Democrats are toast in Georgia

Thinking Right’s weekend free-for-all. Pick a topic:

● Nathan Deal draws criticism with his first decision as governor-elect. His transition team, announced Wednesday, needs more diversity, critics say. Indeed it does. This and every appointment to come should include conservative women, conservative blacks, and conservatives of Korean, Indian, Vietnamese, Hispanic and other national origins. Koreans, by their example of hard work in difficult settings, Vietnamese by virtue of their sacrifices for us and their commitment to the American Dream, and Indians, in the hope that Georgia can find another Bobby Jindal, governor of Louisiana, or Nikki Haley, daughter of Sikh immigrant parents and the just-elected first woman governor in South Carolina.

● It’s no surprise that North Georgia dominates at the Gold Dome in the new year. Governor, lieutenant governor, speaker, attorney general , secretary of state, agriculture, labor and insurance commissioners and School Superintendent, all North Georgia. The region, to include the metro counties outside I-285 has long been the party’s base. It’s just in the past decade that whites in South Georgia started voting Republican in state races. Lots of counties south of the gnat line still elect Democrats — though that, too, is changing in counties that aren’t heavily black.

● Congress and this president so nationalized this year’s elections and so damaged their party’s brand, in this cycle at least, that no Georgia Democrat running statewide had a chance. Barring unchecked arrogance or corruption among Republicans, I don’t know how Democrats recover. I can think of fewer than 10 Democrats whose politics could get them elected in a center-right state. Others are smart and able, but can’t sell their politics in Cornelia and Tifton.

● Really, you don’t have to vote in a race when clueless. State Supreme Court Justice David Nahmias, who is as qualified as anybody I’ve seen appointed or elected to the Georgia bench in my lifetime, is in a runoff with a non-campaigning candidate whose primary statewide appeal was that she’s female and her last name starts with the letter “A.” We have no civic duty to vote in ignorance.

● One of the most persistent ballot problems plaguing this state is the presentation of proposed constitutional amendments. The brief description that appears on the ballot is coded emotionally to solicit a “yes” vote from the uninformed. Amendment 1, for example, was coded to ask whether we wanted to “make Georgia more economically competitive.” Amendment 2 prompted debate, and failed, but it was coded to ask whether we wanted to add an annual $10 “trauma charge,” i.e., tax, to certain passenger vehicles. Ballot language should be plain, simple and honest with no intent to influence outcome.

● Jim Trucks of Canton properly takes me to task for last week’s assertion that Deal spent most of his Congressional time in a Democratically controlled House. As Trucks notes, he went to Congress as a Democrat in 1992, but the GOP held sway for a dozen of the 17 years he was there. I regret the error and appreciate Trucks’ gentlemanly rebuke that “we conservatives have a hard enough time even when we get our facts straight; it is, therefore, unfortunate when we don’t.” Agreed.

● National results Tuesday buoy optimism about America’s future and, in that spirit, no ill will be spoken of the soon-to-be departing speaker of the U.S. House, or of the president who visited this election-day disaster on his party. But the words and the vibes that came from the president’s post-election news conference suggest a long and difficult two years ahead. Said he right off the bat: “If the Republicans have ideas … I’m happy to consider some of those ideas.” If.

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Stuck in a Red State

November 4th, 2010
5:58 pm

“Nobody’s right, if everybody’s wrong.
Here we go… down in circles. Yep, this plane/nation is on course to crash.

Aquagirl

November 4th, 2010
6:00 pm

Jim, those proposed constitutional amendments don’t fall from the sky—they are put there by the REPUBLICAN General Assembly. Only 1 out of the 7 sponsors was a Democrat. Those “persistent ballot problems” are due to corrupt arrogant Republicans. But you’d never mention that, would you? Oh, there’s a problem here, golly gee, let’s not mention Republicans placed a deliberately misleading piece of crap on the ballot.

Democrats aren’t the only thing that’s toast in Georgia.

Wilma

November 4th, 2010
6:08 pm

I am a conservative republican and think the first amendment on the ballot was fundementally dishonest. No reasonable person had any idea of what they were voting for based on the language of the ballot. I don’t quite know enough to say “corrupt” but something is definitely wrong here.
Who was really behind #1?

