Vote out Left, repeal health law

Thinking Right’s weekend free-for-all. Pick a topic:

● With health care, the Left has taken this country where the center-right majority ain’t. There will be a price to pay on Election Day in November and in 2012. Then repeal.

● With or without Georgia Attorney General Thurbert Baker, a candidate for governor, the state should join states in challenging the just-passed mandate that people be forced to buy health insurance. The feds’ constitutional authority to regulate interstate commerce does not extend to forcing individuals to buy specific products, state AGs contend.

● Yes, ethics reform in Georgia is vital. But it does feel kind of silly to be freaking out over who buys a politician lunch when the dishonesties inherent in the just-passed health care bill — the phony numbers, the tricks to hide taxes, the double-counting of higher Medicare taxes — are so profoundly dishonest that they’d be prosecutable in the private sector. There’s such a despicable double standard between what politicians do and what they rail about and prosecute in the private sector.

● When gender trumps, you get the results that we saw in the Georgia State Senate’s odd-duck pairing of State Sens. Renee Unterman (R-Buford) and Nan Orrock (D-Atlanta) to table SB 407, which would allow Georgians to cross state lines to buy health insurance — an essential element of any conservative health care reform. By shopping across state lines, consumers can buy the coverage they want, rather than the coverage mandated by politicians. House and Senate women argued that would be detrimental to their gender.

● Good grief, man, don’t be telling people that the 1.45 percent tax on hospital revenues that Gov. Sonny Perdue has proposed and that the Legislature is about to accept won’t be added to the pills and bills of paying patients. The tax — politicians call it a fee — “has to come through the efficiencies of the hospitals” and “cannot be passed on to patients,” said the good conservative Republican, state Rep. Jimmy Pruett of Eastman. Yes and those hidden $20 billion in taxes on medical equipment contained in the Washington health care bill are gonna be eaten by goblins before they get passed through to the rest of us.

● The Market Bulletin published by the state Department of Agriculture for 93 years is a Georgia treasure. Though its content does occasionally promote the boss, it’s largely nonpolitical. Cost to produce is $774,000 annually. It goes twice monthly to 130,000 people who request it. Cost-cutting conservatives are proposing a $10 subscription charge, which is expected to cut circulation in half. I’d pay the $10 and can’t in good conscience argue against it. It’s a legitimate user fee. But I’d rather pay $20 and have it sent free to those whose income is less than $35,000 per year.

● James Kau, a real estate professor at UGA’s Terry College of Business, makes a compelling argument in last Sunday’s AJC that government bailouts “reward negative outcomes and mediocre choices” in home buying and lead to “further mortgage defaults and cries for more bailouts. Bailouts are nothing more than a politically-based catastrophic solution to a market correction.” Man, we’ve got to make this guy’s teachings mandatory. He’s a jewel.

● Mandate, too, that students and aspiring politicians read the AJC guest commentary Thursday by another distinguished professor, Scott Beaulier of Mercer University in Macon, entitled “Taxing and spending is going from bad to worse.” He makes marvelous points: Businesses and therefore jobs flee high-tax states for lower ones. Politicians should make “significant cuts in the size and scope of government in Georgia.” And, “spending rules [should be] adopted to prevent future crises from developing.” Now if we can just get some of those professors in the social sciences schooled by this Distinguished Professor of Capitalism.

● AJC.com headline: “Can schools stop obesity?” Sure, in the less than 10 percent of a child’s day that they have, schools can stop obesity, be a daddy, teach social skills, stop bullying, build self-esteem and train them to be little greenies and peaceniks. And, oh yes, teach them to read and write.

291 comments Add your comment

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:34 am

Republicans could have past health care but instead they were comcerned with trying to impeach Clinton. They had 12 years to do something. They instead chose to deregulate the banks and Wall Street. Now, those chickens have come home to roost in this effed up economy and YOU want to blame Obama…..then skip over Bush to blame Clinton for other things. The WORST TERRORIST ATTACK IN US HISTORY 911 happened under Bush’s watch. Facts are a stubborn thing ….aren’t they?
And the fact is.republicans FALIED MISERABLY when they were in charge. President Obama deserves our support as reality is he can’t wave a magic wand. Either get on board or sail away.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:35 am

ground forces had Bin Laden in their sights, Clinton won’t give the go ahead. Fact

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:37 am

sail away? we are sailing to Novenber where the Dems will take a licking like never before. Rep win back the house and the Dems hold the senate w/ 51. Write it down boys.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:39 am

retired. How do you justify spending TRILLIONS on these wars? We could have sent operatives in and killed clandestinely al Gaeda and Taliban. We have spent trillions “nation building and occupying. Bin Laden has won. He made the US overreach and bankrupted us in the process.
As we are seeing in Pakistan, the operatives (special ops) have located the militants and predator drones are wiping them out. More alQaeda have been killed or captured under Obana’s short time than the entire time Bush was Pres. Why all the hate? Give the man credit where credit is due.

