Richt on expansion: ‘Some really serious stuff going on out there’
MACON -– Mark Richt has heard the latest wave of rumors about the Pac-10 possibly annexing half of the Big 12 and about the Big Ten perhaps accelerating its own expansion timetable.
Still, he can’t quite see all of this reaching the SEC.
“It’s really interesting to hear that it’s such a hot topic,” Richt said today at the Georgia Sports Hall of Fame, where he and two of his UGA players joined representatives from other college football programs around the state at the annual Pigskin Preview. “I think [part of it is that] this time of year people are just looking for things to talk about. But I think there is some really serious stuff going on out there.”
Even so . . .
“I don’t know about our league,” Richt added. “I really feel like we’ve got a great league, and we all believe that. We’ve got a tremendous SEC Championship Game; we’ve got our TV contract; we’re 98 percent full every time we roll out the carpet, so to speak; and we’ve had a lot of national champions lately.
“So I don’t think we’re in a rush to change much. We kind of like the way things are going.
“But I really do think that [SEC] commissioner [Mike] Slive will make a good decision. . . . I’m sure he’s got to be thinking about what’s going on in the college landscape today, and I think he’ll keep us on top.”
Richt’s thoughts largely match those expressed by other coaches, athletics directors and school presidents at the SEC meetings last week. The consensus seemed to be that they’re happy with the SEC as currently constituted and would like to keep it as is, but that they also recognize the league must be open to change if the landscape is altered dramatically by expansion and realignment in other conferences.
Richt said the topic came up in coaches’ meetings in Destin. “I don’t think anybody believes something drastic is going to happen [in the SEC] anytime soon,” he said.
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Richt and two Georgia players, linebacker Akeem Dent and wide receiver Kris Durham, answered reporters’ questions at the Pigskin Preview event. More of what they had to say is posted on twitter.com/ajcuga. Please follow us there.
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How2fish
June 8th, 2010
2:11 pm
Good article this could get interesting!
Willie Humper
June 8th, 2010
2:20 pm
The brake lights on my tennis racket keep over-heatin’ when I apply too much nailpolish to my goat’s left testicle.
DawgInMemphis
June 8th, 2010
2:24 pm
Nothing interesting needs to happen with the SEC. Don’t fix what isn’t broken.
All of these other moves are done in an attempt to de-throne the SEC from the pinnacle of college football. Unfortunately for them, our fanbase and passion is the lifeblood of our institutions and you just can’t replicate that. The PAC 10 can become the PAC 16 and the SEC will still run the show.
McDawg
June 8th, 2010
2:28 pm
gotta keep A. Dent healthy this year
james
June 8th, 2010
2:30 pm
” More of what they had to say is posted on twitter.com/ajcuga. Please follow us there.”
what a cheap tactic to get more twitter “followers” and boost your stats.. how about just posting what they actually said on the actual article instead of having to link to the twitter site to get the additional quotes. stupid.
If all goes as currently reported...
June 8th, 2010
2:31 pm
…regarding the PAC 10 and the Big 10(11), then you can mark it down that FSU, Clemson, UM and Louisville will join the SEC…
BigGAdawg
June 8th, 2010
2:33 pm
Expansion makes sense to me ONLY if we are adding Texas and Texas A&M. AND/OR Virginia Tech and Clemson. It would be great to renew that old rivalry with UGA and Clemson. Those were some of the nastiest games ever — very heated grudge matches.
bill_in_atl
June 8th, 2010
2:35 pm
It isn’t broken today, but part of the reason the SEC is the top conference is by being pro-active instead of reactive.
I don’t want to see a change in the conferences, but since it’s inevitable it’s clear the SEC should be working on getting itself positioned to be the best when the dust settles again.
The four I’d like to see come on board are Texas, Texas A&M, UNC and VaTech. I know UNC may not want to split from Duke and its ACC ties, but it would be GREAT for them financially and as we know…money talks. Clemson, FSU and Miami add no real markets and it’s all about the TV markets.
I can see a scenario where the Oklahoma, Kansas and Nebraska based schools get left out in the cold. Those states just don’t have the TV market to make them attractive, but OU and Nebraska may get pulled in just for their name and history. Kansas and K.State have no hope. OSU may get dragged along with the Sooners (if OU gets the invite to go somewhere).
The Big 12 is toast, at least as it’s constituted currently. Just not enough money to hold together.
ormewood
June 8th, 2010
2:37 pm
DawginMemphis is correct. All of these rumors and machinations are fascinating, but in the end, the SEC will still be the predominant football league. The Big 10, though in a good spot presently, is scrambling because so much of their fanbase lies beyond their current footprint. The Rust Belt is dying.
The Big 12 appears to be dying on the vine because of the inequities built into their revenue-sharing not being equal. Texas holds all of the cards in that one. Pac-10 expansion is a bold step but I think being mostly in the Pacific time zone is an impediment. Same is true for baseball and NBA teams that play on the west coast. People are in bed when their games are being played. I’m skeptical. Lubbock, Stillwater, Pullman. Those are outposts that make fielding teams and traveling to and from those locations extremely cost-prohibitive. I read somewhere that if Colorado joins the Pac-10, their closest conference rival would be 600 miles from Boulder.
Paddy
June 8th, 2010
2:37 pm
I do believe that the PAC 10 and the BIG 10 will expand. It is for the tv package that will follow and it will be significant money no doubt. The PAC 10 needs Texas. The Big 10 needs Notre Dame to carry the influence that they want. I just don’t see either Texas or Notre Dame joining those conferences any time soon. They will expand but the after-shock won’t be the same if those two schools stay put. The SEC needs to be ready to add if this monster starts to roll down hill out of control but I like the SEC just as it is.
beatdowns galore
June 8th, 2010
2:39 pm
Well if Clemson were to come into the SEC east it would push both UGA and SC further down toward the cellar in the SEC.
A Pawsitive Experience
June 8th, 2010
2:41 pm
Herschel NEVER scored on the Clemson Tigers !
Big Boy Roy
June 8th, 2010
2:42 pm
“More of what they had to say is posted on twitter.com/ajcuga. Please follow us there.”
Thanks AJC, apparently you don’t work in a real corporate environment. Most companies block twitter, facebook, etc… Hell, I get proxy server warnings all over the AJC pages because of blocked content.
Sam25
June 8th, 2010
2:42 pm
The SEC’s lack of strong academic institutions (outside of Vanderbilt) is the primary reason Texas won’t be coming.
Glory Glory
June 8th, 2010
2:44 pm
Let the other conferences expand all they want. They still won’t be able to touch the SEC.
Oh, and (((((30-24)))))
One Thumb Tom
June 8th, 2010
2:48 pm
9 Members of the big Ten are “Public Ivy’s” (all but Northwestern, which is private, and Purdue). Only one member of the SEC is in that club (Florida).
This makes us (Big 10) better.
ryan
June 8th, 2010
2:49 pm
Texas is not going to the Pac 10 Texas wants to be the big fish do you think the Longhorns want to compete with USC to be the face of the Pac 10.
bill_in_atl
June 8th, 2010
2:50 pm
Sam25, that’s a convenient excuse. The SEC is higher rated than the Big12 and that didn’t stop Texas from signing up. Texas wants to be the big fish in whatever pond they decided to swim in. I’m not saying they are all scared of the SEC, but it’s obvious that they would lose more games playing an SEC slate every year, which in the end would cost them money.
For the Clemson fans above, I hope you’re joking, at least in regard to UGA. Have you actually looked at the series records? It’s UGLY. The only time you were competitive was when you were cheating (more than normal) under Danny Ford.
Asheville Dawg
June 8th, 2010
2:52 pm
Clemson and other Florida schools don’t add much to the SEC. Texas and Va. Tech do. But remember to get those schools you probably have to add Texas A & M and Virginia. Do any of the North Carolina schools add any value?
