Vote out Left, repeal health law

Thinking Right’s weekend free-for-all. Pick a topic:

● With health care, the Left has taken this country where the center-right majority ain’t. There will be a price to pay on Election Day in November and in 2012. Then repeal.

● With or without Georgia Attorney General Thurbert Baker, a candidate for governor, the state should join states in challenging the just-passed mandate that people be forced to buy health insurance. The feds’ constitutional authority to regulate interstate commerce does not extend to forcing individuals to buy specific products, state AGs contend.

● Yes, ethics reform in Georgia is vital. But it does feel kind of silly to be freaking out over who buys a politician lunch when the dishonesties inherent in the just-passed health care bill — the phony numbers, the tricks to hide taxes, the double-counting of higher Medicare taxes — are so profoundly dishonest that they’d be prosecutable in the private sector. There’s such a despicable double standard between what politicians do and what they rail about and prosecute in the private sector.

● When gender trumps, you get the results that we saw in the Georgia State Senate’s odd-duck pairing of State Sens. Renee Unterman (R-Buford) and Nan Orrock (D-Atlanta) to table SB 407, which would allow Georgians to cross state lines to buy health insurance — an essential element of any conservative health care reform. By shopping across state lines, consumers can buy the coverage they want, rather than the coverage mandated by politicians. House and Senate women argued that would be detrimental to their gender.

● Good grief, man, don’t be telling people that the 1.45 percent tax on hospital revenues that Gov. Sonny Perdue has proposed and that the Legislature is about to accept won’t be added to the pills and bills of paying patients. The tax — politicians call it a fee — “has to come through the efficiencies of the hospitals” and “cannot be passed on to patients,” said the good conservative Republican, state Rep. Jimmy Pruett of Eastman. Yes and those hidden $20 billion in taxes on medical equipment contained in the Washington health care bill are gonna be eaten by goblins before they get passed through to the rest of us.

● The Market Bulletin published by the state Department of Agriculture for 93 years is a Georgia treasure. Though its content does occasionally promote the boss, it’s largely nonpolitical. Cost to produce is $774,000 annually. It goes twice monthly to 130,000 people who request it. Cost-cutting conservatives are proposing a $10 subscription charge, which is expected to cut circulation in half. I’d pay the $10 and can’t in good conscience argue against it. It’s a legitimate user fee. But I’d rather pay $20 and have it sent free to those whose income is less than $35,000 per year.

● James Kau, a real estate professor at UGA’s Terry College of Business, makes a compelling argument in last Sunday’s AJC that government bailouts “reward negative outcomes and mediocre choices” in home buying and lead to “further mortgage defaults and cries for more bailouts. Bailouts are nothing more than a politically-based catastrophic solution to a market correction.” Man, we’ve got to make this guy’s teachings mandatory. He’s a jewel.

● Mandate, too, that students and aspiring politicians read the AJC guest commentary Thursday by another distinguished professor, Scott Beaulier of Mercer University in Macon, entitled “Taxing and spending is going from bad to worse.” He makes marvelous points: Businesses and therefore jobs flee high-tax states for lower ones. Politicians should make “significant cuts in the size and scope of government in Georgia.” And, “spending rules [should be] adopted to prevent future crises from developing.” Now if we can just get some of those professors in the social sciences schooled by this Distinguished Professor of Capitalism.

● AJC.com headline: “Can schools stop obesity?” Sure, in the less than 10 percent of a child’s day that they have, schools can stop obesity, be a daddy, teach social skills, stop bullying, build self-esteem and train them to be little greenies and peaceniks. And, oh yes, teach them to read and write.

291 comments Add your comment

Steven

March 26th, 2010
8:51 am

DT – LOL. The fact that you would post a “web poll” as scientific fact is funny. It’s also funny that you didn’t mention that the poll had “technical difficulties” as plainly stated at the top of the page.

DT

March 26th, 2010
8:53 am

If Obama is left alone, We will be a Communist/Socialist nation. We will be no better than Cuba only bigger.

DT

March 26th, 2010
8:55 am

Hey Steven, get your head out of the Fridge. The American people do not want Obamacare. Besides what does Technical difficulties have to do with it?

