Give us health tax deductions

Thinking Right’s weekend free-for-all. Pick a topic:

U.S. Rep. Tom Price (R-Roswell) drafts the national health care plan that Congress should consider. Tax credits and deductions give consumers money to purchase medical coverage in the private sector, shopping across state lines. State high-risk pools would cover those with existing medical problems. One vital feature, missing from the Democrats’ plans, are provisions to curtail excessive medical malpractice awards. It is a national policy calamity that a more open and honest congressional debate didn’t occur.

Don’t know Glenn Thomas, a candidate for mayor of Atlanta, but he offers a profound insight into taxes collected by one government and handed over to another to spend, specifically Atlanta’s spending of federal largesse. Said Thomas: “It’s not that we don’t have the money. We don’t know how to spend it.” He was speaking of the wasted $100 million Empowerment Zone money that the Clinton administration shoveled to Atlanta.

Same topic, different point. The Empowerment, now called Renewal Community, has about $37 million remaining and may have to return about $30 million to the feds at year’s end if it’s not spent. “The goal of the [Renewal Community] board is not to send any money back,” said Peggy Harper, board chairman. “We’re going to look for the most expedient way to spend the money.” In two sentences, Harper has just explained the failure of 99 percent of federal social programs – and how people end up in jail, though far less often than they should if federal programs were properly monitored.

You be the judge: The honesty of John Thompson, a 29-year state employee is so startling – “I do nothing” – that a) Diogenes works for Georgia or b) he’s really angry with superiors and wants somebody fired. You gotta admit, though, that moving him to a “do-nothing” job from “chief of operations” and giving him a 22 percent pay increase is the way that large corporations and big governments with too much money deal with their personnel problems.

East Point officials appear to be doing a commendable job of managing the city out of its recurring financial troubles, prompting the question of why City Council would now invite future financial trouble by recognizing a union, East Point Professional Firefighters Local 4717, to represent its fire department.

Other than newspapers, the single company I’d like most to see succeed is Ford Motor Co., which just posted second-quarter profits of $2.3 million. Executives there took the risk to borrow $23.5 billion in 2006 and 2007, putting the entire corporation on the line, to prepare for the downturn. No government bailout. That kind of free-enterprise risk-taking should be rewarded in the marketplace.

Fulton County’s new elections chief, Barry Garner, makes an outlandish promise. “We are not going to be the laughingstock of the election community anymore” by always being the last to get ballots counted,” said the brash young newcomer. He’d just as soon promise to end traffic congestion.

Oh, car hijackee and Atlanta City Councilman Ceasar Mitchell, was not the victim of crime; he was the victim of perception of crime. According to the mayor, the city’s “safer now than it has been in decades.” But people like Mitchell and Council President Lisa Borders seem to be noticing crime more.

The whole world knew when the shakedown of Big Tobacco succeeded that they’d be coming for the soft-drink and snack-food industries at the earliest opportunity. Answer the door, Maggie. They’ve come. The liberals at the Urban Institute, allegedly alarmed by increases in obesity, think a 10 percent tax on “fattening food” would “reduce consumption while raising more than $500 billion over 10 years.”

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Michael H. Smith

July 30th, 2009
7:46 pm

U.S. Rep. Tom Price draft is missing a few other items, namely the absence of the Private Public Co-Op healthcare option which companies or individuals could form, which is found in the GOP healthcare outline. A State high-risk pool is not enough.

clyde

July 30th, 2009
9:48 pm

Good evening Jim,
If the present mayor can’t spend the money,it must be unspendable.Send it to Ray Nagin.He’ll make it disappear along with e-mail.

By his own admission,John Thompson needs to be gone.

East Point can survive a union and prosper if everyone does things right.I’ve worked for and against unions and non-union companies all my life and unions are hardly the bugaboo that Jim likes to picture.The key is that both sides understand the rules and abides by them.When I say against,I mean I was in management.

I too want to see Ford succeed.They certainly deserve to,but the government and all it’s money and weight is pretty stiff competition.

I seriously doubt that Atlanta is safe.We won’t discuss degrees of safety.That would be like discussing how far along you are in a pregnancy.

As I’ve said on numerous occasions,The shakedown on Big Tobacco didn’t succeed.They’re still in the business of killing people.It needs to cease.

Most food is fattening when you over indulge.Cucumbers and watercress might be the exceptions.

GibbGA

July 30th, 2009
10:49 pm

While I rarely find myself in agreement with your positions, I almost always find your articles enlightening. For this one, let me say, “thank you” for the perception of crime jab. As we have all heard, perception is reality. In this case, it’s just real.

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
1:07 am

No co-op has been licensed in this country.

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
1:26 am

Price’s plan is totally stupid. It does nothing to stop recision which is to cut off palying insureds when they get sick. It does zero to cover everyone. It does zero to stop the bills a mastectomy patient incurs when she has surgery and chemo and her deductible turns out to be double what she was told in the fine print and her premiums triple.

Price’s plan does zero to reign in insurance companies destroying medical care or to control big pharma.

Price and Gingrey have been away from medicine a long time and it shows.

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
1:31 am

The shoes are beginning to drop into place and once again Wooten’s pride cedomes before he gets squished just as he crowed that Dumb and Dumber were beating Obama in 9/08.

