The flight of political courage

Thinking Right’s weekend free-for-all. Pick a topic:

● Republicans, with full control over redistricting and the state budget, have power under the Gold Dome to run roughshod over the opposition on issues important to them, even to the extent of passing proposed constitutional amendments. Not to worry, though. Georgia has no conservative majority, no rock-the-boat majority, and no majority that should cause old-line Democrats to fear power sharing. Latest example: A proposed change in education law that would have given school choice to parents who serve in the military, to those with children with mild to moderate disabilities and to those who take in foster children, failed to come up for a vote. It was tabled for the year by Senate Majority Leader Chip Rogers.

● Political courage to these alleged right-wingers is to take out the legislative trash left by Democrats. While failing to give parents choice in public education, the state Senate did pass a bill to allow locals to vote on Sunday alcohol sales, something the convenience store lobby had never been able to get from Democrats who ruled Georgia. The vote was 33-22. Brothers and sisters of the Right, being bold ain’t screwing up the courage to stand up to the church crowd. Don’t feel like a hick for respecting the desire of people of faith to preserve a piece of their week from the popular culture’s downward spiral. The boozers are not deprived by the obligation to think a day ahead. For those who can’t, it is possible in life to survive a one-day bout of delayed gratification.

● Fiscal conservatives should take note of Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed’s effort to stave off financial disaster in public pensions. On this issue, he’s the most interesting reform figure in Georgia. His proposal to City Council offers two options. One would shift all employees into a defined contribution plan similar to a 401(k). For state and all local governments, that’s the way to go. It virtually eliminates the tinkering with numbers — almost always unnoticed by the public — that plants the seeds of financial disaster in public defined benefit plans. If the City Council approves and this withstands a certain court challenge, it will be revolutionary. The other option would nudge employees making less than about $40,000 into Social Security. Just over half of the city’s current pension liability is funded; that liability is expected to triple to $4.5 billion over the next decade.

● Hillary Clinton wants to leave after 2012. We should help.

● No question that Tuesday’s 79-vote win by proponents of a four-year extension of a one-cent sales tax is a preview of next year’s proposed one-cent regional sales tax. The vote in Cobb next year will be split along the same lines, with more against than for in 2012. But the tax will be imposed on Cobb anyway because voters in Fulton, DeKalb and Clayton will provide the margins needed to impose the tax across the region. It should be the law that all votes on tax issues should come in a primary or general election. Elections held off-cycle favor those who wish to grow government.

● The tea party has been good for Georgia. Latest example: Because of its pressure, the Legislature has shelved a proposal to create the health insurance exchange, which is to come in one form or another under Obamacare. The state should plan and prepare, but otherwise do nothing that lays the groundwork for Obamacare until after the 2012 election.

● A newsman from outside I-285 once told me, by way of emphasizing that his interest was in local news, that if an A-bomb fell on Atlanta, the story would be the fallout. That’s been America’s reaction to the tragedy in Japan that may have cost 25,000 lives. Nuclear power is our future. The wind farms and solar panels are a drop in the energy bucket.

132 comments Add your comment

tar and feathers party

March 17th, 2011
6:53 pm

When will Obama be held accountable for closing Yucca Mountain Nuclear Repository? We now have 104 nuclear power plants with massive amounts of used fuel rods stored on site, they were suppose to have been sent to Yucca Mountain in 1998! The Yucca Mountain Repository is the United States’ designated deep geological repository storage facility for spent nuclear reactor fuel and other radioactive waste. It is located between the Mojave Desert and the Great Basin Deserts in the U.S. State of Nevada. Although the location has been highly contested by environmentalists and residents, it was approved in 2002 by the United States Congress. In 2009 the Obama Administration stated that the site was no longer an option and proposed to eliminate all funding in the 2009 United States federal budget, prompting inquiries from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC).

tar and feathers party

March 17th, 2011
6:58 pm

The Department of Energy was to begin accepting spent fuel at the Yucca Mountain Repository by January 31, 1998 but did not do so because of a series of delays due to legal challenges, concerns over how to transport nuclear waste to the facility, and political pressures resulting in underfunding of the construction.