What is the criteria for adding to the SEC? Football schools or basketball schools? The Big Ten wants research universities.
Finally, the last standing, and unloved, members of the Big 12 conference ( formerly known as the Big
will merge with the Big East so that they may retain BCS status.
Only no one will care.
ormewood
June 8th, 2010
2:54 pm
it would be much easier for Texas to be the big fish in the Pac 10 as compared to the SEC. Plus, it would be open up fertile recruiting ground (CA) for them. Politics make it complicated, however. A&M, TTech, and OK want to attach themselves to the Longhorns, and Baylor and OKSt are trying to do the same.
ormewood
June 8th, 2010
2:57 pm
Asheville Dawg, North Carolina has a national brand, arguably the most significant one in the ACC. It’s for basketball and the school itself, though. Certainly not football. I suppose Miami and FSU, along with Duke, also have significance as national brands. VaTech? maybe. Clemson? Don’t think so.
B-Rob
June 8th, 2010
2:58 pm
Yo yo, Big Boy Roy is right. I got in trouble last month for all the times I was “trying to get to facebook and twitter”, the corporate security looked deeper…Every time I tried to get to thos pages it was from AJC.
Yo dudes, you got to makes your web-page so those of us in da office don’t get into no trouble.
=====Roll Tide=====
Me
June 8th, 2010
3:00 pm
“….we’ve had a lot of national championships lately”. Uhhh…speak for yourself Richt.
billy
June 8th, 2010
3:00 pm
If the PAC 10 gets Texas and Texas A&M – it doesn’t matter if you, SEC, get 2 FSUs, 2 Miamis, or 2 Clempsons (why you would want 1 Clempson, I can’t understand) — the SEC will be the second best conference in the nation
billy
June 8th, 2010
3:01 pm
The SEC will be sorry to get VA Tech. Once you go to Blacksburg and see that whooping, hollering, and “sticking-it-in” chants – well it will just make you sick.
BAMA1
June 8th, 2010
3:02 pm
A Pawsitive Experience
June 8th, 2010
2:41 pm
Herschel NEVER scored on the Clemson Tigers !
How about Alabama in the Georgia Dome: Did they have any luck?
Will
June 8th, 2010
3:02 pm
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it SEC.
billy
June 8th, 2010
3:02 pm
But, please SEC take Clempson and VA Tech — please, please, please.
Me = Lame Brain
June 8th, 2010
3:04 pm
The whole article was about the conferences, idiot.
Sam25
June 8th, 2010
3:04 pm
It is not a convenient excuse…it is reality. A big part of expansion is going to be driven by academics. You are also incorrect regarding the SEC being higher rated than the Big 12, 7 out of the 12 SEC schools are ranked 106 or lower, compared to only 3 in the Big 12 in the latest US News & World Report rankings. SEC and academics are not a good match.
HugoStiglitz
June 8th, 2010
3:05 pm
So all the SEC fans have convinced themselves that all the other conferences want to expand because they fear the SEC? Give me a break. They want to expand to widen their demographic and create or expand their very lucrative TV networks. The real battle going on in college athletics is the battle to generate as much money per school as possible, not trying to win the most championships.
Big John Studd
June 8th, 2010
3:06 pm
Ken Patera and I were the greatest tag team of all time. Just stating facts here people.
What?
June 8th, 2010
3:08 pm
Sam25,
You’re an idiot. Look at those rankings again. The SEC fares better.
jimmy at USC
June 8th, 2010
3:10 pm
UNC is headed North to the Big Ten. Delaney wants 20 AAU schools and will go after Maryland, UVA, Duke, UNC, and GA Tech.
ReddJonn68
June 8th, 2010
3:10 pm
Hey we are all grown here we know whats going on these other so-called powerhouse conferences are not getting the bucks we are in the SEC. We cannot help we are dominating the BCS series. What tickles me is that the presidents won’t budge on getting a valid playoff system, but are gung-ho when it comes too destroying other schools conferences and tradition. This is exactly why Congress has tried to get involved in NCAA football’s business, it seems like it’s being ran by the mob. I mean look when you enter school from PreK to college it’s about discipline, good character , & education. If any of these realignment scenarios play out, the university president’s will look like hoodlum street gangs, in a wild turf battle. And you wonder why some major schools have problems controlling their own programs i.e. Michigan, some conferences don’t even have loyalty from their major schools. We now return you to our regularly scheduled program : “College Football Gone Wild” !!!!!!
jimmy at USC
June 8th, 2010
3:11 pm
I think the SEC should take a wait and see. When the dust settles I think VA Tech and NC State would be great additions.
boots
June 8th, 2010
3:11 pm
Add VA Tech, Clemson, Texas A&M and FL State. But don’t add any more SEC games to the schedule, and don’t go for a member that won’t add much to the rivalries. It seems stupid for the Pac 10 to be adding TX or TX Tech. Those schools have nothing in common with the Pac 10 schools, no geographical connections, no history and no rivalries. This is all about $ and won’t be good for college football.
brent
June 8th, 2010
3:18 pm
hey Sam25, yeah but the BIg 12 has 3 schools that are tier 3 and the sec only has 2.
JJH
June 8th, 2010
3:18 pm
One Thumb Tom,
Georgia ranks higher than Minnesota, Iowa, Indiana, Michigan State, and Purdue.
I guess that makes UGA a “Public Ivy” too.
Delbert D.
June 8th, 2010
3:19 pm
For the Big Ten, PAC-10 and ACC, it’s about academics and finances. Don’t diminish academic quality and add TV footprint and leverage with the networks.
For one example, the ACC could be proactive and add UConn, Rutgers, Syracuse and Pitt from the Big East. All are top tier and are AAU members. That adds greatly to the league TV footprint and adds 2 serious basketball programs. But they probably won’t do that, since the Big Ten will probably act first and select one or more of these (Rutgers has been mentioned specifically). The offer to Missouri and Nebraska is on less than 2-weeks timetable now. Also, Georgia Tech and Maryland (both AAU members) have been mentioned in Big Ten discussions.
Ohio State president reported back to the Big Ten commissioner (who has the backing of the presidents to act) on his communication with Texas’ president. As reported yesterday, there is a “Tech” issue. That could be interpreted that Texas Tech might be needed to follow Texas ans Texas A&M (both top-tier and AAU members). Texas Tech is a Tier 3 school, and not an AAU member.
Here’s a list of the academic situations for each conference that I posted yesterday on TB’s blog:
Academic factors in expansion scenarios
=======================================
CONF———TIER 1&2 Schools
ACC———–All
Big-12——–All but KS St., OK St., TXTech
Big East—–UConn, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse
Big Ten——All
C-USA——-Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa
MAC———-None
Mtn.West—BYU, CO St., TCU, Utah
PAC-10——All but Oregon St.
SEC———–All but Miss.St., Ole Miss
Sun Belt—–None
WAC———-None
Indept.——–Notre Dame
Service Academies are not ranked due to limited curricula
AAU Memberships
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ACC———Duke, Ga.Tech, UVA, MD
Big-12——MO, NE, CO, KS, TX, TX A&M
Big East—Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse
Big Ten—–All
C-USA——Rice, Tulane
PAC-10—–All but AZ St., Wash. St.
SEC———Florida, Vanderbilt
Notes:
1. Big Ten expansion predicated on AAU membership
except in case of Notre Dame*
2. Missouri and Nebraska have Big Ten offers*
3. Missouri and Nebraska have 2 weeks to inform Big-12*
4. Note PAC-10 “choices”from Big-12: Tier1/2, AAU
* Based on news reports
Ruff Ruff Ruff
June 8th, 2010
3:21 pm
Us Dawgs don’t think the SEC should expand because the SEC does nothing but win titles. Since 1980, Georgia has dominated the championship scene along with Florida and Alabama.