WASHINGTON — The House Energy and Commerce Committee resumed work Thursday on major health care legislation, voting to establish a government-run health insurance plan, as top Republicans stepped up their criticism of the ambitious legislation.

By a vote of 35 to 24, Democrats defeated a Republican effort to eliminate a section of the bill that would create the public health insurance option.

“Our constituents should have the choice of a public plan,” said Representative Christopher S. Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut. “There is nothing to be scared of here. No one will be forced into the public plan.”

President Obama supports a public plan, saying it would foster competition and keep private insurers honest.

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
1:33 am

So much for the power of the Blue dog morons.

Gerald West

July 31st, 2009
6:41 am

Jim, your “health care” ideas are nonsense, just like the Republican politicians’. A large part of the American population are struggling financially just to get by. In case you haven’t heard, the standard of living of the working middle class has been declining for many years. Granting tax deductions and offering tax-deductible medical savings accounts are of no help for those who do not earn enough to pay high taxes or cannot afford to set aside money in a savings account. Nor does it reign in the cost of medical care for the government and individuals.

Everybody needs access to medical services, whether they are employed, unemployed, young, old, poor, or wealthy. A medical services plan that doesn’t provide that is worthless: just a ploy to continue the broken status quo.

Do you have any sense of social responsibility?

Road Scholar

July 31st, 2009
6:51 am

You shouldn’t criticize Barry Garner….yet. At least he has recognized a problem and has set a goal to correct it. That is a first step in cleaning up a mess. What has Gov Perdue done lately to be proactive with transportation, water, education…etc.?

Since you are such a problem solver, why don’t you get a job to correct other deficencies with government operations? Oh, yeah, I forgot that you are a commentater, who can only criticize…no responsibility!

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
7:34 am

A licensed Co Op in this country.

Founded in 1947, Group Health Cooperative is a consumer-governed, nonprofit health care system that coordinates care and coverage. Based in Seattle, Wash., Group Health and its subsidiary health carriers, Group Health Options, Inc. and KPS Health Plans, serve more than half a million residents of Washington state and Idaho.

http://www.ghc.org/about_gh/index.jhtml

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
7:48 am

What we keep hearing from the republicans (and Tom Price) is the Lewin Group has done a study…
which backs his and the republicans nonsensical stance….When confronted with who is the Lewin group he stammers and stutters, and he can’t come clean that the Lewin Group is owned and operated by United Health INSURANCE.

They talk about how the bureaucrats will be in the middle of you and your doctor….I say BS!

If you are now on medicare which I am, NO bureaucrat has stepped in between me and my doctor! The program is seamless, efficient, and effective. I have found it to be much better, and less costly then the insurance I had when I worked for a fortune 100 company.

The right wing as usual tries to scare anyone now on Blue Cross/Blue Shield…Kaiser etal with there blathering about socialized medicine….They have only one goal and that is to make sure the Insurance companies won’t have to compete. In other words lower there prices!

Wooten next time you see Price….ask him if we would vote yea or nay for Medicare.

Will

July 31st, 2009
7:50 am

Did you forget to include the price tag for this bloated gift to the taxpayer? According to Representative Price, his plan will cost “around 800 billion”. Of course we don’t have to worry because he has assured us the savings will pay for the cost.

Hmmm……sounds pretty just like someone else’s promises to me.

clyde

July 31st, 2009
7:52 am

Then there’s Healthpartners,based in Minnesota,Which is larger than Group Health Cooperative.

bob

July 31st, 2009
7:56 am

why did reconcillitation shut up after 7:34 ?

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
8:03 am

It really doesn’t matter what the Democrats or Republicans want. It is what the citizens of this country want that should determine the outcome of healthcare reform.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
8:13 am

Founded in 1957, the HealthPartners (www.healthpartners.com) family of healthcare companies serves more than one million medical and dental health plan members nationwide. It is the largest consumer-governed, nonprofit health care organization in the nation, providing care, coverage, research and education to improve the health of members, patients and the community. For the fourth year in a row, HealthPartners is rated one of the best commercial health plans in the nation by U.S. News & World Report, NCQA’s “America’s Best Health Plans 2007” and is ranked “Highest in Member Satisfaction among Commercial Health Plans in the Minnesota-Wisconsin Region” by J.D. Power and Associates.

http://www.linkedin.com/companies/healthpartners

jconservative

July 31st, 2009
8:13 am

The national health care plan that Congress should consider first is some solution to the baby boomers hitting Medicare & Medicaid in the next 10 years. In the next 20 years that is going to cost taxpayers $28 trillion (per the CBO). Not one Republican or Democratic member of Congress has introduced a single sentence on dealing with this problem.

Sweep the dirt under the rug & no one can see it! Is everyone happy with the incumbents they have been returning to Congress? Answer: yes you are happy. Why are you happy? Because they have an “R” or a “D” after they name on the ballot. Nothing else matters.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
8:32 am

There are solutions to the Medicare & Medicaid problem. One solutions is to move these patients into consumer ran Co-Op healthcare systems such as the two already mentioned and phase out these two government ran schemes. The problems now seen in Medicare & Medicaid should be clear evidence as to why this Public Option which really has no options, will result in the same fiscal disastrous outcome.

Same old, same old: Anytime we buy a claw hammer it cost $7 or less, when government buys that same $7 claw hammer for us, it will cost us $7,000 or more.