GOP on the Rise

March 26th, 2010
8:56 am

Republicans are Sorry, NEWS FLASH; you are delusional, out of 130 million votes Obozo won by 6 million votes, a margin of 4.6% that is far from a landslide. You will see a landslide in November when these sorry a$$ dimacrats are sent packing because they do NOT represent the people. They represent special interest, like the lobbyist who wrote the healthcare take over…. Since you liberal losers are so focused on the healthcare take over rather than jobs you will lose. Surplus Clinton left? No Clinton did NOT leave a surplus he just did NOT spend more than he took in, there is a big difference, and he still had over 8 trillion in debt… Obozo kept his promises, man you are lost how about I”I will not have lobbyist in my administration” over 75% lobbyist in his cabinet. “I will not sign any bill with earmarks” so far everything he has signed has more earmarks than ever in history. “The healthcare bill will not cover illegal aliens” guess what, it does and it exempts them from paying taxes but covers them with healthcare. So far Obozo has been proven to be the biggest liar in American politics… Keep complaining about the KKK only the dimacrats have KKK members within their ranks…

Steven

March 26th, 2010
8:56 am

DT- Phew. You show your ignorance.

For those interested in polls…here’s a poll that everyone seems to forget. The overwhelming majority of Americans want some health reform passed. I don’t blame Democrats for making this happen now – otherwise, it never would have.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/public_opinion_polls/topic/health_care/

Fun, Fun, Fun

March 26th, 2010
8:58 am

The protester at an anti-health care reform rally who yelled and threw money at a pro-reform advocate with Parkinson’s disease has apologized for his “shameful” actions and blamed them on impulse.

The man Reichert verbally abused, Robert A. Letcher, 60, is seen in the video sitting on the ground as Tea Party activists demonstrate in front of him. He is holding up a sign that reads, “Got Parkinson’s? I do and you might. Thanks for your help.”

After one man in the crowd starts mocking Letcher, Reichert steps out of the crowd, throwing money in Letcher’s face, and mockingly shouts, “No, no I’ll pay for this guy. Here you go, start a pot. I’ll pay for you.” He then yells, “I’ll decide when to give you money…No more handouts,” and again throws money at him. In the background, shouts of “Communist” can be heard.

Of course he REALLY started to be sorry when a video of his actions went world-wide.

Yes, those teabaggers are a real classy bunch.

GOP on the Rise

March 26th, 2010
8:58 am

Here is an idea, why not take an up or down vote on healthcare, by the people. Then we will see the truth, Americans do NOT want this bill as it stands. By the way what do student loans have to do with healthcare?

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
9:00 am

Steven, how is the bill considered “health care reform”? I thought one big point was to lower premiums. How are insurance companies going to cover millions of sick people w/out raising premiums on everyone?

LOL

March 26th, 2010
9:00 am

I like the “fired up ready to go” moron on here. Yeah Bush sucked, but so does Obama. They are ALL crooked and until you learn that you will continually be led to believe what they are telling you. Going to be real funny when this health care bill passes and all the morons find out they are now required to buy their own insurance. The broke will get broker.

Barry

March 26th, 2010
9:07 am

All’s right with the world, Jim Wooten is consistently on the wrong side of every issue!

Please try to convince voters their kids in college or grad school don’t deserve to be on the parents insurance, even though the parents will be paying the additional premiums.

Allow insurance companies to drop policy holders who become sick and put the limits back on everyone’s benefits. Just because a person survived cancer in their teens doesn’t mean they should be able to get insurance 20 years later.

Please try to take the $250 rebate away from seniors on Medicare Part D and add the exclusions back for pre-existing conditions.

Also, take the tax credits away from small business owners who provide their employees with group insurance. Aren’t most small business owners republican?

Don’t get me wrong, I think the republicans should TRY to repeal the health care law and continue to protect the greedy middleman insurance corporations. Voters just love the corrupt insurance industry. But, I they may have a problem with President Obama’s veto power.

It seems the republicans have just discovered fiscal responsibility. They wring their hands and worry how we’ll pay for health care.

