Good news in the ‘clunker’ giveaway

Let’s see how this works:  The federal government  switches on the printing press to crank out $1 billion which is then given to individuals to buy cars preferred by the government from companies owned by the government, obligating those too young to drive, as well as the unborn, to pay off the printing press dollars. 

it’s a very popular program and, of course, politicians in power wish to continue it, doubling it to $2 billion by shifting printing-press dollars from a “renewable energy” loan program. While a number of Republicans oppose the Cash for Clunkers giveaway, Democrats can pass it at will.  If they come up a little shy on the vote count, Maine’s two Republicans, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe, are always ready to cross the aisle.

The encouraging news in the clunkers deal, as far as I’m concerned, is that the leading replacement vehicle, according to Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood is the Ford Focus, a vehicle produced by a private-sector automobile company.  Ford reports that  its July sales were up 2.4 percent over the same month in 2008, the first year-over-year sales increase in 19 months. 

Even though it is a $3,500-to-$4,500 per car taxpayer subsidy and it does amount to corporate welfare and it does come at the expense of the quality of life of chilldren unborn, the kernel of good news is that all of the money is not going into the coffers of government car companies.  Ford’s free-enterprise engineers and designers have brought forth a car that people want, just as they all used to do — well, maybe not American Motors — before government took over the industry.

It is printing-press money and the deficit this year will be at least $1.8 trillion and it is stealing from the future for current consumption, but all that said, it’s better to spend the billions on clunker deals than to throw it away on pork projects as much of the $787 billion “stimulus” does.

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Tall

August 5th, 2009
10:21 pm

To “Reconciliation….it’s obvious that you were educated in Fulton County Schools. “Judge Shoob kicks Bush SEC in the nuts….the SEC is a Federal agency that has been around for a long time. If you didn’t notice, President Obama appointed former CFTC Chairperson Mary Shapiro(under the Bush Administration) to oversee the SEC….as if it will make a difference. For those of you who take comfort in “Better Oversight”…forget it. If a crook wants to steal…HE WILL!! Regulations mean nothing to a bad guy. Bernie Madoff perpetuated this scheme for years. No one from the SEC did so much as a basic audit. They – the SEC officials who should have caught Madoff – should be in prison with him. Remember the Long Term Capital Management debacle? That happend under the Clinton administration’s watch. Is it Billy’s fault? No. It’s the SEC.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 5th, 2009
10:30 pm

To “Tall”–

I’d love to take your money based on your delusions about what’s obvious. Fortunately I wasn’t “educated” in any schools in Fulton County or Georgia and the schools where I did get education are ranked infinitely higher than any here. Georgia ranks last or next to last every year in any venue or ranking, but where I was educated has nothing to do with sticking to the point on issues like health care, economics, etc.

The SEC has been a joke for a long time, and what Shoob did was appropriate. They were blind, deaf, and dumb in their dealings with Madoff and if the SEC pursues an individual, and there was a recent chronicle of this in NYT and the individual chooses to fight as one attorney did, rather than say whatever they want to make them go away, you may win (I’d be be happy to find the link) but your finances will most likely be devestated and your business destroyed, much like the federal legal system for most individuals any

Tall

August 5th, 2009
10:45 pm

“Stomp the blah, blah, blah…”Pick any medical or legal topic. You’re an obsessive paster. You have no ideas. You know zero about medicine–could not get through a pre-med program/or a humanities major and get into med school. You would not last past the first round of testsin the first year of med school, and you’d wet your pants after one night on call or catching patients in an ER.” You don’t either. I’m married to a nurse with 18 years of experience at CHOA – Scottish Rite. She’ll clean your clock in a NYC minute. We socialize with physicians, nurses and administrators. My background is in insurance. Your rants are nothing but populist bile without any hard facts. Insurance companies just can’t cancel someone because they have bad claim experience. There are numerous lawyers out there who would love to have that fight on their hands. For many years, I’ve been fortunate to enjoy good health. In the last seven months, however, things have changed. I’ve had surgery for an appendectomy, a detached retina, melanoma, and a deep laceration. The aggregate expenditures have been about $30,000. Blue Cross of GA has paid them all and I’m still with them. The bill from North Side Hospital for the appendectomy was almost comical in it’s egregiousness. A twenty seven hour visit cost $12,500. The drugs alone were $4,500. Who determined that one? The surgeon’s fee for 90 minutes of work was $2500. He is a good surgeon and I’m glad to have had him, but $2500? Everyone in this country wants the best health care available.
But they all want someone else to pay for it. The hard choices are coming. The insurers are easy to villify, but they pay the bills. If you think that upper income taxpayers are some vast resource to tax forever, guess again. When the bill comes due for this idiocy, we’ll see how glib you are.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 5th, 2009
10:49 pm

“anyway” was what I was typing before this idiot website refreshed on its own. LOL this is the only website I’ve ever seen where you make a comment and have to refresh it ten timt.es before you see the comment. And I’m not the lone ranger in that respect.