"Charles", The Original

July 31st, 2009
8:51 am

The Lord God Almighty has a controversy with the so-called educated integrationist Negroes and their minions. You know as well as I that there is no solution to criminality in Atlanta or other cities. If the Atlanta mayor puts an additional thousand police officers on the streets, it will prove to be futile. In order to reduce crime, there must be a bond of trust among the masses of people and their leadership. And God has to be on your side. Thanks to the so-called educated integrationist Negroes, neither exists. They were the casualties of involuntary integration.

Without question, young African Americans have no regard for the appointed so-called educated integrationist Negro leaders and their minions, and rightly so. After God Almighty had delivered the Negroes from the hands of their oppressors and placed them in the wilderness of separation, the so-called educated integrationist Negro leaders and their minions conspired against the masses. They delivered the masses of Negroes back into slavery via integration and called it freedom. And to further conceal these crimes from Negro children and their silly women, the centers of power in the United States award betrayers of common Negroes with money, plush jobs, status, awards, and Presidential Medals of so-called Freedom. But don’t despair. God is not mocked. Before all is said and done, the so-called educated integrationist Negroes and their minions will suffer the fate of Saddam Hussein.

The God of Israel has a controversy with the so-called educated integrationist Negroes and apostate Negro Christian leaders. God is using the language of crime and death in the cities to express his sore displeasure.

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

July 31st, 2009
9:03 am

DICK CHENEY SAID IN A SPEECH IN 2001 THAT IF YOU DONT MAKE 250,000 A YEAR YOU ARE NOT A REAL REPUBLICAN,SO POOR WHITE TRASH WHY ARE YOU A REPUBLICAN WHEN THE POOR WHITE TRASH ISNT GETTING ANY OF THE BENEFITS THAT THE RICH REPUBLICANS GET,ALSO ANYTIME REDNECKS LIKE JIMBO TOM PRICE AND PHIL GREEDY AGREE ON SOMETHING,IT MEANS THE GEORGIA TAX PAYER WILL BE SCREWED OVER!

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

July 31st, 2009
9:09 am

CHARLES YOU ARE RIGHT,MARTIN LUTHER KING TOLD ALL THOSE UNCLE TOMS LIKE JOE LOWERY JOHN LEWIS AND ANDY YOUNG NOT TO TAKE THE JOBS OR MONEY,BUT ONCE HE DIED ALL THOSE HOUSE NEGROES PLAYED STEP AND FETCHIT!JESSE JACKSON TO!

[...] what just showed up in Jim Wooten’s Thinking Right blog: Oh, car hijackee and Atlanta City Councilman Ceasar Mitchell, was not the victim of crime; he was [...]

"Charles", The Original

July 31st, 2009
9:11 am

Now I’m a servant of God. But if I were a young Negro, I would do crime too. Look, there are no black institutions available to feed, shelter, educate, employ, etc Negroes. When you find yourself in that position, you have three choices. You become an integrationist, do crime, or become a mongrel in order to survive.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
9:13 am

Hey Jim, and good morning all. How about 1 more topic?? The complete failure of the Cash for Clunkers program that was over in less than a week!!!

"Charles", The Original

July 31st, 2009
9:14 am

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP, you are exactly right. It’s really a sad state of affairs.

Mid-South Philosopher

July 31st, 2009
9:15 am

Good morning, Jim,

Tax deductions for health care are a joke for middle and lower middle class (economically speaking) working people…especially when you consider the % level that must be met before the deductions kick in. Instead, I agree with the tax credit idea of anything over $1000 in medical expenses.

Think the Congress or the President will go along with that?….Sure, right after you and I are invited to the White House for a beer, Jim! LOLOL!

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
9:19 am

Yep, objective journalism at its’ finest. Never let it be said that at the AJC any slant exist, nah. :lol:

Wooten never told us his birthplace was coal country West Virginia were the term REDNECKS originated and was applied to unionizing coal miners. That would probably make Wooten a HILLBILLY as well, seeing as how HILLBILLY applies to anyone from the Appalachians, which could be anyone from southern New York state to northern Alabama.

Wooten, heaven forbid, are you a Yankee too?

"Charles", The Original

July 31st, 2009
9:21 am

And you know white people in the south cautioned the so-called educated integrationist Negroes time and time again about the perils of integration. Yes many of them were racist, but they understood that Negroes were about to make a fatal mistake.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
9:21 am

@EVIL REPUBLICANS…(blah blah blah)-Why would i vote republican? Well, i may be poor white trash, but unlike you, i have a plan and more determination than you can imagine, I’ll be that rich guy one day, because all you Democrats need someone to lurch money from!

Aquagirl

July 31st, 2009
9:22 am

Maybe there would have been a more honest, open debate on health care if Obama hadn’t been so busy with the financial collapse. Cleaning up Dubya’s droppings requires a mighty big shovel. Plus, there is no honest and open debate when Republicans are more concerned about a “Waterloo” for the president. Nice to see such naked honesty from Jim DeMint(ed), why pretend the subject is health care?

Side note: Charles = living proof health care reform MUST include a mental health benefit.

No Fat Chicks!

July 31st, 2009
9:25 am

If taxing fatties’ food will keep some of it out of their chubby Jimmy-Dean-sausage fingers, senators, pass that bill!