Ruff Ruff Ruff. Go get your 16 teams and we will stand pat because a championship for the SEC is a championship for the DAWGS!!! Sic em!!! Ruff Ruff Ruff.
Delbert D.
June 8th, 2010
3:24 pm
Error in the previous post: UConn is *not* an AAU member, but it has a Tier 1/2 ranking of 66, same as Rutgers, and higher ranked than 3 ACC schools (NC. St., FSU and VT.
ReddJonn68
June 8th, 2010
3:26 pm
I beg to differ with anyone who says that education will be a major deciding factor in this process. I guess thats why the PAC-10, who has some great higher learning institutions, looks like the guy trying to get a date at a couples retreat. They didn’t even announce expansion plans until the Big-Ten got the ball rolling & came clean. As for the SEC, would you water down a nice glass of brandy.
Jim Roy
June 8th, 2010
3:26 pm
“Us Dawgs don’t think the SEC should expand because the SEC does nothing but win titles. Since 1980, Georgia has dominated the championship scene along with Florida and Alabama.”
Just how many national chamionships has that been for Georgia? My friend who has only one finger on his left hand could count them on his left hand. BTW, Ga Tech has just as many championships during that period, and at least people under 50 remember the last time Tech won!
deltadog
June 8th, 2010
3:28 pm
It would be a hoot to see Clemson facing an SEC school every weekend instead of another ACC cupcake like they do now. Instead of Maryland, Wake Forest, NC State, Virginia or Duke they’d get Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, LSU, Auburn or Arkansas.
Waterboy
June 8th, 2010
3:29 pm
Jim Roy, I can’t even remember the last time Tech won a bowl game
Paul (you doesn't have to call me Johnson)
June 8th, 2010
3:29 pm
One of the best ways to lure Texas into the SEC is to swap or alternate the Cotton Bowl and the Sugar Bowl as BCS Bowl Series games
HugoStiglitz
June 8th, 2010
3:29 pm
ReddJonn68, actually the Big Ten pays out about 30% more per school then the SEC does. They do very well financially. They just want more.
Erik
June 8th, 2010
3:29 pm
It cracks me up how all the Big 10/11 folks have recently resorted to harping on academics. When you’ve resorted to that, you’ve lost the argument.
The Ivy League has better academics than the Big 10/11 but it’s athletics are not as good. Along the same lines, the Big 10/11 has better academics than the SEC but it’s athletics are not as good.
Go Dawgs.
Gravy Train
June 8th, 2010
3:31 pm
Bring in Texas (Huge TV addition) and Oklahoma (another midwest market share), maybe FSU (always belonged in SEC) and Va Tech (push the demo north). Nothing to gain by adding Clemson (Where’s Danny?) or Georgia Tech (Turkey Neck and the Old Goat). The SEC is and will be the innovator and the Super Conference.
Rudy sacked your QB
June 8th, 2010
3:34 pm
Uh…Jim Roy…GT didn’t win the 1990 National Championship. Colorado did. They actually played a tough schedule and went to a big bowl game.
Dan
June 8th, 2010
3:37 pm
The reports indicate that Texas is not interested in the SEC. Plus, if any of you had actually gone to Austin, you’d know that culturally it is more a Pac-10 school than SEC school.
I think the Big 10 is trying to find a way to force ND’s hand to get them into their league. If they get that done, they’ll probably call it a day.
hammerhead
June 8th, 2010
3:38 pm
Jim Roy – Ruff Ruff Ruff is on your side… you need to re-read his entry and understand he’s taking a shot at us Georgia fans. Try on a little sarcasm and you’ll understand.
Jim Roy
June 8th, 2010
3:38 pm
Rudy sacked your QB
What, they ended up #1 in the Coaches Poll, it was a split championship, but a championship…And when was the last time that Georgia even played for a national championship?
Jim Roy
June 8th, 2010
3:39 pm
hammerhead
You know us Tech grads can’t read it unless it contains an engineering formula in the sentence
Dewey Oxburger
June 8th, 2010
3:42 pm
Here’s the skinny……
The Pac 10 will add Texas, TX A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, OK St. and Colorado.
The Big Ten will add Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas St. and Notre Dame.
The SEC should then invite Clemson, Fla St. Miami and Ga Tech to get to 16 schools.
The remaining ACC schools would then unite with the 8 Big East Schools to form another 16 Team Conference.
ReddJonn68
June 8th, 2010
3:42 pm
That may be true HugoStiglitz, but this is all based on the TV revenue that will be generated & let’s not forget the BCS buzz or potential payout, that will also generate more funds. I do not think this will work out as well for baskeball, baseball, or track. Not to exclude any collegiate sport, I think logistically & revenue wise football will keep things afloat at first if any of these realignments ever make it.
Russell Dowripple
June 8th, 2010
3:44 pm
Dewey,
There you go. That’s a show.
N. Saban
June 8th, 2010
3:47 pm
Nothing will happen until they call me. Hell no I’m….err I mean we aren’t inviting Texas, no sirree………Maybe TCU or SMU….
hammerhead
June 8th, 2010
3:47 pm
As for “when was the last time Georgia even played for a nat’l c’ship? I’d argue 2002 – when Terrance Edwards (bless his heart) dropped a wide open TD pass against the Gators in Jax (lost 20-13)… Alas, we finished 13-1 and #3, I believe. #2 finish in 2007 doesn’t count IMHO because we didn’t win the conference.
conyers dog
June 8th, 2010
3:48 pm
Keep it like it is or add say a Texas A&M and a Va. Tech to get the depth of a larger tv audience.
Jim Roy
June 8th, 2010
3:48 pm
“The remaining ACC schools would then unite with the 8 Big East Schools to form another 16 Team Conference.”
Perhaps they could actually muster engough fortitude to give the Sunbelt Conference a run for their money
Dewey Oxburger
June 8th, 2010
3:48 pm
Russell,
It’s like looking at the sun, you catch a glimpse, then you look away!
N. Saban
June 8th, 2010
3:51 pm
You mean I ‘ve gotta play Miami, FSU and Florida….and LSU……and…..Duke at noon.
I might as well retire. I will never get another title……….I don’t like this expansion talk.
Dewey Oxburger
June 8th, 2010
3:52 pm
The remnants of the ACC and Big East would be more of a basketball conference than a football conference anyway. The Big Hoops Remnants Conference!
Fair and Balanced
June 8th, 2010
3:57 pm
Other conferences talk about expansion because they need to do something to catch up with the SEC. The SEC ain’t broke. Don’t try to fix it!
Chad
June 8th, 2010
4:05 pm
Yes you are fortunate to have bama and fla. But things go in cycles. If you think it will continue look at fsu, neb and miami fans who believed the same thing at the start of the century. Watch as those schools rebound this year and beyond. Of course the sec might take them which would add more to their fortune.
AZ Dawg
June 8th, 2010
4:05 pm
Lets get Ga Tech in – that would be a guaranteed conference win each year!
jarvis
June 8th, 2010
4:06 pm
No need to apologize Delbert. No one reads posts that long anyway.
Glenn
June 8th, 2010
4:07 pm
The SEC doesn’t need to expand . It will still have the biggest tv contract & its locked up for many years . I believe they would add Texas A&M who would choose the SEC over the PAC 10. That would give them the Texas tv market . At that point they would add one team from a state would give them new exposure & add revenue . I would bet it would be VA Tech . If not West Virginia .
