The collapse of integrity at Atlanta Public Schools
Thinking Right’s free-for-all — today on a single topic, the tragedy of Atlanta Public Schools.
Ten observations:
1. The metastasized corruption that spread through the body of Atlanta Public Schools is the most heart-breaking collapse of public-sector integrity in Georgia in my adult life. Investigators found that 178 educators, including 38 principals, participated. More than 80 have confessed. Of 56 schools examined, cheating was found at 44. My God! So deep. So widespread.
2. Once in, cheaters were trapped in their own dishonesty — prompting Part 2, the cover-up. Investigators attributed a quote to now-retired principal Armstead Salters that explains how wrongdoing by individuals descends into systemic corruption. Said Salters, according to the report, “If anyone asks you anything about this just tell them you don’t know. … Just stick to the story and it will all go away.” That, one suspects, is the defense bureaucracies teach and learn to avoid accountability for program failings long before the don’t-know-don’t-tell strategy slip-slides into corruption.
3. Those who say “testing pressure” drove good people to cheat make excuses for the unethical and aid and abet their crime against children. That crime is failing to educate children while passing them through the system with self-esteem rallies and unearned grades. Meanwhile, they hold weekend “changing parties” to erase wrong answers on accountability tests.
4. Once the lie is spawned that children have been educated, their teachers, principals and administrators are vested in deceit. In one example offered by investigators, a hot-shot principal quickly produced unreal improvements in CRCT scores. Did Superintendent Beverly Hall drill down to find out how, as one might expect if a subordinate had indeed discovered a statistically impossible cure for nonperformance? Apparently not.
5. Hall and the Atlanta business community, as represented by the Metro Atlanta Chamber, were far too desperate to create a public image of success. A senior vice president of the chamber, according to investigators, sought to depict the cheating as limited and suggested that it be “finessed” past then-Gov. Sonny Perdue. It wasn’t. He appointed independent investigators. Hall cultivated business leaders, and they bought in to the “successful urban public school system” idea.
6. The scandal provides a clue to how segregation existed for so long in Southern communities. Leaders fell into an unspoken compact to create a mutually beneficial system based on illusion — mutually beneficial, that is, for those who controlled key institutions. That kind of compact is not always evil. At its best, it can elevate. Atlanta, “The City Too Busy to Hate,” was a community compact founded on illusion.
7. When bureaucracies or like-minded blocs come to believe it’s Us against Them — whoever “Us” and the more powerful “Them” are — it’s easy to self-justify cutting corners and disregarding laws or rules.
8. It’s a real tribute to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, to former editor Julia Wallace, to other editors and reporters, and to the principle of a free and independent media, that the sacred cow Hall personified was held accountable. Nobody wants to see the community’s National Superintendent of the Year or the system she ran brought down. Asking the questions that lead to truth required guts.
9. In every group scandal, there are individuals whose exemplary conduct under pressure inspires us all to hope that in similar circumstances we’d have been just as true to our conviction. An example is Arthur Kiel, the testing coordinator at Parks Middle School. He strongly resisted efforts by superiors and colleagues to tamper with tests, prompting elaborate efforts to deceive and to get him out the door.
10. Finally, nobody in the top job could be unmindful of that much corruption.
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BADA BING
July 8th, 2011
10:24 am
Is your APS student getting an education? I guess you will have to take an educated guess.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
July 8th, 2011
10:26 am
9/11-committing Bush was cheated into office by only the SCOTUS Roman Catholics’ illegal votes in the patently unconstitutional ‘Bush v. Gore’ decision. Should he not have picked cheaters for his cabinet?
midtownguy
July 8th, 2011
10:31 am
There have always been “two Atlantas.” One Atlanta has the majority of the money and by association the economic power, the other has the majority of the votes and, therefore, the political power. Neither group is really interested in changing that. 95% of the residents of my neighborhood could care less what goes on “south of Ponce” including the public schools. As long as the associated violence and crime that festers in the low income neighborhoods stays there (see uproar over Screen on the Green).
Neither group wants to share their power.
