Looks like big changes coming from SEC presidents on over-signing issue

DESTIN, FLA. – UGA’s Michael Adams and most of the other SEC presidents emerged very tight-lipped about what took place during their 3 1/2- hour meeting Thursday. But the comments of one president indicate some major changes are about to take place regarding roster management in football.

The SEC presidents will vote on several items of legislation before them in their final meeting Friday morning. Thursday afternoon they debated amongst themselves and Thursday night they will huddle with their respective athletic directors one last time.

The main issue on the table is whether to cut or further restrict the number of football players SEC teams can sign to scholarships each February. Currently that number is 28.

“There was vigorous discussion and debate on that,” said South Carolina President Harris Pastides. “I couldn’t predict that one, I really can’t. I’m going to speak to my athletic director about that tonight and I have heard from a lot of people about that. But again, I think what’s good for the SEC ought to be good for the nation and vice versa. I think it can be awkward to have one rule over here and another rule in another conference.”

Pastides’ football coach, Steve Spurrier, signed 32 players this past February and told two commitments they would not have room in the signing class. Pastides declined to provide details over the presidents’ debate but indicated they are considering more restrictions.

“I think most of the discussion was around if we go first and we do something that is viewed as restrictive and conservative, would that be a challenge to the rest of the country and the other leagues?,” he said. “Or might we be left out there as the only league? We decided to do what we felt was best for the college athlete and I think that’s how we’ll vote tomorrow.

“We’d love the SEC to play a lead role in doing to right thing,” he said. “But we would hope the NCAA would adopt whatever we do. I think that’s what our ADs and our coaches are hung on. They don’t want us to be so far out in front that we’re the only league that clamps down on that. So we’re interested in seeing parity relative to what happens in the nation on that particular topic.”

Adams parroted most of the other SEC presidents in refusing to comment on the internal debate.

“I’m not going to have any comment on anything; nobody’s going to say anything today,” Adams said. “We talked about things today. I assume there will be decisions made tomorrow.”

A reporter jokingly asked, “What would you suggest a reporter write on a meeting you’re unwilling to comment about?”

“I would suggest you guys go rent a beach chair and get a beer and wait until tomorrow,” Adams said with a laugh.

45 comments Add your comment

Joey

June 2nd, 2011
7:28 pm

Don’t particularly like Adams, but that is a good retort to a question, and one that needed to be asked.

Uuugh...

June 2nd, 2011
7:54 pm

Agreed. Adams is a schmuck…but there is no need in the SEC restricting over-signing if the other leagues can keep doing it. If they do restrict it, as long as the NCAA follows suit–even 2 years later, the SEC will remain the dominant league.

The question is…how long will it take Nick Saban to find another Medical Hardship type of loophle to exploit? Surely the Alabama President will be against any and all restrictions unless said loophole has already been identified!

51WTGW50

June 2nd, 2011
8:02 pm

Imagine that a UGA guy Saying go have a DRINK and wait. i guess he has learned a lot during the tailgating in Athens. Get Drunk and Wait until something happens.
Hell the SEC doesn’t want to be a LEADER or RISK taker. What a bunch of chickens..t pseudo politicians these guys are. Do what is right for the Student Athlete and show so integrity.

JAWJeRDAWG

June 2nd, 2011
8:25 pm

Do you get any feeling, Chip, on whether the Presidents will impose an SEC reduction on the recruiting cap or rather just let the NCAA introduce one for all conferences?

Do you think that oversigning will really be addressed nationally? Just wondering what your thoughts are. .. Go Dawgs!

Texas Baller

June 2nd, 2011
9:07 pm

Jughead is a pretty funny guy, huh? Reductions coming…like it or not. There always has…and always will be workarounds however. Go Mavs!

trupert

June 2nd, 2011
9:11 pm

Most other leagues are not oversigning and the Big 10, already has rules against it. It takes place but it’s not nearely as prevalent with other conferences as it is in the SEC.

I hope they do the right thing and change the rules, because the majority of the coaches in the SEC won’t change their ways unless they are forced to.

Lakedawg

June 2nd, 2011
9:43 pm

The Bama president and AD are working on thin ice here. Saban might dispose of both of them if he does not get his way.

Saban the nonintellectual

June 2nd, 2011
9:56 pm

Considering the SEC is by far the most guilty on over signing who cares about the nation? Clean up the SEC’s oversigning also clears up most of the national oversigning with a very few exceptions like Oregon.

possibly misinformed

June 2nd, 2011
10:04 pm

Thought I had an original comment, then I saw Trupert above. He’s right. The Big10 already has restrictions in place that keep oversigning from happening. Not sure how the SEC bigheads think they can possibly lead the way in reform.

Stud

June 2nd, 2011
10:17 pm

ealey gets to run over one sec foe this year.

