‘Not to slam the others,’ but Colorado insists it was consensus champ over Tech in ‘90
One week after playing in a loud, lively, cowbell-clanging stadium in Starkville, Miss., Georgia expects to find another charged environment in Boulder, Colo.
In conjunction with the Georgia-Colorado game at Folsom Field on Saturday, the Buffaloes will celebrate the 20th anniversary of, as Colorado puts it, “the 1990 consensus national championship team.”
After the 1990 season, Colorado finished No. 1 in the Associated Press poll and Georgia Tech No. 1 in the United Press International poll. Both schools can rightfully claim national championships for that year.
But Colorado insists it was the “consensus” champion, explaining its position at length in a media release previewing this week’s game against, ironically, Tech’s arch-rival:
Now apparently, our use of the word “consensus” upsets a few folks around the country. It’s not to slam the others, but rather to strengthen CU’s case for that season since many point to the Fifth Down game or the clip on Raghib Ismail’s punt return in the Orange Bowl and say our title is tainted. But fact is fact; at the time nine (*) basic postseason polls were recognized as determining a unanimous or consensus national champion; Colorado topped six of those: *Associated Press, *FWAA (Football Writers Association of America), *National Football Foundation/College Football Hall of Fame (MacArthur Trophy), *USA Today-CNN, *Sporting News and *Football News; Georgia Tech won the *United Press International poll (by 1 point) and Miami, Fla., the *Sagarin and *New York Times computer ratings. In the NCAA Record book listing for 1990, it shows 19 different groups that declared a national champion; 11 voted outright for Colorado and three each for Georgia Tech and Miami; one (National Championship Foundation) split it between CU and Tech, and another (FACT, a computer ranking) voted for four, including Washington.
Got all that?
Anyway, Colorado expects to have at least 73 players from its 1990 team in attendance for two days of 20th-anniversary festivities Friday and Saturday. Bill McCartney, the Buffaloes’ head coach in ‘90, and five of his assistants will be on hand. The ‘90 team will be honored at halftime of Saturday’s game, which is expected to draw a sellout crowd.
“It looks like they’re going to be revved up,” Georgia coach Mark Richt said. “Plus they had an open date [last week] to get all fired up about it, too.”
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K
September 30th, 2010
5:15 am
B>>>S>>>>
Sourgrapes
September 30th, 2010
5:21 am
This week, I’m actually rooting for the Dawgs. Beat the snot out of them.
TheTaxJacket
September 30th, 2010
5:28 am
*** Nesbitt for Heismen ***
(((( 45 – 42 ))))
TheTaxJacket
September 30th, 2010
5:30 am
(((( 1990 > 1980 ))))
Glory, glory to the Jackets, their truth is marching on!!!
Dean
September 30th, 2010
5:41 am
Do they think they are sticking it to Tech by celebrating it when UGA is playing them? Geez, if you need such a statement as to why you are national champions then I guess you didn’t really win it on the field. This will be one wierd game where I will want to beat them hard to show them football is better in Georgia and in a odd way, support Tech’s NC claim. Truly, for all of Georgia, go Georgia!
JB
September 30th, 2010
5:42 am
We were consensus and you weren’t but yours is “greater”? I thought yellow maggots were supposed to be good in math?
That said, how bout this math, 8 of the last 9.
HBTD!!!
Richard Tardits
September 30th, 2010
6:10 am
Certainly not siding with Tech but didn’t Colorado get 5 downs to win a game that year? I hope those officials aren’t in Boulder on Saturday though it currently feels like we need 5 downs to score ourselves.
trupert
September 30th, 2010
6:10 am
A.J. Green will catch three, TD’s that is. Ga will need to open up the offense in every game.
A.J. broke a rule and then was punished much more than many others that broke the same rule. Colorado get’s to pay first. Go Dawgs.
Snellville Jacket
September 30th, 2010
6:13 am
All I know is that the crystal football from the 1990 season now resides in the Edge Center at the northeast corner of Bobby Dodd Stadium in Atlanta. Enough said – GO JACKETS!!!
gomdawg
September 30th, 2010
6:16 am
How cold is it going to be ? any body knows.
Rich
September 30th, 2010
6:27 am
Hey TaxJacket – it’s Heisman not Heismen…..
Gordon
September 30th, 2010
6:40 am
There was one team in 1990 that was undefeated. It wasn’t Colorado. They lost a game, tied a game, and won another game because the referee couldn’t count to four. The coaches voted Tech #1. The very next year, Washington and Miami shared a national championship. LSU has since won a national championship without winning the AP Poll.
There is not a team in America that wouldn’t claim what Tech did as a national championship. If UGA had done the same thing, they would claim it (and I’m sure Tech people would say the same things UGA people do now).
Dap02
September 30th, 2010
6:48 am
If the Colorado coach, “Mr. Promise Keeper” Bill McCartney would have had any balls, he would have forfeited the game to Mizzou. Candy ass.
I wish both teams could lose this game. Hate ‘em both equally.
lance
September 30th, 2010
6:50 am
CO was the Champ in 1990 w/o a doubt. Tech could have used the Citrus bowls “opt out clause” to play in a National Championship game but they decided to play a very weak Nebraska team instead knowing they would get a co-championship if they won. That is not speculation – cold hard facts. Any team that decides NOT to play in a championship game should not be the overall champion. Sorry Tech but you are #2 in 1990 and do not bring up the 5th down because mistakes are made by refs in every game. That is irrelevant to the matter.
NC Dawg
September 30th, 2010
6:56 am
who gives a f*ck?
college is forever
September 30th, 2010
6:59 am
http://www.collegelunchboxes.com That 1990 team was very overrated and very lucky. Mizzou beat them fair and square and the Buffs know it. With that being said Let’s Go Dawgs and redeem yourselves and beat the Buffaloe’s. Show some Pride.
O'Leary
September 30th, 2010
7:00 am
JB – a true loser idiot. Get ready for another beatdown.
Cracker Jacket
September 30th, 2010
7:03 am
HBTD – OK, what about them? Losers is what I see.
Dap02
September 30th, 2010
7:04 am
Right Lance. Just last Saturday I saw four or five games where the refs gave the winning team a fifth down to score the winning touchdown after they’d been stopped on fourth down. Happens all the time, right?
Irrelevant to you maybe. Total lack of character and sportsmanship by McCartney and U of C. Guys a fraud just like Bishop Eddie.
Bob LaBlah
September 30th, 2010
7:08 am
I’m pretty sure a buffalo can stomp the crap out of a fat, little slobbering, wheezing dog that sits on a bag of ice.
We get 5 downs to score
September 30th, 2010
7:13 am
BOVINE SCATOLOGY!!! NO ONE should get 5 downs!!! NO ONE! PATHETIC!
Joe
September 30th, 2010
7:15 am
Lance is an idiot – Co deserved another loss and everyone with half a brain knows it. I can’t stand UGA but will be pulling for them this weekend!
BKB
September 30th, 2010
7:16 am
If more than one male with the last name of Heisman is in the room, are they referred to as ‘Heismen’?
We get 5 downs to score
September 30th, 2010
7:18 am
And don’t forget, Colorado lost to Illinois in 1990.
Jacketman
September 30th, 2010
7:21 am
Never thought I’d say this about any team, but “5 Down CU” deserves it—GO DAWGS! KICK THEIR 5 DOWN A$$E$!!!
Run, ealey, Run
September 30th, 2010
7:28 am
So what.
BankerDawg
September 30th, 2010
7:28 am
Can someone enlighten me as to what the Citrus Bowl “opt out clause” was?
Never heard of that before.
Rest assured, if my Dawgs had gone 11-0-1 and pounded Nebraska in a bowl game (I don’t particularly care what the name of the bowl was), I would be touting 1990 as a National Championship season as well.
And yes, while refs typically make mistakes around a phantom hold, clip, etc, I would say giving a team an extra down kind of qualifies as “atypical”, no?
Anyway, Lord I sure hope we get a complete game out of our guys and win in Boulder.
GOOOOOOOOOOOO DAWGS!
SatchelBuzz
September 30th, 2010
7:34 am
Lance,….did you just make that crap up? You’re an idiot.
THWG!!!
Burdell
September 30th, 2010
7:39 am
Whip ‘em good for us Dawgs!!!
We’ll try to right the ship in Winston-Salem. GO JACKETS!!!
MastersJacket
September 30th, 2010
7:40 am
The one person in the country that would know which team was better was the one coach whose team played GT and CU – that was Nebraska’s Tom Osborne. He said that GT was clearly the better team and deserved the MNC.
Dap02
September 30th, 2010
7:42 am
BankerDawg speaks the truth. Lance speaks with forked tongue.
Buffaloe should be slaughtered for the good of the people.
So this week……..Go Dawgs!!
gadawgs
September 30th, 2010
7:42 am
Lance…Really? As much as I hate Tech (and ;believe me that’s alot) Colorado did not deserve to be there. If they do not get the extra down (according to you Lance it happens all of the time) they would not have scored. As much as it pains me to say this Tech should not have had to share anything with them that year. i’m just keeping it real….
UGA Fan
September 30th, 2010
7:45 am
Who gives a crap.. (1990) that was 20 years ago. Stop living in the past- We’ll kick your a@@ CU! wait and see.
dawg1
September 30th, 2010
7:48 am
Why bring GT into this anyway?It has nothing to do with UGA.
Dawg_Mike
September 30th, 2010
7:49 am
Yawn.
Ok, Colorado, if you want to try something really novel, why don’t you schedule the North Avenue Trade School and settle it on the damn field.