WE CAN PAY FOR THE NEW HEALTH CARE SYSTEM THE SAME WAY WE PAID FOR THE TWO BUSH WARS!

GBO

March 26th, 2010
9:13 am

“WE CAN PAY FOR THE NEW HEALTH CARE SYSTEM THE SAME WAY WE PAID FOR THE TWO BUSH WARS!

you are right Barry for the wrong reasons…WE’LL BORROW IT and expect our children and grandchildren to pay unbelievable taxes to pay for what WE wanted to have but not pay for ourselves. I wish there were term limits for everyone in DC.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 26th, 2010
9:13 am

For our conservative friends, today’s WSJ has several excellent essays on “how to repeal.” http://online.wsj.com/public/page/news-opinion-commentary.html

Steven

March 26th, 2010
9:14 am

Peadog – Since the plan calls for requiring people to purchase insurance, there will be millions of new paying customers pooling their insurance plans. While there will be some who get care for free or reduced rates, there will also be many, many new paying customers. An important underlying feature is giving people regular access so they don’t wait until the last moment when the disease/illness is at the worst possible stage – and the most expensive stage. And technically, it’s health insurance reform. There are measures in place to reduce waste and fraud. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (which was critical of the first health bill announced in early 2009) said that this plan will actually reduce the deficit over time.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
9:14 am

…the inmates are running the asylum.

DT

March 26th, 2010
9:15 am

We haven’t had a good president since Reagan, They’ve all tag teamed us into socialism. Our nation is goine.

DT

March 26th, 2010
9:18 am

GBO, you got it wrong there, most of these people don’t pay taxes, neither will their children and grand children. Our taxes will be so high that they will be better of than we are. Isn’t that a recipe for a great Nation.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
9:20 am

@ Steven

The so-called reduction in the deficits comes from higher taxes to some, and projected cuts in medicare. It is still going to cost trillions of dollars, just not coming from borrowing…supposedly.

Bottom line is medium income and higher income taxpayers are going to be footing the bill for most…as usual. I can be for healthcare reform…if they institute a flat tax and EVERYONE has to pay.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
9:22 am

You are right DT, a whole bunch of people want a lot of nice things…as long as someone else pays for it.

DT

March 26th, 2010
9:22 am

Steven, Do you sell that stuff you smoke?

GBO

March 26th, 2010
9:24 am

@ DT and that is why Marxism failed…it assumed that people would contribute equally. Nice idea except it does not work in the real world, there are a growing segment of the people who want something for nothing…so they vote liberal. We are heading down that path, where sooner or later there will be no incentive to work, so why bother.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
9:41 am

@ the dummy who said Obama’s win was not a landslide. Obama’s 365 electoral votes to McCain’s 173. A larger landslide than Ronald Reagan’s “mandate. DEAL WITH IT !
To the other dummy who asks for examples of a liberal run govt. EVERY industrialized nation has universal health care, better life expectancies, infant mortality is lower AND they spend LESS THAN 1/2 of USA 9per capita) less than 1/2 on drugs. Why do drugs made here get sold to other nations at a fraction of the cost WE pay? They are made here! Can you say kickbacks to republicans? I can.
To the dummy looking for examples. Show me a “conservative” run government that isn’t running huge deficits and expanding gaps between rich and poor. Show me one that cares for its citizens. The silence is deafening. Your failed experiment known as conservatism is OVER. DEAL !!!

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
9:50 am

I know you like to bring up Obama’s “deficits’ without acknowledging he inherited the worst financial collapse since the great depression. He inherited 2 wars that were not paid for and a 450 billion dollar unpaid for entitlement with medicare. He inherited a collapsing stock market AND with businesses cutting jobs at a record pace the deficit went up from lost tax revenue to high job losses. But, honesty is not a “conservative” virtue , is it? WMD’s…”compassionate’ conservative…tax cuts
increase revenue, deficits “don’t matter (per Dick Cheney) I could go on for days with the lies you “conservatives” tell Armaggedon???!! Reallly??? Sorry, the rest of America is not as dumb as the viewers and listeners of Fox “News” ( Fox actually fought in court for the right to lie – saying they were an opinion station, not news, so they did not have to tell the truth) Neil Boortz, Rush Limbaugh and Glen “crybaby” Beck. Hitler? Nazi? Socialist? Do you ever run out of lies.
The new republican mantra “the right to lie” replaces “right to life”. (Of course that “right to life” thingy only applied to a fetus, not the actual child or adults. They have no right to life, liberty or pursuit of happiness….unless they agree with republicans.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
9:52 am