Sam
July 8th, 2011
10:36 am
For ALL involved in this scandal I want to see:
1) Terminate employment
2) File criminal charges
3) Revoke pensions
Now we have some teachers saying they were pressured to cheat but did not participate. Not that I believe them, but even if that is true, by their own admission thay had knowledge of the cheating and because they did not report it they are guilty of a code of conduct violation and still should be terminated. I’m sick and tired of the malfeasance by government workers in Atlanta and counties (Fulton, Dekalb, Clayton, etc). We need to clean house and stop this from happening in the future.
Tanisha Green
July 8th, 2011
10:40 am
No matter how screwed up or poor a school system is…there are always some kids every year who graduate, go on to college, and do very well. The main asset these successful students have is that they come from a stable family background (doesn’t always mean a two-parent household) where education and hard work are valued and promoted.
In the APS, the great majority of the students do NOT come from such backgrounds. There are a lot of socio-economic problems in our African-American community, and some problems are the kind that simply can’t be overcome by the time and resources that our education system has available. I do believe that every child can learn…but as a teacher, I simply do not have the time (or the authority) to do…in every case…what needs to be done in order to reach some of my more difficult students. (For one thing, I’ve had students who would have demanded just about my entire attention…just to educate that one student. But I didn’t have just one student. I had 28.)
Unlike most other education systems in the world, we tell ourselves that we have to educate every single child…and we don’t kick kids out completely, even those kids who do little more than just disrupt the education of their peers.
Yet we demand that a school system’s success be judged by the test scores of the entire student body, including students who do little more than just fill out the dots to make pretty pictures.
DawgDad
July 8th, 2011
10:43 am
The system (testing system) did not fail the kids, parents, taxpayers, and community, people failed them. Unethical, greedy, corrupt people. Education became a racketeering enterprise under amoral leadership. The heart of the blame (and accountability) runs through the Board, Administration, and teachers who perpetrated or enabled the scam, but the blame extends to the parents, voters, and community leadership too selfish or uncaring to mind their most basic parenting and stewardship responsibilities. To that point, one still has to wonder whether the future is bright or stormy.
It is very healthy to push this embarrassment out into public. Many people need to held accountable, prosecuted or otherwise expelled from the schools to the fullest extent possible. No doubt there will be some hefty civil suits as well.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
July 8th, 2011
10:48 am
Blame teachers for not blowing the whistle on cheating pressure by admin? We all know Bush and Cheney did 9/11. Is John Lewis doing any thing but supporting illegal immigration instead?
Sarah Caldwell
July 8th, 2011
11:09 am
Several observations.
1. For years, the Atlanta Public Schools have embraced a culture of looking good whether it was good for children or not. Student work, which should be posted to show improvement or exemplary (for the grade-level), wasn’t posted because it wasn’t perfect by adult standards. “It would look bad.”
2. It isn’t so much a “Testing Pressure” that drove good people, as if any of us are good (Can I have an Amen, brothers and sisters?), as it is that this kind of one-shot measurement leads to gaming the system in every circumstance. It happens in sales (”I’ve already won for this quarter; I’ll push this new sale onto next quarter’s records.”), in politics (”We’ve got Texas in the bag, we can ignore Kansas and Oklahoma and New Mexico.”), in hospitals, etc. Whatever is easy to count is emphasized. This scandal ought to lead to better ways to assess children, teachers and schools, but sadly, it won’t.
tar and feathers party
July 8th, 2011
12:24 pm
Lets see what the common denominators are in this cheating scandal, that will dictate the direction we go in for a solution: The Superintendent – A fat black female with a big mouth used to promote herself; Numerous fat black school principals with big mouths used to promote themselves; Numerous black school teachers with big mouths used to promote themselves. I think I see the problem, black self promoters. Solution: Do not hire another black superintendent, school principal, or teacher, they are all big mouthed liars and cheats.
tar and feathers party
July 8th, 2011
12:27 pm
The rumor is no one will be fired, all the liars and cheats will just have to take an Ethics course and promise not to lie, cheat, and steal again. Hmmm, much like the UGA football program, imho, when the NCAA had them one step from the NCAA death penalty. Hmmm, could these cheating teachers all be uga graduates?
AtlantaGator
July 8th, 2011
12:42 pm
WHERE is the NAACP while these so called “educators” and union thugs are ensuring another generation of African American illiterates? They’re busy protesting charter schools or school vouchers in the inner cities and lack of “diversity” at CNN. Doesn’t CNN need employees that can read and write intelligently?