I know who Mary Shapiro is and her CV, (her career starting with Reagan’s appointing her to the SEC Board), and it remains to be seen how the SEC performs going forward. Ruthie has made 125 wire transfers out of Madoff’s accounts here and abroad until the feds finally seized some of them. Has it occured to you that after 50 years those feeder fund tentacles/eliptical connections will never be traced. There is anywhere from 65 billion to 175 billion give or take a couple out there and very little of it will be recovered. Should every last person who lost money of any income group have done due diligence on Madoff? You betcha but greed dulls a lot of senses.

Many Madoffs and the neice should be in prison and so should Ruth.

It’s very strange here to have someone direct a comment to you and the worst name they call you is “educated in Fulton schools” even though you were dead wrong. I didn’t go to school in Jaw Jaw. From what I see even in kids headed to Ivy league schools are with good grades Metro Hotlanta schools, I’m fortunate in that regard. None of them can write, and they’ve read few books in their lives. They spend a lot more time jerking off on Twitter and their Facebook pages.

I remember LTC. I also remember Senate Finance musical chairs with Grassly, Baucus, both equally bad and Roth and Packwood before them who flew things into the ground.

Tall

August 5th, 2009
11:01 pm

To “Repubs”…delusions about what? You’re going to take my money? Guess again. Reread my post.
If you have the time, read a book called “When Genius Failed”. You might learn something. I have many years of experience in trading futures, options, equities, fixed income and derivatives. The SEC is an organization of accountants and lawyers who don’t understand the business models of capital managers or hedge funds. The SEC shows up two years after the house burned down. Remember the late Kirk Wright? That episode could have been stopped much sooner than had happened. Same with Madoff.

Tall

August 5th, 2009
11:13 pm

s very strange here to have someone direct a comment to you and the worst name they call you is “educated in Fulton schools” even though you were dead wrong. I didn’t go to school in Jaw Jaw. From what I see even in kids headed to Ivy league schools are with good grades Metro Hotlanta schools, I’m fortunate in that regard. None of them can write, and they’ve read few books in their lives. They spend a lot more time jerking off on Twitter and their Facebook pages.”

You might think about a remedial course in English composition for yourself. And, I didn’t call you a name…I am simply speculating about your educational background.

Tall

August 5th, 2009
11:16 pm

Good night!!!

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 6th, 2009
12:03 am

Says LOL Mr. Tall: “You don’t either. I’m married to a nurse with 18 years of experience at CHOA – Scottish Rite. She’ll clean your clock in a NYC minute. We socialize with physicians, nurses and administrators. My background is in insurance. Your rants are nothing but populist bile without any hard facts. Insurance companies just can’t cancel someone because they have bad claim experience. There are numerous lawyers out there who would love to have that fight on their hands.”

Care to take a swing my man on why Bill Frist and Billy Tauzen passed a bill that forbids Medicare from negotiating for the price of meds the way your recent hospital NSH or Emory or your wife’s hospital does when they purchase their pharmaceutical inventory through a consortium and people wonder why there is a donnut gap between what people can get with their insurance and what they don’t get that they need because of the cost? CHOA is part of the Emory consortium that can negotiate for the price of drugs that the pharmaceutical companies don’t want Medicare to be able to do. BTW tell those slobs on a bus the insurance companies are paying minimum wages to rail like they are brain injured that Medicare is in fact, a government program. They have been yelling the government will take away the program that is the government’s and that Reagan said among a lot of stupid things played on a record the other night would be a total failure. It’s not perfect, but its far from a failure and pretty successful for many people.

Nope– my statement is called years of clinical experience period. I’ve seen it. And I call that hard facts. You want me to link the study of the 20,000 cancellations you claim doesn’t exist? I’ve done it several times here. I haven’t seen any insurance company execs screwed by their carriers–but I have seen attorneys screwed out the wazoo as patients or their families. You haven’t been specific which of these categories you fall in,possibly defense attorney for insurance companies or perhaps or insurance exec, but whatever. Why don’t you get very specific???

The insurance companies don’t pay a lot of the bills but they collect the premiums–for years and you must be leading a sheltered life along with your wife if you think the insurance companies cheerfully pay all the bills.