Brusierbrody
June 8th, 2010
4:08 pm
Fair and Balanced, you and Richt both do not get it. Nobody cares about the “voted on” national championships the SEC has or how fast their players are. This is about 1 thing and 1 thing alone. Money. You can win the next 20 national championship games in a row and your team payouts will still be below the Big 10. It is funny to watch the SEC fans talk about how great their football teams are and then put their heads in the sand. You guys are starting to sound like the Irish fans. there is nothing wrong with sitting back and watching before you make a move, but to talk about how many trophies you have won proves you are not paying attention.
hjh
June 8th, 2010
4:09 pm
look at the sec bowl history last year. pathetic!!!
Just shut up
June 8th, 2010
4:09 pm
Chad,
You’re kidding yourself if you think the SEC is just Bama and Fla. I guess whining about academics was already called out on here, so you had to resort to other attempts at “spin”.
Dewey Oxburger
June 8th, 2010
4:11 pm
“I used to swallow a lot of aggression….along with a lot of pizza!”
Seriously, I fear that in this round of conference realignment and expansion it’s either grow or be pillaged.
Bluto
June 8th, 2010
4:12 pm
ReddJonn68 you are wrong the Big 10 schools are getting bigger payouts than the SEC. Look it up. And they are doing it with a inferior product. Now that has to burn, no matter how much you win your check will always be smaller….
Cletus the SEC Fan
June 8th, 2010
4:12 pm
Erik
June 8th, 2010
3:29 pm
It cracks me up how all the Big 10/11 folks have recently resorted to harping on academics. When you’ve resorted to that, you’ve lost the argument.
Yeah, SEC fans surely don’t care about academics. If the Big Ten adds the right AAU schools, the Big Ten will control over 40% of the research money allotted to Universities in THE COUNTRY. And they find ways/have partnerships to share this between conference members. The athletics payouts are dwarfed by the research dollars.
BAMA1
June 8th, 2010
4:12 pm
I would love to have Texas in the SEC, but I wouldn’t drive there again for nothing.. . That’s just toooooo damn far, and I live in Bama. I couldn’t imagine driving from South Carolina. And yes, I know there are planes….but for that price, i’d watch it at home.
RVGnap
June 8th, 2010
4:18 pm
Cletus,
I think you just proved his point. Big 10 people have recently resorted to taking athletic arguments/debates and turning them into academic arguments/debates.
Cletus the SEC Fan
June 8th, 2010
4:22 pm
Which I know you SEC folk find difficult to keep up with…..
Cletus the SEC Fan
June 8th, 2010
4:23 pm
I will try to type slower.
UglyOldDog
June 8th, 2010
4:23 pm
beatdowns galore….how’s the base-a-ball team…losers again, like 3 straight years…what a joke…go stroke your little slide rule
TX Ex
June 8th, 2010
4:23 pm
Texas would be more interested in Big 10 than SEC because of academics and R&D money. Texas has a pretty high R&D cash, but Big 10 could help them up it. And the Big 10 would like 2 TX senators in their pocket to appropriate more $ to Big 10 R&D funds. I read that Bama spends only 1/10 of it’s football budget on R&D. Typical SEC – big on football, small on education.
JW
June 8th, 2010
4:28 pm
What happens in the Big 12 largely depends on what happens in the Big 10. If the Big 10 misses out on their bid for Notre Dame and instead invite Missouri and Nebraska, the rest of the Big 12 is going to be looking to jump ship too. The current thought is that Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech and either Colorado or Baylor would head to the Pac-10, with the rest of the Big 12 looking at maybe the Mountain West conference.
As a Colorado alumni, I think a trip to the MWC might not be so bad, since their chances in a stacked Pac-10 wouldn’t be very good.
Joe P.
June 8th, 2010
4:28 pm
The Big Ten is going to form a ‘Big Ten South’ division as they expand their conference to 18, 20 or 21 (if Notre Dame) institutions. Florida and Vanderbilt from the SEC, along with Duke, UNC, Virginia and Georgia Tech (and likely Maryland) from the ACC.
Yes, it’s all driven by money — but most people are fixated on the athletics money and TV network money — that’s small potatoes. What the University Presidents care about is the Research budgets — which are 10x-20x the athletic budget in these schools. Penn State immediately raised their research grants 20% in 1991 after they joined the Big Ten’s Committee of Institutional Cooperation.
So the SEC will be looking to replace Florida and Vanderbilt, but the ACC will be basically demolished, so there should be plenty of candidates….
Delbert D.
June 8th, 2010
4:31 pm
The Big Ten has always been about academics over athletics. When the rest of the country were playing 10 game schedules in the 1960s, the Big Ten played 9 game schedules. It was not until the 1975 season that the Big Ten allowed teams to play in bowl games other than the Rose Bowl. Until 1971, the Big Ten did not allow the same team to represent the conference in consecutive years in the Rose Bowl (an exception made after the 1961 season in which Minnesota played in the 1962 Rose Bowl after playing in the 1961 Rose Bowl due to Ohio State declining the bid.)
Anita McCambridge
June 8th, 2010
4:32 pm
Demolish the ACC? How DARE you!!!
PTC DAWG
June 8th, 2010
4:32 pm
You “small picture” guys crack me up.
the real Old Gold
June 8th, 2010
4:34 pm
I thought Kris Durham graduated?
GA Native
June 8th, 2010
4:36 pm
Texas wants to remain the top dog in the Big XII, with their own network. If, however, CU, NU and MU bolt for another conference, Texas will have to look for a new home. Texas will probably end up in the Pac 10, or even the Big 10, before they’d move to the SEC.
Oh and don’t kid yourselves, an expanded Pac 10 with USC, Texas and Oklahoma, and to a lesser extent, OSU, A&M, TT, Cal, UCLA, ASU, Stanford, Colorado, etc. would be as good or better than the SEC. The conference would also be vastly superior to the SEC in terms of academics and tv footprint.
If the Pac 10 and Big 10 go to 16 teams, the SEC will have to grow to remain relevant. I’d guess Virginia Tech would be high on the conference’s list since the SEC doesn’t have a presence in VA. The FL market is already covered by UF, just as the ATL mkt is covered by UGA, but I could see GT and FSU getting an invitation. Clemson is a possibility, but the school doesn’t offer much in the way of TV viewers. If the SEC is smart, they’d go after OU, OSU and maybe A&M. Those schools would expand the geographic footprint of the conference, while adding solid teams that are probably culturally and academically more in line with the SEC. Not sure I’d want to see them in the SEC, but Miami would bring the South Florida/Miami media market with it, so they’d probably be considered.
hammerhead
June 8th, 2010
4:36 pm
*hjh* – The SEC’s record in 2009-10 bowls was 6-4; Big 10 4-3; ACC 3-4; Big 12 4-4 and the PAC 10 2-5. Bama won the only game that mattered. All the other conference bowl records do not count.
Stanfield
June 8th, 2010
4:36 pm
Would like to see miami, Fla. State, Va. Tech and Ga. Tech join the SEC. Even though these programs are slumping right now, they are good programs and will rebound.
Gipper's Ghost
June 8th, 2010
4:39 pm
The Big 10 could have had Notre Dame about 100 years ago, if it were not for the anti-ND bias of then Michigan Coach Fielding Yost.
ND was forced to play a national schedule in the early 20th century, and it worked out pretty well for them. The only way ND will join the Big 10 now is if the Big East implodes as a result of the conference realignments. This would pretty much force ND’s hand, but would make travel a lot easier for the non-revenue sports.
In Russ we Trust
June 8th, 2010
4:42 pm
FWIW, UF and UGA are both listed as “Public Ivy’s”…not just UF. UF and UGA rate higher academically than all current schools in the Big 12 with the exception of Texas (UF and UGA in the same neighborhood per US News). Of course, Vandy ranks higher than all Big 12 schools. So moving to the SEC would be step up for Texas. Of course, this is not what it is about…the only thing that matters is $$$$. The rest is just talk.