APS Parent 3
July 8th, 2011
1:01 pm
@ Midtownguy. My kids attended (both in College on HOPE) 2 schools cited for cheating right at the beginning of Hall’s reign. I was overly involved then and still go to the board meetings. You are right-it is up to the parents. I checked bookbags, assisted in class, took tutorials to help my kids in any way. I even tried to speak with parents of class clowns to help my teachers. But, there is still the untold line drawn between North APS and South APS which needs to be addressed. The South schools have lost great teachers to the North and other systems when they earned higher degrees or national certification and would not comply with the cheating standards. It is a very well known untold fact that teachers that excelled were given contracts at north APS schools or told to leave.
It is sad that it took this long to uncover this mess when complaints were being heard from former board members (Jean Dobbs and former teacher) and even sent to the State DOE. The PSC and State should look back at complaints filed by teachers and parents during Hall’s administration.
To those who aided in this mess, the Chamber of White Atlanta who has the final say on the Superintendent and assisted in the cover up with L.Burks and company; Shirley Franklin, Reed and every State Superintendent – you all should now hold your heads in shame and apologize to the kids. Hall, her cabinet, principals and all other administrators should be jailed and force to repay all bonuses to help fray the cost of now re-educating every student in Atlanta. Lastly, those teachers that participated will now manage the local McDonalds, Wendys or Family Dollar because you will lose or be put on probation from the PSC.
carlosgvv
July 8th, 2011
1:36 pm
Starting in the 60’s, social programs were put in place to bring the performance level of black school children up to the white level. In the ensuing 50 years, every kind of social experiment imaginable has been tried to achieve this level. Nothing worked. So, certain Atlanta educators did the only thing left to do. They cheated. Now that this has been exposed, we’ll go back to former forgotten social experiments and start over. The inherent reason for this performance disparity will never be openly acknowledged because of political correctness.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
July 8th, 2011
1:47 pm
Blacks know the “White” false elite is evil and hypocritical. Let’s establish Righteousness by sticking to the Truth, pursuing Justice all round, hanging Bush and Cheney and giving Black kids something toward which to aspire: a place in the Œconomy of G-d’s Promised Land where hypocrisy and racism is gone and Truth and Justice reign under G-d alone…the American Dream for all Americans.
If not in Atlanta, Dr. King’s hometown, where?
nodawg
July 8th, 2011
2:11 pm
If Beverly Hall received any bonus, raise or cash awards for superintendent of the year, the State should sue to get them back.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
July 8th, 2011
2:39 pm
Exact measures against Beverly Hall but let Bush and Cheney off scot-free? Doesn’t sound like Equal Justice Under the Law to this American, by G-d.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
July 8th, 2011
2:55 pm
The premise of this column is “integrity,” after all.
Who has it, who gives it lip service?
What part of clueless don't U git?
July 8th, 2011
3:45 pm
Asking the questions that lead to truth required guts.
The collapse of integrity at Atlanta Public Schools
Dunce cap making for dummies.
July 8th, 2011
3:46 pm
The dunce cap is the cornerstone of a nutritious education. Bring back the dunce cap.
Dunce cap making for dummies.
July 8th, 2011
3:48 pm
I think castor oil, the dunce cap, and an oversized ruler is the way to a more educated Georgia.
Glenn
July 8th, 2011
4:39 pm
@ BADA my BADA:
iyour proposed bumperstickers are great! I just might go to Underground this weekend and get them made for myself, so should you spot them on the back of an ancient Caddie don’t come after me for failing to pay you licensing fees. this whole drill-and-kill dad really was just a bumpersticker to begin with. We now have recourse to far more sophisticated, continuous and even educative, forms of student assessment–as you must know. The evaluation of a school’s health, however, still is better done the old-fashioned way, by experienced evaluators observing on the ground and making subjective as well as empirical evaluations. No shortcuts!
@ B.:
The mandatory ethics training is itself somewhat unfair and disingenuous, I agree. For decades now, this kind of prescription itself has served has served as a ready panacea in all the professional fields. By the early ’80s Ethics, as a philosophical study, was moribund in all the elite universities in the U.S. Then, though, came and interesting wave of developments: very prominent stories of criminal corruption in finance, politics, medicine, etc. Adding to that wave’s momentum was an increasingly felt lack of Bioethics instruction for, e.g., those in the biopharma and biomedical fields. Consequently, in only a few years, Ethics became a groth industry.
