 2012
4:43 pm
AD, your nature on here is to attack and ridicule anyone who has questions about Richt’s performance. And that’s fine. It’s my nature to question his performance. We clash. Over and over.
I’m just the only one of you and I who admits his nature.
I am the most loyal Dawg and UGA fan that I associate with. But I have wondered about things in Athens for a few years. You apparently see Utopia.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
4:45 pm
No I read it. I think Richt’s football team has had bunches of failure. well?
Our difference is that I never really look at the Head Coach as the entire discussion in college football. I don’t think every lose is “outcoached” (which is such a cliche). I never give him total credit for winning the ball game.
So you are asking me question in a context that I do not believe.
It’s about as unfair as me asking you to give Richt credit for winning some games, or 10, because you clearly are not focused on that.
But losing to Colorado stunk. if we did that much more, he would have needed to get a new coach. isnt that obvious? I don’t know what else to tell you.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
4:55 pm
No Joey, you are trying to say that I attack you over the “the most miniscule, whisper of a criticism of our Coach Richt” and that total BS.
Go back a few hours and look. YOU said a dozen coaches would have won a NC with both our 07,08 teams.
So if you are actually going to say that was some sort of Whisper of critisism, then fine. It comes across as gratuitus blattent made up dig at Richt, but thats not what I responded to was it? I disagreed with the POINT, didnt I?
Go back and quote my attack, please .I said nothing about Richt or your slap at him. I said no coach could have done that for the following reasons. I really don;t know how to express my opinion on that specific topic any more straight foward of accurate than that.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
4:57 pm
And then you go and say that I appearantly see “Utopia”. Come on man.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
5:07 pm
I’ll leave it at this as far as the honesty level between the 2 of us in of our discussions as you put it, you go out of your way to exagerate what I say, and what I must be thinking. Sometimes quite extreme. I can give a coupel of example even today. You assign “opinion” to me, then tell me how wrong I am.
I don’t. I simple disagree with some of your actual comments, none of which you deny actually meaning. I disagree with the specific of words that you posted.
So, of the 2 of us, who is misrepresenting the others nature in here?
sprouse27
May 24th, 2012
5:09 pm
Joey, don’t let some of these folks get to you. Your criticisms / observations of CMR are correct. The man is super nice, but simply under performs given the resources he has had. He’s been at the helm for 11 years, and despite what I read in these blogs, I see nothing on the horizon that makes me think we’re about to see an epiphany in Athens. Would love for it to happen, but I sure don’t see it. We get picked to win the East not because we’re the best team in the East, but because we don’t play the West’s ‘big 3′ during the regular season and SC does. Winning 10 games means very little, when you can’t win your conference and you can’t win a BCS game…much less a BCS title. If all we want is ten wins every year, then let’s go join the MAC or the ACC. Well, maybe not the ACC. Some coaches get 100% out of 80% players, and some get 80% out of the 100% ones. CMR is unfortunately the latter. Spurrier’s quip is all the more painful because it’s true. “UGA gets all these players, but I don’t know what happens to them after that.”. Letting go of Richt might me some down years, and problems like TN has had. But I’d rather see some rough years trying to build a great team, then endless years of 8-5 mediocrity. But that’s just my opinion.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
5:10 pm
You “come on man.” Go back even further. You jumped on me first. You can’t help yourself. I never start anything with you, rather defend myself.
Go way back – I was defending Richt’s record vs Tech. Wow!
Still waiting on one tiny criticism of Richt from you . . . (crickets) . . .
Joey
May 24th, 2012
5:21 pm
sprouse27, those are excellent points I agree with you 100%. I even think it would be as simple for Richt to just be a figurehead-HC, and get the best assistants in the country, and turn things over to them, especially the offense, o-line and special teams. We can afford it, and lots of HCs do this.
His ego won’t let him do it though. And that’s why I think we will see another 10-win season with the lame schedule this season, then it will get ugly in ‘13. He will get exposed with the first tough SEC schedule since ‘08.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
5:28 pm
Why do I owe you some critisism of Richt, Joey? Go back and find them if it means that much. This was never about who does or doesnt ctitic the coaches enough. I’m not letting you change the discussion. YOU said something, I disgreed. It’s that simple.
And post My “attack”, please.
Don’t put words in my mouth. Disagree with what I say, not what you think you know I really meant to say.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
5:30 pm
“Joey, you have no idea what the AA thought of 10 wins. That’s your opinion that you are assigning to him, not his own. Now , do you actually believe that Greg McGarity thought last year was spectacular, or was settling? come on. Based on what? What evidence has he given that leads you to know that? I would bet the farm that he took it for exactly what it was, no more, no less.”
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That jog your memory?
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
5:36 pm
So THAT was attack mode In your opinion?
