Voters buy trouble on Election Day
Thinking Right’s weekend free-for-all. Pick a topic:
House Democrats propose to limit increases in the cost of some medical insurance policies to 1.5 times the annual rate of medical inflation, unless government says otherwise. Fair enough. Said government should agree, too, to limit its spending to 1.5 times the annual population increase or the annual rate of inflation of what it buys.
Best headline of the week: “Unclear how much time is left.” Second best: “Get answers now, as time may be short.” Both were over the same story. Guess its subject: a) a Southern Baptist, Holiness or Church of God revival; b) a late-night infomercial; c) cash for clunkers; d) global warming; e) the motorcyclist who sped to 170 mph in an attempt to elude police.
The legacy of former DeKalb CEO Vernon Jones lives on. Taxpayers there may be about to take a big hit to settle reverse-discrimination claims brought by four current and former employees of the county’s Parks and Recreation Department. A panel of judges on the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals finds “shocking” evidence of “an overt and unabashed pattern of racial discrimination” in his administration. It’s amazing how many voters buy their troubles on election day.
Would that the federal government be as diligent in tracking the $787 billion “stimulus” money as it is in reviewing how the Georgia DOT manages $28 million in grants to small and rural transit operators.
When they’re all arrested, it’ll be worthwhile to see how many of those accused in the killing of Atlanta boxer Vernon Forrest were born into intact families with a mother and father in the home. Same with the four accused of killing two women in East Point.
It’s noteworthy that the Rev. Al Sharpton plans a national conference here next week and nowhere among the topics is the crisis wrought by bringing children into the world without a mother and father in their home.
Praise be officials in Norcross, Snellville and Suwanee who decide to reject the red-light cameras that locals use to gin up revenue from motorists. Voters, meanwhile, should give the red light to those in Duluth and Lilburn who opt to bring them back. They’re not about safety; they’re about money.
This obsession with “bullies” is evidence of the diminished role of fathers in the family — and the push to dump a family problem on the schools. Two points: Bullies are at some time or other a factor in every boy’s life. Children learn to fight, flee or adapt to adversarial people and situations. It’s a part of growing up and adjusting to the real world. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a bully. Vladimir Putin is a bully. So was Saddam Hussein. Point two: Home is the place to socialize boys, both would-be bullies and those they target.
Nah, Washington’s not going to raise taxes on the middle class. The president promised he wouldn’t and his spokesman affirms it, disputing the two administration officials who actually know how the economy and the tax system works, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and National Economic Council Director Larry Summers. Somebody’s dishonest or clueless.
Give me the Northern Arc and a traffic tunnel under Atlanta and I’ll take toll roads. Congestion relief needs dramatic, visionary solutions. The DOT staff has those projects on a draft list for the board to consider. I’d even take the Lovejoy commuter rail boondoggle, if properly tolled.
Here are the people we trust to design and run a single-payer national health care system: U.S. Sens. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.), chairman of the Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee, and Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) say they thought the sweetheart loan deals they got from Countrywide Financial Corp. were “courtesy stuff” like frequent-flier discounts. When was the last time you got a sweetheart deal on a mortgage? They legislate for our world, but they don’t live in it.
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jconservative
August 6th, 2009
7:47 pm
“It’s amazing how many voters buy their troubles on election day.”
I agree Jim – the classic cases are every president elected since the 1980 election. It has resulted in an accumulated deficit of $11.5 trillion by those five presidents. “Americans get the kind of government they ask for……..”
Aquagirl
August 6th, 2009
8:14 pm
I wish Dubya had taken Jim’s approach to limit spending. Halliburton would have been unpatriotically dissatisfied with jacking up prices 1.5 times. Anyone in the defense contracting industry would laugh at such a small “price adjustment.” 1.5 is just a start.
Wow, Jim, way to ignore kids being harassed. Maybe it’s a guy thing to accept bullying as part of life. We in the civilized world consider assault by co-workers abnormal. Then again, I’m not a Republican hiring thugs to disrupt town hall meetings. More of those good old fashioned Republican Family Values.
clyde
August 6th, 2009
9:21 pm
Good evening Jim,
The guy on the 170 MPH motorcycle is on borrowed time regardless of what his headline said.
We can’t be having no reverse discrimination charges now.
It would be interesting also,Jim,to see how many of these bozos learned their trade from their parents.
The vast majority of the bullies and wise guys that I went to school with died before they were 50.
Where I live we barely speak stop sign.There are no red light cameras because we have no red lights.
William Jefferson had some weird ideas about courtesy stuff too.
Washington will raise taxes on the middle class.Let me repeat that.Washington will raise taxes on the middle class.
Michael H. Smith
August 6th, 2009
9:22 pm
It’s amazing how when liberals in the civilized world publically disrupt, scream angrily at meetings, form intimidating crowds or at times even break a few laws to voice opposition against anything they find objectionable that the government is doing, it is grass roots community organized and they who engage in the activities are called protesters.
Then again, when anyone other than socialist liberals in this civilized world publically disrupt, scream angrily at meetings or form intimidating crowds without actually breaking any laws to voice opposition against anything they find objectionable that the government is doing, it is Republican organized Astor turf and they who engage in the activities are called thugs, GOP operatives and plants.
This seems “fishy”, Mr. Wooten. Best report this to the White House Ministry of Propaganda Control at once before this malicious roomer committed against the State and dear leader Obumer spreads any further; and our names go on “The List”.
Michael H. Smith
August 6th, 2009
9:28 pm
Repeat that one more time clyde. Obumer shall raise taxes on the middle class.
In fact, he already has raised taxes on the middle class in “one form” which breaks his campaign promise not to raise taxes in any form on the middle class.
Jackie
August 6th, 2009
10:48 pm
If President Obama leaves the current tax structure intact, what chance would we have to reclaim our lead in world economic affairs?
Leave the taxes at current levels buys what?
Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy
August 6th, 2009
10:54 pm
From the confused Bean:
I don’t know about anyone else, but I like my coverage as is. The only other thing I could possibly wish about it is that it be free. And the government taxing corporations and small business even more, not to mention taxing John Q. Public, not just the wealthy as has already been admitted by Democrats, is not going to help make things better.
Like the bussed in slobs in T-shirts being paid minimum wages by insurance company lobbyists you’re operating from a paradigm of ignorance.
There are 5 committees crafting a health care bill, and only one, the Health Committee–Dodd’s in the Senate has reported out a bill. 4 haven’t.
So you’re pulling your assumptions from your butt–which is the closest anatomical/physiological concept you get to when it comes to medicine or health care.
To make it simple Bean–your coverage wouldn’t change.
If you get seriously ill, you will lose your coverage immediately under status quo. Whatcha gonna do then?
Where specifically in any bill that has cleared any House or Senate committee Bean, can you cite language that supports the phony delusions you’re spouting. Of the 2 committees in the Senate, one with a bill already, and 3 committees in the House only one committee has a bill and it has reported none of your delusional crap in its bill.
There is nothing that taxes low to middle income individuals or small businesses below $250 grand a year
a) Your coverage you want will not change. If you get very sick,they’ll cancel you before you can blink.
b) Where can you cite in any bill that says what you have claimed is in any health care plan since only one of the five committees 2 in the Senate and 3 in the House have not finalized a bill. Then the House and the Senate have to finalize a bill. That’d be steps 6 & 7. Then the Conference Committee would have to report a bill which would have to be passed by both House and Senate. That’s 8 Steps before the House and Senate vote on a final bill.
If you’re not sitting on Madam Ashley’s lap when she reads palms in the shack behind the tires and pink flamingos on the lawn, how in the hell are you getting this info you make up, and where in the hell are you getting it from?
So Bean– Where in the hell is your information coming from since there are no bills yet except a proposal from one Senate Committee?
