Good news in the ‘clunker’ giveaway

Let’s see how this works:  The federal government  switches on the printing press to crank out $1 billion which is then given to individuals to buy cars preferred by the government from companies owned by the government, obligating those too young to drive, as well as the unborn, to pay off the printing press dollars. 

it’s a very popular program and, of course, politicians in power wish to continue it, doubling it to $2 billion by shifting printing-press dollars from a “renewable energy” loan program. While a number of Republicans oppose the Cash for Clunkers giveaway, Democrats can pass it at will.  If they come up a little shy on the vote count, Maine’s two Republicans, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe, are always ready to cross the aisle.

The encouraging news in the clunkers deal, as far as I’m concerned, is that the leading replacement vehicle, according to Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood is the Ford Focus, a vehicle produced by a private-sector automobile company.  Ford reports that  its July sales were up 2.4 percent over the same month in 2008, the first year-over-year sales increase in 19 months. 

Even though it is a $3,500-to-$4,500 per car taxpayer subsidy and it does amount to corporate welfare and it does come at the expense of the quality of life of chilldren unborn, the kernel of good news is that all of the money is not going into the coffers of government car companies.  Ford’s free-enterprise engineers and designers have brought forth a car that people want, just as they all used to do — well, maybe not American Motors — before government took over the industry.

It is printing-press money and the deficit this year will be at least $1.8 trillion and it is stealing from the future for current consumption, but all that said, it’s better to spend the billions on clunker deals than to throw it away on pork projects as much of the $787 billion “stimulus” does.

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arnold

August 4th, 2009
4:49 am

This is a program that is truly stimulating the economy. You complain? Get a life.

My grandfather, who was an immigrant, use to tell me, “No one owes you a living. No one owes you anything. However, there will always be those less fortunate than yourself. Don’t forget them”.

This program does help those in more need than some and it helps the economy grow. You should get a bit of growth in your thinking.

Curious Observer

August 4th, 2009
7:31 am

We must get rid of the clunker program immediately. It’s the only stimulus program that has worked, and we simply can’t have that.

benman

August 4th, 2009
7:54 am

Again..Jim…ever had an opinion Sean Hannity didn’t give you? One of your posterboys, Lindsey Graham supports it.

benman

August 4th, 2009
7:57 am

p.s.: What’s the difference between this and the tax credit on buying a home? In both, the consumer gets money to buy something in the private sector. You were all for that one. Oh yeah, a Republican proposed that give-a-way.

El Jefe

August 4th, 2009
8:49 am

Let me see now. I can trade my ‘89 land boat, that all the kids can get in and trade it for a micro-mini car. The land boat is big and heavy and offers some protection from the Atlanta drivers from ITP.

So, I should trade my paid for 14 MPG car for a 35mpg car plus the car note.

I see, the UAW gets to work and I get the bill.

According to Edmunds.com, about 200,000 old low mileage cars would normally be traded in, every 3 months, in exchange for more efficient higher mileage cars, without this program.

The highest rebate is $4,500, and the lowest is $3,500. If everyone qualified for $4,500 per vehicle, about 222,000 vehicles would have just taken advantage of the government’s money. At $3,500, 286,000 vehicles will have been sold.(source: http://seekingalpha.com/article/152909-cash-for-clunkers-may-cost-up-to-45-354-per-vehicle)

According to the article, if all qualified for the $4,500 rebate, it would cost about $45,354 per car – for each car over and above the expected trade-ins. I like their accounting at the Fedral level.

So far, the score is 0 government stimulus plans working, and we all will pay the bill.

El Jefe

August 4th, 2009
8:52 am

benman,

A car is a 5 – 7 year investment and looses value the second you drive it off the lot, a house is 15-30 years and usually appreciates in value.

shotgun

August 4th, 2009
8:54 am

THE END IS NEAR.

righty

August 4th, 2009
8:55 am

The point Jim is trying to make here is that the best-selling car under this program comes from the company that actually had the guts to stick it out in the marketplace without running to big brother for billions. Ford should be applauded for going at it on their own.
Yes this is a part of the “economic stimulus” (and is a lot more useful than an airport to nowhere in Murtha’s district or hundreds of millions to “erotic artists” out in California), but it is part of this new wave of overspending that will have the next three generations repaying it. The best solution is to let the program end (after all, it ran out of money after a week because of government mismanagement) as well as others under the “stimulus”.

Get Real

August 4th, 2009
9:00 am

Poor Wooten, out of his mind and out of touch. Did you not read yesterday in the USA Today that the ’stimulus’ money has “offset the huge loss sales and property tax revenue.” The flood of federal money lifted total revenues by 7.5%, overcoming an 8% drop in tax collections. Again I ask, what would a tax cut do for people with no job or income? Republicans had their way at it and gave tax cuts to the rich in 2001 and 2003, where is the job creation that should’ve come from this? Where was your concern about the little ones when Bush spent all that unfunded money on two wars, tax cuts, and Medicare Part D? Were those paid for in any of the many budgets Bush proposed? You’re showing your hypocrisy.

As far as the cash for clunkers, its selling cars and helping bring revenue to local economies through tax revenue. If it is enough to entice buyers to get loans and begin repaying them so banks can issue more loans, I’m all for it. Just one way to get the economy back on track and the money being spent will be repaid over in interest to banks.

Peadawg

August 4th, 2009
9:07 am

“No one owes you a living. No one owes you anything.”

We should all take this advice when it comes to Obamacare. Health care isn’t a right.

Do the Math

August 4th, 2009
9:08 am

Its really too bad the Focus is made in Mexico.

El Jefe

August 4th, 2009
9:15 am

Let me help out those in mid town – the Federal Government produces no product to generate money. It has nothing to sell.

The only form of income for the government is taxes, fees, duties and other liens against products or income.

If 10% of the work force is out of work, then there is a drop in taxes paid to the Feds.
If there is no incentive for businesses to hire, there will be no new jobs.
If there is an extra tax or fee assessed on business (health care for example) then no new jobs can be added and some many be eliminated.
The sole provider of non-government jobs is private business, yes, the big greedy corporate fat cats that run the local auto repair shop or that trendy art gallery in mid town. Small business generates the majority of new jobs.

So lets make it real hard for the mom and pop stores to stay in business. Lets raise their taxes, force them to provide health care or pay the extra tax for not providing it.
Lets make sure we can squeeze all their profits so they can’t expand or add new workers to their payroll.

Speaking of Health Care, it would be cheaper to just pay the premiums for those on welfare and up to 200% of poverty level, than establish a vast new governement department to manage healthcare for everyone.

Stan

August 4th, 2009
9:24 am

For me this is an issue of the Gov being good stewards of our tax dollars. What they are doing with this program is basically they are buying used cars, that are typically worth between $500 and $4000. Then they are having their agents (the dealers) destroy the engines and have the cars shredded or crushed.

Why not just write the dealers checks or simply cut out all middle men and put the cash in the shredder?

clyde

August 4th, 2009
9:25 am

The bad news is that my Taurus doesn’t qualify and the good news is that I don’t care for the Focus.I tried one and it didn’t do much for me.I am glad to see Ford getting some of the business.They should get it all.Government Motors shouldn’t be in the ruunning.Maybe Susan and Olympia will do their part to bolster Ford sales.

Here’s a little perspective for you all.One million seconds is equal to 12 days.One billion seconds is equal to about 31 years.One trillion seconds is equal to 31,000 years.The deficit is 58,500 years.How you like them apples?

Jim and I would like to help pay it off but we’re too old to count.And we’re not working.As part of my retirement funds come from the government,maybe I should use some of that government money to finance a new Ford.Seems fitting to me.

jt

August 4th, 2009
9:28 am

Unfortunantly Ford IS taking alot of tax-payer money.
With this type of Goverment influence, it won’t be long until they too are nothing more than a tax-payer sponge.

The AP reports, “A congressional official says the Energy Department is lending $5.9 billion to Ford Motor Co. and providing about $2.1 billion in loans to Nissan Motor Co. and Tesla Motors Inc. from a $25 billion fund to develop fuel-efficient vehicles.”

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/daily-news/090624-Ford-Nissan-Tesla-Win-Government-Aid-to-Build-Efficient-Cars/

Jackie

August 4th, 2009
9:29 am

Those that do not believe the economic stimulus is working, fail to acknowledge the economy has stopped its free-fall.

There are overwhelming signs the economy is getting much better and the stimulus dollars put into the economy has even saved many states from having to declare bankruptcy, i.e., Georgia.

Many of the critics are making an argument similar to that of throwing a rock, breaking the window and loudly proclaiming, “I didn’t do that.”

yeah right

August 4th, 2009
9:30 am

And the kenyan marxist socialist slides our democracy closer to extinction.

El Jefe

August 4th, 2009
9:34 am

yeah right,

Isn’t Marxist socialist redundant? Or is it to separate him from the Stalinist socialist. I always thought he would have liked Uncle Joe (as FDR called him)

Get Real

August 4th, 2009
9:35 am

People like Clyde rail against the deficit while happily drawing social security. Since I’m currently paying for you and Wooten’s retirement, how about you either return it back to the government or be quiet, as I probably won’t be able to receive SSI benefits upon my leaving the workforce. You are literally part of the problem, and at the same time talking about how bad it is. Do you part and just give the money back.

Sam

August 4th, 2009
9:44 am

Y’all listen to Jackie. It appears to be an economist and really knows what its talking about. Afterall, the signs are “overwhelming”. They’re just all over the place. FDR must be jacking off in his grave. And Cheney said deficits don’t matter and he should know – just like Jackie does. Everything will be hunky dory now. The government saved us from Communism and Muslims, they’ll save us from this. That’s what there here for – to save us from ourselves because they know and we don’t. Now forfeit your earnings and go die in a war somewhere and save us some more.

yeah right

August 4th, 2009
10:00 am

Aren’t you late for work, get real? You do not have the intelligence to know what to do with your money. Our great and glorious leader obama will spend your money for you. Now be quiet and get back to work.

clyde

August 4th, 2009
10:23 am

Get Real,
I can’t speak for Jim, but I’m going to draw ’til I die,then my bride of lesser moons will draw part of it ,along with her’s,so we need you to continue to slog off to the salt mines and contribute to our daliances.See,that’s what we did.My father is trundling along rather strongly,still, and getting government funds every month.He,like I, worked all his life too.Unfortunately,as you say,it may all come to an end before you get a chance at your’s.I’d like to get at least twenty years out of it if I could.Father’s going on his 25th year as of 3 July.

Jim and I and Father will continue to rale against the deficit though,to help you out.

Churchill's MOM

August 4th, 2009
10:30 am

Jim did you pick this Wingfield to take your place? If so you probably picked the only writer who could make you look like a Conservative not a Republican. That boy is a RINO for sure, He is even a coward like Saxby because he won’t take comments, only the AJC would allow this loser in their liberal paper.

Hillbilly Deluxe

August 4th, 2009
10:32 am

The people buying cars are the people who could already afford new cars. Those who couldn’t afford a new car still can”t afford one under this program. It is helping car sales and keeping some people working but it’s not going to help any poor person buy a car. The fact that cars traded in have to be rendered inoperable also reduces the pool of used cars and drives up their price.

Will

August 4th, 2009
10:36 am

Republican newspaper writers and radio/tv entertainers are a hoot!

They preach “trickle down” economics and now comes along one of the few economic policies that is not only stimulating the economy, its benefits go far beyond the automobile industry. For example, the purchase of cars stimulated by turning in “clunkers” is providing a significant economic shot in the arm to businesses that dispose of these clunkers. People who are purchasing these more cost effective new cars are adding to their discretionary income that will hopefully result in spending elsewhere.

And the republicans? They are so afraid of supporting anything that may be seen as helping President Obama, they are more than willing to economically hurt the little man.

Please!!

August 4th, 2009
10:37 am

You know both side can whine all they want, but the facts are that our country was setup at the time by some of the most intelligent men this world has ever seen. And if any of them were alive today, they would cringe. America was setup to be a Republic, with a small Federal government that would not infringe on the rights of its citizens. People you need to wake up. This money just doesn’t appear. It’s not free, and we will all have to pay for it in the end. Most of you commenting on this probably don’t even remember the Carter years, and what it took to overcome that disaster.

It is not the Federal government’s job to bail out companies. If they fail they fail. It will create a hole in the market and some intelligent man or woman will come in and fill that void. You can’t prevent companies from failing; it is the natural order of things.

Please educate yourself and read the Federalist papers by our founding fathers. America needs to go back to these principles. If not, the writing is on the wall, India and China will become the new world powers and America will be a footnote in history.

Jackie

August 4th, 2009
10:46 am

The definition of an investment is:
“investing: the act of investing; laying out money or capital in an enterprise with the expectation of profit”
“money that is invested with an expectation of profit”

Given the above, transportation vehicles are not investments, rather they are purchases of a asset that will appreciate significantly.

b6542

August 4th, 2009
10:52 am

I’d rather my tax money go to buy more F-22’s than a freebie giveaway for clunker stimulation. Use your EIT “refund” to replace your clunker !

Vampire Bill

August 4th, 2009
10:56 am

Why crush the old cars?

If the government really wanted the program to be successful why not send these cars to federal offices or job sites? Since Uncle Sam already paid up to $4500 per car why wouldn’t we use them?

If the government doesn’t want these cars why not auction them? How about a “low cost” alternative for people struggling in this economy?

Dumb program. Dumb Congress. Dumb Sheeple.

Excuse me while I get back to work.

Paul A

August 4th, 2009
10:59 am

The blogs are so dull this week.

Anybody wanna yell and scream about Mike Vick?

PS,
The comment about this Wingfield wingnut is right on. I think he’s chicken.

Sherl

August 4th, 2009
11:07 am

Jim,was it printing money in Bush’s 2003 stimulus program when qualified purchasers of SUV’s and trucks were given up to $25,000 in tax credits. It was suppose to be a program for farmers, but the people I knew who used that tax credit were not farmers. I know one person who got 2 new SUV’s free with that program.

Mike "Hussein" Smith

August 4th, 2009
11:11 am

Was it a “pork” project when the stimulus program cut my taxes? I’m not a fat-cat Republican, just a retiree on a fixed income who greatly appreciates the extra bucks.

ATL

August 4th, 2009
11:27 am

I thought this guy was retiring… please…

cep

August 4th, 2009
11:33 am

This is a true wealth destruction mechanism. Let’s assume that each of those cars destroyed was worth, say, 1k. Some are worth less, some will be worth more. Here we have a tangible asset, with real value that can be used by someone to drive to work, or in the least case, for parts. The government takes that real, tangible item, and destroys it. That value is now evaporated, replaced by an IOU to the Chinese plus interest. In a normal transaction, that tangible asset would remain in circulation. This waste disgusts me.

Th

August 4th, 2009
11:40 am

Let’s cut government spending and balance the budget in the middle of a recession, it worked great for Hoover and that 25% unemployment that resulted by 1932 was just one of the hardships that resulted from Republicans nonsense.

