Health vote puts some Dems at risk

Thinking Right’s weekend free-for-all. Pick a topic:

● The former chief operating officer for the DeKalb schools, the woman responsible for the system’s nuts-and-bolts financial details, neglects one teensy-weensy detail about her own life. Patricia Pope said she was “unknowingly” still married when she nuptialized the architect to whom she is suspected of steering school construction contracts. One doesn’t remember buying an extra wrench — not ordinarily taking an extra husband.

● Remember the 1989 spectacle of former House Ways and Means chairman Dan Rostenkowski being chased down the street by angry seniors objecting to the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act of 1988? We’ll see that all over the country if tone-deaf Democrats ignore the nation’s opposition and proceed to pass ObamaCare — especially if House Speaker Nancy Pelosi attempts a procedural end-run around the Constitution.

● The AJC’s Washington correspondent, Bob Keefe, notes that two of Georgia’s House Democrats are undecided on what all media insists on calling health care “reform.” That’d be U.S. Reps. John Barrow of Savannah and Sanford Bishop of Albany. In ordinary times, both would be in safe seats. Not now. Pollsters warn that, given public anger, the president and congressional leaders could defeat enough red state Democrats to flip the House. Other Georgia Democrats voting for the “reform” are in safe districts. Not the “B” boys.

● Hospital officials at the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio dispute the cancer-patient claim repeatedly cited by President Barack Obama that without health care “reform” she’d have to “choose between her home and her health insurance.” Most likely, she’s eligible for Medicaid, regardless of the outcome of ObamaCare. The problem repeatedly with individual stories used to justify an expansion of state and federal programs is that they’re always one critical unrevealed fact shy of full disclosure.

● Great ideas from a seven-member task force appointed by Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle to identify future economies in state government. One obvious way is to reduce payroll. While revenues dropped 23 percent over the past year, they note, payroll dropped by 7 percent. The top-rated reason that politicians raise taxes is to avoid staff layoffs. The task force identifies $3 billion in possible savings, though some are “politically unviable,” says Cagle. “Politically unviable” proposals require determined and visionary leaders who make the effort to sell their ideas to voters.

● Sandy Springs officials demonstrate one of the sterling features of hiring private contractors to perform public services. With a year to go before its contract with Colorado-based CH2M Hill expires, officials are exploring possible changes, including contracting with several firms rather than just one. Two points: One is that with privatization, government can “fire” one provider deemed to be too expensive or not to be performing adequately and hire another. The other, more important, is that the pension costs, which are crippling Atlanta and other governments, are contained in the contracts. No hidden, embedded costs for the grandchildren to pay off.

● Really, we all should get together in a huge American confab and agree that “victims” who materialize subsequent to major news events — the Toyota recall, for example — and those whose “harm” tends to confirm a popular bigotry stereotype, are probably bogus. We should also require that those who gather to protest cuts in public services should be paying 50 percent of the cost of providing it. (We’ll also consider waiving a requirement for college students that their protest signs have to be grammatically correct.)

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Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 18th, 2010
8:08 pm

Patricia Pope sounds like an average DeKalb civil servant to me.

Agree, that democrats voting for Obamacare are putting themselves at risk. Good news, I heard Tom Coburn advise that he would put a hold on appointments of any democrat who votes for Obamacare and loses in November. Might make it tough for Chauncey to buy some votes.

The phony story coming out of the Chauncey story about Cleveland Clinic is standard procedure for democrats. When have they ever made an honest argument in pursuit of litigation?

There is no such thing as essential state spending. It’s not as if the Georgia legislature is protecting us from al Qaeda.

My own way to address the false claims against Toyota was to buy a 2010 Toyota a month ago.

Marcus Graham

March 18th, 2010
9:35 pm

“Not the “B” boys…” Supposed play on the last names and you insulted them by using an urban slang term and you referred to two accomplished adult African-American men as “BOYS”. You are such an idiot and you and your editor owe your readers an apology!