Making it up is default among wingnuts here who are about the level of the bused in minimum wage idiots that shout in town hall meetings because they can’t get a job.
I’m sure since there are no bills from 4/5 committees, and the House and Senate, and the Conference Committee yet, that you have no authority for your self-inflicted fear stoking except your own delusions.
EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP
August 6th, 2009
10:55 pm
REPUBLICANS ARE NOTHING BUT HILLBILLIES AND THUGS,ALSO CRYSTAL METH DRUG DEALERS,LOCK’EM ALL UP AND SEND THEM TO CAMP GITMO AS AMERICAN HOME GROWN TERRORIST THE GOP
EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP
August 6th, 2009
11:00 pm
REMEMBER WHEN DICK CHENEY WAS WORKING FOR THE TERRORIST,WHEN HE OUTED VALERIE PLAME THE UNDER C.I.A AGENT,AND YOU REDNECKS SAID NOTHING ABOUT HIM BEING A TRAITOR,BUSH HIDING OUT THE BIN LADEN FAMILY ON 9-11,ALSO RUMSFELD SHAKING HANDS WITH SADDAM HUSSAIN,BUT NEVER WILL YOU HEAR THIS FROM A EVIL REPUBLICAN!
Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy
August 6th, 2009
11:05 pm
Wooten wasn’t concerned about spending 3 trillion and growing on Iraq and he wanted to go on a lobotomized spending spree when it came to the obsolete F22. Wooten was denied. Get used to it.
When they’re all arrested, it’ll be amusing to see how many of those bussed in Astro turf minimum waged uneducatd slobs in T-shirts will ask for public defenders because they can’t afford attorneys.
There’s a difference between asking a question and shouting a speaker down. They’d find out if they went to any Republican speech and repeated their tactics and fat butt would meet the back of a squad car in nanoseconds.
Dishonest and clueless is easy to ID–it’s Wooten and his bussed in slobs who pull their facts from their butts.
Georgia DOT has been a complete failure, like water policy during the entire Purdue administration which has been a joke.
Michael H. Smith
August 6th, 2009
11:11 pm
Most Republicans in Congress are dead set against a public option, saying it would drive insurers out of business. Some key centrist Democrats in Congress, notably Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (Mont.), say Democrats must give up on it if they want to win a filibuster-proof 60 votes in the Senate, and they are instead proposing “insurance cooperatives, nonprofit groups owned by their members that are similar to rural utility co-ops”. Obama recently expressed openness to this alternative.
“The hard reality is . . . that a public option does not have enough support in the Senate to pass,” said Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.).
Make the socialists liberals choke on the public single payer option government run healthcare!
Just say no to the evils of socialism!
Michael H. Smith
August 6th, 2009
11:25 pm
Democrats manufacturing Astor truf sending out their goon squads and bussed in phony counter protesters: Watch’em shout, threaten, scream and show angry disrespect in meetings. Don’t be surprised if they break a few laws to boot. Wonder how much stimulus money they’ll get paid?
….the AFL-CIO announced plans to mobilize labor activists to attend town hall meetings in 50 congressional districts this month to counter the conservative protesters.
White House aides David Axelrod and Jim Messina traveled to the Capitol for their presentation to Democratic senators. Senators saw videos of disruptions at events held by House members, and “were told to organize their events more carefully as well as work with labor unions and other friendly groups to generate enthusiasm.”
Michael H. Smith
August 6th, 2009
11:39 pm
By SCOTT RASMUSSEN
For all the back and forth about the “public option,” Congressional Budget Office estimates and proposed tax hikes, the fundamentals are really what make health-care reform a hard sell to American voters. As members of Congress head home for the August recess, they should take a close look at some poll numbers before they attempt to pass any new legislation.
The most important fundamental is that 68% of American voters have health-insurance coverage they rate good or excellent. That number comes from polling conducted this past weekend of 1,000 likely voters. Most of these voters approach the health-care reform debate fearing that they have more to lose than to gain.
Adding to President Barack Obama’s challenge as he sells health-care reform to the public is the fact that most voters are skeptical about the government’s ability to do anything well. While the president says his plan will reduce costs, 53% believe it will have the opposite effect.
There’s also the reality that 74% of voters rate the quality of care they now receive as good or excellent. And 50% fear that if Congress passes health-care reform, it will lead to a decline in the quality of that care.
Advocates of health-care reform on Capitol Hill are up against something bigger than voters’ reactions to a variety of specific proposals. Our polling in February found that by a 2-1 margin, voters believe that no matter how bad things are Congress can always make matters worse – OMG a Wootenism! That’s one reason 78% believe passage of the current congressional health-care proposals is likely to mean higher taxes for the middle class.
Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy
August 7th, 2009
12:46 am
The quality of care isn’t excellent for a large number of patients we see over the years who are cancelled. The quality of care is called “we don’t got none.
The slobs in T-shirt mobb of hot air blowers here ignore the fact that insurance companies are in business to cancel you.
If you look at who is in the White House you’ll find the answer to whether the majority of Americans want a public option to compete with insurance companies who screw them.
The majority of physicians’ organizations that includes MDs who have years of experience with patients and insurance companies do want health reform. That does not include this obsessive pasting dope that calls itself Smith. It does include the AMA–Smith not a member there.
What is Smith’s connection to health care? It’s when he tries to wipe his ass. Other than that zero. It’s where Smith pulls his phony stats from.
Note that the obsessive pasters who know nothing about health care don’t link to polls that back their asspulled figures up.
A copy of Trigg Palin’s Kenyan Birth Certificate has just arrived:
http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/a1bf711080f3000cb3d5eb1f0d52f262.jpg
The 6 “bipartisan” Senators currently writing the bill, who represent 3% of the country’s population. None of them share the beliefs of the 76% of the country that want a public option. in poll after poll.
Aquagirl
August 7th, 2009
7:28 am
Speaking of obstructionist do-nothings—looks like Sonny Perdoofus is in full Republican mode, vowing to “play hardball” in the water wars. Idiot.
If you voted for this goon, do us all a favor, stay away from the voting booth. You have zero political common sense.
Craig
August 7th, 2009
8:15 am
They be crazy, is hiding their real name of I B stupid, just read the comments and even more most of the talk is lies without facts.Live in the present and for get the lies that lead you to your misbeliefs!!
George American
August 7th, 2009
8:37 am
Take your pick cause the proof is there. This guy is a real clown
Obama is a SOCIALIST – proof: Health Care socialism
Obama is a COMMUNIST – proof: taking over the banking industry, GM and AIG
Obama is a FASCIST – proof: the soon to be enacted gun prohibition laws
Mr.Bean
August 7th, 2009
8:52 am
{From the confused Bean:}– the blog liberal wingnut drooler
I’m not confused at all. I WANT GOVERNMENT TO STAY THE HELL OUT OF PRIVATE BUSINESS. Why is that so hard for you drooling red doper diaper babies to get into your empty heads?
Oh wait, here’s the mentality of this clown and what kind of thinking this diaper soiling jerk does:
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{Wooten wasn’t concerned about spending 3 trillion and growing on Iraq and he wanted to go on a lobotomized spending spree when it came to the obsolete F22. Wooten was denied.}
So a jet that will take American into the next 30+ years and do things the F-35 can’t, and the Russian competition can’t, is obsolete. And this diaper soiling liberal says that Wooten got denied because the program ended and it was all democrats {I assume that’s the mentality here} that killed it. The plane has been in development since 1990 and been through three different presidents, all of which oversaw a reduction in production units before Obama and Pelosi came to town, and the final production reduction was established last year; with only the option given to the Obama Administration for four additional aircraft, used only for parts and never meant to fly. But I digress here. That diaper soiler probably hates the military period like all those fringe kooks in SanFran and wants us to just be protected by the UN. I’d also wager the kook soils diapers over The Military Industrial Complex.