Henryk Hofstad

March 17th, 2011
7:40 pm

I’m confused. Don’t really care one way or t’other about Sunday sales. If it keeps the church crowd’s metaphysics arm then it’s OK by us, though I reckon there’s a reason why Christ turned water to wine and not vice versa. Structural education reform, however, it’s seems should be non-negotiable for reigning conservatives Downtown. Education is most of what they constitutionally are contracted to govern, so it’s painful to see them wobble in fulfillment of their principles.

Still I admire how Gov. Deal has handled his priorities thus far. Letting hot-button matters such as pension reform wait, he’s already made tough, unpopular decisions about budget priorities including tough school reform. If he prevails on water in the courts it will have been a promising first year for him. I’ll be thankful that we had neither another term for Roy Barnes, who could think of nothing to do on education other than tax&spend on behalf of his political benefactors, nor of Sonny Perdue, who was nowhere to be found six months into the height of Georgia’s last water crisis.

I’ll be glad to help see Ms. Clinton into the wings of the political stage next year. She’s justifiably tired. Otherwise she might have headed her party into a compelling fight in 2012. I’ll never forget how one of her campaign handlers strong-armed a coed at one of the televised presidential debates into dropping a hardball question about Yucca Mountain containment in favor of a scripted softball pitch to candidate Clinton about the ccandidate’s preference for pearls over diamonds.

Haunting symbolism…

midtownguy

March 17th, 2011
8:05 pm

You believe the wishes of the “church crowd” should outweigh the wishes of the majority of Georgians? But the way, it is not the “church crowd” it is the “fundamentalist crowd.” Find me a Catholic or Episcopal priest who supports a Sunday ban on alcohol sales.

JP

March 17th, 2011
8:09 pm

“The boozers are not deprived by the obligation to think a day ahead. For those who can’t, it is possible in life to survive a one-day bout of delayed gratification.”

Jim – you sound like you are trying to think for the rest of us. How very liberal of you. And calling those that want Sunday sales “boozers?” Why don’t I just call you an idiot.

m. fresh

March 17th, 2011
8:38 pm

have always enjoyed your writing, until now.

i don’t drink; however, your twisted thinking and vacant statement about “boozers” has lowered your credibilty to CT standards.

good to know a backward thinking geezer at a failed newspaper still clings to early 20th century standards and has no problem enforcing them on the entire state.

Lawrence

March 17th, 2011
8:40 pm

Jim… I am one that is prone to have a drink in the evening. I buy my booze on Saturday to assure I will have enough for the weekend. I can see the point of others that want to purchase it seven day a week. My main concern is the disregard of the religious principles that we have so long aspired to. If we are allowed to purchase it on Sunday at least remember why the day is Holy.

MiltonMan

March 17th, 2011
9:32 pm

Yes! – bring another GOP district to North Georgia – even better take away the one from the racist John Lewis or the idiot Hank “Guam will tip over” Johnson.

Henryk Hofstad

March 17th, 2011
9:34 pm

Well, midtwnguy, I’m pretty sure that my Anglican deacon doesn’t support the ban on Sunday sled but still I live in a county where the local Baptist megachurch is basically the Vatican for political purposes and as I love those people I won’t fight them if this sop to Georgia Purity keeps them happy. See what I mean? As we can observe already herein, it’s a libertarian issue, and I can’t help but regard it, as I do most libertarian concerns, as a waste of time. We’ve got wars, rumor’s of wars, and a bankrupt public economy. I’d rather worry about those matters. Especially as children are concerned.

MiltonMan

March 17th, 2011
9:35 pm

It took the GOP to over turn the blue laws that were enforced by the moron Democrats in this state.

RightOutOfThe50's

March 17th, 2011
9:53 pm

Jim’s thinking right again. Right out of the 50’s. Pathetic and sad as usual.

Will

March 17th, 2011
10:06 pm

Jim:

I have often been critical of republicans and their sincerity in addressing spending in Washington. I now stand corrected.

In a stunning display of political courage, republicans have moved within reach of balancing our national budget and eliminating the deficit that so threatens the very foundation of our beloved republic.
Whereas others look to trival spending like federal entitlements and defense spending, these brave republicans have stepped up to the plate, identified the most important of all spending and bit the bullet – NPR funding has been done away with by these brave patriots!!! Millions of dollars will be saved – this will lead to massive employment gains and finally place our republic on the road to recovery.