NYT wrote an article yesterday that was profoundly stupid. It was about what a nice lady Karen Ignani, head of America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) is for being so cooperative about health care reform.

The title of Reed Abelson’s column, For Health Insurer’s Lobbyist, Good Will Is Tested, tells the story. AHIP, the Times tell us, has already voluntarily offered to change its most egregious practices, like excluding previously sick people, and to stop fraudulently rescinding polices when people get sick. How magnanimous.

And in return for these unilateral concessions, the Times tells its readers, the industry obtained . . . uh, nothing as far as Mr. Abelson knows.

Apparently the clueless Abelson doesn’t know, and the Times editors and fact checkers cannot recall, their own reporting that AHIP’s “concessions” agreeing to stop screwing the American people were offered in exchange for the following modest concessions:

1. We would not displace the bloated insurance companies with a single-payer system; indeed, we wouldn’t even allow that policy approach to be considered;

2. We would enlarge the market for AHIP, by requiring all individuals to acquire, and most employers to offer, (with some hardship exceptions) private health insurance from AHIP members;

3. The federal government would raise taxes to provide subsidies to low- to middle-income Americans, to help pay for the insurance company premiums, without further regulating the amount of the premiums;

4. The reform bills would delay the end of the most egregious insurance practices for several years, at least until 2013 and grandfather existing policies until 2018.

In the meantime, AHIP was left free to spend literally millions each week to buy Congressional votes/influence to stop any effort to force AHIP members to compete against a Medicare-like public insurance plan, which might require them to lower rates, abide by the new prohibitions, or lose market share. That means nothing will disturb the mega insurer’s stranglehold on the market.

As part of its “cooperation” in health care reform, AHIP lobbyists have done everything they can to delete the public option, and failing that to replace it with an ineffective co-op, and failing that to weaken any public-based competition, delay it, and restrict access to it.

But informing its readers is apparently not the goal of the Time’s editors on Hug AHIP Day, let alone the task of the clueless Abelson. Instead, Times editors knowingly hide all of these well-documented facts while delivering a tongue bath to Karen Ignani and AHIP, while telling us how unfair it is for Nancy Pelosi to call the industry a bunch of “villains.” Mean Pelosi apparently watches Bill Moyers’ Journal.

Each year, some 20,000 Americans die because they couldn’t afford health insurance or thought they had insurance but their insurers refused to cover them when they got sick. A million people will go bankrupt because they can’t afford insurance or because our private insurance system won’t pay their medical bills.

Seeing patients day in and out first in ERs for years and then in an office isn’t exactly “populous bile” but LOL whatever you want to delude yourself it is, I’ve watched the insurance companies evolve into treating physicians and patients like dirt and so have a lot of my collegues who would laugh at your dismissal. That’s why they’re pushing a public plan

I wonder if your wife is aware of the nights people like myself spent on Pill Hill down the street from her in the ER when St. Joe’s CCU was full, and North Side’s was full, and Piedmont’s was full but my patient was in the ER with an evolving MI. I wonder if she was across the street and down the street when I had eto open a kid’s chest in the ER who had tragically crashed into a phone pole off Ashford Dunwoody because it was very wet and he was trying to get his paper route done before getting to Marist. I didn’t have a rib cutter, so I had to literally knock down the OR doors that were locked and run back to the ER to do open cardiac massage to try to save the kid with an epidural hematoma so that the neurosurgeon could operate on him. I wonder if your wife was there when I CPR’d the little girl who had grabbed mommy’s hair dryer that was plugged in resting on the corner of a tub while taking a bath and was electrocuted and drowned at the same time with water filling both her lungs. She graduated at the top of her class, and the literature said we had 11% chance of getting her out alive without severe CNS damage. Her mom was a head nurse. The best thing that happened that day was that I had a few minutes before 10 docs flooded the room. Too many cooks, particularly in that year…

I didn’t notice your wife with me when I fought to get CPR drugs on the truck for all the EMTs going to her hospital and every other one in Region III and had to inservice the EMTs to get their trucks armed with those critical care drugs–including the ones that go to her hospital–especially hard in the day when many docs were afraid of EMTs and wanted them to remain as hearses instead of begin treatment on the road or in the living room when time is very critical in an MI or an epidural hematoma.

I can’t wait for your wife to “clean my clock” in a New York minute becaiuse of course, my head is filled with populist bile instead of years of experience and accumulated skill. Dream on. Whatever floats your boat.

I don’t know about your socializing buddies, but we’re going to have one and they’ll be much better off. We’re going to lower the patent life of name brands, and that should help your large pharmacy bill in the future. Tauzin wants to keep screwing you.