Marcus Graham

March 18th, 2010
9:37 pm

Gee, your third bullet point is SO TRUE! Remember Joe the Plumber and his story about buying a business that he didn’t own and he was flat broke and behind on taxes?

joan

March 18th, 2010
10:33 pm

-And Ms. Pope’s credentials are what?? She can’t remember she is married. Maybe she is of a certain class of people.
-Don’t think Hank Johnson is safe either. We can always put another one like him in Congress, just like we put him in instead of that idiot McKinney.
-About Obama and this hc monstrosity. He will lie like a rug to get what he wants, twist arms and threaten. Totally thug politics, and I am sick of the entire mess of kiss butts who are voting for this “to save his legacy”. I know what his legacy will be. Higher taxes, more entitlements, and America as a third world nation. I am surprised he doesn’t want us all to live in mud huts with thatched roofs.
-you forgot about putting the student loan business into the health care. Now students can only get loans from the government! Do they have to swear in blood to be progressives??

DebbieDoRight

March 18th, 2010
10:34 pm

Well for pete’s sake!! Everytime I see your “column” (snicker, snicker), I’m amazed that you’re still alive!!! Suffering from delusions of grandeur, petty, pretty spastic, purely senile, but still alive!!! I guess the devil really does take care of its own!!

PS: I hope you’re not living off of the government with social security and Medicare — you’re so rich, you don’t need it!

The Cynical White Boy

March 18th, 2010
10:45 pm

I had a dream today….

I dreamt I was rich….and I didn’t have to worry about paying bills, I just wrote donation checks to Republicans

Then I dreamt I was unionized…and I made others pay my bills, because I owned plenty of Democrats

Then I dreamt I was poor…and I didn’t have any bills to pay…I had lifetime bailouts and cradle-to-grave Obama-care benefits

Then I woke up! Hell, I’m middle class, so I pay all the bills for the above, and I don’t have any politicians (or lobbyists) to order around.

The Black Knight

March 18th, 2010
10:56 pm

“One doesn’t remember buying an extra wrench — not ordinarily taking an extra husband.”

Good line, awkwardly phrased, so it lost much of it’s punch. Whatever.

The Black Knight

March 18th, 2010
10:58 pm

“We’ll see that all over the country if tone-deaf Democrats ignore the nation’s opposition and proceed to pass ObamaCare”

Instigating riots is an excellent resume filler.

The Black Knight

March 18th, 2010
11:07 pm

“Pollsters warn that, given public anger….”

The entire third paragraph reads so confused that it’s like you’ve been taking acid or something. “The B boys”. Okay, it’s funny, I guess in some weird, in-close visceral sense, but only if you wash it down with beer.
But seriously, it’s like you can’t be bothered to complete a thought, you merely gesture like an old man at dinner who was so self absorbed that he would barely point to the salt and expect the other diners to notice and then oblige.

We didn’t, and we wont.

Jklol.

The Black Knight

March 18th, 2010
11:10 pm

” The problem repeatedly with individual stories used to justify an expansion of state and federal programs is that they’re always one critical unrevealed fact shy of full disclosure.”

That sentence is one critical slap short of a stooge.

I voted for Healthcare Reform

March 18th, 2010
11:30 pm

I actually think Healthcare Reform is going to put Republicans in jeopardy because the bill is very moderate and includes their ideas. The public is going to wonder why they didn’t get involved in it. ….Remember Medicaid…Hmmmm.

The Black Knight

March 18th, 2010
11:40 pm

“We’ll also consider waiving a requirement for college students that their protest signs have to be grammatically correct.”

We, Kahn? You mean when you’re revived band of right wing flat earther birthers takes over the ship?

KAHHHNN!!!!

Sicko

March 18th, 2010
11:59 pm

Do we have healthcare yet?

Cutty

March 19th, 2010
12:06 am

……while Wooten’s Social Security check is delivered to his mailbox. And he probably went to college on the G.I. Bill.

Madison

March 19th, 2010
2:07 am

Marcus@ 9:35, Are you going to be the one to break the news to John Barrow that he is an African American? IF so, You must understand that this is going to be quite a shock to him so be prepared.

GaLiberal

March 19th, 2010
3:44 am

Wooten: Just f’n retire already. I have had enough of your outright lies and your shilling for the republiNazis. If you’re sooooooo conservative, then I guess you return your SS checks. No, I bet you cash them and give the money to some racist group like the RNC.

BitterEXdemocrackkk

March 19th, 2010
6:35 am

GaLieberal, the democrackkks are the ORIGINAL ‘party’ of SLAVERY! the Republicans FREED the slaves!