Dumb libs

November 4th, 2010
6:38 pm

“Democrats are toast in Georgia”

DemocRATS are toast EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!

Dumb libs

November 4th, 2010
6:39 pm

“Yep, this plane/nation is on course to crash.”

You can think Obama for that.

TruthBe

November 4th, 2010
6:45 pm

Downtown Atlanta at City Hall needs some divesity. Atlanta City Government has too many blacks working their and not enough Whites. Most of the City’s department heads are black. Remember when the black democrats said”Don’t let Whitey win, vote for Reed”. Blacks are the most racist people in America. Blacks vote for their own skin color. The “Black Vote” voted for Obama 97%. Just think if Whites voted this way. You people in the corrupt mainstreet media would be crying racism.

Hurst

November 4th, 2010
6:47 pm

All these years Jim moaned about how Georgia was a one-party system way back when. Now Georgia’s a virtual one-party system once again, but Jim is doing victory laps. Gee, I wonder why.

And back when the Democratic Party dominated the state, anybody with any knowledge of history knows that the party back then is is like the Republican Party of today, a party of overwhelmingly bitter, white males who didn’t care about anyone else.

Regarding the amendments, they’re worded like they are for a reason. It’s how the powerful in this state stay in power. If the language was in fact “plain, simple and honest with no intent to influence outcome,” the people might finally realize that the Republican Party is only in it for themselves and doesn’t give a damn about the state. Of course Jim knows this.

Once upon a time, calling your workplace “your place of enslavement” was a mildly funny joke. Now, it’s reality in Georgia.

Jim Wooten does not have an ounce of integrity.

Michael

November 4th, 2010
7:08 pm

Aquagirl, I certainly appreciate your passion, and I suspect we’re on the same side, politically. However, I must say that on the issue of Amendment 1, we need to be a little more fair. You are correct that one of the seven sponsors (specifically, 1 of the 6 House sponsors) was a Democrat. The others were all Republican. However, if you look at House Vote 675 (for HR 178, which became Amendment 1), only 12 Representatives voted against the resolution. Of those 12 nay votes, I only saw less than a handful of Democrats. I was actually very surprised that some of my Democrat friends in the House that I know personally voted in favor of this resolution, especially given the speeches I’ve heard them give, and the discussions we’ve privately had over many years.

I don’t support Amendment 1, and I voted against it, and I’m surprised to find the party of the “free market” mentality (Republicans claim to be, at least) to be so anti-competition. I only write this in the spirit of admitting that Democrats can be extraordinarily disappointing, too.

I will also say that I have corresponded with Jim since the 2004 marriage amendment fight, and I have always found him to be a gentleman, and to have a kind heart, even when we disagree on fundamental issues. I sometimes find it strange that as a professional gay activist who works most days against many of the things that Jim supports, could enjoy such a relationship. (To be fair, Jim does support many things that are important to all of us.) As it turns out, you can like the man and find a way to discuss differences of opinion politely, without resorting to hurtful words and insults and it often yields better understanding and acceptance. (I’m not accusing you of that, Aquagirl. I’m merely pointing out that Jim, Cynthia and Jay’s blogs all have horrible comments left on them… some so offensive I want to punch the screen of my computer.)

I sincerely wish we could all find a way to use intelligence, patience, and grace to overcome our differences, and work together for a better future.

Aquagirl

November 4th, 2010
7:10 pm

Diversity for Deal would be including a token honest person.

Wilma, you’re the typical Republican apologist. Your conservative Republicans control the Georgia General Assembly. I’m sure you and Jim will blame Democrats, the Trilateral Commission, or everyone else on earth rather than look at your own party.

saywhat

November 4th, 2010
7:10 pm

That first amendment language was criminal in that it so hid the intent of the law. It remoinds me of the names the Gingrich-era Republican Congress gave to their bills. Now that it has passed, it will do immense harm to the people of this state who are unfortunate enough to get caught in it. It may even have the unintended consequence of preventing people from moving to Georgia for work for fear of taking a job here, then being blackballed from their industry if they ever want to change companies.Because of this amendment, I will never take a job in Georgia now if it has a non-compete clause in the contract. What intelligent person would?

