NCAA moves to toughen already controversial excessive-celebration penalty

You hear about the move by the NCAA Football Rules Committee this week to further toughen the unsportsmanlike-conduct/excessive-celebration penalty?

The penalty, which stirred much controversy hereabouts when it was incorrectly called on Georgia’s A.J. Green against LSU last season, will get tougher in the 2011 season if approved by one more NCAA committee.

Basically, the change would make unsportsmanlike conduct a live-ball foul, meaning, for example, that a taunting gesture en route to a touchdown would nullify the score and be penalized from the spot of the foul.

The change would not impact penalties for celebrations in the end zone after a score, such as the one against Green, because those dead-ball fouls would continue to be assessed on the ensuing kickoff or extra-point/two-point conversion attempt.

Of course, the problem with the Green penalty was that it never should have been called. The SEC said two days later that video evidence did not support the flag, which came after Green scored the go-ahead touchdown. A 15-yard penalty was assessed on the ensuing kickoff and jump-started LSU’s game-winning touchdown drive.

At the least, the Green penalty underscored the subjective and inconsistent nature of such calls.

And now the stakes could be raised.

This week’s move to toughen the consequences of live-ball unsportsmanlike-conduct flags came in a Wednesday vote by the Football Rules Committee. In a comment posted on the NCAA’s website, committee chairman (and Oregon athletics director) Mike Bellotti says:

“Our committee firmly believes in the team concept of college football. Taunting and prolonged individual acts have no place in our game, and our officials have generally handled these rules well. This is just another step in maintaining our game’s image and reflecting the ideals of the NCAA overall.”

The NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel must approve the change before it can take effect.

What say you about this?

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385 comments Add your comment

First

February 12th, 2010
11:10 am

Go Dawgs!

February 12th, 2010
11:11 am

First???

The penalty is already called inconsistently as it is. This just makes it more of an issue.

First

February 12th, 2010
11:12 am

Hope I don’t get in trouble for celebrating my first “1st” on here.

Gratefuldawghead

February 12th, 2010
11:15 am

How about working on something FOR the People and get a PLAY OFF!

Another Dawg

February 12th, 2010
11:19 am

The only image this promotes of “their game” is that referee subjectivity has too much impact on the outcomes.

Conveniently, that appears to be the image they’re looking for.

bjohndawg

February 12th, 2010
11:21 am

What if the offensive player is running for a TD, he looks back to see if the defender is gaining on him. And the ref sees this and does not like the ” look in his eye”?

Out comes the flag.
This whole thing is way too subjective, and has already been blown in the past my many refs. Doubt that will change.

This new rule just seems well…..excessive to me.
I am tossing a flag on the NCAA.
Make them do their next conference at the local Motel 6.

GeoffDawg

February 12th, 2010
11:23 am

I don’t have that much of a problem with it as long as they very specifically define what constitutes taunting. I don’t want some ref changing the outcome of a game because he thinks a receiver muttered something under his breath en route to a touchdown.

Coach Johnsons Paul

February 12th, 2010
11:25 am

Well justice was served on the ‘Phantom Celebration” when the culprit officials dear ol’ alma mater (GA TEch)was run over by the Dawgs. Take that Marc Curles and Michael Watson and Bobby Gaston and Rogers Redding.
Te fact that all of these are Techmites is an idictment of SEC officiating.

Dawgfan

February 12th, 2010
11:25 am

I think this could be in response to Green getting the call and people complaining about Tebow not getting calls when he does his hootin and hollerin.

another dawg in ptc

February 12th, 2010
11:26 am

I think Brian Bosworth was right about the NCAA 25 years ago then he said they wanted to to take the fun out of college football. However, here is a suggestion for eliminating the showboating. When the player crosses the goal line he has to “touch” the ball down. At that point the play is dead and you move on the the conversion. This is what they have been doing in Rugby for over a hundred years and it works. And that is how Americans came up with the word “touchdown”.

hammerhead

February 12th, 2010
11:26 am

The NCAA doesn’t recognize a champion in the sport of football, why should they be interested in continuing to govern the sport at all? It’s really nothing more than a “club sport” at this point and CFB should be making the rules, not the NCAA.

The celebration penalty is already a disaster, this makes it even worse.

Will

February 12th, 2010
11:31 am

convenient that this comes out AFTER Tebow is done playing football

word up

February 12th, 2010
11:35 am

so now we can get make up celebration calls before score as well as after…? oh great. looks like georgia will be one of the most penalized teams in the country this year. again.

