Vote out Left, repeal health law

Thinking Right’s weekend free-for-all. Pick a topic:

● With health care, the Left has taken this country where the center-right majority ain’t. There will be a price to pay on Election Day in November and in 2012. Then repeal.

● With or without Georgia Attorney General Thurbert Baker, a candidate for governor, the state should join states in challenging the just-passed mandate that people be forced to buy health insurance. The feds’ constitutional authority to regulate interstate commerce does not extend to forcing individuals to buy specific products, state AGs contend.

● Yes, ethics reform in Georgia is vital. But it does feel kind of silly to be freaking out over who buys a politician lunch when the dishonesties inherent in the just-passed health care bill — the phony numbers, the tricks to hide taxes, the double-counting of higher Medicare taxes — are so profoundly dishonest that they’d be prosecutable in the private sector. There’s such a despicable double standard between what politicians do and what they rail about and prosecute in the private sector.

● When gender trumps, you get the results that we saw in the Georgia State Senate’s odd-duck pairing of State Sens. Renee Unterman (R-Buford) and Nan Orrock (D-Atlanta) to table SB 407, which would allow Georgians to cross state lines to buy health insurance — an essential element of any conservative health care reform. By shopping across state lines, consumers can buy the coverage they want, rather than the coverage mandated by politicians. House and Senate women argued that would be detrimental to their gender.

● Good grief, man, don’t be telling people that the 1.45 percent tax on hospital revenues that Gov. Sonny Perdue has proposed and that the Legislature is about to accept won’t be added to the pills and bills of paying patients. The tax — politicians call it a fee — “has to come through the efficiencies of the hospitals” and “cannot be passed on to patients,” said the good conservative Republican, state Rep. Jimmy Pruett of Eastman. Yes and those hidden $20 billion in taxes on medical equipment contained in the Washington health care bill are gonna be eaten by goblins before they get passed through to the rest of us.

● The Market Bulletin published by the state Department of Agriculture for 93 years is a Georgia treasure. Though its content does occasionally promote the boss, it’s largely nonpolitical. Cost to produce is $774,000 annually. It goes twice monthly to 130,000 people who request it. Cost-cutting conservatives are proposing a $10 subscription charge, which is expected to cut circulation in half. I’d pay the $10 and can’t in good conscience argue against it. It’s a legitimate user fee. But I’d rather pay $20 and have it sent free to those whose income is less than $35,000 per year.

● James Kau, a real estate professor at UGA’s Terry College of Business, makes a compelling argument in last Sunday’s AJC that government bailouts “reward negative outcomes and mediocre choices” in home buying and lead to “further mortgage defaults and cries for more bailouts. Bailouts are nothing more than a politically-based catastrophic solution to a market correction.” Man, we’ve got to make this guy’s teachings mandatory. He’s a jewel.

● Mandate, too, that students and aspiring politicians read the AJC guest commentary Thursday by another distinguished professor, Scott Beaulier of Mercer University in Macon, entitled “Taxing and spending is going from bad to worse.” He makes marvelous points: Businesses and therefore jobs flee high-tax states for lower ones. Politicians should make “significant cuts in the size and scope of government in Georgia.” And, “spending rules [should be] adopted to prevent future crises from developing.” Now if we can just get some of those professors in the social sciences schooled by this Distinguished Professor of Capitalism.

● AJC.com headline: “Can schools stop obesity?” Sure, in the less than 10 percent of a child’s day that they have, schools can stop obesity, be a daddy, teach social skills, stop bullying, build self-esteem and train them to be little greenies and peaceniks. And, oh yes, teach them to read and write.

291 comments Add your comment

Justin Kase

March 25th, 2010
7:59 pm

This plate you’re serving has too much on it for this weekend. Do you have a senior’s menu?

REPUBLICANS ARE SORRY

March 25th, 2010
8:06 pm

Newsflash*** There was an election Nov 5, 2008. In a LANDSLIDE Americans voted for Barack Hussein Obama and democrat supermajorities in Congress. Obama and the democrats CAMPAIGNED on health care reform. They are doing what the MAJORITY voted for. You and your party are SORE LOSERS and we will have to thump you EVEN HARDER in the next election for behaving like spoiled children. How dare YOU cause the collapse of the US economy, turn huge surpluses Clinton left you into massive deficits, leave Obama 2 wars and a plate full of sh*t and then have the NERVE to criticize ANYTHING he does. After all these years of FAILED republican policies, America would have voted for Satan before another republican. We will be there in November, just as we were in 2008, to support OUR PResident…Barack Hussein Obama. YES WE CAN!!!!! YES WE CAN !!!!!! YES WE DID !!!!! YES WE WILL DO ALOT MORE !!!!!!!!!!!!
FIRED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! READY TO GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

REPUBLICANS ARE SORRY

March 25th, 2010
8:08 pm

Unlike republicans and Bush, Obama will keep his promises. FIRED UP !!!!!!READY TO GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Justin Kase

March 25th, 2010
8:09 pm

Who left the door open?

REPUBLICANS ARE SORRY

March 25th, 2010
8:11 pm

Remember that “contract with America” ? What happened to those term limits you all were so for? That’s right, another lie. How about the state flag Sonny promised the KKK Georgians he would let them vote on? That’s right another lie. How about Bush saying he would not be “nation building” or policing the world? That’s right another lie? How about republicans claiming death panels for granny? That’s right another lie. I could go on for page after page. FIRED UP!!!!!! READY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

StJ

March 25th, 2010
8:12 pm

“America would have voted for Satan before another republican.”

You’re exactly right on that one.

REPUBLICANS ARE SORRY

March 25th, 2010
8:13 pm

You said Bush “kept us safe” Did you forget about a little thing called 911? That’s right another lie.
Rudy Guilianni the freaking republican MAYOR of NYC said “We were not attacked under Bush”
Even he forgot about 911? That’s right another lie
FIRED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! READY TO GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

REPUBLICANS ARE SORRY

March 25th, 2010
8:16 pm

Remember Max Cleland? Served our nation, lost his limbs? Seems draft dodging Chambliss aligned him with Osama bin Laden in his commercials. That’s right another lie.
How low of a draft dodging Cheney, Bush and Chambliss to attack the patriotism of war heroes to get elected. That’s right another lie.
FIRED UP!!!!!! READY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

REPUBLICANS ARE SORRY

March 25th, 2010
8:17 pm

By the way….that “hopey changey ” is working out good for us, Wooten! Can’t wait for the tax cuts Bush gave you to EXPIRE !
FIRED UP !!!!!!!!!!!!! READY TO GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Justin Kase

March 25th, 2010
8:18 pm

RAS

Who exactly are you debating with?

REPUBLICANS ARE SORRY

March 25th, 2010
8:19 pm

Can the democrats expand their majorities in November?
YES WE CAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES WE CAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You thought you had Obama didn’t you Wooten? Your boys thought it would be his
Waterloo” Thought you could “break him” Too bad, keep crying in your beer.
FIRED UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! READY TO GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

REPUBLICANS ARE SORRY

March 25th, 2010
8:21 pm

There is no debate. I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed party ! Just letting the wingnuts know we will be out IN FORCE the next election to support OUR PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA ! YES WE WILL!!!!!

REPUBLICANS ARE SORRY

March 25th, 2010
8:25 pm

Hey Wooten,

How much of that deficit belongs to Reagan and Bushes? You guessed it 90 %. Those 3 Presidents gave us 90 % of the trillions in debt due to their cut taxes for wealthy and increase spending while playing war games around the world. Your failed ideology of trickling on America has been disproven by REALITY. The world economy has buckled under republican policies of deregulation and wreckless fiscal policy. President Obama WIL finish cleaning up YOUR MESSES, just like Clinton did….even with your party “leaders” behaving like spoiled children. That’s Ok. America will spank them and send them to bed w/o supper come November. YES WE CAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!YES WE WILL!!!!!!!!!!

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 25th, 2010
8:26 pm

Good evening all. I agree with our host’s political analysis of the likely consequences of Obamacare, and with the propriety of challenging the Constitutionality of the law. No reason to gild the lily.

I define “ethics reform” as reining in nonmilitary spending.

One gets the impression, for this and other reasons, that Ms. Unterman is not the sharpest tack in the drawer. Similarly, Ms. Orrock is a democrat.

RINOs never refer to their tax increases by that name. Not that the leftists are honest about their destructive legislation. The entire difference is one of scale.

I admit my lack of acquaintance with the Market Bulletin. Why is it not online? Cut the mailing expense, which is presumably significant.

Kau’s well written explanation develops an ancient economics principle – if you want more of something, compel taxpayers to subsidize it. Beaulier sounds like my sort of guy too.

How can a school stop obesity? Narrow entrances.

REPUBLICANS ARE SORRY

March 25th, 2010
8:26 pm

Imagine how much more good things Obama could do for America without the party of hell no in the way.
YES WE CAN !!!!!

Justin Kase

March 25th, 2010
8:28 pm

RAS

Don’t doubt your sincerity, but easy on the sauce. Your beginning to rant.

John Boehner

March 25th, 2010
8:28 pm

Can you say Jim Wooten and I aren’t seething with rage at a brotha in the Whitehouse outperforming every President in the last century? HELL NO YOU CAN’T !!!

your worst nightmare

March 25th, 2010
8:30 pm

An even larger mobilization of grass roots supporters organized by “the community organizer” ?
aka President Obama. :)

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 25th, 2010
8:31 pm

Hey Sorry, read any good bumper stickers lately?

former republican

March 25th, 2010
8:32 pm

After what I have seen since the election of Obama, I could never again vote for that party.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 25th, 2010
8:32 pm

We would agree that the Brotha’s only competition was Jimmy Carter.

freedom lovin georgian

March 25th, 2010
8:34 pm

i dont want no soshulist health inshurance, who needs teeth

disgusted with haters

March 25th, 2010
8:36 pm

Why do people have a problem accepting election results? If you didn’t want health care, you should have voted republican. If you did vote republican, more people voted democrat. Get over it.

Oxymoron

March 25th, 2010
8:37 pm

“Common sense conservatism” Ha ha ha ha ha. Almost as laughable as “compassionate conservatism”

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 25th, 2010
8:40 pm

On behalf of the 10% of the American population now unemployed due to Chauncey’s “stimulus,” thanks a lot.

Oxymoron

March 25th, 2010
8:40 pm

Why has there never been a balanced budget when a republican was in the Whitehouse?
Republicans like to claim they balanced the budget when Clinton was President. Clinton vetoed their tax cuts for wealthy…thus balancing the budget. Republicans keep telling the lie that cutting taxes raises revenues yet they ALWAYS leave a deficit behind.

Oxymoron

March 25th, 2010
8:44 pm

Thank Bush and republicans for the job losses. Two unfunded 2 trillion dollar wars, a medicare partd (450 billion) unfunded combined with deregulation of banks and BINGO…..economy crashes.
We can’t make that mistake again. America has learned a very costly lesson. Don’ believe the lies Wooten and company are peddling. We are still paying the price for their “common sense, compassionate conservatism” If they had have had any more “common sense” or “compassion” we would all be unemployed and our economy would have TOTALLY collapsed, as opposed to just a depression.

Justin Kase

March 25th, 2010
8:48 pm

First of all Independents like me, and I didn’t vote for Obama for my own personal reasons, usually determine the outcome of most elections. Very close on the Dems and Rep in their numbers so it is winning the Independent vote that swings most elections. While I’m for healthcare reform, the “how we are paying for it has me concerned. The last couple of days I have read articles where businesses/companies are thinking of changing their health plans to eliminate prescription drugs for retirees. Since I just retire last year this is of great concern to me.

Bill

March 25th, 2010
9:12 pm

Jim, good to see that you have your usual patisian “stuff” going on. It sure would be good to have someone on your side with a reasoned point-of-view instead of this hate filled “stuff” you like to share. I guess that really is asking too much!! Again, I guess you are a UGA grad (we seem to recognize each other!!).

Regards,

Drifter

March 25th, 2010
9:44 pm

The health care reform will never be repealed and unless Republicans start sounding like rational human beings very soon, they won’t make up much ground in November. Honestly, I haven’t voted for a Democrat in at least 10 years and I’m not likely to in the near future, but I’ll stay at home before I waste a vote on a lunatic.

retiredds

March 25th, 2010
10:10 pm

Jim, how about this one for your weekend free-for-all from Paul Krugman:

David Frum* has been fired by the American Enterprise Institute; one has to assume that this is a response to his outspokenness about the Republican failure on health reform.

In discussing the Frum firing, Bruce Bartlett asserts that AEI has muzzled its health-care experts, because the truth is that they agree with a lot of what Obama is proposing. I find this quite believable; back in 2003 Stuart Butler of the Heritage Foundation, which is supposedly harder-right than AEI, proposed a health care reform consisting of … drumroll … an individual mandate coupled with subsidies to make insurance affordable. In short, Obamacare.

Need I say more. Your Republican party is sinking. Those who shout the loudest seem to be many but generally are the few.

retiredds

March 25th, 2010
10:16 pm

Jim, while you’re at it, will you pony up your own $$$$ to fund Sonny’s fantasy of winning a suit over health care. I have written him to tell him I don’t want ANY, ZERO, of my tax dollars today or in the future to pay for the frivolous litigation (something Repubs accused Dems of doing). He should take the dollars and invest them in GA education instead of frittering (there’s another word that starts with the letter p that should be used here) away our tax dollars.

Evelyn

March 25th, 2010
10:18 pm

Jim, maybe you can explain why Georgia, which has one of the worst uninsured rates in the nation, has never set up a state sponsored high risk pool to help its residents who are deemed “uninsurable” by insurance companies (when every state bordering Georgia has managed to do so) ? Recent calls to action from Georgian politicians and their operatives to form “regional high risk pools” seems to be too little, too late. How many Georgians have died due to its failure to establish high risk pool? How many more will, as Georgia continues to drag its heels, during this lawsuit?

retiredds

March 25th, 2010
10:31 pm

Jim, your Republican friends just can’t seem to get it done regarding ethics reform. The template is TN and MD. Anything less than that is a zero. Sorry the new leadership team gets an F on ethics reform.

jmiles

March 25th, 2010
10:35 pm

I always read and am frequenly angered by your comments about education, but your final paragraph tonight captures the most serious thing wrong with American schools-the many destructive aspects of current American culture. The only institutions that attempt to cure this culture and teach a responsible life are schools. Unfortunately, only the schools are held resonsible for the many failures of society.

retiredds

March 25th, 2010
10:42 pm

Oh, and Jim, I hope you have a good sleep over this one. Stock market at the low in March of 2009 was around 6626. Obama and his financial team have done such a poor job that it closed today at 10,841.21 an increase of 63.6 percent. Must be his economic policies are not working, eh. It won’t be long until the employment picture improves either.