Casual Observer
June 8th, 2010
4:44 pm
After reading some of the most idiotic diatribes from SEC fans, I am now in favor of MAJOR expansion all over the college football landscape. Not an SEC hater, but you all are in need of serious therapy to remedy your delusional theories about a conference, even when others are stating facts. SEC is on top from a football perspective purely because all the talent rests in the region and kids choose to go to school locally. SEC is winning national championships because SEC coaches had a renewed emphasis on defense. I rarely see blown coverages in SEC games like in years past (SEC ALWAYS had dynamic offenses). That being said, the college football landscape WILL change SOON. Due to this transformation (like all dynasties in the middle ages), this bird will too be knocked from its perch.
BTW, reading these posts tells me why we are no longer the #1 Superpower. Average person can’t conjugate verbs nor form proper sentences. Go to Belgium, and the average citizen can pull out 4 languages out of their back pockets.
bill_in_atl
June 8th, 2010
4:46 pm
To those who claim it’s all about research money instead of athletic money and use the claim that it’s 10x to 20x higher, I only ask one question. Where is all the extra money coming from and why would it go to an AAU school that isn’t already receiving it?
Are you saying that by joining the Big Ten a school like Maryland will instantly end up with $200 Million in extra research grants that they wouldn’t have otherwise gotten?
I realize the research grants are huge, but again why would the recipient change based solely on who plays in what football conference?
This doesn’t pass the logic test. If I’m wrong, please explain. I’m open to hearing how it would work.
Delbert D.
June 8th, 2010
4:51 pm
Want to know why Texas and Texas A&M are joined at the hip?
Texas A&M is in the top 20 research universities in terms of funding ($570 million invested). A&M is one of a select few universities with land-grant, sea-grant and space-grant designations. The University of Texas is also a major center for academic research (research expenditures exceeding $590 million in 2009.) Except for MIT, UT attracts more federal research grants than any American university without a medical school.
Ivana Humpurmom
June 8th, 2010
5:00 pm
Seriously, I think Texas, GT and Clemson wood be good addition to the SEC. Knock them silly doggies down a few pegs! Oh wait, they are already down a few pegs!
D-MAN
June 8th, 2010
5:02 pm
We want teams that sell out stadiums,not tech!
Dig Bick
June 8th, 2010
5:02 pm
Come on now!!!! SEC aint broke, den dont try to fix it. We like stormtroopers, we gonna take over again like weee do every year no what I is sayyin? Coooooooooool mane!
Ivana Humpurmom
June 8th, 2010
5:04 pm
GT would be an excellent candidate because Atlanta is a major stomping ground for tons of SEC fans, so it would be a good mix to toss them in. Duke, UNC uhh no thanks, leave them together so they can spank each other back and forth in basketball rendevous.
Uneasy Rider
June 8th, 2010
5:07 pm
Just imagine the if the current intrastate rivalry games had conference title implications: UF-FSU, UF-Miami, UGA-GT and SC-Clemson.
Talk about TV Ratings!!!
Pen Is Head
June 8th, 2010
5:07 pm
I kind of agree with Ms. Humpurmom, Georgia Tech would be an great addition, but Clemson and Virginia Tech would be good as well. This is really going to get interesting!
Chris
June 8th, 2010
5:08 pm
There is something to gain by adding Clemson. You gain a another big, full stadium on one of the best campuses for tailgaiting and spending an afternoon or evening. You turn on the tv and you see rubbing the rock, running down the hill instead of the Canes in front of 30,000 in Landshark, Sunlife stadium. You see you conference add a good program that is within the footprint and adds to the tightness and rivalries of the conference. You add another state rivalry. You add another short drive to go and see your teams play. But if you want to just add a big city market, then Miami, or GT is your team. If you want to add another state, then Kansas, or VT. My perfect scenarion is for the SEC to snag Tex AM for the big new state and area, then use schools already in the footprint to fill the other three spots to keep the SEC from looking like the Pac-16 or ACC or Big 16 and stretching all over the place. I would like to see Tex AM, Clemson, FSU, GT or for two states Tex Am, Clemson, FSU and VT. GT may be more interested in Big Ten. The proximity and intensity is what has made the SEC the best.
Delbert D.
June 8th, 2010
5:14 pm
bill_in_atl –
Not quite like that. Maryland (and all Big Ten members) are members of the Association of American Universities, an invitation-only organization. One of the criteria for acceptance is how much research money the institution already gets. Among other things, this group sets policy on federal research and how the money should be spent. About 57% of all federal research grant dollars go to the 62 members of the AAU. The most recent of their published data is $17.2 billion to AAU members in 2007.
The Big Ten schools collaborate among themselves on research grant and other academic issues. They are all AAU, and they will accept only AAU members, with the exception of Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a very highly regarded academic university. In May, they exceeded $100 million in research grants for the first time (and this is a catholic school, which obviously make them selective about some grants.) Georgia Tech, which was was accepted into the AAU in April, has research grants totaling $593 million. It is the first new AAU member in 9 years.
OHIO STATE FAN
June 8th, 2010
5:26 pm
Every time we lose to a SEC school, I just sit back a smile thinking about all the research dollars the BIG 10/11 receives.
GT FAN
June 8th, 2010
5:30 pm
OHIO STATE FAN, I understand how you feel, everytime we lose to UGA, I just sit back and smile thinking about how well I did on the math portion of the SAT.
Delbert D.
June 8th, 2010
5:31 pm
It’s a matter of perspective, I guess. In reality, many universities play football. I think among some in the fan bases, their favorite teams play school.
It's hard to be humble when you're a DAWG !!!
June 8th, 2010
5:34 pm
Every time we whip GT, I just sit back and smile about the high quality academic and social education I received in Athens. Thet two-fold education has benefited me in ways that you pencil-neck, pocket-protector wearing, slide rule losers on the flats could never even comprehend. HBTD !!!!
Cedartown Dawg
June 8th, 2010
5:36 pm
Richt has bigger problems than conference expansion to worry about. For example, why are more UGA football players arrested every year than at any other school in the country?
And why is UGA near the top of the list for penalties?
And most importantly, when will he hire a fashion coordinator to get the uniform colors right this year?
Oh… And when will UGA beat Florida?
Worry about those little things, Coach Richt.
UGA FAN
June 8th, 2010
5:38 pm
OHIO STATE FAN and GT FAN, Everytime I see you on our schedule, I just sit back and smile. Everyone who attends a BIG 10/11 or ACC school is better than anyone who attends a SEC school, except on saturday. Hell, 6 out of 7 days a week ain’t bad. Could you imagine how great your life would be if this were a research blog and not a football blog.
WEDGY NAN
June 8th, 2010
5:47 pm
Hiding BEHIND academics, when it come to talking football starts in elementry school and festers its self in highschool.
Delbert D.
June 8th, 2010
6:02 pm
When I first started following college football, the big news in university-assisted research was the polio vaccine and the details on the Manhattan Project. A lot of stuff has been developed or discovered since then. Football has changed from playing both ways to free substitution.
BigTimeTechFan
June 8th, 2010
6:04 pm
If it happens the ACC will pick up:
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
ACC Coastal:
Ga Tech
Clemson
Georgia
Florida
Miami
FSU
Alabama
Auburn
That would be a sweet sub-Conf, best football division in the country
Serena
June 8th, 2010
6:05 pm
…the high quality academic and social education I received in Athens.
High quality academic education at UGA? What planet are you from, you bozo?
Social education, yes. You partied it up and stayed drunk most of the time.
sam
June 8th, 2010
6:14 pm
sounds like the PAC-10 is desperate to compete with the SEC
hjh
June 8th, 2010
6:26 pm
south car got beat by U Conn
LSU beat by Penn State
Ky beat by Clemson
SEC is no better or worse than the other top 3 conferences.