Fuzzy Math

March 26th, 2010
10:42 am

The 9/11 attack happened a year into Bush’s watch. So the attack is his fault, not Clinton’s. The economy is tanking at lightning speed and jobs are going with it—a year into Obama’s watch, and it’s Bush’s fault, not Obama’s. Sounds like Fuzzy Math.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:42 am

retired your “facts” come from Fox News. FACT*** Fox News argued in court for the right to lie.
They said they (Hannity,Glen Beck,O’Reilly and everyone but the inknown daytime hour) were not “News” but opinion, thus allowing them to lie. Deal with it old timer. You were spanked in the last election…and will be spanked even harder in the next. Your hate and lies are backfiring. Youth are mobilized yet again to defend President Obama and the right for our votes to count. We voted Obama in with a mandate.We will not rest until it is implemented fully. YES WE CAN!!!!

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:43 am

I have said many times on here, the only policy I am aware of that I support Obama in is Afganistan. Since you disagree w/ the wars you should be critical of BO.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:44 am

well said fuzzy

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:46 am

We will walk the walk and pound the pavement from sea to shining sea to see to it that America’s promise is fulfilled. No amount of conservative anger or obstruction will stop us. The party of hell no
is done. The adults are in charge now.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:47 am

ok spring chicken, I don’t watch any of the above, except O’Reily. And nite time MSNBC is unbaised? I watch MSNBC every morning what’s that make me?

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:47 am

You sound very adult We. Geesh.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:48 am

It is time for the wars to end. We can not sustain trillions in war spending for the few al Qaeda there. AlQeada is in every country hiding. It is a matter of clandestine and killing with special ops….like Israel does. It is much more effective without the huge costs. If you don’t see that, there is no hope for you.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:49 am

I do let my opinion known to Obama opposing these wars…not because I want to let up on alQaeda but there ARE FAR MORE EFFECTIVE WAYS TO KILL THEM.

Jess

March 26th, 2010
10:49 am

Steven,

When given the choice of buying health insurance for $6000-$8000 per year or paying a $1000 fine most will opt for the fine. If they get really sick, or are hurt in an accident, that is when they will buy insurance. The idea of all these new dollars coming into the system is a myth just like the idea of saving $500 billion by medicare cuts, and almost every other savings gimmick used to get this thing past, like the nationalization of the student loan program.

This bill is going to be a drag on the American economy and a drag which will only grow with time. This is an administration bent on destroying the US economy, and I’d say they are off to a good start.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:51 am

Then why did your hero surge more troops there?

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:51 am

I am not in charge…but am adult. I get frustrated with all the hate and blame coming from you people toward Obama. He is doing what he said he would do when elected….health care reform,
more money for Pell grants, unfortunately he had to expend alot of time and energy to overcome obstructionist sore losers

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:52 am

Well said Jess

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:53 am

Or the hate and blame for Bush or Newt or McConnell, you taught us well We.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:55 am

He campaigned on “leaving Iraq responsibly” He is doing it. He said we should concentrate on al Qaeda in Afghanistan….he is doing that. Where’s the problem? I am stating my opinion on the waste of $$$. Kill them with special ops and drones and plants(double agents etc) Much cheaper abd more effective….as we are seeing in Pakistan now. Obama increased the predator drone attacks and has killed many top alQaeda as a result. We should do what works. But to think we will find and kill or invade every country alQaeda operatives are is a fantasy….impossible….so you hunt and kill them.My opinion…not Obama policy oer se.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:56 am

McConnell and Newt and all of them HAD THEIR CHANCE. They FAILED MISERABLY.
Why do you even want to go back down that road? It would be different if we weren’t currently living through the end result of their “leadership” off the economic cliff. GEEEZZ
Some people are just slow, I guess.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:58 am

Glad to know you are a military expert. I’m in awe of you knowledge. But your arguement falls flat when u can’t be critical of BO when he is doing just the opposite of what u propose, i.e. suring more troops.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:59 am

Newt for pres in 2012 and Paul Ryan for VP, what do you think?

