SEC discusses expansion, distributes $209M in revenue (UPDATED)

I bet Saban would be against inviting Texas……Maybe TCU, not Texas…..

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nope

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Poindexter.

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Leave the SEC the way it is. Although I would like to see Georgia Tech join the league. Gt would get to see what it is like to play tough games every week.

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Austin that is just your ignorant Texas arroagance. It reminds me of the story about the Texan that was too big to bury in a coffin, so they gave him an enema and buried him in a shoe box. You want to be in the Pac 10 because you would get your asses handed to you in the SEC and you know it.

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I’m glad my life isn’t so pathetic that I have to run around to blogs trying to be the first to post a comment.

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Go ga gator!

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I still don’t understand how splitting revenues among 16 teams is better than 12.

Isn’t the pie already baked? Wouldn’t this just mean more slices in smaller amounts?

I don’t get it.

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Do schools really join conferences for academic reasons? I didn’t realize the teaching, admissions standards, or quality of students would change if Texas joined another conference. Will UT’s endowment grow by joining the Big 10.

Pac-10 academics…that’s laughable. Outside of the California schools, what do you have? Oregon, Oregon St., AZ, AZ St, Washington St. These schools are academically comparable to those in the bottom half of the SEC.

Texas was part of the Southwestern Conference (remember its motto: if you ain’t cheatin you ain’t tryin) and the Big 12. UT is probably the premiere school in its current conference and would rank third academically if it came to the SEC.

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um wasn’t teh old SWC of which TX was a member the poster child for shenanigans

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“Do schools really join conferences for academic reasons? I didn’t realize the teaching, admissions standards, or quality of students would change if Texas joined another conference. Will UT’s endowment grow by joining the Big 10.”
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Academics only matter because university presidents make the final decision about changing conferences.

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Ease up, Skipper. See the pocket protector and the zits? Austin Texas is just a silly nerd!

And by the way, Austin, the SEC has” lack of controls by athletic admins”? Yeah, those fine Big Ten and Pac 10 institutions like USC, Washington, and Michigan sure set high standards, huh?

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Big Ten officials have consistently stated that academics and geographic region are the two main criteria for candidates for expansion to their conference. Most people believe that they will not invite any Tier 3 schools or non AAU schools(outside of Notre Dame). There have been supposed insiders on the Texas side that have said the university would probably shy away from the SEC for academic reasons. There are many other reasons at play as well, like the political pressure to include Texas A&M or Texas Tech anywhere Texas goes but pretending that academics will not be considered is foolish.

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Ryan, don’t you think if Texas and Texas A&M joined the SEC, the pie would suddenly become larger and sweeter?

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So, Hugo, let’s all hold our breath wainting for Vandy to get Big Ten offers . . .

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I think geographics have more to do with this than anything. The ACC and PAC-10 are safe because their demographcis don’t blur as much as the Big East, Big Ten and big 12…and the SEC is simply untouchable. So there will be an arms race and it makes sense that the PAC-10 would act proactivly from a possition of strength. If a conference is sqeezed out I would like to see the remainder of the Big 12 join up with the Mountain West and make them a BCS conference, effectivly eliminated the “BCS” busters, and moving us one step closer to a true National Champion.

and Academics actually have a bigger impact than most think…Its kind of the wild card in all this.

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Hugo,

Two points:

1) If the Big 11 makes academics a priority, then there continued demise in relevance will continue.

2) Of course that’s what the school presidents are going to say publicly. Afterall, these are still, supposedly, ’student-atheletes’. That said, behind the scenes, I would imagine that the AD’s and boosters feel differently. Besides, the SEC and Pac-10 will fill-up first if they decide to expand – the Big 11 will be forced to pick up the rest. And if that means good academic schools like Rutgers and BC, then see point #1.

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Ryan, any conference that brings in Texas and Texas A&M would not only bring in the revenues those schools generate but would also see their TV ratings jump in the state of Texas, which includes a lot of major TV markets that are populated by people who are rabid about college football: Dallas/Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, etc. I would be very surprised if the addition of Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC didn’t increase the per team revenue of the SEC versus what it is currently. All 4 have large stadiums and Texas and Oklahoma pull TV ratings not only in their region but nationally.

That’s why Texas is the big enchilada everybody wants in an expansion and why the SEC expanding in its existing TV/geographic footprint (Clemson, Georgia Tech, FSU, etc.) doesn’t make much sense. If the Pac 10 makes a move on the Big 12 that includes Texas I’ll be shocked if the SEC doesn’t make an offer to Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and either Oklahoma State or Texas Tech.

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Austin Texas: If you can’t run with the big dogs then stay on the porch. I hear that there is a cozy little porch available with a view of the Pacific. And when has Texas been recognized as an elite scholarly institution? I’ll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that UGA has more scholar athletes than Texas. Put your doughnut where your mouth is.

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Clay, the Big Ten wont offer Vandy a spot for many reasons outside of academics. Mostly geographic. Have you wondered though why Rutgers seems to be a lock to get an invite from the Big Ten but West Virginia isnt being considered at all? West Virginia always has a quality football team and just sent a basketball team to the final four and won the Big East. There has to be a reason right?

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Texas and balance the East with either Florida State or G Tech. Of course, Bobby passed on the SEC before in favor of an easier, softer way (the point when I slacked on my support of the Noles).