Maybe Tech can get Ball to come back and play QB-He can’t count to 4 either.
Dawg_Mike
September 30th, 2010
7:50 am
dawg1- it gives the maggots something to blog about since their site might have 10 hits a day…they feel lonely.
Bamafan
September 30th, 2010
7:52 am
Clearly the Colorado folks feel inadequate. They won the AP title. The fact that they feel the need to call their title “consensus” when it was not just shows how pitiful Colorado football has become.
1990 is one of those years when the title was not consensus.
ramblingbuzz
September 30th, 2010
7:53 am
Geez there is some common sense among the Dawg bloggers after all. Except for Lance. Interesting that he should invent a mythical “opt out” clause. As I recall there was not an established MNC game in 1990. The teams went to which ever bowl game they got invited to play in. And if you didn’t want to play in that particular game, it was just tough.
Brock
September 30th, 2010
7:54 am
From a jacket fan- Dawgs, please go west young men and kick the ever lovin crap out of those cheaters.
Too Easy
September 30th, 2010
7:55 am
UGA Fan
About the same number of people that give a crap about 1980. That was 30 years ago. Stop living in the past.
Brock
September 30th, 2010
7:56 am
but watch out for those 5 downs that seem to happen all the time. LOL
Big Al
September 30th, 2010
7:58 am
I remember it well. Ga Tech and Colorado as co-national champions. It was a really, really bad year for college football.
reebok
September 30th, 2010
8:01 am
Tech fan here – Hey Dawgs – Do me a favor…Go out there and CRUSH these guys!! Thanks!!!!
Jingle Dingle
September 30th, 2010
8:02 am
It is amazing what you can accomplish with 5 DOWNS..
GTJeff
September 30th, 2010
8:03 am
Colorado is the least deserving NC in the history of college football. They basically had to cheat not once, but TWICE to win two of their games & tied & lost another. Let them have what they want. They’ve been crying about that bs for 20 years. That one vote difference in the coaches poll was due to Tom Osborne. Coach of the Nebraska Cornhuskers. He played both teams & stated Georgia Tech was clearly the better team. Remember you losers had to rally late in the 4th quarter after trailing 12-0 to beat the Huskers. We demolished them 45-21 in the Citrus.
And for all of you Colorado fans, where is your AFCA National Championship Trophy? You know the crystal ball that is hoisted by the winner of the BCS NC now? The symbolic trophy of the FBS National Champion? Oh thats right you didn’t get one, Georgia Tech got that one in 1990 (also known as the coaches trophy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFCA_National_Championship_Trophy
Ed
September 30th, 2010
8:03 am
Tech fans never play the IF game, it makes you look stupid. You won the championship. Who cares what another university says?
Fair and Balanced
September 30th, 2010
8:04 am
Who cares who won the NC in 1990? What is important is who is going to win on Saturday. If GA does not win on Saturday (and I would suspect the odds-makers don’t think they will) the season will be a fulfillment of the poor leadership of CMR actually predicting the possibility of things getting worse. Self-fulfilling prophecies in the negative ought to result in the firing of the man. This is the poorest leadership ever!
1980 Dawg
September 30th, 2010
8:04 am
I think GT has a legitimate claim to the 1990 National Championship but it aggravates me when the buzzheads equate that to the 1980 UGA champions who were undefeated, untied, featured one of the best running backs to ever play college football, and finished the season Number 1 in EVERY poll. I realize Tech has lots of math classes but I’m not sure they teach English that well if their students and supporters can’t understand UNANIMOUS vs. CONSENSUS. (Maybe at Tech they only teach English as a second language)
Our 1980 team will be honored at the Idaho St. game later this year and we’ll have a heck of a party the night before. Go Dogs!
GTJeff
September 30th, 2010
8:04 am
Oh & one last thought…
GO DAWGS! I hope you rebound with a vengence this week & destroy these posers on their home turf!!!
GTJeff
September 30th, 2010
8:05 am
I’ve never thought that 1980 NC was not legit. Hell, I have the commemorative 1980 Coke bottle & the 1990 Coke bottle sitting on my TV stand at home.
HAHAHA
September 30th, 2010
8:08 am
Big Al
Same could be said for 1980. And what is the deal with the new AD canceling the Oregon series? I love his so-called reasoning behind it. “I have a different strategy that Damon Evans.” AKA, “I am canceling to gauranteed losses!!” Oregon would work UGA.
lanier
September 30th, 2010
8:09 am
Screw Colorado the ball says it all
1980 Dawg
September 30th, 2010
8:13 am
As for Too Easy’s comment about living in the past, it is fun to remember how special that year was but I agree that it’s time to put another trophy in the Butts-Mehre building. As tough as this year has been so far, I think UGA’s program is closer to winning another championship than GT. Playing in the SEC is tough but if a team gets the job done in-conference they’ll most likely be playing for a championship.
jo
September 30th, 2010
8:15 am
wow, a school gets 5 downs to win, totally illegal and they are the consensus what? cheats…yes? champs I think not.
Too Easy
September 30th, 2010
8:18 am
Agreed 1980 Dawg. That was a great team. I still love seeing the highlights of Hershel running over people and Munson’s call – “a freshman, my god a freshman” or something like that.
I’ve said it before, no doubt the SEC is the best conference in CFB, but it’s top heavy, you have to admit that. And I’d agree, UGA is closer than GT. If you want to get right down to it, I’m surprised whenever GT beats UGA. It really shouldn’t ever happen, but it’s fun every blue moon when it does.
Yeller Skeeters are Peter Eaters!!!!
September 30th, 2010
8:18 am
Great. Another super-charged venue + high altitude problems= another UGA loss.
Stewert Mandel
September 30th, 2010
8:20 am
In all my travels, I’m not sure I’ve ever come across a fan base whose self-perception is so far from reality. Georgia fashions itself a national power in the vein of Ohio State, USC, et. al., based primarily off one glorious three-year run 30 years ago with Herschel Walker (and some kick-butt years in the 1940s)
WE TUCK N RUN THIS STATE
September 30th, 2010
8:21 am
Lance. Get your head out of your a$$ buddy. There was never any opt out clause that you speak of and there was no Nat’l Championship Game back then of which you speak. Just another jealous idiot who can’t accept that his own team is in decline. Go snuggle with mommy and let her rock you to sleep with stories of Herchel and his shiny new car that was bought for him…
layinlow
September 30th, 2010
8:26 am
An honorable school would have forfeited that 5th down game against Missouri. It was known to have happened two other times in history and both schools forfeited the win and gave it to the other school. But not the scumbags from Colorado. I’m a UGA fan and even I have to admit that is BS and I only recognize Tech as national champions. And working in Tech’s favor is the fact that a lot of fans and media feel the way I do. The biggest shame is Tech should have played Notre Dame in the Orange bowl instead of the cheaters. In a way the whole thing is screwed up because one school cheated and the other was forced to play in the citrus bowl. I do have to admit that Tech not playing in a major bowl does take away from their championship somewhat. But I guess there was nothing Tech could do about it.
Sharkman
September 30th, 2010
8:31 am
1990??? This is 2010 right?
CGA
September 30th, 2010
8:33 am
UGA fans need to quit worrying about TECH’s 1990 National Championship (which they DID earn) and start worrying about their own current team. Your team hasn’t won a championship in 30 years. How many championships have your SEC rivals like Florida and Alabama won in that same time period?
Russ, the Temporary Mascot
September 30th, 2010
8:34 am
I hear they got a bull for a mascot out there. Weirdest critter you ever saw. It has a big hump on its back and horns. You can bet your bippy I won’t be out there clowning around with him. At least I probably won’t need an ice-filled cushion to nap on during the game.
Colorado Football?
September 30th, 2010
8:35 am
Why now, twenty years after the fact? Pathetic!
Pete
September 30th, 2010
8:40 am
Note: Georgia Tech beat Nebraska that year 45-21 (by 24 points). Colorado beat Nebraska 27-12 (by 15 points).
Note to Richt, Colorado will be wearing all black.
September 30th, 2010
8:40 am
Just sayin
chris o bomb
September 30th, 2010
8:43 am
pathetic… we won the coaches and the sagirin which were 2ofthe top three polls back then.
colorado… well at least you recycle well.
UGA… next week’s blog will trash Ga State? haha
pathetic…
Jack
September 30th, 2010
8:43 am
Consensus at what? They don’t get that 1/2 of 2 is 1? Several championships have been” split” over the years. But what is obvious is this–
the voting was biased and rigged back then. How a team can have a loss, should have had another loss against missouri but was given 5 downs to score AND gets a non existent clipping call at the end of their game(3 losses) a nat champ is a joke. Oh and GT destroys Nebraska and tom osborne says they were the best team he played all year.
D Gator
September 30th, 2010
8:44 am
Miami would have whipped both of them. CU played a tougher schedule, while GT played a Boise State schedule that year.
gtu lies & cheats
September 30th, 2010
8:46 am
All of gtu’s MNC’s are tainted, they have never, never NEVER won an AP national championship. Everyone knows that the rest of the MNC votes carry less weight than the AP.
THWGT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stewart speaks the truth!!
September 30th, 2010
8:46 am
In all my travels, I’m not sure I’ve ever come across a fan base whose self-perception is so far from reality. Georgia fashions itself a national power in the vein of Ohio State, USC, et. al., based primarily off one glorious three-year run 30 years ago with Herschel Walker (and some kick-butt years in the 1940s
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/09/29/mailbag/index.html#ixzz11157WuTa
gtu lies & cheats
September 30th, 2010
8:48 am
Oh and by the way, gtu did not even play in a major bowl that year, that is how much respect they recieved nationally. Weak, weak, weak that is what gtu is and always has been.