Dawg48

June 2nd, 2011
10:18 pm

It’s all about the MONEY!!!!!!!

IMO

June 2nd, 2011
10:19 pm

IMO…..
The SEC has so many oversignings b/c so many of the athletes that sign with SEC schools are just that….Athletes, with very little emphasis on the “student” part. Look how many poor, impoverished, uneducated towns there are all over the SEC’s primary recruiting states.

Top that with the fact that darn near 100% of these athletes have the belief that he’ll make it “to the league” and you see where the need to attend classes comes from……

LakeDawg

June 2nd, 2011
10:55 pm

Guess its time for Saban to make his way back to the NFL.

Coach Grohbo

June 2nd, 2011
11:19 pm

We’ll find out soon who actually runs things at the SEC universities.

My money is still on the head coaches.

Expect a big proclamation, new guidelines, but only selective enforcement…and only in situations where such enforcement will not interfere with a big payday.

It’s the SEC way.

AlaskaDawg

June 2nd, 2011
11:19 pm

Money is an issue, but it is time to make a statement in support of student athletes.

Dirty Dawg

June 3rd, 2011
2:49 am

I’m surprised that the SC guy didn’t just say…’gee I don’t know for sure how I feel…what did Coach Steve tell you guys?’

Stinger2

June 3rd, 2011
3:27 am

The Presidents will vote as advised by their respective AD`s.
My guess is there will be changes that appear to be more restrictive. However, the enforcement part will determine how effective the
changes will be. That remains to be seen.

1962 Dawg

June 3rd, 2011
5:51 am

The SEC already has rules against oversigning. The enforcement of them should be what is discussed in these meetings.
Why make more rules when enforcement is the problem?

Saban

June 3rd, 2011
5:53 am

I would not matter if Richt signed a 100 a year. Just another wing at Clarke County Correctional.

Boise State 66 Dawgs 6

It Ain't Rocket Science

June 3rd, 2011
7:02 am

Saban,

Is your stupidity a result of your upbringing or did you go to a local school to acquire it. Man, you post some of the stupidest stuff posted on these blogs. If you have an intelligent thought and could actually express it in a meaningful way, perhaps people would think you are actually a mature person. Your post however, seem to dispute that fact loudly each time you post.

NOBODYYOUKNOW

June 3rd, 2011
7:45 am

I admire CMR for bringing the issue of oversigning up. I know its easy to criticize a coach because of the high salaries they get, but look at the pressure those guys are under. And what issue does Spurrer bring up? Paying the players. Gee, What a shock.

Trojan

June 3rd, 2011
7:59 am

Why don’t someone just come out and say, “this is because of Saban’s unethical practice of oversigning.”?

Coach Grohbo

June 3rd, 2011
8:11 am

Because it is not just Saban who is doing it.

It is the majority of the SEC, including the top six teams from last year.

It Ain't Rocket Science

June 3rd, 2011
8:45 am

I don’t think this is an exclusive Saban issue. Seems to me, that the coach at Arkansas is on record as saying he over signs every year. He believes in it, as he says. I don’t think that Saban is quite that bad. He does kind of set himself up for criticism by not revealing the scholarship total of Alabama. If you have nothing to hide, why hide it?

ATLBadger

June 3rd, 2011
8:54 am

foolish

June 3rd, 2011
9:21 am

for SABAN, SPURRIER and the rest of the SEC clowns to tell an 18 yr old kid, oops sorry there isn’t any room for you afterall, see ya would not want to be ya, is a SHAMEFUL DISGRACE. And for floors me in all this, these coaches have NO SHAME about whatsoever. THIS is not better in my eyes, in fact worse, than anything Tressel and the rest of the nation do. But shame on SLIVE ball for letting it happen.

It Ain't Rocket Science

June 3rd, 2011
9:31 am

ATL Badger,

Pretty interesting article. Somewhat better policy in that a university can not over sign by more than 3 members for the scholarships available. There sure are a lot of different rules as applies to this around the country though it would seem. Perhaps the NCAA could come out with a more specific rule that would apply to all schools.

Chip Towers

June 3rd, 2011
9:35 am

ATLBadger: Great link on Big Ten’s over-signing rules. Thanks for sharing. I think there’s a chance the SEC may adopt something similar.

Chip Towers

June 3rd, 2011
9:36 am

JAWJeRDAWG: I get the feeling there’s going to be some significant changes.

Uuugh

June 3rd, 2011
9:39 am

One point made here and in the Badger article is that this is not just a Saban Problem. At least Saban finds creative ways to cut those non-performers to make room for new ones. If Houston Nutt could find 50 or 100 kids to sign with Ole Miss–he would sign every one of them! That clown really crosses the line. Petrino too. I think the Micromanager coaches like Saban and Petrino like to have more kids than scholarships as a constant threat to keep kids working hard.