We won't be fooled again

March 25th, 2010
10:48 pm

Most of America has awakened to the failure of republicans and the “conservative” movement.
Welfare for Wall Street,big banks, insurance companies and the rest of the wealthy has produced NOTHING for the American people but misery. They used their tax cuts to invest in China and to sell out America. We should never again give tax cuts to wealthy unless they invest in good jobs for Americans. If not, sock i to them. They have had a fre ride at our expense long enough.

We won't be fooled again

March 25th, 2010
11:01 pm

it and free…typos not stupidity

Ayn Rand was right

March 25th, 2010
11:12 pm

Anyone else wondering if RAS voted for Obama as many times as he/she posted on this blog???

retiredds

March 25th, 2010
11:15 pm

Jim, this just in from one of the major news organizations:

“Republicans, reacting somberly, said they would carry their opposition to the bill into the fall campaign, in an effort to win back majorities in Congress and repeal the measure”.

The somberly reaction to the House of Representative passing health care legislation is in keeping with the Repubs “just say no” and obstruction to this historic bill. But what I like most is that fact that the Repubs will be spending so much energy between now and November on their desire to repeal (the replace part is a fiction they have no intention on doing) the health care legislation. By then the American people (excepting the fringies) will have moved way beyond them (except in their closely held “red” states of the South). The Dems and the President will have passes substantive financial reform and be working on passing a reasonable immigration bill. Also by that time the economic recovery will be more on its way with job creation. The Repubs will remain stuck between here and the last election which they lost handily. Too bad Jim that your team is still on the wrong side of history. Oh, well they had their chances.

Rita

March 25th, 2010
11:20 pm

“With health care, the Left has taken this country where the center-right majority ain’t. There will be a price to pay on Election Day in November and in 2012. Then repeal.”

Let’s do the math for November. Republicans would have to pick up 19 seats in the Senate and over 100 seats in the House to achieve super-majorities. That is not going to happen in the most optimistic of scenarios. If they do not have veto-proof majorities, the repeal bill would have to be signed by (wait for it) President Obama. By 2012, enough Americans will have been receiving benefits that they won’t want to relinquish them. Passage of health care reform was always the Republicans’ worst nightmare because they know their opposition to it will keep them out of power for at least a generation, just like after the passage of Social security and Medicare.

vince neil

March 25th, 2010
11:20 pm

two things….
1. To all the lefties on this post, please name the city, county, state, (province), or country run with the principles you espouse which is not AT BEST an example of mediocrity?????………….. (i hear crickets chirping).
2. You all sound like douchebags who apparently do not have any knowledge of history…..the tide will turn and you will reap the folly of the seeds sown by the lowering of standard set by your bunch of miscreant leaders……..I’m just sayin…..

Dave

March 25th, 2010
11:32 pm

REPUBLICANS ARE SORRY -90% of the debt, where did you get that? I’m pretty sure you pull it out of your butt. Obama in one year has created more debt that Bush did in 8 years. Now that’s a fact, if you want to bother to actually look it up. At what point do you guys expect Obama to be responsible for the situation were in? Never I guess, as long as you think “it’s Bushs fault.”

Rita

March 25th, 2010
11:36 pm

So calling strangers “douchebags” is what passes for intellectual discourse on the right. Thank you for clarifying.

vince neil

March 25th, 2010
11:45 pm

i said you sound LIKE a douchebag…I didn’t call anyone a douchebag…..and please answer the question posed…….I have posted that same query on dozens of blogs and have yet to have a cogent answer….

retiredds

March 25th, 2010
11:46 pm

Jim and vince, care to comment on this:

GOP Senator Bob Corker was emphatic on Wednesday that Republicans missed a big opportunity to influence what is perhaps the most ambitious financial reform bill to pass through the Senate since the Great Depression.

Failing to reach a bipartisan deal in committee was “a very large strategic mistake,” the Tennessee senator told reporters after his speech before a U.S. Chamber of Commerce summit in Washington. Declining to offer amendments, and then passing the bill out of committee along party lines, “talks about how dysfunctional, how dysfunctional we have been as a committee and the Senate has been in addressing this issue,” Corker said in reference to financial reform.

When one of your own Republicans calling his own party “dysfunctional” says it all. The train has left the station and the Republicans are still waiting on the platform.

HS Teacher

March 25th, 2010
11:54 pm

I’d love to get the Farmer’s Market Bulletin by email. You can renew by email, but it took me 4 weeks to get it done. Must not check email ofter because I missed 2 issues.

vince neil

March 25th, 2010
11:55 pm

oooh that settles it…we were wrong…..and who said I am a republican anyway…..

concerned georgian

March 26th, 2010
12:09 am

I THINK THE REAL OFFENDERS IN THIS STATE ARE NEWT G. AND SONNY P. WHY DON’T WE IMPEACH SONNY P.? WHY DON’T THEY FOCUS MORE ON THE REAL ISSUES WE HAVE HERE IN GEORGIA LIKE A BANKRUPT STATE THAT IS HAVING TO FIRE SCHOOL TEACHERS AND CLOSE DOWN SCHOOLS. WE DON’T NEED THESE STUPID IDIOTS RUNNING OUR STATE. IT SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE TRYING TO ROUND UP ALL THE PEOPLE IN TOWNS WITH GUNS LIKE IN THE O-KAY CORRAL DAYS TO HAVE A GOOD OLE SHOOT OUT WITH THE DEMS. ARE THESE PEOPLE FROM ANOTHER PLANET OR WHAT? THERE ARE SO MANY ISSUES HERE IN GEORGIA THAT NEED IMMED ATTENTION. ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE BUT GETTING BACK AT THE DEMS FOR PASSING A HEALTH PLAN BILL THAT WILL HELP MOST AMERICAN PEOPLE. WHY DON’T YOU ALL WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE HEALTHCARE? YOU ALL HAVE THE BEST INSURANCE THERE IS TO HAVE. FEDERAL EMPLOYEES HAVE EXCELLENT INSURANCE. THIS FIGHT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY, POWER AND COLOR. YOU ALL ARE IGNORANT PEOPLE. I HOPE THE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE NOT TAKING NOTES OF SUCH BAD BEHAVIOR AND I CAN’T WAIT UNTIL IT’S TIME TO VOTE FOR OUR NEW GOVERNOR. MOST OF US USE TO LIKE SONNY P. BUT, HE HAS REALLY SHOWN HIS TRUE COLORS LATELY.

BitterEXdemocrackkk

March 26th, 2010
5:31 am

Strive to be smarter than the ORIGINAL ‘party’ of SLAVERY wants you to BE !

Mid-South Philosopher

March 26th, 2010
5:50 am

Good morning Jim,

No body really wants the health insurance system in the United States NOT to be reformed. It has long treated the American people (including the wealthy) shabbily!

That being said, the way in which the Socialist party (aka: former Democratic party) rammed through the reform legislation with a “nanny state” mentality will result in their massive defeat come November. Following that, I just hope that, when the Republicans repeal “Obamacare”, I hope they will offer something with more teeth than just “buying insurance across state lines.”

The mentality of most of our politicians is equivalent to the combined intelligence of a colony of mentally impaired picnic ants!

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
6:29 am

“Obama and the democrats CAMPAIGNED on health care reform. They are doing what the MAJORITY voted for.”

They wanted lower premiums. This bill won’t lower premiums. Are to you to stu-stu-stupid to understand that?

GBO

March 26th, 2010
6:46 am

I’m an Independent. What most “centrists” are sick of are wingnuts on both sides of the aisle. As someone said previously, it was the Independents (not me though) that helped vote in Obama and the Dems on his coattails. If the Liberal Dems think all of those votes still support them and their Socialist agenda, they are sadly misguided. The vote gave the Dems the right to put forth their policies, not strong arm and stuff them down everyone’s throats with an arrogance that has not been seen in decades. Did the Republicans screw up, no question…and that is why I am not a Republican. Have the current group of Republicans present any real ideas, nope. But unlike most of the blind Obama followers on the blogs here, I’ve seen the healthcare systems in the UK. If the girl with maybe 14 teeth in the drive thru at Mcd’s is the future of healthcare here, and it is if the Dems keep making some pay for all and others not pay at all, then it gets scary. You don’t know what you just voted for…I do.

One Voice

March 26th, 2010
7:04 am

Jim: Once again you’re completely divorced from reality. Chances of repealing health care legislation are somewhere between zero and zero. There’s not a chance in hell that Republicans win 2/3 majorities in congress. And the way it looks right now, with the thugery and racism on the right and the majority of the country pleased about the reform (or thinking it didn’t go far enough), your guys might not come away with any net gains. And Coburn’s block of unemployment benefits is more evidence of how out of step the right is with middle class Americans.

Baker seems to be the only sensible politician in the state today. He chose not to bring a lawsuit that would cost millions and would have no chance of winning. None. Seems like a logical (not partisan choice to me).

And a “distinguished” professor from Mercer? Sorry, I’ll stick with the advice of Nobel prize winners and professors from credible institutions who advocate small cuts while finding ways to increase revenues. What your guy suggests is exactly what sent us into the Great Depression. Seems like some history classes should be mandatory for him (and a little more higher ed for you).

GBO

March 26th, 2010
7:07 am

@ Concerned Georgian

First, turn off your caps, we aren’t “deaf” hear. Second, the government does not pay for anything, it is taken from taxpayers (like me…what about you). I am sick and tired of a whole bunch of people thinking the government pays or withholds funds. they distribute funds. There are a bunch of people that want everything, but want everyone else (the vaguely described “rich”) to pay for it for them. I’m sorry “Concerned Georgian” but you are only entitled to what you contribute…nothing more, nothing less.

Annette

March 26th, 2010
7:07 am

Dear “Republicans are sorry”:

Go suck an egg and brace yourself for the revolution that’s coming in November when decent people sweep the Democrat scum out of office.

Bill Campbell

March 26th, 2010
7:11 am

Obama didn’t win in a landslide. Obama won because he is black. People voted for change from Bush. Most people who voted for Obama wish they could take back their votes. The majority of the public doesn’t want a socialist state! The public was taken in by Obama’s lies. That is why there is so many people mad. Obama will be a one term President and already has become the worst President in American history! The present Democrats will be voted out of office because of their corruption! Nothing but facts.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
7:13 am

@ One Voice

According to every poll I’ve seen, the majority OPPOSED this version of reform…you need to wean yourself from MSNBC and that idiot Olberman. At least watch CNN or ABC once in awhile. Your numbers have NO basis in reality. As far as the “thugs” on the righ, the left did evey backroom slight of hand making promises and threats to everyone in the Dem party to barely slide this through…and for the record, I have studied history…and when the so called majority can refuse to contributte and still “vote” the right to take all away from the producers, then the country will fail. Marxism eventually destroys the will of the people to work.

vince neil

March 26th, 2010
7:14 am

I will repeat this for the democrats and “progressives”…..PLEASE LIST FOR ME THE CITIES, COUNTIES, STATES, OR COUNTRIES run by and governed under the ideals of your worldview which are not settings standards of at best MEDIOCRITY?

I can list 10 without even thinking hard located within 30 miles of metro ATL which should be shuttered….my question is truly asked with honest transparency….What is it you expect to accomplish and who do think will pay for it?

Road Scholar

March 26th, 2010
7:17 am

Good morning, Peadawg! Allright Peadawg, I’ll bite, how would you reduce premiums? What has been passed should slow the growth.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
7:19 am

and for the record, it was the Republicans that abolished slavery…not the Democrat…and it was Johnson (a Democrat) who led us into a war and deficits, when Bush was still an infant. Those types of problems started long before Bush or Clinton or Reagan.

Mitch

March 26th, 2010
7:23 am

Your comment, “Can schools stop obesity” is great. It is a summation of the major problem of the schools. The schools are asked to solve every major social, cultural, and economic problem which comes down the pike and then educate in their remaining time.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
7:30 am

@ Road Scholar

My question in return is how does adding free or nearly free coverage to 30 million Americans COST LESS? What was indicated was that insurance would be reined in, but what they failed to mention was the higher taxes (that are taken from workers) to pay for some or most of this. The Dems still backed away from tort reform even though neither it nor insurance reform really constitute a major portion of the annual health care costs.

I’ve seen the health system int he UK..very similaiar to the VA system in the US. What Obama also failed to address is in a system that alread works Drs and nurses excessively to meet demand, where are these new healthcare professionals going to come from. Unfortunately, you can’t go down to the GA Dept of Unemployment Security and say, “I need 16 doctors and 42 nurses”. It does not work like that. Rationing and long queques are a given in government healthcare. It is what it is.

Lt Col

March 26th, 2010
7:36 am

The only thing that is sorry is the blogger calling himself REPUBLICANS ARE SORRY. He or she has the worst case of motor mouth in the South!

jt

March 26th, 2010
7:43 am

“The feds’ constitutional authority to regulate interstate commerce does not extend to forcing individuals to buy specific products,”

Likewise Mr. Wooten, their authority does not extend to forcing individuals NOT to buy something also.
If the state of Georgia voted to allow medical mariuana , you would have no objection to the federalies stepping in to stop this. Under the commerce clause of course.

My correction to this assumption is welcome.

Buzz G

March 26th, 2010
7:45 am

Not only do we need to throw out liberal Democrats, we need to throw out liberal Republicans. We are in this mess somewhat because too many Republicans were having too much fun acting too much like Democrats.

Kevin O'Mahoney

March 26th, 2010
7:50 am

Go ahead and try to repeal the insurance reform. I want to watch compassionate conservatism in action as you tell people with pre-existing conditions that their government has decided to kill them off in favor of corporate profits.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
7:51 am

“What has been passed should slow the growth.”
Forcing the insurance companies to insure millions of unhealthy is NOT going to slow the increase in premiums. Insurance companies will have to raise premiums even higher to cover all these medical costs. Like I’ve said many times…good in theory but Obama and Skeletor flat out lied to the American people.

WATCH OUT, LIBERALS. HERE IT COMES!!!!

March 26th, 2010
7:53 am

The resurgence of conservative sentiment among a surprisingly large segement of the population is a response to the hard left turn that the President and his Democrat-controlled Congress are trying to take. As the saying goes, “every dog has it’s day”. The good news is that the Dems time in power is going to be a relatively short two years. They are doing a wonderful job of proving themselves to be fiscally irresponsible idealogues that are utterly incapable of governing and are going to get tossed out on their rear ends this Fall and again in 2012. It will be a decade before anyone buys into their campaign promises again and Barack Obama is going to go down as a modern-day Jimmy Carter. I can’t wait for the upcoming elections!!!!!!!