THWGT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cobb jacket
September 30th, 2010
8:51 am
Sick em dawgs!!!!! And just to be clear, if they somehow manage to f**k up the 20th anniversary celebration, will the refs give them another shot at it? Worst call in the history of college football with the worst result of all time. And the worst example of sportsmanship from Colorado. Echo what a previous poster said, McCartney is one of the biggest hypocrites of all time. Wrapped himself up in the bible all the while recruiting gang members and thugs for his team, one of which actually knocked up his daughter. Cheating hypocrite.
Ray Ray Goff
September 30th, 2010
8:54 am
UGA IS 2-7 IN THE LAST 9 SEC GAMES.
UGA IS 10-11 IN THE LAST SEC EAST GAMES.
I WILL COME BACK FOR $3.2 MILLION PER YEAR AND YOU CAN
DEDUCT $200,000 PER PLAYER JAILED EACH YEAR.
WE WILL WORK HARDER TO GET BETTER.
BobDog
September 30th, 2010
8:55 am
SOMEONE GOING OUT TO THE GAME IN COLORADO NEEDS TO STOP BY THE TECH CAMPUS, PICK UP THAT CRYSTAL FOOTBALL, AND TAKE IT TO THE RIGHTFUL OWNERS IN BOULDER, COLORADO.
dawgfan
September 30th, 2010
8:56 am
They were both a fraud. I find Colorado’s attempt to claim a concensus national title 20 years after the fact classless, desperate, and pathetic. The 5th down was a joke. Tech never played anybody that year. They didn’t even play in a major bowl. Was Nebraska even a top 10 team going in to that game?
The 1990 season was an embarassment to college football.
Ace
September 30th, 2010
9:01 am
5th and goal.
GT65_UGA89
September 30th, 2010
9:01 am
Georgia Tech has four validated national championships: 1917, 1928, 1952 and 1990. Every time I visit the Edge Athletic Center I see the crystal UPI national championship trophy, so yes, Tech was (one of) the national champions of 1990.
GT and Colorado shared one common opponent in 1990, that being Nebraska. Colorado defeated Nebraska 27-12, Tech defeated Nebraska 45-21. Colorado lost a game and needed five downs to win another one and needed a phantom clipping call in the Orange Bowl to defeat Notre Dame.
Tech’s lone blemish was a tie against UNC, a game where tech outgained UNC 425 yards to 153 yards. Ross chose to go for a couple of fourth downs deep in UNC territory instead of kicking a FG, else Tech would have been undefeated and untied.
Truth be told, Tech in 1990 had no weaknesses. i have always felt that if tech and Colorado would have played in a BCS championship game, 1990 Tech defeats 1990 Colorado by two TD’s.
Go Dawgs, whip the Buffs!
truth be told, the Gt team of 1990 had no weaknesses and would have defeated Colorado by two touchdowns.
BEANO COOK
September 30th, 2010
9:03 am
Colorado was actually 10-2-1 in 1990,
because the 5th down win against Missouri was really a loss.
Georgia Tech was the ONLY
. . .UNDEFEATED . . . team in the Nation at 11-0-1.
Case Closed !
____________
The Rifleman
September 30th, 2010
9:05 am
I’m sure Alabama has claimed at least part of the 1990 National Championship.
RxDawg
September 30th, 2010
9:06 am
Eh, I’ve got no dog in that fight.
It’s hard for Georgia fans seeing us going up there and earning a win on the football field. Well, it’s hard for this fan to see it anyways. But Kirk Herbstreit seemed to think we a certain win this week, and this was after he lectured about how bad we have been too. All I can do is hope… Go Dawgs.
The Real SugarHillDawg
September 30th, 2010
9:08 am
Hey Pete, comparing scores is the MOST idiotic thing to do when you are comparing two teams. You just exposed your IDIOCY like you exsposed your GAYNESS!!!
GEORGIA TECH . . . . . .
September 30th, 2010
9:08 am
`
When you have the only undefeated major college football team,
That team is the true National Champion.
46-39
September 30th, 2010
9:10 am
At least GA doesn’t have to ’share’ their NC w/ anyone…….
btgt69
September 30th, 2010
9:11 am
We may have split the national championship , but more importantly, we were GA state champs !
castle pines canine
September 30th, 2010
9:12 am
Lets see how Damons 3 road games in 4 weeks works out this week. However, can’t speak for Colorado, but I sat in the stands when Tech kicked us around Sanford stadium during the Tech championship year. My only problem with any of it,is that they didn’t play each other. However, back then, that didn’t always happen. They both claim a crown and that is ok with me. I think the big 8 was clearly tougher than the ACC, but they both have the rings.
Now for UGA, I hope that we play ball this week. I hope to see the line block, runners hold the ball, and recievers get open. Defense makes tackles, coaches make calls, and fans cheer loudly. We are all glad to have our beloved dogs out here to Colorado. GO DOGS
Techster
September 30th, 2010
9:16 am
Actually we did win because of the unpopularity of the Colorado Coach amoung other Coaches. We might as well admit out “short comings” and our “short d–ks!!! Oh well!!! I’m late for the Tickle Pile!!!
Adam
September 30th, 2010
9:16 am
My friend from Missouri also says the rest of the big 12 laughs at colorado and their 90 champ.
What amazes me is how the pollsters kept voting them that high knowing full well they got the benefit of a bogus mistake call not once but twice plus they had a loss.
Reggie Ball
September 30th, 2010
9:18 am
I thought there was 5 down??? Dammit…
Dorian
September 30th, 2010
9:19 am
Colorado played one of the toughest schedules of all time in 1990. They played 7 ranked teams and 4 conference champions. Who did Tech play? Nobody. Colorado would have been double digit favorites had the two teams played.
CDAWG
September 30th, 2010
9:20 am
Who freakin cares? They KNOW that UGA will win this one so they are pulling out all stops to psyche the DAWGS out. I feel it in my gut that UGA is victorious in this one. All right Tech, we will defend your honor Saturday.
GEORGIA TECH 'undefeated" 1990 National Champions
September 30th, 2010
9:20 am
`
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Collorado was 1990 consensus champs in cheating
. . . . . . . . with their bogus 5th down win over Missoiri.
Wreckem
September 30th, 2010
9:22 am
@ gtu lies & cheats
What is this “gtu” you speak of? No such university exists in this state. Anyway, Dawgs need a win. Sic ‘em.
GEORGIA TECH 'undefeated" 1990 National Champions
September 30th, 2010
9:23 am
Yea,
Bill McCartney, the big Christian,
should have showed some class and forfeited the Missouri game.
CDAWG
September 30th, 2010
9:25 am
GEORGIA TECH, I agree with you to a certain extent. You have to put some weight on strength of schedule. I think Tech deserved it in 1990
Ed
September 30th, 2010
9:26 am
This gt fan laughs at co and hopes you guys give them the ass kickin they deserve.
GEORGIA TECH "undefeated" 1990 National Champions
September 30th, 2010
9:26 am
They should be embarassed to celebrate
a 20 year Colorado 5th down season
Hope the Dawgs slaughter their ass.
Geez
September 30th, 2010
9:28 am
Just won more reason there needs to be a playoff. USC does the same thing to LSU from 2003. LSU actually won the BCS title that year.
Enough with the splits. Have both teams play if there is a tie for first.
Martin
September 30th, 2010
9:30 am
Here’s the bogus 5 downs for the youngin’s who never saw it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQJT8q0MMwQ
And here’s the phamtom clipping call
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqC_Br3cDJg
I agree that the colorado coach and the big 12, 8 at the time, should have forfeited the game for co
dawgfan75
September 30th, 2010
9:37 am
I watched the UGA-Tech game that year. UGA was terrible the entire season and that game was no exception. The only bright spot for the dawgs for the dawgs was the punter(sorry, can’t remember his name) kept dropping the ball inside the 10 yard line. At a few seconds before halftime Ga punted. The punters leg went up. It came down. He planted it in the fake grass. Suddenly, a Tech linebacker came running in and speared the punter’s knee completely destroying it. He had to be carried from the field and never played again. Even the commentators were outraged at such a dasturdly deed. I believe,with such a highly disciplined team as Tech had that year, that that player would never have done that without orders from the sidelines. Tech would have won the game, anyway. Pretty crappy.
arningad
September 30th, 2010
9:38 am
The full final 90 yard drive of CU vs. Missouri including the fifth down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQJT8q0MMwQ.
CU spiked the ball on both first and fourth down. They would not have spiked the ball if they had realized that it was fourth down rather than third down. CU also played Tennessee, Stanford, Illinois, Washington and Texas (a member of the SouthWest Conference at that time) OOC. Has a team from anywhere in the SouthEast EVER played an ooc schedule like that?
Vulture
September 30th, 2010
9:40 am
D Gator
“Miami would have whipped both of them. CU played a tougher schedule, while GT played a Boise State schedule that year.”
Yeah, Yeah and FL fans wear jorts. Hopefully McGarity has converting to a home and home with FL in his plans.
Wreckmaniac
September 30th, 2010
9:41 am
Tech was the only undefeated team in 90 and Colorado was given an extra down ( I think against Missouri). When you think about it how did they end up #1 in any poll ?
At the end of that season Ga Tech was playing at a level above any team in the nation. Ask Nebraska.
PMC
September 30th, 2010
9:42 am
How can you be “consensus” champs when you don’t get the UPI poll?