El Jefe, you may think you are the boss but you don’t know squat about business. I ran a small business for 20 years and some years I made less than 100,000 and some years I broke 1 million. I never hired or fired anyone based on my income but on how many people it took to handle our business. Rich people don’t create jobs, customers do. If rich people created jobs, 1000’s of people would be working for Pets.com right now instead of none. Demand creates jobs.

And on the health care reform, according to the Lewin Group study, you could save $2500 per employee per year if congress lets you switch your insurance from a private carrier to one of the public options. They won’t let you though because they have to protect the insurance companies and their generous donations to politicians. Only individual contractors, the unemployed and people not covered by their employer are eligible to buy the public plan.

F22 Guy

August 4th, 2009
11:58 am

b6542

August 4th, 2009
10:52 am

Right on, we need to support our local union. Saxby sure put it to the working man by mis handling the F22.

Scooter

August 4th, 2009
12:02 pm

Hillbilly, your 10:32 is spot on! That money did not help anyone that really needed help.

Patriot

August 4th, 2009
12:10 pm

Hey Wooten, This cash for clunkers program is working on clearing out old inventory for the local car dealers, allowing tehm to purchase the new models that are going to be heading for the showrooms. Only someone who is so heavily tainted by a partisan ideology, such as yourself, can find fault in this program that is benefiting the economy.

Patriot

August 4th, 2009
12:28 pm

How long ago was it when folks on this blog were demanding a bailout of their own so they could buy a new car or some such comsumer goog as that?
Now that Congress and Obama provided an avenue for y’all to get “your own bailout” all y’all are doing is crying about the national debt. They last guy who held the office ran up a tab of nearly $11 trillion on a whole waft of things that had no real effect on me, other than to present a tax bill that my great grand children are gong to have to deal with.

When the so-called Marxist runs the national debt up to the $20 trillion range then we all can start crying. Until then try to hold your tounges!

George American

August 4th, 2009
12:31 pm

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George American

August 4th, 2009
12:34 pm

and it does come at the expense of the quality of life of chilldren unborn

what does this issue have to do with abortion?

Brad Steel

August 4th, 2009
12:36 pm

one billion dollars? wow!

too bad we can’t bet back the billions upon billions wasted on the f-22 or the war in iraq.

Mother Faulkner

August 4th, 2009
12:56 pm

Hi everyone! What did I miss?

A Storm's A Brewin'

August 4th, 2009
12:58 pm

“I thought this guy was retiring… please…”

So who’s forcing you to come on here and read Wooten, ATL? Moron.

So anyway, you mean to tell me that the federal government has a problem running something as simpleton like a used car trade in plan? And what kind of idiots out there want the federal government to take over health care again? Oh yeah, mindless Obamabot libtards. Yep, the same ones now bedwetting and crying “hate” and “racism” over a Heath Ledger Joker imitation of The Teleprompter In Chief; the same ones who cheered when the same thing was done to Bush.

And speaking of TOTUS, it appears the White House is having a little issue with Drudge right now over what was said about a single payer health care system (for you mindless Obamabot libtards, that means socialized government-run health care):

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-in-03-id-like-to-see-a-single-payer-health-care-plan/

Sayeth the White House in response:

‘The White House on Tuesday posted a three-minute video punching back at an old clip of President Barack Obama that was featured on the Drudge Report with the headline “Uncovered Video: Obama Explains How His Health Care Plan Will ‘Eliminate’ Private Insurance.” The White House response features Linda Douglass, formerly an ABC News correspondent and now a White House official, showing Drudge’s homepage on the screen of her office computer. Dan Pfeiffer, the White House deputy communications director, said: “We intend to use a lot of the grassroots viral Internet techniques from the campaign to beat back the campaign of misstatements and outright falsehoods about the president’s efforts to reform health insurance.”

Funny how these people don’t like facts and history much when it doesn’t serve their current agenda. They know that the majority of Americans REJECT any government takeover of health care, and now the TOTUS administration is attempting to backpedal and do the typical “that’s not what I meant” retort. Sorry, no $ale. But you have to remember, this is the same administration that feels the need to go run around the nation in so-called town hall meetings and bash Bush instead of address reality for Americans – like why these fascists are going to RAISE TAXES on most people who pay them – rich OR middle class – of course the top 1% of income earners paying nearly 40% of all income taxes is DEFINITELY still not enough. You sure won’t be seeing the Democrat Media like CNN be reporting about that. They’d rather just bash Fox News for their mindless minion sheeplecrat bobbleheaded Demonrat followers.

These are also the same group of mindless mouth breathers who want to pass that Cap & Trade BS and who honestly believe raising taxes on companies will keep jobs here, let alone create them. Sometimes you just have to really wonder what kind of brain it takes to be a liberal Demonrat.

“US companies are increasingly turning to offshoring their functions to achieve cost savings, and few plan to bring those jobs back to the United States, the Conference Board said Monday. The number of US companies with a corporate offshoring strategy in place more than doubled in the past three years, according to the fifth annual report on offshoring trends, published by Duke University in collaboration with the Conference Board. Of the companies surveyed, 53 percent had a corporate offshoring strategy in place, up from 22 percent in 2005, said the Conference Board, a nonprofit business research organization. “Sixty percent of companies that had already offshored say they have aggressive plans to expand existing activities, and very few plan to relocate activities back to the United States,” it said.

Send them all overseas for all I care. The morons on the left hate greedy capitalist corporate America anyway and love government run everything. Let them bedwet when there are NO jobs to be found.

WONDER

August 4th, 2009
1:00 pm

In 1994 I bought a Honda that still gets 27 mpg and now has 180,000 miles on it. Yet, I’m told it is NOT a cluncker. I did the “right” thing for the enviroment in 1994. Others did the “wrong” thing by buying 15 mpg vehicles, yet they get rewarded $4500. What am I missing here?

A Storm's A Brewin'

August 4th, 2009
1:01 pm

More blog stupidity:

“Right on, we need to support our local union. Saxby sure put it to the working man by mis handling the F22.” —F22 man

So the fact that the White House killed any immediate future production of the F-22, and the fact that Sec. Of Defense Robert Gates made that recommendation is Saxby’s fault. Oh sure THAT makes sense, knuckle dragger. I’ll bet you are of the same ilk that blamed Bush on New Orleans not being evacuated.

Chipster

August 4th, 2009
1:04 pm

…..In 1994 I bought a Honda that still gets 27 mpg and now has 180,000 miles on it. Yet, I’m told it is NOT a cluncker. I did the “right” thing for the enviroment in 1994. Others did the “wrong” thing by buying 15 mpg vehicles, yet they get rewarded $4500. What am I missing here?…..

If you had done your research, you’d have figured out what EPA averages mean to the program.

Get Real

August 4th, 2009
1:11 pm

Someone named yeah right (part of which isn’t even a word except in the real America) telling me I’m not intelligent. Enough said.

ha ha

August 4th, 2009
1:18 pm

Wonder you are missing about 4500$

Get Real

August 4th, 2009
1:19 pm

A storm is brewin, obviously the plan is working since the funds allocated for it are depleted. People such as yourself with long-term memory loss seem to forget how much money was borrowed and spent during the last administration. Now you so-called Patriots are worrying about spending. Could’ve used you in 2003, moron.

ha ha

August 4th, 2009
1:19 pm

Get real sucks at internet. Comrade obama says get back to work.

Please!!

August 4th, 2009
1:22 pm

*George American, the reference is to our children who have not been born yet will have to pay this debt. It has nothing to do with abortion. Our country is trillions of dollars in debt and our children and their children will pay for his folly.

Not a storm, but a puddle

August 4th, 2009
1:23 pm

Stormin Norman, I myself don’t blame Bush for not evacuating New Orleans. I do blame him for not having his priorities in order. He can send troops to Indonesia 24 hours after the tsunami, but takes a week to get those same troops to taxpaying citizens of this country. You would feel the same way if a ’storm’ hit your double-wide.

Get Real

August 4th, 2009
1:23 pm

ha ha sucks a complete sentences. W. says get a new strategery.

ha ha

August 4th, 2009
1:28 pm

Get real is obviously another unemployed libtard. Notice how none of them ever work? Or finished school? Lame syntax is sad. So is an unemployed libtard with a dull personality and crummy syntax.

HOHO

August 4th, 2009
1:34 pm

Doesn’t the $4500 reward those for the extra gas and polution they created ?

THE TRUTH

August 4th, 2009
1:39 pm

Hey Wooten,

You and the other fossils at the Grand OLD Party need to join the 21st century. Until then, keep telling the LIES… we just won’t fall for them this time. Enjoy your party’s decline into irrelevance…

THE TRUTH

August 4th, 2009
1:46 pm

With the cost of these BOGUS WARS in Iraq and Afghanistan (that helped to LINE DICK CHENEY’S POCKETS @ his parent company Halliburton) and their NO BID CONTRACTS, the USA could have paid for healthcare for all,free college tuition AND ALOT FREAKING MORE!! Thanks ALOT republitards for the pile of SH!T you left the USA in!! Now, all you have to offer is criticism. YOU REPUBLICANS CAUSED THIS MESS!!!!
Now go sit in the corner and POUT while the grown-ups clean up your mess! And no back talk, either you snot-nosed, whiney puscatores!!
Or you’ll get that a$$ spanked!!

dave

August 4th, 2009
1:48 pm

arnold – I know you’re not going to get this, but your grandfather was talking about YOU helping them NOT the government. There is a big difference.

Base

August 4th, 2009
1:48 pm

Jiffy Jim what kind of car do you drive? Maybe you need a new smaller car or is yours an AJC lease?

dave

August 4th, 2009
1:50 pm

Get Real – “Again I ask, what would a tax cut do for people with no job or income?” It would stimulate spending on stuff that people want, ergo it would create jobs for people who are unemployed. This isn’t rocket science.

sharecropper

August 4th, 2009
2:03 pm

Wooten, you remain unbelievable. Something works, you say it is a failure. What has happened to the integrity of you wingnuts? The intellectual honesty we once came to expect under Goldwater has been washed away by the likes of you and Gingrich, et al. You are sick puppies.

THE TRUTH

August 4th, 2009
2:26 pm

If tax cuts created so many jobs and were so good for the economy then we would have been in good shape when Bush left office. HELLO??!!??
It’s not rocket science! You and your irrelevant pity party left the US economy in SHAMBLES… Now go back to your corner and let the adults handle things. Your party’s FAILED experiment with VOODOO economics is over!!!

get real

August 4th, 2009
3:01 pm

Dusty

August 4th, 2009
3:02 pm

Well, a very senible commentary by Bookman. Let’s hope this trend continues.

Meanwhile, maybe all the libs that go to Wooten’s every day with personal insults and namecalling should come here for a change. Maybe “common sense” here will upset them just as much as it does at Wooten’s.

So,…. Bookman,if you promise to do this “good thing” again maybe we can all chip in and pay for your next year’s fishing license. It might be worth it.

Rockerbabe

August 4th, 2009
3:04 pm

The Cash for Klunkers Program appears to be popular and is taking a lot of old fuel inefficient cars off the road, thereby reducing oil consumption, stimulating the economy and helping improve tax revenue for local governments. The program is working [for the average citizen and taxpayer]! Maybe that is the reason the GOP doesn’t like it; it doesn’t add to THEIR bottom line directly.

Mr. Wooten speaks of the unborn and their burdens in the future. . .what a crock of sh*t! We can’t take care of the people already here and he’s worried about the unborn? How short-shighted; the women of this country will take care of the future generation and mostly without YOUR help as you believe in only providing for the next generation until it is born.

Where were you and the rest of the GOP when Dubya took us to a totally unnecessary war on a lie? And, where were you when he and the GOP refused to pay for the war by reducing government programs and shifting the funding to the war-effort or raising taxes? NOWHERE, that is were you many of you conservatives were and NOW your are complaining about the deficit? You love war, but don’t fight in the war and your children don’t fight in the wars either and I’ll bet, few if any from Wall Street fought in the war – nope, you all stayed home, went to the mall, made and spent your money and let “the other guy” do your fighting for you. How cowardly. Now you complain about a program designed to stimulate an economy the conservatives and their greedy bast*%ds wrecked. Retire. . your are hopelessly out of touch with the real world.

Pablo

August 4th, 2009
3:05 pm

Not to cloud the issue with facts, but in response to “Do the Math” earlier today, the Ford Focus is assembled not in Mexico but in Wayne, Michigan. The engine is from Dearborn, Michigan.

Dusty

August 4th, 2009
3:09 pm

Awww, Jim, ….:roll:

I’m addressing Bookman, but thinking of you.

But for some of the posters here (those known as liberals), “If the shoe fits, wear it.”

Get Real

August 4th, 2009
3:14 pm

@ ha ha, Morehouse College graduate, JD from DePaul University ‘10.

@ Dave, if that was the case that tax cuts stimulate the economy and leads to job creation, where are the jobs from the Bush tax cuts?

WBK

August 4th, 2009
3:28 pm

I need a new roof!!!

Mother Faulkner

August 4th, 2009
3:39 pm

I hate to burst your respective bubbles, but I don’t think Mr. Wooten reads these comments!

Mother Faulkner

August 4th, 2009
3:40 pm

In fact, he probably doesn’t even write the blog: I’m sure some intern at the paper does that for him.

????????????????

August 4th, 2009
3:52 pm

What did Wooten say about Bush’s TARP? The taxpayer ripoff that both of our Senators voted for.

Do the Math

August 4th, 2009
3:57 pm

Pablo:
My bad, thanks for catching my mistake.

deegee

August 4th, 2009
4:02 pm

If you consider that a new car loses about $3,500.00 in value the minute you drive it off the lot then the car buyers are about even on the deal. My 1997 Volvo sedan gets 19 average MPG so it just missed the threshold. I would have considered trading it in for a good used vehicle but I wouldn’t consider trading it in for a new vehicle. About six months after this feeding frenzy is over I will probably be able to pick up a barely used vehicle that someone bought during a greedy impulse and soon realized that they can’t afford.

Dan

August 4th, 2009
4:09 pm

So how many of these new cars are going to be repo’ed when people who have a perfectly good paid-for car do the trade anyway when they really can’t afford a car payment. Wonder if we’ll ever hear that stat?

deegee

August 4th, 2009
4:10 pm

Watch the auctions, Dan.

Jake

August 4th, 2009
4:29 pm

The traitor Reagan ran what were the largest deficits at the time about 25 years ago. Can anyone tell me how the next generation, people that are now say 25-40, have paid for any of that deficit spending?

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 4th, 2009
4:32 pm

Mr. Wooten doesn’t understand the essense of the real Cash for Clunkers program. It’s dynamics are these: Republitard phony family values hypocrit, phony religious hypocrit wants new more energy efficient woman. He often lives or has lived in a tax dodging nutcase place free called the C Street House which is reminiscent of a frat house on bad acid.

They go shopping for new more energetic woman and trade in old battleaxe Republitard wife for new model. They drive new model for a while, then get mommy and daddy to pay off new model 100 grand and get jobs for new model’s family. Sometimes the former dealers of the new model threaten to blackmail the Republitard Senator or Governor, or they disappear to testdrive the new model using state funds which they steal. While any citizen who steals a pack of cigarettes would be buried in a filthy county jail, often if in Georgia with no counsel available in defiance of federal law, the Governor merrily steals the money and says whoops I’ll give it back after the run to drive the new car and ah loves muh clunker yes ah do even if there is no energy and no sex.