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So, what?, there are going to soon be like 3 conferences? The Big whatever, The Pac however many, and the SEC? I think this would all be avoided if Notre Dame would just join the damn Big 11 to make them a 12 team league. As for the Pac 10, they should just add two schools if they want to get to 12. How is it that they can’t hold a championship game with the 10 teams they have now? Seems like that’d be easy to pulloff. This expansion will ruin college football. Teams that are used to losing only 1 or 2 games a year, will start losing 3-4 due to playing tougher games. There will be no more undefeated national champions, and the BCS will get even more jumbled. That’s just what college football needs.

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My picks for expansion: Texas, Texas A&M for the West and Florida State and Clemson for the East. Sixteen teams adding the TV market for Texas (huge) and enhancing the Florida market. FL/FSU would be absolutely enormous! UGA/Clemson would finally have meaning. It would bring back the rivalry of the 80’s.

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And what about Texas/Arkansas? Does anyone remember how big that was in the SWC?

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Anxiously awaiting the NCAA investigation of Southern Cal, which may or may not have anything to do with PAC 10 expansion.

If the hammer comes down on USC you can bet it’s the little toy hammer with the plastic accordion head that goes beep.

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Wow, ballsy on the part of the Pac-10, but good for them, in my opinion. They want to expand plus be the biggest and best? Well, adding the Big 12 South would do that for ‘em. Especially if the Big 10 goes ahead grabbing Mizzou and Nebraska. As far as the SEC goes, I say they’ll need to offer Texas and TAMU (never T Tech…way too far West…that’s Pac-10 rival for Arizona schools if anything!), but then head East and offer two of the NC schools (maybe UNC and NC State)…if anyone can break up the “Big 4″ from Texas and “Tobacco Road” it’s the SEC. Money talks.

If heading West fails, I say they look East or look to go for the “Southeastern Lockdown” strategy that includes inviting all those ACC rivals (FSU, Clemson, GT, +1) mentioned in other posts. Frankly, if the Pac-10 can convince the Western schools that the money and exposure would be better this last move is the best option for the SEC.

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No, they will still suck and go 7-5.

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Hugo, I don’t think Rutgers was in the discussion because of its academics. NJ and NY consider Rutgers THE area college football team, so that’s a big tv market for the Big Ten to grab.

Was that your point also?

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One thing not mentioned above is that the rumors of the Pac 10 expansion also include a plan to create a television network similar to what the Big Ten has. A television network that includes Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, USC, UCLA, Stanford, etc.. would be a huge money making network, probably on par with the Big Ten. The Pac 10 is also willing to take Texas’s little brothers(A&M, Tech) along with them to diffuse any political pressures. The plan actually makes alot of sense for everyone involved.

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What’s with all the love for Clemson? They can’t even win the ACC, but SEC folks like to think of them as one of thiers.

As for Texas A&M, that would be like adding another Mississippi State or Arkansas to the conference. Texas A&M is NOT similar to the University of Texas. The University of Texas makes money hand over fist. Texas A&M is broke and had to borrow money from the schools general fund to keep from going insolvent. They want in the SEC so the SEC can prop their butts up.

Plus, if A&M joins the SEC – and Texas doesn’t – you can just bet the The University of Texas, if they join the PAC 10, won’t sit idly by. They will financially crush A&M.

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Oh, HELL no to TX being allowed into the SEC….Strictly because IT’S NOT IN THE SOUTH-EAST!!!!!!! Jebus Tap-Dancing Christ!

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That may be true BD, but it will be a package deal – Texas and Texas A&M. That’s supposedly why Texas didn’t join the SEC when it expanded. The Texas legislature nixed a “done deal” because A&M didn’t get an invite.

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Hugo, I think it’s a big deal that the Pac-10 can outdo the SEC with an argument for a bigger TV deal (a BTN-style network) and the inclusion of Texas Tech. TTU is way too far West to make any sense playing Florida, for example, but it could very easily play teams in California, Colorado, and Arizona. The only team that is far enough East to probably not make sense in an expanded Pac-10 in TAMU. It’s much closer to Arky and LSU than even TTU. Politically, though, keeping them together keeps a rabid fanbase in its current dynamic. It’s a similar effect, however, to what life could have been like if GT hadn’t left the SEC or if the SEC added Clemson and FSU. Whole states (not ones named Mississippi or Alabama) dominated by a conference. Advertising and hype become FAR more effective and rivalries take new meaning (since they have actual implications for the season).

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[...] Article at: AJC var a2a_config = a2a_config || {}; a2a_config.linkname="As rumors fly, SEC presidents will talk [...]

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I like 12!!! Perfect set up as is.

Think about it – the SEC would still be relevent if B11 raided ND & BEast, the P10 raids B12 south.

At the end of the day – you can only play 12 regular season games – the SEC does not need to expand. Those other mega-conferences will make it harder on themselves to win conference titles and national titles.

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Go Boca Baby!!

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Don’t do it! This will be the moment we’ll all remember the good times before the glutteny of riches destroyed college football. This cash cow is getting bigger and bigger and no one seems to want to put a halt to these absurdities. People should examine the worst aspect of these expansions and play that out. Think about it TX in SEC? How does that fit geographically? College football would be worse off for it. Again we are on a verge of disaster if this expansion goes through.

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What are you smoking. You have more titles in SEC than Dawgs. Thats the funniest thing I heard all year. You guys are dillusional

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GT is not a charter member of the SEC

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To the real old gold. Tech might be a charter member to the SEC, but they do not have more conference championships. Tech has 5 SEC titles to GA’s 12. You can even factor in your 3 ACC titles if you want and “the dawgs” are still ahead.