Getting a bunch of fat hairy smelly sportswriters to like you simply means you have a good spread in the press box.
juvenal
September 30th, 2010
9:43 am
didn’t byu get 1 for being the only undefeated team, beating a horrible umich team? the only story here is how stupid the b(c)s is…& the same folks who love the ap have how many lovers of how the media handles the rest of the news?
Wreckmaniac
September 30th, 2010
9:44 am
Tech won the coaches poll which is always more respected that the writer’s poll.
Chuck Sheen
September 30th, 2010
9:45 am
Dawgs, please go out there and lay 80 on those fools
PMC
September 30th, 2010
9:46 am
For the record. I’m certain some poll gave the title to Alabama that year.
19 polls.. Seriously?
There were 2 relevant polls that people paied attention to. AP and UPI.
You can’t have concensus when you lose one of those polls.
calvin
September 30th, 2010
9:47 am
Colorado failed to mention the fact that Colorado lost
a game that season. Tech didn’t, though tied North Carolina.
Tech also beat the #1 ranked team in a November game on the
road (Virginia). The Coach’s poll got it right.
Smell the Coffee
September 30th, 2010
9:48 am
I honestly won’t know which team to pull for on Saturday. The whiney, cry baby Buffalos or lowly 1 – 3 Bull Whimps. The Tech-Wake Forest game will be a toilet bowl too. Now then, Florida-Alabama does hold some promise, at least for a half.
Wreckmaniac
September 30th, 2010
9:49 am
Why didn’t the Colorado revisionists bring this up when they visited Athens two years ago ?
Larvell Blanks
September 30th, 2010
9:51 am
Congrats to Tech and all, and they were a pretty good team, but let’s not go overboard. Waltzing your way through the pre-FSU 1990 ACC schedule was not exactly the toughest thing in the world. Except for Clemson (2 losses), every other ACC team had at least 4 losses that year, and the 4-7 Dogs weren’t exactly gangbusters either. And I suppose the word “undefeated” technically applies even though you have a tie (against powerhouse 6-4-1 UNC), but only in a legalistic sense. That said, I suppose somebody has to win the national championship, and it sure wasn’t Colorado. Instead of bitching about having to share their championship, Tech fans should go out for a beer with BYU fans and laugh their asses off about how timing is everything.
Wreckmaniac
September 30th, 2010
9:53 am
1990 was prior to the BCS fiasco. The greatest victim of these football polls was Auburn who was undefeated , untied a couple of years later and ended up # 2. If we want to discuss a poll that was wrong thats the one to talk about. Yet do we hear Auburn blabbing about it ? No.
gtu lies & cheats
September 30th, 2010
9:53 am
btgt69
September 30th, 2010
9:11 am
We may have split the national championship , but more importantly, we were GA state champs !
Don’t let CPJ know this, he wants to have a fish fry. LOL!!!
THWGT!!!!!
Paul in RDU
September 30th, 2010
9:54 am
Interesting comments about the UGA punter having a career ending injury in the 1990 UGA-GT game. Page 146 of the 2010 UGA Football Media Guide lists Scott Armstrong as the starting punter in all 11 games in 1990. He was injured so badly he only started 11 (out of 12) games in 1991, 11 out of 12 games in 1992 and 11 out of 11 in 1993
Buffalo Bob
September 30th, 2010
9:55 am
Wah, Wah, Wah. We should have been champions by ourself that year. Wah, Wah, Wha, It’s just not fair.
Who Cares
September 30th, 2010
9:58 am
Why would Colorado even bring this stuff up at the time they are playing UGA? Do they need that kind of incentive to play this week or what? Makes no sense.
Paul in RDU
September 30th, 2010
10:03 am
Who Cares – The reason this is coming up is because Colorado is honoring their 1990 championship team this year – 20th anniversary and all that. GT is honoring their 1990 team at the Miami game. I think both championship teams will see their alma maters lose.
BEANO COOK
September 30th, 2010
10:04 am
In 1990, Colorado tied 9-2-2 Tennessee, lost to 6-5-1 Illinois,
and 5th downed a bogus win over 4-7 Missouri (yes, 4-7).
There is really nothing for the 1990 Colorado team to celebrate.
The ignorant AP (Associated Press) poll voters were incompetent during the 1990 season.
Nothing is consensus about this 10-2-1 team.
Who Cares
September 30th, 2010
10:05 am
I can understand the 20th anniversary, it just seems strange to celebrate the week they are playing UGA. Makes no sense. It would be like the Braves celebrating a momentus occasion that involved the Phillies while the Pirates were in town. Well, they are from the same state…lol
juvenal
September 30th, 2010
10:12 am
ap so important they are too good now to be part of b(c)s…
Who Cares
September 30th, 2010
10:16 am
Paul – I think you are right about both teams losing on the day they celebrate their 1990 champioship. Miami will go through Tech’s pourous defense at will and let’s hope UGA’s offense finally has some fire to it.
Loran, whatdayagot? . . . . . .2-3 we hope
September 30th, 2010
10:17 am
Georgia can not afford to start the season 1-4,
the Dawgs must win this game at Colorado.
PTC DAWG
September 30th, 2010
10:18 am
Obviously, they were not the consensus National Champs in 1990. Saying something over and over does not make it true. I’m not a GT fan, but it is what it is.
Fair and Balanced
September 30th, 2010
10:19 am
Touting the Writer’s Poll is a joke. Just look at the state of our news media in general, which would have to include the sports departments too.
GTJeff
September 30th, 2010
10:32 am
Easy schedule? Tech knocked off then #1 Virginia at Virginia & beat Clemson. Virginia lost to the SEC champ Tenn. by one point in the Sugar Bowl WITHOUT their starting QB. Tech played 4 opponents who were ranked at the end of the 1990 season (Virginia, Clemson, Nebraska & Virginia Tech).
And for the record. The CONSENSUS champions are those winning the Coaches and/or AP.
rcgator
September 30th, 2010
10:35 am
How much is Colorado paying Georgia to play this weekend?
1990 Tainted Title
September 30th, 2010
10:37 am
Bill McCartney is another “Tired Act”.
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Go Dawgs !
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UGA=Yawn
September 30th, 2010
10:41 am
Colorado had 1 loss and also one win where they got 5 downs!!! GT had no losses!!! They can talk all they want. Had there been a BCS that year – GT would have beeten them easily. We beat Nebraska by 20 or so in our bowl game – I mean, pleaseeeeeee spare me Colorado!!!
gdawginkalamazoo
September 30th, 2010
10:41 am
rcgator, LMAO! I hope a lot. I think they moved up the homecoming game too! Just a big a$$ celebration all weekend.
N
September 30th, 2010
10:43 am
Doesn’t anyone remember the way things used to be in college football? Virginia accepted a bid to play in the Sugar bowl that season with about 3-4 games left on the schedule. They were ranked #1 and the Sugar bowl wanted to lock them down. Then Tech upset them, they stumbled a few times at the end of the season, and the Sugar bowl was stuck with a three loss team. As much as people complain about the BCS, it is so much better than what we used to get. Also, Lance is an idiot.
uuugh.
September 30th, 2010
10:49 am
Tech fans ruin every UGA blog with their nonsense. Most never have anything to offer the exchange and only try and bother UGA fans.
In same way, I completely support Colorado’s claim to their consensus NC in 1990. I don’t believe that GT has any more claim to the title than UGA that year.
Is it because I believe Colorado earned it? No.
Is it because my sharing will bother Tech fans? Absolutely.
Go dawgs!
juvenal
September 30th, 2010
10:53 am
Tech IS in the title of this blog-don’t bother me i was born in CO, don’t just wear my CU hat this week only to bug folks, know Solder’s mom, good people…
uuugh.
September 30th, 2010
10:58 am
It comes up for me when I go to the UGA page at AJC.com. Maybe they have links posted in MORE than one place juvenal! With that kind of genius strategy, you’d think the AJC was after page views or something!
William
September 30th, 2010
10:59 am
Looks like coaches voted for Tech and reporters voted for CU. That’s consensus only if you’re on a Rocky Mountain High…..
GO TECH
September 30th, 2010
11:01 am
SCREW THE BUFFS. GO EFF EM UP DAWGS! AND YES, I AM A TECH FAN.
Gatorhater
September 30th, 2010
11:03 am
I guess if that is as close as you will ever get to a National Championship you have to try to claim it, even though any rational person can see it for what it is. When you lose a game, tie a game and , well, we all know about the “five” downs, do you really think anyone believes you won it outright? Two questions emerge from this fiasco: what were the voters in the other polls smoking and why do we still not have a playoff?
woundeddawg
September 30th, 2010
11:04 am
lets be honest here, not trying to boost Colorado’s confidence, but if their 1990 squad played GT that year, Colorado would have crushed them. They were a solid squad in the 90’s.
woundeddawg
September 30th, 2010
11:05 am
I don’t think us as Dawg fans can talk much about national championships since we haven’t sniffed one in 30 years.
Larvell Blanks
September 30th, 2010
11:08 am
“Tech knocked off then #1 Virginia at Virginia …”
Operative word being “then.” Virginia proceeded to lose 4 of its last 5 games, including a home loss to 6-5-1 Maryland and a 38-13 trouncing by 6-5 Virginia Tech. South Carolina often looks like it’s a pretty good football team, until it starts playing tougher teams at the end of the season.
Yes, Tech did edge out #9 Clemson at home, which is nice, but if that’s their signature win, it merely proves the point that they didn’t play any of the really top teams. Virginia and Nebraska squeaked into the final top 25 in the AP, and Virginia Tech ended up 25 in the UPI. Nobody’s saying GT wasn’t a good team, just that it is perhaps the luckiest national champion ever, with the exception of BYU (and maybe LSU) – it didn’t have to play anyone really good in the regular season, and didn’t have to play anyone really good in the bowl game.