Blinking not once in the face of charges that they were only playing politics by going after something they did like, these brave patriots have acted totally out of principal in order to stop the flow of red ink in Washington. Millions I tell you, millions…not thousands but millions of dollars will be saved even as these brave patriots shed tears over this heroic fight.

Yes, republicans have heard the message loud and clear from our grand republic – get serious – save millions – quit fooling around with silly things like budget and deficit reduction studies conducted in bipartisan step by legislators like Senators Chambliss and Warner – start at the top with million dollar savings by eliminating funding for NPR.

Now I truly believe these brave republicans have heard the call. Up next, could it possibly be federal funding for military advertising at NASCAR events? Wasteful spending for gas and oil used to power grass mowers that cut the Mall Lawn in Washington? Surely not even these brave budget cutters could finish the job by, no they wouldn’t possibly…have the courage….to strike down total, complete federal funding for..okay, I’ll say it…..replacement trash cans at Arlington National???????

Jenny Lind

March 17th, 2011
10:15 pm

Will,

They’re just neophytes cutting their teeth on fruit before they get around to the really shocking meat. As sharks reverse their scary eyeballs immediately before striking. Ain’t seen nothin’ yet, but these mean women unmistakably are out for blood.

Jenny Lind

March 17th, 2011
10:58 pm

Excuse me, as I’d meant to say “MEN and women”…

The rest, I stand by.

eatmotacos

March 18th, 2011
12:59 am

Reminds me of Roller Derby or Wrastling….

GB

March 18th, 2011
7:07 am

Regarding the bill on health insurance exchanges: the bill was designed to do exactly what you propose, “plan and prepare.”

The Tea Party opposition to the bill threatens to place us in an all or nothing situation. If Congress repeals Obamacare, of it the courts overturn it, we win. If Obamacare is upheld and not repealed, then we lose, with no state-control whatsoever over the operation of the exchanges.

The bill the Tea Party stopped does nothing but create a governance structure for state-run exchange, just in case.

seabeau

March 18th, 2011
7:19 am

Will!! Its not the funding being witheld from NPR ,its ending taxpayers contribution to NPR’s liberal propaganda.

Road Scholar

March 18th, 2011
7:29 am

Insurance exchange: Lord no we don’t want to make it easier and cheaper for georgia citizens to get health insurance!

The liquor sales on Sunday has done nothing to force Christians from imbibing on Sunday! Now let’s count heads at the bar on Sunday!

Dr. Stan (The Black One)

March 18th, 2011
7:46 am

Dr. Stan @ http://www.radioliberty.com is teaching Americans Nuclear power is our future too… But here is what concerns me Jim about nuclear energy. Granted an act of God Almighty may have cost Japan 25,000 lives, but I struggle with having many of the New World Order integrationist devotees and their devilish black minions in our country having access to sensitive positions at nuclear power facilities and the opportunity to cause a national nuclear emergency. You know from the start that motley crew is not Thinking Right.

Dr. Stan (The Black One)

March 18th, 2011
7:58 am

We know someone hostile to us at NASA caused the space shuttle Challenger to explode 73 seconds after liftoff on January 28, 1986.

Dr. Stan (The Black One)

March 18th, 2011
7:59 am

Columbia disintegrating over Texas during re-entry into the Earth’s atmosphere on February 1, 2003.

Dr. Stan (The Black One)

March 18th, 2011
8:01 am

There is the British Petroleum Oil Spill in the Gulf of Mexico which destroyed ecosystems. And the fallout has caused skepticism about drilling off our coast for America’s energy independence.

Dr. Stan (The Black One)

March 18th, 2011
8:02 am

Dr. Stan, the black one, has been educating African Americans for years about the perverted atheistic New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions. We can’t rule anything out with this motley crew. Space ships and oil spills are one thing, but the threat of those criminals causing a nuclear catastrophe is another. Not only has the doctrine of integration rendered them atheistic, perverted, dumb, and stupid. But they have become perfectly possessed with evil too.

School Teacher

March 18th, 2011
8:08 am

Mr. Wooten,
We can all plan ahead. That was never the point.

Mr. Dithers

March 18th, 2011
8:23 am

Seabau, do you even listen to NPR? Your comment indicates you don’t. If you did, you would know NPR is not liberal propaganda, but rather the only truly balanced coverage of the news that is available. The comments of a fundraiser do not rise to the level of organizational policy. Listen for a few days and see if you don’t feel better informed about the issues and events of the day.