I know you love your wife, the RN, and I value her service on Pill Hill and learned much from nurses beginning with med school, through residency and later. My comment is aimed at the people here who want to do nothing but play the name games that we all played under 10 years of age that were a right of passage. I wasn’t aware medicine was a contest, but I’d be delighted to go one on one with your wife and her buddies as life lines for money. You must believe either I’m awfully dumb after a lot of years of clinical experience or physicians aren’t very well educated or don’t keep up conscientiously as a rule. I value nurses, and the skills often overlap, particularly in units but they are a quantum leap different as your wife would find out if she tried to do a residency and med school. I know you have heard stories for years about this idiot doc or that idiot doc, but we heard them all through school and residency.

I think there is a quantitative difference in 4 years of med school and 5-6 years or residency and 3 years of med school, but having said that MDs just out of school think they know a lot, and they begin to gcet a grip many years later after clinical experience.

I don’t believe you advocate going to a meeting regardless of the party you subscribe to and yelling down the speaker without letting questions and answers take place but insurance companies are funding those astro-turfed slobs. Karen Ignani, head of America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) arg e funding these “on the bus” idiot disrupters of town hall meeting, and your collegues here can’t tell the difference between asking a question or yelling the way someone does after a severe temporal lobe injury or a pre-frontal lobotomy. Maybe you think that tactic is helping insurance companies.

What determined your pharmacy bill was the egregigious markup of the hospital pharmacy–I’ve reviewed charts that would knock your socks off and correlated them with bills that were amazing. I could buy some of the items from Kroeger or Publix for a slim fraction of the cost. The reflex defense by Billy Tauzin and many pharmaceutical companies is that it’s all “R&D”, but a good chunk of it is marketing. Thats one way hospitals, who are losing elective surgery in this economy are trying to make money and always have.

So you think that it’s a myth that the Top 3 Insurance companies cancelled 20,000 people in the past 5 years when they got sick and that the non-partisan congressional report that documented it was a phony is that correct? You think I’m pretending that people with the diseases I named get cancelled every day because they get sick? You were covered and not cancelled because you’re in the insurance industry. Others are not that fortunate. The 20,000 weren’t.

When I did 7 years as an ER physician, and I had what I thought was a serious complex case with a kid, I called some of their ER docs and bounced my treatment off of them and asked them if they would have added, done things differently, and particularly when there were new treatments or procedures–I wanted to know their opinion–and we were all reading the same journals. We didn’t have devices where you could hit the web from your pocket in those days unfortunately anI wasn’t trying to get things fixed at Redmond by the time Win 7 SP1 is out or Office 2010. PCs, Macs, and Linux weren’t ubiquitous. It would have saved a helluva lot of time and sped my learning curve.

I’m hope your melanoma was caught early, and that the result will be a good one. I’m sorry about the deep laceration and the detached retina.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 6th, 2009
12:07 am

You might think about a remfedial course in English composition for yourself. And, I didn’t call you a name…I am simply speculating about your educational background.

Your conflating spelling typos Tall ole buddy with the ability to write. I’ve written a lot of journal articles for major journals and they weren’t corrected a scintilla. I am not running this blog comment in my spare time through Word 2010. I did an honors major in English at a good school along with a double major in chem for pre-med. How ’bout you Tall?

Be specific as to what sentences need remedial LOL English composition. Be delighted to match my vocabulary and composition against you and your socializing docs and your wife’s anytime.

Like most pubtards here, you criticize but can’t butress your mud slinging with any facts.

You work for an insurance company or do defense work for them?

Moblican

August 6th, 2009
12:29 pm

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Well just look at what we have here. It appears the Idiocratic Party is having a meltdown over Americans rejecting Hammer&SICKle Care (get it you slow wit idiocrats?). Americans are rising up against these fascists all across the nation, from young to old, educated to not so educated, professionals and non-professionals, retired and working, wealthy and not so wealthy, Obama voters and not Obama voters. In other words, a broad spectrum of people.