Burdell
September 30th, 2010
11:09 am
Ahhh wounded, but you don’t win a MNC for having a good decade…this is only 1990 we are talking about. Tech would have beaten them handily…just ask Tom Osbourne.
Tech Fan Here
September 30th, 2010
11:15 am
I hate to say it but I hope UGA beats the Sh@t out of these pansies on Saturday. They got 5 downs to beat Missouri at the end of the game. They must be high to consider themselves NC’s.
5th down game link below
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Down_Game_%281990%29
MR
September 30th, 2010
11:18 am
I guess this makes the leg humpers feel better about themselves and the 1980 MNC. What a stupid article. Typical UGA a banter, sorry team so we have to push back the years. No trophy in the last 30 years is hard to swallow. Fla, Ala, and LSU (throw Tenn. in there also) have been the cream of the SEC crop for years..and the dawgies have not even sniffed a chance to play for the NC…
You Can't Argue Facts
September 30th, 2010
11:30 am
Colorado is absolutely correct. GT is despised nationally for numerous reasons, but their pathetic attempt to latch onto other program’s titles clearly tops the list. Most Tech fans cite the fact that the Coaches Poll (the same Coaches Poll that we have learned over the years where the actual coaches don’t even fill it out themselves) as their reason for claiming it. However, in 1952 neither the AP nor the Coaches Poll proclaimed the bugs National Champion, yet they claim it anyway.
Colorado played 13 games in 1990 compared to Tech’s 12. UC barely lost early in the season to Illinois on the road, while Tech tied a horrible UNC team in the middle of the season. UC’s opponents’ total record for that season was 88-58-4. Tech’s 11 opponents’ (not going to include Tenn-Chatt) was 69-55-2. This alone proves Colorado’s more difficult schedule. Nevermind the fact that CU faced 4 eventual conference champions from that year. Washington, Texas, Illinois and Tennessee. While Tech played ZERO conference champs. UC faced 7 teams with 8 or more victories. While the bugs faced only 4. CU played in a real bowl game against a real opponent. Tech played in a bowl that no longer exist against UC’s leftovers from early in the season. UC had 7 opponents finish in the top 25. 4 of which finished in the top 12. While Tech only had 3 opponents finish in the top 25.
To recap:
Conf. champs faced: UC – 4, Tech – 0
Opponents with 8+ wins: UC – 7, Tech – 4
Opponents finishing in top 25: UC – 7, Tech – 3
No contest. Colorado is the REAL champion from 1990. While Tech, as usual, are the leaches.
kevin
September 30th, 2010
11:30 am
I am UGA fan, but GT were the Nat’l Champions in 1990. Without 5 downs, CU loses. And, their press release, despite being tasteless, is thoroughly desperate and defensive.
Xenophon
September 30th, 2010
11:37 am
Hope they’re ready to play at altitude, because so far, this team hasn’t been on much of a “high”. Lose here and you know how next year will end.
Les Miles Clock Management Team
September 30th, 2010
11:41 am
1990 was a bit of a cluster %$#@ but you have to admit that Colorado team would have been tough for Tech to beat and did play a much tougher schedule.
Eric
September 30th, 2010
11:42 am
Hey Lance,
He didn’t even get in on 5th down
http://www.youtube.com/user/54Snickers#p/u/24/vLfR0o_zhIg
Les Miles Clock Management Team
September 30th, 2010
11:43 am
Also, Colorado’s claim is no more tenuous than about 3/4 quarters of the national championships claimed by Alabama.
whatever
September 30th, 2010
11:57 am
Yea, right – CU had that 5th down against Nebraska – in which they scored (on the 5th do 5th down) with no time left on the clock.
And please DO NOT TELL ME that CMR is complaining that CU had a week-off. They have and have had a week off before off before the GT game, Had not been for that – UGA may not have beaten Tech. So – CMR is laying the ground work for incase they loss – he can say “well, they had a week off” – and “we have to travel so far” and “Boulder is a mile-high town”. Cry me a river – CMR
KM
September 30th, 2010
11:59 am
Tom Osborne, whom they both played, voted for Tech. End of story.
dawgfan
September 30th, 2010
12:05 pm
As much as I hate the nerds there’s no way CU deserved the MNC in 1990. The 5th down fiasco is legendary. The fact that they want to celebrate this mistake doesn’t speak well about their integrity. We shouldn’t overlook the difficulty or implications of this game though; it will be a mistake if we do.
dawgfan
September 30th, 2010
12:11 pm
You Can’t Argue Facts – yeah, you can’t. So please explain how the FACT that CU illegally received 5 downs in the UN game which led to an erroneous win justifies your argument. We’re looking forward to skinning you Buffs and leaving your carcasses on the prairie. Go Dawgs beat the Cheaters University (CU).
really?
September 30th, 2010
12:14 pm
You need 5 downs to win but its consensus….haha cmon UC….I hope UGA beats them now. Everyone knows that championship is tainted….didnt they also have a loss to Illinois or some other mediocre team?
C C
September 30th, 2010
12:16 pm
I’d like to see some shred of evidence that tech “opted out” of a chance to play a better bowl opponent. I’ve looked for accounts and all I’ve found was statements that Tech was contractually obligated to play Nebraska, with no opt-out. We all know about the ludicrous FIfth Down, and that Tech stomped Nebraska while Colorado was given a gift call on the Rocket’s nullified TD return to barely win their bowl game.
Would have loved to see GT play the now whining lying Buffs on that day. I can understand taking a gift when on official give it to you (twice): Everyone does that. But the revisionist history is a joke…claiming a consensus when one of the two ‘major’ polls of the time and several other selectors chose Tech. This sort of split championship is the very reason the BCS was created. That, and the almighty dollar of course.
BTW one team played both CO and GT that year: Nebraska. Their coach voted for Tech in the UPI poll.
Still@theBAR
September 30th, 2010
12:16 pm
The Dawgs are in for a tough game. Don’t let the altitude fool you. It does affect people. Just think how much money for pot and beer the dawg fans will save at that high altitude.
really?
September 30th, 2010
12:16 pm
whatever….I think it was against Missouri. But im glad to see UGA fans seeing the idiocy of the situation. I may have to pull for UGA this weekend.
Delbert D.
September 30th, 2010
12:22 pm
In 1990 the only meaningful (published weekly in your home town newspaper) were the AP poll (sports writers) and UPI (coaches). In one of the telecasts last Saturday, the one of the quizz questions was “who is the only team to have won concensus back-to-back national championships?” “Concensus” was defined as agreement by the AP (football writers and broadcasters) and UPI or CNN/USA Today* (coaches poll). The answer is Nebraska (1994-1995).
CNN/USA Today combined their separate polls in 1997 to distribute the coaches poll nationally. Previously, UPI and the National Football Foundation combined for 1991 and 1992 to present the MacArthur Bowl national champion. UPI returned to single selection in 1993. USA Today formed a coalition with the NFF to present the MacArthur Bowl National Champion in 1993-1996.
ugaclassof2004
September 30th, 2010
12:28 pm
I’m a dawg fan all the way, but Tech was the true National Champion in 1990. They has a GREAT offense with William Bell, Bobby Rodrigez, Emmit Merchant, Greg Lester, Shawn Jones, Joe Siffri. And they had legit playmakers on defense with Willie Clay, Coleman Rudolph, Marco Coleman. They would have beaten Colorado if they would have played them.
Now with that being said, the Miami Hurricanes were probably the best team in the country that year. They destroyed Texas in the Cotton Bowl but a loss to BYU knocked them out of title contention. I think that Miami team would have throttled Tech or Colorado. But that is not how the game was played back then. So out of the undefeated teams that year, I would say Tech that was the better of the two.
Fiff
September 30th, 2010
12:29 pm
@kevin,
If you were a real UGA fan you’d realize first hand that Tech has benefited from horrible calls against the Dawgs twice during the end of 90’s giving them wins. So please, spare me with the “5th down” down crap as though that was the only game changing blown call ever made. Heck, what about the horrible call against UGA leading to an LSU victory the last time they were in Athens? So give me a break.
@Cant Argue Facts
That was awesome. Great summary and you are 110% correct!!
ugaclassof2004
September 30th, 2010
12:30 pm
I’m a dawg fan all the way, but Tech was the true National Champion in 1990. They had a GREAT offense with William Bell, Bobby Rodrigez, Emmit Merchant, Greg Lester, Shawn Jones, Joe Siffri. And they had legit playmakers on defense with Willie Clay, Coleman Rudolph, Marco Coleman. They would have beaten Colorado if they would have played them.
Now with that being said, the Miami Hurricanes were probably the best team in the country that year in terms of talent. They destroyed Texas in the Cotton Bowl but a loss to BYU knocked them out of title contention. I think that Miami team would have throttled Tech or Colorado. But that was not how the game was played back then. So out of the undefeated teams that year, I would say Tech that was the better of the two.
C C
September 30th, 2010
12:35 pm
BTW the win at UVA was epic, and GT deserves a lot of credit for that. UVA had destroyed several opponents on the way to a 7-0 record, and they were a strong number 1-ranked team for 3 weeks (both major polls, an actual “consensus”)…until GT beat them at their place.
UVA did go into a tailspin after that, but a huge factor was that their QB Shawn Moore got hurt in their next game after they played GT. They had some very close losses in that stretch and their season was downgraded because of that.