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Uga’s athletic dept. has the best business acumen of any dept. on campus. It’s grad business school was nowhere to be found in recent grad school business rankings. Emory and Tech were in top 30 nationally.

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Austin Texas may be the most ignorant, uninformed person outside of the Obama administration that I have ever seen.

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GT
Clemson
FSU
Louisville

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anti you are an ignorant $astard they are” former” charter members

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anti-alternative- wikipedia is not recognized as a credible source.

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So if we go to 16 teams, are we only going to play 1 game against a team from the other division? Or would we go to a 10 game conference schedule?

My guess is we would move to a 10 game conference schedule.

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matt – sure,you don’t cite it in printed works, but it’s generally trustworthy for history, science, math, etc….things that don’t change

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Anti sorry just picking. had a bad morning went in the restroom at work and found 3 engineers in a tickle pile.

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so when will these money gobbling super conferences be hit with class action anti trust lawsuits, by all of the schools that are not ‘allowed’ to participate?

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why does the SEC need to expand. I think the SEC has enough teams already.

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Texas will NEVER join the SEC. They would give up their spot as top dog in a conference and their arrogant ego’s would not permit it.

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Ga Gator, Texas may have to, if they join the PAC-?? they have USC, the Big10 Ohio St and Michigan, the SEC….

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I would put Michigan in comparison to South carolina on a good day and mississippi state the other 354 days…

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an independent Texas…thats interesting, there are not too many schools who could pull that off but Texas might be one of them…

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Expansion won’t affect the DAWGS! We own everyone and run this conference!

Get ready folks. Stand up and scream….THIS IS OUR YEAR DAWGS!

Show your true Georgia spirit…..

2010 is the year UGA wins it all….. Mark that down NERDS!

Aaron Murray is gonna throw for 450 yards and 4 TD’s on your sorry D.

National Championship:

UGA 48
Oklahoma 12

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Michigan no doubt is down now, at some point they maybe back.

Even down they have alot of power in the politics of the Big10.

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Austin Texas: If you think the SEC schools have weak academics, then you should look over your facts. True, we lack Stanford, but there are not many schools like Stanford. The SEC has two of the strongest state schools in the nation (Georgia and Florida rank in the top 15 state universities), and I’m not even going to defend Vanderbilt. South Carolina and LSU are good schools, and the rest of the universities are as competitive as any in the TX, OK, CO area. Besides, if you think this is about academics, you are kidding yourself. It is about $$$, $$$ and $$$.

Once you get outside of the Ivy League schools, the academic averages are no strong advantage for any conference, including the Big 12.

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Pac 14 or Pac 16 just doesn’t have the ring of Pac 10, but if SEC does grow, Texas and Texas A & M would be perfect fits. I also Like Louisville and GT.

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To – the real Old Gold – your statement just reenforces what everyone knows about gtu. That is, you “lie and cheat”. Lying about more SEC championships than UGA is so easy to check out and UGA 12 vs gtu 5, in no way computes to more SEC championships for the nerds.
gtu fans are the most delusional in college football circles, why you have NEVER EVER won an AP National Championship, and that too is a fact, look it up.
THWGT!!!

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remember when the ACC paoched the BigEast for VT and Miami and everyone delcared it the new super conference and how it would dominate the football landscape? Careful what you wish for folks, it doesnt always turn out the way you want.

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THWGT, I know you’re going to hate Tech no matter what (plenty of teams do), and I’m not going to defend “the real old gold”…BUT what he said is a myth common among very young Tech fans. They hear from their parents that when Tech left the SEC that GT had more titles than Georgia (5 over GA’s 4). They also hear pretty often that 5 SEC titles is still more than some current SEC teams. I’m thinking he just did what some 12-year-olds do and accidentally combine those two thoughts into one grievously wrong statement.

Even though it’ll never happen, I wish everybody would check their stats with solid record sites before they post. So much arguing would be avoided.

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Ga Gator. I think you are correct FSU will be one of the first offered.

If the PAC deal is real I don’t think the SEC gets Texas but IMO the SEC should make a run at it. The extra money is worth it. The blogs also say Tx A&M is very much for the SEC. They may have political weight to help make it happen. Was Finebaum correct in Texas coming close to joining the SEC back in ‘92? I do want want OU and Okie St with Tx and Tx A&M.

I like FSU, Miami, and Clemson, USF, VT or GT. UF’s response to Miami would be interesting, Blog rumors were UF was very much against Miami. Miami in the SEC would certainly draw some media attention.

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Anti-alternative, It all depend on how the contracts work out. If the SEC looses ground the SEC may have to react.

The SEC started this I’d rather not see the SEC playing catch up when it is currently in the driver seat.

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1. there are to many conferences it would be good to combine certain leauges. and no it wouldnt change the amount of money each school gets because with more teams would equal more money from sponsors,air time, and conference logos.
2.The SEC is dominate everyone knows it everyone fears it, but going across the country to pick up a big school would not make it the south eastern conference. SEC should pick up the ACC PAC 10 should pick up the big 10 and the big 12 should pick up the remainder of school.
3. then you could have 3 major conferences and come up with a nice playoff bracket, which is much much needed and way overdue.

it just makes sense smaller is bigger and bigger is stronger…

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[...] was brought up again today regarding the SEC. As Tim Tucker writes, the conference officials plan to discuss possible realignment plans today. With more Rivals-created rumors today about Texas jumping conferences, this time to the Pac-10, [...]