Judges kept sentencing the functionaries of errant organizations to mandatory ethics training relevant to the organizations’ respective sectors, and quite suddenly every fancy professional school in the country felt it needed a house ethicist to teach business ethics or medical ethics or whatever. This trend created problems for (esp. the) postgraduate schools of education, because the mindset of the legal authorities pressuring educators to board thiat bandwagon–basically, judges and politicians, abetted by the Press–is somewhat distinct from an educator’s motives and notional constructs.
First, there is no such thing as ethics “training”. Pigeons are trained, yet pigeons, like lawyers, have no discernable ethics. Humans cannot be trained in ethics anymore than an attorney can be, but they can be instructed, enlightened, EDUCATED in that direction.
Second, Education itself is a moral enterprise, for both teacher and the student; therefore the notion of educational ethics is, at worst, meaningless and at best a euphemism for vying political approaches to teaching.
Finally, you can be sure that the syllabus that State authorities plan to impose upon school personnel will have little or nothing to do with actual Ethics. The higher officials are abusing that term. Ethics is simply the attempt to distinguish in practice the moral Right from the moral Wrong. While, in a way, it might be charming to see Atlanta’s educators subbordinated to compulsory education by force of Law, such that they might taste the sting of their own lash, in practice they will be taught, not Right from Wrong, but merely what is legal vs. what is criminal. that course of study is almost the antonym of Ethics. (Or of Education, for that matter.)
Glenn
July 8th, 2011
4:59 pm
Oh. And I’m not comfortable with punishing teachers for undermining the testing regime. The culpable administrators, as the more immediate state actors, should feel the brunt of opprobrium and sanction for the State’s unthinking policies. The classroom teachers themselves were all but patsies. What they did was wrong, of course, but the playing-out of ill-considered state legislation eventually set them up for a fall. teachers who work for years on the front lines, however jaded they may have become about workplace politics, however gamey about optimizing the civil service system, almost always will awaken as from a nightmare when they here some authentic call to return to their original motives to educate children. That’s not a fond whim. That’s something I’ve found for years in good and bad schools all over this country.
Glenn
July 8th, 2011
5:06 pm
“Who has it, who gives it lip service?”. That is succinct beyond my powers.
Rafe Hollister
July 8th, 2011
6:24 pm
It is not race nor cultural, it is one party rule. No city, state, or federal government can long exist corruption free, unless there are checks and balances from the other party. Atlanta is much like Daley’s Chicago, everyone scratching each others back and favoring the political donors.
Producer
July 8th, 2011
6:53 pm
Fire all of their lying, cheating, corrupt a$$es! Every one of them. All 180. Union be damned! I don’t know what made us think the supposed academic progress was legit in the first place. I mean, Atlanta surely qualifies as a Georgia school, a distinction that automatically puts them in 48th or 49th place as far as student smarts anyway! These kids can barely walk and chew gum at the same time!
Michael H. Smith
July 8th, 2011
6:56 pm
Nothing will clean-up the corruption that exists in the government education monopoly of public schools like school vouchers: “Let the money follow the student.”
Georgia needs a School Choice Amendment to the State Constitution on the ballot for 2012.
Glenn
July 8th, 2011
7:05 pm
practically we can’t fire them. any more than we could afford to fire nurses wholesale. They’re all but impossible to replace without seriously expensive downgrading, and anyway, as I’ve tried to express, were we to jumpstart their commitment to teaching we’d have the benefit of veterans. that advantage shouldn’t be sold short.
Glenn
July 8th, 2011
7:14 pm
It’s a pickle, admittedly. I would offer the red-meat administrators to the public as scapegoats and try to retain and enoble as many of the teachers as possible. (This Rx gets sexist and racist in a hurry, I know). But that’s the Pragmatist, not the Idealist, talking. The Chamber and its electeds have got to eat some crow on this too, as it was they who incubated the crow.
Producer
July 8th, 2011
7:15 pm
I understand, Glenn, but there are literally thousands of teachers out of work across the country. I think these folks might be replaced by hungry, more idealistsic replacements more easily than you and I think.