"Charles", The Original

July 31st, 2009
9:28 am

Today, the so-called educated integrationist Negroes are more evil than southerners were sixty years ago. I think it’s God’s doings. White southerners have taken on the Godly temperament of Negroes and Negroes have taken on the devilish temperament of white Southerners sixty years ago.

Brad Steel

July 31st, 2009
9:30 am

So Price’s contribution to health care reform is a pork pie for the insurance industry?

Well, at least its not the typical republican contribution of “no” or the other republican health care plan: Plan on Not Getting Sick.

clyde

July 31st, 2009
9:33 am

Notice the words”consumer governed” in the cooperative, not for profit health care mentioned by Mr.Smith and self?Not insurance governed nor government sponsored,but ‘CONSUMER GOVERNED”.

Jake

July 31st, 2009
9:33 am

jcon – It’s in there. They want to create a health commission headed by a health czar to curtail future Medicare increases. With 70 million baby boomers about to enter the Medicare system in a couple of years, how do you think the czar/comission will curtail Medicare costs?

Tray

July 31st, 2009
9:34 am

Let us list what the government RUNS SUCCESSFULLY:

Schools-Nope
Medicare/Medicaid-Nope
Social Security-NOPE
(recently)Cash for Clunkers-NOPE

…And you people really want them to take ove rand run our healthcare?? When i just demostrated above that they can’t run anything successfully!!

What’s worse is that we actually have people in government (like our pres!)who do not look over legal documents before signing them, 1000 pages or not-that’s ACTING STUPIDLY!

"Charles", The Original

July 31st, 2009
9:41 am

Aquagirl is just another silly woman.

Negroes just don’t get it. Professor Gates believes that he should be afforded the privileges of a white person. Yet white people have institutions capable of sustaining the lives of white people. Black people can’t sustain their lives without the assistance of white people. How can the two people expect the same privileges or equal protection and treatment under the law?

I appreciate white people for allowing me the opportunity to work for them until I was able to establish a business of my own. I wish other Negroes had that outlook and attitude.

Matilda

July 31st, 2009
9:43 am

U.S. Rep. Tom Price (R-Roswell) drafts the national health care plan that Congress should consider. Says you because he’s your buddy. Or so you think. He’s USING you, like he uses all the other local media hacks who think he’s their buddy. You don’t think he actually sees you as an EQUAL, do you? Haha! “Darnit Jim, I’M A DOCTOR!” Power & money care about power and money, and your fortune is a tiny dribble next to his overflowing bucket. “Thanks for the years of faithful support, sucker.”

Tax credits and deductions give consumers money to purchase medical coverage in the private sector, shopping across state lines. GREAT! Oh, well, except for all those people to whom the insurance companies REFUSE coverage. Flat out. (Been there myself.) Dr. Price’s prescription for THAT common malady? A vague, non-commital reference to something socialized. Nothing to see here, folks. Move right along.

One vital feature, missing from the Democrats’ plans, are provisions to curtail excessive medical malpractice awards. One feature never included in any Republican discussion is the collective raping of doctors by insurance companies who reap record profits by doing so. It’s not the occasional mutilated patient killing medical practices, it’s the insurance companies with whom Dr. Price frolicks between the sheets and in random hot tubs. (Oh yes, his secrets are not entirely secret….)

It is a national policy calamity that a more open and honest congressional debate didn’t occur. AGREED! That should have happened years ago. Why DID the Republicans shut down every attempt to have that debate? I smell a column idea, Mr. Wooten!

Jackie

July 31st, 2009
9:45 am

@Charles

If you were a servant of God, YOU would provide means and methods for those young Negroes that are causing ALL those social problems with the rape and pillage of society that you purport they perpetuate.

I wonder if those that you purport hurt society most have come close to the carnage the Bernard Madoffs of the world left us?

When do you step forward and help those poor souls with your godly benevolence and astute observational skills?

I contend that you are a fraud and have neither the inclination nor the ability to provide anything positive to anyone. Further you only provide flatulence to a social-economic problem.

"Charles", The Original

July 31st, 2009
9:46 am

White people were not born to meet the needs of Negroes via their institutions. The basic needs of Negroes should be met by the institutions of lazy minded so-called educated integrationist Negroes.

"Charles", The Original

July 31st, 2009
9:51 am

It appears that Jackie has an inclination to maintain control of her Negroes. And the idea of integration gives her the opportunity to do just that.

Jake

July 31st, 2009
9:51 am

Tray which part of “public option” don’t you understand? Theoretically, no one will be forced into government run health care, it will just exist as an option to privately run health care. If it isn’t cheaper or better run, don’t opt into it.

NOMAD

July 31st, 2009
10:00 am

Can someone explain to me why the Democrats in Congress are trying their best to ram a healthcare plan that, according to a recent WSJ/NBC poll, 47% of American’s think is a bad idea?

I thought that it was government for the people by the people. If the people think it is a bad idea, shouldn’t Congress listen to them and make needed changes?

NOMAD

George American

July 31st, 2009
10:01 am

“Charles” you might want to add that if an Africa-American cannot find work as a integrationist, criminal or a mongrel, they can apply democrat funded ward of the state programs so they can get free housing in government-owned apartments, free food with food stamps and free medical care with medicaid. There is lots of other free government stuff too.

No wonder none of them have a real job.

Diogenes

July 31st, 2009
10:06 am

Good morning, Jim,

First question: What do you mean by an “excessive malpractice award”? I haven’t seen one yet that I thought was excessive, and I’ve seen a lot that weren’t even close to compensatory.