Hera

March 19th, 2010
6:54 am

Pleases help get this or a similar bill passed. Blog it everywhere if you agree.

Congressional Reform Act of 2010

1. Term Limits: A total of 12 years, one of the possible options below.

A. Two Six year Senate terms

B. Six Two year House terms

C. One Six year Senate term and three Two Year House terms

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

2. No Tenure / No Pension:

A member of congress collects a salary while in office and shall receives no salary, expenses, benefits or other remuneration from tax dollars when they are out of office.

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

3. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security:

All funds in the Congressional retirement fund moves to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, Congress participates with the American people.

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, server their term(s), then go home and back to work.

4. Congress can purchase their own retirement and health care plans just as all Americans.

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

5. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

6. Congressional staff members shall have no benefit that is herein not provided to their Congressperson.

Serving with Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

7. Congress must equally abide in all laws they impose on the American people and may not exempt themselves from any such laws.

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.

8. All contracts with past and present congressmen are void effective 1/1/11

The American people did not make these contracts with members of congress, the congress members made all these contracts for themselves in their best interests.

Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, serve your term(s), then go home and back to work.

9. Each person running for Congress shall provide a written contract with the American People setting out their campaign pledges and as reasonability possible how they expect to effectuate said pledges in detail no less than six months prior to the election. Said contract shall be signed by the candidate, published and put on line.

The American people have to know what they are voting for and The American people have the right to recall or have impeached these Elected Officials that lie to get elected.

10. Each Congressperson shall have ALL their public offices monetary accounts recorded on line day by day, to include but not be limited to: salaries, expenses, benefits, committee remunerations, travel, per diems, rents, supplies, vehicles; costs of any and all natures that are paid from tax dollars.

The American people have the right to know how their tax dollars are being used and the American people have the right to recall or have impeached those Elected Officials that steal or misuse tax dollars.

Mark Sanford

March 19th, 2010
7:11 am

I remember taking an extra wench; but no extra wrenches!

BeBe KID

March 19th, 2010
8:10 am

The nature of politics is risk. If it is too hot get out of the kitchen.

Get Real

March 19th, 2010
8:10 am

Hera, I love the way you think! Great Post! These people we have in office have scammed America and have a cush job and are way out of control with their power. They vote as to what benefits them and not what the American people want.

Jeff

March 19th, 2010
8:10 am

……while Wooten’s Social Security check is delivered to his mailbox. And he probably went to college on the G.I. Bill.

Both paid for by the recipient. One after years & years of paying into the system, the other as part of a compensation package.

TRUTH

March 19th, 2010
8:15 am

@ Mark Sanford (7:11 am), er, Mark, that would be “wenches.”

Hera, a frikkin’ standing ovation to you. Citizen servants with a cap on terms IS what is needed. these bozos have made a career of it.

As for you Jimbo, leave. Get out. Go somewhere….FAR AWAY. Your contemptuous and bigoted viewpoints are really coming through. You see the LOSS coming on Sunday to you and the rest of the GOP, Tea Bagging, Conservative, Birther, Deather, Bigoted, Racist, Big Business, (I’m sure I left some groups/factions out). HR is going to pass, and it is about time. You and your other misled associates scream for freedom, yet your view of freedom is to be enslaved to the insurance industry and other special interests. YOUR freedom is too support a party that lies, distorts, and obstructs the will of the majority. This CHANGE will pass. And the GOP knows what will happen next, the people who you have LIED too, will see that it was all politics. Smoke and mirrors. BS. Which will hurt the greed merchants and next will come the roar from the people for a public option, thus ending the record profits for big insurance, and the deaths of so many Americans.

Jimbo, YOU GOTTA GO!!!

Northern Songs, LTD

March 19th, 2010
8:17 am

Hey, “I Voted for Healthcare” — This is hardly “bipartisan”, or even “moderate”. Even after the dubious “Healthcare Summit”, only one ‘R’ idea made into the bill, an increase in payments to primary care physicians under Medicaid, proposed by Senator Charles Grassley, Republican of Iowa.

But say, Jim, who was that president that signed the late, lamented,”Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act of 1988?” Not only signed it, but proposed it in a State of the Union address. What WAS his name?

