Don’t give ObamaCare supporters ammunition

It’s hard to argue against civility in public debate and it’s harder to argue that those who protest against proposed health-care legislation that lays the groundwork for a single-payer system should carry arms.

The plain fact is that nobody has any reason to carry arms to town hall meetings or to any other gathering organized to discuss public policy issues. Conservatives who do, as some did in Arizona to affirm their right to bear arms, merely give ammunition to those on the left who would like to portray all vocal opponents of the cram-down health care legislation as assorted kooks and other extremists who threaten public officials, and the President in particular.

Those who invite attention to themselves while exercising their right to carry weapons are probably among those who are least likely to pose a threat to any creature without antlers or feathers. I’ll grant the left this, though: Nobody has any business toting firearms in public settings where emotions are likely to be heated — and that includes concerts, night-clubs, sporting events and public policy debates.

The proposed health-care legislation, and the manner in which it’s being railroaded through Congress, does invite opponents to fear that a tyrannical majority that can do as it pleases can pass legislation that severely restricts the right to bear arms. People who are comfortable that their voices are heard don’t parade about public places with semi-automatic weapons.

Actually it does appear that America’s voice is being heard. The so-called “public option” which would be the vehicle for single-payer national health-care financing does not have the support necessary to pass Congress. That greatly displeases former Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean and about 100 liberal Democrats in Congress, inviting them all to scream that nothing will pass without the public option.

Clearly, the voices of a majority of Americans who oppose features of ObamaCare that they fear will cost them their private medical insurance plans are being heard. Public option may not be dead, but the Administration is back-tracking.

My advice to those on the right who want to mix this debate with one that they think is down the road (gun control) is: Don’t do it. Any hint or visible evidence of what can be characterized as extremism does opponents of ObamaCare no favors.

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jconservative

August 18th, 2009
8:39 am

“…one that they think is down the road (gun control)…”

Jim you might want to do an a column on the Supreme Court’s Heller decision on Federal gun control. There will be no Federal gun control legislation passed. And, if it does, the Federal Courts will strike it down. Scalia left no holes in the Heller decision. The 2nd Am is now clear on Federal control of firearms for the first time in the nation’s history.

From the majority opinion by Justice Scalia;
” Held:
The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
In sum, we hold that the District’s ban on handgun possession in the home violates the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense. ”

This also means “they” cannot take away your ammunition ( as thousands fear).

The Heller decision does not apply to states. States can still restrict
the right to bear arms.

clyde

August 18th, 2009
8:42 am

These citizens have a right to carry and they exercised that right.That’s a good thing,but like Jim I believe it’s not a prudent thing to do because the liberal left is going to get all upset at the sight of a real gun at a meeting.I wouldn’t have brought my gun to a meeting because I am prudent and that’s probably why we’re at the point of life that we’re at.Perhaps Jim and I are too prudent and it’s past time to be nice.

Matilda

August 18th, 2009
8:51 am

The fear being circulated in “conservative” circles that the gub’mint will come pounding on your doors demanding the surrender of your personal firearms is a tactic initiated and perpetuated by gun manufacturers and distributors who want NO LAWS OR LIMITS whatsoever to impede their free trade of dangerous automatic weapons. The mass emails continually forwarded (SB 2099!) and the talk-radio frenzy have convinced the Republican-leaning citizenry that the Democrats are hell-bent on confiscating their guns. TOO FUNNY!

I encourage you all to start polling your Democratic-leaning friends, relatives, and neighbors about their own personal gun ownership. You’ll be stunned to learn how many of us own firearms for hunting or home defense. You’ll be stunned to learn that Democrats have indeed served in the military and in wars, or come from rural backgrounds, and indeed know how to use their weapons. Please take a head count of how many have actually asked their legislators to enact laws to remove your legally-obtained weapons from your homes. *crickets chirping*

Mr. Wooten is correct today! The rightie kooks and extremists are in for a big surprise if they start pulling out their metal on their Democratic neighbors. Trust.

past perfect

August 18th, 2009
8:58 am

So Clyde thinks bringing guns to community meetings is a message to the opposition. Sounds to me like that’s the real reason “we’re at the point of life that we’re at” – rather than you have been too prudent.