That a-sshole can’t even get facts right about the F-22 and the red diaper doper baby wants us to think he or she or whatever the hell that thing is that thinks it knows what’s best for us WHO ARE HAPPY WITH OUR CURRENT HEALTH CARE.
Get out of OUR LIFE, you extremist leftist jerk.
Jackie
August 7th, 2009
8:58 am
Social Security and Medicare/MedicAid was created to help Americans without the financial wherewithal to maintain themselves.
Many of those that protest about our current health care system are probably using Medicare/MedicAid themselves, yet, they say they do not want the government intruding into health care. WHAT??????
jconservative
August 7th, 2009
9:18 am
Speaking of FAMOUS SOCIALIST: The following all helped create, save & promote SOCIALIST programs – Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 42 & Obama.
The SOCIALIST programs they helped create, save & promote? Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid & SCHIP. (I could name every president since Hoover but elect not to do so.)
What this country needs is a president who is NOT a SOCIALIST. We have not had one in the last 76 years.
Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work
August 7th, 2009
9:22 am
American International Group on Friday reported its first quarterly
profit since late 2007, though earnings are still on the decline as it
continues to restructure.
A.I.G. said its second-quarter net income was $1.8 billion, or $2.30
per share, after six losing quarters in a row; a year ago, the company
lost $5.4 billion.
“Our results reflect stabilization in certain of our businesses,” Chief
Executive Edward M. Liddy said in the earnings report.
"Charles", The Original
August 7th, 2009
9:23 am
I’m willing to bid all the tea in China and America that no one living in the Continental United States will say out loud that some of the so-called educated integrationist Settlers should’ve betrayed the ideals of the separatist founding fathers. And no one will say out loud that some of the so-called educated integrationist founding fathers should’ve conspired with the British and worked surreptitiously to integrate early Americans with the British. It’s commonly accepted by historians that practically all of the founding fathers and the Settlers wanted their children and posterity to taste the freedom of separatism, independence.
But how unfortunate are the common Negroes today. History shows how the so-called educated integrationist Negroes chose the volunteer slavery of integration over the liberty of separatism for their posterity. And as a consequence, the common Negroes are suffering tremendously today. In addition to spiritual, physical, mental, and social issues, Negroes experience a peculiar kind of scorn or ridicule via the media primarily at the hands of their traitors, the so-called educated integrationist Negroes. And it’s designed to conceal their shameful crime of treason and lock the common Negro mind into a perpetual state of confusion.
Although broken, tattered, drawers drooping, sometimes fatherless, and at other times motherless. Yet the record shows him/her consistently striking out blindly at their treasonous enemies, the so-called educated integrationist Negroes. And when clearly identified by authorities as those who strike out blindly at their enemies, they in no uncertain terms immediately proclaim their innocence when apprehended by the police. And from our vantage point, the message of the common Negro is crystal clear:
Oh freedom,
Oh freedom,
Oh freedom, God put freedom over me!
And before I’d be a slave,
I’ll be buried in my grave,
And go home to my Lawde and be free.
WBK
August 7th, 2009
9:23 am
Aquagirl
August 6th, 2009
You are all wet Aquagirl! You and your ilk have starved an oil based economy from oil and nuclear energy and that has contributed greatly to this economy’s downturn. Everything you try is ideology driven and that is not the real world. For instance China, Russia, and India will tell you to shove it up yours about CO2 emmissions and coal burning.
Maybe as you get older you will mature and see socialist ideas do not and have not ever worked.
I suggest you read the constitution for the first time. While you are at it read some of the letters written by the writers of the constitution. These were religious people but you have to read it for yourself and not let some progressive liberal ideolog tell you what it says. It is the unchanging values that endure.
All my life I have see more radical liberals than I have see screaming conservatives. You just in the advantage of having the media treating you so kindly while reporting the worse on the conservatives.
Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work
August 7th, 2009
9:24 am
Federal regulators accused Maurice R. Greenberg, the former chief
executive of A.I.G., on Thursday of overseeing deals that fraudulently
overstated the insurer’s financial position, charges that came after a
four-year investigation.
Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work
August 7th, 2009
9:28 am
Morgan Stanley said on Thursday that it has paid $950 million to buy
back a warrant it issued to the federal government as part of the broad
financial rescue plan rolled out last fall.
WBK
August 7th, 2009
9:32 am
How may of you wacho liberals have reported me to the white house yet? I am a prime candidate.
Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work
August 7th, 2009
9:32 am
Fannie Mae plans to tap $11 billion in new government aid after posting
another massive quarterly loss as the taxpayer bill from the housing
market bust keeps growing.
Jackie
August 7th, 2009
9:34 am
@Charles
Still spouting about things you can conflate, extrapolate and obfuscate. You don’t have a clue as to what you are talking about and use innuendo and half-truths to make your irrational, illogical and specious point(s).
When you have a substantial point to make, why not post that point and its attendant supporting statements for all to get a clear picture as to what you are trying to say.
Currently, you are rambling and do not have a logical conclusion to your subject. What is your point? As I have heard many older people say in their pointed life-lessons, “you don’t even know your name.”
JackLeg
August 7th, 2009
9:40 am
Hey Aquagirl, it was the UAW union guys who beat up an older woman, guess who HIRED the UAW thugs? The Obozo administration, idiot!!!!
"Charles", The Original
August 7th, 2009
9:44 am
Lately, I’m beginning to feel like Kenan Thompson of Saturday Night Live. In the scared straight program skit, he always goes too far in his attempt to correct the attitudes of young white would be criminals. And when cut off, corrected, or challenged by the top warden for going too far or being too explicit, he instantly throws up his hands indicating compliance and obedience.
Michael H. Smith
August 7th, 2009
9:44 am
You can always tell when you get to a socialist liberal, when you are in their kitchen so to speak. They go personal, they get very angry, they go nasty, real nasty and they even go to down right lying. Worst of all, some of them like the one that is attacking me, can’t sign their real names to their phony claims.
Setting the record straight:
To lay down some ground work a couple of definitions are in order.
Socialism: A political theory advocating state ownership of industry.
Populism: The political doctrine that supports the rights and powers of the common people in their struggle with the privileged elite.
I am a populist, this admittedly puts me at odds with many staunch hardcore Republicans which lumps me in an obscure group, though not necessarily a small group, of “pragmatists” or as some of Teddy Roosevelt’s relatives would call themselves a “Practical Republican”. However, I do not now nor have I ever been a card carrying member of any political party, though I have appeared on GOP contributor’s list and in the past gave money to elect conservative candidates, my political status is actually Independent. That should thoroughly debunk lie number one that says Smith is a Republican. As though anyone really cares.
Debunking lie number two:
The quality of care isn’t excellent for a large number of patients we see over the years who are cancelled. The quality of care is called “we don’t got none.
This is an easy one to nail down quickly as a matter of law. If your healthcare insurance has been cancelled the claim of no quality health care, as called in “we don’t got none” is untrue. Anyone in the United States, that means even an illegal alien, can go to the emergency room of any hospital and they must treat you with the same quality healthcare they give to anyone with private healthcare insurance. Consider lie number two debunked.
The slobs in T-shirt mobb of hot air blowers here ignore the fact that insurance companies are in business to cancel you.
Common logic alone nullifies this claim. Insurance companies are in business to make money. If the sole motive of insurance companies was to cancel the policies of the insured the insurance companies would not be in business for long. Insurance companies are like any other business they operate to make the most money possible by expending the least amount of money paid out from earnings. Insurance companies want to collect premiums, pay as few claims as possible even delay payment for as long as they can and cancel as few policy as possible. Lie number three debunked.
If you look at who is in the White House you’ll find the answer to whether the majority of Americans want a public option to compete with insurance companies who screw them.