So, what do the idiocrats like Pelositox do about it? Why they just call them Nazis of course! It’s the idiocratic way! This is beyond low. This is PATHETIC.

http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/08/06/pelosi-crosses-the-line-calls-townhall-protesters-nazis/

Did anyone see any swastika patches or tattoos in those town halls? This is nothing more than desperation from a bunch of FAILED IDIOCRATS. We all know that the idiocratic way is to call loyal opposition “haters” or “racists” or “fear mongers” or “angry” or Nazis.” When you run out of ideas – as if idiocrats ever actually HAD any – just start the personal insults. Sounds familiar on this blog too, doesn’t it. But for a beauty of an irony twister, look who in 1997 trotted out an example of someone who would benefit from ShrillaryCare:

yberAlert. Tracking Media Bias Since 1996
| August 12, 1997 (Vol. Two; No. 127) |
“First, a reminder of what was reported in the July 29 CyberAlert. In a July 28 Washington Post story Howard Kurtz reported: “The West Virginia truck driver was trotted out by Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) and Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) as someone who would be helped by the Clinton tax plan. Rockefeller, clearly unaware of the tattoo, introduced the man as ‘a very close and personal friend.’
Kurtz noted that the swastika on the man’s wrist “was reported as a brief item only by the Hill, the Capitol Hill weekly, and by Associated Press Radio.” But everyone else skipped it. A CNN executive, Kurtz discovered, conceded a different standard would have applied to Gingrich: “A CNN producer phoned it in for Inside Politics, but on a busy day, said Washington Bureau Chief Frank Sesno, ‘like many other pieces of copy, it didn’t make it….I think it’s a story. Clearly if Newt Gingrich walked out with a guy with a swastika on his arm, people would have jumped all over it.’ Sesno said he would further examine the matter.”
Hahahaha! Elephants have memories, Idiotocrats.

So, the majority of Americans reject Hammer&SICKle Care. They aren’t stupid. They know that Medicare is FAILING; Medicade is FAILING; Social Security is FAILING; the US Post Office is FAILING; American government education is FAILING; just about everything the government has ever done on a massive scale has FAILED. Americans know that. Yet the Idiocratic Party is going to attempt to shut up the loyal opposition by labeling them as nazis. My guess is that the idiocratics will escalate their spineless counter to these opposers and call them “dangerous domestic terrorists.” Who wants to bet on it? We are already seeing the DNC put out LIES about those Americans at town hall meetings like saying they are funded by Republicans, are nothing but dangerous and angry “mobs” and other horsesassness – or should we say jackassness? And who wants to bet said town hall meetings will have participant litmus tests from now on?

The idiocratics do not know how to handle opposition. Instead of having the courage to stand up for themselves and what they believe in, they just attempt to cut down those that oppose them with falsely childish, no, STUPID labeling. Their arrogance, willful and wonton contempt for fellow Americans who do not agree with them (and having less contempt for radical Islamic terrorists at Gitmo), and their sheer hypocrisy will be their downfall of power. All you need to do is sit back and watch them implode. After all, there are more Conservatives than Liberals in this nation, and there are more Moderates than either. Obama ran as a Moderate and has turned hard left – steered hard left is more like it by Pelositox & Bidenplugs and various Chicago political goons. Americans will reject this. The warning flares have been fired, but the arrogance of the Idiocratic Party will ignore them right into history books of defeat.

And on a quick note, that Taxpayer Cash For Clunkers (let’s just call it what IT IS) has benefited Toyota the most as the Corolla has now passed Ford’s Fusion to take the #1 sales slot in the program. Rounding out the top five in order is the Honda Civic, Toyota Prius, and Toyota Camry. Four of the top five are foreign car manufacturers (now watch the idiocratics suddenly start saying that the Toyota Camry is made in America when they ignored that fact for years because they are non-union). In any event, it looks like the nearest Democratic Motors car is ranked 10th with the Chevrolet Cobalt. Democratic Motors sales, by the way, were down nearly 20% in July from that month last year. Aren’t you so glad YOUR TAX DOLLARS went to bail them out?

But don’t look to the Idiocratic Party to tell you what’s going on with it:

By BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE, Associated Press Writer Brett J. Blackledge, Associated Press Writer – Tue Aug 4, 4:46 pm ET
WASHINGTON (AP) – The Obama administration is refusing to quickly release government records on its “cash-for-clunkers” rebate program that would substantiate — or undercut — White House claims of the program’s success, even as the president presses the Senate for a quick vote for $2 billion to boost car sales. The Transportation Department said it will provide the data as soon as possible but did not specify a time frame or promise release of the data before the Senate votes whether to spend $2 billion more on the program.
–A Moblican

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Moblican

August 6th, 2009
12:42 pm

And they call us nazis. Didn’t Hitler ask citizens to watch each other and rat them out of they spoke out against Nazism? These people are incredulous. It is astounding to watch this happen before our eyes. Aren’t you glad Obama is such a uniter?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/state/stories/DN-cornynflag_06nat.ART.State.Edition1.4bb4d44.html

Moblican

August 6th, 2009
12:53 pm

Aren’t you glad that stimulus is working as told to us by Obama when saying it will produce ‘immediate results’ to create jobs and halt job losses. That was SIX MONTHS ago folks. But of course, its all W’s fault. Just run around in town hall meetings bashing Bush – that will increase his popularity.

