Vote out Left, repeal health law

Thinking Right’s weekend free-for-all. Pick a topic:

● With health care, the Left has taken this country where the center-right majority ain’t. There will be a price to pay on Election Day in November and in 2012. Then repeal.

● With or without Georgia Attorney General Thurbert Baker, a candidate for governor, the state should join states in challenging the just-passed mandate that people be forced to buy health insurance. The feds’ constitutional authority to regulate interstate commerce does not extend to forcing individuals to buy specific products, state AGs contend.

● Yes, ethics reform in Georgia is vital. But it does feel kind of silly to be freaking out over who buys a politician lunch when the dishonesties inherent in the just-passed health care bill — the phony numbers, the tricks to hide taxes, the double-counting of higher Medicare taxes — are so profoundly dishonest that they’d be prosecutable in the private sector. There’s such a despicable double standard between what politicians do and what they rail about and prosecute in the private sector.

● When gender trumps, you get the results that we saw in the Georgia State Senate’s odd-duck pairing of State Sens. Renee Unterman (R-Buford) and Nan Orrock (D-Atlanta) to table SB 407, which would allow Georgians to cross state lines to buy health insurance — an essential element of any conservative health care reform. By shopping across state lines, consumers can buy the coverage they want, rather than the coverage mandated by politicians. House and Senate women argued that would be detrimental to their gender.

● Good grief, man, don’t be telling people that the 1.45 percent tax on hospital revenues that Gov. Sonny Perdue has proposed and that the Legislature is about to accept won’t be added to the pills and bills of paying patients. The tax — politicians call it a fee — “has to come through the efficiencies of the hospitals” and “cannot be passed on to patients,” said the good conservative Republican, state Rep. Jimmy Pruett of Eastman. Yes and those hidden $20 billion in taxes on medical equipment contained in the Washington health care bill are gonna be eaten by goblins before they get passed through to the rest of us.

● The Market Bulletin published by the state Department of Agriculture for 93 years is a Georgia treasure. Though its content does occasionally promote the boss, it’s largely nonpolitical. Cost to produce is $774,000 annually. It goes twice monthly to 130,000 people who request it. Cost-cutting conservatives are proposing a $10 subscription charge, which is expected to cut circulation in half. I’d pay the $10 and can’t in good conscience argue against it. It’s a legitimate user fee. But I’d rather pay $20 and have it sent free to those whose income is less than $35,000 per year.

● James Kau, a real estate professor at UGA’s Terry College of Business, makes a compelling argument in last Sunday’s AJC that government bailouts “reward negative outcomes and mediocre choices” in home buying and lead to “further mortgage defaults and cries for more bailouts. Bailouts are nothing more than a politically-based catastrophic solution to a market correction.” Man, we’ve got to make this guy’s teachings mandatory. He’s a jewel.

● Mandate, too, that students and aspiring politicians read the AJC guest commentary Thursday by another distinguished professor, Scott Beaulier of Mercer University in Macon, entitled “Taxing and spending is going from bad to worse.” He makes marvelous points: Businesses and therefore jobs flee high-tax states for lower ones. Politicians should make “significant cuts in the size and scope of government in Georgia.” And, “spending rules [should be] adopted to prevent future crises from developing.” Now if we can just get some of those professors in the social sciences schooled by this Distinguished Professor of Capitalism.

● AJC.com headline: “Can schools stop obesity?” Sure, in the less than 10 percent of a child’s day that they have, schools can stop obesity, be a daddy, teach social skills, stop bullying, build self-esteem and train them to be little greenies and peaceniks. And, oh yes, teach them to read and write.

291 comments Add your comment

Mid-South Philosopher

March 26th, 2010
5:50 am

Good morning Jim,

No body really wants the health insurance system in the United States NOT to be reformed. It has long treated the American people (including the wealthy) shabbily!

That being said, the way in which the Socialist party (aka: former Democratic party) rammed through the reform legislation with a “nanny state” mentality will result in their massive defeat come November. Following that, I just hope that, when the Republicans repeal “Obamacare”, I hope they will offer something with more teeth than just “buying insurance across state lines.”

The mentality of most of our politicians is equivalent to the combined intelligence of a colony of mentally impaired picnic ants!