Jay

March 26th, 2010
7:55 am

I am so embarrassed! Get rid of Sonny P. and Newt G; these hillbillies must go!

vracer

March 26th, 2010
7:57 am

Get the school kids in shape. Every morning all line up by class and run three times around the school track. Costs nothing and will work.

sharecropper

March 26th, 2010
8:01 am

Wooten, you continue to be a fool. Let me guess: you have Medicare and/or AJC health insurance. Right? My, how comfortable you are. Get real on repeal: it ain’t gonna happen. Not now, not next year, not ever. But the answer from you and your ilk seems to be: let all the crackers just die. My god, you are pathetic.

MARTIN

March 26th, 2010
8:10 am

reebok

March 26th, 2010
8:15 am

Gotta love Wooten…standing astride the tide of history, holding up a hand and screaming “STOP!”

That is, of course, a quote that William F Buckley liked to say about himself and other arch-consrevatives, but nobody fiils the bill these days like our own dear old Jim…

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
8:21 am

“Gotta love Wooten…standing astride the tide of history, holding up a hand and screaming “STOP!””

I know, right? How dare Wooten stands in the way of a bill that will raise premiums even more than they are going up now! The nerve!!!!!

One Voice

March 26th, 2010
8:23 am

GBO: You’re misinformed. A recent CNN poll (not MSNBC) had 59% against and 39% in favor. However, if you look at the breakdown, 13% of the 59% against were against the bill because it was not liberal enough. So that means that 52% of the country either is in favor of the bill or would like to see a more liberal one, while only 46% oppose it outright. Funny how those numbers almost exactly mirror the numbers from the presidential election in 2008.

If you have studied history you should know this: A Republican did free the slaves, but at that time the parties were juxtaposed idealogically from where they are today. Back then Republicans were liberals (for a strong federal government and progressive change) and Democrats were conservative (for states’ rights, “traditional” values [i.e. the big business of slavery], and the status quo). Gotta go back and hit the books, professor.

Some people are stupid

March 26th, 2010
8:27 am

GBO -Lincoln republicans became the new democrats, and the Whig party became the current republicans.

georgiadawg70

March 26th, 2010
8:30 am

All of the liberal losers that are blogging have been to seminars held by the unions and acorn. The are taght to resond in mass to blog using different names and to support the socialist line. Dont pay them any attention, they are just a few losers who dont work and have nothing to do but talk on cell phones, somke cigarettes, watch Jerry Springer and live off the achievers of the world.

William

March 26th, 2010
8:31 am

Jay

March 26th, 2010
7:55 am
Would you like to give the majority a reason you want them to go and why you call them hillbillies? Or is that as much as your DNC spin card reads.

Steven

March 26th, 2010
8:33 am

Jim Wooten – Soundbite Factory for the Right. No worry about thinking for yourself. Jim will tell you what you need to think. And he’ll achieve it in one paragraph per topic. Don’t worry about the pesky little facts; just memorize, spew and repeat.

William

March 26th, 2010
8:33 am

Some people are stupid

March 26th, 2010
8:27 am
The greatest and most powerful angel Lucifer became satan. What is your point?

Some people are stupid

March 26th, 2010
8:33 am

georgiadawg70 -
And what of conservative losers, they are tuaght to regurgitate the lines of anybody on fox news.

Some people are stupid

March 26th, 2010
8:34 am

William- Someone said the republicans freed the slaves.

William

March 26th, 2010
8:34 am

Steven

March 26th, 2010
8:33 am

Steven you have confused conervatives with progressive liberals. Conservatives can read and write, really.

Norm

March 26th, 2010
8:38 am

Comments from the highly politicized are usually quite inane!

William

March 26th, 2010
8:38 am

Some people are stupid

March 26th, 2010
8:34 am

The Emancipation Proclamation consists of two executive orders issued by United States President Abraham Lincoln during the American Civil War. The first one, issued September 22, 1862, declared the freedom of all slaves in any state of the Confederate States of America that did not return to Union control by January 1, 1863. The second order, issued January 1, 1863, named ten specific states where it would apply. Lincoln issued the Executive Order by his authority as “Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy” under Article II, section 2 of the United States Constitution.[1]

Lincoln was in the Republican party

Chris

March 26th, 2010
8:41 am

Republicans, get over it! Your plan to “break Obama” has failed. He got health care passed and now you want to repeal the law? What about the millions of people who will benefit from this new law? Did you forget about them? But of course you can’t care about them when all you care about defeating Obama. It’s not even about health care to you guys any more, its just about “getting back at Obama”; and here I’m thinking people left this type of behavior back in grade school. You Republicans are (still) acting like a bunch of whiny spoiled brats.

Steven

March 26th, 2010
8:41 am

William – Sorry, you’re the confused one. But you feel free to believe whatever you need to be able to sleep at night. The vast majority of your brainless cohorts suck down the swill served on Fox News and believe it relgiously. Pun intended.

Some people are stupid

March 26th, 2010
8:43 am

William-
I know Lincoln was a republican. I was stating that the party of Lincoln transformed into the modern democratic party, while the whigs transformed into what is now known as the GOP.

jconservative

March 26th, 2010
8:43 am

Wow Jim, you stirred up a hornets nest with your first comment.

So you want to repeal? OK, you will need 289 votes in the House and 67 in the Senate. Remember, you will need to override an Obama veto. That is a tall order to come up with off of one election.

If one wants to vote to kick Democrats out, who do they replace the Democrats with? It would be dumb to put the Republicans back in, remember Medicare Part D, cutting taxes and increasing spending, nation building in Iraq & No Child Left Behind? So who do we put into office?
I would suggest Libertarians but they do not know how to campaign, see our buddy Bob Barr, so they will not be successful.

Looks like we are stuck with the same crowd, liberal Republicans and Democrats, for the foreseeable future.

Kind of sickening isn’t it?

Fun, Fun, Fun

March 26th, 2010
8:43 am

“No body really wants the health insurance system in the United States NOT to be reformed. It has long treated the American people (including the wealthy) shabbily!”

Oh really, Mid South? When the republicans were in power, never heard a peep of that.

“i said you sound LIKE a douchebag…I didn’t call anyone a douchebag…..”

Oooo. Big difference. Thanks for the clarification, Vince Neil.

The republicans new mantra…. “Don’t abort that fetus if you can’t afford to have it, but i’ll be DAMNED if you will use any of my tax money to pay part of your maternaty bill.”

This is so fun to watch. Talk radio and FOX news talking heads made sure the politcians on the right did not take part in any of the negotiations for health care. And then they cry “they shut us out!” And they cry because of debt but never heard a sound when the prescription drug deal came along without being paid for. And whoever heard of a tax break during a time of two wars?

Unbelieveable. Keep crying.

We all lose

March 26th, 2010
8:45 am

There are a bunch of delusional folks on here. Failures of both parties put us in this mess. When the new folks solution pushes us deeper in the hole and all they can do is blame the last guy, (got news–Newts been out of office for a long time,) the people see through it. We might be largely apathetic, but we ain’t stupid. In the words of Yamamoto: “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”

DT

March 26th, 2010
8:47 am

Poll on CBS news concerning Obamacare; 85% dissaprove of Obamacare. All you liberals are wrong. This is not an Atlanta poll, it is a Nation wide poll. You can find it here.
Quick Poll

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000144-503544.html?tag=stack

Reality

March 26th, 2010
8:47 am

Question for all conservatives….

Every single Constitutional lawyer says that these states law suits are unfounded and will fail. In GA, our own Attourney General has said that as well.

Now, Perdue want to pursue a law suit on his own. He wants to appoint a special Attourney General and move forward with this WASTE of tax payer money. How much will this “special AG” cost? How much will this law suit doomed to fail cost?

At a time when the GA budget is horribly bad and important services are being cut to the bone, such as education, WHY AREN’T THE CONSERVATIVES UP IN ARMS ABOUT PERDUE’S WASTE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS?

I guess the conservatives really aren’t that conservatives when it comes to GA tax money.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
8:49 am

Chris, I hope you enjoy your increased premiums once insurance companies are forced to cover millions of sick people! I’ll go ahead and say it now…told ya so!

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
8:50 am

Reality, I do agree w/ you on the Sonny Purdue thing..he is an idiot.

jconservative

March 26th, 2010
8:50 am

I still do not understand why Georgia should spend a nickel on filing a suit against the health care bill; 13 States have already done so. How is 14 going to make the points of law better/stronger?

Some people are stupid

March 26th, 2010
8:50 am

DT-
Is that poll poll you really want to represent. I voted six times in a row. Not a truly scientific poll.

DT

March 26th, 2010
8:51 am

Abraham Lincoln was a Whig/Republican.

Cutty

March 26th, 2010
8:51 am

Wooten is starting to back away from ethics reform.

“The tax — politicians call it a fee — “has to come through the efficiencies of the hospitals” and “cannot be passed on to patients”

Not politicians, REPUBLICANS Wooten.

Steven

March 26th, 2010
8:51 am

DT – LOL. The fact that you would post a “web poll” as scientific fact is funny. It’s also funny that you didn’t mention that the poll had “technical difficulties” as plainly stated at the top of the page.

DT

March 26th, 2010
8:53 am

If Obama is left alone, We will be a Communist/Socialist nation. We will be no better than Cuba only bigger.

DT

March 26th, 2010
8:55 am

Hey Steven, get your head out of the Fridge. The American people do not want Obamacare. Besides what does Technical difficulties have to do with it?

GOP on the Rise

March 26th, 2010
8:56 am

Republicans are Sorry, NEWS FLASH; you are delusional, out of 130 million votes Obozo won by 6 million votes, a margin of 4.6% that is far from a landslide. You will see a landslide in November when these sorry a$$ dimacrats are sent packing because they do NOT represent the people. They represent special interest, like the lobbyist who wrote the healthcare take over…. Since you liberal losers are so focused on the healthcare take over rather than jobs you will lose. Surplus Clinton left? No Clinton did NOT leave a surplus he just did NOT spend more than he took in, there is a big difference, and he still had over 8 trillion in debt… Obozo kept his promises, man you are lost how about I”I will not have lobbyist in my administration” over 75% lobbyist in his cabinet. “I will not sign any bill with earmarks” so far everything he has signed has more earmarks than ever in history. “The healthcare bill will not cover illegal aliens” guess what, it does and it exempts them from paying taxes but covers them with healthcare. So far Obozo has been proven to be the biggest liar in American politics… Keep complaining about the KKK only the dimacrats have KKK members within their ranks…

Steven

March 26th, 2010
8:56 am

DT- Phew. You show your ignorance.

For those interested in polls…here’s a poll that everyone seems to forget. The overwhelming majority of Americans want some health reform passed. I don’t blame Democrats for making this happen now – otherwise, it never would have.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/public_opinion_polls/topic/health_care/

Fun, Fun, Fun

March 26th, 2010
8:58 am

The protester at an anti-health care reform rally who yelled and threw money at a pro-reform advocate with Parkinson’s disease has apologized for his “shameful” actions and blamed them on impulse.

The man Reichert verbally abused, Robert A. Letcher, 60, is seen in the video sitting on the ground as Tea Party activists demonstrate in front of him. He is holding up a sign that reads, “Got Parkinson’s? I do and you might. Thanks for your help.”

After one man in the crowd starts mocking Letcher, Reichert steps out of the crowd, throwing money in Letcher’s face, and mockingly shouts, “No, no I’ll pay for this guy. Here you go, start a pot. I’ll pay for you.” He then yells, “I’ll decide when to give you money…No more handouts,” and again throws money at him. In the background, shouts of “Communist” can be heard.

Of course he REALLY started to be sorry when a video of his actions went world-wide.

Yes, those teabaggers are a real classy bunch.

GOP on the Rise

March 26th, 2010
8:58 am

Here is an idea, why not take an up or down vote on healthcare, by the people. Then we will see the truth, Americans do NOT want this bill as it stands. By the way what do student loans have to do with healthcare?

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
9:00 am

Steven, how is the bill considered “health care reform”? I thought one big point was to lower premiums. How are insurance companies going to cover millions of sick people w/out raising premiums on everyone?

LOL

March 26th, 2010
9:00 am

I like the “fired up ready to go” moron on here. Yeah Bush sucked, but so does Obama. They are ALL crooked and until you learn that you will continually be led to believe what they are telling you. Going to be real funny when this health care bill passes and all the morons find out they are now required to buy their own insurance. The broke will get broker.

Barry

March 26th, 2010
9:07 am

All’s right with the world, Jim Wooten is consistently on the wrong side of every issue!

Please try to convince voters their kids in college or grad school don’t deserve to be on the parents insurance, even though the parents will be paying the additional premiums.

Allow insurance companies to drop policy holders who become sick and put the limits back on everyone’s benefits. Just because a person survived cancer in their teens doesn’t mean they should be able to get insurance 20 years later.

Please try to take the $250 rebate away from seniors on Medicare Part D and add the exclusions back for pre-existing conditions.

Also, take the tax credits away from small business owners who provide their employees with group insurance. Aren’t most small business owners republican?

Don’t get me wrong, I think the republicans should TRY to repeal the health care law and continue to protect the greedy middleman insurance corporations. Voters just love the corrupt insurance industry. But, I they may have a problem with President Obama’s veto power.

It seems the republicans have just discovered fiscal responsibility. They wring their hands and worry how we’ll pay for health care.

WE CAN PAY FOR THE NEW HEALTH CARE SYSTEM THE SAME WAY WE PAID FOR THE TWO BUSH WARS!

GBO

March 26th, 2010
9:13 am

“WE CAN PAY FOR THE NEW HEALTH CARE SYSTEM THE SAME WAY WE PAID FOR THE TWO BUSH WARS!

you are right Barry for the wrong reasons…WE’LL BORROW IT and expect our children and grandchildren to pay unbelievable taxes to pay for what WE wanted to have but not pay for ourselves. I wish there were term limits for everyone in DC.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 26th, 2010
9:13 am

For our conservative friends, today’s WSJ has several excellent essays on “how to repeal.” http://online.wsj.com/public/page/news-opinion-commentary.html

Steven

March 26th, 2010
9:14 am

Peadog – Since the plan calls for requiring people to purchase insurance, there will be millions of new paying customers pooling their insurance plans. While there will be some who get care for free or reduced rates, there will also be many, many new paying customers. An important underlying feature is giving people regular access so they don’t wait until the last moment when the disease/illness is at the worst possible stage – and the most expensive stage. And technically, it’s health insurance reform. There are measures in place to reduce waste and fraud. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (which was critical of the first health bill announced in early 2009) said that this plan will actually reduce the deficit over time.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
9:14 am

…the inmates are running the asylum.

DT

March 26th, 2010
9:15 am

We haven’t had a good president since Reagan, They’ve all tag teamed us into socialism. Our nation is goine.