Fred

February 12th, 2010
11:37 am

What do you expect from a bunch of academic, elitist, busybodies. They always know whats best, according to them. Kind of like the federal government know what’s best for the individual and will make sure that it’s so by force if neccessary.

15 yard penalty – excessive salt intake.

ga gator

February 12th, 2010
11:38 am

What’s the difference between AJ Green staring into the crowd after a great TD catch and Brandon Spikes punting the football into the stands after a pick 6? Nothing.

.

February 12th, 2010
11:38 am

The call on Green didn’t cause UGA to lose…thats bs.
I like the new rule. Football has no place for celerations to the extreme.

30-24 Dawgs - WE RUN THIS STATE!

February 12th, 2010
11:41 am

Totally bogus if they follow through in toughening this bogus rule.

Teabag never got flagged for excessive celebration in 4 years of the gatuh chomp. Ridonk.

Dwayne/Dog fan

February 12th, 2010
11:46 am

here is an idea. u run into the endzone with the ball, you toss the ball to an official, if one is not close, you place it on the ground. Run to the sidelines and celebrate with the WHOLE TEAM. Since we are on the subject. no defensive player will celebrate a freaking tackle or a sack, do lineman celebrate the other 50 plays you didn’t make a sack????, no offensive player will celebrate a run, or get up and point first down, thats what the official is for. There is tons of stuff to write about, but, you get the picture.

falcondawg

February 12th, 2010
11:46 am

Most people love college football because of the emotion so why set so many limits on emotional acts. Makes no sence to pour water on college footballs fire!

Bill

February 12th, 2010
11:46 am

Damn, look at all the dawg fans crying over a little rule change. Holy Cow now its Tebow to blame, give me a break. Don’t all of you know the blame for everything is always on BUSH ! Just play ball and stop crying. Go Bama!

DawgBite

February 12th, 2010
11:47 am

Yeah it was a horrible call! On the otherhand, calls tend to even out in the longrun. I know I have seen many questionable (should I say “very questionable” calls :) come our way over the years. I generally am not a biased fan and truly attempt to look at the game fairly even if hoping we kick some butt.

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

February 12th, 2010
11:47 am

ga gator, that has to be the dumbest thing thing ever written by someone other than Jeff Schultz

Munson Bisher

February 12th, 2010
11:48 am

So a group of tired, fat, old white men get together to make redonk fun killing rules for a game that most never played or have not played this century.

Great, I hope those cracka-arsed crackas kill their dang golden goose.

Henry D.

February 12th, 2010
11:49 am

So the officials have already proved that they have no common sense in calling these stupid penalties, so it makes sense to punish the teams even more when a ref blows a call.

Beautiful! After all, we do so look forward to watching the officials in these games.

DawgBuzz

February 12th, 2010
11:50 am

Football is full of emotion. These are young guys who get excited as anyone when a big play occurs. Celebrating is part of the game. “Taunting” and “excessive” are subjective by Refs who continued to make incorrect calls all last season. How will this make it better??

gabeaux

February 12th, 2010
11:50 am

Will Dawg fans please shut up about the LSU game? The call was bad but that only made the field 85 yards instead of 100. Those 85 yards your team gave up in three plays. 85 yards in three plays, remember? It wasn’t the refs who laid down and rolled over in those 85 yards, it was your lousy defense! The refs gave LSU fifteen yards! Not the game. Fifteen yards! I’ve heard more conspiracy theories on this than the JFK assassination. The rest of the world has moved on. Give it up, please.

ga gator

February 12th, 2010
11:50 am

This is the same bunch that “vacates” wins from FSU. Only the NCAA could make a ruling where they take wins away from games with no winners.

F-105 Thunderchief

February 12th, 2010
11:52 am

How come nothing is called on defensive players for the chest thumping, strutting, and head shaking they do after every flippin’ play? You were supposed to have made that play, melonhead, go back to the huddle and get ready for the next play.

gabeaux

February 12th, 2010
11:52 am

LSU gets ALL the calls because Les Miles is a genius and a wizard with the play clock.

ga gator

February 12th, 2010
11:53 am

Two words : Penn State. Go back to the bayou.