Tall

March 26th, 2010
11:01 am

To won’t be fooled again: The total spent on the recent wars has been in the vicinity of $80 billion. Still a sizeable sum, but not trillions as you suggest.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
11:02 am

The drag on the economy would be greater for ever rising healthcare costs to continue to bankrupt us. We had to address it, financially and morally. I am thankful to God this has passed. Will there be areas to improve? Of course.But, with all the obstructionist, win at all costs mentality of republicans….a better bill was impossible. I am confident not only that the dems are on the right side of history….but that the repubs are once again, on the wrong side of history.Republicans said social security was “socialism” and the “last throes of a dictator” and said the same about Medicare. Yet now, they swear to defend it against the dems…..LAUGHABLE. They will be defending “Obamacare” from being cut and claiming dems want to cut it in elections 10 years from now. They never learn It is dems who make the bold, right moves for America…real Americans….not the defenders of the wealthy who have enriched themselves at thye American workers’ hard expense and sent the fruits of our labor to COMMUNIST CHINA to create jobs in COMMIE CHINA!
Thanks alot retired and the rest of you”conservatives” for sellling America down the toilet.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 26th, 2010
11:04 am

Dear Retired, not bad. I’d like to see Petraeus-Jindal, but your Newt/Ryan is a winner for me.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
11:04 am

I am critical of the decision to remain in Afghanistan this long. But, I am not Pres…am not privy to their info. I think it is a strategic mistake (both financially 2 trillion and counting and militarily)You’re right…I am not a military expert…nor are either of you.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
11:06 am

Bin Laden wins when we spend ourselves into bankruptcy invading countries to go after a few al Qaeda.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
11:07 am

You defend the trillions spent on these wars and detest any money spent on American people. You defend money to wealthy to send to China or commit fraud and we have to bail out to avoid collapse.I don’t get you guys.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
11:10 am

I’m not a military expert? Hmm, 3 stars were on my shoulder still didn’t qualify me as an expert. No wonder I didn’t get that 4th star.

Just kidding, I topped out below the general officer level. The method you advocate was proposed by Biden and rejected by BO. Guess Biden wasn’t an “expert” either.

SnarkyJarhead

March 26th, 2010
11:13 am

Yes! Kill them with Special Ops and drones–brilliant strategy. Let’s use reconciliation to pass a law that requires all the bad guys to wear orange vests and chemical lights. If the Special Ops fellows ride unicorns they can get through that mountainous terrain undetected. We can tap into our extensive spy network to find those who break the law and don’t wear their vests and lights. Oh wait, Jimbo removed the field agents and replaced them with satellites. It’s been 30+ years and those idiots still haven’t figured out how to grow beards on a satellite to infiltrate isolated tribes. Perhaps if we offer them free health care and college, the villagers will point out the bad guys to us.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
11:15 am

You go Jarhead. To funny yet sadly true.

Reality

March 26th, 2010
11:37 am

@Retired Soldier – Yep, you are a typical repub conservative because you cannot post a response without using some name calling or insult.

What I posted were the things that President Obama has passed during his one year. I never said there were good or bad – you did.

I also posted things that Bush did while in office. Again, you were the one that said they were good or bad.

Even looking at your “opinions”, the better President is Obama. Everything that he has worked on has been FOR ALL American people.

By the way, I never a tax cut from Bush and I am middle class. When did that happen? All I know is that Bush cut taxes on those incomes over $200,000 per year.

Richard

March 26th, 2010
11:43 am

Right Wooten, the republicans are really going to repeal health care reform. This is just like how they were going to put in an Amendment opposing gay mariage and privatize social security during Bush’s tenure. They don’t remove entitlement plans. It’s nothing but a campaign scam designed to get contributions.

You may think the Democrats aren’t doing what’s in the country’s best interest. That’s fine. But if you think the Republicans will, you’re living in fantasy land.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
11:43 am

No name calling here reality. I hope you have a blessed weekend and find all those things that you have missed. As for me, time to do a bit of work since I have been scolded. Out for now.

Barry

March 26th, 2010
12:07 pm

The fact is that you cannot WIN an occupation; there is no way for US to WIN in Afghanistan or Iraq. You cannot invade and hold another country. Didn’t we learn that simple fact in Viet Nam?

The Russians tried for years to win in Afghanistan; they were willing to torture and kill every single person there. They leveled villages and cities; committed genocide against the people and still could not win. But, finally they gave up and left and so will we. There is no mission over there and President Obama was wrong to continue with no way to win and no way out. I won’t defend or blame him for that; he’s still better than St. Ronnie, daddy bush and baby bush.

