The end is near
The end’s in sight. The war against terrorism is coming to an end. The law enforcement action against those who do Americans harm has evolved.
The hard Left in this country was, like the rest of us rallied, however briefly, around a strong President taking action in response to 9/11 to protect our shores and to keep Americans safe abroad. That support was not long-lasting. From the start, they recognized that a real war would require sacrifice and would divert resources from their goal of expanding domestic programs — universal healthcare for example.
With the decision by President Obama to move the trials of 9/11 mastermind Khlid Sheikh Mohammed and four other terrorist suspects into civilian courts in New York, the President makes it clear that he thinks terrorism is a police matter. Even New York Gov. David Paterson objects. “This is not a decision I would have made,” he said. “I think terrorism isn’t just attack, it’s anxiety and I think you feel the anxiety and frustration of New Yorkers who took the bullet for the rest of the country,” he said.
New York City, as well as those who served in the Pentagon and those who were aboard the seized airliners, did take the bullet for the rest of the country. What happened then — and I think what happened at Ft. Hood –was an attack on America.
The Left would like to be done with the war in Iraq and Afghanistan so that it can take those resources and direct them to Obamacare. An indecisive President is indecisive because, I suspect, he agrees with them and wants to get out, but not in a way that makes a cut-and-run retreat obvious, lest the consequences for the Middle East be blamed on him and his party in Congress.
Civilian trials for terrorists is another effort to ease terrorism from a military/natonal security to a law enforcement/justice problem.
Tell us what you think about the site
Customer Care »
Vacation stops, manage subscriptions and more
AJC Services
Sections
Other Editions
Guides
Visitor Agreement | Privacy Statement
© 2010 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
100 comments Add your comment
My personal Lord and Saviour, Rush Limbaugh
November 17th, 2009
7:57 am
You tell them Jim, the libs would rather give everyone healthcare rather than spend billions on a war fought under false pretenses. I vote for war, war on drugs,terrorism,and illegal immigrants.
jt
November 17th, 2009
8:41 am
“Civilian trials for terrorists is another effort to ease terrorism from a military/natonal security to a law enforcement/justice problem.”
Because of the precedents, It is also is an effective effort to get American civilians to accept the idea of being tortured and held for years without a trial.
In the mind of a statist, refusing to pay taxes, using an incadensant lightbulb, or driving a gas-guzzler is just as damaging to the collective will as a terrorist attack.
jconservative
November 17th, 2009
9:07 am
Disagree. Trying the terrorist in a military court elevates them to the status of a military prisoner of war. They are not military, they are civilians who murder other civilians. They should be tried as civilians and put to death as civilians. Give them the same treatment we have McVeigh, trial & death.
Ward
November 17th, 2009
9:26 am
They aren’t citizens, they’re prisoners of war, captured in a battlefield following an attack. They should be treated as such and tried in military tribunals. And moving the prisoners from Guantanamo to Illinois doesn’t change anything… it only allows BO to claim he’s accomplished something.
Del
November 17th, 2009
9:32 am
Obowma and that idiot he has for an A.G. are only throwing a bone to the hard-left by moving this to a civilian court in New York. It would be amusing watching this bogus president ditty bopping on a tight rope if it wasn’t so damaging to the country.
norman ravitch
November 17th, 2009
9:36 am
This may be Waterloo for Obama.
Barackula
November 17th, 2009
9:43 am
Honk if you’ve been hit by Joe Biden’s motorcade
Chris Salzmann
November 17th, 2009
9:47 am
JW SAID: The hard Left in this country was, like the rest of us rallied, however briefly, around a strong President taking action in response to 9/11 to protect our shores and to keep Americans safe abroad.
CHRIS SAYS: Yeah Jim, we rallied till we realized right after the invasion of Afghanistan that the “War on Terrorism” was just another excuse to settle scores. The invasion of Iraq is an example of that. The Bush Administration put 90% of its resources into the war in Iraq while letting Afghanistan fester. Soon after we invaded Afghanistan, the Taliban were discredited, defeated and on the run. In the 7 years since then, we let them regroup and reorganize because all our resources were concentrated in Iraq.
JW SAID: That support was not long-lasting. From the start, they recognized that a real war would require sacrifice and would divert resources from their goal of expanding domestic programs — universal healthcare for example.
CHRIS SAYS: Sacrifice??? Remember President Bush’s advice to Americans after 9/11??? Go shoppiing!!! Yeah, so much for shared sacrifice. Expanding domestic programs? Remember the Prescription Program for Medicare under President Bush??? What the heck do you call that? I guess you conservatives would rather spend our funds abroad than here in our own country.
JW SAID: With the decision by President Obama to move the trials of 9/11 mastermind Khlid Sheikh Mohammed and four other terrorist suspects into civilian courts in New York, the President makes it clear that he thinks terrorism is a police matter.
CHRIS SAYS: Why do you conservatives have such little faith in our justice system? These terrorists are criminal scum and should be treated as such. We tried and convicted the 1993 New York bombing suspects in civilian court and convicted them.
jt
November 17th, 2009
9:56 am
CHRIS SAYS: Why do you conservatives have such little faith in our justice system?
jt replies: Harvard lawyers.