Second question: Do you think a 10% tax on “fattening food” is enough? It seems to me that it needs to be 50% or more. Most of that money could be used to pay for health care. We might also curb the epidemic of obesity in the process.

Brad Steel

July 31st, 2009
10:07 am

NOMAD,
If polls and public opinion ran the government, we’d still have colored-only bathrooms in Georgia. Let me clue you in:

the electorate is dumber than congress.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
10:13 am

For some reason I can’t respond to clyde. What gives AJC? More of that objective journalism at play?

What’s to fear, people choosing something you might oppose?

"Charles", The Original

July 31st, 2009
10:14 am

George American,

The so-called educated integrationist Negroes doesn’t want them to have real jobs. The so-called educated integrationist Negroes want to keep controversy going between white and black people while in the interim, a third entity steal power from white people.

The so-called educated integrationist Negroes doesn’t support the interest of the masses of Negroes. They support the interest of the third entity.

sharecropper

July 31st, 2009
10:17 am

I can’t believe Wooten actually wrote something I agree with, so I have to rethink my position. But being empowered to shop — honestly shop — for health insurance, vs. the current, for instance, RX plans, would be good. Either I must be wrong or Wooten is wrong.

Jake

July 31st, 2009
10:17 am

Diogenes – What’s almost always excssive is the 30-70% of the judgment that goes to the blood suckin ambulance chaser instead of the victim/victim’s family. Of course the Dems won’t touch that because the ambulance chasers are some of their biggest contributors.

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

July 31st, 2009
10:21 am

TRAY FUNNY HOW YOU REDNECKS POINT OUT DEMOCRAPS BEING ON WELFARE,BUT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON WELFARE THE 70% ARE REDNECK WHITE WOMEN,SINCE THERE ARE NOT MANY BLACK PEOPLE IN STATES LIKE WYOMING UTAH NORTH AND SOUTH DAKOTA MINN IOWA MAINE ARIZONA NEVADA OREGON STATE OF WASHINGTON,OK NEBRASKA NEW HAMPSHIRE AND NEW MEXICO,PLUS YOU DID`NT HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT WELFARE FOR THE RICH WHEN THE REPUBLICAN CROOKS WERE IN OFFICE,BUSH AND CHENEY GAVE WELFARE CHECKS TO THEIR OWN COMPANIES,BUT YOU RACIST OVERLOOK ALL THE CRIME A REDNECK GOP DOES! REAL CRIMINAL VALUES YOU CAN COUNT ON BY THE GOP,AND ALSO I`M A INDEPENDENT VOTER AND THINKER,DEMOCRAPS OR EVIL REPUBLICANS NEVER THINK FOR ME TRAY!

Got Paranoia?

July 31st, 2009
10:21 am

Michael H. Smith,
Posting to a blog does not make you a journalist! The AJC has not initiated a conspiracy against you. No one really cares about what you have to say.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
10:23 am

@Jake,

That’s the problem with Dems, Jake, they don’t look further down the road than their own intentions. The ‘public (government) option’ will put the other options out of business. First off, please address is as it is-the government plan, because there will be no option, that’s one of B.O’s illusions.
1)the govt plan does not need to make profit to compete, the other plans do.
2)since no profit is needed, services will be cheaper, thus taking customers away from other ‘options’.
3)once the other ‘options’ start losing customers and thus profit, they WILL HAVE TO CLOSE.
4)after they all close, WHERE’S THE OPTION??

On top of that, if this plan were so good, how come the politicians are written OUT OF IT!
If this plan really were the answer, ALL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, down to post office workers, should eb on this government plan. But they know it won’t work, which is why the politicians aren’t a pert of it!

George American

July 31st, 2009
10:26 am

“Charles”,

The integrationist keep them away from real jobs and enslaved with the meager government handouts. Why would they get a job if they can gets it for free? That’s how they keeps them away from the jobs. They won’t get off the couch for anything other than going to the mailbox to see if their check is in.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
10:27 am

No paranoia on my part but the journalist at the AJC must have paranoia if they fear objective opinions being expressed on their blogs when the comment is decent, clean and does not express hate in any form.

As to who cares about what is said by whom that is completely up to the real experts on journalism to decide – the AJC readers.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
10:35 am

@EVIL REPUBS..

Dude, give me abreak with your racist crap. here YOU ARE bringing it up, not me. Funny how that’s all you have. And no, whites aren’t the only crooks. Let me break it down for you:

White-Big time million dollar corporate greed schemes, child molestors, some racists.
Blacks-Murder you for your shoes, most rapists, most petty theft, B&E’s, some rapes
mexicans-theft, rapists, child molestors (less than whites).

Betwen you and me, I’d rather get ripped off by my white boss and lose my job, than get murdered or raped…

Alex Neill

July 31st, 2009
10:41 am

…except that in Jesse’s case it was more like, Step-Up-and-Fetch-It…

Matilda

July 31st, 2009
10:42 am

Tray, I’m sure your 10:23 contains all the answers I could ever need, but I’m a little slow this morning, so please help me out. Where’s the option you propose for people with pre-existing conditions who are currently REFUSED coverage by competitive, private, for-profit companies? I know you’re not telling these nice folks to eat doo-doo and die, because that’s what Kaiser already told them. You’re FAR too fine a man to stand for THAT! Please clarify.