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People people People. Follow the money… More teams equal more markets, more markets equal more money. Example. Lets say the Big Ten invites UGA (0% chance) then suddenly there people all over the southeast and especially Atlanta who care about Wisconsin vs Iowa, and thus the value of all games in conference increases… Fantasy Football has given everyone in every state in every city a stake in every football game, thus…NFL all Access package…Same goes for college football, the bigger the footprint of a conference the bigger its per game value is. Thus if the PAC 10 is the PAC 16 with coverage from Washington to Texas the per game value rises…maybe more than the average SEC game which is only watched South Carolina to Mississippi. If the games are of more value, the schools get paid more, and if the schools get paid more they can afford to hire the better coaches, build the better facilities, spend more money on stadiums etc. etc…. follow the money, use math…see GT nerds are good for something…

Which is why this is an arms race. Its not too practical to create 20 team conferences, 16 is about the limit, the best constructed 16 will win the long run. So the SEC will probably have to react if dominos fall, and when they do it will be to maximize the mulla…

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kevin, there is only room at the top for 1…can Texas and OU compete year in and year out with UA, FL, UGA, LSU and the upyears at USC, UT, Auburn?…its a risky gambit. Might be safer to take on the USC/Oregon controled PAC-10 rather than become medicre in the SEC…TV revenue is just one kind of revenue, the other comes from bowl games, filling the stadiums, selling gear, and that stuff comes in from winning…Which I think Texas and OU would do a lot less of in the a 14 team SEC than a 16 team PAC

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Texas is going to Pac-10 or Independent.

The time for Texas to join the SEC was 20 yrs ago. The Texas program was down at the time. Texas was not the pretty girl at the dance back then.

20 yrs ago the leadership at Texas was more “southern” in terms of athletics and academics.

Today, U of Texas leadership is very “liberal”. Austin is the Lone Star state version of San Francisco. This mindset alone will not go for joining the SEC.

20 yrs ago they were forced by state politics to take Tex A&M wherever they went.

The SEC did not want Texas A&M at the time. So, Texas went elsewhere (Big 12).

The SEC had it’s shot at Texas and missed the boat.

Look for the possibility of Texas A&M breaking away from big brother Texas’ shadow this time and seeking SEC membership.

The PAC-10 is not a great fit for Texas A&M. The travel to west coast for non-revenue sports would be very costly (to which Texas can afford and A&M cannot).

If successful, I think A&M will bring Texas Christian with them.

Two SEC West teams shift from the west shift to east (Ala & Auburn).

LSU & Arkansas should be very happy with this set-up since they will be the new dominant players in the West.

Arkansas just renewed their long rivalry with Texas A&M. Game to be played at Jerry Jones World in Dallas.

Clemson and FSU are not going to be invited unless Florida and SC are talked into it.

Neither school brings anything to the table (and tailgating and hot-coeds do not count).

Ga. Tech burned SEC bridges long ago so you can forget the Blue and Gold.

Everything will depend on Texas….Texas was once just another girl at the high school dance.

This is 20 yrs later and that girl now has 34DD implants, botox, and wears a size 0 skinny jeans. i.e. ..everyone wants Texas and she has her pick of dance partners.

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Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
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FSU, Miami, Clemson and GaTech.

I think it’s a no-brainer that the SEC would become even stronger with the 4 Big 12 schools.

Expansion is going to happen soon whether it’s the PAC 10, SEC or Big 10 as there are just too many rumors going around.

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If the SEC is going to expand, look at GT, Clemson and Florida State joining the East div. and Kentucky moving to the West div and add Central Florida or Miami joining the West div. for a 16 team league.

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SEC East – add Clemson, Miami and FSU & GA Tech; move Vandy to West

SEC West – add Texas and Texas A&M

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you are all missing the point. The SEC is not offering the Big 12 teams, the PAC 10 and Big Ten are the two conferences courting the Big 12 teams, 6 to the pac 10 and 2 (neb and mizzu) to the big 10, the SEC moves are going to be reactive not proactive, which means they aren’t going to get to choose from the best of the Big 12, but either its left overs or the best of the ACC…if it wants to keep in the lead for revenues…

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well I am sure with all my heart that the SEC has this blog up on the big screen in their meetings today because after all you people are the geniuses they need to hear from. Doesn’t matter if Texas wants to join the SEC or not because the decision comes from all you bloggers. And gee, I sure hope the ACC commissioner knows about it since your taking half their teams. Maybe the Congressional meetings need you bloggers up on the big screen as well during their hearings and let you call the shots as well.

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play ball,

the point of a blog is simply for fun. you take yourself way too seriously.

go play in the street.

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Sure you can get Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, and OSU over FSU, Miami, Clemson, and GT – I figure being “jumbeautiger” means you’d want all westward expansion anyway to shift the SEC from the southeast more towards Mississippi/Louisana/Texas.

As fo everyone else in the SEC, it would be much, much, MUCH cheaper to take a road trip to FSU, Clemson, GT, and yes Miami (cheap plane flights in to Lauderdale) than it would be to travel to Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, and OSU. So while you could thump your chest about adding the B12 teams, it’d bite you in the personal wallet if you like to actually attend games. Of course, nowdays most “fans” do little more than park their butts in front of the TV anyway.