“The jobless rate was seen climbing to 9.6 percent — the highest since June 1983 — from 9.5 percent in June, as employers remain reluctant to hire because of depressed demand.”

Now you just have to love the way the idiocrat media plays up news under Obama:

“Initial claims for state unemployment insurance fell 38,000 to a seasonally adjusted 550,000 in the week ended August 1 from 588,000 the prior week, the Labor Department said.”

Oh, so only a half million and some change lost their jobs last week. Here’s how that news would have read had it been under Bush:

“Initial claims for state unemployment insurance continued into bleakness for suffering Americans with a seasonally adjusted 550,000 in the week ended August 1, the Labor Department said.”

If you don’t think the media helped Obama get elected, you are an idiocrat.

@@

August 6th, 2009
3:21 pm

Well, Jim, the car we bought WAS a Ford Focus. Leave it to my husband to know what he’s doing — screwing the government for their incompetence. Obviously many others were thinking along the same vein. Buying from the bailed-outs would be like buying a car with our own money.

Success is its own reward.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 6th, 2009
5:54 pm

Never have so many ignorant people, whose grasp of what is quality medical care does not extend beyond their ability to pee and take a dump muttered about quality medical care. There are huge gaps in the quality of medical care now. It would be a pleasure to take each and every one of them and demonstrate they don’t have a child’s grasp of what is quality cardiac, pulmonary or infectiousdisease care. They may get a chance in 2 months as a more virulent H1N1 beats a vaccine with efficacy to the tape. Georgia is one of the least prepared states if H1N1 2.0 mimics some of the deadly flus of the past. It’s safe to say that most of these wingnut whack jobs are in the last group to get vaccinated as well. Wooten is. Unless like Saxby Chumpass you can fake significant chronic ailments. No doubt you all will try.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 6th, 2009
5:59 pm

There are a lot of moronic Rush clones here–on the fringe with hate speech. It lost you 2008, and it will lose you 2010 and 2012.

“Hammer and sickle” medical care means precisely what moron Moblican. LOL Define what you consider quality medical care. This country is about 30th in the world in every frigging category of medical efficacy. Every physician’s organization, including the 16.7% of the MD population is far a public health plan, and we will have it. It’s your insurance companies that are frightened to death about alternative care as I have clearly outlined.

The insurance companies don’t pay a lot of the bills but they collect the premiums–for years and you must be leading a sheltered life along with your wife if you think the insurance companies cheerfully pay all the bills.

NYT wrote an article yesterday that was profoundly stupid. It was about what a nice lady Karen Ignani, head of America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) is for being so cooperative about health care reform.

The title of Reed Abelson’s column, For Health Insurer’s Lobbyist, Good Will Is Tested, tells the story. AHIP, the Times tell us, has already voluntarily offered to change its most egregious practices, like excluding previously sick people, and to stop fraudulently rescinding polices when people get sick. How magnanimous.

And in return for these unilateral concessions, the Times tells its readers, the industry obtained . . . uh, nothing as far as Mr. Abelson knows.

Apparently the clueless Abelson doesn’t know, and the Times editors and fact checkers cannot recall, their own reporting that AHIP’s “concessions” agreeing to stop screwing the American people were offered in exchange for the following modest concessions:

1. We would not displace the bloated insurance companies with a single-payer system; indeed, we wouldn’t even allow that policy approach to be considered;

2. We would enlarge the market for AHIP, by requiring all individuals to acquire, and most employers to offer, (with some hardship exceptions) private health insurance from AHIP members;

3. The federal government would raise taxes to provide subsidies to low- to middle-income Americans, to help pay for the insurance company premiums, without further regulating the amount of the premiums;

4. The reform bills would delay the end of the most egregious insurance practices for several years, at least until 2013 and grandfather existing policies until 2018.

In the meantime, AHIP was left free to spend literally millions each week to buy Congressional votes/influence to stop any effort to force AHIP members to compete against a Medicare-like public insurance plan, which might require them to lower rates, abide by the new prohibitions, or lose market share. That means nothing will disturb the mega insurer’s stranglehold on the market.

As part of its “cooperation” in health care reform, AHIP lobbyists have done everything they can to delete the public option, and failing that to replace it with an ineffective co-op, and failing that to weaken any public-based competition, delay it, and restrict access to it.