Road Scholar

August 18th, 2009
9:19 am

From the letters to the editor in today’s edition:

“My organization has three major concerns with the proposals advanced by the Obama administration: 1) A government-run plan would limit patient-doctor choice; 2) there would be an employer mandate that would kill jobs and lower wages; and 3) the current House legislation attacks baby boomers and seniors — in fact, every American — by paying for its $1 trillion to $1.6 trillion health care with new taxes and by cutting $500 billion out of Medicare over the next 10 years.

Particularly outrageous is a section of the House bill mandating that a senior citizen must go to counseling every five years with a government bureaucrat in order to basically learn how to prepare to die.

Already, Oregon is denying some cancer patients care that could extend their lives and instead is offering them physician-assisted suicide, according to a former New York lieutenant governor, Betsy McCaughey. McCaughey lays out this assault on seniors by noting that it began with the stimulus bill passed in February. She writes:

“Slipped into the bill was substantial funding for comparative effectiveness research, which is generally code for limiting care based on a patient’s age. Economists are familiar with the formula, where the cost of treatment is divided by the number of years (called QUALYs, or quality-adjusted life years) that the patient is likely to benefit.”

When comparative effectiveness research appeared in that legislation, Rep. Charles Boustany (R-La.), a heart surgeon, joined other medical experts in warning that it would lead to “denying seniors and the disabled life-saving care.” ”

First, patient-doctor choices are already restricted by many of the present health insurance policies. Also, their compensation is already limited to negotiated rates.

Second about the employer mandates, their already is pricing increases for smoking and one for obesity is being considered by insurance/business companies. Also, if you haven’t been paying attention, is the desire of businesses and esp state government to reduce and/or stop providing health insurance as a benefit.

About mandating senior citizens go to end of life conseling every five years, it makes it available, not mandatory. For those who need end of life conseling it provides the oppertunity to review past decisions based on new technology in health care treatments, consultations with your minister,etc. Why not?

I hate to say this, but there may come a time that further treatment for a health issue is no longer reccomended due to effectiveness, ability to recover, or even costs. The doctor quoted may have more at stake, since his wages and profits may be limited to a more reasonable rate available to the public. That is occuring now with the rates insurance companies ahave agreed to reinburse doctors.

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

August 18th, 2009
9:22 am

THIS IS THE POINT,GET YOU SOME GUNS FOR THESE NUT CASE REPUBLICANS,THAT WAY EVERYTHING WILL BE EVEN STEVEN,REMEMBER ITS THE DEMOCRAPS THAT GO SERVE WARS,WHILE THE COWARD REPUBLICAN STAYS HOME IN HIS TRAILOR LOCKED AWAY WITH HIS SHOTGUN,WAITING ON BIN LADEN TO COME AND GET HIM.

Paradigm

August 18th, 2009
9:42 am

Jim is right – now the left will capitalize on this foolishness in an attempt to portray all conservatives and opponents of Obamacare as right-wing kooks.

I own guns, yet I have no desire to show them off like that. I am certainly no opponent of gun control. What people need to understand is that confiscating guns in the US is a fool’s errand anyway. The numbers of guns run into the billions and they could never dedicate more than MAYBE 100,000 cops nationally to the effort. They wouldn’t even put a dent in it. Add to that the fact that most cops are gun owners themselves and that gun confiscation is not their life’s dream, and you have a recipe for failure.

If there ever is any real attempt at gun control, they will be focusing heavily on the gangsta wannabes who carry unregistered guns….not the big game hunters who register legitimately.

-Paradigm

Mara

August 18th, 2009
9:55 am

A new poll is coming out today (done by the non-partisan Research 2000) and unsurprisingly…the right once again proudly displays their ignorance and gullibility.

“…a majority of Republicans either believes, or isn’t sure about, the claim that the Dem health care proposal will create “death panels” to determine whether the sick or injured get health care depending on their “productivity in society.”

“I’ve gotten an advance look at the relevant question from the poll, which will be released tomorrow, and here’s how it asks the question:

Do you think the health care reform plan being considered by President Obama and Congress creates “death panels” which have the authority to subjectively determine whether or not a gravely ill or injured person should receive health care based on their “level of productivity in society”?”

“Here are the numbers on how Republicans answered that question:

Yes: 26
No: 43
Not sure: 31

“So a startling majority of 57% of Republicans either believes or is uncertain about the veracity of the “death panel” claim, versus only 43% of GOPers who don’t beliveve it.” ———-

LOL!! Obama’s comin’ tuh kill yer Gran’ma! No, really…it’s TRUE! I saw it on Fox News…

(sigh) poor ignorant b*stards.