DT

March 26th, 2010
9:18 am

GBO, you got it wrong there, most of these people don’t pay taxes, neither will their children and grand children. Our taxes will be so high that they will be better of than we are. Isn’t that a recipe for a great Nation.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
9:20 am

@ Steven

The so-called reduction in the deficits comes from higher taxes to some, and projected cuts in medicare. It is still going to cost trillions of dollars, just not coming from borrowing…supposedly.

Bottom line is medium income and higher income taxpayers are going to be footing the bill for most…as usual. I can be for healthcare reform…if they institute a flat tax and EVERYONE has to pay.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
9:22 am

You are right DT, a whole bunch of people want a lot of nice things…as long as someone else pays for it.

DT

March 26th, 2010
9:22 am

Steven, Do you sell that stuff you smoke?

GBO

March 26th, 2010
9:24 am

@ DT and that is why Marxism failed…it assumed that people would contribute equally. Nice idea except it does not work in the real world, there are a growing segment of the people who want something for nothing…so they vote liberal. We are heading down that path, where sooner or later there will be no incentive to work, so why bother.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
9:41 am

@ the dummy who said Obama’s win was not a landslide. Obama’s 365 electoral votes to McCain’s 173. A larger landslide than Ronald Reagan’s “mandate. DEAL WITH IT !
To the other dummy who asks for examples of a liberal run govt. EVERY industrialized nation has universal health care, better life expectancies, infant mortality is lower AND they spend LESS THAN 1/2 of USA 9per capita) less than 1/2 on drugs. Why do drugs made here get sold to other nations at a fraction of the cost WE pay? They are made here! Can you say kickbacks to republicans? I can.
To the dummy looking for examples. Show me a “conservative” run government that isn’t running huge deficits and expanding gaps between rich and poor. Show me one that cares for its citizens. The silence is deafening. Your failed experiment known as conservatism is OVER. DEAL !!!

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
9:50 am

I know you like to bring up Obama’s “deficits’ without acknowledging he inherited the worst financial collapse since the great depression. He inherited 2 wars that were not paid for and a 450 billion dollar unpaid for entitlement with medicare. He inherited a collapsing stock market AND with businesses cutting jobs at a record pace the deficit went up from lost tax revenue to high job losses. But, honesty is not a “conservative” virtue , is it? WMD’s…”compassionate’ conservative…tax cuts
increase revenue, deficits “don’t matter (per Dick Cheney) I could go on for days with the lies you “conservatives” tell Armaggedon???!! Reallly??? Sorry, the rest of America is not as dumb as the viewers and listeners of Fox “News” ( Fox actually fought in court for the right to lie – saying they were an opinion station, not news, so they did not have to tell the truth) Neil Boortz, Rush Limbaugh and Glen “crybaby” Beck. Hitler? Nazi? Socialist? Do you ever run out of lies.
The new republican mantra “the right to lie” replaces “right to life”. (Of course that “right to life” thingy only applied to a fetus, not the actual child or adults. They have no right to life, liberty or pursuit of happiness….unless they agree with republicans.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
9:52 am

Thank God America has awakened to the republican lies.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
9:52 am

@ wont be fooled again

Same question you willnever answer lib…who is going to pay for your Utopia? Oh wait I know, the onew who voted Republican…sure as hellz won’t be you.

kindergarten teacher

March 26th, 2010
9:54 am

OK …it’s almost time for recess children. RECESS APPOINTMENTS while the little republican children are on their Easter recess, Obama will recess appoint ALL of his judges and cabinet vacancies. Load ‘em up Prez with liberals !

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
9:56 am

It won’t be you paying GBO. It will be the wealthy, who gorged at the public trough all these years at OUR expense. They got their MASSIVE tax cuts and breaks only to invest it all in Chinese jobs. SCREW THEM !! It’s time they pay the piper !!!

Newt's Helmet Hair

March 26th, 2010
9:57 am

Sounds like somebody is a little petulant today. A bit peevish. This HCR is EXTREMELY middle of the road. The problem is that the right keeps moving ever farther TO the right. Major parts of this bill, including the mandate, were suggested in the past by Gingrich, Dole, Tommy Thompson. Unless these fine men didn’t really mean it. The problem is that the GOP leadership led its membership down the garden path, promising them that if they stood together, the Dems would self-destruct as they have before. That miscalculation lies heavy for your team. I mean we all know that the GOP would have voted against HCR even if they were allowed to write the bill. It was all about defeating Obama. The problem now is where does the GOP go from here? Running on repeal is a loser. And the GOP will run against banking reform, too? I wouldn’t get too excited yet about November, if I were you.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
9:57 am

Yes, GBO…it’s pretty easy to tell you are broke….and bankrupt…of any new or good ideas

GBO

March 26th, 2010
9:57 am

@ kindergarten teacher…yup he will do that. It is a shame so few of them have ever read the CONSTITUTION.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
9:58 am

@Newt’s H H . lol . For real….and I am LUUUUUUUVVVVVIIIIIIINNN IT !!!
They never run out of ammo for self-inflicted wounds. Only the blind partisans aka tea bag gers
are with them now.

Tall

March 26th, 2010
10:00 am

To StJ post of 3/25 8:10pm. The pick three numbers in the Illinois State lottery were 666 on November 5, 20009, the day after President Obama won the election. Mr. Republicans are
Sorry, you are correct.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:03 am

We won’t-

So what has BO done? Continued both wars, increased the deficts and kept Gitmo open. That’s change we can believe in.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
10:04 am

No We won’t…you are right, I am not broke or bankrupt…because I’ve busted my backside since I was 11 years old to pay for anything and everything I had. I wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth, my father died when I was 7 and I had to work for it all. .

Work, a novel idea, you libs should try it. You show me someone who is willing to work, and I will hold out my hand anytime, but I don’t feel like I owe a majority of the money I work to someone hanging with his homeys or watching Love Connectionwhile I put in 50+ hour weeks.

Tall

March 26th, 2010
10:10 am

GBO: ” It is a shame so few of them have ever read the CONSTITUTION.” Sadly, you are correct. Most of the posters here have no idea of what is going on. The country is already insolvent and the Democrats decided to add another entitlement on top of it.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
10:11 am

you want new ideas…okay here are a few.

Fund Workfare not Welfare

Fund Training programs not entitlements

Make every able bodied person do something (pick up trash on the road for a day or two) if only for a few hours a week to keep getting handouts.

Incentivize things with reward tied to effort or contribution not always “enabling” people.

Maybe even require a course in simple economics regarding goods and services so that people realize that EVERYTHING has a price tag.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 26th, 2010
10:14 am

Dear Fool @ 9:50, I offer a blast from the past, a Wooten column a year ago:

[By Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 25, 2009 9:22 AM

Were you aware that the unemployment rate has gone up 60% since Nancy Pelosi proclaimed intention to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire? The intellectual flaw of all Obamanomics is “static analysis.” The new overlords assume that businesses do not react to higher costs imposed by government, whether imposed by tax or by regulation. In a service-based economy, the only place that businesses can reduce costs is “employment,” as that is the only “raw material” in its product. So when Congress chooses to compel businesses to divert revenues to government (and thus away from “production,”) that decision will have a measurable human cost. As we have seen since the Pelosicrats proclaimed an end to the Bush tax cuts.

Unemployment November 2007, one year after the democrats seized control of Congress: 4.7%.

Unemployment today: 7.6%, a 60% increase (2.9% change/4.7%) in the unemployment rate. Our forecast is that number will continue to rise, as the date of the actual expiration of the cuts approaches. Change we can believe in.]

Back to the current: under the democrat congress, now 15 months after the “stimulus,” unemployment is 50% higher than it was when the stimulus was passed. Our progressive friends are slow learners. (And if you care, the rest of my 2/25/09 post had a lot of wisdom too.)

Barry

March 26th, 2010
10:15 am

Point of Law: When the House and Senate vote and one side gets the most votes and wins that is not “RAMMING IT THROUGH”!

When voters go to the polls and the corrupt republican Supreme Court stops the vote from being counted that is – RAMMING IT THROUGH – Being appointed 5 to 4 is not a mandate!

9/11 was a terrorist attack on bush’s watch, so were the bombings in Spain, London and the thousands in Bagdad.

Reality

March 26th, 2010
10:16 am

@Tall: Let’s be perfectly clear on what’s going on here. Approximately 90% of the federal debt is attributed to Bush – primarily for the pentagon and war and also for tax breaks for the wealthy. Additional debt since Obama has taken office is totally due to attempts to help the economy and jobs.

This healthcare reform (all it entitlement or whatever you want to) does not add to the federal debt in the long term. In fact, the numbers released, not by the democrats but by the accountants, show that this reform bill will help LOWER the federal deficit.

Audrey in Georgia

March 26th, 2010
10:20 am

The republicans are the MINORITY party and they still can’t get over it. When you have a problem,
you are supposed to admit you have a problem and apologize to the people who you have hurt because of your problem. It is past time for the republicans to tell the American public they have a problem, they are so sorry for wrecking havoc on every sector of the American livelihood, and going forward, they would really like to work to solve our problems. “Hell no you can’t!”
Don’t worry, in NOvember, more republicans will be sent home for not working to help solve
our problems and not working after 2:00 p.m.!

Pudd'nhead Wilson

March 26th, 2010
10:21 am

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.

Reality

March 26th, 2010
10:21 am

@ Retired Soldier

You have got to be kidding! President Obama inherited a complete mess and ALL of his actions have focused on cleaning up this bush repub mess.

I. Stimulus Bill to help economy
II. Jobs Bill to help jobs
III. Healthcare Reform Bill to cover citizens and keep insurance corporations for continuing to rape Americans

Gitmo is already being closed, as promised.

So, you complain about President Obama? Did you complain about bush? How about his….

I. Tax cuts for the wealthy?
II. Bailout for the Financial Companys?
III. Starting of those 2 wars that you mentioned?

GBO

March 26th, 2010
10:22 am

Barry, it is ramming it through when the Democratic leadership has to threaten and coerce its own membership to vote for something that the polls continually kept saying it wanted changes in before putting it in to place. As far as the currupt Republican Supreme Court you referenced, the Supreme Court’s ONLY responsibility is to interpret the Constitiution. If there are “activist” judges rather than “interpreters” appointed by any President, then that is corruption. It is not their job to make law, only interpret the constitutionality…something libs should read someday.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 26th, 2010
10:23 am

Dear Reality, another blast from the past, same column, same day, same genius writer:

Dear Bucks @ 12:08, great question, gives us a teaching moment here. You know, as well as I, that Presidents have to spend whatever Congress says; they don’t even have the right to stop spending in an emergency. The correct question is, “when has a democrat house of representatives” – where revenue bills must originate, democrats in control for 54 of the past 66 years – “proposed a balanced budget?” Another good question is, since 1932, how many years have republicans controlled the house of representatives during a recession? I used to think the answer was “1,” mistakenly thinking there was a recession early in the term of George W Bush; our friend jm set me straight on that one. The answer is “0.”

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:24 am

Not killing Bin Laden was on Clinton’s watch, your Point Barry? So the Supreme Court was correct with say Roe v. Wade, but was wrong about the 2000 election. Interesting.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:25 am

@GBO. I am with you on the work issue. I am not defending peoples’ right to sit on their a$$eS and collect $$$. I never said I did. Why is that always the argument ? So, let’s unite on that issue. But to say people needn’t get any help in this time of so many job losses is not right. So, why don’t we work to make the “stimulus” more of a direct jobs for infrastructure instead of the waste I am seeing. I am not saying democrats haven’t dropped the ball on some of the spending but much of it was worthy. I have seen a LOT of cor[porate welfare under epublicans. Why did oil companies need extra tax cuts? Record profits and $5 a gallon gas came from their manipulating the market and “speculators” Why should the American people be at the mercy of market manipulation and Wall Street welfare?

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:27 am

We cut taxes by the trillions under Bush, mostly for the filthy rich. What did they do? Created jobs in China and put it in offshore tax havens ….something had to change. We’ve tried your way dude…it failed miserably.

Junior Samples

March 26th, 2010
10:29 am

watching pelosi reid and obama is like watching a 3 ring circus (including the elephant dung). It will take a decade to fix all of the damage they have done to our country.My, how they love spending other peoples money (our grand kids’) The “yes we can” generation blew it big time. Never again will an empty suit with a nifty little saying (hope and change) get elected. NO MORE ENTITLEMENTS!

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:30 am

@ retired
I seem to remember Clinton bombing Afghanistan’s al Qaeda camps where bin Laden was believed to be and republicans (and I am sure you included) said Clinton was “wagging the dog” and trying to distract from the “Monica’ mission the republicans thought was more important. You can’t have it both ways, hypocrites. I wish your opposition was legit. But, time and time you prove yourselves wrong. Only, people like me…NOT TEXAS TEXTBOOKS remember history…and the LIES too.
FAIL

Tall

March 26th, 2010
10:31 am

“Approximately 90% of the federal debt is attributed to Bush – primarily for the pentagon and war and also for tax breaks for the wealthy. Additional debt since Obama has taken office is totally due to attempts to help the economy and jobs.”

Like I said in my post to GBO: “most of the posters here have no idea what they’re talking about.”
The reality is, Article 8 under the Constitution gives Congress the right to set the fiscal policy. Not the Executive office. Under the W administration, the world economy was already in a recession(No fault of the Clinton administration – sic.) The events of 9/11 did about $100billion of damage to an already reeling economy. Bush did the right thing in reducing taxes. When you cut income taxes, you expand the multiplier effect. That means that money supply moves through the economy at a faster rate, because consumers – NOT government- have more to invest or spend. Thus, the deficits under the W adminstration were contracting until 2006, when the Democrats took control of Congress. The deficits since then, have exploded. If you don’t believe me, you can go to the website of the CBO and look it up. By the way, Bush did not use the veto at all. So, he can be faulted for that.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:31 am

Reality

Strange name for someone who makes up reality.