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
6:29 am

“Obama and the democrats CAMPAIGNED on health care reform. They are doing what the MAJORITY voted for.”

They wanted lower premiums. This bill won’t lower premiums. Are to you to stu-stu-stupid to understand that?

GBO

March 26th, 2010
6:46 am

I’m an Independent. What most “centrists” are sick of are wingnuts on both sides of the aisle. As someone said previously, it was the Independents (not me though) that helped vote in Obama and the Dems on his coattails. If the Liberal Dems think all of those votes still support them and their Socialist agenda, they are sadly misguided. The vote gave the Dems the right to put forth their policies, not strong arm and stuff them down everyone’s throats with an arrogance that has not been seen in decades. Did the Republicans screw up, no question…and that is why I am not a Republican. Have the current group of Republicans present any real ideas, nope. But unlike most of the blind Obama followers on the blogs here, I’ve seen the healthcare systems in the UK. If the girl with maybe 14 teeth in the drive thru at Mcd’s is the future of healthcare here, and it is if the Dems keep making some pay for all and others not pay at all, then it gets scary. You don’t know what you just voted for…I do.

One Voice

March 26th, 2010
7:04 am

Jim: Once again you’re completely divorced from reality. Chances of repealing health care legislation are somewhere between zero and zero. There’s not a chance in hell that Republicans win 2/3 majorities in congress. And the way it looks right now, with the thugery and racism on the right and the majority of the country pleased about the reform (or thinking it didn’t go far enough), your guys might not come away with any net gains. And Coburn’s block of unemployment benefits is more evidence of how out of step the right is with middle class Americans.

Baker seems to be the only sensible politician in the state today. He chose not to bring a lawsuit that would cost millions and would have no chance of winning. None. Seems like a logical (not partisan choice to me).

And a “distinguished” professor from Mercer? Sorry, I’ll stick with the advice of Nobel prize winners and professors from credible institutions who advocate small cuts while finding ways to increase revenues. What your guy suggests is exactly what sent us into the Great Depression. Seems like some history classes should be mandatory for him (and a little more higher ed for you).

GBO

March 26th, 2010
7:07 am

@ Concerned Georgian

First, turn off your caps, we aren’t “deaf” hear. Second, the government does not pay for anything, it is taken from taxpayers (like me…what about you). I am sick and tired of a whole bunch of people thinking the government pays or withholds funds. they distribute funds. There are a bunch of people that want everything, but want everyone else (the vaguely described “rich”) to pay for it for them. I’m sorry “Concerned Georgian” but you are only entitled to what you contribute…nothing more, nothing less.

Annette

March 26th, 2010
7:07 am

Dear “Republicans are sorry”:

Go suck an egg and brace yourself for the revolution that’s coming in November when decent people sweep the Democrat scum out of office.

Bill Campbell

March 26th, 2010
7:11 am

Obama didn’t win in a landslide. Obama won because he is black. People voted for change from Bush. Most people who voted for Obama wish they could take back their votes. The majority of the public doesn’t want a socialist state! The public was taken in by Obama’s lies. That is why there is so many people mad. Obama will be a one term President and already has become the worst President in American history! The present Democrats will be voted out of office because of their corruption! Nothing but facts.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
7:13 am

@ One Voice

According to every poll I’ve seen, the majority OPPOSED this version of reform…you need to wean yourself from MSNBC and that idiot Olberman. At least watch CNN or ABC once in awhile. Your numbers have NO basis in reality. As far as the “thugs” on the righ, the left did evey backroom slight of hand making promises and threats to everyone in the Dem party to barely slide this through…and for the record, I have studied history…and when the so called majority can refuse to contributte and still “vote” the right to take all away from the producers, then the country will fail. Marxism eventually destroys the will of the people to work.

vince neil

March 26th, 2010
7:14 am

I will repeat this for the democrats and “progressives”…..PLEASE LIST FOR ME THE CITIES, COUNTIES, STATES, OR COUNTRIES run by and governed under the ideals of your worldview which are not settings standards of at best MEDIOCRITY?

I can list 10 without even thinking hard located within 30 miles of metro ATL which should be shuttered….my question is truly asked with honest transparency….What is it you expect to accomplish and who do think will pay for it?