Thank God America has awakened to the republican lies.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
9:52 am

@ wont be fooled again

Same question you willnever answer lib…who is going to pay for your Utopia? Oh wait I know, the onew who voted Republican…sure as hellz won’t be you.

kindergarten teacher

March 26th, 2010
9:54 am

OK …it’s almost time for recess children. RECESS APPOINTMENTS while the little republican children are on their Easter recess, Obama will recess appoint ALL of his judges and cabinet vacancies. Load ‘em up Prez with liberals !

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
9:56 am

It won’t be you paying GBO. It will be the wealthy, who gorged at the public trough all these years at OUR expense. They got their MASSIVE tax cuts and breaks only to invest it all in Chinese jobs. SCREW THEM !! It’s time they pay the piper !!!

Newt's Helmet Hair

March 26th, 2010
9:57 am

Sounds like somebody is a little petulant today. A bit peevish. This HCR is EXTREMELY middle of the road. The problem is that the right keeps moving ever farther TO the right. Major parts of this bill, including the mandate, were suggested in the past by Gingrich, Dole, Tommy Thompson. Unless these fine men didn’t really mean it. The problem is that the GOP leadership led its membership down the garden path, promising them that if they stood together, the Dems would self-destruct as they have before. That miscalculation lies heavy for your team. I mean we all know that the GOP would have voted against HCR even if they were allowed to write the bill. It was all about defeating Obama. The problem now is where does the GOP go from here? Running on repeal is a loser. And the GOP will run against banking reform, too? I wouldn’t get too excited yet about November, if I were you.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
9:57 am

Yes, GBO…it’s pretty easy to tell you are broke….and bankrupt…of any new or good ideas

GBO

March 26th, 2010
9:57 am

@ kindergarten teacher…yup he will do that. It is a shame so few of them have ever read the CONSTITUTION.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
9:58 am

@Newt’s H H . lol . For real….and I am LUUUUUUUVVVVVIIIIIIINNN IT !!!
They never run out of ammo for self-inflicted wounds. Only the blind partisans aka tea bag gers
are with them now.

Tall

March 26th, 2010
10:00 am

To StJ post of 3/25 8:10pm. The pick three numbers in the Illinois State lottery were 666 on November 5, 20009, the day after President Obama won the election. Mr. Republicans are
Sorry, you are correct.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:03 am

We won’t-

So what has BO done? Continued both wars, increased the deficts and kept Gitmo open. That’s change we can believe in.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
10:04 am

No We won’t…you are right, I am not broke or bankrupt…because I’ve busted my backside since I was 11 years old to pay for anything and everything I had. I wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth, my father died when I was 7 and I had to work for it all. .

Work, a novel idea, you libs should try it. You show me someone who is willing to work, and I will hold out my hand anytime, but I don’t feel like I owe a majority of the money I work to someone hanging with his homeys or watching Love Connectionwhile I put in 50+ hour weeks.

Tall

March 26th, 2010
10:10 am

GBO: ” It is a shame so few of them have ever read the CONSTITUTION.” Sadly, you are correct. Most of the posters here have no idea of what is going on. The country is already insolvent and the Democrats decided to add another entitlement on top of it.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
10:11 am

you want new ideas…okay here are a few.

Fund Workfare not Welfare

Fund Training programs not entitlements

Make every able bodied person do something (pick up trash on the road for a day or two) if only for a few hours a week to keep getting handouts.

Incentivize things with reward tied to effort or contribution not always “enabling” people.