Pitbull
September 30th, 2010
12:39 pm
Two points:
First: Nebraska’s starting QB (who was really good) was healthy for the Colorado game, but had been hurt and did not play in the Tech game. If he had been available I doubt Tech would have won and that was a factor in voting against Tech for the 1990 NC trophy.
Second: I hope the UGA Redcoat Band’s halftime performance includes a salute to Colorado’s 1990 National Championship Team. HAHAHAHAHAHA
Delbert D.
September 30th, 2010
12:39 pm
Oh, by the way there are no “real” NCAA champions in in history in Division Ia/FBS. The NCAA recognizes only championships won in playoffs in Division Iaa/FCS (since 1978), and Division II and II (both since 1973).
Just askin
September 30th, 2010
12:42 pm
Fiff,
Every team has been the victim and the benefactor of bad officiating, it’s the nature of the beast. But surely even you can agree that the UC 5th down call would have to be the worst in the history of the game. Undeniable impact on the final score and an impact on the national championship as well. i know of no other blown call with such a measurable impact on a single game or the entire game as a whole.
hahahahaha!!!
September 30th, 2010
12:44 pm
all the obvious Tech fans on here claiming to be “Dawg fans” are hilarious. I think “you can’t argue facts” pretty much put the debate to bed with his, well, facts. Colorado clearly earned it in 1990 while Tech didn’t. The numbers and competition speak for themselves.
Cobb jacket
September 30th, 2010
12:47 pm
Lifelong Tech fan, 45+ years and I have never denied UC their share of the 1990 title. I never felt they deserved it, due to the 5th down, but they were voted in and that’s the way these things go. Having said that, I’ve never in 20 years claimed Tech was the “consensus” nc, and for UC to now make that claim is absolutely absurd. Hope to see the dawgs kick some rocky mountain ass this weekend.
Delbert D.
September 30th, 2010
12:48 pm
List of teams beating AP # 1 ranked opponent in 1990 season:
9-8-90 BYU 28, Miami 21
10-6-90 Stanford 36, Notre Dame 31
10-13-90 Mich. St. 28, Mich. 27
11-3-90 Ga. Tech 41, Virginia 38
C C
September 30th, 2010
12:49 pm
To whoever claimed that GT played a Boise State schedule that year: They played at least 3 or 4 ranked teams, and beat the at-the-time CONSENSUS number 1 team on the road more than halfway through the season. GT was the ONLY team with no losses.
GT HAD to play their 8-game conference schedule. Of course they played UGA (won by 17 in Athens). So otherwise they had one other SEC team (beat USCe by 21 in Atlanta), and they played one cupcake (UT Chatt) and won by 35. Then they demolished Nebraska in their bowl. I’d say it’s NOT a difficult schedule, but it’s a moderate one. FAR from a Boise schedule where they end up playing 1-3 ranked teams max.
Just askin
September 30th, 2010
12:57 pm
hahahahaha!!!!,
Do the votes not count for anything? What about the fact that UC “lost” 2 games that year, and tied one. I’m sure if you wanted to crunch numbers, you could find all sorts of facts that support any argument you want to make. Fact is Tech was the only undefeated team in 1990 and they were voted a share of the nc. If you ask me, they were robbed of the consensus title, but that’s the nature of this beast. Crunch all the numbers you want, but it does not change anything, we were undefeated and we were voted a share of the nc, number crunching be damned.
C C
September 30th, 2010
12:57 pm
Well said, Cobb Jacket. I completely agree with everything you said, but it’s hard for me to agree with that last sentence. But there’s a part of me that does want CO to get shut out at home on that day, even by UGA.
Wish they could both somehow lose. Since that can’t happen I hope it’s either an 13-overtime game or a blowout…one way or the other.
Delbert D.
September 30th, 2010
1:03 pm
UGA Class of 2004 – “So out of the undefeated teams that year, I would say Tech that was the better of the two.”
Colorado wasn’t undefeated, they were 11-1-1. Georgia Tech was 10-0-1.
Delbert D.
September 30th, 2010
1:03 pm
From the Colorado web site:
“Colorado came through the fierce non-league portion of its schedule with a 3-1-1 record and prepared to defend its Big Eight crown earned the season before. The Buffs topped Missouri, 33-31, in their league opener amid controversey of the now famous “fifth down.” CU’s Charles Johnson scored the game-winning touchdown as time expired on what turned out to be fifth down. The play, created through an incredible mistake by the officiating crew, and unnoticed by Missouri game administration and virtually everyone in the stadium, tainted the CU win and hurt the Buffs image. Even though the Buffs defeated Iowa State, 28-12 the following week, Colorado had dropped back to No. 14 in the rankings though it sported a 5-1-1 record.”
Cobb jacket
September 30th, 2010
1:07 pm
C C,
Never thought I’d find any way to pull for UGA, but that whole “consensus” nonsense just rubs me the wrong way. As I said, I’ve never denied UC their share of that title, despite the 5th down, nor have I ever claimed Tech was the consensus. But for them to claim consensus now is just nonsense. As I think I stated earlier, if they really want to celebrate the right way, they should screw up the celebration and then get another shot at it. It truly would be the only appropriate way.
MIke T.
September 30th, 2010
1:07 pm
Stewert Mandel
Dingledorf,
Yes we may not have the actual mythical NC’s
but we our still in the company of USC, Ohio State
Alabama, because we our Number 11 on the all time win list.
RA
September 30th, 2010
1:08 pm
The Opt-Out Clause
http://articles.latimes.com/1990-10-04/sports/sp-2250_1_citrus-bowl
“But –and this is where it gets interesting–a national championship contingency exists. The Citrus Bowl can opt out of the agreement if it can match the No. 1-ranked team against No. 2, 3 or 4. Likewise, the ACC champion–and let’s say it’s Virginia–can opt out of the deal if its ranked no lower than fourth and can play the No. 1 team for the national title.”
Cobb jacket
September 30th, 2010
1:11 pm
C C,
In twenty years, I’ve only encountered two types of college football fans that fail to recognize Tech’s 1990 nc and the fact that they were robbed of the consensus. UGA fans that feel such a hatred for tech that they refuse to see things logically, a small minority, because most UGA fans I know feel Tech was robbed. And UC fans. Beyond these two, I’ve never met anyone who does not agree that Tech was robbed.
Irish
September 30th, 2010
1:30 pm
Not only did they get a 5th down, but, if you look at that video again you’ll see he wasn’t in on 5th down. Look at where CJ’s butt hits the ground and where the ball is when it hits. There’s no way he was in.
On the flip side, how could the entire MU defense and sideline not be going crazy after 4th down celebrating thinking they’d won. It doesn’t make sense that at least one player or coach didn’t run to the ref’s and yell when they spotted the ball again for another play.
I’ll never understand how that happened
TN-Dawg
September 30th, 2010
1:44 pm
To Fiff – you state “Heck, what about the horrible call against UGA leading to an LSU victory the last time they were in Athens?’ – Well, the CU call was the last play of the game – and, regardless of the bad call – which it was – we still HAD to stop LSU – and we didn’t – so stop whinning.
As much as I would like to say otherwise – it seems that there are a lot of dawg fans that STILL (20 years later) degrade GT winning the NC. Remember, Tech beat us 40-23 and beat Nebraska 45-21 in the bowl game. I love the rivalry b/t UGA and GT – however – it amazes me how many fellow dawg fans show total disrespect for GT. IF it weren’t for GT tieing Notre Dame in 1980 – WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN NATIONAL CHAMPS. Also – for all of you who like to gloat about UGA’s recent record against GT – remember that 6 out of the last 5 years – the game has been decided by 7 or less points. As much as I like a win over GT – we need to still respect them.
Kyle
September 30th, 2010
1:45 pm
The next year we played FSU and were kicking their butt only to lose at the last second. We lost 3 great players from the NC team and still nearly beat FSU when they in the 3rd inning of their domination. So anyone who says that team that year wasn’t good is a moron. We would have killed the cheats at colorado.
Daryl
September 30th, 2010
1:52 pm
Don’t forget Ken Swilling, brother of Pat Swilling, was also on the team.
Alan
September 30th, 2010
1:59 pm
Actually Pat was his Cousin. Here is a good article about Ken
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1140742/1/index.htm
Jacket 88
September 30th, 2010
2:01 pm
For those who like to talk about GT’s strength of schedule in 1990 – according to a NCAA football website – GT’s strength of schedule was 13th in the country (in difficulty) – Colorado was 9th (big difference, ya?) – UGA’s SOS in 1990 was 26th.
THE YEAR YOU WON THEN NC (1980) – UGA’s SOS (according to the NCAA website) was 48th – yes, that’s right, the 1980 NC’s was 48th. GT’s SOS in 1980 was 3 (3rd hardest schedule in the country) – while Notre Dame’s (talk about bad calls – there were several that went UGA’s way) was 9th in the country. Also – it’s not as UGA dominated ND – UGA scored their winning TD with 30 sec. to go in the game.
But as usual, all you doggie fans can do is denigrate another team, just to make yourselves look better.
Delbert D.
September 30th, 2010
2:05 pm
1990 season Colorado and bowl controversy
Colorado’s opponents AP ranking (at time of game) – 1990
#8 Tennessee 31-31 (Tie) 10-2
Un Stanford 21-17 Win) 5-6
Un Illinois 22-23 (Loss) 9-4
#22 Texas 29-22 (Win) 10-2
#12 Washington 20-14 (Win) 10-2
Un Missouri 33-31 (Win) 4-7
Un Kansas 41-10 Win) 3-7-1
#22 Oklahoma 32-23 (Win) 8-3
#3 Nebraska 27-12 (Win) 9-3
Un Okla. St. 41-22 (Win) 4-7
Un Kansas St. 64-3 (Win) 5-6
#5 Notre Dame 10-9 (Win) 9-3 xx Was #1 before loss to Penn St
Week 12:
“Notre Dame became the fifth number one to fall from the top spot as #18 Penn State edged the #1 Irish, 24-21. Because bowl invitations were ready to be offered, the upset smothered any chance the Orange Bowl had of determining a consensus national champion.”