But informing its readers is apparently not the goal of the Time’s editors on Hug AHIP Day, let alone the task of the clueless Abelson. Instead, Times editors knowingly hide all of these well-documented facts while delivering a tongue bath to Karen Ignani and AHIP, while telling us how unfair it is for Nancy Pelosi to call the industry a bunch of “villains.” Mean Pelosi apparently watches Bill Moyers’ Journal.

Each year, some 20,000 Americans die because they couldn’t afford health insurance or thought they had insurance but their insurers refused to cover them when they got sick. A million people will go bankrupt because they can’t afford insurance or because our private insurance system won’t pay their medical bills.

Mr. Bean

August 6th, 2009
6:35 pm

….“Hammer and sickle” medical care means precisely what moron Moblican. LOL Define what you consider quality medical care. This country is about 30th in the world in every frigging category of medical efficacy…..

I don’t know about anyone else, but I like my coverage as is. The only other thing I could possibly wish about it is that it be free. And the government taxing corporations and small business even more, not to mention taxing John Q. Public, not just the wealthy as has already been admitted by Democrats, is not going to help make things better. Could it be better? Yes. But for anyone to be so adamant that government can handle 20% of this nation is just not seeing through the forest. Finally, there are Canadians who come here for treatment because their government health care isn’t working for them. In addition, we’ve seen how government health care treats the elderly in European nations – let them die. No, the current proposal is not the answer. Go back to the drawing boards and do a little more in depth analysis and thought other than ramming something through just so Obama can have his legacy and be validated…..and we know that’s really all this is about right now. The fact that 80% of Americans happy with their coverage say it all. I think those people know a little more about what’s best for them than you or the government. And that’s the bottom line, as always.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 6th, 2009
7:25 pm

Status quo will:

1) Double to 2.5 your insurance premiums if you have it or the insurance premiums for your employees if you have them over the next few years.

2) If you get significantly ill–and require a very expensive surgery or medical extended program of care, you have an excellent chance of being dropped by your insurer.

3) If you lose your employment for whatever reason, your rates wll increase dramatically.

4) If you happen to be an individual who gets older with every passing day, the actuarial tables for years show that you have a dramatically increased chance for an illness. Everyone hopes that this will not happen to anyone–I can’t speak for Limbaugh.

5) The McCain-Palin lynch atmosphere by bussed in hired slobs may make you feel good for the moment, but it is going to hurt you badly in the upcoming votes as the Repubican votes against Sotomayor–bussing in snd paying 15-20 people to disrupt a meeting of 250 others who come to ask questions and get answers isn’t free speech–it’s a violation of criminal law and arrests are imminent.

There’s a reason they aren’t articulate–it’s the same reason why so many here aren’t articulate. They lack education, and reading is anathma–that’s the way they lived their childhood; it’s the way most of you live your lives.

Yelling “liar” over and over is pretty much what people who don’t understand health care reform do here, and its safe to say none of you are in the income brackets that might be taxed to fund universal health care.

The reason these bussed in ringers are fat slobs and slobesses in T-shirts is they don’t have a job and the few bucks that the lobbyists are paying them look mighty good. They don’t have jobs because they don’t qualify for any of them or are lazy white trash or the Bush economy ate them for 8 years.

Pill popping addicts on the radio screaming “Nazi” making absurd analogies while under the influence of opiates aren’t helping you. And much closer to Nazi government is universal illegal wiretapping and email tapping which both the Bush and Obama administrations deployed and are deploying right now. If you think you have anything private that’s electronic, you’re delusional.

6) Medicare’s financial problems can be traced in large part to the fact that unlike Northside, Piedmont, Emory, and CHOA all bid for pharmaceutical inventory as parts of a large consortium with the same leverege that Medicare was denied by Bill Frist and the Republicans to protect big pharma a few years ago. This is going to be changed. Right now, even with that kind of advantage and the prices that Tall who says he’s a conoisoire of custom derivatives, and all things investmentesque the private hospitals are feeling pain. Elective procedures are down dramatically. The plastic guys and girls are seeing the mandatory, ubiquitous way out of proportion boob jobs (until the chest looks like hamsters who need lithium wrestling) are down.

pansie liberal

August 6th, 2009
8:06 pm

“Pill popping addicts on the radio screaming “Nazi” making absurd analogies while under the influence of opiates aren’t helping you.”