Cutty
November 17th, 2009
10:04 am
How could it be a ‘war’ on terror if there was never a Declaration of War issued by Congress? You conservatives preach so much about the Constitution, yet don’t even read it.
“We’ll be greeted as liberators!”
“They’re in the north, the south, the east, and the west!”
What kind of victory did this country get out of Iraq? None.
Bottom line: There cannot be a ‘real’ war without a Declaration of War. Your boy Bush skirted around this to promote his hair-brained scheme in Iraq, to horrible results. Read the Constitution you ‘patriot’. smh.
Del
November 17th, 2009
10:28 am
Cutty,
It sounds as though you’ve been out of touch for the past year. George Bush competed his second term in office last year and John McCain ran as a Republican and lost to now president obama Mr. Obowma doesn’t seem to know that he is now the president because he continues to run against the previous administration while the country has been waiting for him to begin governing.
Chris Salzmann
November 17th, 2009
10:43 am
Del November 17th, 2009 10:28 am SAID: president obama Mr. Obowma doesn’t seem to know that he is now the president because he continues to run against the previous administration while the country has been waiting for him to begin governing.
CHRIS SAYS: President Obama has to play with the cards dealt by the previous Bush administration and continues to play those cards. Afghanistan? See my 9:47 post. Recession? This recession started in December 2007. Who was the President then? Obowma? You conservatives are really pretty amusing. President Obama bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia and the Japanese Emperor is what people call respect. You get respect when you dish it out. The old playground bully tactics don’t work. An important life lesson I guess the parents of all you conservatives forgot to instill in you. I guess that’s the result of poor parenting on their part so I really shouldn’t blame you entirely. Yeah, President Bush’s “my way or the highway” really helped our image, right? But what would the likes of Hannity, Limbaugh and Glenn and yourself know about respect? All three of them, BTW, all none-college educated windbags.
Peter
November 17th, 2009
10:48 am
Hey Jim……. Type something when you have an idea……Boy you write some propaganda CRAP !
Mutts R Stupid
November 17th, 2009
10:49 am
The End is Near: Does that mean the aj urinal will soon be history? Ah sure hope so. Let us also end the disproportionate taxation of Metro Atlanta to benefit rural Georgia. Time for Jim and his rural land owner ilk to start paying their fair share of property taxes. No more 6 mils in taxes for rural property, while in the Metro area we pay 20 mils, with part of our tax money going to support rural schools for the local yokels.
Cutty
November 17th, 2009
10:52 am
Del. Why do you think the present administration stopped using the term ‘war on terror.’ Your man Wooten called Bush a strong President. smh. Well I would rather be weak and right, than strong and wrong. You repubs would rather drop bombs on another country than try terrorists in our own judicial system. There are a number of terrorists who were tried in civilian courts here and are in federal prison right now for their crimes. You ‘patriots’ are doing nothing more than stirring fear and going against anything the President does. Even Bob Barr and Grover Norquist believe this is a non-issue. But leave it to Wooten to try and make something of it.
Peter
November 17th, 2009
10:52 am
The one thing I can say about Jim….he is a true America Divider……and sore looser !
Hard to believe he calls himself “Common Sense ” ?
Lost American...
November 17th, 2009
10:55 am
As a true American that refuses to label myself as either Conservative or Liberal, I am saddend be those on the right that insist that these times be viewed as for or against us… Its not that simple. We have spent Billions of dollars and Thousands of lives fighting a war that the hard right defines one way and the hard left defines another. Why should the American people have to decide between Feeling safe abroad and being healthy at home? And for Mr Wooten to frame these times in that manner does a dis-service to my Friend SSG Carl Fuller who was killed in Iraq and to my mother who died as Signa denied her coverage. We as a nation don’t have to choose one over the other… But I guess I am neither Republican nor Democrate..I am just an American and that just does not seem to be enough…..
ATL Resident
November 17th, 2009
10:56 am
Wow Jim. Actual paragraphs and more than one paragraph about the same topic. You ARE making progress.
booger
November 17th, 2009
10:58 am
I’m sure you will all feel a bit safer now that we are being protected from terrorists by the Atlanta police department.
Barackula
November 17th, 2009
10:59 am
I love the link on drudgereport today from ABC
It appears that the ONLY jobs created by the “Stimulus” have been at the recovery.gov website. The taxpayers have now forked out more than $30 million dollars for a site that posts inaccurate and deceptive numbers in some sort of nefarious method.
Stop Obama and the Dems now!
No more bills. No more spending. No more regulation. No more screwing around with my life.
As soon as I get home I’ll be in front of my congressman’s district office protesting.
I’ve never been involved in any sort of protest before. That’s changed as of today.
Astroturf my butt….. Kiss my butt Democrats and Republicans. The WAR to take my country back has begun.
Democrats are just plain STUPID !