Matilda

August 18th, 2009
10:02 am

Hey Mara! I wish Obama would respond to this the way [I imagine] he really wants to (but is too mature.) He touched on it briefly during Saturday’s TH, but I imagine his real thoughts on the “death panel” nonsense go something like this:

“You *bleeping* *bleep*holes! I LOVED MY GRANDMA! You don’t think it hurt like heck to see her suffering? You don’t think MY heart broke to see the woman who raised me and nurtured me and helped me be all I can be suffering in that bed? You don’t think I would have done anything to make it better? Do you *bleep*HOLES think it was easy standing up in front of the world within hours of her passing trying to be strong, and putting off my grief? DO YOU *BLEEP*HOLES THINK YOU’RE THE ONLY ONES WITH *BLEEP BLEEP* FEELINGS FOR YOUR GRANDMA? YOU ARROGANT, SELF-SERVING *BLEEPS!* Your Grandma would be ASHAMED of your behavior — did she not teach you *bleeps* any better than that? *BLEEP YOU!*”

Huckabee the next POTUS

August 18th, 2009
10:17 am

I just don’t get it. This outrage over people bringing guns out in public in Arizona, whats the big deal, even the Secret Service said it didn’t affect them because not one person tried to enter restricted places. All these dumpocraps running around scared of a few little guns, that’s not scary. What’s scary is when obambam brings his pitbull named michele on these trips with him, now that is scary. Blindness would be better than that thing parading across the stage. Look, theres a picture of her on the news again, ohh my eyes, ooh the pain.

getalife

August 18th, 2009
10:37 am

Jim,

Your ilk are the American taliban terrorists and must be dealt with before they kill more Americans:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/2009/08/watch-man-carries-an-assault-rifle-outside-obama-event.php

Huckabee the next POTUS

August 18th, 2009
10:49 am

Uh-oh dumpocraps making threats, oh yeah I forgot it’s ok to be brainless if your a bedwetting liberal. At least we have heard from a loyal member of The New black Panther Party.

Howard

August 18th, 2009
10:51 am

Jim…if these protestors with guns had been members of ACORN (have you seen some of their thugs? I bet they are armed) or the G-8 nut groups or Code Pink…or here’s one even better…members of the New Black Panther Party (remember them? Eric Holder thought they were only harmless voter fraud monitors…) showing up at a debate hosted by liberals…not one protest would be heard!! The hypocrisy of all this is up-front and overt…when liberals and Democrats protest, trash cars, yell down people, interrupt meaningful debate…then all is all right and purely a part of the democratic process. When it’s conservatives doing it?? Scream unfair and go home pouting that these are mobs and rabble!!! These people on the left always jump the shark and over-reach and get their hats handed to them in subsequent elections.

JMC

August 18th, 2009
10:51 am

Up in NY, a former Giants reciever must be scratching his head. I know Plaxico Buress is wondering how you can take guns to meet with the president but not in a night club. There is a far larger chance of needing to defend yourself after leaving a club in the middle of the night in NY City, than you would expect from a televised public meeting with the leader of the free world in the middle of the day. Jim and lots of people on the right lose credibility behind their arguments when they don’t as pasionately defend everyone’s 2nd amendment right as they do for “people like them.” The same thing is true for the Prof Gates situation. On one hand there is the fear that one day in the future the government may be getting between you and your doctor and everybody gets extremely passionate about defending their right to privacy; but when a man’s home is actually invaded by the police, and he is forcefully taken away for disagreeing with the government, nobody on the right has any outrage, and instead argue that the man had it coming and use it as an opportunity to attack a political opponent being the President. Conversatives who protest pro-choice doctors and congressman, but remained silent on Troy Davis recieving a second look from the courts before his execution are another example of the fake outrage that regular people can’t believe in. How can you believe someone that only gets worked up when it suits their agenda, and doesn’t seem to believe in equal protection or rights for all? I don’t even think its racial anymore than partisian prejudice. So while your arguments sound good if you were in a debate class and were getting graded by defending a particular position, your words ring less than true when people aren’t convinced that your positions will be true for everyone regardless of what type of group you try to put them in.

booger

August 18th, 2009
10:58 am

All of the hype about guns and death panels just takes away from the critical issues. HOW WILL WE PAY FOR THIS? The idea that over half will be covered by savings is ridiculus. If that were the case why don’t we go ahead and do that first. This would lend credibility to the rest of the plan.