Dr. Stan (The Black One)

November 4th, 2010
7:11 pm

Maxwell and I just attended a political function sponsored by Governor-elect Nathan Deal’s campaign. He was supposed to ride home with us but we can’t find him anywhere…Can anyone out there help us.

I guess he caught Marta.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F_G2zp-opg

Aquagirl

November 4th, 2010
7:32 pm

Michael, you can’t have a discussion with someone who completely denies reality. When Jim lapses into the passive voice talking about Amendment 1, it’s like listening to a child insisting aliens stole the cookies out of the jar.

Actually I don’t always assume a “yes” vote means a Representative actually supports certain legislation, or a “no” means they oppose it. People have to pick their battles, and sometimes vote a certain way for procedural reasons. However, there is no denying the Republicans control the General Assembly and the Executive branch. They are in the drivers seat, plain and simple.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

November 4th, 2010
7:39 pm

Good evening all. Gov. Deal’s second decisions – appointments need the same diversity consideration cited by our host.

I think I voted for a Southeast Georgian in the gubernatorial primary, he just did not get the nomination. Like the lottery ads say, you can’t win if you don’t play. And as Jim aptly notes elsewhere, one of the parties has a severely injured, i.e., unelectable statewide, brand in Georgia. On behalf of the republican party, we welcome conservatives of all stripes, from libertarians to tea partiers.

I forecast Justice Nahmias will get more than 90% of the vote in the runoff, now that people are paying attention.

Who writes the ballot initiatives? My default is to vote against everything, unless it repeals old laws I know I don’t like. Or unless it abolishes government functions.

I fear Chauncey is so enamored of his own studies of European statist governance theory that he would not recognize an idea if it hit him across the face. Think Paul Ryan proved that at at meeting last year.

Dumb libs

November 4th, 2010
7:46 pm

“you’re the typical Republican apologist. Your conservative Republicans control the Georgia General Assembly.”

What’s a Republican apologist? Is that like Obama going around apologizing for everything?

Dumb libs

November 4th, 2010
7:48 pm

When the dollar tanks, which it will thanks to Obozo, Georgia will be just fine because of the gold dome. Dahlonega will also be the next booming area. 49ers ain’t got nothing on Georgia!

Aquagirl

November 4th, 2010
7:53 pm

@ Dumb, no—Is English your first language? There is a difference between offering partisan defense and saying “sorry.”

And you think libs are dumb? LOL!

Wooten

November 4th, 2010
8:02 pm

It’s good to see Wooten so happy again. The GOP deserves props for their sweeping victory, (even though Christine O’donnell lost).

As long as there is job growth….wait, didn’t unemployment claims soar this week? Hell, the house has been a repudlickan majority only two days and already jobs are being lost.

Blame this on Bush? Yeah! That’s what the new House majority will say: “It’s bush’s fault”

bwa There is no pundit as adept at the devasting satiric point blank salvo as moi, now, is there?

J

November 4th, 2010
8:35 pm

Jim you poor old fogie. Time to retire dude.

what is a conservative black?

Please tell me where the country Hispanic is? I have never heard of it. :)

FYI this GA we are talking about there is no place in the governor’s mansion for a Jindal or a haley.

Take your meds and try another column.

Del

November 4th, 2010
8:51 pm

The Democrats were taken over by the hard-left a long time ago. Good riddance to them everywhere.

EP

November 4th, 2010
8:55 pm

I don’t care who is in power as long as they figure out a way to bring jobs to GA. No jobs mean no money for those who provide services to others. Tax cuts DO NOT help those with no job!

uno

November 4th, 2010
8:55 pm

Conservatives were in charge of this state’s direction for the past eight years. Can’t wait for more of the same incompetence, scandal and moral turpitude.

Chris

November 4th, 2010
9:18 pm

The choice of bringing back Barnes or giving Deal a shot way really no choice at all. Barnes was a disaster plain and simple. In fact, Barnes was so bad that his term as governor lead to the election of the first Republican governor in the state of Georgia since 1872! How bad does a politician have to be to accomplish that? Well, Roy taught Georgians what it took…

Dr. Pangloss

November 4th, 2010
9:52 pm

Well, yes, Georgia is not a Democratic state.