Chris Salzmann
November 17th, 2009
10:59 am
Lost American… November 17th, 2009 10:55 am SAID: As a true American that refuses to label myself as either Conservative or Liberal, I am saddend be those on the right that insist that these times be viewed as for or against us… Its not that simple. We have spent Billions of dollars and Thousands of lives fighting a war that the hard right defines one way and the hard left defines another. Why should the American people have to decide between Feeling safe abroad and being healthy at home? And for Mr Wooten to frame these times in that manner does a dis-service to my Friend SSG Carl Fuller who was killed in Iraq and to my mother who died as Signa denied her coverage. We as a nation don’t have to choose one over the other… But I guess I am neither Republican nor Democrate..I am just an American and that just does not seem to be enough…..
CHRIS SAYS: Well said.
Ray Pugh
November 17th, 2009
11:00 am
But remember, Chris, college (and especially grad school) doesn’t educate you, it “indoctrinates” you. We should only listen to, elect, and exalt as role models those who have spent the least amount of time on their education, as long as they love Jesus and remember to call all who oppose them gay terrorist commies…
Del
November 17th, 2009
11:07 am
Chris Salzmann,
First of all my parents are both deceased and of course you’ve never known them any more than I’ve known yours. By making derogatory suppositions about my parents who once again you’ve never known you paint yourself as a jack ass. I won’t, however, blame your parents for that because I believe you have to take full responsibility. As for Obama playing Bush’s cards?. No he was elected and took the oath of office so he now has to take accountability. If you have a college education you should have learned that fact of life in America.
Chris Broe
November 17th, 2009
11:09 am
Jim Wooten is…..RIGHT! I’m shocked that they are allowing that controversial criminal into New York practically in the shadow of ground zero. Sarah Palin should go back to Alaska.
The war on terror was a joke from day one. I can never forgive the executive branch of our government for invading Iraq when the 911 conspirators were surrounded and sitting ducks for our army in Afghanistan, but our executive branch “wasn’t concerned where Osama Bin Laden is”.
I use the term “executive branch” loosely because I dont know which of the two parts of our executive branch was our defacto commander in chief when we let Osama and Al Queda escape.
Invading Iraq was the single most criminal act in our
Chris Salzmann
November 17th, 2009
11:16 am
Ray Pugh November 17th, 2009 11:00 am SAID:…….., as long as they love Jesus and remember to call all who oppose them gay terrorist commies…
CHRIS SAYS: If Jesus descended in this country today, conservative hacks would call him exactly that. For those who don’t believe me, read the New Testament.
Chris Broe
November 17th, 2009
11:17 am
history of mankind
Audrey in Georgia
November 17th, 2009
11:17 am
Why didn’t the Bush Administration take the 9/11 terrorists out with the same expediency as
Saddam Hussein? If weapons of mass destruction have not been found in Iraq, shouldn’t the
Iraq war be over? Ditto to jconservative.
Georgia3
November 17th, 2009
11:18 am
You got that right Ray…I concur with what Ghandi said about liking our Christ, but not our Christians – since they don’t seem to follow what Christ was about.
And as far as gays?….You know what Christ said about homosexuality? Nothing…but it says it’s wrong in the bible – right there in Leviticus whhere it also says it’s an abomination to eat shrimp!
Chris Broe
November 17th, 2009
11:20 am
If Jesus came today, we’d crucify him
Ray Pugh
November 17th, 2009
11:22 am
Well of course Chris:
A) he had long hair and (probably) wasn’t married, so of course he was gay;
B) he had a beard, a tan and spoke gibberish, so probably a terrorist to; and WORST of all he;
C) CRITICIZED CAPITALISM! SOCIALIST SCUM!!!
Ray Pugh
November 17th, 2009
11:29 am
Georgia3: just for clarification purposes, the Apostle Paul in the Book of Romans re-states that homosexuality is an abomination. You see, many Christians are so stupid/hypocritical to think that they don’t have to obey ALL the Bible, just the passages that suit their agenda, all in spite of the fact that JC explicitly stated he “came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it”…
William
November 17th, 2009
11:30 am
Liberals know nothing about war! However, they all have law degrees or pretend to. And they are sooo intelligent! Just ask them.
If I were a terrorists coming to America, I would defend myself. As a terrorist,(using common sense)I would do anything to promote my jihad(sort of like liberals). I would demand CIA, FBI, and Military Intellgence gathering files for my defense. I would expose how the US did things to the world and it does not matter if I get off scott free or not. A CIA or FBI agent could not fart without my jihadists friends knowing who and where. Yes, my extremism could only be compared to the left. I would awaken the hidden/inactive jihadists cells in America. 911 would look like a backyard barbeque. And I would thank ERIC HOLDER for his consistency in leading toward socialism which opened the door for the JIHADISTS.
Ray Pugh
November 17th, 2009
11:31 am
God I love Shanghai-ing Wooten’s blog…
just thinking...
November 17th, 2009
11:33 am
So… Which country will let us hold the terrorist trials?
Del
November 17th, 2009
11:37 am
Ray Pugh,
Ignorance is bliss
Lost American...