Mr. Dithers

March 18th, 2011
8:29 am

Jim, how do alcohol sales on Sunday take away people of faith’s ability to preserve a piece of their week from popular culture’s downward spiral? Does the bill make purchasing alcohol on Sundays mandatory for every citizen? Does it allow drunken Sunday purchasers to invade churches and take over services, or to enter the homes of the faithful and disrupt family prayers and dinners? Does it require people of faith to accompany purchasers to stores to witness them purchasing alcohol? What is it about allowing someone like me, who is also a person of faith, to go to the store and purchase alcohol if the need arises on a Sunday afternoon that impacts the ability of other people of faith to enjoy their Sunday of worship and rest?

carlosgvv

March 18th, 2011
8:31 am

“political courage”

In the Georgia Legislature, that is know an an oxymoron.

BlahBlahBlah

March 18th, 2011
8:42 am

Wooten = just another phony “small government conservative” who likes big government when it comes to personal freedoms like when I can or can’t buy a six pack.

J.B. Stoner-(the white one)

March 18th, 2011
8:57 am

GlennBeck, today at 5:00 Fox News..

TRUE REPORTING..

Hope yall followed this weeks messages …

jt

March 18th, 2011
9:02 am

A little perspective.

There are Wooten-types in California and Colorado who are lamenting about people publicly sparking spliffs………….lawfully.Affronted I am sure.

The Wootens of the world, and their generation, asked to get the government involved 20, 30,40 years ago to solve their pet peeves……………………and then complain about the result.

Cultural downward spiral?

Don’t look in the Bottle shop on Sunday Sir…………look in the mirror.

Barry

March 18th, 2011
9:02 am

Well, Mr. Wooten, how about addressing these points: Why is it appropriate to defend a law that encourages me to drive to a restaurant on Sunday, drink beer and drive home, yet prohibits me from driving to a grocery store, buying a six-pack, taking it home and then drinking it? While we’re at it, to be fair, if we’re going to prohibit the sale of package alcohol on Sundays because of Baptists, shouldn’t we prohibit driving on Saturdays out of deference to Orthodox Jews? Hey, for that matter, why not go ahead and outlaw all alcohol out of deference to the Muslims and the Mormons? Say! We’re on to something! How ’bout some head scarves for the women! And don’t let ‘em drive – Allah wouldn’t like it! Hopefully, this descent into absurdity should adequately debunk the notion that it’s appropriate to constrain the sale or use of an otherwise-legal item out of deference to one particular religious sect. In fact, the idea of restricting Sunday sales until after 12:30 p.m. on Sundays is indefensible, too.

Buzz G

March 18th, 2011
9:02 am

Now let’s see if the State Republicans have enough courage to kick the illegal aliens out of their jobs and open them up to legal Georgians. HB 87 would have done just that, but it is being gutted and replaced in the Senate. Shame.

Peter

March 18th, 2011
9:10 am

Nuclear Power is our future according to Jim.

So he does read the Bible……… Man creates Hell on earth.

Wind and Solar can be the future, but the Southern Company will take the government funding for Nuclear, and squash the government funding for alternatives…..Why ?

Because they want more citizens money, and certainly don’t want individuals to make their own.

Next time a truck carrying Nuclear waste travels thought your neighborhood…….hopefully is doesn’t get a flat, side swiped by another vehicle, or have some issues, that leaves your neighbor hood glowing for decades.

Yes that thought isn’t plausible is it ? Of course not but neither is Japan’s current issue, Three Mile Island, or Chernobyl.

Yet neither was 911, which of course happened under the Republican watch…….I would say a crazy with a rocket is more dangerous than the truck accident…..that is a scenario just waiting to happen !

Why would it happen ?

We all know the Republican’s like to pick fights around the world, and someone is going to do something stupid because of it.

NotImpressed

March 18th, 2011
9:24 am

How can a product that is completely legal six days a week be illegal on the seventh day? What rational reason is there for this? Uh, there’s not one.

Hillary Clinton was the best candidate in the 2008 Presidential election primaries of EITHER party. She could govern circles around anyone one including Obama. Howard Dean screwed this country out of having a great POTUS.