Ah wants to know why people is attackin or is it attakun them sofisticAted Birthers. So what that their counterfit Kenya Birth Certificate is full of moron historical errors. Rep[ublitards ain’t never been much for school anyway goshdarnit.

Sounds like ole Sarah the tranny has been in on the cash for clunkers program. Free M&M’s for the first pubbytard who can name the strangers dippin into ole Sarah’s moosebin.

Meanwhile Bill Clinton rescued the two journalists and just say no cause we be stoopid pubbytards claimed as usual he was gotiatin with terrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrisssssssssssssttttttttsssssss. Don’t spit on nobody boys and girls, like.

Clinton didn’t pay them nothin, and secret deals brought him planes and 200 million that the Clintons lied and said they’d reveal and never did, but right now since Bush had no intelligence, Clinton is the last agent who can report to the CIA about wtf is goin’ on over theah in NK.

Pubtardss say just say No to health care until what…

Here’s what I’ve seen for real–Pubtard wife gets infiltrating ductal CA needs mastectomy and their insurance company done cut ‘em off–then they want a public option.

Pubtard little boy has tragic illnesss–insurance company cut’s em off and says screw the little boy–pubtards want a public option.

Pubtard has 4 cancers like moron McCain–insurance company refuses radical neck procedure which McSame the loser got. Then pubbytards wants the public option.

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 4th, 2009
4:52 pm

All the moron disrupters at Town Halls are accomplishing is that the politicians they disrupt will vote for a public option–and like whackjobs that need medication, they will get their medication.

Algonquin J. Calhoun

August 4th, 2009
5:06 pm

I don’t remember you complaining while Bush was spending a billion a week in Iraq! Is the problem that this program is helping, rather than killing, people?

deegee

August 4th, 2009
5:30 pm

Anyone want to speculate on whether or not our employers will start dropping health insurance coverage for spouses and dependents if health care reform dies? It’s not like they won’t have a good excuse. After all, the economy sux, and we have all agreed that the cost of health care is a trillion dollar burden that comes out of somebody’s pocket…

Bill

August 4th, 2009
5:41 pm

Congress has really delivered a real clunker – outrageous ! My grandkids will pay !

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 4th, 2009
5:43 pm

Your grandkids get sick with ai cancer and the insurance companies will dump them like hot lead.

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 4th, 2009
5:44 pm

You get sick Bill, and your insurance company will dump you in the dirt to die.

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 4th, 2009
5:53 pm

Bring the protestors out to disrupt Obama and they’ll be facing a federal trial.

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 4th, 2009
6:14 pm

Get on a Wooten nutcase bus to shout down information exchange– make a fool out of your party. You can do it. Join the whackjobs and keep trying to disrupt the town hills. It’s already backfiring. Cheer for the insurance companies that will drop you like hot dog sh_t if you get sick.

Pablo

August 4th, 2009
6:14 pm

For Do the Math: Sorry to be nit-picker, I just happen to have a Focus. Your point is well taken, because the Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan, also big sellers under the program, are assembled in Hermosillo, Mexico, with engines from either Chihuahua or Cleveland.

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 4th, 2009
6:32 pm

Deegee be all confused with organic brain syndrome. The Dow has hit its highest point; the economy was put in the ICU by the Bush morons, and inly six months the Dow is rallying to the hightest point in over a year, the GPO shows marked improvement after you Republitards drove it to the brink of a depression, and like a very traumatized patient, it’s goingt to take us months more to improve employment that you numbnuts drove into the ground. In spite of your stupidity, deegee, we will get the patient well.

Can’t any of you republitards read a f_ckin’ stock page? Wow. Even the republitard WSJ admits Obama has rallied the Dow and the S&P. How did all of you get so effing illiterate. Is their a republitard ignorance gene? And so effing racially intolerant. Those people at the protests are some of the homeliest looking imbeciles I’ve seen in a lifetime.

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 4th, 2009
6:37 pm

Judge Shoob kicks Bush SEC in the nuts.

federal judge in Atlanta has sharply criticized the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission for what he described as a seven-year “relentless pursuit” of a Tennessee businessman and his lawyer partner while “studiously ignoring Bernard Madoff and the largest Ponzi scheme in American history.”

In an order handed down July 28, U.S. District Senior Judge Marvin H. Shoob rejected the SEC’s attempt to collect more than $10 million in fines and penalties from Steven C. Wyer, Tennessee attorney Kurt V. Beasley and their defunct capital investment company, Merchant Capital LLC.

Instead, Shoob limited the SEC’s request to fines of $6,000 for Wyer, $2,000 for Beasley, and $50,000 for Merchant Capital for unintentional violations of federal securities laws that Shoob has repeatedly said did not warrant the zeal that SEC attorneys in Atlanta have devoted to the case.

The SEC has not decided whether to appeal Shoob’s order to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, but it could find a sympathetic audience there. The 11th Circuit twice has backed the SEC on appeal and remanded the case to Shoob.

This time, Shoob’s order contrasted SEC actions against Wyer, Beasley and their company against the agency’s inaction in the face of complaints about New York financier Bernard Madoff. On June 29, Madoff was sentenced to a 150-year prison term after he pleaded guilty to defrauding investors of nearly $65 billion since 1991. for decades.

“Unlike the investors who trusted their life savings to Mr. Madoff, those who purchased interests in the partnerships at issue here were fully informed of the substantial risks involved, including the possibility that they might lose their entire capital contribution,” the judge wrote in the 29-page order. “And unlike Mr. Madoff’s Ponzi scheme, the partnerships at issue in this case were based on a reasonable business model and were operated as viable businesses that had the potential to earn a profit.”

Shoob also found that, “Even though the partnerships turned out not to be profitable, the partners still recovered two-thirds of the money they had invested, and only one out of nearly 500 expressed any dissatisfaction about the partnerships’ performance. Nevertheless, after nearly seven years of litigation and the expenditure of untold resources that could have been better spent pursuing crooks like Mr. Madoff, the SEC is back before this Court demanding a permanent injunction as well as disgorgement, penalties, and interest in excess of $10 million.”

Calling those demands “overreaching,” Shoob concluded, “[T]he conduct of the SEC in this matter [is] much more egregious than the conduct of the defendants.”

Michael H. Smith

August 4th, 2009
6:51 pm

I do have to laugh, my last comment is awaiting moderation. After reading what is allowed to be posted by some people on this blog? :lol:

Fletch

August 4th, 2009
6:59 pm

You just have to laugh at some of these blog libpigs. Man what hate. The funniest is they won’t admit their wonderkid hero is screwing this nation up faster than Bush could have ever done in 8 years, let alone 8 MONTHS. Appointing crony czars who take away powers of cabinet officials; printing money to make up for the RECORD SPENDING IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES; raising taxes on everyone but the bottom 50% who don’t pay them; wanting to destroy 20% of this nation’s economy with LITTLE support from the PEOPLE of this nation and not even having 60 votes to do it and saying “we’re going to do it anyway.”

Nah, while Bush sucked, he had NOTHING on you libpig’s wretches running Washington. Know that much, jackalcrats.

Fletch

August 4th, 2009
7:04 pm

Oh and that reminds me…….these pathetic libpigs have complete power in Washington and still spewing hate about Bush and Conservatives on conservative blogs. Wouldn’t it just suck to be so full of anger and hate moreso for fellow Americans than for al Qaeda terrorists? I mean, that’s just got to be one miserable libpig dumocrap life. Sad, really. But America is waking up and is seeing these people for who they are: arrogant fascists who will stop at nothing to project their communist America destroying utopia down our throats. But fortunately, libpigs don’t make up the majority or even plurality of voters in this nation. Moderates do. Obamajoker ran as a moderate and is showing his true self and people don’t like it. It’s going to be fun watching them fail America and get the jackboot.

Fletch

August 4th, 2009
7:08 pm

‘A storm is brewin, obviously the plan is working since the funds allocated for it are depleted.’ –get real

GR: nobody is arguing about the SUCCESS of the program. It’s the government MISMANAGEMENT of it, dumbass.

Michael H. Smith

August 4th, 2009
7:15 pm

Do you think maybe the fascist socialist liberals became tired of agreeing with each other over on the Daily Kos and decided to spread the hate I mean, spread the message of their messiah, Obumer, onto Wooten’s blog?

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 4th, 2009
7:35 pm

Michael H. Smith is awaiting his 1021 hearing on Grady’s 13th floor.

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 4th, 2009
7:40 pm

This extreme violent behavior is being organized and funded by those at the highest levels of the conservative infrastructure. It’s not some sideline, some quirky hobby. It is the function and purpose of these organizations to threaten and intimidate elected officials in order to subvert the will of the electorate to a corporate agenda.

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 4th, 2009
8:00 pm

Clinton and the 2 journalists are wheels up.

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 4th, 2009
8:02 pm

Blackwater’s Eric Prince pending indictment for murder–nothing like a Christian Republitard zealot in prison.

Fletch

August 4th, 2009
8:28 pm

“This extreme violent behavior is being organized and funded by those at the highest levels of the conservative infrastructure. It’s not some sideline, some quirky hobby.”

Would you listen to that. The biggest hate pig on this blog pissing her pants over Conservative and even Moderate rejection of libpig policies. You better get used to it, hate libpig. Extreme violent behavior. LAUGHABLE! You candyasses can’t stand rejection of your fascist neocommunist libpig policies and like a bunch of pansies you are just call it hate speech and “extremely dangerous” thinking. You jackalcrat people are so gd pathetic it’s nauseating.

And Bill Clinton meeting with a man who disavows the UN and world is just – so Clinton – and Carter. At least he’s more in the news than his wife!

Fletch

August 4th, 2009
8:38 pm

On a final note, what kind of idiot thinks we can continue spending like we are under libpig policies and just print more money and tax our way out of things with no grave consequences? More jobs going overseas than ever, and the blog libpig dipsh!t thinks we are in the great times again.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.c1b0c9606e32be85cd66a2835fc895e2.9a1&show_article=1&catnum=1

DELUSIONAL. DELUSIONAL. DELUSIONAL.

Obama and Dumocraps on the defensive around this nation for Americans against communist health care is just priceless. Voter revolt folks – it’s coming. Know it. Prepare for it. And tell libpigs like the above blogger to go bedwet on it.

clyde

August 4th, 2009
8:40 pm

WSe now turn this blog over to the idiot and his imaginary friends.

Chris Salzmann

August 4th, 2009
8:51 pm

Fletch August 4th, 2009 8:28 pm SAID: Would you listen to that. The biggest hate pig on this blog pissing her pants over Conservative and even Moderate rejection of libpig policies. You better get used to it, hate libpig. Extreme violent behavior. LAUGHABLE! You candyasses can’t stand rejection of your fascist neocommunist libpig policies and like a bunch of pansies you are just call it hate speech and “extremely dangerous” thinking. You jackalcrat people are so gd pathetic it’s nauseating.

CHRIS SAYS: “Fascist Neocommunist??? You don’t have the intelligence to even know what the heck that means. ROFLMAO. The only douche bags who can’t stand rejection are people like you. Hey, I heard they found Obama’s “Kenyan” birth certificate!!! Unfortunately, it was people with the of IQ of maggots who forged it. What’s that poll? 40% of Republicans believe in this “Birther” nonsense?/? Now that speaks volumes of the level of intelligence left in the Republican party. LOL, all the intelligent folks left a while back and became Democrats or Independents. What should one expect of a party where INTELLECTUAL is a dirty word and where the likes of Sarah Palin are held up as role models?

All that’s left of the Republican Party is the sludge you see at these “organized” protests at town halls. Small minded and easily manipulated tools of the health care insurance companies pretty much describes the whole lot of them. It’s a show I should sell tickets to but then who wants to see a bunch of losers anyway???

Chris Salzmann

August 4th, 2009
8:54 pm

Fletch August 4th, 2009 8:38 pm SAID: On a final note, what kind of idiot thinks we can continue spending like we are under libpig policies and just print more money and tax our way out of things with no grave consequences?

CHRIS SAYS: Lets see, it took 8 years to get us in this mess and you’re complaining that we aren’t out of it after 6 months??? Don’t tell me, you’re home schooled, right?

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 4th, 2009
8:56 pm

We’re going to have to get more beds on 13 A and 13 B at Grady to hold the ignorant white bigot Fletch and his birthers.

And Clyde, you turned this blog over the minute you came here because you are too stupid to come up with one single idea focused on one single issue. You kvetch like an old lady.

Michael H. Smith

August 4th, 2009
8:59 pm

Good. Reserve your bed now brucie wilcox. On second thought, reserve the entire floor!

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 4th, 2009
9:01 pm

The great thing about the majority of comments here is that they are perfect biopsies in why we crush you every electiona and every Congressional vote. Stupidity causes you to lose time after time.

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 4th, 2009
9:04 pm

What happened during the Bush era, was Americans captured ended up holding their decapitated heads, and the North Koreans and the Iranians got a nuclear bomb and Russia lost track of loose nukes. Of course the pubtards are stupidly pissed off that Clinton and the US negotiated their freedom. Kim Jon thanks Bush for his nukes. Bush made it possible–the repubtard in chief.

Fletch

August 4th, 2009
9:05 pm

Chris: that Obama birth certificate issue was nonsense. Oh, and your Pelosi heroes have been running congress since 2007, RIGHT around the time things REALLY started going south in the economy, especially with people like Chris Dodd and Barney Frank saying that there was no mortgage crisis with Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac – ALL because it was the Bush administration that was warning them and their hatred of Bush overrode their rational thinking. Now GFY, libpig.

Charles Rangel has now spent a COOL MILLION on lawyer fees for this ethics violation. This is too good:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25743.html

Well, at least he’s not playing the race card.

Michael H. Smith

August 4th, 2009
9:10 pm

electiona? Yeah, stupidity causes you to lose time after time.

Fletch

August 4th, 2009
9:12 pm

Federal revenue income is plummeting under Obama, the dollar even more so, the deficit under Obama in his first 8 months has been more than Bush ever did in 8 years, and you libpigs think that you will continue to win elections at this rate.

DELUSIONAL. DELUSIONAL. DELUSIONAL.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/03/21/GR2009032100104.html

Naw, and you aren’t shutting us up either, hate pigs. ‘Nite, libpig pantywastes.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 4th, 2009
9:15 pm

Two chief Pubtard healthtcare arguments:’

1) They be killin’ older people.
2) They be forcin’ sex change operations and then we can’t trade in the old hag we’re married to as a clunker for a new young’n.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 4th, 2009
9:19 pm

The economy is showing definite signs of recovery but Fletch is way too dumb to read them. Linking to the Wapo 4 months ago.

You can’t make an intelligent argument yourself can ya Fletch?

Your imbeciles wrecked the economy over a period of 20 years and in 6 months you expect it to be all better. LOL

The Dow and the S& P are up higher than they were in the last 12 months of chickenhawk Bush.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 4th, 2009
9:22 pm

Have you pubtards hugged and sucked your health insurer today?