Road Scholar

March 26th, 2010
7:17 am

Good morning, Peadawg! Allright Peadawg, I’ll bite, how would you reduce premiums? What has been passed should slow the growth.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
7:19 am

and for the record, it was the Republicans that abolished slavery…not the Democrat…and it was Johnson (a Democrat) who led us into a war and deficits, when Bush was still an infant. Those types of problems started long before Bush or Clinton or Reagan.

Mitch

March 26th, 2010
7:23 am

Your comment, “Can schools stop obesity” is great. It is a summation of the major problem of the schools. The schools are asked to solve every major social, cultural, and economic problem which comes down the pike and then educate in their remaining time.

GBO

March 26th, 2010
7:30 am

@ Road Scholar

My question in return is how does adding free or nearly free coverage to 30 million Americans COST LESS? What was indicated was that insurance would be reined in, but what they failed to mention was the higher taxes (that are taken from workers) to pay for some or most of this. The Dems still backed away from tort reform even though neither it nor insurance reform really constitute a major portion of the annual health care costs.

I’ve seen the health system int he UK..very similaiar to the VA system in the US. What Obama also failed to address is in a system that alread works Drs and nurses excessively to meet demand, where are these new healthcare professionals going to come from. Unfortunately, you can’t go down to the GA Dept of Unemployment Security and say, “I need 16 doctors and 42 nurses”. It does not work like that. Rationing and long queques are a given in government healthcare. It is what it is.

Lt Col

March 26th, 2010
7:36 am

The only thing that is sorry is the blogger calling himself REPUBLICANS ARE SORRY. He or she has the worst case of motor mouth in the South!

jt

March 26th, 2010
7:43 am

“The feds’ constitutional authority to regulate interstate commerce does not extend to forcing individuals to buy specific products,”

Likewise Mr. Wooten, their authority does not extend to forcing individuals NOT to buy something also.
If the state of Georgia voted to allow medical mariuana , you would have no objection to the federalies stepping in to stop this. Under the commerce clause of course.

My correction to this assumption is welcome.

Buzz G

March 26th, 2010
7:45 am

Not only do we need to throw out liberal Democrats, we need to throw out liberal Republicans. We are in this mess somewhat because too many Republicans were having too much fun acting too much like Democrats.

Kevin O'Mahoney

March 26th, 2010
7:50 am

Go ahead and try to repeal the insurance reform. I want to watch compassionate conservatism in action as you tell people with pre-existing conditions that their government has decided to kill them off in favor of corporate profits.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
7:51 am

“What has been passed should slow the growth.”
Forcing the insurance companies to insure millions of unhealthy is NOT going to slow the increase in premiums. Insurance companies will have to raise premiums even higher to cover all these medical costs. Like I’ve said many times…good in theory but Obama and Skeletor flat out lied to the American people.

WATCH OUT, LIBERALS. HERE IT COMES!!!!

March 26th, 2010
7:53 am

The resurgence of conservative sentiment among a surprisingly large segement of the population is a response to the hard left turn that the President and his Democrat-controlled Congress are trying to take. As the saying goes, “every dog has it’s day”. The good news is that the Dems time in power is going to be a relatively short two years. They are doing a wonderful job of proving themselves to be fiscally irresponsible idealogues that are utterly incapable of governing and are going to get tossed out on their rear ends this Fall and again in 2012. It will be a decade before anyone buys into their campaign promises again and Barack Obama is going to go down as a modern-day Jimmy Carter. I can’t wait for the upcoming elections!!!!!!!

Jay

March 26th, 2010
7:55 am

I am so embarrassed! Get rid of Sonny P. and Newt G; these hillbillies must go!

vracer

March 26th, 2010
7:57 am

Get the school kids in shape. Every morning all line up by class and run three times around the school track. Costs nothing and will work.

sharecropper

March 26th, 2010
8:01 am

Wooten, you continue to be a fool. Let me guess: you have Medicare and/or AJC health insurance. Right? My, how comfortable you are. Get real on repeal: it ain’t gonna happen. Not now, not next year, not ever. But the answer from you and your ilk seems to be: let all the crackers just die. My god, you are pathetic.