Jake

July 31st, 2009
10:45 am

Tray – That’s a good argument for the not-for-profit co-op. I’d just like my health care dollars to go for my health care, or, at worse, mine and part of some less fortunate person’s. I don’t want to also pay for insurance company profits and ambulance chasers.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
10:47 am

It is obvious clyde, certain individuals who control this blog will never allow any serious honest public discussion on Co Op healthcare and other alternative ideas for meeting the needs to fund individual healthcare.

Sad but true, either we’ll get status quo medicine or socialized medicine.

Shawny

July 31st, 2009
10:48 am

Understand this. Americans want healthcare to cost less. They want their current plan to be less expensive and cover more. They do not want the govt to run it.

There are people that do not have healthcare as a choice. The refuse to pay for it under the premise that the premiums are more than they would pay for the care itself. I wish I could do this with auto insurance, as I always pay and almost never collect.

Then there are those that do not have insurance. Some are people that do not have a job that provides it and cant afford it (both, not either/or). And then there are the illegals that dont have it but are getting it for free at hospitals at a very expensive rate to the rest of us that pay in.

There are many things that can be done to cut overall costs so that we can get some sort of coverage for the very few that dont have it but wish they could without major overhaul. But that is not what the liberals want. And the reason they want govt to step in is simple. It is another control of a large flow of money. In politics, you can always follow the flow of funds to see where their “interests” lie.
It is the same with tobacco, oil, the elderly, the environment, you name it. Show me the money and I will show you the corruption.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
10:54 am

Matilda…I belive in helping those out who have issues. But where’s the fine line?
I’m no Mr. Moneybags, I live paycheck to paycheck as well. How are these people with pre-existing conditions my FINANCIAL responsibility? My taxes are going to increase to pay for issues that i don’t care about. Yes, i am FAR too fine a man, but when my child develops problems that i can’t afford, the only person who will help me will be myself!! Bad luck happens to everyone, but it’s not everyone’s responsibility to help others. I donate what i can, when i can-that’s the help i provide.
HEALTHCARE IS NOT A RIGHT, IT’S A PRIVILEDGE!! When you need clean drinking water, is it free? No! When you watch TV, is it free? NO! When you go see a doctor is it free?? NO!

None of those items listed above are my responsibility to provide for you!

That doesn’t mean I’m evil, racist, don’t care. I means i can’t afford to care, and damn straight i will provide for me and my family before i provide for anyone else!

Tray

July 31st, 2009
10:56 am

Jake,

There are definately issues and problems with healthcare. The best way to fix it is to analyze every possible scenario of what can be changed, and changed the few problems.

When pushing TOTAL REFORM OF THE SYSTEM through in just a few days without even reading what’s in the bill-That’s just ACTING STUPIDLY. They have done no research on where the real problems lay, and to fix this will take time. The only reason B.O. and Pelosi and her ilk want this passed through fast is exactly that-to pull a fast one on the Americans!

And STILL NO ONE CAN ANSWER WHY IF

Tray

July 31st, 2009
10:58 am

THE PLAN IS SO GOOD, THE POLITICIANS AREN’T A PART OF IT.

(I’ll give you a hint-they want something better than shi**y healthcare!)

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
10:58 am

Would you support funding healthcare subsidies on a sliding scale for individuals via using all sin taxes, a portion of gaming proceeds throughout the country and the establishment of a healthcare lottery Tray as opposed to having to pay additional taxes?

Matilda

July 31st, 2009
11:03 am

Thanks for clarifying that, Tray. I see now. If something’s not YOUR problem, then you don’t care, and no one can make you. Further, you vehemently oppose the solution of any problem that’s not yours. If your child got lukemia right after you lost your job, and you had to give up everything you’ve ever worked for your whole life and sacrifice your home and your other children’s future to pay for it, then you’d expect no less than the same “tough toenais” from your fellow citizens. Got it.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
11:04 am

Almost, but even the ’sin taxes’ and gaming proceeds won’t even begin to pay off what we’ll need!

You want a plan, let me type it up-it’s shorter and probably more effective than you think! Please keep an open mind because the only way to save our future is to save the people who will be in charge of our future…

Steve

July 31st, 2009
11:10 am

Why do Republicans think tax breaks are the answer to any problem? And why does anyone think a tax break will result in everyone who doesn’t have health insurance will suddenly go get it?

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
11:10 am

True Tray but shouldn’t everyone have to pay something for their own well-being and healthcare needs? It would seem if they didn’t it would only promote unhealthy lifestyles and more irresponsibility.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
11:13 am

You want a government plan that will work?

Provide healthcare, AMAZING COSTLY HEALTHCARE, for all children up to 18. After 18, you’re an adult, you’re on your own and responsible for yourself, however…
After all the amazing care you have received, you shouldn’t be a smoke, you shouldn’t be obese…technically, you should be the healthies kid alive. That would free up thousands of dollars in families not having to pay for ‘family plans’, every plan would be the cheaper ‘employee + 1′, no more family plans because all kids are already covered.

Secondly, (almost like in John Q with Denzel) any issues children have that may ‘evolve’ into worse complications would be identified by this GREAT care and resolved immediately. Now they won’t be in and out of the hospital as an adult.