Michael H. Smith

August 4th, 2009
9:31 pm

Have you stopped sucking Obumer’s government teat today, Obrucie? He should have burped you, the tale-tale colic is so obvious. :lol:

Chris Salzmann

August 4th, 2009
9:49 pm

Fletch August 4th, 2009 9:05 pm SAID: Chris: that Obama birth certificate issue was nonsense. Oh, and your Pelosi heroes have been running congress since 2007, RIGHT around the time things REALLY started going south in the economy, especially with people like Chris Dodd and Barney Frank saying that there was no mortgage crisis with Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac – ALL because it was the Bush administration that was warning them and their hatred of Bush overrode their rational thinking. Now GFY, libpig.

CHRIS SAYS: You were doing very well till you descended into “GFY Libpig”. For those uninitiated in the world of texting, GFY is short for “GO F*CK YOURSELF”.

BTW, I’m not one of those who doesn’t think that everyone shares the blame for the mortgage crisis. I’m no fan of Nancy Pelosi either though she’s a sight better than Newt. BTW, is Newt still married or has he had his 3rd or 4th divorse yet???

Dude, how old are you, 10-12??? Because if this is an example of conservative discourse, you’re going to be in the wilderness for a long long time. Actually, just read a piece today about how the Republican Party is becoming older and more white while the Democratic Party is becoming younger and more diverse. Since this country is becoming more diverse as a whole, do the math. I assume you can do simple addition, right? In another generation or so, the only Republicans left will be those pushing up daisies or those sitting in God’s waiting room waiting to get to that point. So, what’s that saying about the inexorable finality of time?

One of our county’s great minds said something very profound once which so applies to you. He said that “It is better to keep one’s mouth shut and be thought of as an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt” (Mark Twain).

Good advice for you.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 4th, 2009
9:53 pm

The pubtards are children in adult bodies who have become severely mentaly ill. ateThey are marginalizedfools who think they can win elections with a few bussed in uggly 200 ;b/ overweight jackals who scream just like the pubtard children on this blog who will all die without seeing control of the House, Senate or West Wing as we rebuild this country thec loser schmucks and schmuckesses have wrecked.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 4th, 2009
10:30 pm

The industry’s biggest player, WellPoint, which operates Blue Cross plans in more than a dozen states and has 35 million members, may have the most to lose. Much of its profit come from selling coverage to individuals — the part of the system potentially subject to the greatest upheaval.

The other big insurers, including the UnitedHealth Group, Aetna and Cigna, rely more on offering group coverage through employers and have a smaller share of the individual market, and so may be more willing to go along with whatever Congress devises.

Ms. Ignagni, who is among the better-paid lobbyists, earning $1.6 million in 2007, insists there is no risk of a rift among insurers. The companies say that they came to their current position after significant discussion, in contrast to the early 1990s, and that despite the current tenor of the debate, they “intend to remain at the table,” said Ronald A. Williams, Aetna’s chief executive.

Some skeptics, including Wendell Potter, a former Cigna executive who has become a vocal critic of the industry for putting profits first, contend that insurers’ seeming consensus veils their opposition to real changes in the ways they do business.

Mr. Potter described Ms. Ignagni’s tactic of working with lawmakers as a “charm offensive.”

The proposal to create a government-run plan, which remains one of the main sources of division within Congress, could create the greatest rift among insurers.

If Congress and the president propose a government plan, and some insurers are willing to compromise, it could become “the first fracture in the coalition” of insurers, predicts Michael A. Turpin, a former senior executive for UnitedHealth and now a high-ranking official at USI Holdings, an insurance broker.

Michael H. Smith

August 4th, 2009
10:30 pm

The End Of Obama’s Honeymoon

“It started out like a song we knew we had a good thing going. And if I wanted too much, was that such a mistake?” President Obama’s answer to composer Stephen Sondheim’s question would be “yes,” were he not a president who rarely admits error.

We are six months into the Obama reign, and he surely did have a good thing going until very recently. He pushed through what voters thought was a stimulus bill. He held numerous press conferences at which an adoring media allowed him to display his rhetorical skills. No mumbling George W. Bush, he. He toured the world, to the applause of adoring masses from London to Paris to Cairo. He fulfilled a campaign promise to tackle perceived global warming and lead the world to a cooler, greener future by urging Congress to pass a cap-and-trade bill aimed at cutting CO2 emissions. He bailed out General Motors and Chrysler, rewarding the United Auto Workers for delivering key states to him in last year’s election.

Then he made the mistake about which Sondheim wrote and Sinatra sang — he wanted too much. He attempted to push through Congress a so-called reform of the nation’s health care industry — a $1 trillion restructuring that would turn effective control of one-sixth of the economy over to government regulators and bureaucrats. Not a good idea: some 90 percent of Americans are satisfied with their health care, a majority think that the burgeoning deficit is more of a problem than health care, and 42 percent think his plan is a bad idea, while only 36 percent say it is a good idea (22 percent have no opinion).

It is too early to say that the presidential agenda is dead in the water. But it is not too early to say that he made some serious errors.

The stimulus not only failed to keep the unemployment rate to 8 percent, as Obama promised (it is now 9.5 percent). It also unleashed a flood of red ink that shifted voters’ attention to the implications of the deficit for their children’s and grandchildren’s standard of living. So when the president insisted that Congress pass a cap-and-trade program that will drive up energy costs, and a health care plan that will add more than a trillion dollars to the deficit or the tax burden over the next decade, Congress heard from unhappy constituents (39 percent strongly oppose his health plan while only 25 percent strongly support it), and momentum shifted from the president to more centrist congressional Democrats, who are doing what Republicans don’t have the votes to do: preventing the liberal Democratic leadership from taking a giant step to a government-controlled health care system.

The President has a 78-seat majority in the House of Representatives, and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. He does not need a single Republican vote to pass any bill he sends to Congress. Still, he could not have his way with the Congress, and it now looks likely that he will have to trim his health-care program to get anything in the fall that he can declare a victory, which he will have to do if he is to avoid acute political embarrassment. Equally important, the president’s difficulty with Democratic centrists will inevitably slow the pace of his efforts to “transform” the entire American economy.

But slowing is not the same thing as derailing. The president remains popular, more popular than his policies. He is articulate, assured and, more important, not George W. Bush. No Republican has his communications skills, although he is subject to some ridicule for his ever-present teleprompters. And if the economy continues to recover, all will be forgiven.

Share prices are about 20 percent higher than when Obama took the oath of office. The index of leading economic indicators is up. Some banks — most notably Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase — are profitable enough to repay the bailout moneys meted out to them when it looked as if the financial system would collapse. Inventory liquidation is slowing and manufacturing activity seems to be recovering. Business investment is up, and Federal Reserve Board Chairman reports that the Fed’s support for the commercial paper market has fallen to one-third of crisis levels.

Perhaps most important, the housing sector might, only might, be “finding a bottom,” to use Wall Street lingo. Sales of existing homes are at their highest level since October 2008, and sales of new homes rose 11 percent in June. The much-watched Standard & Poor’s Case-Schiller index of house prices rose in May from the previous month for the first time in three years. Vacancy rates are down, as is the supply of unsold homes, now at its lowest level since October 2007. Housing starts rose 3.6 percent in June, and I am told that some builders in the hard-hit southwest have begun buying up land in anticipation of again constructing new homes. There is even talk of the “exit strategy” the Fed will adopt to reduce the money supply when the recovery proves durable.

Against that voters will have to weigh the fact that the unemployment rate has risen from 7.6 percent to 9.5 percent since Obama took office — some three million more people are out of work than early in the year. Perhaps even more crucially, there is the troubling, soaring deficit and the prospect of large tax increases or future inflation.

And the president cannot be certain that the economy has finally turned around. The banks still have an estimated $30 billion in commercial property loans to write off this year. Government efforts to modify mortgages so as to reduce foreclosures are floundering. Consumer sentiment fell in June, as consumers decided that the jobs market will not soon improve and “see little reason to believe that the economic stimulus package will improve their finances any time soon,” says Richard Curtin, director of the Reuters / University of Michigan survey.

So Obama has much to think about as he tallies his successes and failures. Other than the stimulus package, passed during the euphoria following his inauguration, his legislative program is stalled, and by members of his own party. The economy is doing better, but the indicator that most matters to voters — the unemployment rate — is headed up, rather than down. And the market sent a powerful signal this week: The auction of government bonds did not go well, forcing the Treasury to pay higher interest rates than in the recent past. That is a bad sign for a president who needs low rates to encourage business investment and sustain the fragile green shoots that must flower if the Democrats are to hold their gains in next November’s election.

It just might be that Obama had “a good thing going, going, gone.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/03/opinion/main5205648.shtml

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 4th, 2009
10:32 pm

Obama’s at 58% in job performance and there isn’t a publitard within 35 points of him. That’s the bottom line. And little whackjobs like so called Smith have as much influence on the outcome of anything as a gnat on a freight train.

It’s going to be fun to see little retards frustrated over the next few months. That birther tatic and bussing fat indigent slobs into to shout at meetings is really impressive and really working well. LOL

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 4th, 2009
10:44 pm

Nobody reads the long copies you make here Smith because your retarded little brain can’t think of any original ideas.

Michael H. Smith

August 4th, 2009
10:56 pm

Brain dead Obrucie thinks he speak for everybody. Oh what a laugh!

Turnout the lights the party’s over, they say that all good things must end, Turn out the lights, the party’s over and tomorrow starts the same old thing again.

Michael H. Smith

August 4th, 2009
11:04 pm

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 30% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-seven percent (37%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -7

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 4th, 2009
11:04 pm

From the Captain of Brain Dead.

Michael H. Smith

August 4th, 2009
11:06 pm

Gosh Obrucie is holding a confessional! :lol:

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 4th, 2009
11:07 pm

Obama is at 58% approval rating 30 points ahead of every pubtard and he crushed your butt and will do it again.

Michael H. Smith

August 4th, 2009
11:09 pm

Obumer is at [b]-7[/b]

Michael H. Smith

August 4th, 2009
11:32 pm

Read Obumer’s teleprompter, no tax increase for the “middle clash”. See, you people thought you heard Obumer say no tax increase in any form for the middle class! That’s not what was on the teleprompter. You tell’em “Beltway Bob” Gibbs. That old Larry Summers, that old Tim Geithner, you can’t believe a word they said.

Can you? :(

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 5th, 2009
12:05 am

Republitards done be dead in da water for the rest of their miserable lives.

With Republican party leaders so constrained by ideological blinders that none of their positions is likely to produce gains among non-white minorities, especially Hispanics, the GOP is finding it has no real alternative but to revert to a “white voter” strategy.

It’s all very reminiscent of the party’s notorious Southern Strategy, which carried the GOP for decades. But that strategy backfired spectacularly in the 2006 and 2008 elections, and there’s no reason to think it will work any better in 2010 — especially given the ever-growing importance of the minority electorate

In this respect, even if the GOP picks up a few House and Senate seats in 2010, many of the party’s top analysts believe that it will remain mired in minority status through 2012 and beyond. Other analysts say it may even decline to the level of a minor regional party, with its only real strength in the South.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 5th, 2009
12:07 am

Minority Status –We tell you what to do and when to jump. Nothing you can do about it.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 5th, 2009
10:31 am

Good news. Security has been hired to deal with the “rent a mobs” hired by corporate insurance companies and national republitard groups and they will be promptly seized, handcuffed, tased and arrested bro. Let’s see how those fat ugly people you wouldn’t give a glance to on the street hired to be bused in to yell gibberish are down with that.

ncgreybr

August 5th, 2009
10:42 am

Let’s see: “Fletch” rails against liberals using words like: pathetic libpigs, jackalcrats, libpig wretches, dimocats, arrogant fascists, Obamajoker, dumbass, candayasses and pansies.” The best part of this joke is that it’s the “liberals” who hate! What a loser!

deegee

August 5th, 2009
11:16 am

The sophomoric name calling is truly bipartisan.

Republicans had all three branches of government from the years 2000 – 2006. Their record is abysmal. They created wealth for the bankers and brokers and sent the middle class consumer into foreclosure and bankruptcy. The middle class investor in the market has lost 35% – 50% of the value of their retirement investment. The cleanup is going to take some time. While there are some signs of improvement in the economy there is nothing to cheer about yet. The stock market rally is fueled by improved corporate profits due to cost cutting, not expansion. The credit markets are still closed to many borrowers. State and municipal governments are slashing payroll and services in an attempt to balance their budgets after experiencing 30% declines in revenue over the last 8 – 10 months. It’s no time to rejoice. It’s going to take more than 7 months to clean up this mess.

Dem Stupid Libs

August 5th, 2009
12:49 pm

So, the Obama administration is withholding information on the TAXPAYER CASH FOR CLUNKER PROGRAM, huh? Who here is not surprised at these shady, Chicago thugery politicians doing shady things behind the scenes?

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WASHINGTON – The Obama administration is refusing to quickly release government records on its “cash-for-clunkers” rebate program that would substantiate — or undercut — White House claims of the program’s success, even as the president presses the Senate for a quick vote for $2 billion to boost car sales. The Transportation Department said it will provide the data as soon as possible but did not specify a time frame or promise release of the data before the Senate votes whether to spend $2 billion more on the program.
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And you don’t think GE is in the pockets of this administration’s fascist green push? (For you mindless Obamabots, fascism is government control over private companies – so yes, we conservatives know EXACTLY what we’re talking about when throwing that word around, unlike to foul brained dimwits who throw around “racism” at the drop of a hat when someone says something against an Obama initiative).. But the bloody ironic thing is watching the envirowackos complain that the gubment TAXPAYER CASH (for clunker) Program won’t do anything for Al Gore’s kool aid church of global warming.

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WASHINGTON – “Cash for clunkers” could have the same effect on global warming pollution as shutting down the entire country — every automobile, every factory, every power plant — for an hour per year. That could rise to three hours if the program is extended by Congress and remains as popular as it is now. Compared to overall carbon dioxide emissions in the United States, the pollution savings from cash for clunkers do not noticeably move the fuel gauge. Environmental experts say the program — conceived primarily to stimulate the economy and jump-start the auto industry — is not an effective way to attack climate change.
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And of course what wonderful gubment program run by these collectivist fascists on the modern Dimwit left would be complete without using TAXPAYER DOLLARS to fund abortion under a social health care plan. Here’s a thought, if the bimbo was too lazy to worry about birth control, make her pay for it out of her own pocket – or the baby daddy. If they don’t pay, they don’t get one, and the kid goes up for adoption. Public option MYASS.

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WASHINGTON (AP) – Health care legislation before Congress would allow a new government-sponsored insurance plan to cover abortions, a decision that would affect millions of women and recast federal policy on the divisive issue. Federal funds for abortions are now restricted to cases involving rape, incest or danger to the health of the mother. Abortion opponents say those restrictions should carry over to any health insurance sold through a new marketplace envisioned under the legislation, an exchange where people would choose private coverage or the public plan. Abortion rights supporters say that would have the effect of denying coverage for abortion to millions of women who now have it through workplace insurance and are expected to join the exchange.
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And the news just keeps getting better and better from the Hypocrocrats – the same ones who bitch about the evil rich and their private planes. Oh the Pelosicrats are setting the needle off the scale in sheer arrogance, cronyism, and good old fashioned blatant hypocrisy. You think if a Republican administration and Congress approved of this the Dimwits on the left and their DNC media wouldn’t have cause a little OUTCRY over it?