Huckabee the next POTUS

August 18th, 2009
10:59 am

Lets see: A new York Giants wide reciever with a firearm in a state that it is illegal to have one in a nightclub compared to a person having one in public in a state that it is Legal to have one. Yep, that’s pretty confusing. Well, if you are a public school educated obambam supporter that’s really a brainteaser.

lisa

August 18th, 2009
11:16 am

Nice try. So, what’s the matter? Your own side’s extremists are now hurting you? Too bad. Given that the Right refuses point blank to ever condemn these people, you deserve everything you get.

Hilary

August 18th, 2009
11:21 am

Right-wing extremists could overthrow our democracy and there’d be nothing stopping them. They’d have the support of the police and military, they’d have the support of all the people with weapons. Liberals typically don’t arm themselves. Maybe they should.

Jefferson

August 18th, 2009
11:22 am

Its amusing to watch the frustration, here’s what you get when the last party got things so bad that a new party comes to power. Just couldn’t handle prosperity.

chris broe

August 18th, 2009
11:39 am

Sounds like Wooten has seen the enemy, eh?

Bwa Haw

Aquagirl

August 18th, 2009
11:43 am

I love these lukewarm reprisals— “don’t do this because it makes us look bad.” A good number of these screaming opponents have lost their marbles, along with any sense of decency. Go back to faking birth certificates, people, at least no one will accidentally get shot.

clyde

August 18th, 2009
12:12 pm

JMC
Plaxo Buress ran afoul of a law against carrying guns that made what he was doing illegal.Law abiding citizens don’t carry where it’s illegal.This is so hard for a lot of people to comprehend.There are law abiding citizens who carry guns and there are thugs who carry guns.There’s a big difference.The former group know’s what’s legal.The latter group doesn’t care.

peanut

August 18th, 2009
12:19 pm

Regarding gun ownership and being a danger to furs and feathers, but not people- when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Someone carrying a gun is infinitely more likely to shoot a person than someone without a gun. This does not speak to one’s innate violent tendencies, since a gun is certainly not required to do violence, but that’s not the issue now, is it? It’s about guns and under what circumstances people get shot – that circumstance being “when a gun is present.” I have owned guns, and am not interested in having them banned. However, American culture worships the “awesome power” of the gun and individuals fetishize their pressshiouses. I agree w/ a previous poster that the fear mongering about Democrats revoking gun rights comes primarily from NRA/firearm industry who stand to gain from customers hoarding and amassing their products.

Patriotic Dissent

August 18th, 2009
1:02 pm

So John Edwards admits he’s the baby daddy now after flat out lying previously. At least when Republicans get caught, they usually admit it and step down. That was off topic, but this won’t be. The loony liberal freedom haters are calling for a boycott of Whole Foods due to what the CEO wrote recently regarding socialized health care. Well that seals it then, time to go out of the way and start shopping at Whole Foods now. For every one of them, there’s more than one of us – the poll numbers on who’s against Obamacare don’t lie.

Okay folks, here’s the situation. We have the loony liberal left and Democrats in Washington in a tizzy over Americans rejecting Obamacare. We have heard the loony left pull out all the childish bed wetting liberal arguments in an attempt to shut us up: we’re haters; we’re Nazis; we’re racists; we’re dangerous mobs; we’re militants; we’re even domestic terrorists. It is not hard to see the dripping irony of a group of people who are so concerned about how we treat radical Islamic terrorists – who want to kill us all equally – but yet they show anger and even hatred towards their fellow law abiding American citizens who just don’t agree with them. Even going so far as to cause bodily harm!

Over the last couple of weeks we have seen union members and others physically assault health care protesters; we have seen liberal fringe groups like ACORN harass, intimidate, and infiltrate both tea party and health care protest events; we have seen lies being spread about said protesters; we have seen the leftist media – like CNN – say that it is near child abuse for tea party protesters to have the audacity to bring their own children to those events (how DARE they express their American liberties like that!!!); we have seen the loony liberal left wishing for talk radio to get shut down because they allege it is spreading fear, hate, and even domestic terrorism (really, HOW?).