Troglodyke

March 18th, 2011
9:25 am

The boozers are not deprived by the obligation to think a day ahead. For those who can’t, it is possible in life to survive a one-day bout of delayed gratification.

Right. Do you honestly think that the Sunday sales issue is because “boozers” can’t plan ahead? Anyone who still thinks this is truly not thinking.

I thought you were a conservative. “Real” conservatives don’t kowtow to the Religious Wingnuts. “Real” conservatives believe in individual freedoms, and letting the communities vote on issues that matter to them. But I guess “real” conservatism is dead. (Though, Mr. Deal, in his willingness to sign SB 10 into law should it reach his desk, even though he personally disagrees with it, is showing that he believes in conservatism…there is hope for GA yet.)

That’s too bad, because Libertarianism isn’t doing so well, and I sure as hell don’t want to be a Democrat.

But as long as the Republican party is controlled by the Religious Reich (in GA and anywhere else), I will NEVER vote Republican.

I respect believers’ rights to believe as they wish, but I will never respect how they want everyone else to live. America is a secular country, governed by a secular Constitution. Y’all can live by what your bibles say, but I will follow the REAL law, and I’ll be damned if you want to take my rights away.

J.B. Stoner-(the white one)

March 18th, 2011
9:45 am

NotIMPRESSED is a idiot…
Are you frickin crazy?

Clinton(any Clinton) is a damn joke.

Surely your comments are tongue in cheek……

get the hell out, you idiot……………

J.B. Stoner-(the white one)

March 18th, 2011
9:46 am

and what the hell is a” TROLODYKE?

You gotta be kidding me……….

Quick Work Break

March 18th, 2011
9:46 am

MiltonMan: “It took the GOP to over turn the blue laws that were enforced by the moron Democrats in this state.”
Do try to keep up with reality: It took the departure of an 8-year veto-promising Governor to overturn the religion-based nanny state blue laws. Nice try at rewriting history.

J.B. Stoner-(the white one)

March 18th, 2011
9:47 am

troglodyke.

geez………………

UIC

March 18th, 2011
9:58 am

“people of faith”..what’s that mean?? Whatever it is, I’m sure Jim considers himself a man of faith….faith in what? I’d guess a faith in having a self righteous excuse for every situation. An excuse to be hypocritical when it is settled law with which they disagree and an excuse to be self righteous and supportive of settled law with which they agree. (e.g. abortion …bad, killing people with their second amendment rights ….good…timing is everything in that debate). But, I agree with Jim on the Sunday sales debate. If the 17% increase in the variable expenses of a liquor store causes an increase in their prices, I say plan ahead.

Peter

March 18th, 2011
10:11 am

Jim is a hypocrite..and certainly is judging others with this statement.

“The boozers are not deprived by the obligation to think a day ahead. For those who can’t, it is possible in life to survive a one-day bout of delayed gratification.”

I guess Jim, may go to church, but doesn’t have a clue as to why he is there, because he has learned zero….But wait that is what the Religious Right do…..

They Judge others to be less them themselves, and then name call, to make themselves feel superior, which of course they are NOT !

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 18th, 2011
11:19 am

It should be the law that all votes on tax issues should come in a primary or general election.

Agreed. These SPLOST votes are designed to have a low turnout, as it now stands.

NotImpressed

March 18th, 2011
11:41 am

@JB Stoner- You may think I am “a idiot” but I would caution you that my IQ and advanced science degree would say differently.

I will get the hell out when I damn well please. If it’s ok with you, I’ll continue to exercise my right to free speech.

My comments were not tongue in cheek. IMO, Hillary Clinton would have made a much better POTUS than Obama.

Peter

March 18th, 2011
12:24 pm

Gee if Japan has to “Bury” the five reactors…..what cost will that be to the Japanese people who probably like American’s funded them ?

We all know nuclear does not happen without Government funding….the hand out Republican’s don’t talk about.

Seems now solar or wind at the beach would have been a smarter way to go in hind sight.

But hey Invading Iraq has done sooooooooooooo much for the typical American Family, besides the dead soldiers family’s !

Rockerbabe

March 18th, 2011
12:32 pm

“A proposed change in education law that would”. . .and deprive the GOP of a campaign issue in 2012! Oh please, school choice is just a talking point for the GOP.