Trout Dude

February 12th, 2010
11:54 am

You should get penalized if you do not celebrate. There should be 3 to 5 judges from other sports such as gymnastics, diving, ice skating, etc. at each end zone. Your team can gain bonus points based on originality, technical difficulty, and overall fan applause to the celebration. Any fighting or hurt feelings from the other team could result in a loss of points. Bonus points can be overthrown by the white hat or re-play booth………………..

Ryan

February 12th, 2010
11:55 am

Not good – I’ve always liked college football more than the NFL, but having refs completely influence the outcome of games based on their personal opinions and not facts really concerns me. On second thought if you do some research to determine which refs, like which teams you will be able to make some serious money in Vegas.

Bob S

February 12th, 2010
11:55 am

can agree about taunting; but the part about “prolonged individual acts” is an interpreted decision by referees who sometimes get “caught up” in a situation. How long is “prolonged”? What constitutes a “celebration”? I understand taunting and feel it should be handled with zero tolerance.

DawgBuzz

February 12th, 2010
11:56 am

Trout Dude – don’t forget the score cards!!!!

fan

February 12th, 2010
11:56 am

you can thank the Miami Hurricanes for the celebration penalty. watch the espn documentary on The U. those THUGS are the blame for this.

WonderDawg

February 12th, 2010
11:56 am

Why affect the outcome of a game? Just fine the coach $10K for the first showboating violation, $25K for second. Get in the coaches’ pocketbooks. Showboating will end once and for all.

auboy

February 12th, 2010
12:02 pm

NCAA stands for “National Communists Against Athletes” Another stupid rule to ruin the game.

Dwayne/Dog fan

February 12th, 2010
12:02 pm

college ball was exciting back in the day of leather helmets…go 4 horsemen.

Dbalcer

February 12th, 2010
12:05 pm

It is too subjective. What constitutes a taunt? It is bringing in the ref into a situation that is too subjective. I hope it doesn’t pass because refs don’t need to decide the games. We have seen the effects of that happening in the GA/LSU game.

GSU Eagle 91

February 12th, 2010
12:05 pm

I am all for the rule change…Football is NOT a game of “Me” celebration that some players want to call it…Good job, rules comittee. Throw the flag, nullify the play, and put the chumps on the bench where they belong….
Or better yet, back on the curb where they were found in the first place…

DawgBuzz

February 12th, 2010
12:05 pm

This should start at the pro level. You always see some dumb dance or act in the endzone after a score. These are Pro players?? Who do these kids coming up see on the TV doing ths??? It’s monkey see monkey do. The example needs to start at the top.

Just Another DAWG!

February 12th, 2010
12:10 pm

I agree with “.” to some extent. The 15-yard penalty against AJ didn’t lose the LSU game. It was Willie M.’s pathetic Ultra-Prevent-Don’t Let the Receiver get behind you past the hedges Defense that lost the game.
The players should have to hand the ball to the ref after scoring and then get to the sideline and do all of the dancing, etc. they want.
I agree that the subjectivity of the refs is total BS and has screwed up way to many outcomes in recent years.

GATOR

February 12th, 2010
12:11 pm

AJ GREEN SHOULDNT BE ACTING LIKE A BOO

Jona

February 12th, 2010
12:13 pm

Have to keep a check on these teenagers. Let them celebrate uncontrolled and it will turn into a circus.

Bandit 17

February 12th, 2010
12:13 pm

I say make them all score nullifying penalties enforced from the previous spot. That is the only way to stop this garbage.

Without-a-clue

February 12th, 2010
12:15 pm

I’m against anything that results in more “subjective” calls and particularly with no punishment of referees who abuse their ability to make them.

Ferndolin

February 12th, 2010
12:17 pm

TOTAL B.S. Hey Gator. Being one of the elite teams in the SEC, you stand to benefit from this.
The rules committee is making machines out athletes. Members of the BORG for sure. BBBBBBBBBBBBSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Sonny

February 12th, 2010
12:21 pm

Great rule, They’er is no place in college football or high school for this kind of behaver. If you want to act like convicts then go to that place of higher learning.

DawgScout

February 12th, 2010
12:21 pm

There is no need for the officials to penalize celebration and showboating. If a kid starts showing off, the opposing team should be motivated to clock him to the ground on the next play.

ga gator

February 12th, 2010
12:24 pm

Will rule changes affect players that break into car lots to retrieve their cars, shoot AK-47s, use dead girls credit cards and say they have migraine head aches after failing drug tests?