Producer
July 8th, 2011
7:17 pm
And seeing as these students are scraping the bottom of the academic barrel anyway, how much worse could a new crop of teachers do? Seriously…
Glenn
July 8th, 2011
7:30 pm
Rafe, there are no checks here. this is “Chinatown”. the Paper never will win Pullitzers for this because this mess cannot have a happy ending for children, partly onnacounta the AJC is and always has been part of the Complex in Atlanta. this is all a shadowy puppet show, and I feel sorry for the young, front-page reporters who presume otherwise. The Paper has done some noble work on this, but still functions as not much more than Damage Control for the imposing political forces that made these unutterably simplistic mistakes as though a one of them knew squat about pupil assessment or school quality.
J.B. Stoner-(the white one)
July 8th, 2011
7:37 pm
Glenn doesn’t have the FIRST clue. I tried to tell you YEARS ago when school systems were turning from white to black to back OFF busing. What did yiu do? You let the black brotherhood take control of administrating the school systems. (Case in point, Dekalb Co.) Then what happened? Money had to be controlled….
My point is CONTROL when talking about MONEY and BLACK control DO NOT MIX.
Glenn
July 8th, 2011
8:05 pm
@Producer,
Fair enough. It’s not the instructors who fail the pupils, however; what fails us is the increasingly politicized and therefore forbiddingly complex yet ignorantly political takeover of the schools. Bad teachers should be shunned from polite society, yes, but trust me they are few. The remaining miscreants ought better to be counseled in private by the heroic holdouts and reminded of the nobility of their collective mission apart from governmental imperatives and union packages. trust me, this approach would work in stopgap.
Longrun, Georgia should quit adopting edu-fads from other states and summon its own unique genius in resolution of its lasting difficulties in schooling its own. I’ve found that this state, even from colonial days, produces its own inventiveness, perpetuates its own particular wisdom. it would be nice to believe that the happy graduates of Georgia’s schools are distinctive products of Georgia, and heirs to this state’s special patrimony. Toward that end I’d like to see the State’s great Land Grant university develop its own battery of portfolio entrance exams, which in turn and inevitably would shape the state schools in higher ed and, thereby, ultimately define the operations of all the feeder schools, secondary and therefore presecondary. Georgia is too great a state to buy its student exams or its silly “standards” off the shelf. So I look to UGA. It possesses the werewithal. so does GA Tech do, for that matter.
the new Governor is a relatively good guy, but he’s looking too often to the wrong people, best I can tell.
Glenn
July 8th, 2011
8:17 pm
@ Stoner,
It’s true that I was for busing. Dig your irony, though. How crazy that whole scene was then! even pseudo-redistricting, and the “freedom school” rebellion and everything. Black and White tried everything to prevent children from learning together as child learners. Thank you for reminding me that there so recently was a time when Politics all but shut down the day-to-day operations of simple instruction.
Glenn
July 9th, 2011
4:59 am
@ Producer:
Your macro-think is a balm. All along here I’ve tried to follow Mr. Wooten’s suit in not indicting the unions, because at some point that ostensibly fruitful line of argument ends in a cul-de-sac. If you’d please keep your somewhat astonishing mind on the ball, then sure I get how cool it is that we here can speak frankly about race politics and the who’s-who that screws up a great city and a great state, BUT please, let’s look toward accelerating the next Georgia according to the lights of young persons now in schools secondary and postsecondary. We won’t have long to wait. They deserve the honest evidence of what we’ve done, otherwise they can’t judge and correct. it’s bad enough that a huge cohort of schoolteachers should be found guilty of cheating on a universal test that was itself, by definition, a political cheat, but obviously none of us wants children of any color reared in a culture of cheating. If I take anything from this Governor, probably it amounts to a general sentiment that “It’s over. Let’s go!”
Glenn
July 9th, 2011
5:12 am
Sorry to belabor, but I just recalled, apposite of Producer’s fearful observation, that Al Shanker, of all forgotten people, once told me and a boardroomful of people that “we could fire two-thirds of teachers and double the salaries of the remaining third” and be better off. Obviously he was espousing radical restructuring, as already he had in mind a de-professionalization of teaching combined with a (Carnegie-underwritten) hyper-professionalization of the old practice.