MARTIN

March 26th, 2010
8:10 am

reebok

March 26th, 2010
8:15 am

Gotta love Wooten…standing astride the tide of history, holding up a hand and screaming “STOP!”

That is, of course, a quote that William F Buckley liked to say about himself and other arch-consrevatives, but nobody fiils the bill these days like our own dear old Jim…

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
8:21 am

“Gotta love Wooten…standing astride the tide of history, holding up a hand and screaming “STOP!””

I know, right? How dare Wooten stands in the way of a bill that will raise premiums even more than they are going up now! The nerve!!!!!

One Voice

March 26th, 2010
8:23 am

GBO: You’re misinformed. A recent CNN poll (not MSNBC) had 59% against and 39% in favor. However, if you look at the breakdown, 13% of the 59% against were against the bill because it was not liberal enough. So that means that 52% of the country either is in favor of the bill or would like to see a more liberal one, while only 46% oppose it outright. Funny how those numbers almost exactly mirror the numbers from the presidential election in 2008.

If you have studied history you should know this: A Republican did free the slaves, but at that time the parties were juxtaposed idealogically from where they are today. Back then Republicans were liberals (for a strong federal government and progressive change) and Democrats were conservative (for states’ rights, “traditional” values [i.e. the big business of slavery], and the status quo). Gotta go back and hit the books, professor.

Some people are stupid

March 26th, 2010
8:27 am

GBO -Lincoln republicans became the new democrats, and the Whig party became the current republicans.

georgiadawg70

March 26th, 2010
8:30 am

All of the liberal losers that are blogging have been to seminars held by the unions and acorn. The are taght to resond in mass to blog using different names and to support the socialist line. Dont pay them any attention, they are just a few losers who dont work and have nothing to do but talk on cell phones, somke cigarettes, watch Jerry Springer and live off the achievers of the world.

William

March 26th, 2010
8:31 am

Jay

March 26th, 2010
7:55 am
Would you like to give the majority a reason you want them to go and why you call them hillbillies? Or is that as much as your DNC spin card reads.

Steven

March 26th, 2010
8:33 am

Jim Wooten – Soundbite Factory for the Right. No worry about thinking for yourself. Jim will tell you what you need to think. And he’ll achieve it in one paragraph per topic. Don’t worry about the pesky little facts; just memorize, spew and repeat.

William

March 26th, 2010
8:33 am

Some people are stupid

March 26th, 2010
8:27 am
The greatest and most powerful angel Lucifer became satan. What is your point?

Some people are stupid

March 26th, 2010
8:33 am

georgiadawg70 -
And what of conservative losers, they are tuaght to regurgitate the lines of anybody on fox news.

Some people are stupid

March 26th, 2010
8:34 am

William- Someone said the republicans freed the slaves.

William

March 26th, 2010
8:34 am

Steven

March 26th, 2010
8:33 am

Steven you have confused conervatives with progressive liberals. Conservatives can read and write, really.

Norm

March 26th, 2010
8:38 am

Comments from the highly politicized are usually quite inane!

William

March 26th, 2010
8:38 am

Some people are stupid

March 26th, 2010
8:34 am

The Emancipation Proclamation consists of two executive orders issued by United States President Abraham Lincoln during the American Civil War. The first one, issued September 22, 1862, declared the freedom of all slaves in any state of the Confederate States of America that did not return to Union control by January 1, 1863. The second order, issued January 1, 1863, named ten specific states where it would apply. Lincoln issued the Executive Order by his authority as “Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy” under Article II, section 2 of the United States Constitution.[1]

Lincoln was in the Republican party

Chris

March 26th, 2010
8:41 am

Republicans, get over it! Your plan to “break Obama” has failed. He got health care passed and now you want to repeal the law? What about the millions of people who will benefit from this new law? Did you forget about them? But of course you can’t care about them when all you care about defeating Obama. It’s not even about health care to you guys any more, its just about “getting back at Obama”; and here I’m thinking people left this type of behavior back in grade school. You Republicans are (still) acting like a bunch of whiny spoiled brats.

Steven

March 26th, 2010
8:41 am

William – Sorry, you’re the confused one. But you feel free to believe whatever you need to be able to sleep at night. The vast majority of your brainless cohorts suck down the swill served on Fox News and believe it relgiously. Pun intended.