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Last year, lawmakers excoriated the CEOs of the Big Three automakers for traveling to Washington, D.C., by private jet to attend a hearing about a possible bailout of their companies.

But apparently Congress is not philosophically averse to private air travel: At the end of July, the House approved nearly $200 million for the Air Force to buy three elite Gulfstream jets for ferrying top government officials and Members of Congress.

The Air Force had asked for one Gulfstream 550 jet (price tag: about $65 million) as part of an ongoing upgrade of its passenger air service.

But the House Appropriations Committee, at its own initiative, added to the 2010 Defense appropriations bill another $132 million for two more airplanes and specified that they be assigned to the D.C.-area units that carry Members of Congress, military brass and top government officials.

Because the Appropriations Committee viewed the additional aircraft as an expansion of an existing Defense Department program, it did not treat the money for two more planes as an earmark, and the legislation does not disclose which Member had requested the additional money.

An Appropriations Committee staffer said the military was already planning to replace its passenger fleet, and the committee “looked at the request and decided they should speed up the replacement.”

The Gulfstream G550 is a luxury business jet, which the company advertises as featuring long-range flight capacity that “easily links Washington, D.C., with Dubai, London with Singapore and Tokyo with Paris.” The company’s promotional materials say, “The cabin aboard the G550 combines productivity with exceptional comfort. It features up to four distinct living areas, three temperature zones, a choice of 12 floor plan configurations with seating for up to 18 passengers.”
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And Newsbusters sure knows how to lay it out over all the Dimwits being upset on Obamajoker with a nice historical perspective of the Bush treatment: :

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/08/03/obama-joker-poster-starts-outrage-bush-joker-poster-not-so-much

Now who is REALLY tearing down America, abusing powers and giving them to czars, and ignoring the will of the PEOPLE against CommieCare again? Yep, the hypocrisy meter continues to jump off the scale.

Finally, exactly what did the DPRK gain from Bill Clinton’s little trip over to free some hostages as a directive from the Obama Administration? Do you think any of those people in Washington give a damn that is validates one of the most demonic, freedom hating, America hating, dangerous, thugery dictatorship the world has faced since WWII? You think they care about the long term consequences?

And Gitmo is in the news again. Why not just send them to San Francisco jails? Or do they even jail people out there in left wing land anymore?

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Two congressional Republicans on Tuesday pushed back against plans being considered by the Obama administration to transfer Guantanamo Bay detainees into facilities in Michigan and Kansas.

On a conference call with reporters, Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas and Rep. Mike Rogers of Michigan said they were blindsided by multiple media reports over the weekend that detainees might be moved to facilities in Leavenworth, Kan., and Standish, Mich.
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Dem Stupid Libs

August 5th, 2009
12:52 pm

“The sophomoric name calling is truly bipartisan”

That’s right – you LibDims should learn something about that. Especially the LibDim blog queen who spends more time here defecating to everyone how much they are hated and irrelevant. Like we give a damn about a psychotic obsessed freak like that anyway.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 5th, 2009
2:56 pm

Any of you pubtards want to forget the names or the baby bitches, and go one on one on the issues? That’s issues. You have a specific gripe or even (which never happens) idea about how to deliver health care, or economics, or that their shouldn’t have been diplomacy to get the girls home from North Korea have at it. But to waste time on the names you were proiud to learn to call as a defense mechanism when you were a kid on the playground afraid there was always someone who could hurt you or throws a rock and clock you in the head is stupid–life’s short.

As someone who delivers health care for a living as an MD, what I see as the most confused issue by far by Republicans in Congress, and distorted by the insurance company and pharma lobbyists besides the stupid fiction that older people whatever the word means, will be targeted or that euthenasia will be mandatory is that not enough people realize that the insurance companies are cancelling people in droves when they get significantly sick–not to mention that your doctor gets hassled and has his or her time wasted by insurance companies getting reimbursed to take care of you.

We have had it with busting our buts to stay educated and then not being able to use what we know on patients because insurance companies won’t cover good care or the referrals we might have to make to get the best care. Whatever you think, all of us get great satisfaction out of keeping up and applying the best medicine, the best meds, and the best procedures, but this paradigm of not being able to use them because insurance is cut off is going to go in the next few months.

And there is not a doctor who has not given a good amount of free care and time in this environment. You may not have had a problem YET, but we see them everyday–when someone who has paid premiums or her employer has and they will not cover breast cancer treatment, or protstate cancer treatment, or they won’t cover significant cardica care. Often they will raise the price for preventive care.

It’s a factt and well documented on CDC and ADA’s websites that as high as one third of people over the age of 60 contract glucose intolerance and eventually 23.1% of all people in this age group have diabetes.Type II AODM, and they will deny you or triple your rates often if this happens to you.

Men: 12.0 million, or 11.2% of all men aged 20 years or older have diabetes although nearly one third of them do not know it.

Women: 11.5 million, or 10.2% of all women aged 20 years or older have diabetes although nearly one quarter of them do not know it

We want to keep insurance companies from cancelling or denying these people and they could be and are you–pure and simple. No one wants to take your care; get between you and your doctor–hell insurance companies are already between way too many people and their doctor–and some of you will learn that the hard way if we can’t fix this. And fix it we will.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 5th, 2009
3:02 pm

The families give a damn about having their daughters, mother, and wife back, and Bush was the best friend of a nuclear bomb equipped North Korea and Iran. The stupidity of his policies much like the Birthers and the Rent a Crowd for the town halls, sitting on his butt and doing nothing set North Korean nuclear disarmanant back 15 years. Now Iran has nuclear bomb capability a heart beat away. Thank Bush for that.

If it happened to you you’d be mush. It did zero to deal with a terrorist nation, and further the Obama administration has made it clear it changes nothing. If anything with Kim dying, it may change the paradigm with his son who is a big Michael Jordan fan and may be totally different. The odds are he won’t be like his father, but that country is like no other country and a huge amount of their population is imprisoned–whoops that’s right– a huge amount of the US is imprisoned–growing every day, and soon the Rent a Rabble crowd at town meetings is going to swell that population.

Michael H. Smith

August 5th, 2009
5:26 pm

Guess all DEMwits are not created equally stupid. Some of them can actually count. They even know where the majority votes are that gets a candidate elected. In fact, a few of their operatives and strategists who know politics, run candidates that match their Republican opponents conservative credentials in districts that nearly never vote liberal.

Ah, such are the Blue Dogs.

Is that about right Senator Schumer? Would you call that a countervailing “Democrat Southern Strategy”?

However that one-shot strategy could make for a sticky political situation in 2010, considering the socialist liberal actions of the current Congress and President, in a country that is clearly a slightly right of center nation. (21% liberal, 39% centrist, 40% conservative)

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 5th, 2009
6:14 pm

Chuck Schumer doesn’t read your idiocy and neither do I.

If necessary, and we can’t educate the ignorant, we’ll pass the Senate Health committee bill or whatever it takesto get a public option and competition for the insurance companies. Apparently Smith is medically ignorant and doesn’t get that There are 23.6 million people in the United States, or 8% of the population, who have diabetes are having their rates doubled or tripled regardless of how well controlled and perfectly normal Hb1Acs for years.

Age 20 years or older: 23.5 million, or 10.7% of all people in this age group have diabetes.

Age 60 years or older: 12.2 million, or 23.1% of all people in this age group have diabetes.

Conservative WaPo columnist Kathleen Parker who has written a dozen columns about what an idiot Palen is wrote one about how stupid and destructive the Southern whacknut wingnuts are and how they are destroying the pubtard chances of any election or victory. On one hand, it’s great to see dummies making it easy for us to win. On the other, their needs to be an epidemiologic muti-center trial to try to detect whether there is a genetic cause for so much white stupidity in the South.

http://www.postwritersgroup.com/archives/park090805.htm

THEM DANG SOUTHERNERS
August 5, 2009

WASHINGTON — Southern writer Walker Percy liked to poke fun at Ohioans in his novels, just to even things out a bit.

“Usually Mississippians and Georgians are getting it from everybody, and Alabamians,” he once explained to an interviewer. “So, what’s wrong with making smart-aleck remarks about Ohio? Nobody puts Ohio down. Why shouldn’t I put Ohio down?”

Percy, the genial genius, laughed at his own remark.

Now, apparently, it’s the Buckeye State’s turn to poke back. In a fusillade of pique, Ohio Sen. George Voinovich charged that Southerners are what’s wrong with the Republican Party.

“We got too many Jim DeMints (South Carolina) and Tom Coburns (Oklahoma),” he told an interviewer with The Columbus Dispatch. “It’s the Southerners. They get on TV and go ‘errrr, errrrr.’ People hear them and say, ‘These people, they’re Southerners. The party’s being taken over by Southerners. What the hell they got to do with Ohio?”

Down South, people are trying to figure out what “errrr, errrrr” means. Jack Bass, author of eight books about social and political change in the South, speculated in an e-mail that Voinovich really meant grrrr, grrrrr, as in “growling canines whose bark scares more than do Obama’s purrs, especially with the Dow at a nine-month high.”

Whatever Voinovich’s sound effects were intended to convey, his meaning was clear enough: Those ignorant, right-wing, Bible-thumping rednecks are ruining the party.

Alas, Voinovich was not entirely wrong.

Not all Southern Republicans are wing nuts. Nor does the GOP have a monopoly on ignorance or racism. And, the South, for all its sins, is also lush with beauty, grace and mystery. Nevertheless, it is true that the GOP is fast becoming regionalized below the Mason-Dixon, and becoming increasingly associated with some of the South’s worst ideas.

It is not helpful (or surprising) that “birthers” — conspiracy theorists who have convinced themselves that Barack Obama is not a native son — have assumed kudzu qualities among Republicans in the South. In a poll commissioned by the liberal blog, Daily Kos, participants were asked: “Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?”

Hefty majorities in the Northeast, Midwest and West believe Obama was born in the U.S. But in the land of cotton, where old times are not by God forgotten, only 47 percent believe Obama was born in America and 30 percent aren’t sure.

Southern Republicans, it seems, have seceded from sanity.

Though Voinovich’s views may be shared by others in the party, it’s a tad late — not to mention ungrateful — to indict the South. Republicans have been harvesting Southern votes for decades from seeds strategically planted during the Civil Rights era. When Lyndon B. Johnson predicted in 1965 that the Voting Rights Act meant the South would go Republican for the next 50 years, he wasn’t just whistling Dixie.

A telling anecdote recounted by Pat Buchanan to New Yorker writer George Packer last year captures the dark spirit that still hovers around the GOP. In 1966 Buchanan and Richard Nixon were at the Wade Hampton Hotel in Columbia, S.C., where Nixon worked a crowd into a frenzy: “Buchanan recalls that the room was full of sweat, cigar smoke, and rage; the rhetoric, which was about patriotism and law and order, ‘burned the paint off the walls.’ As they left the hotel, Nixon said, ‘This is the future of this Party, right here in the South.’”

That same rage was on display again in the fall of 2008, but this time the frenzy was stimulated by a pretty gal with a mocking little wink. Sarah Palin may not have realized what she was doing, but Southerners weaned on Harper Lee heard the dog whistle.

The curious Republican campaign of 2008 may have galvanized a conservative Southern base — including many who were mostly concerned with the direction Democrats would take the country — but it also repelled others who simply bolted and ran the other way. Whatever legitimate concerns the GOP may historically have represented were suddenly overshadowed by a sense of a resurgent Old South and all the attendant pathologies of festering hate and fear.

What the GOP is experiencing now, one hopes, are the death throes of that 50-year spell that Johnson foretold. But before the party of the Great Emancipator can rise again, Republicans will have to face their inner Voinovich and drive a stake through the heart of old Dixie.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 5th, 2009
6:33 pm

A big shoutout to Sonny Idiot Purdue who has won the trifecta or the quadfecta. And apparently, Wooten not only reads no newspapers; he has never read the AJC during the time he got/and still gets a large welfare check from Cox.

Feds Freeze JawJaw DOT’s Transit Grants

Feds blast Georgia over transit money;
Grants frozen until state fixes problems.;
Georgia DOT concedes mismanagement

The problems were so severe that the federal government has frozen DOT’s transit grants, which average about $28 million a year, including some from the federal stimulus program. The report cast doubt on whether DOT could manage grants for the commuter rail line proposed to go south through Lovejoy.

Federal Court Turning off Water Tap for JawJaw–Sonny pisses away $8 million in legal fees comes up with zilch, prayes for rain and whatever he thingks he’s prayin’ too tells him to go Sonny himself.

May 30–Days after a patient died from a severe beating, federal regulators have ordered the state mental hospital in Columbus to quickly correct dangerous conditions that may have contributed to the assault.

And millions of people all over the US are jist dyin’ to go to Lovejoy Bumf_ck JawJaw—it’s more popular that Rapallo or Capri Italy and tons more scenic.

Michael H. Smith

August 5th, 2009
7:23 pm

More yum, yum for the dumb, dumb brucie. :lol:

Democratic Voters Flee the Obama-Pelosi Bandwagon

As President Obama’s approval rating continues to nosedive toward that of Speaker Nancy Pelosi, one has to wonder: Who are these naysayers abandoning the dynamic duo of government-run everything? While it’s true that a majority of the discontented comes from the ranks of Republican and Independent voters, it is also true that many Democratic voters are parting ways with the Obama-Pelosi agenda on several fronts.

Healthcare

According to a recent Zogby International/O’Leary Report poll (which surveyed 4,470 voters July 21-24 and has a margin-of-error of plus-or-minus 1.5 percentage points – internal data here), only 36 percent of Democratic voters support the Obama-Pelosi government administered health insurance plan that would put government in charge of determining what medical procedures Americans can have and when they can have them. Fifty-nine percent of Democratic voters prefer to either keep the current system in place, or want something different altogether.

When Obama and Pelosi ask their more moderate colleagues to come onboard with Obamacare, what they’re really asking them to do is ignore the will of their constituents, voters within their own Party, and the broader American electorate. That’s a tough sell.

First Amendment Rights

On September 9, the U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments in a case that could turn a key provision of the “McCain-Feingold” campaign finance law on its head. At issue is a documentary about Hillary Clinton that was produced by the conservative group Citizens United and released in January 2008 when Clinton was running for president. Citing “McCain-Feingold” restrictions, a district court barred the group from advertising the documentary on television and distributing it through video-on-demand. Now the Supreme Court will decide if such a ban infringes on Americans’ First Amendment rights.

Both Obama and Pelosi support McCain-Feingold, however, the same can’t be said for a majority of voters in their Party. The same Zogby/O’Leary poll found that 54 percent of Democratic voters believe that the First Amendment protects the right of organizations to buy political advertising that either supports or opposes a candidate for political office. Only 27 percent of Democratic voters believe otherwise.