Lenny
June 8th, 2010
6:28 pm
The SEC is on top of the football now but don’t fool yourself into thinking it is not impervious to change. Conference power can be cyclical and the SEC should be ready to counter actions taken by other conferences. Yes, academics may have a hand deciding who goes where but the bottom line on conference expansion is TV ratings areas, broadcast revenues, and geographic footprints. You’re deluding yourself if you think the Pac 10 adding the Big 12 six wouldn’t be a conference capable of challenging the SEC OR Big 10. If the SEC expands I would like to get Texas A&M (Texas is just too high maintenance) and Virginia Tech first. That expands the SEC into Houston, Dallas, and Washington D.C metros. Next, I would prefer FSU since they are a national brand and would lock down the state of Florida and another Texas or Oklahoma school. Adding in the West will open up that area to recruiting and give LSU and Arkansas more geographic rivalries which they need.
Greensboro, Georgia
June 8th, 2010
6:32 pm
*
……. .Nesbitt for Heisman ……..
bird dawg
June 8th, 2010
6:42 pm
Here’s a thought. If sec adds 4, make duke and unc 2 of the 4 and the sec would be the top football and basketball conference (only if 4 are added, if only two then go football heavy ie fsu, clemson, va tech, wvu, etc.) Any thoughts?
GoDawgs
June 8th, 2010
6:53 pm
Based on logistics for all sports and good overall sports programs with SEC rivalries already, Clemson and Ga Tech would be the best fit. Everyone wants to talk Texas and for football it’s great. You have to take the entire sports program into account with travel. I think it would be to much for them as well as current SEC schools to go through that with each sport.
thunderbull56
June 8th, 2010
6:58 pm
Bring back the old Southwest Conference.Houston,SMU,TCU,Texas Tech,Texas,Texas A&M,Arkansas,Baylor.Add UTEP and New Mexico,Okl,Okl St,Tulsa,Col and Col St.Add BYU, Utah,Boise St.,Nevada to Pac whatever west.Add NC,,GT,FSU,Miami to SEC.Consolidate Big East and ACC to fourteen, sixteen.Boston College, Syracuse,Buffalo,West Virginia,U Conn,Maryland,Virginia,N C State,Clemson,Marshall(West Virginia),UCF,USF,Pitt,Rutgers,if they don’t big ten it.
Tide Roll
June 8th, 2010
7:02 pm
Please Richt, Just one year and one year only – Sturdivant, Glenn, Burnette, Anderson, Davis, and you’ll win the East. Play ‘em and win the East Don’t and you may be gone. Your problem was, is, and always will be, your refusal to play the best athletes on the offensive line. READ THIS: Florida Gators – Nixon, Johnson, Pouncey, Hurt, Gilbert. That’s Florida’s offensive line. You have the same if not better talent yet won’t play them as a unit, thus year after year the Gators own you . You moved Kiante Tripp after assuring him he would be a first round draft pick as a offensive tackle, and now have incredibly moved bean anderson to defense. one has to wonder if there is another reason thses kids aren’t allowed to play as a unit, as they are in Florida.
Me
June 8th, 2010
7:11 pm
Yep, just face it you mangy mutts, Florida is your owner and master!
bill_in_atl
June 8th, 2010
7:30 pm
Delbert, I still don’t know if I can agree that moving the to Big Ten conference to compete in sports would get a school extra tens of millions in research grants. If so then some folks need to be locked up for corruption.
Otis from Mayberry
June 8th, 2010
7:35 pm
I think Clemson in the SEC is a long shot, do you really think they want to lose in Georgia 3 times a year. Tech, Dawgs and the Chick fil a bowl. O wait they probaly would not be bowling with 8 losses a year.
PSU #1
June 8th, 2010
7:37 pm
Until all the expansion talk, I never realised how good the Big Ten is in academics. It uterally rules any conference of public universities.
Big Ten 9/10 are Public Ivories (Northwestern is private). SEC, just 2 Ivories (UGA and UF)
Big Ten All AAU member, SEC, just Vandy and UF
UF is by far the best in academics and athletics.
Need I say, coach Paterno will have 400 victories (about as many as all active SEC coaches combined) if he wins six this season (a given since we’re a pre-season top 10), and he does not die on the gridiron (it’s certainly not a given that dude will make it until early January, he’s like 2.5 times as old as Lane Kiffen)…and oh yeah, JoePa never had a NCAA violation in his 45 years as head coach or 60 years on the staff).
I’ll take academics as #1 and athletics as a close second over athletics as #1 and academics as a distant #19th.
Otis from Mayberry
June 8th, 2010
7:38 pm
Now that Teblow is gone we will see the Gators the most talented under achievers around. O wait we saw that last year!!!!!!
Otis from Mayberry
June 8th, 2010
7:40 pm
You take your academics for those states that are declining in all aspects of life except rust collection. This is about football and we own your butt!!!!
PSU #1
June 8th, 2010
7:49 pm
Well Otis from Mayberry , there is a reason I moved from Pittsburgh to Atlanta three days after I graduated from college. That reason is jobs. And that demographic change is hurting the Big 10, especially Michigan.
PSU #1
June 8th, 2010
8:02 pm
BTW Otis from Mayberry Penn State versus the SEC since 1992 PSU is 5-2. That sounds like we have your conference’s a$$ (albeit three of those wins are against Tennessee!) And I also recall PSu beating UGA in a Sugar Bowl for a National Championship.
Delbert D.
June 8th, 2010
8:21 pm
bill_in_atl -
Interesting point, since these are government grants. However, the government is the most likely source of not only corruption, but also ineptitude. That’s why they allow for non-government oversight. The afore-mentioned Manhattan Project is an example. The oversight was civilian, and eventually became the Atomic Energy Commission. Selected scientists and other university people, business people and a few former government officials were responsible for advising President Roosevelt on the atomic bomb program. It was so secret that VP Truman wasn’t in the loop.
CFville
June 8th, 2010
8:27 pm
Notre Dame is going to make a decision between Independence, the Big 10 and the ACC. B10 is close and make sense, the ACC is quality and will keep them in the south for recruiting and keep their ties to BC and Navy…., or Independence or death may be their battle cry.
Navy will come to the ACC if ND does.
Connecticut/Rutgers or Connecticut/Kentucky will also join.
Don’t be surprised if KY joins the B10 due to proximity.
guy
June 8th, 2010
8:27 pm
Willie Humper is very smart and an even better smart _ _ _!
Delbert D.
June 8th, 2010
8:30 pm
PSU #1 -
I remember the concern when Rip Engle retired and Joe Paterno was promoted to the job. “Oh, man is Joe going to be as good as Coach Engle? He took us to the Gator Bowl in ‘62.” The Gator Bowl was a pretty big deal at that time.
One, two, free, fo, fi, them der Gator don't take no jive!
June 8th, 2010
8:35 pm
Otis from Mayberry,
Now that is truly one fitting handle. Drunk azz redneck!
PSU #1
June 8th, 2010
8:40 pm
Delbert D. if you actaulayy remember that, your as old as dirt. My only problem with Paterno has always been after a loss, he remembers when we lost to them in ‘52 and Truman commented on the big game! Unfortunately for those us us who were no eligible for Social Security in 1989, those games mean nothing. But at least with the edition of Galan Hall, we have kept up with the times (unlike in ‘93 when we were on the one and had a first against Michigan and tried up the middle, up the middle, up the middle, and again on fouth up the middle…it was a total Big Ten stereotype of running up the middle).
Nothing beats a good Big Ten game like PSU-Iowa in 2005 where the final was 6-4…excepty for that Auburn game a couple of years back that was 3-2.
Delbert D.