November 17th, 2009
11:37 am
William…Please tell us about war? have you ever been? When and where? I have been…( Desert Storm 1991, Panama 1990). As an American Vet, I know the horrors of war and make no apologies for defending my country, But as a human, There is no way that you could have stared war in the eyes and be OK with fight out of choice…
Ray Pugh
November 17th, 2009
11:45 am
William, that sounds logical, until you think about it longer than 3 seconds, that is. Try my new book, “Coherence for Ranters”; it may not only improve your blog postings, but your life as well!
Ray Pugh
November 17th, 2009
11:48 am
Del,
Care to elaborate on that? Instead of hurling out vague invectives, try rubbing those two little dusty cells in between your ears together and come up w/ a well-reasoned commentary. Oh wait–that sounds a little too much like science, which we all know the Right is allegeric to…
just thinking...
November 17th, 2009
12:04 pm
So… Which country will let us hold the terrorist trials?
William
November 17th, 2009
12:31 pm
Lost American…
November 17th, 2009
11:37 am
I am a vet too. My cousin and I loved the smell of battle. Some do some do not. However my cousin was a great warrior and he love it. I am glad you are human.
Ray Pugh
November 17th, 2009
11:45 am
So what is ranting? You mean what I said could not happen? I could not defend myself under the constitution. I am sure one of the terrorist will attempt to defend themselves using that very threat to acquire intelligence gathering files. If there is a liberal judge, an activist liberal judge, he will get his choice. So you are so sure that these terrorist I mean criminals will not exploit this opportunity as they did on 911? Look who is logical for three seconds now.
The American People
November 17th, 2009
12:38 pm
The end is near alright, the truth about Obama’s birthplace will be coming out next year, there is a court case in January to get things rolling. I just have one question, Mr. President why don’t you just release this thing and end this madness? Unless you do have something to hide.
Just A Grunt
November 17th, 2009
12:50 pm
The problem with using the law enforcement model to battle Muslim extremists is that first a crime must be committed. Now if that crime happens to involve a fanatic self exploding at your local mall oh well, so be it.
Jake
November 17th, 2009
1:04 pm
Cutty, Chris S, and the rest – Can you explain to me how more troops into Afghanistan and more body bags out is the change you hoped for when you voted for O?
JF McNamara
November 17th, 2009
1:12 pm
Did this meet the Wooten Checklist?
1. Did I call liberals dumb or weak? Check!
2. Did I criticize Obama? Check!
3. Did I write something that might grab attention from birthers and other extreme Republicans? Check!
How about adding these?
4. Did I try to logically understand and explain both sides of the argument?
5. Did I add anything other than what has already been said by other right wing cheerleaders?
We can spend billions of dollars fighting our own fear of a terrorist attack that might happen into perpetuity and we will still get attacked if someone puts forward the effort. Fear drove us into a war with Iraq that we couldn’t afford and for which we gained nothing but more headache.
We may as well try another direction since the path we were on for the since 2001 hasn’t worked. You have to agree with that since you are completely paralyzed by fear despite having it your way for 8 years.
Bronco
November 17th, 2009
1:14 pm
Being they the trial are being held on US ground Maybe just maybe they will be sentenced to picking up trash around the white house.
William
November 17th, 2009
1:24 pm
Just A Grunt
Excellent point!
William
November 17th, 2009
1:25 pm
JF McNamara
November 17th, 2009
1:12 pm
Kinda reminds of you the Bush bashing years dont it…
Del
November 17th, 2009
1:32 pm
JF McNamara,
You must be living in your own little bubble of ideological denial. After 9-11 and for the balance of GWB’s first term and full second term America wasn’t successfully attacked even though there were several failed attempts. Obama, doesn’t have a track record and some could say things don’t look good for our continued safety. I’m among the concerned, however, I’ll reserve judgment and hope there is still sufficient residual from the Bush era programs that kept this country safe to continue protection from those who want to destroy us and our way of life. BTW…that’s not fear it’s reality. Please try to be somewhat accurate in commenting on what is now written in history otherwise you just make yourself sound foolish.
Lost American...
November 17th, 2009
2:31 pm
Del
November 17th, 2009
1:32 pm
Can we please get away from the notion that Bush protected this country from attack. If the Obama supporters are not allowed to continually blame Bush for the mess that is right now, then the Bushies can not blame Clinton for 911. The fact is on September 11,2001, GWB was in the Whitehouse and that is on him. The fact that Nothing happend after that point lends itself to the fact that it was such a catostropic blow! The extremist put all of their eggs in the 911 basket and I don’t think there was a plan for a follow up attack. And yes we have prevented additional attacks, But that 911 bell can not be un-rung…. it happend under his watch and regardless of how he tries o spin it, it was on him.
GaNative
November 17th, 2009
2:32 pm
I see the Golden Boy Republican Pat Swindall has made the news again. This guy is as crooked as they come.
Jimbo
November 17th, 2009
2:39 pm
oBOZO is an idiot – get on with it folks, take action.
Oh, what about drug testing for welfare? A couple dollars will save thousands per year for each rejected. Thousands X Thousands.
Oh, sorry – that sounds racist.
SavannahDawg
November 17th, 2009
2:45 pm
Why didn’t Bush & Cheney have the military tribunals when they were in office?