1. StimulusBill- Pork waste that didn’t stop higher and higher unemployment- remember…”if we pass this unemployment won’t be above 8 per cent
2.Jobs bill- are you kidding me, 1600 more IRS agents to enforce health care.
3. healthcare bill- look at what BO promised in the election and see if it resembles what was passed.
4. I agree with the tax cuts that were passed for everyone.
5. Bailout, opposed.
6. Wars- yep they are/were justified

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:34 am

Republicans could have past health care but instead they were comcerned with trying to impeach Clinton. They had 12 years to do something. They instead chose to deregulate the banks and Wall Street. Now, those chickens have come home to roost in this effed up economy and YOU want to blame Obama…..then skip over Bush to blame Clinton for other things. The WORST TERRORIST ATTACK IN US HISTORY 911 happened under Bush’s watch. Facts are a stubborn thing ….aren’t they?
And the fact is.republicans FALIED MISERABLY when they were in charge. President Obama deserves our support as reality is he can’t wave a magic wand. Either get on board or sail away.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:35 am

ground forces had Bin Laden in their sights, Clinton won’t give the go ahead. Fact

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:37 am

sail away? we are sailing to Novenber where the Dems will take a licking like never before. Rep win back the house and the Dems hold the senate w/ 51. Write it down boys.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:39 am

retired. How do you justify spending TRILLIONS on these wars? We could have sent operatives in and killed clandestinely al Gaeda and Taliban. We have spent trillions “nation building and occupying. Bin Laden has won. He made the US overreach and bankrupted us in the process.
As we are seeing in Pakistan, the operatives (special ops) have located the militants and predator drones are wiping them out. More alQaeda have been killed or captured under Obana’s short time than the entire time Bush was Pres. Why all the hate? Give the man credit where credit is due.

Fuzzy Math

March 26th, 2010
10:42 am

The 9/11 attack happened a year into Bush’s watch. So the attack is his fault, not Clinton’s. The economy is tanking at lightning speed and jobs are going with it—a year into Obama’s watch, and it’s Bush’s fault, not Obama’s. Sounds like Fuzzy Math.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:42 am

retired your “facts” come from Fox News. FACT*** Fox News argued in court for the right to lie.
They said they (Hannity,Glen Beck,O’Reilly and everyone but the inknown daytime hour) were not “News” but opinion, thus allowing them to lie. Deal with it old timer. You were spanked in the last election…and will be spanked even harder in the next. Your hate and lies are backfiring. Youth are mobilized yet again to defend President Obama and the right for our votes to count. We voted Obama in with a mandate.We will not rest until it is implemented fully. YES WE CAN!!!!

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:43 am

I have said many times on here, the only policy I am aware of that I support Obama in is Afganistan. Since you disagree w/ the wars you should be critical of BO.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:44 am

well said fuzzy

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:46 am

We will walk the walk and pound the pavement from sea to shining sea to see to it that America’s promise is fulfilled. No amount of conservative anger or obstruction will stop us. The party of hell no
is done. The adults are in charge now.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:47 am

ok spring chicken, I don’t watch any of the above, except O’Reily. And nite time MSNBC is unbaised? I watch MSNBC every morning what’s that make me?

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:47 am

You sound very adult We. Geesh.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:48 am

It is time for the wars to end. We can not sustain trillions in war spending for the few al Qaeda there. AlQeada is in every country hiding. It is a matter of clandestine and killing with special ops….like Israel does. It is much more effective without the huge costs. If you don’t see that, there is no hope for you.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:49 am

I do let my opinion known to Obama opposing these wars…not because I want to let up on alQaeda but there ARE FAR MORE EFFECTIVE WAYS TO KILL THEM.

Jess

March 26th, 2010
10:49 am

Steven,

When given the choice of buying health insurance for $6000-$8000 per year or paying a $1000 fine most will opt for the fine. If they get really sick, or are hurt in an accident, that is when they will buy insurance. The idea of all these new dollars coming into the system is a myth just like the idea of saving $500 billion by medicare cuts, and almost every other savings gimmick used to get this thing past, like the nationalization of the student loan program.

This bill is going to be a drag on the American economy and a drag which will only grow with time. This is an administration bent on destroying the US economy, and I’d say they are off to a good start.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:51 am

Then why did your hero surge more troops there?

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:51 am

I am not in charge…but am adult. I get frustrated with all the hate and blame coming from you people toward Obama. He is doing what he said he would do when elected….health care reform,
more money for Pell grants, unfortunately he had to expend alot of time and energy to overcome obstructionist sore losers

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:52 am

Well said Jess

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:53 am

Or the hate and blame for Bush or Newt or McConnell, you taught us well We.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:55 am

He campaigned on “leaving Iraq responsibly” He is doing it. He said we should concentrate on al Qaeda in Afghanistan….he is doing that. Where’s the problem? I am stating my opinion on the waste of $$$. Kill them with special ops and drones and plants(double agents etc) Much cheaper abd more effective….as we are seeing in Pakistan now. Obama increased the predator drone attacks and has killed many top alQaeda as a result. We should do what works. But to think we will find and kill or invade every country alQaeda operatives are is a fantasy….impossible….so you hunt and kill them.My opinion…not Obama policy oer se.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:56 am

McConnell and Newt and all of them HAD THEIR CHANCE. They FAILED MISERABLY.
Why do you even want to go back down that road? It would be different if we weren’t currently living through the end result of their “leadership” off the economic cliff. GEEEZZ
Some people are just slow, I guess.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:58 am

Glad to know you are a military expert. I’m in awe of you knowledge. But your arguement falls flat when u can’t be critical of BO when he is doing just the opposite of what u propose, i.e. suring more troops.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:59 am

Newt for pres in 2012 and Paul Ryan for VP, what do you think?

Tall

March 26th, 2010
11:01 am

To won’t be fooled again: The total spent on the recent wars has been in the vicinity of $80 billion. Still a sizeable sum, but not trillions as you suggest.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
11:02 am

The drag on the economy would be greater for ever rising healthcare costs to continue to bankrupt us. We had to address it, financially and morally. I am thankful to God this has passed. Will there be areas to improve? Of course.But, with all the obstructionist, win at all costs mentality of republicans….a better bill was impossible. I am confident not only that the dems are on the right side of history….but that the repubs are once again, on the wrong side of history.Republicans said social security was “socialism” and the “last throes of a dictator” and said the same about Medicare. Yet now, they swear to defend it against the dems…..LAUGHABLE. They will be defending “Obamacare” from being cut and claiming dems want to cut it in elections 10 years from now. They never learn It is dems who make the bold, right moves for America…real Americans….not the defenders of the wealthy who have enriched themselves at thye American workers’ hard expense and sent the fruits of our labor to COMMUNIST CHINA to create jobs in COMMIE CHINA!
Thanks alot retired and the rest of you”conservatives” for sellling America down the toilet.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 26th, 2010
11:04 am

Dear Retired, not bad. I’d like to see Petraeus-Jindal, but your Newt/Ryan is a winner for me.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
11:04 am

I am critical of the decision to remain in Afghanistan this long. But, I am not Pres…am not privy to their info. I think it is a strategic mistake (both financially 2 trillion and counting and militarily)You’re right…I am not a military expert…nor are either of you.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
11:06 am

Bin Laden wins when we spend ourselves into bankruptcy invading countries to go after a few al Qaeda.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
11:07 am

You defend the trillions spent on these wars and detest any money spent on American people. You defend money to wealthy to send to China or commit fraud and we have to bail out to avoid collapse.I don’t get you guys.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
11:10 am

I’m not a military expert? Hmm, 3 stars were on my shoulder still didn’t qualify me as an expert. No wonder I didn’t get that 4th star.

Just kidding, I topped out below the general officer level. The method you advocate was proposed by Biden and rejected by BO. Guess Biden wasn’t an “expert” either.

SnarkyJarhead

March 26th, 2010
11:13 am

Yes! Kill them with Special Ops and drones–brilliant strategy. Let’s use reconciliation to pass a law that requires all the bad guys to wear orange vests and chemical lights. If the Special Ops fellows ride unicorns they can get through that mountainous terrain undetected. We can tap into our extensive spy network to find those who break the law and don’t wear their vests and lights. Oh wait, Jimbo removed the field agents and replaced them with satellites. It’s been 30+ years and those idiots still haven’t figured out how to grow beards on a satellite to infiltrate isolated tribes. Perhaps if we offer them free health care and college, the villagers will point out the bad guys to us.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
11:15 am

You go Jarhead. To funny yet sadly true.

Reality

March 26th, 2010
11:37 am

@Retired Soldier – Yep, you are a typical repub conservative because you cannot post a response without using some name calling or insult.

What I posted were the things that President Obama has passed during his one year. I never said there were good or bad – you did.

I also posted things that Bush did while in office. Again, you were the one that said they were good or bad.

Even looking at your “opinions”, the better President is Obama. Everything that he has worked on has been FOR ALL American people.

By the way, I never a tax cut from Bush and I am middle class. When did that happen? All I know is that Bush cut taxes on those incomes over $200,000 per year.

Richard

March 26th, 2010
11:43 am

Right Wooten, the republicans are really going to repeal health care reform. This is just like how they were going to put in an Amendment opposing gay mariage and privatize social security during Bush’s tenure. They don’t remove entitlement plans. It’s nothing but a campaign scam designed to get contributions.

You may think the Democrats aren’t doing what’s in the country’s best interest. That’s fine. But if you think the Republicans will, you’re living in fantasy land.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
11:43 am

No name calling here reality. I hope you have a blessed weekend and find all those things that you have missed. As for me, time to do a bit of work since I have been scolded. Out for now.

Barry

March 26th, 2010
12:07 pm

The fact is that you cannot WIN an occupation; there is no way for US to WIN in Afghanistan or Iraq. You cannot invade and hold another country. Didn’t we learn that simple fact in Viet Nam?

The Russians tried for years to win in Afghanistan; they were willing to torture and kill every single person there. They leveled villages and cities; committed genocide against the people and still could not win. But, finally they gave up and left and so will we. There is no mission over there and President Obama was wrong to continue with no way to win and no way out. I won’t defend or blame him for that; he’s still better than St. Ronnie, daddy bush and baby bush.

Before you get too excited about Newt – remember he is a draft-dodging frat-boy, a serial adulterer and the biggest loser and hypocrite to ever walk the streets of Washington. He’s already hated by half the republicans and all the Democrats, pretty hard to win with those negatives.

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 26th, 2010
12:10 pm

I admit my lack of acquaintance with the Market Bulletin. Why is it not online? Cut the mailing expense, which is presumably significant.

Some of the people who get the market bulletin don’t have a computer and don’t want one.

Jess

March 26th, 2010
12:26 pm

Reality,

You did get a tax cut under Bush! This is regardless of what class you have assigned yourself. Even those who recieve earned income credits got an increase.

Reality

March 26th, 2010
12:27 pm

Georgians need to vote out the state republicans. Perdue and company have run this State into the ground. We have one of the highest unemployment in the Country and also one of the worst budget crisis. There is no excuse. Republicans control all of the State of GA and they have ruined it.

Jess

March 26th, 2010
12:28 pm

Richard,

If bankrupting our government, and yoking our children with a huge burden is what’s best for the country, then Obama’s doing an excellent job.

Reality

March 26th, 2010
12:28 pm

Jess – LOL! I really hope that you are not talking about that one-time pitiful “rebate” check in the mail?!?!?!

GBO

March 26th, 2010
12:28 pm

@ We wont…

re:”So, why don’t we work to make the “stimulus” more of a direct jobs for infrastructure instead of the waste I am seeing”.

On this, I agree with you. I would have had a lot less trouble with the ARRA if most of it was going to be spent on things with lasting benefits, like infrastructure. Again, let me say that I am Independent, and truthfully the current Republicans earned the beating they took. As a matter of fact, the stupidest earmark in it was proposed by a Republican (Zack Wamp) regarding some millions for a geothermal heating system for a mall that has been on life support and should have been leveled for decades in Oak Ridge, TN. Truthfully, there are a bunch on both sides of the aisle who want ot feed at the trough, but two wrongs do not make a right..

gdawg

March 26th, 2010
12:30 pm

The government isn’t mandating that you get insurance. The act just says you have to have it (but you also have to have car insurance, so what’s the big deal, tea-party pinheads?). The government leaves it to you to pick the insurance. Socialism? Not exactly. Get over it….

Reality

March 26th, 2010
12:30 pm

@Jess 12:28

Woah! Approximately 90% of our federal debt is from the Bush terms. No one can blame Obama for that! Plus, MOST of what Obama has done has been to mitigate the catastrophic economy that he inherited.

gdawg

March 26th, 2010
12:31 pm

Pardon me (before there are bricks sent through my windows). The act doesn’t say you have to get a PARTICULAR KIND/TYPE/BRAND of insurance.

Jess

March 26th, 2010
12:38 pm

Reality,

Afraid your numbers are pure fiction.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
12:40 pm

I think Afghanistan was valid, never sure of Iraq after the missing WMDs and said so at the time…and I was an Army Officer who studied wars of insurgency a lot.. That said, I think this swing to the uber liberal side of the Dem party is even more dangerous. Most people are usually somewher in the center, and I am absolutely afraid that Pelosi, Reid, and yes, Obama, are pointing us right toward socialism. I’ve read Karl Marx and his “redistribution of wealth”, and lived long enough to see that it does not work in the real world…people just stop working, content that someone else will pay their way. If this lack of personal accountability and sense that the “governemnt will provide” mentality continues, then this country is doomed. Of that I am certain.

Chris

March 26th, 2010
12:42 pm

Hey Won’t Be Fooled…

keep spewing your nonsense, you will have plenty of time to rest after Nov.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 26th, 2010
12:44 pm

Dear gdawg @ 12:31, your insurance will have to conform to the standards set by the Secretary of Human Services, or you will be subject to the penalty. Doesn’t matter if you don’t want half of the required coverages – you still pay for them.

Virginia

March 26th, 2010
12:50 pm

So Jim, we should let ethics reform in Georgia die on the vine because we’re angry about the Healthcare Bill? Please tell me how that makes any sense? Do they actually PAY you to write this stuff? And Jim there will be no repeal. Yes, please run in November on that, I really can not wait!!
@Dave: you’re wrong about the debt numbers and you know it.
@Vince: it’s not a cogent question.

Barry

March 26th, 2010
12:50 pm

I didn’t check all sources but he cost of “the wars” is about a trillion dollars.

In 2008:
“the amount spent on all military operations, including Afghanistan ($608.8 billion)”
http://www.factcheck.org

Add at least 2 billion a week since 2008, with no end in sight– billion here billion there, black Ops not included – it’s a Trillion!

Rita

March 26th, 2010
12:56 pm

“Newt for pres in 2012 and Paul Ryan for VP, what do you think?”

That’s a dream ticket…for the Democrats. All they have to do is reopen Newt’s marital infidelities and his request for a divorce at his cancer-patient wife’s hospital bed. Americans are a forgiving lot but that stuff is a bit over the top.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
1:09 pm

Rita-

I agree Newt has some baggage, but it didn’t hurt Clinton did it? Newt’s problem would be in the repunlican primary. Certainly Dems wouldn’t hold that against Newt, since Dems believe to live and let live.

JKL2

March 26th, 2010
1:17 pm

The biggest problem with Bush was that he spent too much money. Compassionate conservative is the term form reaching across the aisle and working with the democrats.