Some people are stupid

March 26th, 2010
8:43 am

William-
I know Lincoln was a republican. I was stating that the party of Lincoln transformed into the modern democratic party, while the whigs transformed into what is now known as the GOP.

jconservative

March 26th, 2010
8:43 am

Wow Jim, you stirred up a hornets nest with your first comment.

So you want to repeal? OK, you will need 289 votes in the House and 67 in the Senate. Remember, you will need to override an Obama veto. That is a tall order to come up with off of one election.

If one wants to vote to kick Democrats out, who do they replace the Democrats with? It would be dumb to put the Republicans back in, remember Medicare Part D, cutting taxes and increasing spending, nation building in Iraq & No Child Left Behind? So who do we put into office?
I would suggest Libertarians but they do not know how to campaign, see our buddy Bob Barr, so they will not be successful.

Looks like we are stuck with the same crowd, liberal Republicans and Democrats, for the foreseeable future.

Kind of sickening isn’t it?

Fun, Fun, Fun

March 26th, 2010
8:43 am

“No body really wants the health insurance system in the United States NOT to be reformed. It has long treated the American people (including the wealthy) shabbily!”

Oh really, Mid South? When the republicans were in power, never heard a peep of that.

“i said you sound LIKE a douchebag…I didn’t call anyone a douchebag…..”

Oooo. Big difference. Thanks for the clarification, Vince Neil.

The republicans new mantra…. “Don’t abort that fetus if you can’t afford to have it, but i’ll be DAMNED if you will use any of my tax money to pay part of your maternaty bill.”

This is so fun to watch. Talk radio and FOX news talking heads made sure the politcians on the right did not take part in any of the negotiations for health care. And then they cry “they shut us out!” And they cry because of debt but never heard a sound when the prescription drug deal came along without being paid for. And whoever heard of a tax break during a time of two wars?

Unbelieveable. Keep crying.

We all lose

March 26th, 2010
8:45 am

There are a bunch of delusional folks on here. Failures of both parties put us in this mess. When the new folks solution pushes us deeper in the hole and all they can do is blame the last guy, (got news–Newts been out of office for a long time,) the people see through it. We might be largely apathetic, but we ain’t stupid. In the words of Yamamoto: “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.”

DT

March 26th, 2010
8:47 am

Poll on CBS news concerning Obamacare; 85% dissaprove of Obamacare. All you liberals are wrong. This is not an Atlanta poll, it is a Nation wide poll. You can find it here.
Quick Poll

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000144-503544.html?tag=stack

Reality

March 26th, 2010
8:47 am

Question for all conservatives….

Every single Constitutional lawyer says that these states law suits are unfounded and will fail. In GA, our own Attourney General has said that as well.

Now, Perdue want to pursue a law suit on his own. He wants to appoint a special Attourney General and move forward with this WASTE of tax payer money. How much will this “special AG” cost? How much will this law suit doomed to fail cost?

At a time when the GA budget is horribly bad and important services are being cut to the bone, such as education, WHY AREN’T THE CONSERVATIVES UP IN ARMS ABOUT PERDUE’S WASTE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS?

I guess the conservatives really aren’t that conservatives when it comes to GA tax money.

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
8:49 am

Chris, I hope you enjoy your increased premiums once insurance companies are forced to cover millions of sick people! I’ll go ahead and say it now…told ya so!

Peadawg

March 26th, 2010
8:50 am

Reality, I do agree w/ you on the Sonny Purdue thing..he is an idiot.

jconservative

March 26th, 2010
8:50 am

I still do not understand why Georgia should spend a nickel on filing a suit against the health care bill; 13 States have already done so. How is 14 going to make the points of law better/stronger?

Some people are stupid

March 26th, 2010
8:50 am

DT-
Is that poll poll you really want to represent. I voted six times in a row. Not a truly scientific poll.

DT

March 26th, 2010
8:51 am

Abraham Lincoln was a Whig/Republican.

Cutty

March 26th, 2010
8:51 am

Wooten is starting to back away from ethics reform.

“The tax — politicians call it a fee — “has to come through the efficiencies of the hospitals” and “cannot be passed on to patients”

Not politicians, REPUBLICANS Wooten.