Bob
November 17th, 2009
2:48 pm
If JT and Chris got together, the room would be totally empty.
Del
November 17th, 2009
2:51 pm
Lost American,
My point is and has been that GWB is no longer in office. The Oval office now belongs to Obama. Agree or disagree Obama is now accountable for the security of this country. He can’t hide from it by continually campaigning against the previous administration nor can his supporters assist him by continuing to rant against Bush and all things Republican. Just won’t flush and the American people are seeing through it. Don’t believe me just look at the polls and you see an approval rating down from over 70% to around 50% with a significant drop with independent approval all in 10 months. Now I don’t think you can lay 9-11 at George Bush’s feet anymore than you can Bill Clinton. A lot of mistakes occurred over many years that failed to see that tragic event in the making. You can’t change the fact that this country remained safe throughout the balance of Bush’s presidency even though there were several failed attempts to attack us again. Sorry but you just can’t rewrite history to conform to your ideology.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 17th, 2009
3:01 pm
Well, when I read Wooten’s title I jumped for joy. I thought he was finally going to write about the Rapture.
Turns out it was about these Terrists being tried in New York. And then we get good Conservative Republicans that use a stumper. They say My President ain’t the President no more so he can’t be blamed for anything. Sounds right to me.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
misplaced
November 17th, 2009
3:02 pm
Sorry Del
but do you recall the Presidential Daily Briefing from August 6, 2001 Titled
Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.
It was blown off by W and then what happened?
Lost American...
November 17th, 2009
3:04 pm
Del
November 17th, 2009
2:51 pm
Thats the thing Del…I am not trying to re-write history to conform to any ideology, Because I am not beholden to either party. I refuse to follow either major party. Just as there are some on the right that would conceed another attack on this contry if It would embarass and defeat Obama and the Dems, there are some on the left that wish to blame Bush for everything short of the Patty Hurst kidnapping! My point is whe did the Bush Administration have to wait until Sept. 12th to start protecting this country? His term started on Jan. 20, 2001. By your definition, Obama has protected this country during his first 10 months in office and needs to be given credit, Right? After all, there has not been an attack while he has been in office..See it sounds silly when applied to Obama, as it should when applied to Bush.
Brad Steel
November 17th, 2009
3:07 pm
Uh yeah? The war in Iraq should be over because the left is for terrorism and wants healthcare.
A truly brilliant deduction, Mr. Wooten. And yet another great example of proving that Iraq and Afghanistan were the cause of 9/11.
This may be the most retarded op-ed piece ever written.
Piso Mojado
November 17th, 2009
3:08 pm
Fear and rage, rage and fear. Why don’t you conservatives stop with this constant fear, rage, and finger-pointing thing and find someone respectable to lead your party?
These AJC conservative editorial blogs are so shallow. Somebody wake me up when one of these yahoos actually has an idea to help the Republican party.
Del
November 17th, 2009
3:30 pm
Lost American,
Problem with your comparison is that you’re really not making one. The country remained safe throughout the remainder of Bush’s two terms. Obama has only been in the saddle 10 months. Hopefully, we’ll remain secure from attack but this administration has a ways to go before we can offer up congratulations.
Misplaced…the Arabs offered to turn over OBL when he was in custody. Clinton declined their offer.
Chris Broe
November 17th, 2009
3:31 pm
“Taking a bullet” implies foreknowledge. Someone sees a gun pointed at somebody and intercepts the bullet.
It’s just a poor metaphor. New York, the Pentagon, and the airline passengers were taking the bullet meant for them alone. The rest of us were content to invade an innocent country, who took the bullet for Osama Bin Laden, I guess, if you extrapolate Wooten’s logic.
Logic. I’m giving a course starting below. I will give this class over and over until someone writes something logical.
Logic 101. A course in thinking. Use a no. 2 pencil please.
If T, then A. If P, then A. If T+A meet P, then….
1). sexting should be illegal
2). I’ve discovered the formula for girls gone wild
3). only a tool would try to teach conservatives logic
4). Monica took a bullet for Hillary
william
November 17th, 2009
3:40 pm
Piso Mojado
November 17th, 2009
3:08 pm
Kinda reminds you of the liberals dont it…
william
November 17th, 2009
3:45 pm
“The rest of us were content to invade an innocent country,”
Speak for yourself, and what innocent country? Have you liberals been busy rewriting history again…we have told you not to do that so many times. Now stop it. Innocent country! Ok, send your wife overthere!
BWLadd
November 17th, 2009
3:47 pm
It will be especially interesting if two worst-case scenarios develop:
1) no jury can be seated because of prejudice, bias or pre-trial publicity … or
2) the whole plan included sleeper cells intent on getting one or two persons’ onto the jury… Can you imagine the empowerment and disasterous results if a mistrial, or even an acquittal, is the end result? “Law enforcment matter” my ass….. Ugh.
Lost American...
November 17th, 2009
3:55 pm
william
November 17th, 2009
3:45 pm
Iraq had nothing to do with 911… What part of that are you having a hard time understanding? That being said, What is the reason for invading them again?