Look at funding the war as a stimulus package that actually works. We are supposting our industies, and giving jobs to hundreds of thousands. Most contractors are highly overpaid, but that’s another issue. At least that money is being spent and not just sitting in a bank waiting to be skimmed off the democrats for purposes totally unrelated to what is was supposed to be used for.

Barry

March 26th, 2010
1:19 pm

If republicans ever hope to regain any respect with most working Americans they should accept their own mantra of “individual responsibility”.

Stop repeating the daily GOP talking points and stop trying to label policies you don’t like as socialist or communist, National Health Care being the new “end of life as we know it”. Most working people want it and it’s going to become even more popular when republicans stop lying about all the benefits and cost savings.

Give up the cotton mill mentality – it’s not class warfare to say rich people don’t pay their fair share, it’s just a fact. Most of us pay Social Security Tax on 100% of income, but the rich are capped when they go over the first 100K – even if they make $300 million per year like Rush.

Quit defending the lunatic fringe that has become the public face of the GOP. Stop selling hate and fear 24/7 on Hate Radio and Cable TV. Threats to secede from the Union, repeal and reload and random acts of assault or vandalism make you look more like common thugs, even terrorists. Remember what yo’ Mama said, You are judged by the friends you keep!

JKL2

March 26th, 2010
1:23 pm

ROS

Kept promises? Is there anything that this administration has done without smoke and mirrors?

Pay as you go. Signed a bill and then threw it out the window a month later. What a joke.

Death panels. They have a different name, but they do exist in every socialized healthcare system (like the one you just happily passed) The democrat version will just be called Life panels and that will make it all better.

Tax cuts. They increase government revenue every time they are done. Try to find one example if you don’t believe me. They also stimulate job growth. So once again Obama can’t wait to do something that will hurt our economy. Too bad nobody in the white house has ever had a real job.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
1:30 pm

Barry-

Everything you accuse republicans of, you just did. Come on guy, you can’t even see what you are writing is full of venom and hate. I disagree with 98% of the Obama’s policies. That doesn’t mean I’m “hateful”, it means I think BO and his ilk are simply wrong and their policies are bad for America.

GOP on the Rise

March 26th, 2010
1:32 pm

We won’t be fooled again , your moniker says it all, you have been fooled you just don’t know it… yet… RLOL

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
1:37 pm

BTW Barry, for once I agree with Biden, healthcare passing was a “big @#$%^ deal”. Except not for the good.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
1:45 pm

I see when we win the argument, we are banned….CUT HIS MIC !!!!
ha ha ha ha ha

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
1:49 pm

2 trillion and counting. Free health care for Iraqis = $350 million per year. New schools for Iraq billions. Rebuild THEIR electric grid.l. and on and on. We should be nation building HERE. Our infrastructure crumbles as our middle class is wiped out by greed of the wealthy elite.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
1:55 pm

Wall Street, bankers and the like are vast majority REPUBLICANS. The party of greed. They have never seen a tax cut for wealthy or corporation we couldn’t afford. But, if something benefits the working middle class of America it must be attacked as socialism. It is a matter of priorities.
Money spent on America’s needs is well spent. Farm subsidies should be eliminated. Free market.
No tax breaks for wealthy or businesses UNLESS they invest it in job creation (not minimum wage jobs or jobs in China) We have been trickled on long enough. There are good idea on both sides of the aisle IF they will work together. I have seen zero desire for republicans to work with the elected majority. It is ludicrous for anyone to suggest Obama’s actions were not what he campaigned on and what he was elected by large margins on. America rejected republicans soundly…due to their failure to govern effectively. I know it hurts…but change is gonna come. We demanded it and the democrats will deliver that much needed change. Or as the kindergarten party likes to call it… the “hopey changey”

Reality

March 26th, 2010
2:23 pm

@JKL2 – Done with smoke and mirrors?????? Not sure that I agree with that!

But, whatever you call it, at least the Democrats are doing SOMETHING. What the heck are republicans doing other than saying “no?”

Virginia

March 26th, 2010
2:26 pm

Barry, you said it well!!

Barry

March 26th, 2010
2:28 pm

Hey old soldier – instead of just passing off my points as SSDD – factually point out where I’m incorrect:

• rich people don’t pay their fair share
• Most of us pay Social Security Tax on 100% of our income
• the rich are capped (No SS tax on millions)
• Most working people want (Health Care Reform)
• Newt – is a draft-dodging frat-boy

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
2:55 pm

Vote against the fat cats on Wall St. Vote against the republican party. They are supporting the bankers excessive pay at the cost of the shareholder. They are against reform of banking industry. They are calling the new Pell Grants and student loans a “government takeover” also. In actuality, the government paid banks to administer loans (interest free for banks) for the banks to then charge interest/ make money and THEN charge the government for using OUR money. Sorry , closing that middleman rip off of taxpayer money saves $10 billion dollars per year and that money goes to more student loans/aid. Win /win for the taxpayer as student loans must be repaid. (not allopwed to bankrupt them….wages can be garnished etc. to recoup) Once, again…when the children are sat down in the corner…and the adults handle our nations business, solutions can be found.

Dusty

March 26th, 2010
3:01 pm

Thank you, Jim Wooten, for offering your honest and worthwhile opinion. When the liberals try to wipe you out, you know you have spoken the truth The truth upsets them even when it is backed by facts.

Keep up the good work. We will get this healthcare thing fixed yet. But it won’t be done by brainwashed liberals. They are still venting their 8 year hatred of Bush and Cheney. Obviously, hatred is not good for the mind. The liberals here show us how true that is.

JKL2

March 26th, 2010
3:02 pm

Barry-

Most Americans don’t pay any income tax. Where is the fair share? The top 1% pay 40% of the income tax. Sounds pretty fair.

Most people want healthcare reform. Unfortunately we did nothing to solve the problems. You passed 2900 pages of pork that we will start paying for now but don’t go into effect for 4 years because you had come up with an accounting gimick to say it will be under a $trillion. Using the MA trial program, it will be at least $10 trillion.

You better start letting illegal immigrant billions come into the country because we don’t have enough rich people to cover that one and the bank of China is getting ready to cut us off.

Who cares about Newts military service? John Kerry got a self inflicted splinter in his arm, and wrote up his own purple heart award to get out Vietnam. I guess that’s much better than getting a legal excuse.

JKL2

March 26th, 2010
3:10 pm

Reality (??)

The republicans don’t have any power. How can they be the party of “no” if their oppinions were blatantly ignored and their votes technically didn’t matter?

The only agument was amungst your party members. Their solution was to bribe each other and shove in as much pork as possible. The bill is so large and so full of crap nobody knows what it actually says. Good thing it’s a law now.

Obama said this would be done on C-span so everyone could see. This would not be a 50+1 vote. It is so big that everyone would have to agree on it.

So most of it was written in back rooms where republicans weren’t even allowed to attend. Transparency would not be the term I used.

One thing we agree on

March 26th, 2010
3:13 pm

Cynthia Tucker is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. I was banned from her blogs for no reason. I even defended her against the rabid right repeatedly.

JKL2

March 26th, 2010
3:19 pm

Won’t be fooled (lol)

want do you think caused most of the banking crisis? Maybe the housing debacle? Who caused the housing debacle?

Jimmy Carter with adittional help from Bill Clinton. You can blame Bush if you want for not repealling all that stupid crap.

Bush did a terrible thing with the Tarp bailout. So what is Obama’s solution? Add a second bad program (stimulus) and a third (jobs (lol)). The only good thing is that the third wasn’t anything like the $700B they initially proposed.

Good thing that we still have a couple hundred Billion in the tarp fund that we needed to borrow this other $trillion. Oh, that hasn’t been spent yet either(so much for actually efffecting anything).

Even the money that the banks in tarp repaid was then illegally to other pork by Obama. Good thing he works for the government because if he was a civilian he would be in jail for the way is running his business.

Wake up

March 26th, 2010
3:19 pm

@JKL2 Accept the reality that Obama was elected by a MAJORITY. Democrats were elected by a MAJORITY. They have no obligation to include the republicans in anything. Republicans were soundly rejected. All attempts to be bipartisan were rejected for the “Hell No” attitude. Republicans have stomped and cried for 2 years now tryint to subvert the will of the American people, expressed Nov. 5, 2008. That is the only poll that counts. The tiny minority does not have the “right” to roadblock the changes America voted for- one of which was health care reform, promised and delivered by President Obama and all democrats who campaigned in 2008. We rejected the failed ideology and governance of the “conservative” movement. A bowel movement is more productive

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
3:25 pm

Just got back to the office Barry, I appreciate the compliment, old soldier, better than being a young soldier in the grave for defending your right to be stupid. Now to your points.

Taxs- Top 1% pay 40% of taxes, top 50% pay 98% of taxes, what’s your beef?

Social security taxes- Wealthly are capped, ok at the level they pay, even though capped they will pay in far more than they will ever receive in benefits. For them to pay more is income redistribution, is that what you favor?

Most working people want health care reform- I agree, just not Obamacare. Show where I am wrong.

Newt and draftdodging- If you are a draftdodger that means the government sent you a draft notice and you used illegal means not to be drafted. No proof of that. Clinton came close. If you mean Newt used legal means, i.e. college deferment/family/ etc. I sure he did. So did I until I went back to college and earned my degree and commission in ROTC. Nothing illegal or immoral with that. Next?

And what was your service?

Reality

March 26th, 2010
3:25 pm

@JLK2: YOUR party has offered nothing close to a compromise. All they have offered is their same extreme right wing crap and then have said “no.”

Example 1: The repubicans wanted limits on lawsuits for malpractice. President Obama said, okay, if we add it to the bill THEN will you vote for it? They said no.

Example 2: The republicans offered an amendment to the reconcilliation bill that requires doctors that prescribe viagra to do a legal background check on the patients. Huh? Like that will decrease healthcare cost?

Wake up

March 26th, 2010
3:25 pm

JKL2. The stock market was crashing, Wall Street bail outs had begun, banks were failing, jobs were laying off en masse when Obama took office as a result of your guys’ actions. You always try to go way back to Carter and Clinton to find excuses for the failures of the republican policies and President. Republicans de-regulated the banks (Glass Steagall Act repealed by repubs)
Despite your party causing the problem, blaming them on Obama, then lying ,distorting and fear mongering, President Obama has stabilized the economy, stock market has risen sharply and the ship is being righted. Only time will tell if these efforts will be successful but this much is true…
America gave republicans a long time at the helm and they FAILED MISERABLY.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
3:27 pm

Fooled-

Do some research and look at the campaign donation from wall street. You’ll see more went to the Dems than Reps. That changed under Clinton. Reps are the party of small business not Wall St. anymore. Do your homework.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
3:30 pm

That’s right reality.
Republicans “offered” ammendments to try to slow the work of the Senate and to temper tantrum once again. They put a vote on Viagra to sex offenders as an ammenment so they later can falsely claim democrats “voted to allow sex offenders Viagra” in their health care bill. The party of “hell no”
has no limit to the depths they will slither to try to regain power. Their ideas are bankrupt….like our nation after they did what Al Gore warned America they would do in 2000, “run our economy into a ditch” Al Gore was right when he predicted that would be the result of the wreckless tax cuts and increased spending. Just 8 years later and he was proven right. We won’t be fooled again, republicans

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
3:31 pm

Wake up-

We are only trying to hold BO to the standard he set for himself during the campaign. Are you that blind?

JKL2

March 26th, 2010
3:33 pm

Economics 101

The government recieves it’s money from the people. Any dollar we give them is one less dollar you have in your pocket. If you don’t have any money, you can’t buy anything. If nobody is going to buy anything, you have no reason to start a business. If the government is going to take all your profits, you have no reason to start a business.

A job with the government (16k new IRS agents) takes money out of peoples pockets. Anything the government spends takes money out of peoples pockets. Everything this administration has done so far has been detrimental to job creation.

Tax cuts have increased government revenues every time they have been applied. Guess what another $10 trillion in debt and extreme tax increases are going to do for our ability to pay our debt?

The great depression was caused by high taxes from Hoover and government spending by FDR. If Obama is looking to be remembered as the Grestest Depression president he is doing a good job of following the playbook.

China has 200M middle class. The problem is the 1.4B living in poverty to support them. The goal should be to raise the lower classes by making them better, not turn the rich into middle class by stealing all their money.

Read “the ten men who went to diner” fable and see how close we are to the rich guy not showing up.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
3:35 pm

After only 8 years in power in Georgia, Sonny Purdue and the republican party has left this state with the highest unemployment in state history, and budget deficits as far as the eye can see. Meanwhile they have ignored transportation issues and infrastructure crumbles.

Reality

March 26th, 2010
3:37 pm

@Retired Soldier 3:25

You really need to stop getting your numbers/data from FOX news. The top most wealthy people pay very little in the way of income taxes. Warren Buffet paid 19% last year, for example. Even I paid more than 19%! The most wealthy people have many more options to shelter their money and to avoid Mr. IRS.

By the way, our founding fathers (to include those that first crafted income tax) did not call it “redistribution of wealth” but rather they called it “paying their fair share.” Those with more money can more easily afford more. Those with less money cannot afford as much. That likely is too logical for you to understand.

Regarding your “Obamacare” comment… I am still waiting for one of you that use that term to define it for me. If you cannot specifically tell me what it is, then stop using that term. From everything that I have heard people say, the current Healthcare Reform Law addresses their concerns and wants and needs.

And no, I did not serve in the military. I chose to not shower with thousands of other naked men.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
3:38 pm

They tell us whether or not we can buy alcohol on Sundays, like we are children….when they are the ones who behave like children….food fight in Congress yet? Lord knows they look like kindergarteners in Congress. They try to over rule states rights concerning medical marijuana…want the federal government to intervene. What about the “states’ rights” you talk about? hypocrites…only when it suits you

Reality

March 26th, 2010
3:40 pm

@JKL2 LOL!! OMG!! Okay, rarely do I call anyone names, but dude, you are just an idiot. You said….

“Tax cuts have increased government revenues every time they have been applied. Guess what another $10 trillion in debt and extreme tax increases are going to do for our ability to pay our debt?”

So then, by your logic, if the government totally eliminates all taxes, then the government will be the most wealthy? Really?

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
3:43 pm

After 15 months in office BO has created the highest unemployment since the great Depression while not addressing Gitmo or terroist trials. Brillent Fooled

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
3:48 pm

Reality-

The top 1% pay into the government 40% of all taxes the government collects. Can you understand that?

Our founding fathers discussed the income tax? Did you ever take
history? They never dreamed the federal government would tax that way and look at the constitution and the amendments, that will tell you when income started. Please

I never bathed w/ thousands either. That’s your excuse for not serving your country? That’s Sham WOW

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
3:49 pm

Reality-

Have you ever considered the deficts were caused by to much spending? Mull that one over.