Before you get too excited about Newt – remember he is a draft-dodging frat-boy, a serial adulterer and the biggest loser and hypocrite to ever walk the streets of Washington. He’s already hated by half the republicans and all the Democrats, pretty hard to win with those negatives.

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 26th, 2010
12:10 pm

I admit my lack of acquaintance with the Market Bulletin. Why is it not online? Cut the mailing expense, which is presumably significant.

Some of the people who get the market bulletin don’t have a computer and don’t want one.

Jess

March 26th, 2010
12:26 pm

Reality,

You did get a tax cut under Bush! This is regardless of what class you have assigned yourself. Even those who recieve earned income credits got an increase.

Reality

March 26th, 2010
12:27 pm

Georgians need to vote out the state republicans. Perdue and company have run this State into the ground. We have one of the highest unemployment in the Country and also one of the worst budget crisis. There is no excuse. Republicans control all of the State of GA and they have ruined it.

Jess

March 26th, 2010
12:28 pm

Richard,

If bankrupting our government, and yoking our children with a huge burden is what’s best for the country, then Obama’s doing an excellent job.

Reality

March 26th, 2010
12:28 pm

Jess – LOL! I really hope that you are not talking about that one-time pitiful “rebate” check in the mail?!?!?!

GBO

March 26th, 2010
12:28 pm

@ We wont…

re:”So, why don’t we work to make the “stimulus” more of a direct jobs for infrastructure instead of the waste I am seeing”.

On this, I agree with you. I would have had a lot less trouble with the ARRA if most of it was going to be spent on things with lasting benefits, like infrastructure. Again, let me say that I am Independent, and truthfully the current Republicans earned the beating they took. As a matter of fact, the stupidest earmark in it was proposed by a Republican (Zack Wamp) regarding some millions for a geothermal heating system for a mall that has been on life support and should have been leveled for decades in Oak Ridge, TN. Truthfully, there are a bunch on both sides of the aisle who want ot feed at the trough, but two wrongs do not make a right..

gdawg

March 26th, 2010
12:30 pm

The government isn’t mandating that you get insurance. The act just says you have to have it (but you also have to have car insurance, so what’s the big deal, tea-party pinheads?). The government leaves it to you to pick the insurance. Socialism? Not exactly. Get over it….

Reality

March 26th, 2010
12:30 pm

@Jess 12:28

Woah! Approximately 90% of our federal debt is from the Bush terms. No one can blame Obama for that! Plus, MOST of what Obama has done has been to mitigate the catastrophic economy that he inherited.

gdawg

March 26th, 2010
12:31 pm

Pardon me (before there are bricks sent through my windows). The act doesn’t say you have to get a PARTICULAR KIND/TYPE/BRAND of insurance.

Jess

March 26th, 2010
12:38 pm

Reality,

Afraid your numbers are pure fiction.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
12:40 pm

I think Afghanistan was valid, never sure of Iraq after the missing WMDs and said so at the time…and I was an Army Officer who studied wars of insurgency a lot.. That said, I think this swing to the uber liberal side of the Dem party is even more dangerous. Most people are usually somewher in the center, and I am absolutely afraid that Pelosi, Reid, and yes, Obama, are pointing us right toward socialism. I’ve read Karl Marx and his “redistribution of wealth”, and lived long enough to see that it does not work in the real world…people just stop working, content that someone else will pay their way. If this lack of personal accountability and sense that the “governemnt will provide” mentality continues, then this country is doomed. Of that I am certain.

Chris

March 26th, 2010
12:42 pm

Hey Won’t Be Fooled…

keep spewing your nonsense, you will have plenty of time to rest after Nov.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 26th, 2010
12:44 pm

Dear gdawg @ 12:31, your insurance will have to conform to the standards set by the Secretary of Human Services, or you will be subject to the penalty. Doesn’t matter if you don’t want half of the required coverages – you still pay for them.

Virginia

March 26th, 2010
12:50 pm

So Jim, we should let ethics reform in Georgia die on the vine because we’re angry about the Healthcare Bill? Please tell me how that makes any sense? Do they actually PAY you to write this stuff? And Jim there will be no repeal. Yes, please run in November on that, I really can not wait!!
@Dave: you’re wrong about the debt numbers and you know it.
@Vince: it’s not a cogent question.

Barry

March 26th, 2010
12:50 pm

I didn’t check all sources but he cost of “the wars” is about a trillion dollars.

In 2008:
“the amount spent on all military operations, including Afghanistan ($608.8 billion)”
http://www.factcheck.org

Add at least 2 billion a week since 2008, with no end in sight– billion here billion there, black Ops not included – it’s a Trillion!