Maybe even require a course in simple economics regarding goods and services so that people realize that EVERYTHING has a price tag.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 26th, 2010
10:14 am

Dear Fool @ 9:50, I offer a blast from the past, a Wooten column a year ago:

[By Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 25, 2009 9:22 AM

Were you aware that the unemployment rate has gone up 60% since Nancy Pelosi proclaimed intention to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire? The intellectual flaw of all Obamanomics is “static analysis.” The new overlords assume that businesses do not react to higher costs imposed by government, whether imposed by tax or by regulation. In a service-based economy, the only place that businesses can reduce costs is “employment,” as that is the only “raw material” in its product. So when Congress chooses to compel businesses to divert revenues to government (and thus away from “production,”) that decision will have a measurable human cost. As we have seen since the Pelosicrats proclaimed an end to the Bush tax cuts.

Unemployment November 2007, one year after the democrats seized control of Congress: 4.7%.

Unemployment today: 7.6%, a 60% increase (2.9% change/4.7%) in the unemployment rate. Our forecast is that number will continue to rise, as the date of the actual expiration of the cuts approaches. Change we can believe in.]

Back to the current: under the democrat congress, now 15 months after the “stimulus,” unemployment is 50% higher than it was when the stimulus was passed. Our progressive friends are slow learners. (And if you care, the rest of my 2/25/09 post had a lot of wisdom too.)

Barry

March 26th, 2010
10:15 am

Point of Law: When the House and Senate vote and one side gets the most votes and wins that is not “RAMMING IT THROUGH”!

When voters go to the polls and the corrupt republican Supreme Court stops the vote from being counted that is – RAMMING IT THROUGH – Being appointed 5 to 4 is not a mandate!

9/11 was a terrorist attack on bush’s watch, so were the bombings in Spain, London and the thousands in Bagdad.

Reality

March 26th, 2010
10:16 am

@Tall: Let’s be perfectly clear on what’s going on here. Approximately 90% of the federal debt is attributed to Bush – primarily for the pentagon and war and also for tax breaks for the wealthy. Additional debt since Obama has taken office is totally due to attempts to help the economy and jobs.

This healthcare reform (all it entitlement or whatever you want to) does not add to the federal debt in the long term. In fact, the numbers released, not by the democrats but by the accountants, show that this reform bill will help LOWER the federal deficit.

Audrey in Georgia

March 26th, 2010
10:20 am

The republicans are the MINORITY party and they still can’t get over it. When you have a problem,
you are supposed to admit you have a problem and apologize to the people who you have hurt because of your problem. It is past time for the republicans to tell the American public they have a problem, they are so sorry for wrecking havoc on every sector of the American livelihood, and going forward, they would really like to work to solve our problems. “Hell no you can’t!”
Don’t worry, in NOvember, more republicans will be sent home for not working to help solve
our problems and not working after 2:00 p.m.!

Pudd'nhead Wilson

March 26th, 2010
10:21 am

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.

Reality

March 26th, 2010
10:21 am

@ Retired Soldier

You have got to be kidding! President Obama inherited a complete mess and ALL of his actions have focused on cleaning up this bush repub mess.

I. Stimulus Bill to help economy
II. Jobs Bill to help jobs
III. Healthcare Reform Bill to cover citizens and keep insurance corporations for continuing to rape Americans

Gitmo is already being closed, as promised.

So, you complain about President Obama? Did you complain about bush? How about his….

I. Tax cuts for the wealthy?
II. Bailout for the Financial Companys?
III. Starting of those 2 wars that you mentioned?

GBO

March 26th, 2010
10:22 am

Barry, it is ramming it through when the Democratic leadership has to threaten and coerce its own membership to vote for something that the polls continually kept saying it wanted changes in before putting it in to place. As far as the currupt Republican Supreme Court you referenced, the Supreme Court’s ONLY responsibility is to interpret the Constitiution. If there are “activist” judges rather than “interpreters” appointed by any President, then that is corruption. It is not their job to make law, only interpret the constitutionality…something libs should read someday.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 26th, 2010
10:23 am

Dear Reality, another blast from the past, same column, same day, same genius writer:

Dear Bucks @ 12:08, great question, gives us a teaching moment here. You know, as well as I, that Presidents have to spend whatever Congress says; they don’t even have the right to stop spending in an emergency. The correct question is, “when has a democrat house of representatives” – where revenue bills must originate, democrats in control for 54 of the past 66 years – “proposed a balanced budget?” Another good question is, since 1932, how many years have republicans controlled the house of representatives during a recession? I used to think the answer was “1,” mistakenly thinking there was a recession early in the term of George W Bush; our friend jm set me straight on that one. The answer is “0.”