Week 13:
“Perhaps bowing to public pressure due to their status as the nation’s only unbeaten Division I-A team, the AP poll moved Georgia Tech up one spot from number three to number two after their 40-23 dismantling of the outmanned Bulldogs in their annual showdown. The Yellow Jackets now had the nation’s longest current unbeaten streak at 15 games.
The Bowl Games:
“The NCAA faced yet another problem in attempting to determine the national champion without virtue of a playoff. Three of the top four teams were contractually obligated to bowl games that left no chance for a #1 vs. #2 match-up. Number one Colorado was obligated to represent the Big Eight in the Orange Bowl; second-ranked Georgia Tech was forced to represent the Atlantic Coast Conference in the Florida Citrus Bowl. Although Miami and Notre Dame, ranked third and fifth respectively, were Independents and thus bound to no bowl, both had claims to make for the national title that necessitated defeating the highest-ranked foe. The Orange Bowl invitation to Notre Dame had already been extended prior to the late season loss by the Irish to Penn State, leaving Miami to face #4 Texas in the Cotton Bowl. Although Miami had two losses, the Hurricanes would repeat as national champions if both Colorado and Georgia Tech lost while Miami won. The Hurricanes did their best, routing the Longhorns 46-3, but the early morning pounding of Nebraska by Georgia Tech closed the door on the Hurricanes chances and opened the question of whether Georgia Tech could possibly win a share if Colorado beat Notre Dame.
The wins by Miami and Georgia Tech ensured Notre Dame could not wind up as champion, but the Irish and Buffaloes fought to the finish with Colorado prevailing, 10-9, on a blocked extra point. With only 65 seconds left, it appeared Notre Dame had won when Rocket Ismail ran 91 yards with a punt return for touchdown that was called back on a clipping penalty. Deon Figures intercepted Rick Mirer’s desperation pass to clinch the national title for Colorado.”
Delbert D.
September 30th, 2010
2:06 pm
Sources above from various Wiki entries and NCAA Record Book
Cobb jacket
September 30th, 2010
2:12 pm
TN-Dawg,
Great post, thanks for the respect. Right back at you. I’ve always maintained that my contempt for UGA lies not with the program, not with its rational fans (several friends and coworkers that went to UGA, or pull for UGA). My only contempt for the program lies with the delusional, rabid hate filled fans that seem to live for the hatred of another program more than the love of their own. FYI, I dislike the Tech fans that fall into the latter category every bit as much, and there are plenty of them.
Chattanooga Falcon
September 30th, 2010
2:39 pm
Colorado got an extra down (5) to win one of their games. Tech won theirs according to the rules.
RA
September 30th, 2010
2:49 pm
TN-Dawg,
I agree with most of your post, but not your statement:
“IF it weren’t for GT tieing Notre Dame in 1980 – WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN NATIONAL CHAMPS.”
After the tie, we became #1. Without it, we would have been #1 after the Sugar Bowl.
dawgfan
September 30th, 2010
2:52 pm
Any chance that we can leave the GT-CU 1990 issue and talk about the game between the Dawgs and Buffs coming up? I mean, this IS a UGA blog, right?
Delbert D.
September 30th, 2010
3:12 pm
No “opt out” was available for Georgia Tech for the 1990 (1991 bowl) season. The Orange Bowl already had #1, the Big-12 Champion by contract. They had to play Notre Dame, to whom they made their offer while Notre Dame was ranked #1 (with CU ranked #2 at the time). Perfect match, except for ND losing to Penn State in their next-to-last game..
Delbert D.
September 30th, 2010
3:20 pm
On paper, Georgia’s O-line should overwhelm CU’s DL. Their biggest DL player is 280. When they blitz their Mike LB, he’s 6-1, 245.
Delbert D.
September 30th, 2010
3:23 pm
Georgia faces the same problem with CU’s OL:
LT 6-9 315 SR ***
LG 6-4 315 JR *
C 6-3 290 JR *
RG 6-8 310 JR ***
RT 6-4 290 FR-RS
TE 6-5 245 JR **
gtforever
September 30th, 2010
3:38 pm
What a LAME article……
I am 62 and I tried and tried to tell you
September 30th, 2010
4:00 pm
Colorado did get far more votes than GT did but GT is so deperate to claim anything like that. Fine let them. I tralved all over the USA back in those days and depending on what region of the country you were in, in 1990, that paper proclaimed the closest school as NC. I knew that Colorado and Miami and Gt and I think South Dakota and Pudue and TCU and Texas El Paso ( the name back in the day ) and Syracuse ( only in upstate NY, GT fans ) and William and Mary and Florida SW SE all calimed some part of that title.
Remember Techers, North Carolina and GT tied at 10 all in 1990 and in those days Carolina was a joke. GT was NOTundefeated either and played no body including horrifc UGA.
Aaaaaaaaaaaahahhahahah, see y’all in Athens
George
September 30th, 2010
4:39 pm
***Nesbitt for Trashman***
gtforever
September 30th, 2010
4:58 pm
62 and already senile………… Jeez, what a bunch of jibberish!
Delbert D.
September 30th, 2010
5:16 pm
@ I am 62 and.. – You seem to have the answers, but your memory is not too good (and I am older than you, so I’ll provide the sources for the real info.
The “claimants” to the “title”:
NCAA Record Book 2009
1990
Colorado: AP, Berryman, Billingsley, DeVold, FACT, FB News, Football Research, FW, Matthews, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Sporting News, USA/CNN
Georgia Tech: Dunkel, FACT, FB News, National Championship Foundation, Sagarin (ELO-Chess), UPI
Miami: Eck, FACT, NY Times, Sagarin
Washington: FACT
North Carolina and Georgia Tech tied at 10 all. Your assertion that UNC was “horrific” is unsubstantiated; their record in 1990 was 6-4-1, 3-3-1 in conference.
10-0-1 is “undefeated”; i.e., no losses.
Your assertion that Georgia was “horrific” – Georgia was 4-7, 2-5 in conference. They beat Alabama, Southern Miss, East Carolina and Vanderbilt. Losses – LSU, Clemson, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Florida, Auburn and Georgia Tech. Point conceded.
George
September 30th, 2010
5:59 pm
There’s nothing dumber than a University of Georgia Bulldog.
George
September 30th, 2010
6:01 pm
“I am 62 and I tried and tried to tell you” – being old and stupid is a terrible combination. However, being old, stupid and a Dawg fan, well, that’s understandable.
Clarification
September 30th, 2010
6:25 pm
I have no problem with CU winning the 5h down game. They won within the structure laid out by the officials, and it’s not their fault the refs screwed up. If the refs had been keeping proper track of the downs, Colorado wouldn’t have spiked on 4th down and would have run a play. Yes it was poor officiating, but you can’t just assume Colorado would have lost had the proper downs been kept.
That being said, CU was a far better team than GTU that year, as were other top teams such as Miami, ND, and Washington. GTU would have gotten pasted head-to-head by any of those teams, but lucked into playing an uninterested and demoralized Nebraska team(which had several players suspended IIRC) in the Citrus Bowl. CU played one of the toughest schedules in college football history and was obviously superior to Tech, which played what amounts to a mid-major schedule.
In order to understand how much of a fraud 1990 GTU was, you only need to look as far as the opening game of 1991, when GTU, returning almost all the key players from 1990, was thoroughly dominated by Penn St in the Kickoff Classic. The final margin of that game(34-22) was deceptive, as GTU got a couple of cheap garbage-time TDs after the game was out of hand.
Also of note is that Colorado experienced sustained success during that era, finishing in the final polls every year from 1989 to 1996, including being #1 going into the bowl games in 1989. They were a LEGITIMATE top team in that era. Meanwhile GTU’s 1990 ranking was their ONLY ranking in either of the final polls from 1986-1996, and appears to be more a confluence of luck and circumstances than anything else.
George
September 30th, 2010
6:46 pm
Clarification – your opinions are not based on facts. The 5th down was the last play of the game with no time left on the clock doofus. Get your facts straight. CU would definitely have lost the game without the additional down. That loss would have knocked them out of the MNC by their own admission.
Your OPINION that “GTU” (sic) “would have gotten pasted head-to-head” with other teams is purely a biased opinion on your part without any foundation in fact. Those games were never played so you can not say that CU was “obviously superior” or that any of the fictional head-to-head games that you reference would have been losses by GT (Georgia Institute of Technology, not GTU).
Then you make another stupid assertion based upon a game in the following year along with some highly opinionated assertion that Colorado was some kind of elite program between 1989 and 1996. Check the record books doofus, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Not only is Colorado NOT an elite program, they have NEVER been an elite program. So, don’t come on this blog and try to “buffalo” (pun intended) everyone that your opinion is fact. You just make yourself and your school look stupid.
Delbert D.
September 30th, 2010
6:46 pm
Clarification – 2 big errors: Adding “fraud” to your statement , and leaving out “maybe” in several places. There are no Division 1a “National Champions” recognized by the NCAA for football, because there is no playoff system. The polls have their ways of choosing. Who perpetuated the alleged fraud? The coaches that decided (by 1 vote) that Georgia Tech was ranked #1 ahead of Colorado? Were the sportswriters and sportscasters equally fraudulent in voting for the AP poll?