For a UGA fan, GT – easy trip, right down the road. Clemson – easy trip, just over the border (nicer than Columbia too). FSU, easy trip. Miami, cheap to fly from Atlanta to Lauderdale. The B12 teams? you are looking at at least a grand (doing it on the cheap) for a couple to travel out there, stay, eat, etc… – not including the purchase price of tix.

I don’t see why folks are so eager to put more emphasis over conference revenues over their personal budgets.

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Exactly Fillin’ up @ Juniors, this about the predominant piece of the college football revenue. Anyone still yammering about Clemson and Louisville is thinking way to small. The SEC needs to expand out west which means grabbing at least three of the big programs in the Big 12.

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Good for the S.E.C…..President Adams is now it’s “spokesperson” as well…

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I hope you are kidding nobody!

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Lane Kiffin’s , Have you been to Death Valley? Thinking Clemson is a small time school shows you haven’t spent any time in Clemson or any part of South carolina. They choke, we hate them, and we(GT) usually get the better of them, but small time is absolutly not the right term for them. They are superior by fan base and basic craziness to just about all the big 12 teams except UT…The difference is UT gives their fans something to cheer for, clemson doesn’t and they still come…And this is all from a clemsux hater no less…Believe me Clemson from a sports perspective is a great school to have in a conference, especially football. And few things have been more enjoyable then beating them just about every year…

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I would take GT’s “irrelavent, BCS Orange Bowl, double digit wins, and every other year beat instate rival path as long as I can”…over UGA’s “relavent” shrevport bowl, single digit wins, coach-in-hot-seat, every other year beat instate rival path, anyday”

So I hope your projects are right…

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tech’s really not of SEC caliber. They have a very small fan base and they’d be a financial drain on the other SEC schools. Pretty sure they’ll be scrambling to find a home after all the dust settles.

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Otto’s got it…Finally a post that got some substance. Heres the kicker, I have been reading the Texas and Oklahoma blogs and news media…They really don’t think a) they will get and SEC offer and b) would accept it even if its given…so then what? Follow the TV market and recruiting logic to its end without Big 12 teams and…

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If Adams is on the level, then I disagree. People who sit back and analyze watch the world pass them by. The SEC should be proactive in trying to out strategize both the Big 10 and the PAC-10. UT would be a crown jewel in the SEC and we should do everything possible to get them if things shake-out the way some are predicting. If we need to lure A&M to make UT happy, then so be it. I don’t want Miami to join the SEC under any circumstances, which has been bantered about. FSU is a much better fit for the SEC.

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Why would you want GT with their tiny stadium and tiny fan base. SEC already has Vandy

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Ernesto P. Chubbaleen

June 4th, 2010
2:27 pm

EC. Agree. Add Clemson and we’ve got our 16 team super conference.

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Papadawg

June 4th, 2010
2:28 pm

I don’t think the SEC is even considering tech. small fan base, small stadium, no national interest all add up to an unecessary drain on the SEC. tech will be scrambling to find someone who wants them along with duke, wf, md, unc, ncs, va.

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Flo-Ri-Duh!

June 4th, 2010
2:32 pm

excuses?? you sound like a whiney techie FYI, I doubt head coaches get a whole lot of say so in this one.

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BDR, Flying to Texas or OU may not be more expensive than driving to Baton Rouge/Ark with gas prices going up. Besides they would be on rotation anyways. LSU, Ark, and the Miss. schools get better access to Texas talent. The overall equation works. I would trade the few fans not traveling to the game for the extra money the school would get and better access to Texas talent.

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RDR

Obviously you can’t tell when the kids are out of school…but your unfounded insult just goes to re-enforce you have little to add.

Otto, you would take USF into the SEC? Thats a risky move, team had 3 good years in the big east but now has a new coach, and a down year in the big east during a down year of the big east…VT would be hard to pull away but it is definatly SEC calibor. I imagine if the SEC expands and takes ACC teams the ACC would have to reload at the cost of the Big East… Its tough to see VT leaving its North carolina and Virginia Rivals, its dominance of those schools are what make VT…well VT…UNC I think is wild card because of their basketball…their football is mid to low SEC but their basketball could make SEC basketball real tough…

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Daught if Tech would want to be in an inferior academic conference, it’s more at home with superior academic schools. I guess the four national championships to the one for Georgia should count for a lot.

So much better where I’m at than in Shreveport! Selah

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Flo, just for clarification, GT is a bigger school than Clemson by enrollment. I know you mean the fanbase is smaller, but GT isn’t as small a school as people think it is. Larger than about four or five current SEC schools, actually. The fanbase and stadium could easily build over time. More exposure tends to bring more fans even without wins (how else do you explain MSU having that many fans?)…GT is worth more to a conference than some people here seem to think. Think of the SEC trying to raise its academic profile (something it’s doing pretty well as UGA, UF, Auburn and Bama start to climb the academic rankings). Taking FSU and Clemson wouldn’t add much there, but adding GT or one of the North Carolina schools does. And GT would also bring the SEC another decent basketball and baseball school to add to the growing heat in those areas. GT fans still consider it very much a football school first, and culturally, Tech is still largely a Southern school. I don’t think it’s so “out there” for GT to gain readmission to the conference they helped build.

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Anti-alternative

June 4th, 2010
2:47 pm

Keep dreaming!

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RDR, call me a dreamer all day long, but everything I said is fact.

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“It would take schools with a big fan base and lots of $$$$ for the SEC to consider them. Tech is to small – maybe in the ACC, Clemson, Fla State, Miami and Va. Tech would be considered.”