Ragnar Danneskjöld
November 17th, 2009
4:16 pm
A leftist is one who believes it is ok to steal from his neighbor and/or future generations in a futile effort to prove the death rate is not 100%. A patriot believes theft is morally wrong, even when done pursuant to a vote of 51%-49%..
A leftist is one who believes that un-uniformed foreigners who sponsor attacks against US civilians should receive a presumption of innocence and taxpayer-funded legal defense in a circus-trial in America. A patriot believes in field trial and hanging of un-uniformed combatants.
A leftist is one who believes that those Americans who responded to, and effectively destroyed Al Qaeda, should be prosecuted for winning the war. A patriot things those Americans should receive medals for their valor under stress.
A leftist thinks it is smart to bring sponsors of terror to the site of their greatest destruction, and to give them a world-stage to exploit their success. A patriot dispatchs the murderers covertly.
A leftist thinks it is smart to telegraph to the world his dithering indecision on the morality of destruction of forces of evil. A patriot hardly has to consider the matter to choose the right course.
Lost American...
November 17th, 2009
4:26 pm
Ragnar Danneskjöld
November 17th, 2009
4:16 pm
And this American thinks that all of your mumbo jumbo makes you full of S****!!! As an American, I believe in the Constitution above all else. I believe in the rule of law. I believe in maintaining the moral High ground that is the principal difference between us and them.
Ragnar, you can go one with your John Wayne hang’em high mentality if you choose. In my America, we are better than that!
neo-Carlinist
November 17th, 2009
4:36 pm
JW, I think we need to all agree on a definition of “terrorist”. are you saying that Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Nidal Hassan are the same? If so, what does this say about the effectiveness of Bush’s War on Terror and Patriot Act? Bush asked us to trade freedom for security and we’ve got neither. Hassan is not a “terrorist”, he’s a criminal. Let him have his day in (military) criminal court and let the military mete out justice. as always, this isn’t a “left v right” thing.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
November 17th, 2009
4:47 pm
Dear Lost @ 4:26, you chose your blog-handle well. We would respectfully wish to lead you out of your mental morass.
Lost American...
November 17th, 2009
4:53 pm
Ragnar Danneskjöld
November 17th, 2009
4:47 pm
Are you suggesting that I forgo the ability to think for myself and become indoctrinated as you have?
Ray Pugh
November 17th, 2009
5:00 pm
Ragnar,
Is it lonely down in your parents’ basement? Or do your “friends” on WoW and the aynrand.com message boards keep you company?
Ray Pugh
November 17th, 2009
5:04 pm
Neo,
Bush didn’t “ask” that we trade freedom for security–he mandated it…
misplaced
November 17th, 2009
5:11 pm
Del wrong
The Sept. 11 commission concluded in one of its staff reports that it had “not found any reliable evidence to support the Sudanese claim.” to turn over OBL
You need to read more then the Drudge Report and not listen to the fat Doper Rush.
Jake
November 17th, 2009
5:17 pm
Lost – Several people making decisions about invading Iraq did not know Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. But the stated reasons are “to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction (WMD), to end Saddam Hussein’s support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people.” Turns out the WMD had all been moved to Syria but the other two goals are accomplished. The unstated goal was to maintain stability in Iraq and the Gulf to keep the oil flowing. You do like oil don’t you?
Del
November 17th, 2009
5:31 pm
Misplaced,
Frankly I don’t read Drudge or listen to Rush. Don’t really have anything against them just typically haven’t the time. Don’t get on here all that much either. It became pretty much general knowledge that the Sudan offer was made and probably leaked out from the intell community. The Clinton administration never formally confirmed nor denied.
Lost American...
November 17th, 2009
5:35 pm
Jake
November 17th, 2009
5:17 pm
Jake please put down the kool-aid!!! There were no WMD’s found. Saddam ran a government that was at odds with most Muslim extremeist because he live a western style life, He was not a supporter of Terrorism. The lies have been told so often that Some folks see them as true. And oil???? Please do some research… if we were truly going to invade acountry to take their oil, we should have choosen, Venenzuala or Saudi Arabia. Open your eyes.. The Bush Administration jumped the gun on this and all of these stories have been floated in order to fill the void created by the initial set of lies and errors.
Jake
November 17th, 2009
5:57 pm
Lost – They didn’t know there weren’t any WMD until after they invaded. And it was about securing middle east oil, not taking any. Bush and the Saudis were still nervous about Gulf 1 and the threat that represented to the oil. Why has Obama sent additional troops into Afghanistan? What’s hilarious is all the anti-Bush, anti-war Obama supporters that have now backtracked and are forced to try and justify the Afghanistan mess. Think there’s any chance of getting the mastermind of 9/11 in Afghanistan now? I think he’s been in Pakistan since about 9/12. If so, why are we there? Aren’t the Afghanis innocent and weren’t they a sovereign state until we invaded? If it’s just bad when Bush did it and okay when O does it, you’re the one drinking the party line koolaid.
Lost American...