Georgia is also 9th in the nation when it comes to toothless inhabitants.

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/hea_ora_hea_los_of_nat_tee-health-oral-loss-natural-teeth

middle class

November 4th, 2010
9:53 pm

Yippee! Finally, the middle class will get our feet back on the ground.
All my unemployed friends will get jobs now I have confidence.

Nathan Deal

November 4th, 2010
9:57 pm

I wanted to give a thank you to all that voted for me and I can not wait until Janurary. Now I can sell the house no problem and I am so excited about getting to draw maps. I will be in the black in no time and once you all have solved my problems; I promise to return the favor, as long as you never bring up Wilder Outdoors again. Therefore you all must wait until 2014, sorry.

Love and no debt,
Nathan Deal

Glenn

November 4th, 2010
10:36 pm

Hi to our host and his host.

A really gracious post, Jim. Thanks. One thing that popped out at me, Ragnar already has addressed: Justice Nahmias without question will prevail. Yet I want to ponder your assertion that “we have no civic duty to vote in ignorance.”. As aphorisms go, especially those regarding public life, that’s a good one, but disturbing. We all know the drill. The collective can inform but not indoctrinate, and to the extent that it informs, well, it must let the chips fall where they may. What I mean is that these idiotic muscle-movements of an already beheaded reptile probably indicate that the laborious system meant preeminently to cultivate voters is instead breeding unthinking reflex-actions. It’s scariest to consider the phenomenon as a continuum, on a sliding scale of idiocy, running from the cold-blooded to the hot-blooded–which takes in all our politicians, at various points.

Second, You’re too kind to Speaker Lame Pelosi.

Finally, I love your first bullet-point. We used to whisper to one another that such political correctness was “demographic flower arranging”. Bouquet, good. Rainbow bouquet, bad. Bouquet suiting the occasion, best. All-white bouquet unchanging, worst of all.

Cutty

November 4th, 2010
10:45 pm

Wooten is a donkey’s cousin, period.

Glenn

November 4th, 2010
10:55 pm

Governor-Elect Deal,

Now that you are, even as we speak, listening to offers from the big boys, would you please see fit to make good on my longstanding bill for my company’s sheetrock work done in good faith?

P.S. Could you possibly assist me in getting my 2002 White, six-wheel, Ford F-250 Diesel out of your impounding yard? I own a landscaping company, with six employees, including my wife Esperanza, who is our bookkeper, and we really need the truck back. (The trailer and contents too.)

Maybe you know, Bro’, if you want “job creation” the first thing you DON’T do is take people’s cars away. I mean, unless it pays. For you, Mr. Bible Study teacher.

Glenn

November 4th, 2010
11:00 pm

Hope he is and that I am too, Cutty, provided which cousins.

The Ghost of Lester Maddox

November 4th, 2010
11:31 pm

I hope that competent lawyers and judges will get off their a$$ and tell their friends and neighbors to vote for Nahmias. We better enjoy having his type on our high court while we can, in my opinion, a talent like his will be headed for even higher judicial service in time.

The Ghost of Lester Maddox

November 4th, 2010
11:36 pm

Former Congressman Ed Jenkins should be considered a modern day prophet. He saw all of this coming for the Dems some years back. He was constantly passed over for leadership positions in the National Dem Party because he was not liberal enough for those union-controlled ultra liberal types. He predicted they would run off all moderates and forever lose their grip on the south. Georgia’s Jim Marshall, and Carolina’s Spratt, are only the most recent examples of how a white male cannot be a democrat in the south – regardless of how moderate they try to be back home.

John Barrow will get his once re-districting is done, probably Bishop, too.