Second Amendment

Recently, an amendment that would have permitted law-abiding gun owners with concealed-carry permits to carry their firearms across state lines fell short in the Senate. Although the amendment received a majority of votes (58-39), a filibuster-proof 60 votes were required for passage. Thirty-seven of the “no” votes came from Democratic Senators.

The Zogby/O’Leary Report poll found that an overwhelming 79 percent of Democratic voters support laws that allow law-abiding Americans to carry guns. Yet over 60 percent of Democratic Senators voted to disallow Americans this right. A majority of Senate Democrats voted against the wishes of a majority of Democratic voters.

President Obama and Nancy Pelosi have never met a gun-ban they didn’t like – both of their records are abundantly clear on this. But is this a reflection of the Democratic electorate at large? Or is it just a reflection of their native enclaves – Southside Chicago (where Obama cut his political teeth) and San Francisco? Signs point to the latter.

Fifty-six percent of Democratic voters believe the Second Amendment “right to keep and bear arms’ is a right that should apply to every law-abiding citizen living in this country.” A slight majority of Democratic voters (52 percent) disagree with any law that would ban the possession of handguns, and the same percentage agree that “self-defense with a firearm is a fundamental right.” And finally, 73 percent of Democratic voters believe in the individual right to own and use firearms.

Conclusion

President Obama and Speaker Pelosi may find it convenient, not to mention politically expedient, to blame Republicans every time they fail to get one of their Big Government agenda items through the Democrat-led House and the Democrat-led Senate. However, the inconvenient truth is that majorities of Democratic voters are opposed to the Obama-Pelosi agenda on many issues. According to a recent Gallup poll, 40 percent of all Americans consider themselves “conservative,” and only 21 percent call themselves “liberal” (35 percent say “moderate”). The same poll found that 62 percent of self-identified Democrats consider themselves either conservative or moderate.

Try as they might, Obama and Pelosi should eventually find these numbers hard to ignore. In the meantime, they seem content to not only buck mainstream America, but also buck the mainstream within their own Party.

Brad O’Leary is publisher of “The O’Leary Report,” a bestselling author, and is a former NBC Westwood One talk show host. His new book, “Shut Up, America! The End of Free Speech,” (endoffreespeech.com) is now in bookstores. To see more, go to olearyreport.com.

(8/5/2009)
– By Brad O’Leary, American Thinker

http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.cfm?ID=19008

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 5th, 2009
8:18 pm

Dr. Smith (M.D. of course–veteran of years of day in and day out treating patients right?)

Besides pasting obssessively gobs of s_it I know I never read any more than I listen to Faux’s dumbasses or Rush, answer a simple question for me?

When you have a patient who has infiltrating ductal carcinoma and requires a mastectomy, or you have a patient who has AODM Type 1 or you have a patient who has Prostate Ca, and

a) Their insurance company cancels them when they make a claim because they’re sick
b) They lose their jobs and they can’t afford to buy insurance with the heavily increased rates

How do you get these patients treated? Do you boot them out of your office and tell ‘em to suck it up–mah boy George Bush says “go to da ER?”

What’s your track record for your patients’ survival when you do this?

Or you don’t treat patients do you? Is that it? And you pretend this doesn’t happen? Is that the deal?

No obsessive compuslive pasting needed here. All you need do is answer the direct questions. You don’t need to call any names. We know you were picked on for years and you wtill think you’re a kid. Just answer the direct questions.

What do you do with hundreds of paitents under these circumstances when they’re cancelled? How do you get them the $35,000 to $45,000 mastectomy–do you do it in your kitchen? How do youo manage the diabetes when these patients don’t have the money for the meds out of their pocket and can’t get insurance because it doubled when or get cancelled when 23.1% of your imaginary patients over 60 get diabetes?

Jist wondrin’ Dr. Smith with all your years of clinical medical experience.

Again no pasting. Just simple questions requiring simple answers.

These patients get cancelled when they get sick. These patients can’t get insurance if they lose their job–plans get far more expensive than with a group plan.

Did I say focus on the questions at hand with no pasting?

You can’t?You have the same disorder as Palin right? Can’t concentrate and read because you have a narcissistic Borderline Personality Disorder (Untreated)?

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 5th, 2009
8:25 pm

John Bolten, the only UN Ambassador NEVER CONFIRMED BY THE US SENATE, and his whackjobs are pissed off that the two journalists are home with their families.

And your wingnuts keep acting out and keep handing us elections and votes. Keep it the f_ck up.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 5th, 2009
8:27 pm

“Smith”–

Which part of “I never read your obsessive-compulsive Borderline personality” chain pastes can’t you comprehend? I or never or read or your or obsessive etc.?

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 5th, 2009
8:49 pm

Congressman William Jefferson faces real hell after sentencing because he will be surrounded by 200+ Republitard Congresscritterstards or aids/lobbyists/chiefs of staff to Republitardconvictards.

He will be soon joined by multimillionaire Blackwater CEO and owner, Eric Christian Crusader Prince.

\Bad timing for Prince and his 200+ Republitard collegues–Senate approves bill to jam cell phones in prisons. LOL the only cell phones in prisons with rare exceptions belong to the BOP/DOJ employees. That should be fun. No more Bootie Calls by the employees of the second largest agency in DOJ.

If Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-La., chooses to challenge Republican Sen. David Vitter, Democrats would also get a top-tier candidate in a race against Hooker financial supporter Vitter. the best news for Democrats is that they don’t even need to beat any Republican incumbents next year to have a great 2010, provided they are able to pick off a couple open GOP seats.

Former and fired US Attorney under Gonzales Rachel Peloze hired by the feckless SEC in Miami. Give her a mop.

Liberal Idiocracy

August 5th, 2009
9:12 pm

Laughable! The Dumocraps are saying that Americans who are enjoying their freedom to speak out against government take over of health care are haters and plants from the fringe right! Just like good little nazis, these modern left wing Dumocraps are. So Dumocraps, when’s the next book burning? Are there concentration camps next for Americans expressing their freedoms? Horrible. Just absolutely horrible. And you had better believe this arrogance of the modern left who are abusing their powers are going to get their just due as the Republicans did. As Smith posted, the plurality of this nation’s voters is not liberal and not conservative – it’s moderate. Moderates kicked Republicans to the curb, and now moderates may very well give them a second chance after this hallmark of corruption and out of touch reality of the will of the people. It’s going to be a long, hard fall, Dumocraps. You pinheads didn’t learn from the Republicans: power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

By the by, any blogger here who brags about being an MD and expresses such hate nonstop is either truthful and a psychotic fringe left wing nut sack, or a lying sh-t sack and probably at best a care giver wiping asses. If the former, someone needs to track this quack down and throw him or her in a white room. If the latter, what else is new.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 5th, 2009
9:19 pm

When Smith and his 200 pound overweight slobs get on da bus to yell incoherently at Townhalls, who is going to post bail for him and his dupes since local police everwhere have said they will begin arresting people whose disorderly conduct disrupts town halls? You can get a federal arrest if you do it at one of Obama’s which will cost you more to get out and litigate and you may spend the night or two or three in places you’ve never seen. Kwell is the Rx for your lice.

You have the First Amendment in Spades. What you don’t have is the right to violate criminal statutes by yelling incoherently non-stop and drowning out the answer to the question you’re too dumb to ask.

Go Pubtards. Jail is the place for ya.

Get on da bus and haul ole man Wooten along with you.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 5th, 2009
9:27 pm

Anytime you want to take me on on a medical or legal subject (you never do) you just hurl invective, I’m ready. I’ll wipe the floor with your Borderline butt.

The only reply you have is childish invective.

Pick any medical or legal topic. You’re an obsessive paster. You have no ideas. You know zero about medicine–could not get through a pre-med program/or a humanities major and get into med school. You would not last past the first round of testsin the first year of med school, and you’d wet your pants after one night on call or catching patients in an ER.

The MD statement came up because something about discussing health care and years of treating patients have a nexus. That is strange to a tard,obviously and you don’t understand that those of us who spend hours a week keeping up with the literature and going to meetings to keep up, and on line to keep up, want to use our skills on patients but can’t when the insurance companies cancel them when they get sick or lose their job. The vast majority of mid-income people who lost their jobs during the Bush administration can’t afford insurance on their own. It costs too many of thousands of bucks per month for their family or even for a couple with no kids.

Again none of the pubtards can answer my questions about what the patients do when they get the 3 diseases I named, and their insurnace is cancelled because they misbehaved by getting the disease. It happens every day, in every city and small town in this country and we have seen it for years.

Apparently pubtards think its great until whoops it happens to them.or their children. AFIK there is no special immunogenicity conferred on a pubtard’s family, a pubtard,. or their baby.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 5th, 2009
9:48 pm

Liberal Idiocracy

August 5th, 2009
9:12 pm
Laughable! The Dumocraps are saying that Americans who are enjoying their freedom to speak out against government take over of health care are haters and plants from the fringe right! Just like good little nazis, these modern left wing Dumocraps are.

The next time y ou go someplace whether it’s a town hall or a 1 on 1 and you want help understanding anything, you aren’t going to get it by simply yelling incessantly so you drown out the speaker who is glad to take questions and if you’re 1 on 1 even with a “friend”, they’ll simply walk away from you if not walk away and knock you on your ass.

We all know the difference between expressing yourself, shutting up, and listening to the response and wrecking a meeting and no one is dumb enough to think they’re the same except you.

Again–if that’s your choice quit bitching that you lose all the time because you will.

We voted against the hatred and imbecility that Palin whipped up in her “us vs. them” and it f_cked your chances of being happy with who got elected, not to mention that he was part African American which pisses off the real Nazis–white trash who are ignorant bigots, mostly with bad educations.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 5th, 2009
10:01 pm

Tell ya what “Smith.” Haul your fat butt on the bus, and yell incoherently at a Congressman’s town hall and when the cops come to remove you, and your in the back of the squad car, tell them you’re “expressing yourself. Then tell your lawyer and the judge/jury your choice who convicts you.

There will be a ton of witnesses as to your conduct you betcha. And the kicker is you can try what you term is free expression by yelling down Karen Handel or any other Republitard candidate at any one of their meetings coming up in the campaign season soon upon us–do it at a Republitard meeting–Bush had people arrested (they later had to back down) for wearing T-shirts they didn’t like in fact.

If you try to yell any Republitard candidate down the way these bussed in quintissentially ugly fat wads are doing–your fellow Republitards will have your butt in jail in a NY minutes.

You can ask a question like “whatcha mean women with breast cancer lose their insurance duh is breast cancer very serious–or men with prostate cancer that’s metastatic lose their insurance –are prostate mets to the spine, rest of the bone, lungs, duh very serious–or whadaya mean 23% of people over 60 get Diabetes Type II and 8 % of 20 year olds get it and they get dropped from insurance or its premium tripples for either them or their employer” and you’ll get an answer. I can answer it for ya.

But their is a difference in asking a question in an orderly fashion for information at a meeting and trying to blitz the meeting and block other people from getting answers to their questions.

To the extent that you and other idiots pretend not to know it, you’re getting killed at the polls and if you take my suggestion and behave that way at the next Republican question/answer session they’ll arrest you in a Brooklyn Bridge heart beat. I can’t picture Jim Wooten as one of those people, but it’d be fun to watch.

Tall

August 5th, 2009
10:21 pm

To “Reconciliation….it’s obvious that you were educated in Fulton County Schools. “Judge Shoob kicks Bush SEC in the nuts….the SEC is a Federal agency that has been around for a long time. If you didn’t notice, President Obama appointed former CFTC Chairperson Mary Shapiro(under the Bush Administration) to oversee the SEC….as if it will make a difference. For those of you who take comfort in “Better Oversight”…forget it. If a crook wants to steal…HE WILL!! Regulations mean nothing to a bad guy. Bernie Madoff perpetuated this scheme for years. No one from the SEC did so much as a basic audit. They – the SEC officials who should have caught Madoff – should be in prison with him. Remember the Long Term Capital Management debacle? That happend under the Clinton administration’s watch. Is it Billy’s fault? No. It’s the SEC.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 5th, 2009
10:30 pm

To “Tall”–

I’d love to take your money based on your delusions about what’s obvious. Fortunately I wasn’t “educated” in any schools in Fulton County or Georgia and the schools where I did get education are ranked infinitely higher than any here. Georgia ranks last or next to last every year in any venue or ranking, but where I was educated has nothing to do with sticking to the point on issues like health care, economics, etc.

The SEC has been a joke for a long time, and what Shoob did was appropriate. They were blind, deaf, and dumb in their dealings with Madoff and if the SEC pursues an individual, and there was a recent chronicle of this in NYT and the individual chooses to fight as one attorney did, rather than say whatever they want to make them go away, you may win (I’d be be happy to find the link) but your finances will most likely be devestated and your business destroyed, much like the federal legal system for most individuals any

Tall

August 5th, 2009
10:45 pm

“Stomp the blah, blah, blah…”Pick any medical or legal topic. You’re an obsessive paster. You have no ideas. You know zero about medicine–could not get through a pre-med program/or a humanities major and get into med school. You would not last past the first round of testsin the first year of med school, and you’d wet your pants after one night on call or catching patients in an ER.” You don’t either. I’m married to a nurse with 18 years of experience at CHOA – Scottish Rite. She’ll clean your clock in a NYC minute. We socialize with physicians, nurses and administrators. My background is in insurance. Your rants are nothing but populist bile without any hard facts. Insurance companies just can’t cancel someone because they have bad claim experience. There are numerous lawyers out there who would love to have that fight on their hands. For many years, I’ve been fortunate to enjoy good health. In the last seven months, however, things have changed. I’ve had surgery for an appendectomy, a detached retina, melanoma, and a deep laceration. The aggregate expenditures have been about $30,000. Blue Cross of GA has paid them all and I’m still with them. The bill from North Side Hospital for the appendectomy was almost comical in it’s egregiousness. A twenty seven hour visit cost $12,500. The drugs alone were $4,500. Who determined that one? The surgeon’s fee for 90 minutes of work was $2500. He is a good surgeon and I’m glad to have had him, but $2500? Everyone in this country wants the best health care available.
But they all want someone else to pay for it. The hard choices are coming. The insurers are easy to villify, but they pay the bills. If you think that upper income taxpayers are some vast resource to tax forever, guess again. When the bill comes due for this idiocy, we’ll see how glib you are.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 5th, 2009
10:49 pm

“anyway” was what I was typing before this idiot website refreshed on its own. LOL this is the only website I’ve ever seen where you make a comment and have to refresh it ten timt.es before you see the comment. And I’m not the lone ranger in that respect.

I know who Mary Shapiro is and her CV, (her career starting with Reagan’s appointing her to the SEC Board), and it remains to be seen how the SEC performs going forward. Ruthie has made 125 wire transfers out of Madoff’s accounts here and abroad until the feds finally seized some of them. Has it occured to you that after 50 years those feeder fund tentacles/eliptical connections will never be traced. There is anywhere from 65 billion to 175 billion give or take a couple out there and very little of it will be recovered. Should every last person who lost money of any income group have done due diligence on Madoff? You betcha but greed dulls a lot of senses.

Many Madoffs and the neice should be in prison and so should Ruth.