November 17th, 2009
6:08 pm
Jake
November 17th, 2009
5:57 pm
The initial reasons for invading Afgahanistand were legit… They were the home country for those that struck us. Had we focused on there from the start, we would have most likely destroyed those that attacked us and not gotten bogged down in this mess called Iraq. Now we are simply playing out the string and trying to save face. As i have stated before, I have no ties to the Obama administration, and no interest in proping them up. But right now our best course of action is to secure the country enough to get our troups out safely.
Dave
November 17th, 2009
6:23 pm
Let give a shout out to -Cutty – “our boy Bush” right, congress didn’t have anything to say about it right? Ooops, they did aurthorize it didn’t they. Love how you progressive haters, shape reality to fit your dogma. Seems to me Obama said they would be tried in a military court, right? Oh, that was when he was running. He said a lot of things when he was running that were LIES. At least he’ll have a record when he runs again.
Dave
November 17th, 2009
6:30 pm
Lost American… – why don’t you write all the democrats in congress and ask them. They voted on it, or have you forgetten. No, just rewriting history to conform to your hatred of George Bush. Get over it, Obama owns these wars now, and he can’t even make a decision. Every day soldiers are dying and he’s fighting FOX news. Now there is a real leader for you – he’s yours. Hope you’re proud.
Dave
November 17th, 2009
6:34 pm
Lost American… – so like when did the scum that are resonsible for 911 enter the country? When did they plan what they were going to do. Can’t blame Clinton? Man you need to get your medication checked. I’d have thought after the election you’d have changed your name to Proud American since you now have a President who like you is willing to blame America first. I’d think you’d be overjoyed.
Dave
November 17th, 2009
6:38 pm
Lost American… so where in the constitution does it provide for a these scum to be tried in criminal court? Seems like the Supreme Court has already held they should be tried by the military. Unless I missed something aren’t they the ones that supposed to figure out what is and isn’t constitutional?
Sadly, this is not about the Sheik
November 17th, 2009
6:41 pm
Eric Holder’s intent is not to try Sheik Mohammed, it is to try the Bush administration and the CIA. You may find this to be a delicious prospect if you are on the left. It will, however, be a disaster for the entire country. It will be violently divisive, will accomplish nothing except extreme partisan aims, and most likely sets a legal precedent that we will all live to regret. This is a small-minded and ill-considered action by this administration.
Be careful what you wish for.
jconservative
November 17th, 2009
7:26 pm
“”They aren’t citizens, they’re prisoners of war, captured in a battlefield following an attack.”
KSM was not captured on a battlefield, he was rustled out of a house in Rawalpindi, Pakistan by Pakistanim security forces with US assistance.
He is not a member of the armed forces of any nation on the planet.
Therefore, he cannot be a “prisoner of war”. He is a civilian terrorist, should be tried in a civilian court & put to death as a result of a civilian court verdict.
I would love to be on the jury.
jconservative
November 17th, 2009
7:37 pm
“They didn’t know there weren’t any WMD until after they invaded.”
Wrong. The British, Germans, French & Italians knew before the invasion. The US knew also, the Bush people just do not have the guts
to admit they made a mistake.
And, WMD is NOT why Bush invaded Iraq. If you will read the public statements of Cheney, Rice, Powell & Rumsfeld they have all said Bush never asked them their opinion of invading Iraq. He ordered the invasion – by a phone call to Condi Rice. Reason given by Bush: the US has suffered a lost of prestige in the 9/11 attacks & needed to do something “spectacular” to reassert US prestige in the world.
Eric
November 17th, 2009
9:03 pm
It would be great if someone at the top would finally explain to the American people what we’re actually getting for our troubles in this “war.” What is our mission after seven years? What have we achieved? Is this really a war anyway or colonization? After all, the U.S. defeated Axis powers in about four years–stopping forces sure greater than the threat of Iraq, etc. Or am I misinformed?
sharecropper
November 18th, 2009
7:39 am
Yeah, you tell ‘em, Jim. What a blithering fool you continue to be, spewing vitriol and bigotry on every problem while others try to resolve it. You actually think we have a “war on terror”? That was an invention of Mr. Bluster and Crazy Dick so as to run as a, giggle, giggle, “war president”. And you are one of the fools who fell for it.
Splavistic
November 18th, 2009
7:45 am
Ft. Hood was terrorism? That was a lone maniac, Jim, not some muslim conspiracy. And, yes, it is time for the WOT to evolve. If we don’t guarantee a trial to our enemies, then we are no better than them. Also, were you scared about white, christian terrorism after Tim McVeigh did his act? Stop being such a racist.
ed
November 18th, 2009
8:06 am
Surprise…Surprise…Jim Wooten writes an article about how the democrats are ruining the country.
Lost American...
November 18th, 2009
8:19 am
Dave
November 17th, 2009
6:34 pm
Dave, grow up….. Unlike you, I am not married to any politician, or party. My objective is to see my country continue to be the best place in the world to live. I don’t love Obama anymore than I hate Bush. But to answer your points: 1st i think so Dems are as much to blame for this mess as some Repubs. 2nd, it does not matter when the terrorist entered Afghanistan, only that they were there when they attacked us. That is were they were based ant that is the country that was giving them safe harbor. Had teh previous administratiion focused on them, They would have been eliminated and those responsible brought to justice. 3rd, As jconservative said at 7:26 KSM was not and is not a member of an opposing military. He was not captured on the battle field and his acts were commited in a city in this country against non military targets and people. 911 was a larger scale version of Oklahoma City, and he should be treated just like Tim McVey.