The person now in the White House was elected primarily to fix a failed economy which he is yet to accomplish that task after spending billions of dollars to produce jobs. Obumer was not elected to create a government ran single payer healthcare system. If Americans wanted to go after everyone and everything that has screwed us the insurance companies probably would make the list proceeded at the very top by the Federal Government, the politicians in it and the federal bureaucracy. Lie number four debunked.
The majority of physicians’ organizations that includes MDs who have years of experience with patients and insurance companies do want health reform. That does not include this obsessive pasting dope that calls itself Smith. It does include the AMA–Smith not a member there.
Wanting healthcare reform is not the same as wanting government ran healthcare. I have for years advocated for a non-government ran healthcare system to compete with private sector insurance companies. The present Senate proposal of “insurance cooperatives, nonprofit groups owned by their members – ran by their members – that are similar to rural utility co-ops” is exactly what I want and nothing less. Lie number five completely debunked!
What is Smith’s connection to health care? It’s when he tries to wipe his ass. Other than that zero. It’s where Smith pulls his phony stats from.
My connection to healthcare is the same as that of millions of other Americans. I am a consumer which truly is the most important part of healthcare: “We the Patients” not “They the Congress”. The stats I use are taken form various public sources available to anyone over the Internet, in the print media or broadcast media. Lie number six debunked
The 6 “bipartisan” Senators currently writing the bill, who represent 3% of the country’s population. None of them share the beliefs of the 76% of the country that want a public option. in poll after poll.
Disregarding the non-sense posting of irrelevant hyperbole to move directly onto address the six 6 “bipartisan” Senators and the poll numbers: Americans, at least the vast majority of mainstream and main-street Americans tend to shy away from political extremes. Americans do want healthcare reform by an overwhelming majority but “they do not want the extremes of a government ran single payer system nor do they to settle for the status quo”. The majority of polls which anyone can check out, shows the majority of Americans do not support this Government ran Public single payer Option. I personally favor using Zogy and Rasmussen both highly respected polling organizations. Check poll after poll for your self reader, I believe you’ll find the Government ran Public single payer Option does not measure up to the claim that 76% of the country that want a public option.
As for lie number seven only you can decide readers.
I hope you will also find out as much as you can about non-profit consumer owned consumer ran healthcare cooperatives and support it as the reasonable Private Public Option. That is if you can trust yourself more than you trust our government.
Aquagirl
August 7th, 2009
9:46 am
@ WBK, I mentioned nothing on energy policy, the Federalist Papers (or rebuttals) and whatever else is stuck in your congested craw. If you like to rant, foaming at the mouth, on random subjects, it is indeed a free country. I do ask you please don’t use me as an excuse.
Michael H. Smith
August 7th, 2009
10:39 am
Jackie
August 7th, 2009
8:58 am
The people on Medicare that are protesting against the Public Option are probably looking at the cuts in funding to Medicare that will be used in part to pay for this Public single payer Option and the possibility of rationed healthcare for seniors. The old folks have certainly have alot to lose if the Public option ever becomes law.
Medicare has trillions of dollars of funding liability going forward that must be corrected otherwise the entitlements are not sustainable and the budget deficits will be unacceptable.
BG Bowen
August 7th, 2009
10:51 am
Jim,President Obama’s National healthcare plan will ration healthcare for most everyone – except for
Republicans who want vasectomies,abortions or birth control pills.
EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP
August 7th, 2009
11:07 am
MICHAEL H. SMITH SEE IT`S LIERS LIKE YOU AND THE REST OF THE EVIL REPUBLICANS,THAT TELL BULL$HIT LIES TO GO TO WAR AND BOMB INNOCENT PEOPLE,ALSO WITH ALL THE AMERICANS LOSING JOBS,IT WAS THE REPUBLICANS THAT WAS IN POWER IN 2000-2006,SO WITH ALL YOUR COWARD BULL$HIT,TAKE IT TO IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN TO SHOW HOW TRUE OF A PATRIOT YOU ARE? BUT NO ONLY REPUBLICAN COWARDS TALK ABOUT WAR,BUT WONT GO FIGHT THEM COWARD MIKE I`M TALKING ABOUT YOU RUSH,BUSH,CHENEY,RUMSFELD AND SAXBY,TAKE YOUR FAKE@$$ TAXCUTS AND SHOVE THEM UP YOUR @$$ GOP!
Michael H. Smith
August 7th, 2009
11:10 am
Blah, blah, blah, you have been debunked, evil one.
JDW
August 7th, 2009
11:16 am
It is clear to me from this motley assortment of comments that the biggest issues we face today are partisanship and sensationalism (in some cases outright lying). Some of you just don’t seem to understand the basic fact that American health care costs are unsustainable and on top of that we don’t get our money’s worth. As a small business owner that pays insurance costs for five families I am appalled by what happens each year to our costs. I have a policy for a family of four with a $3500 deductible for each of us ($12,000 max) that has gone from about $350 a month 3 years ago to $711 this year. We have had no out of the ordinary expenses and have paid more in premium that we have received in benefits yet our costs rise more than 20% a year. You people need to wake up to reality our country can’t keep spending this much money on health care. At the same time it is clear to me that in the area of fiscal conservatism the Republican party has failed miserably. In the last 30 years we have had RR, GB1, BC, GB2 and now BO. Of that number the only administration to actually balance the budget was the sole Democrat. Over 80% of the accumulated deficit we face today was created by the last 4 Republican presidents.
Aloha Gator
August 7th, 2009
11:29 am
A person who was not allowed into a town hall meeting in St. Louis was attacked and beaten by a group of SEIU union members.
I suppose that’s how the liberal, “tolerant” lefties choose to respond to those seventy year old, “manufactured”, “right wing extremeists”.
If one of those jerks touched my father or grandfather I hate to think what would happen.
Get ready…. It’s on!
This story is blowing up by the hour. The accounts and videos are flooding the internet. I wouldn’t be surprised to see firearms at these demonstrations. If the police refuse to protect American citizens gathering to protest and exersize their constitutional right of free speech and assembly those citizens WILL protect themselves!
Pay attention and beware ACORN, SEIU and democrats in Congress. This is just getting started. Anybody who thinks those folks are just going to go away or shut up or be intimidated better think again.
anita bryant
August 7th, 2009
11:32 am
Repubs Gowin’ Down–They Be Crazy -another un-employed midtown gay heard.
Larrybobba
August 7th, 2009
11:33 am
Wooten says: “Somebody’s dishonest or clueless.”
Say what there, Jim? Are you talking about tax dollars and how they’re spent?
Are you describing Hank Paulson, our stuttering, stammering, $500x millionaire (thank you Goldman Sachs) former Treasury Secretary who got TARP’s first installment sans accountability for his Wall Street pals?
Are you also describing George W, our clueless former President (who I regretfully voted for twice), who started a war (of choice) while simultaneously cutting taxes on the wealthiest Americans, ignoring his then Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neil’s vehement and proper advice to not cut taxes while starting a war. A stance which got O’Neil fired.
Aloha Gator
August 7th, 2009
11:34 am
Don’t believe me about the attack in St. Louis? See it for yourself.
http://www.breitbart.tv The video is on the homepage.
Michael H. Smith
August 7th, 2009
11:38 am
Add Families USA of “Harry and Louise” fame to the association with ACORN, SEIU and the democrats in Congress pushing only for the Public Option.
Aloha Gator
August 7th, 2009
11:38 am
U.S. Congressman David Scott (D-13th district) is holding a public town hall meeting on August 15th.
Mundy’s Mill High School
Jonesboro, GA 30238
Saturday, August 15, 2009
Start Time: 10:00 AM End Time: 2:00 PM
I wonder if he’ll have the courage to show up.
EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP
August 7th, 2009
11:39 am
OKAY RACIST WHITES DONT THINK ABOUT STARTING UP A RACEWAR,YOU HICKS ARE GOING DOWN,IT`S NOT JUST THE BLACKS AND INDIANS HERE,BUT ASIAN HISPANIC JEW AND ARAB,REMEMBER THAT YOU REDNECK HICKS DONT LIKE JEWS EITHER,SO IF YOU HICKS THINK THAT YOU CAN WIN A RACEWAR GO AHEAD AND TRY IT,I SEE THE COMING DESTRUCTION OF BABYLON(AMERICA)IT WILL FALL WITHIN 1 HOUR SAYS GOD,THE RACIST ARE OUTNUMBERED NOW!
Th
August 7th, 2009
11:41 am
MKSmith: There are no cuts to funding for Medicare in the health care reform bills before congress. You are misinformed. There are estimates that certain aspects of the health reform plans will lead to greater efficiencies and more cost-effective and higher quality health care which will result in lower increases in costs to Medicare going forward. The savings numbers are estimates of the difference between what would be spent if we do nothing and what we will spend if reforms are put in place.
Georgia Ford Delaer
August 7th, 2009
11:42 am
Saxby Chambliss voted against the little guy yesterday, guess we did not offer him enough money.
Aloha Gator
August 7th, 2009
11:42 am
Want to know if and where your congressman is going to be this month while home on recess?
this link will give you the information. Most democratic congressmen will not post their speaking locations on their websites and their offices WILL NOT tell you where they’re scheduled to speak.
Interesting huh?
http://teapartypatriots.org/state.aspx?state=Georgia
Aloha Gator
August 7th, 2009
11:45 am
Ignore EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP. What a fool.
He’s proably blogging from a contraband cell phone in his jail cell.
EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP
August 7th, 2009
11:49 am
ALOHA GATOR IF YOU ARE A PATRIOT? THEN WHY DIDNT YOU GO HELP YOUR REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT BUSH,HELP FIGHT THE WAR ON TERROR IN IRAQ AND AFHGANISTAN? WHY ARE ALL YOU REDNECK COWARDS ON THESE BLOGS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FIND OSAMA BIN LADEN IN AFGHANISTAN,YOU HILLBILLIES ARE SICK EVIL AND TWISTED,YOUR TIME IS UP FOR GOOD REPUBLICANS,PUT THE DIRT ON TOP OF THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE DEAD IN THE WATER!
Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy
August 7th, 2009
11:50 am
@Bean
The only things the F22 does that the F32 can’t is need millions of bucks of maintainance every flight hour, has no use in any theater we are in or remotely will be in, and cannot be used by every branch of service. That’s why the morons have delusions and we make the decisions. We win elections and you’re relegated to pissing and moaning on a comment section of a newspaper that’s deteriorated into high school level where you belong. As long as your party is homogenously stupid, you aren’t winning any elections and that translates to eternity.
U.S. Congressman David Scott (D-13th district) is holding a public town hall meeting on August 15th.
Mundy’s Mill High School
Jonesboro, GA 30238
Saturday, August 15, 2009
Start Time: 10:00 AM End Time: 2:00 PM
I wonder if YOU’LL have the courage to show up. Anyone disrupting the meeting will promptly be arrested. Make sure you come and ask a question by screaming “Liar Liar” at the top of your lungs. The Clayton county jail will be the perfect place for your idiot butt.
Database Takes Patients for Billions, Study Finds
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON (AP) — Congressional investigators said Wednesday that two-thirds of the nation’s health insurance industry used a faulty database that overcharged patients for seeing doctors outside their insurance network, costing them billions of dollars in inflated bills.
The flawed database was operated by Ingenix, a subsidiary of the health insurer UnitedHealth Group, which agreed in January to pay $350 million to settle allegations that it deliberately kept rates low to underpay doctors, driving up expenses for patients.
UnitedHealth has admitted no wrongdoing in its handling of Ingenix, though it agreed to close the database and help pay for a new one operated by a nonprofit group.
An investigation by Senator John D. Rockefeller IV, Democrat of West Virginia, shows that nearly 20 regional and national insurers also used Ingenix data.
A continuing investigation by the New York attorney general, Andrew M. Cuomo, previously focused on the use of Ingenix data by only a handful of top insurers, including Aetna, Wellpoint and Cigna. About a dozen insurers, including UnitedHealth, have reached settlements with Mr. Cuomo.
More than 100 million Americans have plans that allow them to see doctors who are not part of their insurance network. For more than a decade, insurers submitted data to Ingenix to determine the typical cost for care received in such visits.
But Congressional investigators say companies would deliberately skew data to underestimate the costs of medical services, leaving patients to pay more in out-of-pocket expenses.
“The result of this practice is that American consumers have paid billions of dollars for health care services that their insurance companies should have paid,” according to the report of the Senate Commerce Committee’s investigative staff.
Aloha Gator
August 7th, 2009
11:53 am
nanny nanny boo boo. Stick your head in doo doo.
I ain’t scared. Democrats should be.
EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP
August 7th, 2009
11:54 am
NO YOU CANT IGNORE ME ALOHA GATOR! I SPEAK THE TRUTH,I DARE ANYONE OF YOU EVIL REPUBLICANS TO TRY TO MATCH THE TRUTH AGAINST YOUR EVIL FALSEHOOD,REMEMBER LYING IS THE MAIN REASON THE REPUBLICANS WAS VOTED OUT OF OFFICE YOU REDNECK HICKS!
yeah right
August 7th, 2009
11:55 am
“I wonder if YOU’LL have the courage to show up. Anyone disrupting the meeting will promptly be arrested. Make sure you come and ask a question by screaming “Liar Liar” at the top of your lungs. The Clayton county jail will be the perfect place for your idiot butt.”
I doubt this homo would leave his mother’s basement and go to the rally. Mr Policeman, Hellp! I broke a finger nail.
Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy
August 7th, 2009
11:58 am
@ Smith–
The idiot Bush, who like you had no medical training thought the ER was the place to treat Americans of all ages for all ailments. The ER is a place to treat emergent episodic problems. It is hardly the place to treat chronic ailments and is always clogged and impaired from doing what it was designed to do for acute medical and surgical emergencies by people showing up for the treatment of chronic illness.
It is not the place to manage ongoing hypertension, COPD, diabetwes, coronary ischemia that is chronic, to name just a few. The physician hardly has the time, and in most ERs the emergency specialist has a set of skills aimed at emergencies while the FP and Internist and medical subspecialists and surgical subspecialists have skills aimed basically at chronic problems.
I’ve done ER for years, them office based practice for years. You’ve picked your butt. Only an imbecile would say the ER is the place for this country’s population to get their care if they lose their insurance. I did tertiary ER work as a physician for 7 years. We didn’t do mastectomies in the ER. We could lower BP, and we could normalize blood sugar and ketoacidosis and did it every day, but we were not the place to do chronic medical history and treatment. Only an imbecile thinks so, and you’ve shown an imbecile does. We also did not do prostate surgery or breast surgery in the ER or surgeries for a gamut of problems or cancers. We were busy treating acute emergencies, sewing lacerations, treating acute fractures, acute MIs, acute CVAs, arrhythmias, and a list of hundreds of acute emergencies.
We were not the place for diagnosis and treatment of chronic non-emergent diseases, never have been, and never will.
This kind of statement tells us precisely why we are determined to revise the health care system.
EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP
August 7th, 2009
11:58 am
LOOK AT HOW YOUR 50TH EDUCATION FROM GEORGIA ADDS UP ALOHA GATOR,NANNY NANNY BOO BOO STICK YOUR HEAD IN DOO DOO REPLY,YOU HICKS CAN NEVER STATE FACTS BUT LIES AND PROPAGANDA,YOUR EVIL DAYS ARE UP REDNECKS LIKE ALOHA GATOR AND MIKE H.SMITH,LIE LIE THE REPUBLICANS DIE DIE!