June 8th, 2010
8:40 pm
CFville –
I can see that scenario, since Air Force is in a conference. UK would be an unlikely choice for the ACC, since they are at the very bottom of the top tier academically, tied with LSU and Arkansas at #128. The Big Ten certainly would not take them. Otherwise, I agree that the scenarios are about as good as anything I’ve seen.
The Big Ten has offered ND twice, the last being 5 years ago. The presidents at that time agreed to table the issue for another 5 years, which is now. They really want a yes or no answer, because they are going to move on.
Delbert D.
June 8th, 2010
8:46 pm
PSU #1 –
I like the “old as dirt” comment. I resemble that remark.
3 years after he was hired, I was stationed in the Baltimore area, and Penn State got a lot of coverage in the Baltimore Sun. They had a rivalry with Maryland, along with West Virginia and Pitt. Several years later I lived in South Jersey, and Penn State got a lot of coverage in the Philly papers. They had more fans in the greater Philly area than Temple did.
PSU #1
June 8th, 2010
9:00 pm
Delbert D.
I recall several years ago when PSu played Temple yearly, the only games that Temple had an attendence over 5k were PSU (fans who could not get ticket to home games at PSU). I also recall that temple was almost kicked out of Div 1A for lack of attendance.
Yes, PSU has way more fans in Philly than any college team (our paid dues almuni association is the largest in the country with over 500,000 paying members, and over 2,000 of them in metro Atlanta [which probably makes us as big a GA tech in Atlanta!]).
But yeah, I’ll be the first to admit JoePa is old as dirt…a few years ago he had to run off the sidelines and through the huddle to get to the locker room. Every one wondered what was happening, was he just informed his wife died? Nope, as an old dude, he had to go the the $hitter, after the game he said the he would have been more embarassed had he not run off quickly.
Hell, the reason he was in the booth most of last year, was he injured himself demonstarting how to do an on-sides kick. How many 83 year old coaches (all 6 or so of them in all levels of CFB) actually demonstate how to play.
I like watching the SEC, it’s by far the best conference right now. No one can hold a candle, but JoePa has elevated himself above all coaches (Eddie Robinson included). No that Bobby has retired, I seriously doubt that any couch will ever have 394 wins (and counting) again, much less that many wins at a single school…and his salary is “only” in the mid 700’s. But he is such a character, that he takes more pride in his graduation rate and the library annex that his fundraising built than any of his wins. I like coaches Dooley, Bryant, Hayes, and Schembeckler, but Paterno has outlasted everyone. Hell, he coaching the gandkids of some of his players.
PSU #1
June 8th, 2010
9:10 pm
I’ll also point out that PSU was undefeated and untied in ‘68, ‘69, ‘73, ‘94…and did not even get a share of the national championships those years. Name any other coach who had 4 endeafeated/untied season that did not get a championship. There are none. Paterno embodies the best that the NCAA has to offer in academics and athletics.
Delbert D.
June 8th, 2010
9:10 pm
PSU #1 – JoePa has a bunch of years on me. I do *not* remember when he quarterbacked the Nittany Lions. Growing up in Georgia, most of the information came from Street and Smith’s College Football preseason book (I lived for that magazine to hit the stores), and short AP/UPI writeups (if any) in the Sunday paper for everybody but SEC schools.
Gomer from GT
June 8th, 2010
9:12 pm
DA on no.ave.
Loquatious T. Futtbuck
June 8th, 2010
9:13 pm
Are there ANY straight people left in the peepo’s Wookas Repubik of Botslanta?
Gomer from GT
June 8th, 2010
9:14 pm
Say hey to goober.
PSU #1
June 8th, 2010
9:21 pm
One of the things I alway admired at Coach Holtz (Lou), he could be p;aying the worst team in CFB, yet he would still describe the upcoming game as a challenge, and after the win he would always say the game was a lot closer than the final score. Only coaches with inferiority complexes (I’m talking to you Steve Spurrier) run up the score in some attempt to prove that they are better. A good coach let’s his players character’s speak for themselves.
MIAMI # 1
June 8th, 2010
9:28 pm
BULLDOG’S ARE NOT A VERY GOOD TEAM OR ARE MOST OF THE S.E.C. TEAM’S,,MIAMI AND FSU WOULD RULE IN THE S.E.C. AND LITTLE TEAMS LIKE WAKE FORREST WOULD WIN THE S.E.C. CHAMPIONSHIP,,POOR BULLDOGS
MIAMI # 1
June 8th, 2010
9:31 pm
THERE IS NOTHING GOOD TO SAY ABOUT THE S.E.C.
THE COACH
June 8th, 2010
9:35 pm
I’m tired of hearing this crap about expansion. I’m trying to relax in the mountains of Georgia. I do not really care who u guys pick, big 10, 12, 16,……..I really don’t give a dam. Because if Texas is the key, well I suppose we’ve proved we are the key. Texas don’t wann come here, haaa haaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. What do u think Mrs. Terry? “haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ahhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.”
Nicholas Saban. mess w/ me i breaka you face!
THE COACH
June 8th, 2010
9:37 pm
also if the real nick saban finds out how bad i just spelled all that…………… he may just get mad as hell and call me.
n.s.
Paul W. Bryant
June 8th, 2010
9:42 pm
What does academics have to do with getting first downs?
One, two, free, fo, fi, them der Gator don't take no jive!
June 8th, 2010
9:44 pm
PSU #1,
I think we’d all agree that JoePa is a living legend. He’s has been and continues to be the class of college football. I, for one, am glad that the will retire witht he most wins in Div 1. I don’t think you’ll ever see another coach again with that kind of longevity at one school. The almighty dollar rules these days.
GR82BAG8R
June 8th, 2010
9:57 pm
Miami # 1 – The SEC is the premier conference in college football, period. Miami and Florida State are a shell of their former powerhouse selves, and you know it. The SEC would stomp you into further oblivion.
Oh, and by the way, all you Georgia fans that keep dismissing Georgia Tech’s 1990 championship – - get over it. They were the only undefeated team in the country, and have more claim to the 1990 title than Colorado, who needed five downs to beat Notre Dame. That being said, Miami was the best team at the end of that season, and proved it by obliterating Texas.
The SEC should only expand if the new schools have the stadium and attendance levels that equal the SEC-caliber, and that means 80K. That leaves out Georgia Tech.
Delbert D.
June 8th, 2010
10:13 pm
Paul W. Bryant “What does academics have to do with getting first downs?”
I dunno. It didn’t seem to help Reggie Ball.
Delbert D.
June 8th, 2010
10:18 pm
GR82BAG8R – “stadium and attendance levels that equal the SEC-caliber, and that means 80K”
Should the SEC contract? Replace non-compliers?
By the way, I wish you’d change your ID. It gives me a headache every time I try to read it. Otherwise, we’re fine.
Otis from Baymerry
June 8th, 2010
10:21 pm
Dawgs suck. Even the few who haven’t been arrested suck.
Bezel
June 8th, 2010
10:26 pm
Maybe the Ivy League could take UGA for comic relief. Show some of the drunk players staggering around, or show Dawg fans rushing to their mailbox to see if their unemployment check came. You know, real-life stuff like that.
Delbert D.
June 8th, 2010
10:31 pm
My last post of the night: ‘Some really serious stuff going on out there’
Since when did Mark Richt start talking like Chipper Jones?
BarryH
June 8th, 2010
10:33 pm
It’s kind of sad to see all the Dawg fans getting so excited this year (just like the year before, the year before that, etc.). How long is it going to take for UGA fans to realize that UGA is simply no longer relevant in the SEC? In the national picture, UGA isn’t even a blip on the radar, and hasn’t
been since the preseason #1 ranking two years ago.