Of all the foul mouth, personally insulting childish post that litter these blog, That was attack? well, then I am seriously going to have to figure out how to be straight forward, direct, and non-personal, without attacking going forward.
Does it jog your memory that it was a responce to your intentionally exagerated derogatory post in the first place?
Joey
May 24th, 2012
5:43 pm
You don’t owe me jack, AD. I’ve got the stats on my side. Richt gets less with more. That’s not just my opinion.
Look at the schools that are ultra-successful in recruiting and sending players to the NFL. Guess what’s missing at UGA?
Trophies.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
5:43 pm
As I recall that quote about “improvement” it was in responce to a reporter asking multiple times for a number or some total, and the guy was simply saying.” Ive answed the question about our support of our current coach, and stop asking about what number represents a higher number than another number. What do you want me to say” or something to that affect.
And the point that you were making, using that quote was what?
Joey
May 24th, 2012
5:49 pm
“Does it jog your memory that it was a responce to your intentionally exagerated derogatory post in the first place?”
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Derogatory? Man, you better go get your nap. Compare my post with yours.
I wrote: “I disagree with Lex on the expectations put on Richt , because McGarity and the AA were tickled pink with 10 wins and a watered down East title. Never mind the bad losses in the Dome and the last 2 bowls. Couldn’t wait to get him that new contract. One of the AA board members told Chip Towers when Chip pressed him about Richt’s hot seat after the 6-7 season that, “7-6 would be an improvement.” He probably danced a jig over 10-4″
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AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
5:50 pm
Stats don’t tell you which 12 coaches in America today would have won national championhisp with our 07 and 08 teams?
That IS an opinion. I disagreed and offered examples why.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
5:51 pm
The point I was making with the board member’s quote was telling Lex that the UGA AA is fine with Richt, and that Richt would get to serve his term, while Lex said it was basically win this year or be gone for Richt.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
5:53 pm
That wasn’t derogatory? Ok. Forget the word. I meant that it was purposely meant to portray a negative point about somebody or a situation. Whatever a better word for that is.
Tell me how you intended that then.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
5:55 pm
My stats tell me Richt is 0-11 in getting a BCSCG invite. That with at least 3 teams as talented as any in the country.
My stats also tell me we are 0-2 in our most recent bowls.
Want some more stats?
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
5:57 pm
Here is what I suspect. and this is opinion. That if YOU were that guy, and in that situation, you would have given a pretty similar responce to that line of questioning.
And My point to my “attack” was that you really can’t assign what you know people think, or what they want, based on a soundbite taken out of context.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
5:58 pm
If you have some 12 coaches in American that you can’t give any example of, stats, which is what I disagreed about, then sure, lay em on me.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
6:03 pm
Poking fun at a couple of board members – I didn’t call them “irrational” or such, just paraphrased some of their comments. Their actual quotes can be found below.
http://blogs.ajc.com/uga-sports-blog/2011/05/27/georgia-football-coach-mark-richt-has-full-support-of-adams-mcgarity-athletic-board/
Wait a minute!!
AD, is your real name Bob Bishop?
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
6:05 pm
BTW, I disagreew with Lex too. I do believe there is an outcome that could potentially end his days at UGA, but I do not believe there is any sort of “gone unless this happens” as he is suggesting at times.
AltamahaDawg
May 24th, 2012
6:10 pm
of cource, just funning a bit at board there.
Joey
May 24th, 2012
6:13 pm
Steve Spurrier, Urban Myer, Nick Saban, Les Miles, Paul Johnson, Chris Peterson, Bob Stoops, Mike Gundy, Gary Patterson, Chip Kelly, Dana Horgorsen, Mark Dantonio
Joey
May 24th, 2012
6:17 pm
Gotta go, regretfully. To be continued.
Fools Gold
May 24th, 2012
6:24 pm
Ah look at the lonely sheeple. Where do they all come from? Richt won mostly with Donnan players and thats a fact. This year will be another year of Fools Gold……Book it!
AltamahaDawg
May 25th, 2012
8:34 am
All very good coaches. Fine group of coaches. If we had to hire somebody that is a great short list. I never asked for a list of good coaches though. I asked for an example of just ONE coach to have won a NC with an actual team with even half the injuries on both sides of the line.
Would have to have beat THAT Florida team (and the rest of the schedule). And THAT Alabama team, twice. Then THAT Oklahoma. With a team in the shape we were in.
I dont think so.
AltamahaDawg
May 25th, 2012
11:02 am
Although its pretty questionable if Paul Johnson could have even won AS many games with that team.
And How is your respect so great for Mark Dantonio that you call him a………… would have won back to back NC’s here, coach……….., but so disappointed that we lost to his top 10 team in triple overtime, that it insulted you the AD didnt shut down the ongoing contract talk at the time.
All those others (including Saban) have also proven just how easily they can NOT win a NC, if the pieces don’t fall in place, which they clearly did not in 2008.