It’s very strange here to have someone direct a comment to you and the worst name they call you is “educated in Fulton schools” even though you were dead wrong. I didn’t go to school in Jaw Jaw. From what I see even in kids headed to Ivy league schools are with good grades Metro Hotlanta schools, I’m fortunate in that regard. None of them can write, and they’ve read few books in their lives. They spend a lot more time jerking off on Twitter and their Facebook pages.

I remember LTC. I also remember Senate Finance musical chairs with Grassly, Baucus, both equally bad and Roth and Packwood before them who flew things into the ground.

Tall

August 5th, 2009
11:01 pm

To “Repubs”…delusions about what? You’re going to take my money? Guess again. Reread my post.
If you have the time, read a book called “When Genius Failed”. You might learn something. I have many years of experience in trading futures, options, equities, fixed income and derivatives. The SEC is an organization of accountants and lawyers who don’t understand the business models of capital managers or hedge funds. The SEC shows up two years after the house burned down. Remember the late Kirk Wright? That episode could have been stopped much sooner than had happened. Same with Madoff.

Tall

August 5th, 2009
11:13 pm

s very strange here to have someone direct a comment to you and the worst name they call you is “educated in Fulton schools” even though you were dead wrong. I didn’t go to school in Jaw Jaw. From what I see even in kids headed to Ivy league schools are with good grades Metro Hotlanta schools, I’m fortunate in that regard. None of them can write, and they’ve read few books in their lives. They spend a lot more time jerking off on Twitter and their Facebook pages.”

You might think about a remedial course in English composition for yourself. And, I didn’t call you a name…I am simply speculating about your educational background.

Tall

August 5th, 2009
11:16 pm

Good night!!!

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 6th, 2009
12:03 am

Says LOL Mr. Tall: “You don’t either. I’m married to a nurse with 18 years of experience at CHOA – Scottish Rite. She’ll clean your clock in a NYC minute. We socialize with physicians, nurses and administrators. My background is in insurance. Your rants are nothing but populist bile without any hard facts. Insurance companies just can’t cancel someone because they have bad claim experience. There are numerous lawyers out there who would love to have that fight on their hands.”

Care to take a swing my man on why Bill Frist and Billy Tauzen passed a bill that forbids Medicare from negotiating for the price of meds the way your recent hospital NSH or Emory or your wife’s hospital does when they purchase their pharmaceutical inventory through a consortium and people wonder why there is a donnut gap between what people can get with their insurance and what they don’t get that they need because of the cost? CHOA is part of the Emory consortium that can negotiate for the price of drugs that the pharmaceutical companies don’t want Medicare to be able to do. BTW tell those slobs on a bus the insurance companies are paying minimum wages to rail like they are brain injured that Medicare is in fact, a government program. They have been yelling the government will take away the program that is the government’s and that Reagan said among a lot of stupid things played on a record the other night would be a total failure. It’s not perfect, but its far from a failure and pretty successful for many people.

Nope– my statement is called years of clinical experience period. I’ve seen it. And I call that hard facts. You want me to link the study of the 20,000 cancellations you claim doesn’t exist? I’ve done it several times here. I haven’t seen any insurance company execs screwed by their carriers–but I have seen attorneys screwed out the wazoo as patients or their families. You haven’t been specific which of these categories you fall in,possibly defense attorney for insurance companies or perhaps or insurance exec, but whatever. Why don’t you get very specific???

The insurance companies don’t pay a lot of the bills but they collect the premiums–for years and you must be leading a sheltered life along with your wife if you think the insurance companies cheerfully pay all the bills.

NYT wrote an article yesterday that was profoundly stupid. It was about what a nice lady Karen Ignani, head of America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) is for being so cooperative about health care reform.

The title of Reed Abelson’s column, For Health Insurer’s Lobbyist, Good Will Is Tested, tells the story. AHIP, the Times tell us, has already voluntarily offered to change its most egregious practices, like excluding previously sick people, and to stop fraudulently rescinding polices when people get sick. How magnanimous.

And in return for these unilateral concessions, the Times tells its readers, the industry obtained . . . uh, nothing as far as Mr. Abelson knows.

Apparently the clueless Abelson doesn’t know, and the Times editors and fact checkers cannot recall, their own reporting that AHIP’s “concessions” agreeing to stop screwing the American people were offered in exchange for the following modest concessions:

1. We would not displace the bloated insurance companies with a single-payer system; indeed, we wouldn’t even allow that policy approach to be considered;

2. We would enlarge the market for AHIP, by requiring all individuals to acquire, and most employers to offer, (with some hardship exceptions) private health insurance from AHIP members;

3. The federal government would raise taxes to provide subsidies to low- to middle-income Americans, to help pay for the insurance company premiums, without further regulating the amount of the premiums;

4. The reform bills would delay the end of the most egregious insurance practices for several years, at least until 2013 and grandfather existing policies until 2018.

In the meantime, AHIP was left free to spend literally millions each week to buy Congressional votes/influence to stop any effort to force AHIP members to compete against a Medicare-like public insurance plan, which might require them to lower rates, abide by the new prohibitions, or lose market share. That means nothing will disturb the mega insurer’s stranglehold on the market.

As part of its “cooperation” in health care reform, AHIP lobbyists have done everything they can to delete the public option, and failing that to replace it with an ineffective co-op, and failing that to weaken any public-based competition, delay it, and restrict access to it.

But informing its readers is apparently not the goal of the Time’s editors on Hug AHIP Day, let alone the task of the clueless Abelson. Instead, Times editors knowingly hide all of these well-documented facts while delivering a tongue bath to Karen Ignani and AHIP, while telling us how unfair it is for Nancy Pelosi to call the industry a bunch of “villains.” Mean Pelosi apparently watches Bill Moyers’ Journal.

Each year, some 20,000 Americans die because they couldn’t afford health insurance or thought they had insurance but their insurers refused to cover them when they got sick. A million people will go bankrupt because they can’t afford insurance or because our private insurance system won’t pay their medical bills.

Seeing patients day in and out first in ERs for years and then in an office isn’t exactly “populous bile” but LOL whatever you want to delude yourself it is, I’ve watched the insurance companies evolve into treating physicians and patients like dirt and so have a lot of my collegues who would laugh at your dismissal. That’s why they’re pushing a public plan

I wonder if your wife is aware of the nights people like myself spent on Pill Hill down the street from her in the ER when St. Joe’s CCU was full, and North Side’s was full, and Piedmont’s was full but my patient was in the ER with an evolving MI. I wonder if she was across the street and down the street when I had eto open a kid’s chest in the ER who had tragically crashed into a phone pole off Ashford Dunwoody because it was very wet and he was trying to get his paper route done before getting to Marist. I didn’t have a rib cutter, so I had to literally knock down the OR doors that were locked and run back to the ER to do open cardiac massage to try to save the kid with an epidural hematoma so that the neurosurgeon could operate on him. I wonder if your wife was there when I CPR’d the little girl who had grabbed mommy’s hair dryer that was plugged in resting on the corner of a tub while taking a bath and was electrocuted and drowned at the same time with water filling both her lungs. She graduated at the top of her class, and the literature said we had 11% chance of getting her out alive without severe CNS damage. Her mom was a head nurse. The best thing that happened that day was that I had a few minutes before 10 docs flooded the room. Too many cooks, particularly in that year…

I didn’t notice your wife with me when I fought to get CPR drugs on the truck for all the EMTs going to her hospital and every other one in Region III and had to inservice the EMTs to get their trucks armed with those critical care drugs–including the ones that go to her hospital–especially hard in the day when many docs were afraid of EMTs and wanted them to remain as hearses instead of begin treatment on the road or in the living room when time is very critical in an MI or an epidural hematoma.

I can’t wait for your wife to “clean my clock” in a New York minute becaiuse of course, my head is filled with populist bile instead of years of experience and accumulated skill. Dream on. Whatever floats your boat.

I don’t know about your socializing buddies, but we’re going to have one and they’ll be much better off. We’re going to lower the patent life of name brands, and that should help your large pharmacy bill in the future. Tauzin wants to keep screwing you.

I know you love your wife, the RN, and I value her service on Pill Hill and learned much from nurses beginning with med school, through residency and later. My comment is aimed at the people here who want to do nothing but play the name games that we all played under 10 years of age that were a right of passage. I wasn’t aware medicine was a contest, but I’d be delighted to go one on one with your wife and her buddies as life lines for money. You must believe either I’m awfully dumb after a lot of years of clinical experience or physicians aren’t very well educated or don’t keep up conscientiously as a rule. I value nurses, and the skills often overlap, particularly in units but they are a quantum leap different as your wife would find out if she tried to do a residency and med school. I know you have heard stories for years about this idiot doc or that idiot doc, but we heard them all through school and residency.

I think there is a quantitative difference in 4 years of med school and 5-6 years or residency and 3 years of med school, but having said that MDs just out of school think they know a lot, and they begin to gcet a grip many years later after clinical experience.

I don’t believe you advocate going to a meeting regardless of the party you subscribe to and yelling down the speaker without letting questions and answers take place but insurance companies are funding those astro-turfed slobs. Karen Ignani, head of America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) arg e funding these “on the bus” idiot disrupters of town hall meeting, and your collegues here can’t tell the difference between asking a question or yelling the way someone does after a severe temporal lobe injury or a pre-frontal lobotomy. Maybe you think that tactic is helping insurance companies.

What determined your pharmacy bill was the egregigious markup of the hospital pharmacy–I’ve reviewed charts that would knock your socks off and correlated them with bills that were amazing. I could buy some of the items from Kroeger or Publix for a slim fraction of the cost. The reflex defense by Billy Tauzin and many pharmaceutical companies is that it’s all “R&D”, but a good chunk of it is marketing. Thats one way hospitals, who are losing elective surgery in this economy are trying to make money and always have.

So you think that it’s a myth that the Top 3 Insurance companies cancelled 20,000 people in the past 5 years when they got sick and that the non-partisan congressional report that documented it was a phony is that correct? You think I’m pretending that people with the diseases I named get cancelled every day because they get sick? You were covered and not cancelled because you’re in the insurance industry. Others are not that fortunate. The 20,000 weren’t.

When I did 7 years as an ER physician, and I had what I thought was a serious complex case with a kid, I called some of their ER docs and bounced my treatment off of them and asked them if they would have added, done things differently, and particularly when there were new treatments or procedures–I wanted to know their opinion–and we were all reading the same journals. We didn’t have devices where you could hit the web from your pocket in those days unfortunately anI wasn’t trying to get things fixed at Redmond by the time Win 7 SP1 is out or Office 2010. PCs, Macs, and Linux weren’t ubiquitous. It would have saved a helluva lot of time and sped my learning curve.

I’m hope your melanoma was caught early, and that the result will be a good one. I’m sorry about the deep laceration and the detached retina.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 6th, 2009
12:07 am

You might think about a remfedial course in English composition for yourself. And, I didn’t call you a name…I am simply speculating about your educational background.

Your conflating spelling typos Tall ole buddy with the ability to write. I’ve written a lot of journal articles for major journals and they weren’t corrected a scintilla. I am not running this blog comment in my spare time through Word 2010. I did an honors major in English at a good school along with a double major in chem for pre-med. How ’bout you Tall?

Be specific as to what sentences need remedial LOL English composition. Be delighted to match my vocabulary and composition against you and your socializing docs and your wife’s anytime.

Like most pubtards here, you criticize but can’t butress your mud slinging with any facts.

You work for an insurance company or do defense work for them?

Moblican

August 6th, 2009
12:29 pm

[[[WE INTERRUPT THIS BLOG OF LIBERAL IDIOCRATS TO BRING YOU A VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE]]]

Well just look at what we have here. It appears the Idiocratic Party is having a meltdown over Americans rejecting Hammer&SICKle Care (get it you slow wit idiocrats?). Americans are rising up against these fascists all across the nation, from young to old, educated to not so educated, professionals and non-professionals, retired and working, wealthy and not so wealthy, Obama voters and not Obama voters. In other words, a broad spectrum of people.

So, what do the idiocrats like Pelositox do about it? Why they just call them Nazis of course! It’s the idiocratic way! This is beyond low. This is PATHETIC.

http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/08/06/pelosi-crosses-the-line-calls-townhall-protesters-nazis/

Did anyone see any swastika patches or tattoos in those town halls? This is nothing more than desperation from a bunch of FAILED IDIOCRATS. We all know that the idiocratic way is to call loyal opposition “haters” or “racists” or “fear mongers” or “angry” or Nazis.” When you run out of ideas – as if idiocrats ever actually HAD any – just start the personal insults. Sounds familiar on this blog too, doesn’t it. But for a beauty of an irony twister, look who in 1997 trotted out an example of someone who would benefit from ShrillaryCare:

yberAlert. Tracking Media Bias Since 1996
| August 12, 1997 (Vol. Two; No. 127) |
“First, a reminder of what was reported in the July 29 CyberAlert. In a July 28 Washington Post story Howard Kurtz reported: “The West Virginia truck driver was trotted out by Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) and Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) as someone who would be helped by the Clinton tax plan. Rockefeller, clearly unaware of the tattoo, introduced the man as ‘a very close and personal friend.’
Kurtz noted that the swastika on the man’s wrist “was reported as a brief item only by the Hill, the Capitol Hill weekly, and by Associated Press Radio.” But everyone else skipped it. A CNN executive, Kurtz discovered, conceded a different standard would have applied to Gingrich: “A CNN producer phoned it in for Inside Politics, but on a busy day, said Washington Bureau Chief Frank Sesno, ‘like many other pieces of copy, it didn’t make it….I think it’s a story. Clearly if Newt Gingrich walked out with a guy with a swastika on his arm, people would have jumped all over it.’ Sesno said he would further examine the matter.”
Hahahaha! Elephants have memories, Idiotocrats.

So, the majority of Americans reject Hammer&SICKle Care. They aren’t stupid. They know that Medicare is FAILING; Medicade is FAILING; Social Security is FAILING; the US Post Office is FAILING; American government education is FAILING; just about everything the government has ever done on a massive scale has FAILED. Americans know that. Yet the Idiocratic Party is going to attempt to shut up the loyal opposition by labeling them as nazis. My guess is that the idiocratics will escalate their spineless counter to these opposers and call them “dangerous domestic terrorists.” Who wants to bet on it? We are already seeing the DNC put out LIES about those Americans at town hall meetings like saying they are funded by Republicans, are nothing but dangerous and angry “mobs” and other horsesassness – or should we say jackassness? And who wants to bet said town hall meetings will have participant litmus tests from now on?

The idiocratics do not know how to handle opposition. Instead of having the courage to stand up for themselves and what they believe in, they just attempt to cut down those that oppose them with falsely childish, no, STUPID labeling. Their arrogance, willful and wonton contempt for fellow Americans who do not agree with them (and having less contempt for radical Islamic terrorists at Gitmo), and their sheer hypocrisy will be their downfall of power. All you need to do is sit back and watch them implode. After all, there are more Conservatives than Liberals in this nation, and there are more Moderates than either. Obama ran as a Moderate and has turned hard left – steered hard left is more like it by Pelositox & Bidenplugs and various Chicago political goons. Americans will reject this. The warning flares have been fired, but the arrogance of the Idiocratic Party will ignore them right into history books of defeat.