Michael H. Smith
August 7th, 2009
12:02 pm
Th: Did I say there are cuts to funding for Medicare “in the health care reform bills before congress”?
I didn’t use those exact words at all, so you are the one who is misinformed about what I actually said.
What I did say: The people on Medicare that are protesting against the Public Option “are probably looking at the cuts in funding to Medicare” that will be used in part to pay for this Public single payer Option and the possibility of rationed healthcare for seniors.
But here’s something from reported by the AP on a liberal news organization Website.
Political role reversal
The dueling sound bites frame a political role reversal.
When the Republicans were in power, their attempts to cut Medicare to reduce government spending ran into a wall of opposition from Democrats. Now that Democrats are in control, they’re calling for hundreds of billions in Medicare cuts to help the uninsured get coverage.
The House bill — the congressional proposal that has advanced the most — would reduce projected increases in Medicare payments to providers by more than $500 billion over 10 years, a gross cut of about 7 percent over the period. But the legislation would also plow nearly $300 billion back into the program, mainly to sweeten payments to doctors.
That still leaves a net cut of more than $200 billion, which would be used to offset new federal subsidies for workers and their families now lacking health insurance. Those uninsured workers also pay the taxes that go to support medical care for the elderly.
Despite the cuts, the seniors’ lobby is supporting the House legislation. But AARP says that’s as far as the cost-cutting should go. The group says it’s troubled by a proposal recently embraced by Obama to create a special advisory panel that would regularly recommend more savings, with authority to force Congress to act on them. AARP says the costs board should also have to take into account effects on quality of care and access before making any recommendations.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32225671/ns/politics-capitol_hill/
lemmy go
August 7th, 2009
12:02 pm
See how these pathetic libs project their insanity?
Read all the posts of Repubs Gowin’ Down–They Be Crazy. The only one crazy in this thread is you. Go get a job and move out of your mother’s basement.Try to have sex with someone else in the room. And get a personality.
Mrs. Godzilla
August 7th, 2009
12:04 pm
Hi Jackie,
Just wanted to let you know what you said is so powerful. Just so very very powerful.
“Still spouting about things you can conflate, extrapolate and obfuscate. You don’t have a clue as to what you are talking about and use innuendo and half-truths to make your irrational, illogical and specious point(s).”
Michael H. Smith
August 7th, 2009
12:05 pm
Oh and by the way Th, my name is Michael H. Smith not MKSmith.
clyde
August 7th, 2009
12:09 pm
Mr.Bean,
In the past private business proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it could not be trusted to run itself in a manner that would not totally ruin everything it touched.It proved that it needed regulating by government.Private enterprise was it’s own worst enemy.It still is today.
In it’s infancy days in this country it had slaves working it’s fields.It had children employed in it factories.Private industry exploited it’s workers until unions were formed for protection.Government regulation is,unfortunately,necessary.Private enterprise caused the need for regulation with it’s unmitigated greed.
EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP
August 7th, 2009
12:09 pm
BOTTOMLINE WHEN REPUBLICANS ARE IN OFFICE,AMERICA GOES TO HELL,AND WHEN THE DEMOCRAPS ARE IN OFFICE,THEY HAVE TO COME THRU AND FIX THE PHUCK UP FROM THE GOP!
ADL
August 7th, 2009
12:18 pm
Sorry I’m so late in writing. I had to go to work today. It’s a shame you libtards don’t have the same problem.
Aloha Gator
August 7th, 2009
12:19 pm
DEMOCRAPS – I’m gonna have to put that on a t-shirt. Thank you.
By the way… you’re use of the word “phuck” is way out of line. This is a is a public discussion forum. Behave yourself or mommy will have to take away your big wheel.
Besides, isn’t time for for your jello and inmate shower party?
Michael H. Smith
August 7th, 2009
12:24 pm
The only evil greater than unfetter capitalism is the fetters of socialism, clyde.
Aloha Gator
August 7th, 2009
12:34 pm
During the campaign candidate Obama said, ‘Argue With Neighbors, Get In Their Face’
http://www.breitbart.tv/campaign-flashback-obama-says-argue-with-neighbors-get-in-their-face/
What’s the problem?
Seems “fishy” to me… Better flag it to the White House.
This Sorry Government NOT working for Americans
August 7th, 2009
12:38 pm
Taxes were raised 156% to fund the medicaid program. They wont cut taxes they are raising them on certain areas and certain people.
How many of you democrates are even willing to do the reading and look into things that the democrates are really doing. You might have a change of heart if you have kids who you want to be productive in the future.
Truely, the Government is not going to take care of you, they are going to rob you and then assist you in your death when you become a burden on the social security system and need medical care. This healthcare program IMO is one way to fix their democrate spending and cure social security at the same time. People who are refused medical care will die, thus not able to collect their social security checks.
Michael H. Smith
August 7th, 2009
12:38 pm
Yippie, a new group of flaggers has been created!
Aloha Gator
August 7th, 2009
12:41 pm
What does an angry mob look like? Hmmmmmmmmm.
http://www.breitbart.tv/a-look-at-the-dncs-definition-of-an-angry-mob/
That grandma scares me to death. I’ll bet she’s a threat to national security. Better flag her to the Great Leader. She’s dangerous.
Dunwoody Mike
August 7th, 2009
12:44 pm
Michael Smith,
Socialism is NOT the state ownership of the means of production. That is what is known as state capitalism, similiar to what the Soviet Union became under Stalin. Socialism is WORKER ownership and control of the means of production. All members of the factory, restaurant, or call center have equal say in how the industry is run, through worker’s councils.
Aloha Gator
August 7th, 2009
12:48 pm
Dear Mr. Great Leader Obama,
You say, “Don’t Want the Folks Who Created the Mess to Do a Lot of Talking”. Your plan to silence us is backfiring more every hour.
Truthfully sir, you ain’t seen nothing yet. We’re just getting started. We will not shut up. We will not be threatened or intimidated by you or your minions. You work for us, sir.
http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-dont-want-the-folks-who-created-the-mess-to-do-a-lot-of-talking/
oh boy
August 7th, 2009
12:50 pm
The lazy, perverted libs in this country are all parasites. They will continue to suck the host (taxpayers) until the host dies or kills the parasites. It is that simple folks, biology 101.
JackLeg
August 7th, 2009
12:50 pm
EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP,
just a word on internet world, using all caps is shouting, does that make you a mob? If you look on the keyboard there is a caps lock key, if you push it once it will turn off you loud and obnoxious yelling.
Michael H. Smith
August 7th, 2009
12:54 pm
Dunwoody Mike
August 7th, 2009
12:44 pm
That is your definition of socialism Dunwoody Mike, Merriam-Webster’s defines it quite differently.
* Main Entry: so·cial·ism
* Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
* Function: noun
* Date: 1837
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
Aloha Gator
August 7th, 2009
12:57 pm
Wanna shock Washington, DC?
Show up on the National Mall on Saturday, September 12, 2009 for the March on Washington. If you’ve never attended a political rally and you want to make a difference we need you there.
When upwards of 500,000 – 1,000,000 people show up, they CAN NOT ignore or ridicule us any longer!
Delta has round-trip tickets from Atlanta to Reagan National Airport for $149. Take the Metro (subway) into DC and get off at the Smithsonian station.
Your country and our Constitution need you now more than ever!
http://912dc.org/
EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP
August 7th, 2009
12:57 pm
IM GLAD THAT IM A REAL ESTATE INVESTOR,WHO CAN BLAST THESE COUNTRY REDNECK HICKS OUT OF THE WATER,WITH THEIR RACIST LIES,ON THESE BLOGS,I GET TO WORK FROM HOME HILLBILLY HICKS,I HAVE A HOME IN KENNESAW,GA AND ONE DOWN IN SAVANNAH,GA SO YOU REDNECK BROKE NO MONEY HAVING BECAUSE YALL BOY BUSH BROKE YOU ALL,AND NOW YOUR CHICKEN PLANTS AND CARPET FACTORIES ARE CLOSED,AND YOU HICKS HAVE NO WORK,ACCEPT CHURCH`S AND KFC,NOW GET BACK TO WORK AND WHERE ARE MY NAPKINS AND MUSTARD HICKS!