Clemson is solid pick, but Florida is only going to let one of those two florida schools in the door, and it ain’t miami…VT your going to have a hard time prying them off their NC and VA rivals. So then what? You have two teams you need 16 to keep pace. I don’t see an SEC offer going to any Big 12 team because the ones that make geographic sense won’t be accepting an offer that makes them minimumly competitive, as would happen if they are paired with LSU, UA, Arkansas + UT and OU?… Seriously someone is going to become the bottom feeder and loose more than they will gain, and you better bet every school is afraid of that. So two slots…You are telling me that GT is too small? but every game due to location is going to be sold out, there is already built in rivalries, and plenty of tradition. It also makes Georgia totally a SEC recruiting hot bed and ends the ACC’s ability to get into the ATL marketplace…

If you believe the SEC is the king and can do what they wish you haven’t been reading around. The Big Ten brings in more money via TV, the PAC-16 situation would create a conference from washington to Texas, and the Big 10/12/14/16 could demand even more money then ever. The SEC is already a reactive player, in the end they will do what they can but your dream situation of UT and OU is about as possible as my baby being dressed up in UGA clothing (never ever going to happen). So dream away but I am just saying its not likly so you need to probably take some more practical approaches…

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I love all the hate UGA fans love to give GT, and did one of you actually type blue and gold? Why would GT not be a good fit for the SEC? I will admit that our stadium is rarely filled due to so many foriegn students that don’t even know what a football is, but just in case you are unaware there are other college sports besides football and some of the teams we play don’t really help ie Duke and NC State fans don’t travel well. GT was also on a downward spiral that killed it’s newer fanbase, but that is on the way back up. Could it be that some of you fear GT getting into the SEC and getting some of those recruits that want to play in the SEC due to TV time? Whatever it is I find it really funny how worried you are about the chance of GT getting in if expansion was to occur and all the reasons you give for why they should not.
For the poster that said he does not understand why GT fans come on here I invite you to read any GT blog and see how many UGA fans spew their hate on there each time. In response to the GT vs UGA SEC titles I think it was plain to see he meant when GT was in the SEC, I mean seriously how could you really think he meant more all time when GT has been out for 40+ years.

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The Big10 does bring in more with their TV deal. The SEC makes up much of that on donationss, more tickets sold, and other things.

Anti, USF would also have the money and most likely a stronger talent base. FSU and Miami have been powers since the early 80s. VT came of age in the mid 90s and has not managed to capitalize lately. IMO USF is an underrated choice with alot of upside.

GT is a solid choice but is behind the Florida Schools and VT. GT or Clemson? that is a hard question.

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“our stadium is rarely filled due to so many foriegn students that don’t even know what a football is”

That’s not the problem, friend. The student section is ALWAYS full…and Tech expanded that section last season. The students LOVE football! The alumni section is the problem at most games. They buy the season tickets for one or two landmark games (Clemson, Miami or UGA) and do not come for most ACC matchups unless Tech is ranked highly.

If I were Dan Radakovich, I’d be selling GT’s case for the SEC hard! That’s the only way the fanbase grows. Period.

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SILLY UGA FANS

June 4th, 2010
2:57 pm

Why would GT not be a good fit for the SEC?

1. Extremely poor fan support,
2. Mickey mouse facilities,
3. A financial sponge to the other revenue producing schools that tv deals are driven by,
4. That silly fight song about a ramblin wreck,
5. Not enough pretty girls enrolled in school (the rented cheerleaders and dance girls do not count)

Did I miss anything??

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Juniors agreed, NC/Va is most likely 4th in talent behind the areas I listed.

NC St. would be the most likely to move alone but I don’t think even they leave without the other 3. 4 NC schools is not worth the price paid. 3 FL schols with USF gets a larger return.

MD, FSU, VT, and Va. are a maybe. They bring the Potomac/Chesapeake Bay TV market with Baltimore, DC etc.

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Otto, ACC has FSU and Miami…they dont need a foothold in Florida they already have one. If the SEC gets its hands on FSU or Miami then the ACC will want USF to keep it position.

GT has plenty of support…but 7 years of Chan Gailey 7-6 football killed momentum…it back with PJ…Our home schedule this year sucks and yet season tickets are way up. We’ll be just fine. And we have kept playing SEC schools since we left, so there will be plenty of hatred to fuel rivalries. The Auburn sereis, Vandy series, Miss St. Seris, Alabama and of course UGA…we’re half in this conference anyway… PS(we have winning record against SEC opponents over the 7 or so years, even with a 1-6 against UGA, ouch)

The bashing of our women…is warrented. I had to outsource to South Carolina to find me a women. She thought she was getting an engineer HA! fooled her I was an accountant…muhaha

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RDR, The spread is the HS offense of choice now. Who runs the option in HS?

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Hey Tim Tucker,

With the current economic situation, could the development of “Mega” Conferences actually cause harm to the sport of college football? Imagine being a Texas Longhorns fan and having to travel from Austin Texas to LA, Oregon, and Washington one year then to Wash St, LA, Oregon State, etc the next. Not as financially friendly as trips closer to home. Could the average fan afford such lofty travel expenses? Would fans skip on a home game or 2, so they could travel and watch their team play out west?

What if the SEC does get a Texas school? Would UF, UA,AU, UGA fans, etc travel such a long and expensive distance every couple of years? I can barely afford Jacksonville into my current budget.