In addition to all that loony liberal nonsense, we are seeing them pushing for something called “Net Neutrality” of which idea is not new- it is essentially government control of the internet, and has the potential to shut down conservative blogs, websites, and other various factions of Conservative organizing and information (FACT) sharing. They don’t need a reason – they can make up any excuse they want to shut someone’s site down. The loony liberal left is of course not going to present it like that. In other words, these people on the modern loony left are the ones jeopardizing American’s personal safety, liberties, and freedoms – and that’s putting it placidly. As with so many other shady back door policies they like to meddle in, this will be presented as some sort of necessary government regulation.

So, it is rather ironic as well that the media is so proud of celebrating the 40th anniversary of Woodstock. The leftist media outlets over the weekend were gleaming on TV and cheerfully writing about how that was a major transformation of American culture – a culture that shifted from one of traditional conservatism to one of liberal/progressive/anti-establishment ideals. It was a time when people were open to freely express themselves and go against the norm and status quo without fear of being society outcasts. It was a time for “new ideas” and “bold measures,” even if they weren’t popular. It was a time for finding oneself through concenscious trans

Now here we are four decades later and these same “progressives” of that movement – and their offspring for that matter – are against freely organized counter-policy events like Tea Party rallies and anti-socialist health care functions. Even the media from ABC to MSNBC and the written liberal bird cage liners like the New York Times and AJC are making claims that these protesters are dangerous mobs and whatnot. It cannot be emphasized enough how these modern loon liberals of the left are the true freedom haters of America. Their tactics and mission to shut up Conservatives and others who are against their policies and objectives speak for themselves.

Fortunately, we Americans are not going to back down to them. Not now, not ever. Let the chips fall where they may and the liberal loon left suffer the consequences accordingly in 2010 and 2012. And you thought Obama was the great uniter, didn’t you? Suckers.

The Snark

August 18th, 2009
1:09 pm

So Jim, the problem with bringing guns to public meetings is not that someone might get shot, or that opposing voices will be intimidated … the problem is that “conservatives” might be criticized?

JF McNamara

August 18th, 2009
1:12 pm

I actually thought this was going to be a satirical piece involving Democrats, guns and what they might do with the ammo. Man was I dissapointed.

Either way, the whole town hall thing is stupid. It doesn’t give a representative sample of people because only the crazy people who vigorously oppose the plan show up. Those who vigorously support won’t show up because they are currently getting their way even though that’s starting to change. To base your opinion on the posturing of the radical elements of either party is dumb.

It’s a testament to the Republican machine that they can create this amount of doubt. Sadly, us currently in our 20s and 30s, will now be burdened with another 100% increase in costs in the next 8 years thanks to the Baby Boomers who are loathe to pay for anything they recieve. We’re already stuck paying for your social security, medicare, medicaid, and prescription drug plan and whatever else you can shovel on us while you’ve got the power while knowing that we probably won’t get anything.

We might actually need death panels to kill some of the Boomer to get from under the massive burden you are leaving us. Thanks a lot for not fixing our problems or helping in getting to reasonable solutions!

boots

August 18th, 2009
1:16 pm

When you tell an out and out lie — that “the death panel is going to pull the plug on grandma” — that kind of disinformation and distortion is just a dangerous to public safety, when believed by ignorant people, as some kook waving a gun.

They’re both unnecessary and not helpful to a civil discussion of this important issue.

retiredds

August 18th, 2009
1:35 pm

Peanut, loony left vs. regressive right = zero.

Critic

August 18th, 2009
1:35 pm

“tyrannical majority” – funny how we didn’t hear crap like this from Wooten when Bush and the Republican Congress were leading us down the road to distruction.

chris broe

August 18th, 2009
1:46 pm

we’re on the eve of destruction…..dunn, dun dun, da dunn, dun dun, the eastern world…is explodin’…violence flarin’…bullets loadin….you may leave here for 4 days in space, but when you return it’s the same old place…….

Wooten’s blog is instigatin’..he’s trying to cause people to git a’hatin’…he wants us to shoot each other in the back…and when he see it, he just has to laugh, like that dog in the “really rottens”, he goes, Heeheeheeheeheeheeheehee.

And we’re on the eve of destruction….(thanks to Mr Woo, of china).

spectator

August 18th, 2009
1:54 pm

Although there is no let-up in the vitriol, hatred, and misinformation spouted by the leftists on these blogs, it is becoming very clear that their numbers are shrinking drastically from the early days of Obamamania. Is this because many now recognize the “messiah” for the bumbling, lying phony he is? Or perhaps, he is not as radical as some had hoped for, and is not implementing the socialist agenda quickly enough for their tastes? And, perhaps some who were not as radically left as they thought have seen the reality of the negative impact of Obama’s poorly thought out agenda. Whatever the reason, it is a positive thing,,,,those of you who are left will just have to make up for the shrinking numbers by being even louder, and more hateful. I suspect you will become very bitter as you see Obama and the Democrats approval numbers continue to plummet until you once again reach your normal minority position in the minds of America.