Dunwoody Mike
August 7th, 2009
1:00 pm
Michael Smith,
I have capitalized the key word in the sentence below, which you have seemed to overlook:
any of various economic and political theories advocating COLLECTIVE or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.
If you want to know what socialism is, read some Marx, Engels, Lenin, or Trotsky. Their explanations are much more thorough than a single line in a dictionary.
EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP
August 7th, 2009
1:04 pm
MIKE H.SMITH AND ALOHA GATOR SEE IM NOT A DEMONCRAT DEMOCRAP OR EVIL REPUBLICAN,I AM A INDEPENDENT THINKER,AND I THINK FOR MYSELF,IT LOOKS LIKE MOST REPUBLICANS DONT THINK FOR THEMSELVES,THEY LET SAXBY SUNNY AND BUSH HICKS THINK FOR THEM,SO IN THE MEAN TIME ENJOY THE REPUBLICANS FUNERAL,BECAUSE THEY ARE DEAD!
silly rabbit
August 7th, 2009
1:06 pm
Liberals do not read. They just moronically parrot whatever lib crap kos and huffington feed them. Notice how the libs do not want to discuss Odumbo’s expansion of the war.
yeah right
August 7th, 2009
1:17 pm
Go liberal Parrot, sqwawk sqwawk, fairy want a cracker? They spew from the keyboard because in real life they get their azz beat. sqwawk
Aloha Gator
August 7th, 2009
1:17 pm
The administration and leadership in Congress try to marginalize, dismiss and ridicule those who disagree with them.
They have very thin skins and are cowards. They wanted this gig. They got this gig. Deal with it.
http://www.breitbart.tv/cavuto-nothing-subtle-about-this-administrations-response-to-criticism/
Michael H. Smith
August 7th, 2009
1:23 pm
If you want to use collective fine with me, though, the keywords that most use and which are commonly-normally accepted is “governmental ownership”. It certainly does not change what I support in the way cooperative healthcare which is owned individually more so than as a collective. Which means the individual who puts more of their own money into a MSA will have more options than someone who puts less money into a MSA even though subsidies should assure to all participants-members have at least the two major components of minor and major medical care but not optional or elective healthcare.
If you look back in history Teddy Roosevelt actually proposed a major medical plan in order to keep people from going bankrupt due to untimely illness. Interestingly enough, it might come as a shocker but even Rush Limbaugh of all people actually said much the same thing about government providing a major medical insurance to prevent a medical induced bankrupcy in an interview with Fox New’s Greta Van Susteren.
If your purpose was to simply argue correctness of theory you’re probably talking to the wrong guy. My interest is simply getting every U.S. citizen healthcare by the most affordable, accessible, portable means by which they will always own and control, without government or business essentially owning and controlling their healthcare.
Mr. Bean
August 7th, 2009
1:23 pm
Good work Michael H. Smith. Keep the heat on these fascist Marxists on the fringe left on this blog.
@ No life moonbat:
“The only things the F22 does that the F32 can’t is need millions of bucks of maintainance every flight hour, has no use in any theater we are in or remotely will be in, and cannot be used by every branch of service.”
1). Nobody knows what the future holds. The plane is not for the here and the now, where apparently you liberals like to dwell in.
2) The Air Force has ALWAYS had specialized aircraft for aerial superiority that was not shared with other branches. Have you ever seen a Coast Guard or Navy F-15? Or have you ever seen a US Air Force F-18E Super Hornet, the Tomcat’s replacement? Or a Navy SR-71? Navy F-117? You sheer idiocy over that subject is laughable.
3) The F-35 is a replacement for the multi-role F-18 for the Marines and the Navy, and the Air Force F-16. If you think the F-16 could have replaced the F-15 at the time of their inceptions in the 1970s, then you are perhaps the largest, big-mouthed ill-informed nobody I have ever had the displeasure of meeting on the web.
“I wonder if YOU’LL have the courage to show up. Anyone disrupting the meeting will promptly be arrested. ”
I wouldn’t set FOOT in a Democrat district. Don’t really care what your people think and say.
Now for the grown up speak.
So, the off-the-chain Democrats are now stating that the outspoken town hall folks are violent and equating them to McVeigh and the OKC bombing. That’s no joke. So what happens when a sole Conservative protests where a Democrat congressman is hosting a town hall forum? He gets the hell beat out of him:
“The Saint Louis Post-Dispatch is reporting that one of their own, reporter Jake Wagman, was one of six people arrested in connection with the beating of a conservative activist outside of a town hall forum held by Democrat Congressman Russ Carnahan. According to Dawn Majors, a Post-Dispatch photojournalist who witnessed everything unfold, an officer said that Wagman had been “interfering.”"
Now how many “violent” people have you seen cause injury at those town hall meetings again? We’ll see how DNCNN, PMSNBC, NYT, and other “news” outlets report that. Now it doesn’t take much gray matter to comprehend what would happen if a Republican were in the White House and trying to ram an extremist and aggressive Conservative agenda through government. How about, say, the complete takeover and privatization of Social Security. Do you not think that those same DNC media wh0res would be praising those FREEDOM TO SPEAK OUT as these folks are doing?
But let’s sit back and look at the bigger picture of what’s going on. Madam Speaker equates the town hall folks were are exercising their American-given liberties and FREEDOM TO SPEAK OUT as Nazis. The White House is using the official White House dot gov website to establish a community watchdog organization of ordinary citizens to report any “questionable” material or even internet posts on health care reform. Again, another Nazi style tactic: report any of your family, friends, neighbors, or even strangers who speak out against tyranny. Saddam Hussein had a similar program in place and you can bet the little tyrant North Korean gargoyle who Bill Clinton just validated has something in place too.
Now the irony moment is that apparently Rush Limbaugh equated the current Democrat tactics as more Nazi-sque than anything else. The Democrats are now running around like little children whining and saying he should be taken off the air. OH THE HUMANITY! Yeah like that’s never been said before. Okay, so here’s a quick rundown of what this current crop of Democrat leadership in both chambers of Congress and the White House are doing if you haven’t been keeping up with current events: suppressing free speech under the guise of labeling THE OUTSPOKEN as mobs/tyrants/McVeigh Nazis; attempting to shut down talk radio; moving towards an anti-gun owning establishment; taking over private enterprise; establishing government “czars” for just about every aspect of America who are taking powers away from appointed cabinets; abusing powers making closed door policies which they said they wouldn’t do; buying corporate jets to fly themselves around the globe when previously crying over corporate jets by GM, Ford, and Chrysler; as has been mentioned here several times by several people and goes completely ignored by the left – taxing the middle class to pay for socialized health care; unconstitutionally threatening to force socialized health care into action even if there aren’t enough Congressional votes and irrespective of the fact that the will of the American people are against it and growing more against it daily.
Obama’s poll numbers have dropped 4 points in just the last month alone. In just six months in office, his approval ratings on Gallup have gone from a high of 71% to now 56%; on Rasmussen tracking those numbers have gone from 48% to 33%. It cannot be emphasized enough that this is truly a turning point in American history. Americans are standing up to these power-trip hungry Democrats, and the Democrats don’t like it. They apparently have never been told NO! before. Their arrogance speaks loudly however. And like little spoiled children, they start crying, making false accusations of fellow Americans, and attempting to quell dissent. It’s becoming fascinating to watch this current crop of Democrat leaders become unglued, unhinged, and turn into everything they said the Bush administration was and was doing, even going so far as saying that Bush was a dictator.