Ol’ Ed Jenkins read the tea leaves years ago, retired, and went fishing.

captguitarman

November 4th, 2010
11:47 pm

Careful there Jimbo — only a short 24 months months ago the no one knew how the Republican party would ever recover with only old, white, male southerners in its ranks. You said that short of corruption or arrogance, the Dems are toast in Georgia. Maybe you weren’t paying attention, but the new Gov resigned from Congress just in the nick of time before certain censure for unethical activities related to his car auction business, and since leaving there, he carefully controlled and withheld information that would have been very pertinent to the primary election run off. Corruption is not exactly and alien concept to the top Republican now in power. As for arrogance, not long ago a guy named Richardson and all his pals and cronies under the Dome were the poster boys for arrogance. I recall that he was a Republican. His career ended with the famous words, don’t come any closer, or I’ll shoot. So as a Handel Republican, I am disappointed that Georgia lost its chance for a breath of fresh air, but I am hopeful that the Shady Deal will swear off his past means and methods and that the all the Republicans under the Dome who supported him, and the lobbyists who prayed for his win over Handel, will remember the corrupt arrogance of Richardson, and how the mighty have fallen, and will begin dealing with the critical issues facing this state — issues left untended for way too long by What, Me Worry? Sonny Perdue. Now is is the time for Republican humilty, hard work, and action, and a lot less talk. If you don’t think that the voters wont’ turn this around 180 degrees again in 24 months, if they have to, you have not been paying attention.

dmcsga

November 4th, 2010
11:48 pm

Democrats are toast in GA???? No American Citizens are toast in this whole country! You might as well compare America to Enron, All the politicians are the executive teams for Enron and us citizens are the employees that are about to get the shaft, while the “executives” continue to prosper from our labor, our sacrifices and our pain! Also spare me the witch hunt on illegal immigrants which I think is a smoke screen 11 million out of 300 million that earn about $7 per hour are the reason our country is in dismay?? I have a hard time to believe it, it just gives more ammo to up the budgets on security so the politicians can put their hand in the cookie jar. Health Care is an issue??? Right Insurance companies are making a killing, drug companies make more money than they have ever made, Oil companies are putting up RECORD profits but the gas prices have to stay at $3 a gallon because there is a shortage or they have to pay more for it? Really, I would think if the cost of operating goes up, the profits go down, obviously somebody is lying. Let’s look at BP Oil, they had the biggest disaster in history on their hands at the worst time in decades, they had to dish out 42 billion but yet they put 1.7 billion profits up in Q3?? Somebody is lying to us!

Dr. Stan (The Black One)

November 5th, 2010
4:30 am

Thank You.

Dear Dr. Stan, The Black One,

I am humbled by the honor the people of Kentucky have given to me. I am humbled by the support YOU have given to me over the course of this historic campaign.

The victory you and I won last night is truly extraordinary. We demonstrated the power of the message of Liberty, the message of the Tea Party, and the message of people who are fed up with Washington.

Kentucky voters spoke loudly and clearly. They did not mince words. They want us to help take their government back.

And that is exactly what I aim to do.

I hope you will stand with me as I go to Washington to fight for Liberty. I have needed you every step of the way in this race, and I will need you every step of the way in the U.S. Senate.

Once again, thank you for all you’ve done for our shared cause.

In Liberty,

Rand Paul, MD

Glenn

November 5th, 2010
6:59 am

I won’t lie down. Governor-elect he be MAJORY HINKY in the money-making department of the U.S. House. He’s not off the hook because he retired (notoriously at the last legally possible moment). Rather, his erstwhile colleagues of the (uniquely bipartisan) House Ethics Committee have the authority to remand Nathan Deal to a Grand Jury. But the tables turned his way. Maybe.

Lame duck.

Glenn

November 5th, 2010
7:29 am

May all our ophthalmologists see more clearly!

VietVet

November 5th, 2010
7:45 am

In the past I’ve hammered Jim when what he wrote was plainly false, so its only fair to give him props for his admission and apology for one of his misstatements. If Americans had the same fervor for truth as they did for “their” side our debates would be a lot less juvenile and a lot more productive. Inspired by Jim, I won’t make a comment about his concluding line, but in the interest of truth I will quote Obama’s full statement and let you decide whether he was implying Republicans don’t have ideas at all, or simply asking for concrete suggestions on how to improve health care. “Now if the Republicans have ideas for how to improve our health care system, if they want to suggest modifications that would deliver faster and more effective reform to a health care system that, you know, has been wildly expensive for too many families and businesses, and certainly for our federal government, I’m happy to consider some of those ideas.”