Steve in Buford

August 18th, 2009
2:06 pm

He has the right to carry those guns around. You, who would usurp his Constitutional right to carry that gun is the one he needs protection from!

DebbieDoRight

August 18th, 2009
2:17 pm

Wooten, here you go again speaking with a “forked” serpent like tongue. Examples:

does invite opponents to fear that a tyrannical majority that can do as it pleases can pass legislation that severely restricts the right to bear arms

Clearly, the voices of a majority of Americans who oppose features of ObamaCare that they fear will cost them their private medical insurance plans are being heard.

If you WANT healthcare alternatives via the government option then you are “a tyrannical majority”; however if you DONT want it then you are “voices of a majority of Americans”

Question: Is it the senility or the dementia that’s finally get to you? Enquiring minds wanna know…….

tj

August 18th, 2009
2:20 pm

these men and women are exercising thier rights to bear arms… and now it is funny to see that both Dems and Reps are asking us to leave our guns at home… the plan is working, we the people must let BIG Government know who is in charge around here, not them, WE ARE.. That is why our founding fathers gave us the right, so that when Government got to big, too demanding, and too powerful, we the people could stack our arms against thier arms to drive them out of power… I am so glad to see our government shaking in fear!!

Locked & Loaded

August 18th, 2009
2:43 pm

Assault weapons at town hall meetings??? What a brilliant idea!!! I’d be willing to wager the leftists’ welfare checks that the mere sight of the weapons caused panic, confusion and a multitude of very soggy Depends! Liberals are whining bed wetters who see the world through distorted rose-colored glasses. Grow up for “crying” out loud!! Go hug some trees or sing ‘Koom By Ya’, you pathetic socialist pukes!

itstrue

August 18th, 2009
2:47 pm

There’s a big difference between ‘can’ and ’should.’ Unfortunately it’ll probably take someone getting hurt before people rethink this.

Peter

August 18th, 2009
2:48 pm

HA HA HA……..Carrying Guns is showing the government who’s in charge ? HA HA HA…….

HA HA HA……. HA HA HA……..

The government is shaking in Fear ! HA HA HA…… HA HA HA…….

Funny stuff……

Gosh the education IS Bad in Georgia………but WOW…….HA HA HA…… HA HA HA !

Jackie

August 18th, 2009
2:48 pm

News reports indicate that GM is ramping-up production because the stimulus and cash-for-clunkers is working so well.

What is wrong with President Obama thinking he can put a stimulus package in place that does not start working the next day?

sharecropper

August 18th, 2009
2:53 pm

Mr. Wooten: fair’s fair. You finally wrote something that made sense. It is only a matter of time before one of the raging, slobbering, sputtering wingnuts loses it and starts waving that gun around. After that anything can happen. It maybe legal to own a gun, but no law says you have to.

Sage

August 18th, 2009
3:01 pm

Paradigm – Your statement that the government would only go after thugs that carry “unregistered Firearms” proves that you do not own guns nor do you know of what you speak.

Unless you live in NY, New Jersey, or Illinois there is no such thing as a “registered firearm” in the United States.

Everyone hears actors in movies and police dramas refer to “registered firearms” and it is a crock. Most people’s only knowledge of gun laws are through the entertainment industry, and they assume that to own a gun you must register and license it with the government.

The Government does not need to know if I own 1 or 100 self defense tools.

DebbieDoRight

August 18th, 2009
3:07 pm

Self defense tools? I thought they owned rifles to hunt deer and little bitty rabbits!!!

PS: Why would anyone need to take a “self defense tool” to a healthcare town hall? Are you defending from information or the little light beams that have accessed the tin foil on your hats and are transmitting radio signals to your brain?

Roy Lofquist

August 18th, 2009
3:39 pm

Couple of points.

From a couple of eyewitness accounts the guy with the guns was in favor of HR3200.

The Democrats have redefined the meaning of these town halls. They are not debates. They are constituent feed back. They allow the Congressman to state positions and then solicit questions. The people ask questions and expect some kind of reasonable answer if not necessarily the one they want. When the Congressman responds with a talking point they’ve heard 50 times before he is refusing to address the question. If the talking point was a valid response then why was the question asked?