Thirdly, if there is a medical chronic issue that the government can’t fix as a child, when that child turns 18, they can receive a voucher toward payment of medical expenses. This weeds out the phoneys because the government has an 18 year file of these chronic issues, so they know they exist.

Take care of the children, that’s #1. Once you’re of legal age, you’re on your own.

booger

July 31st, 2009
11:22 am

The main thing that bothers me about the whole Health Care debate is the way the debate has been framed.

To begin, Obama and most of those who want a much larger govt. hand in Health Care are fond of saying “Health Care In America is broken”. Now I have seen things which were broken, and this is not one of them. It does have some problems, primarily in accessability and cost, but the quality of care is unsurpassed. They are fond of citing the WHO ranking of US Health care as 37th among industrialized countries, but if you read the report, the only things which make it that low are cost and access which they weigh very heavily. The debate should focus on those things only. By saying the whole system is broken they are able to propose much deeper and wider ranging changes with much more Govt. involvement than is needed.

The second Issue the reformers have latched on to is the insurance industry. They are presented as evil, money grabbing villians who must be contained. I have never worked for this industry, but in my job, and in my personal life, I have used their services and continue to do so. I have never had one problem with the insurance companies I use, and I have had claims. To compare the quick and courteous service from these companies with service from Govt. agencies is eyeopening. The biggest problem with them is that they refuse to insure high risk clients. Once again, fix that problem don’t bring down an entire industry.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
11:24 am

Tray

July 31st, 2009
11:13 am

If that was direct at me, the answer is not only but HECK NO!

I want consumer owned and operated Co Op healthcare plans, where we control the care, the money and the responsibilities with as little government involvement and reliance on business to furnish healthcare as possible. It is the only way I see that healthcare could ever be truly accessible, affordable and portable for every individual (U.S. Citizens and LEGAL ALIENS only) without bankrupting the country.

Take care of the children, that’s #1. Once you’re of legal age, you’re on your own.

Exactly, the world owes no one anything. Too bad government employees didn’t get the message at home or from their teachers in school like most of us did before the gimme, gimme crowd took over.

Got Paranoia?

July 31st, 2009
11:30 am

Here is a fine example of a self-congratulatory oxymoron from Michael H. Smith:

“real experts on journalism to decide – the AJC readers.

ha ha a million laughs. AJC readers are experts on the Real Housewives of Atlanta and American Idol. That’s about it.

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
11:32 am

Michael H. Smith .. You say “Exactly, the world owes no one anything.”

Mr. Smith, is that to say that veterans who have served the country are not owed or deserve medical coverage?

How pathetic!

Tray

July 31st, 2009
11:38 am

THE VETS GET COVERAGE!

And YES THE WORLD OWES YOU NOTHING!! if it did ‘eagle scout’, then where is the world handout booth that i can go to to get what’s owed to me?

Tray

July 31st, 2009
11:39 am

And still no one can answer why if this plan is so good the politicians aren’t a part of it…

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
11:44 am

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
11:32 am

I would say YOU are truly the pathetic one if YOU think veterans didn’t EARN what they receive. The expression the world owes no one anything does not apply to what someone earns and veterans would likely be the first to again step forward and make whatever sacrifice would be needed for well being of this country. Losing three days pay or taking a layoff until they could find work wouldn’t be anything compared to what many of them have already gladly given up.

You are truly one sick thinking person.

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
11:46 am

Tray …. I have no idea what you are talking about.

I know the veterans get medical coverage…I happen to be one!

I was responding to another blogger who stated “The world owes no one anything”

The U.S. does owe it’s veterans…Mr Smith per his statement says that’s not so.

Capice Tray!

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
11:48 am

Tray

July 31st, 2009
11:39 am

That question answers itself. If everyone on the Federal payroll was forced to receive all their healthcare from this Public Option it would never get to the floor of the House or the Senate for a vote.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
11:53 am

OK Eagle, the the US owes the troops. The world owes nothing.

MH Smith-you and i both know it would never get to the floor. How dare those politicians bring themselves down to my level…

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
11:57 am

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
11:46 am

Nice try sicko but Tray didn’t say people that actually EARN something don’t deserve to receive what they’ve already EARNED. Veterans have faced cuts before and most that I know personally never cried like some of these government gimme, gimme workers that feel they are owed full regular pay for government cut-backs in services due to economic conditions that everyone else is forced to accept with a smile.

You are truly sick.

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
11:58 am

Michael H. Smith….You didn’t say that …. Your comment was “owes NO ONE anything” When one says NO ONE … I would expect that’s what they actually mean NO ONE.
Not to hard to understand is it Mr. Smith?

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
11:58 am

Coops are never licensed and very little tangible is known about them. Big pharma and big insurance will spend millions next month and they’ll lose. Price’s plan does nothing to stop insurance companies from dropping insureds when they get sick–and it happened to the tune of 20,000 from the Big 3 insurance companies the last 5 years. Price’s plan does nothing to recover the 400 million bucks United Health was ordered to pay physicians because of crass overbilling after a class action suit was successfuly filed against them. Wooten knows as little about medicine as he knows about the Reconciliatoin law in the Senate we’ll smack the pubtards with.severely limit access to the Public Option by (1) separating it from the rest of the market by placing it inside an “exchange,” and (2) limiting access to the “exchange(s)” in the initial years.

Matilda

July 31st, 2009
11:59 am

Somebody sounds bitter….