Sit back and be grateful for the seven or eight wins you’ll get every year. Coaching genius Mark Richt may take you to 10-2 or even 11-1 occasionally, but Florida will still win the SEC, meaning no BCS bowls and no top 15 final ranking. Most years, UGA will be very lucky to finish in the top 25, and only after a big bowl win over a nobody opponent.
It’s a different world now, and Dawg fans, like Miami and Ole Miss fans, need to adjust their expectations downward to reflect reality.
Unfortunately nothing is going to change until UGA changes its mediocre coaching. That’s where the difference is, and that’s why everyone outside Bulldog Nation just laughs at Dawg fans getting so excited year after year about what a great recruiting class UGA gets. It doesn’t matter how many
blue chip high school plays go to UGA, they simply don’t get the coaching they would get at Florida or Alabama, to name two schools whose programs are far ahead of UGA. And that’s not going to change as long as Mark Richt is in Athens.
Get your heads out of the sand and face reality. And mediocrity and irrelevance.
That and being the pathetic laughingstock of the nation.
Loquatious T. Futtbuck
June 8th, 2010
10:45 pm
The Techies didn’t like my joke, so they censored it. Seig heil!
joe schmoe
June 8th, 2010
10:52 pm
Who cares?
Bunch of self-absorbed morons.
col fot
June 8th, 2010
11:07 pm
Those schools are trying to load up to compete with the SEC. The Southeastern Conference is so much stronger than the other conderences, it’s a joke. Top to bottom the SEC is in a class of their own and have been for years. How many teams out there would like to face the likes of Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, South Carolina and all the others on weekly bases. Sure they might win one here and there, but they would be so beaten up they would learn real quick what playing in the SEC is all about. SEC football is played hard and fast with great coaching.
Clempson
June 8th, 2010
11:52 pm
exactly how many ACC conference titles has Clemson won in the past 20 years? And they think they can actually win one in the SEC?
Smokey the Bear
June 9th, 2010
12:21 am
Nick Marshall is a dawg yall!!!!!!!!
» SEC links: A look at the academic side of expansion John Clay’s Sidelines
June 9th, 2010
8:44 am
[...] Mark Richt thinks expansion is a serious subject, writes Tim Tucker of the AJC. [...]
michaelj
June 9th, 2010
9:18 am
Why would SEC screw up a perfect situation? What the SEC’s got is exactly what makes the other idiots loony. What I want to know is, are theose morons still gonna call it the Big Ten when they add those subprime teams. I mean, they might get Notre Dame with guaranteed six losses and pity bowl. People are talking about Missour like that beats Aw-buhni? This is all hillarious. It will still bethe Big Ten, even if its 16, right? Players don’t go to math class. Maroons. They still won’t make SEC TV money.
GT would not be an excellent candidate? You want a rival, not a wuss that pretty much lies down every year.
Good Ole Boy
June 9th, 2010
9:36 am
Who really cares about the Big Ten in these parts?
As the late great Lewis Grizzard once said:
“Ohio St. vs. Michigan is about as exciting as watching two mules fighting over a turnip”.
The SEC Rules !!!
gtmoney
June 9th, 2010
10:27 am
Dawg/SEC fans think about this… What do you think about Tech joining th Big Ten and having then having Big Ten Championship game in Atlanta? If I were you I know I wouldnt like the Big Ten stomping around in the heart of the SEC
Dwayne Morrison
June 9th, 2010
10:53 am
I think the best-case scenario for Tech would be to re-join the SEC if invited. Bobby Dodd would be packed every Saturday if the Jackets were playing the likes of Auburn, Tennessee, Florida and Alabama, rather than Duke, Wake Forest, NC State and Virginia.
Les Grossman
June 9th, 2010
1:27 pm
I don’t know what kind of power play someone is trying to pull here, but the SEC is my territory jack.
Joe P.
June 9th, 2010
1:36 pm
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bill_in_atl
June 8th, 2010
4:46 pm
To those who claim it’s all about research money instead of athletic money and use the claim that it’s 10x to 20x higher, I only ask one question. Where is all the extra money coming from and why would it go to an AAU school that isn’t already receiving it?
Are you saying that by joining the Big Ten a school like Maryland will instantly end up with $200 Million in extra research grants that they wouldn’t have otherwise gotten?
I realize the research grants are huge, but again why would the recipient change based solely on who plays in what football conference?
This doesn’t pass the logic test. If I’m wrong, please explain. I’m open to hearing how it would work.
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This article from Omaha explains it pretty well ….
http://www.omaha.com/article/20100609/NEWS01/706099919
Reality Check
June 9th, 2010
2:32 pm
It’s all about $$$$$$. SEC, ACC, Pac andBig 10s will all do what FOX tells them to do. By the way, FOX doesn’t give a hoot who finished third to Bama and Fla. the last 12 years.
Kevin in Dallas
June 9th, 2010
2:36 pm
Don’t discount Texas and the SEC just yet. The Pac is making a desperation move to add more viewers…because nobody outside of the pacific time zone really watches. I suspect that the Big 12 South will see that such a move benefits the west coast teams more than it benefits the Big 12 South schools.
Texas is gonna take care of Texas. And in the short term, that means being the Big Dog of the “new and improved” Big 12. The SEC has a lot to offer UT…a big portion of which is its own tv network…something the big 11 and pac whatever can’t do.
1980 was so long ago
June 9th, 2010
10:38 pm
4 decades gone
Ron Mexico
June 10th, 2010
9:08 am
Twitter is gay, and for little girls AJC.
Ron Mexico
June 10th, 2010
9:09 am
And so is the guy who posted above me. Your a loser bro, probably have been for 5 decades.
lance
June 10th, 2010
10:09 am
Add Texas to the West and Clemson in the East. Texas out of conference big game will be A&M ie like UGA v. GT. Clemson can still keep the FSU battle going. That is all we need.
The cause of it all
June 10th, 2010
11:12 am
The root caus of it all is the fabulous $$$ success that the SEC has enjoyed with their ultra popular SEC Championship game and the always ensuing NCs. Even the third place SEC team or even the 4th place team ends up in a fabulous bowl.
Could the SEC trim out their league with one or maybe three additions? Sure ………..but do we need that in order to compete with the emerging leagues ……….probably not. If the SEC added a team or two, I would vote for TX and TX A & M with their historically great traditions.
We do not need to add any ACC schools because when SEC games are on TV in the south, fans usually flick on the SEC games, vs say Va Tech and NC or MD and Boston College. Beyond an FSU, or possibly Miami, there are no ACC teams worthy of adding market share. It is all about $$ and so, the ACC teams are not really a TV draw, beyond these two.
GT? They would add nothing to the table. Nothing. SEC already owns the Ga market and the Atlanta market without having to adopt another welfare program like Tech.
Culture has to be a good fit
June 10th, 2010
11:18 am
Texas and Texas A&M are more culturally similar to the SEC. Folks, this is important. I cannot see TX going to LA in a home/away scenario and being happy playing the REAL USC in front of 34,000 fans. This is so key to all of the merger talk. Same is true with A&M.
They could play in Athens in front of nearly 100,000 fans and in Knoxville in front of over 100,000 fans or in Auburn or Florida iwth the same crowds. Imagine the GREAT NEW RIVALRY between LSU and these two TX schools. Now we are talking big boy football ……..not Oregon or UCLA. That talk is laughable, when discussed with Texas football fans. Laughable.
The SEC is a better cultural fit …………..they also draw the fans which spells ……….$$$$$.
MIAMI # 1
June 10th, 2010
9:57 pm
miami and f.s.u. would be a good bet,,both teams are on the rise and most s.e.c. are weak,,,
BIG SWILL
June 11th, 2010
9:15 am
Texas,Oalahoma,Am,O state coming to the SEC will be like starting a whole new progam you cant win.