“to take out the legislative trash left by Democrats” What trash. . .the GOP has been in control of the legislature for what 4-6 years now? The only trash that is left, is the trash the GOP has decided it wants to pursue. As far as booze is concerned, the last time I looked, Georgia is full of adults and if they want to drink on Sunday, so be it . . .not everyone is a right wing church going bigot with delusions of power.

“Fiscal conservatives should take note of Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed’s effort to stave off financial disaster in public pension.” The reason for this disaster is that the elected public officials made promises they knew they could not keep, would not keep and did nothing to keep. Screwing public employees is no more honorable than screwing private company workers. 401K are no pancea and are frought with uncertainty, especially for the less than financially savy. YOU GOP really seem pent on a race to the botton to make this country into a 3rd world nation.

“Hillary Clinton wants to leave after 2012″ She’s a great SoS and works 80+ hours a week; she’s probably tired. I bet you never worked that hard and spent that much time away from your family?

“o question that Tuesday’s 79-vote win by proponents of a four-year extension of a one-cent sales tax is a preview of next year’s proposed one-cent regional sales tax”. Just like the GOP, when a result is not to your liking, you cry foul! The money is needed for infrastructure in counties that are growing and the citizenry wants services – there is no free lunch, no matter what you say.

“the Legislature has shelved a proposal to create the health insurance exchange, which is to come in one form or another under Obamacare. The state should plan and prepare, but otherwise do nothing that lays the groundwork for Obamacare until after the 2012 election” So what is YOUR proposal to get the uninsured on to private insurance programs or do you think that 20% of the population is so worthless as to not deserve secure and confident access to medical care in their time of need? What a jerk!

“Nuclear power is our future. The wind farms and solar panels are a drop in the energy bucket”.
I propose that we build a spent nuclear rod facility in YOUR backyard and pass legislation that YOU have to live there against your will!

jconservative

March 18th, 2011
2:02 pm

Jim, the vote on Sunday booze, as some call it, is not about booze on Sunday. The bill was about letting local communities, not the central government, make the decision. I am somewhat surprised that you, a proclaimed conservative, would not be a supporter of letting local people make decisions in their best interest.

After local folks have the right to make the decision, then we can have the debate over selling booze on Sunday.

But lets all support smaller central government at both the national and state levels. The closer decision making is to the people, the better the decisions.

retiredds

March 18th, 2011
2:23 pm

Hey, Jim, you need to call up your buddy Newt and check his sanity out. I think in his grasping for straws what few screws loose in his cranium have completely fallen out. And this guy wants to run for president … laughable.

retiredds

March 18th, 2011
2:24 pm

Attach this to my recent post for the laughable part.

“You know, the president has this fixation with the Final Four. Spent time on ESPN giving us his version of what really mattered to him, which is the Final Four,” Newt Gingrich said on Fox News Channel Thursday night. “What’s strange is, with all of these crises, how can you focus that kind of time and attention as president of the United States — not as a private citizen, not as a spectator, not as a hobby?”

Henryk Hofstead

March 18th, 2011
2:34 pm

Good point, jconservative. Reminds me of the U.S. Supreme Court’s enshrining of “community standards”, the upshot of which is that it’s OK if what plays in Vegas doesn’t play in Macon or vice versa so long as the locals keep it to their own beat, consistent with constitutional liberties and limitations. I can live with that. Since the late ’60s it’s been a workable doctrine. (A bit coarsening, obviously,,.but what annointed standing has a jurist to buck a societal tide so long as the tide is merely vulgar and not unlawful?). Let Sin City be Sin City, Salt Lake be Salt Lake.

Henryk Hofstead

March 18th, 2011
2:49 pm

I’ve lived across the Lower 48, in dry towns and in decidedly drenched towns. I don’t choose residences according to the availability of alcohol. Rather, I choose to live among good people, and there are plenty of good folk in each camp. As the political scientists would say, it’s a “strong issue/weak issue” thing. If my neighbors feel strongly about it, since I feel weakly I defer to their standards even when I host a last-minute crowd of Sunday game watchers facing a shortage of beer. Such little crises are forgettable and forgivable enough. As long as nobody–figuratively–goes home hungry. (That would be simply rude). When I visit loved ones in Canada I respect Canada’s laws. If you see what I mean.