As far as revenue is concerned, would we see a drastic decline in attendance? If so, how would that off set the gain of added TV $ and “prestige?”

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Texas and Texas A&M are headed west. I hope the SEC goes after TCU so we can have a presence in the second largest state in America. Plus, I would enjoy seeing the Tigers play a Saturday night game in the Dallas Fort Worth area.

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Austin, Texas

Bragging about the huge size of Texas’s endowment? One reason Texas has a huge endowment is that the university has always owned and been endowed with several huge tracts of land that have profitable oil leases. You bragging about your endowment is like the Saudi’s bragging about how successful they are. No. You’re not all that great. You just had the good fortune of sitting on a pile of oil. That’s all.

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Otto, agreed. Clemson currently has the fans and the stadium. GT, though, brings better basketball and academics, similar (dead even in the series) baseball to Clemson, and solid all-around non-revenue sports programs.

In time GT’s fanbase and stadium would grow. SEC affiliation would be an instant re-ignition of a fanbase that at one time boasted the biggest stadium in the South. I think Atlantans would show up to GT in full force to see them play Auburn, Tennessee, Florida, etc. (even if they pull for Tech and watch on TV they won’t show up to see Tech play NC State, Wake, Boston College, Virginia, UNC, etc.) The SEC would change everything. Those fans live in the SEC’s epicenter. The season starts there and ends there. They’ll show up for those matchups guaranteed. Ten years and GT would look and feel like a current SEC program on the field, and I’ll bet the stadium grows to at least 70k at that point. Clemson would be like that too, obviously, but I still place my argument on the academic and non-revenue sports side. GT is bigger (and growing) than Clemson and has more to offer outside of the football program. Oh, and GT has girls…they’re called Management majors. They all live in sorority houses and only come out for football games. Tailgate in the Greek district sometime…you’ll see ‘em.

Bottom line – Tech aint Texas, but it aint bad. If the SEC needs to lock up the South, GT needs to be considered along with Clemson, VT, UNC, and FSU. My 2 cents.

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Juniors, I was assuming FSU and Miami were grabbed up by the SEC.

USF would be a re entry into FL in that scenario.

Congrats on scheduling teams from the SEC again. Hope to see it cotinue. What were Vandy’s and MSU’s records in the SEC those years?

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LSUTiger111,

Forget about TCU. They are small potatoes in terms of both attendance and tv viewership. No matter how good their teams are they have trouble putting 40,000 in their stadium. Imagine how small their following would be if they had bad teams. In any event the drawing TCU would bring would be similar to the drawing that Tulane would bring in LA. or that UAB would bring in the state of Alabama. Not much.

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Fillin’ up @ Juniors

June 4th, 2010
3:21 pm
RDR…that little high school offense has owned its SEC opponents…what does that say for your SEC defenses?

Yeah I saw where pee jay really beat up on vandy and msu last year. Of course the big dawg kind of stuffed it and LSU destroyed it. Who else have you played in the sec with pee jay? I did see where tech coward out of the deal with bama in 2012. Pitiful!

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Your list of schools were ..TCU, Cincinnatti, East Carolina, VA Tech or PITT…and I am the clueless one?

lets see you pick up two BCS schools, one of which had two good seasons ever and has just lost its coach the other of which plays in a conference that is courting Boise State and would become a defacto BCS conference in the process…then you add in two Big East schools that both finally had decent back to back season but who have pathetic fan bases in pro sport cities were college football is like 5th sport, one of which lost its coach, and lastly you think you can pry VT away without figuring in that no school jumps from a BCS conference without a partner…VT is staying put unless the SEC raid the ACC for more than one team…And you think any of those team would bring more revenue than FSU and Clemson???? I feel bad even arguing with you…read more talk less…

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As usual, the kid that keeps insisting that GT ( my alma mater ) has more SEC titles than UGA is a fool or a liar. Either way, he has no math skills. Probably, he is really some Atlanta public school kid at home, banging away on a keypad while his mom supports him. That expalins why he cannot comprehend lower levels of math.

L Duke, class of 53@ GT

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I did see where tech coward out of the deal with bama in 2012. Pitiful!

I seemed like a mutual decision, neither school felt like the risk was worth the reward. As a fan i think it is pitiful, I dont care the risk I want to see the two schools renew their rivalry…but I think Tech got more heat from it than UA… From what I read UA didn’t like the idea of wasting a week of practice on a strange offense with the risk being a damaging lose, while the reward being little…GT saw that same thing, it had enough on the schedule to go undefeated and gain a NC, why risk a UA defeat…

All together lame, but lets not blame GT totally…I know you will but you have been both biased and without fact on every post so I dont expect you to change.

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anti-alternative Unlike the ACC where the b’ball broadcasting rights will be bundled with f’ball, my understanding is that the SEC has them separate. The SEC’s football rights are worth way more than the ACC’s while in b’ball it’s the other way around (albeit with b’ball rights being a fraction of the football rights)

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Miss. St ‘08/’09 2-5 in the SEC each yr.
Vanbdy ‘09 2-10 overall 0-7 in the SEC.

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Otto

June 4th, 2010
4:10 pm

exactly. i don’t think the switch has gone “on” yet for junior.

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Put in his place, like a common looking girl in Miami! Oh Snap!

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The people stating that Tech has more SEC titles than UGA are only counting titles earned when both were in the SEC. It makes no sense to keep making this comparison once one of the schools has left the conference. Using that logic, Tech can claim they have more ACC titles than UGA. And yes, for the thirty+ years they were in the SEC together, Tech won more SEC titles.