Th

March 19th, 2010
8:33 am

From a long time loyal Democrat who has spent many an hour knocking on doors, making phone calls, writing checks, etc. to get Democrats elected, I have one thing to say. Pass the bill. Now. I know the bill is a rehashed version of a Republican alternative from 1993, but we sent you to Washington to pass health care reform and now is the time. Do it. No excuses accepted.

oldtimer

March 19th, 2010
8:35 am

I really like how you think!

SetEmUpAndKnockEmDown

March 19th, 2010
8:41 am

Set em up and knock em down. Again Jim, such amazing talent. Next time try a few more straw men arguments to prove your real intellect. Pathetic.

Jason T

March 19th, 2010
8:43 am

Truth
Or lack of? Too much caffeine? Pure BS. There’s no doubt you are on the side of the cradle-to-the-grave, Government looter/moocher society.

Marine

March 19th, 2010
8:45 am

LTD. You must have read the bill, how long did it take?

Mark Sanford

March 19th, 2010
8:50 am

And I took an extra hoe, but no extra wrenches.

Will

March 19th, 2010
8:55 am

Mr. Wooten:

Remember last month when republican newspaper writers and republican radio entertainers were making fun of “global warming” because it had been cold in Georgia and had snowed several times in Washington, D.C.?

This month the break up of the ice on the Red River has come much earlier because of the unusually warm weather in North Dakota, thus threatening to flood many areas.

Since cold weather in January and February “proved” that global warming was a hoax, do you think unusually warm weather in North Dakota is March “proves” global warming is real?

Me neither.

Fred

March 19th, 2010
8:59 am

It is a shame that there is no intelligent discourse on the ideas and concepts presented in this column just attacks on the author. It is an indicator of either our education systems or our collective character when the majority of the comments are of a nature that would have gotten the speaker an “F” in high school logic and debate classes.

Hera, I too like your concept. The devil is in the details but it would be great if we could get even half of what you propose.

jconservative

March 19th, 2010
9:01 am

“…especially if House Speaker Nancy Pelosi attempts a procedural end-run around the Constitution.”

Someone help. What end run around the Constitution? I am opposed to the bill but I do not see an “end run around the Constitution”. Can anyone help me on this? Jim does not comment on his columns.

Mark Sanford

March 19th, 2010
9:03 am

Enter your comments here

Mark Sanford

March 19th, 2010
9:06 am

Darn it Maria, keep your rear end off my keyboard!
You made me post one of those dumb-a$$ “Enter you comments here”

jconservative

March 19th, 2010
9:06 am

“Politically unviable” proposals require determined and visionary leaders who make the effort to sell their ideas to voters.

In the Georgia legislature? Now I get it Jim, since you retired you are a comedy writer for Saturday Night Live. Good for you!

Jason T

March 19th, 2010
9:08 am

jconservative
Article 1, Section 7. “All bills for raising Revenue…..”

AmVet

March 19th, 2010
9:12 am

“We should also require that those who gather to protest cuts in public services should be paying 50 percent of the cost of providing it.”

I presume this sentiment is tongue-in-cheek.

Otherwise I’d inquire as to why the US Constitution-hating faux conservatives tend to be so fascistic…

Morrus

March 19th, 2010
9:15 am

Vote out the incumbents and start over

Jess

March 19th, 2010
9:32 am

TRUTH,

You must be getting your talking points from Pelosi if you think health insurance companies are making record profits. 2009 average profit margin 2.2%. Pelosi is still railing against the immoral profits of these companies because most of her audience is too lazy to read a financial page. You must be among this group as well. Total profits of the entire health insurance industry last year were $12.2 billion. If you took it all how far do you think it would go in the trillion dollar Obama care world?

StJ

March 19th, 2010
10:15 am

“The problem repeatedly with individual stories used to justify an expansion of state and federal programs is that they’re always one critical unrevealed fact shy of full disclosure.”