Once people feel they are being stone walled then the sham of “debate” is shattered. At that point the constituents are going to let him know that they disagree in the only way possible – strong expression of disapproval.

Martin Calloway

August 18th, 2009
4:13 pm

Actually Jim, the concern seems to be the Obama opponents with ammunition.

Crushing the pubt's

August 18th, 2009
4:14 pm

Actually it does appear that America’s voice is being heard. The so-called “public option” which would be the vehicle for single-payer national health-care financing does not have the support necessary to pass Congress.

Actually as usual Wooten doesn’t have a clue what he’s saying or talking about and Wooten doesn’t have a clue what Congress is or how laws get passed.

From Sebelius this morning walking back her coop support on Sunday:

“Here’s the bottom-line: absolutely nothing has changed. We continue to support the public option that will help lower costs, give American consumers more choice, and keep private insurers honest. If people have other ideas about how to accomplish these goals, we’ll look at those too, but the public option is a very good way to do this.”

Wooten gets his content from Faux news and Rush. He sits in his rocking chair or drives around in his truck listening to Rush and then pulls over and writes whatever he hears.

Wooten didn’t mention that over 60 in the House are in writing to Obama that they will not vote for any bill out of committee or later out of Conference that does not have a firm public option in it.

There ought to be a nurse for Wooten who can change the station for him so he listens to something real, or maybe someone can volunteer to help Wooten use the web so he can get accurate information kind of like the checkers organizing recreation lady at the old peoples’ home.

Wooten doesn’t give a damn if your insurance gets lost or increases to the point you can’t afford it. He’s covered for life. Wooten doesn’t have a clue that the reason the Blue Dogs and Republicans are holding up votes is that they are on the payroll of the insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and hospital lobbies.

Wooten doesn’t give a damn if youwife gets dropped by her insurance company when she gets breast cancer and dies. No skin off him.

Crushing the pubt's

August 18th, 2009
4:17 pm


A new Marist Poll gives President Obama a 56-33 lead over Palin among registered voters, with the president taking 20 percent of Republican voters and easily winning independents. Run your whacknuts. Palin-Bachman in 2012.

Crushing the pubt's

August 18th, 2009
4:19 pm

From Josh Marshall at TPM:

“But let’s be honest about what this is about. The right — the modern American right — has a very troubled history with political violence. The ideological pattern is clear going back at least thirty years and arguably far longer. A simple review of the 1990s, particularly 1993, 1994, culminating in many respects in the tragic 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma City Federal building in April 1995 tells the tale. Mix in the militias, the thankfully inept attempt on President Clinton’s life a few months before Oklahoma City (see Francisco Duran) and it’s all really not a pretty picture.”

No it’s an ugly picture of primitive imbecillic cowards murduring unarmed people.

Duuv

August 18th, 2009
4:35 pm

“These citizens have a right to carry and they exercised that right.”

No, Clyde, you are wrong. You have no right in the state of Georgia to carry a firearm at a political rally. O.C.G.A 16-11-127 states, “a person shall be guilty of a misdemeanor when he or she carries to or while at a public gathering any explosive compound, firearm, or knife designed for the purpose of offense and defense.”

A “public gathering” includes, but is not limited to “athletic or sporting events, churches or church functions, political rallies or functions, publicly owned or operated buildings, or establishments at which alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on the premises.”

Next time, learn the law before speaking.

clyde

August 18th, 2009
4:43 pm

Easy,Crushing,We’ll cede the blog solely to you around 2130 and you’ll have two glorious days to entertain yourself.

hryder

August 18th, 2009
4:45 pm

Many of the people, including most of Congress judging from their public pronouncements, do not consciously recognize the definition of insurance. If they did there is no way any thought that all people would be covered at the some individual cost and for pre-existing conditiions would be mentioned. Do not call it health insurance as this merely indicates ignorance, stupidity, or both. Consult an actuary if you think otherwise.

JDW

August 18th, 2009
4:52 pm

Instead of drivel about kooks with guns and death panels for Grandma lets have some substantive suggestions from the right. By 2019 at the current rate of growth the cost to insure a family of four will exceed $30,000 per year. Do you people really think that business will continue to absorb those costs for the middle class? How will a family making less than $200,000 be able to deal with that sort of expense?