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I saw College Football Live this afternoon and it certainly seems this pac 10 thing is valid. If so the SEC should be proactive, don’t sit around and wait until the pac 10 and the big 11 make their picks. From all accounts I have read Tx A&M would like to be in the SEC. To get into the Texas TV markets is something the SEC should be proactive about. If Texas and Tx A&M are joined at the hip and Texas wants no part of the SEC that may slow the whole thing down. I have trouble believing Tx A&M wants to be part of the pac 10.

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I heard Tech will be joining the no one cares conference with Ga State and Furman

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I WOULD VOTE FOR SEC EXPANSION BY GETTING 4 TEAMS FROM THE ACC . TAKE FLA STATE,MIAMI,CLEMSON & VA TECH . THESE ARE ALL 4 PRIMARY FOOTBALL SCHOOLS WITH STADIUMS THAT SEAT WELL OVER 50,000 . UNLIKE THE NORTH AVENUE TRADE SCHOOL.THEY LEFT THE SEC ONCE . DO NOT GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO COME BACK . TECH COULD GO TO THE BIG EAST OR CONFERENCE USA.

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Hey “Coach Small Johnson”: Actually GSU is beginning to create quite a “buzz”. Its about time the folks in Atlanta had something to get excited about.

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Hopefully

Ga State will take Techs position and the Trade from North Ave can get out of athlectics and focus more on its research and studies for Janitorial Engineering

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I will tell you why ESPN picks Tech on Thursday night

1. Fans from programs like UGA, FL, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, USC raise h#ll
2. Fans from theses schools have sold out games with stadiums of 90,000+
3. Thursday night games are not marque high rated games, thats why schools mentioned above do not play on Thursday nights on ESPN
4. Most Thurs night games are with schools like Boise, Idaho, Miss St, Ga Tech, East Carolina,

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Dawg Fan…..you goit going on…… good buddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It ain’t broke so don’t fix it,no stinking Texacans or anybody else.
SEC is an exclusive club,let everyone else stay green with envy and looking in from the outside.

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whatever

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Oops…meant to say the ACC has three schools in the top 30….the SEC has nine.

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Seats

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9/3/2009 7:00 PM South Carolina at N.C. State ESPN Thur.
9/3/2009 10:15 PM Oregon at Boise State ESPN Thur.
9/10/2009 7:30 PM Clemson at Georgia Tech ESPN Thur.
9/17/2009 7:30 PM Georgia Tech at Miami ESPN Thur.
9/24/2009 7:30 PM Mississippi at South Carolina ESPN Thur.
10/1/2009 7:30 PM Colorado at West Virginia ESPN Thur.
10/8/2009 9:00 PM Nebraska at Missouri ESPN Thur.
10/15/2009 7:30 PM Cincinnati at South Florida ESPN Thur.
10/22/2009 8:00 PM Florida State at North Carolina ESPN Thur.
10/29/2009 7:30 PM North Carolina at Virginia Tech ESPN Thur.
11/5/2009 7:30 PM Virginia Tech at East Carolina ESPN Thur.
11/12/2009 7:30 PM South Florida at Rutgers ESPN Thur.
11/19/2009 7:30 PM Colorado at Oklahoma State ESPN Thur.
11/26/2009 8:00 PM Texas at Texas A&M ESPN Thur.
12/3/2009 9:00 PM Oregon State at Oregon
Going by last years schedule I guess you are saying all these teams, some of which you want in the SEC, are not prime time schools and nobody wants to see them even though the ratings actually beat several sat. games. Several of the teams you mentioned such as Bama or Fla can say they want sat. only for the ratings but UGA can’t argue because they don’t mean squat on the national scale anymore.

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it would be great if Tech could play Bama,Aub, Tenn, and Uga every year….Bill is just a hater, and it would kill him to see Tech pick up pace in the SEC. Go away old man !!!! The only loser in Atlanta is you.

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I can’t stand this expansion talk. It’s going to ruin college football. One of the reasons people love college football so much is because of the rivalries.

If you get these 4 16 team conferences, rivalries will cease to exist. You’ll play each team in your division every year, and what, two teams from the opposite division every year, IF the said conference decides to play NINE conference games, which takes away one non conf. game which are huge money makers for a lot of teams.

With this schedule it will take a typical team in one of these super conferences FOUR freaking years to play each team in your entire conference at least once. WHERE are the rivalries in that??

Oh yeah, it’s not about the rivalries, it’s about the money. Pure disgusting. The NCAA should just quit this sham they call AMATUER athletics and start paying these players, because these expansion talks sure as hell aren’t about academics, despite what the greedy Yankee university presidents will tell you. This will end up looking like a minor league NFL, if it hasn’t already. Have I mentioned already how much this disgusts me??

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If the SEC decides to expand, forget Texas, They are an arrogant bunch and not nearly as good as they think they are. They are not going to the PAC 10 because of the SEC’S academic standards but because they can compete in the PAC 10 conference, especially with USC on probation. If they joined the SEC they would not get the bowl games they think they deserve. They are a lot closer in territory to the SEC than the PAC 10. If it wasn’t for the Tennesseans helping them out they would all be Mexicans.

If the territory is going to change, I for one would like to see Notre Dame join the SEC along with Oklahoma, Clemson and Georgia Tech. Forget about Florida State and Miami they have already had their chance.

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