Glenn
July 9th, 2011
7:01 am
5. Funny but not really funny.
Sophie
July 9th, 2011
7:10 am
Since this mess is going to cost all of us some how. I would not be surprised if Kasmin and his Common Council are already trying to use this APS mess to add a another charge to the SEWER BILL . APS CLEAN UP FUND .
h
July 9th, 2011
8:58 am
Ironic that Glenn was for busing. What simple minded so and so would want busing. He jumps in and out of bed with stupidity daily.
Still believe he needs to pull off the mask, you know “Dr. Stan/ YKW-TBO/Our Lord and Savior ” and quit the crap.
himey
July 9th, 2011
8:59 am
Yes, the ‘h’ is me.
Nope
July 9th, 2011
9:04 am
“Is our children learning.” GW
Yep
July 9th, 2011
9:28 am
” Are our children learning”. G.Bush. ……….. you dope.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
July 9th, 2011
9:39 am
Black kids all know Bush and Cheney did 9/11. Their teachers know they know. Denied truth leads to all sorts of cancer, institutionally and personally. This cheating scandal’s being one example should lead Atlanta to lead America toward Truth and Justice…toward G-d, the Creator upon Whom all our “Annuit Coeptis” blessings rely.
Nope
July 9th, 2011
9:52 am
“Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning” qouting George Bush 43rd President of the USA
Yep, I concur. GW is a dope.
Will Jones - Atlanta Jeffersonian Exegesis
July 9th, 2011
11:35 am
GWBush is a homosexual draft-dodger cheated, by only the SCOTUS’ Roman Catholics, into the White House to commit 9/11 treason on behalf of the Roman Anti-Christ and PNAC Netanyahu’s false Jews who helped him. It is no coincidence that his father “can’t recall” his whereabouts upon hearing of JFK’s assassination, nor that his grandfather was the money conduit from Vatican banker Rockefeller’s Roman Catholic collection plate funds to the author of “I Paid Hitler.” That is why papal baron and Prescott Bush’s fellow Knight of Malta, Fritz Thyssen, was called “The Rockefeller of Germany:” he was an extension of the Rockefeller of America, who, leading the CFR and the cabal which runs the illegal Federal Reserve President Kennedy ended, is the Roman Anti-Christ’s Fifth Column’s head in Our Country and in much of the world.
Death for Treason
P.S. Black kids in Atlanta know all the above, too. White, Black, Jew, and Gentile received America in covenant with G-d. There is only One G-d, where Truth and Justice rule.
Dabir Dalton
July 9th, 2011
12:46 pm
The collapse of integrity at Atlanta Public Schools just barely scratches the surface of the complete lack of journalistic integrity so amply demonstrated by wooten and his fellow conservatives pundits on a regular basis.
lugnut
July 9th, 2011
3:59 pm
I do hope the perp walks pf the perpetrators is in bright sunshine with lots of news cameras all around. Ms. Dr. Hall, the fashion maven, will perhaps look a bit on the dowdy side in the standard issue orange jumpsuit. Note to Ms. Dr. Hall, ask for one that’s new. The old one’s have these funky stains that even oxy-clean can’t remove.
Chris
July 9th, 2011
5:25 pm
Accountability must be part of the culture in our public institutions. What isn’t being discussed are the parents whose children were impacted by this scandal. Not only did many children not pass these tests but are that much further behind their peers. Where were the parents?
Parents must be actively involved in their children’s education. There simply is no way around it yet today it seems parents are all to eager to abdicate responsibility for their children’s education. It is difficult to believe such widespread cheating was taking place and many parents were blissfully unaware. Hogwash! The teachers and administrators should be held responsible for their conduct but the parents who knew and did nothing should be ashamed of themselves. They turned a blind eye not only to cheating but also to the abuse of their own children.
Jess
July 9th, 2011
5:45 pm
I see Ms. Hall has finally apologized to the children in Atlanta for any harm this may have done to them. Apparently she has no idea of the true damage she has done to this city. Businesses who were considering Atlanta will surely drop their consideration. Businesses currently in Atlanta who see a way out will surely pull up stakes. There is no telling the economic harm she hs done.
I would say she has caused Atlanta more harm than anyone since Sherman.
FROMAWAY64
July 9th, 2011
6:58 pm
Fruits of diversity………….what would you expect of a people that for lack of contact with other races would still be squatting in the dirt (oh yeah, they are still doing that despite everything)………..and we give these people positions of responsibly with the help of affirmative action and dumbing down of standards. Oh well, isn’t diversity great?????