But back to allegedly dangerous and angry mobs according to the moonbatic leftwingnuts, how about some union thugs beating up people? Note the video at 3:21…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kxaGfClPws
Yeah, Obama the uniter indeed. People of America, this is just unbelievable behavior and flat out setting a dangerous precedence for the future of our Democratic Republic. This is not what this nation was founded for, was not what we have fought wars for, and certainly is not what America stands for. Who would have thought that with complete control in Washington, moonbats continue to project the hate and scurry around b!tching about the Bush administration, Palin, Rush, et. al. You would also have thought that if these people truly believed in their socialized health care plan, and no it’s NOT JUST about insurance as they want you to believe, then they wouldn’t be using 1) the White House dot gov website to report “questionable” comments about said health care initiative and 2) dangerous and Nazi rhetoric against THE OUTSPOKEN who reject this proposal. You don’t think those old people are going to come out of the woodwork in 2010 and 2012 and vote these Democrats out? And let’s not forget all those baby boomers who will be swelling those ranks over the next decade. They know what’s going on too. If the Democrats don’t wise up and grow up and drop that chip off their shoulder, they will destroy themselves just like the Republicans did. Wow, it didn’t take long for them to show their true colors, did it?
Have a nice weekend my fellow American Conservative Republicans!
ha ha
August 7th, 2009
1:29 pm
Somebody explain that to the little midtown parrot. Sqwawk!
Aloha Gator
August 7th, 2009
1:30 pm
Dr Mr. Bean,
Way to go! You’re the man!
Your last post was one of the best I’ve ever seen on this site.
When Obama sends the FBI to lock me up for speaking my mind I want you as my attorney.
Michael H. Smith
August 7th, 2009
1:32 pm
Have fun folks, I probably return later on. It is time for me to get busy on my day off and do the regular stuff regular people do that have a life other than wasting it sitting around blogging all day and night. Okay dear leaderless obumer that means you got the rest of the day off too. Enjoy.
Dunwoody Mike
August 7th, 2009
1:34 pm
Michael Smith,
I also want healthcare for all in this nation. personally, I think any ideas to take funding OUT of Medicare is moronic; rather, I would prefer an expansion of Medicare to all citizens, as in H.R. 676. With that would be the option to purchase supplementary coverage through private insurers, to cover the 20 percent that Medicare may not cover.
I think with this we can get a mix, much like how the British NHS works…everybody gets the NHS coverage (which is rated pretty decently and cheaper per capita than here), but those that wish to purchase private insurance can do so.
I also think that we need to change how medical professionals are paid in this nation, and pay them by results delivered, not just number of tests ordered.
I had not really heard anything about Teddy Roosevelt, although I do know Truman wanted to create a national healthcare plan in ‘46 or ‘47, but was defeated.
Oh, and Mr. Bean, a “fascist Marxist” is an oxymoron. They are at completely ends of the political spectrum.
Aloha Gator
August 7th, 2009
1:38 pm
Common Sense for Healthcare:
I think that people have been so busy with their personal lives and the left has up until now been moving stealth with these programs, that it took healthcare for people to finally wake up and see what is going on.
1) Provide for interstate commerce to allow people to buy health insurance across state lines.
2) no free healthcare for illegals
3) cap malpractice judgments
4) allow people the same rate structure to buy healthcare as those found in group policies
5) allow portability.
This would address 90% of people’s concerns, reduce costs, and keep the government – the same people who have botched every other program – out of the doctor’s office.
Dunwoody Mike
August 7th, 2009
1:40 pm
In order to pay for this, we can “means test” (i.e., throw out) the top 5 percent of income earners. They can buy their insurance and pay cash. We can also increase the cap on which income is taxed for Medicare/SS. Since the richest in our society have benefitted the most from the public infrastructure, they have an ethical obligation to pay more…at least I believe.
And no, I am NTO talking out taxing them out of existence.
Conservative
August 7th, 2009
2:05 pm
Mr. Bean
August 7th, 2009
1:23 pm
Have you ever seen Government Waste you did not love.? You big spending, big government liberals have ruined our country.
Chris
August 7th, 2009
2:12 pm
I believe no praise is due to Norcross….I was driving by the intersection of Peahtree Industrial & Medlock Bridge, and workers were feveriously running cables and reinstalling the redlight cameras.
Hillbilly Deluxe
August 7th, 2009
2:23 pm
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner should know how the tax system works; he certainly knew how to evade it.
The best way to deal with a bully is to bloody his nose. I had a friend who was a high school teacher. A female student in her class was constantly bullied and picked on by some of the boys. She (the teacher) reported it to her superiors and nothing was ever done about it. One day the girl had her fill of it and indeed bloodied a boy’s nose. You guessed it; the girl was arrested. Is it any wonder things are in a mess?
retiredds
August 7th, 2009
2:34 pm
Poor Jim, as usual Democrat = bad and Republican = good. The concrete personality is usually reserved for the 8-12 year old. In them it is acceptable. For an adult it is regressive.
deegee
August 7th, 2009
2:45 pm
I want someone to review the DOT’s decision to install those decorative traffic signals on every freeway entrance ramp in metro Atlanta. What did that cost the taxpayers and whose personal economy was stimulated by that boondoggle? I would love to know what the good stewards of Georgia’s tax revenue spent on that project. I have never seen even one traffic signal in operation and they have been there for at least 18 months. WTF?
IC Atlanta
August 7th, 2009
2:53 pm
Two universal truths:
Bullies are always pansies once you get below the first layer.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Algonquin J. Calhoun
August 7th, 2009
2:53 pm
Aqua Girl is not all wet! She makes good points about Halliburton! They robbed the country, did inferior work and didn’t even have to compete to be able to steal all they could. George W. Hitler and Vice-Fuhrer Cheney should be tried for their many crimes and punishment carried out.
deegee
August 7th, 2009
2:54 pm
Jenny Sanford and sons packed up and moved out of the Governor’s Mansion today. They just got back from their 2-week family vacation in Europe. Suffice it to say, it wasn’t a love connection.
Mel Martinez quits today as the Republican senator from Florida. This occurs the day after his party disses the first Hispanic Supreme Court justice of the U.S. It’s just too embarrassing to be an Hispanic republican.
IC Atlanta
August 7th, 2009
3:06 pm
deegee – you conveniently forget the way the Democrats treated or mistreated Miguel Estrada who most likely would’ve been the first Hispanic on the Supreme Court or Janice Rogers Brown. Minorities are loved by the left until they learn to think for themselves and leave the plantation behind.
Steve
August 7th, 2009
3:20 pm
Algonquin,
You sound as though you’re all for giving Bush and Cheney a “fair” trial. Almost as fair as Obama was to the police officer who arrested Gates for showing his butt.
retiredds
August 7th, 2009
3:28 pm
IC Atlanta 2:53, sorry to bust your illusion but liberalism is not a mental disorder but a dictionary term. For your edification liberalism is defined as, the quality or state of being liberal, as in behavior, attitude, etc. To further enlighten you liberal has multiple definitions but I will only relay the first few (you can go to a dictionary to look up the rest). Liberal, 1. favorable to progress or reform, as in religious or political affairs, 2. noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform. 3. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
I hope this discourse helps you understand that liberal is not, according to your view, a mental disorder. I can also suggest that you won’t find liberalism defined in the official publication of mental disorders, The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
JC in Powder Springs
August 7th, 2009
3:44 pm
We already have a toll tunnel under Atlanta – it’s called MARTA. It’s (almost) never stuck in traffic!
Why would DOT want a traffic tunnel under ATL? They don’t have enough money to mow the fricking highway medians now! Where are they going to come up with billions for a tunnel? They’d have to quadruple the gas tax. Wooten’s World – featherbrained answers for complex, expensive problems.