Jess

March 26th, 2010
3:50 pm

Won’t be fooled,

Take a peak at the other 49 states unemployment rate. They all have the same problem. This is not a Purdue issue.

And your statement about state budjet deficits is flat wrong. The state, unlike the federal govt., has to balance it’s budjet by law. That means there is no deficit.

Perhaps you were just ill informed. Let’s just say that.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
3:53 pm

@retired. You know what you say is not true but say it anyway. It’s part of the republicans’
“right to lie” stance.
BO “created” the highest unemployment….as though the meltdown of our economy had not already begun BEFORE Obama took office. Remember old man McCain “suspended” his campaign to fly to Washington (via CBS Evening News interview) to deal with the economic collapse resulting from Lehman’s failure and the Wall St panick and worldwide market collapses and losses.
Must be reading those Texas textbooks early… Naw, just regurgitaing your Fox News lies.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
3:57 pm

Fooled, should be foolish, I said that tongue in check. Perdue is no more to blame for the unemployment than BO is. Think it thru before you strike.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
3:58 pm

Has the budget been balanced yet? how many more school closings and teachers’ lay offs, firefighters and police let go before it is “balanced” Yes, across the country, states are reeling, the economy is reeling from the weight of the FAILED republican policies….Cut taxes, increase spending and entitlements, and conduct 2 wars/occupations/ nation building and free health care, rebuilding, schools for Iraq. Ironic how even as we close schools in America, we are building and opening schools in Iraq. Ironoc how we provide free health care to Iraqis, we rail against health care for Americans ( that we will pay for, not free) is “socialized medicine” and “Armaggedon”
If your side had a shred of evidence supporting their argument, it was blown out of the water by the reality we see today, the result of a failed doctrine known as “conservatism”

Reality

March 26th, 2010
4:01 pm

@RetiredSoldier 3:43
President Obama is already in the process of closing Gitmo. What is your problem? Did you not know that or are you trying to not only change the past but also the present?

President Obama did not “create” the currently unemployed. As you repubs always say – it takes 4 years in office to change the mess from the previous president. And, you give Obama a little more than a year? Yes, he is good – but not THAT good!

In case you forgot, the unemployment was in the process of exploding WHEN President Obama was elected. But, I guess you blame that on him as well?

Reality

March 26th, 2010
4:04 pm

@RetiredSoldier 3:48

Again I ask – where do you get your information? What VALID source says that about the top 1%? If you cannot reveal a source, then all we can do is KNOW that you are blowing it out of your a$$.

If you go back and read what I posted (maybe more slowly this time) I never said that our founding fathers MADE the tax income law. I said that our founding fathers AND those that made the tax laws knew that it was only right for everyone to PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.

Reality

March 26th, 2010
4:06 pm

@RetiredSoldier 3:49

Yes! Something we can agree on! The federal budget deficit was primarily caused by overspending…… by Bush on the Pentagon and the wars he created!

A secondary cause? The tax cuts he gave to the most wealthy.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
4:08 pm

I noticed reality you left the topic of income tax.
4 years before a president gets the blame? ok I’ll bite. Using your rule Bush isn’t responsible for Iraq, 9/11, Afganistan, or the first recession. Got it.

BO said and I paraphrase “Gitmo will be closed in one year after I take office”. oops. That’s like “healthcare will be on CSPAN” oops.

etc, etc, etc Need I go on?

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
4:09 pm

These issues should not be republican or democrat. They should be right and wrong. No matter the party, they should work for a vibrant economy, that is responsible. Capitalism without a conscience….or greed run amok is just as destructive asa “lazy”, “socialist” system.
America will not survive without a strong, vibrant middle class. Short-sighted profit making, and risk taking at our expense is unforgivable. We currently have a system that privatizes profits and socializes the losses. We pay for the greed and speculation of the fat cats on Wall Street. Guess what party the VAST MAJORITY of them belong to? You guessed it….rebublican

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
4:10 pm

Reality-

You have never heard me defend Bush on his budget deficts. Bush was wrong, just as BO is today.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
4:11 pm

Fooled—go home and do your homework assignment. Stop making foolish comments in public. I have faith you can do better young man.

Reality

March 26th, 2010
4:12 pm

@RetiredSoldier 3:57

Wow. You are really something (not in a good way). You said, “Perdue is no more to blame for the unemployment than BO is.”

Does that mean that you have changed your mind and that President Obama is NOT to blame for the unemployment? You just posted a few minutes ago that Obama WAS to blame. Will you please make up your lies and STICK WITH THEM?

There is a difference between Perdue and Obama. President Obama has been in office a little over one year. Perdue has been in office for two terms. Perdue has had much more time to screw things up – and screw things up he has!

GA high in unemployment
GA low in education (and he want to slash it more)
He wants to waste money to sue for the Healthcare reform
He signs into law that guns are okay in bars (really – lets mix alcohol and guns)
He signs into law that guns are okay in church (really)

He has been the worst Governor in the over 40 years I’ve been on this Earth!

Barry

March 26th, 2010
4:14 pm

You said Retired – I assumed old – my bad.

Back in the day – they were drafting 60,000 a month. In my family, waiting to be drafted was considered unacceptable, maybe even cowardly. I volunteered and was sworn in Aug ‘66, less than a week after my 18th birthday. I don’t wear my service on my sleeve in a blog.

Just because it was legal to avoid the draft – No Way That Makes It Honorable!

Your draft-dodgers buddies had other priorities -
Dick Cheney, Newt Gingrich, Saxby Chambliss, Jeb Bush, John Ashcroft, Mitch McConnell, Karl Rove, Richard Shelby, Bill Bennett, Rudy Giuliani, Rush Limbaugh, Neil Boortz , Sean Hannity, the list goes on forever….

George W. Bush: Texas Air Nat. Guard (in ’68 you had to be really rich and/or well connected to even get in a Guard unit); skipped duty; didn’t take flight physical (Coincidentally at the same time mandatory drug testing started); and was suspended from flying.

Some really honorable men you have on your side!

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
4:15 pm

The “free market” doesn’t pay an Am radio personality hundreds of millions of dollars per year.
But a corrupt system, financed by big corporations pays for the free programming provided for their puppets….Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck and Sean Hannity does.
Many of you get your daily motivation from overweight drug addicts.
Why do you want to listen to someone who brags that what he says will “pi$$ you off” ?
What are you so angry about? You had your way…it failed…move on

Reality

March 26th, 2010
4:17 pm

@RetiredSoldier 4:08
Um, no. I haven’t left the topic of income tax. As I posted at 4:04 I am waiting for you to share where you get your numbers!

Regarding Gitmo – Let me understand. You are upset that President Obama is closing Gitmo 3 months later than promised? Really? Bush did all of his CRAP that doesn’t upset you, but THAT upsets you? Really?

Regarding Healthcare – I do think that President Obama was sincere during his campaign to put the Healthcare discussions on CSPAN. What he did not count on was the extreme partisan politics that made it impossible. Again, THAT is what upsets you?

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
4:17 pm

Preach it Brother Barry. Harry Truman said it best. We don’t “give ‘em hell, just tell the truth and it seems like hell”

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
4:19 pm

No that is what Fox News tells him he is supposed to be upset about. I’m still waiting….Armaggedon??? Better start barricading and stockpiling supplies…..ha ha ha ha

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
4:19 pm

reality- I said that tongue in check, I don’t blame Perdue or BO for the current unemployment

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
4:22 pm

Barry, why no Clinton or any other Dem. Many used the system, it was legal and they, Dems and Reps should be given the benefit of doubt. Open up your big soft heart and forgive all who haven’t served.

Reality

March 26th, 2010
4:24 pm

@RetiredSoldier 4:19
Well, I do blame Perdue. As I’ve said, he has been in office for 2 years – that includes when times were “good.” If he had managed this State well…

First of all, he would have had a rainy day fund like some other States have. In good times, wise people save money and set it aside to only use when times are bad.

Second of all, he would have lured in more diverse companys and businesses to the State to minimize economic down turns. He has done very very little to lure anyone to this State.

Third, he would help people that are unemployed become retrained to help them find another job. This means to make higher education more affordable so people can change careers to find work. Instead, he is slashing education budgets at the worst possible time.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
4:25 pm

reality-

Just holding BO to the standard he set for himself. Were the doors open to the press when the LA purchase was agreed to? Or and of those other sweetheart deals. Please!

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
4:28 pm

That is what really disgusted me about W. After 911, he had worldwide and here, bipartisan support. He quickly used that to campaign for republicans, saying democrats were friends of the terrorists and using photos of bin Laden to attack an honorable man, Max Cleland. Chambliss was a 5 time deferment draft dodger also. The whole lot of the chicken hawks talk tough on terrorism and military, but they cowered in fear when the sh*t hit the fan in Vietnam. Bush cowered in fear when we were under attack. He and Cheney stayed holed up in a bunker longer than bin Laden. DISGUSTING. After that, I never again gave Bush an ounce of respect. Then the attack on the Dixie Chicks for exercising their FREE SPEECH that we supposedly have….when they dared say they wre “embarrassed to be from the same state” WOW…that was a big attack on Bush by girls….girls
had to be cut down for their speech…boycotted for not “supporting the President and our troops”
“criticizing the President in a time of war” Did I miss something? Are we no longer at war?
Yet they attack viciously and relentlessly… socialist, marxist, muslim, terrorist, no birth certificate
and the lies are unending. What I love is that the poetic justice of their creating a fake “News” organization/ network of “conservatives” and that is leading them off a cliff with their outrageous lies and activities. They are a victim of their own sword. ha ha ha

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
4:28 pm

You know guys, its friday. I’m out of here. All I get is Chris I have a tickle up my leg talking points. This isn’t fun any more.

Call me all the names you want kind sweet Libs, I won’t be reading them.

Reality

March 26th, 2010
4:29 pm

@RetiredSoldier 4:25
Huh? You are starting to make no sense. Every “sweet heart deal” was removed in the final bill that has become LAW. That includes the MO deal.

Anyway, I am off to the gym. I really hope that you gain more real information to form better opinions and stop listening to FOX news so much.

By the way – you never have shared where you got your tax data from. So, I can only assume that you made them up. And, that is the likely answer.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
4:32 pm

Have a good weekend, McCain…. Get off my lawn !!!

Chris Broe

March 26th, 2010
4:55 pm

Point of order: Nobody will waste time reading anymore than a twitter-length comment.

We read so much all day long. Most of it is edited to 25 words or less. Gee, I wonder who came up with THAT idea?

Try to edit yourself. Get rid of any emotional asides. Name calling won’t get you a fan base. Not at all. Nobody trusts the invective anymore. That was the nineties. We’ve moved on. Yeah, I care that you think I’m a moron. Just get to the point.

Otherwise, chatrooms always devolve into r-words calling each other i-words.

Fact, Jack.

Jklol

Peter

March 26th, 2010
4:55 pm

Jim, the Right has made up Wars and created the need for change…….. give it up you are acting like a dinosaur.

Cry babies like McCain,are exactly why you lost the last election. Anyone from your party who will not work to benefit the country is a Terrorist.

Peg

March 26th, 2010
5:48 pm

I am so tired of watching people in this country go without food, clothing and medical treatment because they can’t afford it. We are….now wait a minute…..we have a country with some of the richest people in the world. Their excess wealth could fund the healthcare program in one year. What a wonderful thought. To have everyone covered and able to seek and receive health services.

But instead those same people who sold the mortgages to people who should never have bought houses with their measly incomes. Those same people who drove wall street into the ground and caused business all over this country to have to lay of millions from their jobs. Those same people who get their briefs couriered to the court-house, cars wax, children cared for, lawns cut, plumbing repaired, additions built by the poor refuse us healthcare.

It is time that the poor say enough. It is time to wage war. In a perfect world every individual who earns under $50,000 a year should stay home. Stay home for two weeks and make it cost the wealthy for their ignorance. They can’t run their businesses without us. And yet we won’t, because we are poor. There is no unity in being poor. The poor can’t pick up the slack for another poor family because they don’t have it. The poor are tired of the struggle and therefore cautions to fight. And the wealthy know it. They are tyrants. They are equivalent to the same people who we left europe for and came to this country to get away from. They are no better than the slave owners that we did battle with during the civil war to end. It was about money then and it is still about money at the expense of other today.

Our society has not improved in the least over the years. It is no longer about Black and White. It is about the haves and have not’s.

I will do my best to do all I can to see that not another republican gets re-elected in this country. Yes I am only one. But I am one with a very big voice!!!

Georgian

March 26th, 2010
6:59 pm

Do you find it odd that the Republican lawmakers in Georgia want to spend energy suing over the Health Care Reform law, but they don’t take the time to tackle the over 12% unemployment in Georgia They won’t tackle the problem that companies are leaving Georgia in droves and none are replacing them. They will not tackle the problem that Georgia’s students are ranked third from the bottom in the nation in education. They will not tackle the problem of the banking industry, where Georgia had more banks to fail than any state in the country. They will not tackle the real estate market, where Georgia is ranked 3rd highest in foreclosures in the country.

Let’s see, they want to sue over the Health Care Reform Bill because it mandates that people have health insurance or pay a fine. How much of your tax money goes to Grady Memorial Hospital to cover the uninsured? How much goes to your county hospitals to pay for the uninsured? Most of all how much of your health insurance premiums go to pay for the unisured? So, my fellow Georgians you are already paying for the insured in Georgia. Free Clinics of Georgia said there are 1.8 million uninsured people in Georgia. Let’s not forget the illegal aliens that go to the emergency rooms and must be treated at your expense.

Let’s not forget practically every county, city and the State of Georgia have a budget deficit.

I guess the Republicans do not have a problem with Massachusetts Health Care Reform Bill mandating the residents have health insurance and has the public option. Could it be because it was a Conservative White Republican Governor in Massachusetts, so all is right because he is WHITE?

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
7:21 pm

Well, it seems that in most cases, that republicans “were for it before they were against it”
They run from their own ideas they proposed, if Obama supports it… (deficit commission and 200 repub amendments in health care bill)

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
7:23 pm

Well Sarah Palin confirmed today what we already knew. Republicans are “the party of hell no ! ”
says Sarah

ObamaCare Hell No

March 26th, 2010
8:37 pm

Repeal and replace!

JKL2

March 27th, 2010
7:47 am

Barry

The men you claim were “draft dodgers” have one thing in common. They all have serve their country honorably in the government.

You are now supporting socialist, communist and marxist who are trying to destroy our life as we know it. Which is worse?