I thought I read somewhere that Richt’s scholarship offers are good for all 4 years regardless of performance–the opposite end of the spectrum form Saban and Petrino.

There has to be a middle ground between those Jackals and the Saint.

Dr. Phil

June 3rd, 2011
9:44 am

There must be legal issues here. When a player signs with a school, he can’t unsign and go to another school unless the first school releases him. In the past, when an athlete signed, the school had to honor the scholarship, if the player were injured or, in some cases, just quit the team. Have these rules changed in some way? A verbal committment is meaningless for both parties, but once a player signs, I thought that was a binding contract.

Uuugh

June 3rd, 2011
9:45 am

Science…another blogger in that article brought up verbal offers. It sounds like there is no limit on thosed and OSU had something like 30 or 35 verbal offers out there. There is always a way around the rules.

It Ain't Rocket Science

June 3rd, 2011
9:56 am

Uuuugh,

For sure there will be. But I don’t think realistically that a coach that puts out 35 or more verbal offers really expects to have that many respond favorably for his school, and if they do, then they need to do something about it.
I am sure if they really believed in the student/athlete as a whole, a lot of offers would not be out there. How about, not being able to offer a verbal, unless the kid is already academically qualified by standards set by the NCAA. Just think how that would help some JUCOS raise their status for a couple of years. Of course, that would probably leads to a mass offering campaign if the kid qualified late or worse even, the schools would actually have to wait for the kid to be a senior in high school. Might be fun though, to see what happened then.

PMC

June 3rd, 2011
9:57 am

I’m in favor of Coach Dooley’s proposed Idea, that once the player is on campus, he counts against the number, and just cap that number at 28.

PMC

June 3rd, 2011
9:58 am

There are plenty of college programs that play football in the world. There’s no reason some kid needs to sit out a year because he wasn’t valueable enough to be one of the sacred 25.

It Ain't Rocket Science

June 3rd, 2011
10:22 am

PMC,

Lot’s of football programs, but only a limited number of them offer a chance at the NFL. Let’s face it, most of the football players did not come for the education. If the pool is diluted too much, you could end up with an all American out of high school, playing for a team that has no line, say for instance for a running back, or a schools coach that emphasizes running, and has an all American candidate for a WR, that couldn’t get into the school where his talents would be better utilized.

vinny ocean

June 3rd, 2011
10:27 am

chip please tell me you’re still doing recruiting too

Mean Machine

June 3rd, 2011
10:34 am

The issue should not be whether a school can sign 28 vs. 25. The problem is how the coach arrives at that number. “Medical disqualifications” and other excuses for cutting a player already on scholarship to make room for the new recruits is what needs to be examined. A third party should examine each individual case to determine if what the coach is claiming is legitimate. That way it is an even playing field, rather than certain coaches that lack integrity (we all know who they are) being able to use it as a tool for roster management. As for greyshirting, it’s fine as long as the kid is told up front that he will have to wait until January to sign.

jarvis

June 3rd, 2011
10:35 am

Nick Saban will leave Alabama in the next 2 years. He was adamantly against doing the right thing, and he comes off as a guy that will take his ball and go home if he doesn’t get his way.

Paul N Destin

June 3rd, 2011
10:58 am

You UGA folks make me laugh with your Saban envy! You deserve Richt.

DOUBLE G

June 3rd, 2011
11:24 am

And, Paul N Destin, you’re a joke. You won’t argue the facts of this discussion, so you try something different. Here’s a suggestion – if you don’t have anything to add to the discussion, then just don’t say anything. Do you understand english? Or do you only speak bama.

jarvis

June 3rd, 2011
11:28 am

You Alabama people make me laugh with your teeth envy.

Uuugh

June 3rd, 2011
12:07 pm

It Ain't Rocket Science

June 4th, 2011
6:48 am

Paul in Destin,

It is not envy, trust me. We just feel all of the coaches should follow the rules, and now it appears that will be an easier thing to do. Maybe some coaches will still find a way around it, but I think it is going to be a little bit harder now.

bigdawg88

June 6th, 2011
10:53 am

Interesting story in the vols paper about recruiting services. TN spent about $390K since 2008, but UGA only spent $39K since 2009. Granted, UGA doesn’t need to look out of state for talent, but I would think being able to view videos of the recruits beforehand would give you a leg up. Maybe that’s why AL and the other schools are getting a jump on OUR athletes. Maybe we need to spend a little more to get film on these guys before their senior seasons.
Is there a big advantage by using recruiting service films? Doesn’t say what UF spends, but I bet it’s more than we do.

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2011/jun/05/derek-dooley-closely-monitors-spending-scouting-se/