The Great and Powerful Community Organizer

November 5th, 2010
7:55 am

Americans are just too dumb to realize how smart me and Nancy are. After all, I was a Community Organizer, so I can run anything.

Waldo

November 5th, 2010
7:57 am

“no ill will be spoken of the soon-to-be departing speaker of the U.S. House” I agree, we should let her quietly mount her broom and fly back to San Fran.

My Vote Doesn't Count in Georgia

November 5th, 2010
8:35 am

My republican friends have complete control of this state. There is no doubt that legislatively, this is a conservative, republican RED state, and has been for the past 8 years. From this day forth, I do not want to hear any whining from my friends on the right about bad conditions in this state. These people (R’s) were elected to office on a platform to deliver results for their constituents (the State of Georgia). If they do not deliver, THEY DESERVE THE BLAME, not Washington.

beavis

November 5th, 2010
8:47 am

Aquagirl, stop being such a sore loser, what were you saying when the GOP made the same arguments that you are against the democrats…Oh wait I forgot, there are 2 sets of rules, one for democrats and set of rules for everybody else… hypocrite !

AmVet

November 5th, 2010
8:52 am

A competitive democracy? Toast in Georgia.

Gerrymander away, you Party First, Party Last, Party Always boys.

“Really, you don’t have to vote in a race when clueless.” And when you’re a non-Republican, right Jim?

With the ascension of Crooked Deal to the governor’s mansion, Georgia has rocketed up to number one on that coveted list of state laughingstocks.

You’re doing a heckuva job brownies…

Not Blind

November 5th, 2010
9:12 am

All we did is elect a group of people that will screw us in a different way from the last group. Democrats being ‘toast’ in Georgia results in situations like the current Gwinnett BOC debacle. Even though the stadium mess was in the news constantly before the last election the brilliant Gwinnett voters reelected all the BOC buffoons that are now exposed as crooks. If you have no way of keeping the politicians in check then they quickly get out of control. It may pain a smart conservative to have to vote for a Dem on occasion but it’s the only way.

misterbill

November 5th, 2010
9:19 am

Aquagirl-
you do not think well when out of water. Jump back into the hot water provided by Obama.

misterbill

November 5th, 2010
9:23 am

Jim–
“This and every appointment to come should include conservative women, conservative blacks, and conservatives of Korean, Indian, Vietnamese, Hispanic and other national origins. Koreans, by their example of hard work in difficult settings.”

And basketball teams should be forced to have short Asians, ban jumping by those with the good skil;ls. Good Lord man, how do you think America has gotten this deep in trouble. The policy of non-discrimination will end the republic.

Why could you not have said–people who possess the right skills from all walks of life??

You sound like an in depth liberal. Fix a discrimination that does not exist by forcing a multi-culturism that may fail.

I usually agree with you but this is libspeak!

AmVet

November 5th, 2010
9:41 am

“Barring unchecked arrogance or corruption among Republicans…”

Jim, you really do have an enormous amount of chutzpah.

We have as a guv-elect, one of the most corrupt members in the ENTIRE US Congress.

Now that takes some doing.

I’m sure you don’t even mean, even FURTHER arrogance or corruption.

What you must mean is arrogance and corruption that is SO far off the scale, that the most courageous of the fake conservatives will finally start to break away from the disastrously counterproductive and patently idiotic 11th Commandment from Saint Ronnie, right?

For you “forgetful” in the crowd: “Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican.”

The modern day GOP – consummate cowards…

Dr. Pangloss

November 5th, 2010
9:47 am

Dr. Pangloss

November 5th, 2010
9:48 am

Hillbilly Deluxe

November 5th, 2010
10:08 am

The Amendments to the Georgia Constitution have always been worded with the intent to deceive. That’s nothing new. That’s why if you aren’t 100% sure, just say no.

Lawrence

November 5th, 2010
10:47 am

It is impossible to argue with a wounded Democrat. I no longer try.