A disappointed American

March 27th, 2010
10:00 am

I used to vote for the person, regardless of party. To folks like RAS posting above, I am one of many who are very concerned over both the takover tactics, and, the arrogance of our President and his party. I’ve seen many posts, one very striking, in New York of all places, where a female, a democrat, was vowing to never vote again for a democrat. I stand with her, and many others. Folks like RAS can rant and rave all they want. This bill needs to be repealed, and, then taken on soundly. I believe the Republicans will have no choice but to act, and to do so responsibly, on health care when they return to a majority status. And, they will. Obama will not be re-elected. The state of Georgia should sue, whether we like laws or not we MUST abide by our constitution. States like SC are making Obamacare a ballot referendum. Obama is a divider, and, treats our Constitituion like yesterday’s newspaper. He also conducts himself like a school yard BMOC, rather than a statesman (ex. his “Armegideon” line). He is slick though, postponing the budget breaking aspects of his “reform” until after his re-election. Even moderate dems and independents know the states can’t afford to pay the tab for medicare that was cut in Obamacare. The American citizenry will not stand for this. Its time to find a statesman, not a progressive schoolyard bully with no regard for the Constitition. I will never again vote for a democrat. That doesn’t make me a racist, before any of you call me one . . . that makes me an American who desires fiscally responsible government and who believes those who are able should take care of themselves. I will work hard to elect those who want to repeal Obamacare, and, I will support those who challenge the healthcare “reform” on constititional grounds. I hope the dems keep screaming, and name calling, like RAS above, he/she is only helping the cause to put America on a responsible path.

A disappointed American

March 27th, 2010
10:08 am

Peg, I appreciate your passion, and, respect your voice. I also repsect that your pasot was intelligent and lacking of what appears in many liberal posts. I would respond however, by saying that if it weren’t for those “rich” people who own the businesses, I wouldn’t have a job. And because of Obamacare, my benefits will be getting cut. You are mad at the wrong people . . . without folks being willing to invest, and create jobs, folks like me are in trouble. CBO projected that by 2020 entitlements will consume 97% of our tax revenue. One of Obama’s “pet” companies, CAT, is now claiming Obamacare will cost their employees both jobs and benefits, to the tune of hundreds of millions. Thanks for your honest, thoughtful post. I respectfully reply however that if you want opportunity for the poor you are looking the wrong direction. Obama wants to create dependence, not opportunity.

jopar

March 27th, 2010
10:30 am

Even the republicans acknowledge that the healthcare genie will never see the inside of the bottle again.Get over it. Prepare for your precious mid-terms to be a re-affirmation of President Obama’s election.
Hate and fear and greed and lies ain’t cuttin’ it anymore.

A disappinted American

March 27th, 2010
11:09 am

“Hate and fear and greed and lies ain’t cutting it anymore.”

I agree JOPAR, that’s why Obama will be soundly defeated in 2012.

I also agree that when the Republicans take the house and senate again, which they will, that they will have to do something with healthcare, it will be more responsible than Obamacare, but I agree, they will have to do something.

America’s socialists are coming home to roost and the vast majority are opposed to socialism.

There is good in Obamacare, it will force us to kick the dems out and do healthcare right.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 27th, 2010
1:42 pm

After reading Peg’s post, I now understand that leftists believe their perception of unfairness justifies theft of other people’s property.

David B.

March 27th, 2010
11:16 pm

Ragnar, you sound like a toddler who didn’t get his way, much like most of the GOP and their followers – the ones whining in public, that is. I suspect many are embarrassed for their party since the crazies have taken the stage. The Democrats won the election, have a majority, and are doing what they think is best for this country, much like Bush and the Republicans did the past eight years. Don’t like it? That’s the way the cookie crumbles.

ken jefferson

March 28th, 2010
9:04 am

i see alot of talk on how great this healthcare bill will be. but just remember international companies are no going to do buisiness where they cant make good profits. they will downsize and eventually go away. dem or rep no good choice there take money from working folks and give it away. thats both of there mottos we need less goverment to be a healthy country. for all you dems screaming foul just remember the pillaging of social security funds so now its future is iffy. what makes you think healthcare funds will be safe from any political parties over spending budget quick fixes. we as americans need to stop looking for the free ride. and health insurance is for financial protection from from financial ruin not so you can run to the doctor anytime you have a sniffle or sneez. something for nothing thats the way we are headed as a country no one is stopping you from going to the doctor alot of the people who a yelling the loudest can afford cell phones, cars,new tv’s, ipods and all other kinds of luxery items but they cant seem to afford 85 dollars for a doctor visit. thats a personal choice not a national problem. get over yourselves national healthcare as well as most other goverment programs are not and cannot be cost effective due to overspending and political back patting on the financial side.the one question everybody needs to ask is “how much of my paycheck do other people deserve or earn?” and the answer is”what i want to give not what i am forced to give”

ken jefferson

March 28th, 2010
9:21 am

and by the way unemployment is not a goverment problem they cant fix that anymore than they can fix higher fuel costs. look at cach for clunkers as an economic stimulant it did nothing but increase national debt. i dont know the exact numbers but each 4500 dollar check the gov wrote it cost the people of this country at least 10 times as much.again goverment need s to keep out of the financial sector. democrats and republicans are equally responsible for our economic crissis. stop spending and start saving. i was laid off 4 months after i bought my new home. i lived off my savings untill i found another job its still a struggle but i am making it, and i stiil have my house 2 years later. why because i live well below my income and i save as much as i can. try not spending for a while and see how much better off you are in the money department. the american dream is now get it now pay for it later. that doesnt work thats why the economy sucks. dont blame goverment for your financial problems they didnt make you live above your means.you did that all by yourself. problem is they want to spend your money the same way you do, and they dont want to save any either.

Proud to be Anti-Dem

March 28th, 2010
10:52 am

The people in this post dancing and smiling and (being highly immature) makes me so very proud I moved out of my downtown condo in Atlanta and got the hell out of that piss infested Obama loving cest pool. You can have your Grady Hospital, your medicaid, and food stamps. I choose to live where people have dignity and class – instead of looking for someone to hand them something for free so they can stay in their government assisted homes, yet have a Cadillac out front. You’re a disgrace to this country for prancing around supporting this reform – most of which you know nothing about. Your day is coming to where you’re no longer dance.

imgibson

March 28th, 2010
3:24 pm

I’m so tired of you stupid, idiotic Republican sheep. I can guarantee you’ve read nothing you’re just spouting what your heros, Rush and Beck say. Everyone is so afraid of so called “socialism” while the health care insurers allow people to die everyday for profits. History has proven the ignorant are always afraid of change and obviously we have more than our share in this country. How can every civilized country in the world except the US be so wrong in offering universal health care.Funny they seem to be doing just fine and if you bothered to read anything you would see the tax rates aren’t that different. Arrogance and stupidity will be the downfall of this country not Socialism.

I voted for Healthcare Reform

March 28th, 2010
5:18 pm

Jim..why didn’t you comment on the lack of what the state legislature has done by cross over day.

American Spirit

March 28th, 2010
5:56 pm

Educate yourselves people, before its too late. I implore each one of you to actually READ the “health” bill and see for yourself what all it contains BESIDES health care reform. We have sold our birthright for a pittance. The Patriot Act was passed by Republicans. Health care “reform” was passed by Democrats. Just know that, while you are at your front door talking with the Republicans (the distraction), the Democrats are sneaking in your back door to rob you blind. They are working together to systematically DESTROY this country (our rights and freedoms). Learn what the real issues are. While we are all sitting here demeaning each other because the Government, with media in their back pocket, keeps us, the citizens divided against each other, they are laughing and partying behind closed doors, we are being harvested for their gain. Stop calling each other names. Let’s work together to defeat the tyranny. None of us should be Republicans or Democrats. We ARE Americans! If we are not very careful, one day we will wake up and wonder “what have we done?”

SOUTHGADAWG88

March 28th, 2010
7:23 pm

Instead of getting caught up in partisan publicity stunts we should all pay close attention to the results achieved by the people we vote into office.It doesn’t matter if you are Republican or Democrat… take a long look at the performance of the person who represents you.. whether it be state or federal elected officials.If they are not getting the job done vote them out…don’t just vote the party line..I think the Nov election results are going to be shocking…no not a Republican comeback… but the kicking out of incumbents from both parties all across the country.For too long serious issues in this country have been marginalized by the political “theater” antics from both parties.Instead of coming up with ideas to effectively deal with issues ..both parties seem more interested in pursuing games of “Tit for Tat” in the media.Sound bites and grandstanding are more important in today’s politics than sound policy decisions.The older you become,, the more it becomes apparent that ..politicians are more interested in getting re-elected and acquiring the favor of their party’s leadership than what’s in the best interest of their constituents.It seems like it’s never going to stop and now that the amount of money thrown at these people by “lobbyist” …have reached historic levels… I wonder if there are any other way of addressing this situation ..besides banning lobbying of elected officials altogether or imposing term limits on all offices.

MindenNevada

March 28th, 2010
8:15 pm

I got here from Yahoo News, and I want to say that both the article and the comments are much more intelligent than what i usually find on corporate media sites.

None of the Above

March 30th, 2010
9:11 am

Jim buddie…
Thanks for your opinion. For some reason I sense that your arm has been twisted real hard for you to script the words. Election day might prove you wrong. Fear mongering and spins won’t work. There are many who are waiting to vote and prove you wrong.

Tracey

March 30th, 2010
1:07 pm

Reality: That’s because most of those making over $200,000 a year are people who file personal returns for their small business. You know small business? The force in this country that supplies 70% of the jobs that people work. Well if the cuts go away do you know what the small business owner will do? He will lay off workers. Now before you snark on the evil small business owner I have a question for you? are you ready?

If you worked 80 hours a week to run a small business that you owned and that provided your livelihood, would you do so without getting any income? Wouldn’t you try to provide for your family? It’s your job. You work for yourself. Why shouldn’t you make moeny???? I don’t know anyone who starts a business who doesn’t want to make a profit. YOU have to provide for your family but you are an evil small business owner who lays off workers because you want tax cuts.

As for corporations. If we tax them with the health care monstrosity law do you know what they will do? they will lay off people and cut services to retirees and eventually all their employees will go to govt health plans administered by a government that has never effectively run anything well!!! Where do you expect people to work if you take away tax cuts benefitting small business owners and tax large corporations with this monstrosity of a health bill?

Both of these things will kill jobs.

G Cancryn

March 30th, 2010
1:10 pm

HEY WOOTEN DON’T DO METH ONCE NOT EVEN ONCE

Chris Broe

March 30th, 2010
9:00 pm

Lots of new pundits commenting here. (sure).

Welcome to Cabbage Town.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 30th, 2010
9:12 pm

Dear David @ 11:16 on 3/27, suggest you check your dictionary for “humor.” Clearly unfamiliar to you, a common malady of our leftist friends.

Trying Hard Not To Laugh

April 1st, 2010
12:14 am

Among the other parts of Govt. 101 Wooten keeps forgetting is that Congress has the sole right to frame taxation. The individual mandate is tax credits and penalties and totally within the purview of congress. Probably a great fundraiser; but legally, logically, factually and constitutionally a non-starter.

Repeal is impossible as well. Requires 2/3 majority in both houses and the signature of the president. Apparently Republicans have been drinking Rush’s bathwater again.

Actually enjoy watching R’s making fools of themselves. I draw the line at presuming they have the right to spend my tax dollars to do it.

Trying Hard Not To Laugh

April 1st, 2010
12:47 am

Arrogant folks invariably trip up over details. The target of all the Republican fury is actually a Republican idea. Amazing how embarassing ignorance can become.

In 1994, Sens. Chuck Grassley and Orrin Hatch authored a house resolution to counter the Clinton health plan. It called for an individual mandate to purchase health insurance. Apparently it wasn’t unconstitutional then.

Approximately 20 years earlier, that well known socialist Richard M. Nixon included an employer mandate in his health care plan. Sadly many of his ideas were defeated then and ignored today.

noah holden

April 1st, 2010
2:21 pm

Wait till 201and see what is coming down the pike in taxes .In 2012 you will have to pay 150 to 250 dollars depending on your age a month.And then go look at the farm bill pasted last year you have to pay a 5% tax when you sale your home or have work done all for your health care. Look at the Washington Times and Farm Bill hr875. Hope we have change in our pockets in the end.

Eli Jones

June 1st, 2010
3:09 pm

“THE OBAMASPILL”

When “The Obamaspill” first occurred, Obama should have utilized every means possible to stop the massive oil ecological disaster. Obama was very busy at that time planning how to shove his next piece of Marxist Change down our throats so he was super slow in his response! Precious time was lost while Obama slouched! In the year of our lord “1993″, the Saudi’s used super tankers to clean up their massive 1993 Persian gulf oil spill with great results. The tankers sucked up the Saudi oil while it was still out at sea and removed it. Now The Gulf Of Mexico oil is destroying our beaches and marshes. Obama could have stopped it before it got to the shoreline by mobilizing those super tankers. As I said the Saudi’s did it 17 years ago! “The Obamaspill” is the worst oil spill the USA has ever had! It is sad for the Gulf Of Mexico, Planet Earth, & us that Obama was so indecisive on this catastrophe of Biblical proportions! ………………………………………………………………………………………………..
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THE SAUDI PERSIAN GULF OIL SPILL:

(May 14) — Even as proposals pour in for cleaning up the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, one veteran of a massive (and secret) crude spill in the Persian Gulf says he has a tried-and-true solution.

Now if only the people who could make it happen would return his calls.

“No one’s listening,” says Nick Pozzi, who was an engineer with Saudi Aramco in the Middle East when he says an accident there in 1993 generated a spill far larger than anything the United States has ever seen.

Eric Gay, AP
A shrimp boat collects oil with booms in the waters of Chandeleur Sound, La., on May 5. An engineer who witnessed a crude spill in the Persian Gulf in 1993 says BP should use a fleet of empty supertankers to suck crude off the water’s surface.

According to Pozzi, that mishap, kept under wraps for close to two decades and first reported by Esquire, dumped nearly 800 million gallons of oil into the Persian Gulf, which would make it more than 70 times the size of the Exxon Valdez spill.

But remarkably, by employing a fleet of empty supertankers to suck crude off the water’s surface, Pozzi’s team was not only able to clean up the spill, but also salvage 85 percent of the oil, he says.

“We took null out of the water so it would save the environment off the Arabian Gulf, and then we put it into tanks until we could figure out how to clean it,” he told AOL News.

While BP, the oil giant at the center of the oil spill, works to stanch the leak from the sunken Deepwater Horizon rig, Pozzi insists the company should be following his lead.

FOR MORE ON THE SAUDI OIL SPILL GO TO THIS SITE BELOW:

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/could-cleanup-fix-for-gulf-oil-spill-lie-in-secret-saudi-disaster/19476863