It was Pelosi that made that inference, douchehole. And WTF do you think you are accomplishing here with all your wasted time anyway? You aren’t going to change Americans minds about your precious socialist health care toy wonder. If anything, your vitriolic posts are turning people further away from your disgusting, slobbering moonbatic lib left. And Sotomayor was a given. Everyone knew she was going in. Funny though, I don’t ever remember the DNC media proclaiming a “historic event” when Clarence Thomas was sworn to SCOTUS. And you trash holes on the left have no PROOF that Republicans bussed in town hall challengers; yeah that’s right punk, CHALLENGERS. Get over it. You know why there’s no proof? Because it took less than 24 hours for your fellow disgusting left wing ilk to go after Joe Plumber just for SPEAKING OUT. Yeah, go back to your roots, you disgusting sub-human.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 6th, 2009
9:56 pm

From the confused Bean:

I don’t know about anyone else, but I like my coverage as is. The only other thing I could possibly wish about it is that it be free. And the government taxing corporations and small business even more, not to mention taxing John Q. Public, not just the wealthy as has already been admitted by Democrats, is not going to help make things better.

If you get seriously ill, you will lose your coverage immediately under status quo. Whatcha gonna do then?

Where specifically in any bill that has cleared any House or Senate committee Bean, can you cite language that supports the phony delusions you’re spouting. Of the 2 committees in the Senate, one with a bill already, and 3 committees in the House.

There is nothing that taxes low to middle income individuals below $250 grand a year or small businesses.

a) Your coverage you want will change. However you get very sick and they’ll cancel you before you can blink.

b) Where can you site in any bill that says what you have claimed is in any health care plan since none of the five committees 2 in the Senate and 3 in the House have not finalized a bill. Then the House and the Senate have to finalize a bill. That’d be steps 6 & 7. Then the Conference Committee would have to report a bill which would have to be passed by both House and Senate. That’s 8 Steps before the House and Senate vote on a final bill.

If you’re not sitting on Madam Ashley’s lap when she reads palms in the shack behind the tires and pink flamingos on the lawn, how in the hell are you getting this info you make up, and where in the hell are you getting it from?

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 6th, 2009
10:03 pm

To make it simple Bean–you’re coverage wouldn’t change. And only one of five committees has reported their committee’s bills–thats the Health Committee in the Senate that Dodd chairs in the absence of Ted Kennedy.

None of the other five committees has reported a bill. Waxman’s committee finished a markup not a bill last Friday.

So Bean– Where in the hell is your information coming from since there are no bills yet except a proposal from one Senate Committee?

Making it up is default among wingnuts here who are about the level of the bused in minimum wage idiots that shout in town hall meetings because they can’t get a job.

I’m sure since there are no bills from 4/5 committees, and the House and Senate, and the Conference Committee yet, that you have no authority for your self-inflicted fear stoking except your own delusions.

Repubs Gowin' Down--They Be Crazy

August 6th, 2009
10:17 pm

@ Pansie delusional:

Yo slob in a T-shirt like the bussed in yokels–do you have any specific idea aboout health care or are you obsessed with me? If you take your fat slob butt into a Purdue or Handle meeting and act out like the bussed in astro turf hired hands, you’ll be promptly arrested. Try it.

It was Limbaugh who made the inference to Nazis and he made it today and video is all over you tube and cable. And I understand your ignorance–your mommy taught you to use the term douchole and you are a 3 year old in a fat adult body.

You’re way too stupid to know the difference between “challengers” who have no specifics and try to shout people down, who have no jobs, and who are bussed in and paid minimum wage by lobbyists who are as stupid and inarticulate as you are.

You ought to get that fat addict Limbaugh off the air. He’s the leader of your party and you lose every election. You’ll lose in 2010 and 2012 because of imbeciles like him.

I’ve spent all of five minutes here today. WTF do you think you’re accomplishing except displaying your total white trash ignorance?

To the extent you’re angry and can’t do a damn thing about it, and my party wins votes and setst the agenda I’m accomplishing something real. To the extent yours doesn’t get anything done and has no ideas, you’re jerking yourself off.

Elections have consequences and you’re seeing them. Sotomayor has a very conservative voting record from the 2nd Circuit in fact but you’re way too dumb to know where to find her opinions. You wouldn’t know a Federal Reporter if it hit you in your T-shirt wearin’ slob ass. “Stop socialized medicine but don’t touch my Medicare right?”

We have two more appointments coming after Sotomayor and your white hick numbnuts brain doesn’t like her because she looks like John Roberts’ hired domestic help.

Clarence Thomas wasn’t a historic event. You see Thurgood Marshall was the first African American on the Court unless you consider the fact that in 18 years Thomas has not asked a question or burped during oral argument because he’s so stupid he’s afraid other justices would rip him apart. His law clkers carry his Scalia puppy dog agenda.