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:24 am

Not killing Bin Laden was on Clinton’s watch, your Point Barry? So the Supreme Court was correct with say Roe v. Wade, but was wrong about the 2000 election. Interesting.

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:25 am

@GBO. I am with you on the work issue. I am not defending peoples’ right to sit on their a$$eS and collect $$$. I never said I did. Why is that always the argument ? So, let’s unite on that issue. But to say people needn’t get any help in this time of so many job losses is not right. So, why don’t we work to make the “stimulus” more of a direct jobs for infrastructure instead of the waste I am seeing. I am not saying democrats haven’t dropped the ball on some of the spending but much of it was worthy. I have seen a LOT of cor[porate welfare under epublicans. Why did oil companies need extra tax cuts? Record profits and $5 a gallon gas came from their manipulating the market and “speculators” Why should the American people be at the mercy of market manipulation and Wall Street welfare?

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:27 am

We cut taxes by the trillions under Bush, mostly for the filthy rich. What did they do? Created jobs in China and put it in offshore tax havens ….something had to change. We’ve tried your way dude…it failed miserably.

Junior Samples

March 26th, 2010
10:29 am

watching pelosi reid and obama is like watching a 3 ring circus (including the elephant dung). It will take a decade to fix all of the damage they have done to our country.My, how they love spending other peoples money (our grand kids’) The “yes we can” generation blew it big time. Never again will an empty suit with a nifty little saying (hope and change) get elected. NO MORE ENTITLEMENTS!

We won't be fooled again

March 26th, 2010
10:30 am

@ retired
I seem to remember Clinton bombing Afghanistan’s al Qaeda camps where bin Laden was believed to be and republicans (and I am sure you included) said Clinton was “wagging the dog” and trying to distract from the “Monica’ mission the republicans thought was more important. You can’t have it both ways, hypocrites. I wish your opposition was legit. But, time and time you prove yourselves wrong. Only, people like me…NOT TEXAS TEXTBOOKS remember history…and the LIES too.
FAIL

Tall

March 26th, 2010
10:31 am

“Approximately 90% of the federal debt is attributed to Bush – primarily for the pentagon and war and also for tax breaks for the wealthy. Additional debt since Obama has taken office is totally due to attempts to help the economy and jobs.”

Like I said in my post to GBO: “most of the posters here have no idea what they’re talking about.”
The reality is, Article 8 under the Constitution gives Congress the right to set the fiscal policy. Not the Executive office. Under the W administration, the world economy was already in a recession(No fault of the Clinton administration – sic.) The events of 9/11 did about $100billion of damage to an already reeling economy. Bush did the right thing in reducing taxes. When you cut income taxes, you expand the multiplier effect. That means that money supply moves through the economy at a faster rate, because consumers – NOT government- have more to invest or spend. Thus, the deficits under the W adminstration were contracting until 2006, when the Democrats took control of Congress. The deficits since then, have exploded. If you don’t believe me, you can go to the website of the CBO and look it up. By the way, Bush did not use the veto at all. So, he can be faulted for that.

RetiredSoldier

March 26th, 2010
10:31 am

Reality

Strange name for someone who makes up reality.

1. StimulusBill- Pork waste that didn’t stop higher and higher unemployment- remember…”if we pass this unemployment won’t be above 8 per cent
2.Jobs bill- are you kidding me, 1600 more IRS agents to enforce health care.
3. healthcare bill- look at what BO promised in the election and see if it resembles what was passed.
4. I agree with the tax cuts that were passed for everyone.
5. Bailout, opposed.
6. Wars- yep they are/were justified