The other repeated problem is that such omissions are by design…also applicable when “junk science” is used as justification for some new government program/abuse of freedom.

retiredds

March 19th, 2010
10:25 am

Jim, two items: my guess is that you would lead the stampede of Tea baggers and other “we are losing our freedom” folks, chasing Democrats down some street in Washington, DC, and two, your compatriot Jay Bookman has written a piece, “Once battlefield changes to bank reform, the GOP in trouble” this morning that I think is more on target than you are on the subject of health care. You see you keep forgetting that historically the GOP favors big business including Wall Street Heisters, over the men and women of Main Street. Oh, they sing a good tune on stage telling Main Street “we’re on your side”, but once in the dressing room they continue to cut deals that even you, well probably not you – you appear to be too hard core GOP, would cringe at.

Jason T

March 19th, 2010
10:32 am

retiredds
You need to do some fact checking, some of the biggest backers of the Democratic Party come from–take a wild guess—–Wall Street.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 19th, 2010
10:41 am

Dear Hera @ 6:54, pretty good for an unlucid hour. May I suggest a couple of additions:

(1) Extend the limitations to non-military employees of the executive branch (often called “bureaucrats.”) We do not need lifers drawing a government paycheck.

(2) Add a 10 year limitation of judiciary appointments.

Otherwise your post is brilliant.

retiredds

March 19th, 2010
10:47 am

Jason T, I know that there are many Wall Streeters who back Democrats. My friend, I didn’t come in on a cantaloupe truck yesterday. If you have been reading the WSJ and other more moderate news lately you would have noticed that the GOP has been working very hard to “woo” the Wall Street bankers BECAUSE of the bank reform legislation that is now under consideration. They see an opportunity to garner funds for their party as they do whatever they can to weaken the financial reform legislation. Fact checking is not needed as I fully understand BOTH parties are complicit in this money scheme. My point was, and is, that if you think the GOP is the friend of Main Street, you also believe in the Tooth Fairy.

Jason T

March 19th, 2010
11:00 am

retiredds
Not only do Wall Streeters back the Democratic Party, they are in the Obama Administrion; Michael Froman, Bob Rubin, Jamie Rubin to name a few. And if you think the Federal Government taking over Healthcare, the same Federal Government, that has squandered $Trillions from “Main Street”, the same Federal Government that loses $Billions running the USPS, Amtrack, Social Security, and Medicare is the answer. And you are willing to pay for this Health care “scam” for 4 years BEFORE the first benefit is paid….not only do you believe in The Tooth Fairy, but you also believe in The Easter Bunny, Bigfoot, Santa Claus, and Little Green Men.

Richard

March 19th, 2010
12:03 pm

Really Wooten? So now in order to protest the government you have to be making a certain amount of money? Did they teach you anything about hypocracy when you were in school?

I used to think protesting the government was a First Amendment right, not a privelege of the wealthy. Wooten, you’ve proved me wrong.

But let’s take this a step further. Based on Wooten logic, you have to pay for 50% of a road to drive on it, pay for 50% of the fire department to have them put out a fire in your burning home, and pay for 50% of the police for them to arrest the guy who holds you at gunpoint.

The American People

March 19th, 2010
1:28 pm

It puts them all at risk and The American People will speak loud in November………….a Republican Senator in Massachusetts? Just wait until November 2nd.

John

March 19th, 2010
3:11 pm

I knew Bishop would support Obama! He works for the people of the 2nd district! Those are the peopole who are going to put him in the unemployment line come November! Bishop, Pelosi, Reid, and obama are out of touch with main street America. There’s going to be a hell of a turn over in Nov! Marcus, quit playing the race card! Barrow is white, sorry but you skint your ignorance by opening your mouth.

rdh

March 19th, 2010
4:39 pm

“We should also require that those who gather to protest cuts in public services should be paying 50 percent of the cost of providing it.”

I love it. Listening to WSB radio, one student said, “I think that they should raise taxes rather than our tuition”. Listen, kid, times are tough. You are talking about raising taxes on people trying to hang onto their houses… so that YOU can go to school. I could go into any of our Universities in Georgia and cut a dozen degree programs and 100 classes from the curriculum and no one would notice the difference. So until they get rid of majors such as “Womens Studies” or “Fashion Merchandising ” or “Turf Grass Management”, don’t ask beleaguered taxpayers to fork over even more money to subsidize 4 years of useless degrees.

p.s. To the State Board of Regents: In the future, keep your spending in line with inflation. Adding useless majors and programs in the name of “a well balanced college life” during times of largess is what got you to this point. Focus on majors that lead to REAL JOBS.