The BCS system (which the NCAA does not recognize) is no more useful than the former Bowl Coalition (which the NCAA dies not recognize), or the polling by various entities (that the NCAA does not recognize) prior to it. These argument will happen every year until there is a true playoffs among conference champions.
seriously
September 30th, 2010
6:49 pm
I M PRETTY SURE TECH GOT THE CRYSTAL BALL , YEAH ITS IN THE TROPHY CASE
Delbert D.
September 30th, 2010
7:01 pm
In 1991, again there was no concensus. Miami was picked by the AP(and as slew of others), and Washington was picked by the coaches – USA Today/CNN that year – and a slew of others. AP #1 Miami beat #11 Nebraska 22-0 in the Orange Bowl, and AP #2 Washington beat #4 Michigan in the Rose Bowl.
Clarification
September 30th, 2010
7:23 pm
George,
Yes, the 5th down was the last play of the game, but I don’t see how that is relevant. My point is that, had the officials kept proper track of the downs, Colorado would have run a different set of plays, and most certainly wouldn’t have SPIKED IT on 4th down(which they thought was 3rd, because of errant officiating). There’s no telling what would have happened on 4th down if the down markers had been correct.
Again, Colorado won within the structure presented to them by the officials. I have no problem with them claiming the win in that game.
True, no one can say definitively that CU, or any of the other powerhouses that year, would have beaten GTU, however one CAN make the argument, as I and others have, that GTU played a poor schedule that year in comparison, and that its success was a flash in the pan, which I demonstrated by showing GTU’s lack of a national ranking in any other year outside of 1990.
I find it hilarious that you tell me to “check the record books,” when it’s obvious that you have in no way done this yourself. From 1989 to 1996, CU was ranked in the final top 5 FOUR TIMES, the final top 10 FIVE TIMES, and the final top 20 EVERY YEAR. Their record during this 8 year period was 88-18-5, with SIX 10+ win seasons(back when 10 win seasons still meant something). That is sustained, and yes, ELITE, success over an 8 year stretch.
How many final rankings did Tech achieve over that period? ONE. And of course they were immediately exposed the first game of 1991 by Penn State. Face it, the 1990 GT team was good, but their undefeated season was the result of tremendous luck and a favorable schedule. CU deserved that title after playing four eventual conference champions and a top 5 ND team in the bowl, and I have no doubt in my mind they would have whipped GTU. It’s no coincidence that CU won most of the selectors and GTU’s claim, despite being unbeaten, was based on a 1 point win in the coaches poll.
George
September 30th, 2010
7:28 pm
Clarification – you restated the same, biased opinions again – not FACTS. And, just for clarification there is no GTU; there never has been, but facts are not your strong suit are they? Get your facts straight then post something intelligent next time. Otherwise you just look stupid.
DOO DOO LEE
September 30th, 2010
7:31 pm
if I were you Tim Tucker, I would be more concerned about what I looked like on video cam…S C A R Y….nothing like the pic posted, not trying to be ugly, but why can you not spend some time working out along with the majority of the uga male fan base…layoff the barbque before it is too late…Colorado didn’t even go undefeated that year not to mention the 5 downs given to beat Notre Dame so who cares what they think
George
September 30th, 2010
7:47 pm
Clarification – Colorado football is best known for its infamous FIFTH DOWN; the most notorious gaff by officials in college football history (although Cornell shares that shame also). For Colorado to celebrate that mistake this year speaks volumes about Colorado football. Everyone knows that the real reason that Colorado celebrates 1990, despite the fraudulent win against Missouri, is that it is the ONLY MNC Colorado has ever won. Too bad the MNC was a fraud. ONE, yes ONE National Championship since 1890; yeah, that’s a lot of tradition! I suppose you consider ONE MNC every 120 years as having established an elite football program. What a joke.
Delbert D.
September 30th, 2010
7:47 pm
Just win ‘em all and let the polls settle it. The USA Today/CNN/ESPN coaches poll is bound by contract to select the winner of the BCS final game as #1. The AP can select whoever gets the most points in their voting system.
Delbert D.
September 30th, 2010
7:59 pm
In 2006 Florida was voted (or selected, by numerical/computer systems) #1 in all polls except the Harris poll, who selected Ohio St.
In 2007, LSU was selected #1 by all except Harris (Ohio St.) and Dunkle (USC).
The Harris Interactive poll was made a member of the BCS in 2009. The Dunkle system is a power index system which began in 1929.
Camden Mark
September 30th, 2010
8:52 pm
Coming from an old Dawg. That 90 Tech team would have beat the beefalo poop out of that 90 CU team.
That “D” with Colman,Battle,Rudolph and Co would have killed those guys
Sensei John Kreese
September 30th, 2010
9:59 pm
After reading through several of the comments about the 1990 GA Tech team on this fine UGA blog, at NO time, in the future, is ANY Tech fan permitted to give ANY fan of another team grief about “living in the past”.
JAH
September 30th, 2010
10:43 pm
Not saying GT isn’t good or doesn’t deserve the NC, but I can see why the Buffs got the AP votes (a group of sports writers mostly from the east coast and with a bias towards that). Buffs played a hell of a schedule that year and I think you will be hard pressed to find another NC team that played 7 ranked opponents in a 13 game schedule, that’s greater than 50% of their games. Anyway, this why the Buffs nabbed so many poll. An additional note, if Tom Osborne had voted for the Buffs that year, they would have the Coaches Poll as well. I guess that’s due to the severe butt kicking GT gave his team compared to ours, not due to any dislike for the CU program as many would believe.
PF Opponent PA
21 North Carolina St. 13
44 Tennessee-Chattanooga 9
27 South Carolina 6
31 Maryland 3
21 (#9/#9) Clemson (SC) 19
13 North Carolina 13
48 Duke (NC) 31
41 (#23/#15) Virginia 38
6 (NR/#25) Virginia Tech 3
42 Wake Forest (NC) 7
40 Georgia 23
45 (#24/#17) Nebraska 21
379 Season Totals 186
PF Opponent PA
31 (#8/#7) Tennessee 31
21 Stanford (CA) 17
22 (#25/#24) Illinois 23
29 (#12/#11) Texas 22
20 (#5/#5) Washington 14
33 Missouri 31
28 Iowa St. 12
41 Kansas 10
32 (#17/NR) Oklahoma 23
27 (#24/#17) Nebraska 12
41 Oklahoma St. 22
64 Kansas St. 3
10 (#6/#6) Notre Dame 9
399 Season Totals 229
poolman63
October 1st, 2010
7:51 am
Let’s just put it this way, 1990 Colorado and 2007 LSU are the worst National Champions ever. While teams like 2004 Auburn get nothing? That’s BS or BcS.
gtforever
October 1st, 2010
8:47 am
Just take care of business. Beat them like a drum. Show them what Georgia football looks like! In this one instance…… GO DAWGS!
?????
October 1st, 2010
9:28 am
What is this “GTU” that this person keeps referring to? Perhaps some “clarification” on this would be in order.
kwc
October 1st, 2010
11:07 am
Funny thing is ,if colorado doesnt win that game we wouldnt be talking about fifth down,we would be talking about missouri rigging the field that day.
Jon
October 1st, 2010
1:42 pm
Huh. There are people that still care about the Buffaloes? Sure doesn’t show like it at Folsm Field.
81Dog
October 2nd, 2010
1:38 pm
all you GTU apologists who righteously demand that Colorado should have forfeited the 5th down game, please tell me: how many of you are willing to forfeit the 1990 basketball regional final you won when Kenny Anderson was awarded a 3 at the buzzer for a shot that was taken with his foot on the line, and after time expired? Or the Jasper Sanks non-fumble game?
yeah, that’s what I thought. And quit talking about how you beat “then #1 Virginia!” They were horrible. They played a creampuff schedule, and the wheels came completely off the bus after you nipped them by what, a point? Any of you nerds who think you had the best team in America that year should wake up and smell the Zima. Be glad you won the Coaches Poll as (I suppose) a rebuke to Bill McCartney.
and for the nerd who keeps asking “who is this GTU,” why just ask former self proclaimed GTU great Stephon Marbury, one of the greatest players to ever spend almost two whole quarters there. That’s what he called it. Who am I to argue with him?
Ed
October 2nd, 2010
5:48 pm
Pretty big talk for a team that should have been 10-2-1 (Missouri beat them, period) and could have been 9-3-1 (still not sure what was called on Ismail’s punt return). Until LSU in ‘07 they were the least deserving national champion in recent memory. They should wake up every morning and pinch themselves that they got a piece of the national title. Colorado was kind of a media darling in those days.
Ed
October 2nd, 2010
5:56 pm
1990 Colorado and 2007 LSU are all the evidence you need that the national championship in college football is a joke. It was something made up by the media to give independents of the day like Notre Dame and Army something to play for besides a won-loss record.
And I make no exceptions for Georgia’s 1980 national championship. It was a glorious and magical year, but Pitt probably had the most dominant team that year. We had a ton of luck and won the Sugar Bowl despite something like 135 yards of offense and 1-13 passing. And our 1942 “championship” was awarded something like 50 years after the fact. How is that possible?
KPz
October 3rd, 2010
3:29 am
I was at the game, the Missouri strong safety and I had a class together. CU didn’t even score on the 5th down. Gospel.
Bob
October 3rd, 2010
10:49 am
I was at spring break in South Padre with a bunch of CU players in 1990. One openly admitted that alums gave them envelopes of money a couple times a month. How else could they have gone from nothing to Natl. Champs in a few short years? True story, Buffs.