Chris Broe
November 18th, 2009
9:26 am
Logic 101. Yesterday’s Test Scores released today.
C+
Today’s test. Use a #2 pencil please. Fill in the blank space (between your ears) completely
After having a night to sleep after reading “Going Rogue”, most Americans now believe…..
1). The moon landings were faked.
2). The Aztecs founded the Freemasons
3). Windows 7 is a cookbook. (run for your lives)
4). The Dyson vacuum cleaner uses centrifugal force equal to 100 thousand times the force of gravity.
Ragnar Danneskjöld
November 18th, 2009
9:26 am
Dear Lost, when you say “ I don’t love Obama anymore than I hate Bush,” the natural presumption is that the appropriate modifier for each is “madly” or “passionately.” To your main “point,” (in your 8:19 rambling) I think you inadvertently undermine your own argument. “it does not matter when the terrorist entered Afghanistan, only that they were there when they attacked us. That is were they were based ant that is the country that was giving them safe harbor.” Doe the logic not thereafter follow that noncitizens committing acts against the US from remote locations are indeed engaged in acts of war rather than crimes? Do you grant US citizenship rights to all evildoers in the world? Do you grant rights under the Geneva convention to those who flout the predicate requirements? The leftist legalism protecting the terrorists is not only muddled, but is not even well-founded. Take a deep breath, and use the cognitive powers you have surely developed in your lifetime, to consider an intelligent resolution rather than one that follows the leftist lemmings.
Lost American...
November 18th, 2009
9:57 am
Ragnar Danneskjöld
November 18th, 2009
9:26 am
Lets try this without all of the name calling and talking points…When Mcveigh bombed the Ok. City federal Building, it was an act of terroism commited in this country against a civilian target. He has tried, convicted, and put to death for his crime. The Gwinnett county jail is stocked full of illegal immigrants that have commited crimes against the people of this country. In each case, they will be tried for those crimes, and punished accordingly. It seems as if you are the one that is rambling on, pushing your own warped political agenda. I don’t know how often I have tosay this, but please stop towing the party line and start thinking for yourself. I am not, nor have I ever been a hack for either party. You on the other hand can’t see the forrest for the trees unless they have red or blue, right or left labels stamped all over them.
Jack
November 18th, 2009
10:46 am
I’m always surprised at the number of rocks Jim turns over when the truth is printed here. However, I’m not surprised at what crawls out from under those rocks.
Chris Broe
November 18th, 2009
5:51 pm
“The hard Left in this country was, like the rest of us rallied, however briefly, around a strong President taking action in response to 9/11 to protect our shores and to keep Americans safe abroad. That support was not long-lasting. ”
Mr. Wooten, what did this strong President do after 911? I’d like to know. Did he attack the 911 conspirators? Oh I hope so. The only thing new in the world is the history we dont know. (I only got a B in history in college).
I think it’s great that Wooten’s writing about history after 911. I apparently missed it all, and dont know it. Now I’ve learned what this strong president did after 911 that “protected our shores and kept Americans safe abroad”. What a great story of our history that I did not know.
I love learning history that I didn’t know. History is great because it changes you once you know where we came from, and what happened that you can rely on as being the truth.
I feel safer and am voting GOP in 2012.
Sir Christian Larry
November 18th, 2009
10:33 pm
The end is near for you Jim, beware the first vision of a adult diaper ye olde man….
Evil-Doer
November 18th, 2009
10:41 pm
The WMD’s are not under GW’s desk, I hid them in Dick’s lesbian daughters brazier -fear the lesbian boob sayeth the white christian mans bible….fear the dot…
steven
November 30th, 2009
1:43 pm
Lost American- 5:35;
“He(Saddam) was not a supporter of terrorism.”
“The lies have been told so often…”
…and “Lost” swallows them whole & recycles them faithfully…
Saddam openly payed Palestinian suicide bombers to blow themselves & innocents up, at $20,000 a pop. Prior to the US invasion, suicide terrorists were easy to recruit and bombings were routine occurances. After Iraq was invaded the 2nd time, the plague of suicide bombings in Israel dropped off dramatically…
“Saddam was not a supporter of terrorism” = another liberal/progressive/democrat lie…and the decieved will go on being decieved.
The end is near | ATL Report - Atlanta News and Gossip
December 14th, 2009
10:28 pm
[...] just attack, it’s anxiety and I think you feel the anxiety and … Read more Here The end is near By [...]
The end is near | ATL Report - Atlanta News and Gossip
December 15th, 2009
10:28 am
[...] just attack, it’s anxiety and I think you feel the anxiety and … Read more Here The end is near By jwooten Yaab Tagged as: Action, civilian courts, David Paterson, decision, end, Mohammed, [...]