And on a quick note, that Taxpayer Cash For Clunkers (let’s just call it what IT IS) has benefited Toyota the most as the Corolla has now passed Ford’s Fusion to take the #1 sales slot in the program. Rounding out the top five in order is the Honda Civic, Toyota Prius, and Toyota Camry. Four of the top five are foreign car manufacturers (now watch the idiocratics suddenly start saying that the Toyota Camry is made in America when they ignored that fact for years because they are non-union). In any event, it looks like the nearest Democratic Motors car is ranked 10th with the Chevrolet Cobalt. Democratic Motors sales, by the way, were down nearly 20% in July from that month last year. Aren’t you so glad YOUR TAX DOLLARS went to bail them out?

But don’t look to the Idiocratic Party to tell you what’s going on with it:

By BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE, Associated Press Writer Brett J. Blackledge, Associated Press Writer – Tue Aug 4, 4:46 pm ET
WASHINGTON (AP) – The Obama administration is refusing to quickly release government records on its “cash-for-clunkers” rebate program that would substantiate — or undercut — White House claims of the program’s success, even as the president presses the Senate for a quick vote for $2 billion to boost car sales. The Transportation Department said it will provide the data as soon as possible but did not specify a time frame or promise release of the data before the Senate votes whether to spend $2 billion more on the program.
–A Moblican

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Moblican

August 6th, 2009
12:42 pm

And they call us nazis. Didn’t Hitler ask citizens to watch each other and rat them out of they spoke out against Nazism? These people are incredulous. It is astounding to watch this happen before our eyes. Aren’t you glad Obama is such a uniter?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/state/stories/DN-cornynflag_06nat.ART.State.Edition1.4bb4d44.html

Moblican

August 6th, 2009
12:53 pm

Aren’t you glad that stimulus is working as told to us by Obama when saying it will produce ‘immediate results’ to create jobs and halt job losses. That was SIX MONTHS ago folks. But of course, its all W’s fault. Just run around in town hall meetings bashing Bush – that will increase his popularity.

“The jobless rate was seen climbing to 9.6 percent — the highest since June 1983 — from 9.5 percent in June, as employers remain reluctant to hire because of depressed demand.”

Now you just have to love the way the idiocrat media plays up news under Obama:

“Initial claims for state unemployment insurance fell 38,000 to a seasonally adjusted 550,000 in the week ended August 1 from 588,000 the prior week, the Labor Department said.”

Oh, so only a half million and some change lost their jobs last week. Here’s how that news would have read had it been under Bush:

“Initial claims for state unemployment insurance continued into bleakness for suffering Americans with a seasonally adjusted 550,000 in the week ended August 1, the Labor Department said.”

If you don’t think the media helped Obama get elected, you are an idiocrat.

@@

August 6th, 2009
3:21 pm

Well, Jim, the car we bought WAS a Ford Focus. Leave it to my husband to know what he’s doing — screwing the government for their incompetence. Obviously many others were thinking along the same vein. Buying from the bailed-outs would be like buying a car with our own money.

Success is its own reward.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 6th, 2009
5:54 pm

Never have so many ignorant people, whose grasp of what is quality medical care does not extend beyond their ability to pee and take a dump muttered about quality medical care. There are huge gaps in the quality of medical care now. It would be a pleasure to take each and every one of them and demonstrate they don’t have a child’s grasp of what is quality cardiac, pulmonary or infectiousdisease care. They may get a chance in 2 months as a more virulent H1N1 beats a vaccine with efficacy to the tape. Georgia is one of the least prepared states if H1N1 2.0 mimics some of the deadly flus of the past. It’s safe to say that most of these wingnut whack jobs are in the last group to get vaccinated as well. Wooten is. Unless like Saxby Chumpass you can fake significant chronic ailments. No doubt you all will try.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 6th, 2009
5:59 pm

There are a lot of moronic Rush clones here–on the fringe with hate speech. It lost you 2008, and it will lose you 2010 and 2012.

“Hammer and sickle” medical care means precisely what moron Moblican. LOL Define what you consider quality medical care. This country is about 30th in the world in every frigging category of medical efficacy. Every physician’s organization, including the 16.7% of the MD population is far a public health plan, and we will have it. It’s your insurance companies that are frightened to death about alternative care as I have clearly outlined.

The insurance companies don’t pay a lot of the bills but they collect the premiums–for years and you must be leading a sheltered life along with your wife if you think the insurance companies cheerfully pay all the bills.

NYT wrote an article yesterday that was profoundly stupid. It was about what a nice lady Karen Ignani, head of America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) is for being so cooperative about health care reform.

The title of Reed Abelson’s column, For Health Insurer’s Lobbyist, Good Will Is Tested, tells the story. AHIP, the Times tell us, has already voluntarily offered to change its most egregious practices, like excluding previously sick people, and to stop fraudulently rescinding polices when people get sick. How magnanimous.

And in return for these unilateral concessions, the Times tells its readers, the industry obtained . . . uh, nothing as far as Mr. Abelson knows.

Apparently the clueless Abelson doesn’t know, and the Times editors and fact checkers cannot recall, their own reporting that AHIP’s “concessions” agreeing to stop screwing the American people were offered in exchange for the following modest concessions:

1. We would not displace the bloated insurance companies with a single-payer system; indeed, we wouldn’t even allow that policy approach to be considered;

2. We would enlarge the market for AHIP, by requiring all individuals to acquire, and most employers to offer, (with some hardship exceptions) private health insurance from AHIP members;

3. The federal government would raise taxes to provide subsidies to low- to middle-income Americans, to help pay for the insurance company premiums, without further regulating the amount of the premiums;

4. The reform bills would delay the end of the most egregious insurance practices for several years, at least until 2013 and grandfather existing policies until 2018.

In the meantime, AHIP was left free to spend literally millions each week to buy Congressional votes/influence to stop any effort to force AHIP members to compete against a Medicare-like public insurance plan, which might require them to lower rates, abide by the new prohibitions, or lose market share. That means nothing will disturb the mega insurer’s stranglehold on the market.

As part of its “cooperation” in health care reform, AHIP lobbyists have done everything they can to delete the public option, and failing that to replace it with an ineffective co-op, and failing that to weaken any public-based competition, delay it, and restrict access to it.

But informing its readers is apparently not the goal of the Time’s editors on Hug AHIP Day, let alone the task of the clueless Abelson. Instead, Times editors knowingly hide all of these well-documented facts while delivering a tongue bath to Karen Ignani and AHIP, while telling us how unfair it is for Nancy Pelosi to call the industry a bunch of “villains.” Mean Pelosi apparently watches Bill Moyers’ Journal.

Each year, some 20,000 Americans die because they couldn’t afford health insurance or thought they had insurance but their insurers refused to cover them when they got sick. A million people will go bankrupt because they can’t afford insurance or because our private insurance system won’t pay their medical bills.

Mr. Bean

August 6th, 2009
6:35 pm

….“Hammer and sickle” medical care means precisely what moron Moblican. LOL Define what you consider quality medical care. This country is about 30th in the world in every frigging category of medical efficacy…..

I don’t know about anyone else, but I like my coverage as is. The only other thing I could possibly wish about it is that it be free. And the government taxing corporations and small business even more, not to mention taxing John Q. Public, not just the wealthy as has already been admitted by Democrats, is not going to help make things better. Could it be better? Yes. But for anyone to be so adamant that government can handle 20% of this nation is just not seeing through the forest. Finally, there are Canadians who come here for treatment because their government health care isn’t working for them. In addition, we’ve seen how government health care treats the elderly in European nations – let them die. No, the current proposal is not the answer. Go back to the drawing boards and do a little more in depth analysis and thought other than ramming something through just so Obama can have his legacy and be validated…..and we know that’s really all this is about right now. The fact that 80% of Americans happy with their coverage say it all. I think those people know a little more about what’s best for them than you or the government. And that’s the bottom line, as always.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 6th, 2009
7:25 pm

Status quo will:

1) Double to 2.5 your insurance premiums if you have it or the insurance premiums for your employees if you have them over the next few years.

2) If you get significantly ill–and require a very expensive surgery or medical extended program of care, you have an excellent chance of being dropped by your insurer.

3) If you lose your employment for whatever reason, your rates wll increase dramatically.

4) If you happen to be an individual who gets older with every passing day, the actuarial tables for years show that you have a dramatically increased chance for an illness. Everyone hopes that this will not happen to anyone–I can’t speak for Limbaugh.

5) The McCain-Palin lynch atmosphere by bussed in hired slobs may make you feel good for the moment, but it is going to hurt you badly in the upcoming votes as the Repubican votes against Sotomayor–bussing in snd paying 15-20 people to disrupt a meeting of 250 others who come to ask questions and get answers isn’t free speech–it’s a violation of criminal law and arrests are imminent.

There’s a reason they aren’t articulate–it’s the same reason why so many here aren’t articulate. They lack education, and reading is anathma–that’s the way they lived their childhood; it’s the way most of you live your lives.

Yelling “liar” over and over is pretty much what people who don’t understand health care reform do here, and its safe to say none of you are in the income brackets that might be taxed to fund universal health care.

The reason these bussed in ringers are fat slobs and slobesses in T-shirts is they don’t have a job and the few bucks that the lobbyists are paying them look mighty good. They don’t have jobs because they don’t qualify for any of them or are lazy white trash or the Bush economy ate them for 8 years.

Pill popping addicts on the radio screaming “Nazi” making absurd analogies while under the influence of opiates aren’t helping you. And much closer to Nazi government is universal illegal wiretapping and email tapping which both the Bush and Obama administrations deployed and are deploying right now. If you think you have anything private that’s electronic, you’re delusional.

6) Medicare’s financial problems can be traced in large part to the fact that unlike Northside, Piedmont, Emory, and CHOA all bid for pharmaceutical inventory as parts of a large consortium with the same leverege that Medicare was denied by Bill Frist and the Republicans to protect big pharma a few years ago. This is going to be changed. Right now, even with that kind of advantage and the prices that Tall who says he’s a conoisoire of custom derivatives, and all things investmentesque the private hospitals are feeling pain. Elective procedures are down dramatically. The plastic guys and girls are seeing the mandatory, ubiquitous way out of proportion boob jobs (until the chest looks like hamsters who need lithium wrestling) are down.

pansie liberal

August 6th, 2009
8:06 pm

“Pill popping addicts on the radio screaming “Nazi” making absurd analogies while under the influence of opiates aren’t helping you.”

It was Pelosi that made that inference, douchehole. And WTF do you think you are accomplishing here with all your wasted time anyway? You aren’t going to change Americans minds about your precious socialist health care toy wonder. If anything, your vitriolic posts are turning people further away from your disgusting, slobbering moonbatic lib left. And Sotomayor was a given. Everyone knew she was going in. Funny though, I don’t ever remember the DNC media proclaiming a “historic event” when Clarence Thomas was sworn to SCOTUS. And you trash holes on the left have no PROOF that Republicans bussed in town hall challengers; yeah that’s right punk, CHALLENGERS. Get over it. You know why there’s no proof? Because it took less than 24 hours for your fellow disgusting left wing ilk to go after Joe Plumber just for SPEAKING OUT. Yeah, go back to your roots, you disgusting sub-human.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 6th, 2009
9:56 pm

From the confused Bean:

I don’t know about anyone else, but I like my coverage as is. The only other thing I could possibly wish about it is that it be free. And the government taxing corporations and small business even more, not to mention taxing John Q. Public, not just the wealthy as has already been admitted by Democrats, is not going to help make things better.

If you get seriously ill, you will lose your coverage immediately under status quo. Whatcha gonna do then?

Where specifically in any bill that has cleared any House or Senate committee Bean, can you cite language that supports the phony delusions you’re spouting. Of the 2 committees in the Senate, one with a bill already, and 3 committees in the House.

There is nothing that taxes low to middle income individuals below $250 grand a year or small businesses.

a) Your coverage you want will change. However you get very sick and they’ll cancel you before you can blink.

b) Where can you site in any bill that says what you have claimed is in any health care plan since none of the five committees 2 in the Senate and 3 in the House have not finalized a bill. Then the House and the Senate have to finalize a bill. That’d be steps 6 & 7. Then the Conference Committee would have to report a bill which would have to be passed by both House and Senate. That’s 8 Steps before the House and Senate vote on a final bill.

If you’re not sitting on Madam Ashley’s lap when she reads palms in the shack behind the tires and pink flamingos on the lawn, how in the hell are you getting this info you make up, and where in the hell are you getting it from?

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 6th, 2009
10:03 pm

To make it simple Bean–you’re coverage wouldn’t change. And only one of five committees has reported their committee’s bills–thats the Health Committee in the Senate that Dodd chairs in the absence of Ted Kennedy.

None of the other five committees has reported a bill. Waxman’s committee finished a markup not a bill last Friday.

So Bean– Where in the hell is your information coming from since there are no bills yet except a proposal from one Senate Committee?

Making it up is default among wingnuts here who are about the level of the bused in minimum wage idiots that shout in town hall meetings because they can’t get a job.

I’m sure since there are no bills from 4/5 committees, and the House and Senate, and the Conference Committee yet, that you have no authority for your self-inflicted fear stoking except your own delusions.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 6th, 2009
10:17 pm

@ Pansie delusional:

Yo slob in a T-shirt like the bussed in yokels–do you have any specific idea aboout health care or are you obsessed with me? If you take your fat slob butt into a Purdue or Handle meeting and act out like the bussed in astro turf hired hands, you’ll be promptly arrested. Try it.

It was Limbaugh who made the inference to Nazis and he made it today and video is all over you tube and cable. And I understand your ignorance–your mommy taught you to use the term douchole and you are a 3 year old in a fat adult body.

You’re way too stupid to know the difference between “challengers” who have no specifics and try to shout people down, who have no jobs, and who are bussed in and paid minimum wage by lobbyists who are as stupid and inarticulate as you are.

You ought to get that fat addict Limbaugh off the air. He’s the leader of your party and you lose every election. You’ll lose in 2010 and 2012 because of imbeciles like him.

I’ve spent all of five minutes here today. WTF do you think you’re accomplishing except displaying your total white trash ignorance?

To the extent you’re angry and can’t do a damn thing about it, and my party wins votes and setst the agenda I’m accomplishing something real. To the extent yours doesn’t get anything done and has no ideas, you’re jerking yourself off.

Elections have consequences and you’re seeing them. Sotomayor has a very conservative voting record from the 2nd Circuit in fact but you’re way too dumb to know where to find her opinions. You wouldn’t know a Federal Reporter if it hit you in your T-shirt wearin’ slob ass. “Stop socialized medicine but don’t touch my Medicare right?”

We have two more appointments coming after Sotomayor and your white hick numbnuts brain doesn’t like her because she looks like John Roberts’ hired domestic help.

Clarence Thomas wasn’t a historic event. You see Thurgood Marshall was the first African American on the Court unless you consider the fact that in 18 years Thomas has not asked a question or burped during oral argument because he’s so stupid he’s afraid other justices would rip him apart. His law clkers carry his Scalia puppy dog agenda.