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
12:04 pm

Mr. Wooten crowed about the power of the Blue Dogs. The Blue Dogs went down late yesterday and early today as I predicted. A public option passed the Energy and Commerce committee. You believe Wooten and you will believe predictions like President McCain and VP Moron Palin won the White House. Except they didn’t. They got crushed. Wooten talking about what will happen in Congress is like Britney Spears handling patients in an ER.

By a vote of 35 to 24, Democrats defeated a Republican effort to eliminate a section of the bill that would create the public health insurance option.

“Our constituents should have the choice of a public plan,” said Representative Christopher S. Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut. “There is nothing to be scared of here. No one will be forced into the public plan.”

Free Market Woman

July 31st, 2009
12:08 pm

The free market can take care of the military as well as veterans needs if the government will just get out of the way and let the free market work!

Andy Rooney

July 31st, 2009
12:09 pm

Ever notice that in that picture of Wooten that he has a bunch of big teeth and no lower lip?

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
12:11 pm

Here’s how the Republicans will get crushed. They already got crushed soundly in the Energy Committee that shapes what the House will pass. The Tri and Progressives in the house have 53-55 votes to override anything the Blue Dogs are Republitards who try to turn tricks for their johns the insurance companies and big Pharma.ave

In the Senate, Reconciliation will rule the day and that only takes 51 votes and the Dems have them in spades to crush Enzi and the rest of the Blue Dogs there. Kennedy and Byrd will also definitely vote and the dems could have 60 if they needed them.

Ole Wooten talked about how terrible it’d be for his witless mouseketters if 60 happened. It happened baaby, and although some in the “60″ would vote against the dems on certain bills, that’s not haippening on health care, and Kennedy and Byrd will come in to vote.

Even if it did, the Dems simply will go to Reconciliation where by law they only need 51 votes and they have ‘em.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
12:17 pm

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
11:58 am

Knucklehead, “the world owes no one anything” is an expression that means exactly what I said it means.

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
12:17 pm

The free market has screwed the veterans and their wives for years. Most Iraqi war vets who need significant health care can’t get it in the VA system and they are all fighting for care.

The free market has kicked 20,000 hard working premium paying Americans or their employers out of health insurance from the big 3 in the past 5 years simply because they committed the sin of filing a claim because they got sick.

Thousands of women with infiltrating ductal carcinoma who need mastectomy, chemo, lab, path, imaging bills paid with the surgery costing $35,000 and up depending on location go into bankruptcy.

The status quo has health care costs growing at the rate of 300% since 1980 (remember Altzheimer Reagan who was senile while in office and whose predictions have proved flat wrong) and the economy has grown at one-third that rate.

So much for “free market.” The credit default disaster that sent us to the brink of depression was the Republitard free market baby. It turned to pure sh_t. The pubtards’ deregulation drove the economy into a ditch.

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
12:22 pm

The free market has been a total failure as the pubtards drove the economy to a ditch with deregulation of credit default swaps.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
12:22 pm

If you want socialism then go live in a socialist country, pseudonym a.k.a. brucie.

crazy joe

July 31st, 2009
12:22 pm

Is that nut charles still around?! He hasn’t been beaten by a cop yet?!!! I’m amazed!! Such uppityness from a “supposed” negro, should’ve cost him an azz whippin by now!!!

II'M MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU

July 31st, 2009
12:22 pm

That’s why I do all of my post in bold despite how obnoxious it obviously is!!!!

OR IN ALL CAPS. THAT’S OBNOXIOUS TOO!!!

Free Market Woman

July 31st, 2009
12:25 pm

Sorry Mr. Reconciliation, but it was the government’s interference in the free market that caused your litany of grievances. Get educated to reality and read some Ayn Rand.

They ued to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!

July 31st, 2009
12:25 pm

Wooten STILL ALIVE!!! My god!!! Does he have a pact with the devil or something?? Wooten, are you really a vampire sent to drain the life, (and common sense) out of man? Some of your pro Gop, Pro GOP, PRO GOP, posts are getting (snarc) “dumb and dumber”!!! Oh well, old man, go back to your crypt, the sun came back out, until it’s time for you to drain more brain cells from the minds of “thinking” individuals…….

They ued to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!

July 31st, 2009
12:32 pm

That free market woman is a nut job!!! Speaking of nuts, hey lady, ate any good not regulated peanut butter sandwiches lately? I bet that free market infected peanut butter tastes reallllll good huh? This Barfs for you!!!!

Matilda

July 31st, 2009
12:38 pm

“Get educated to reality and read some Ayn Rand.”

HAHAHAHA! HAHA! HAHAHAHA! *Stop, please!* HAHAHAHAHA!

crazy joe

July 31st, 2009
12:38 pm

Tray, no worries. When you get picked up for tax fraud, credit fraud, sleeping with your daughters, child porno, or just for being stupid; you WILL get raped. Ever watched that Richard Speck video of him in prison? Did you see what he ended up with? THAT will be you your first week in the can — you’ll be traded for some cigarettes, (1 pack), and some dental floss. Start practicing your blowing skills now!!!

WBK

July 31st, 2009
12:39 pm

When will it stop? Liberals really hate freedom! They are obsessed telling people how to live.

I do not want to eat healthy! I like drinking beer! I like hunting, fishing, and golfing! I like greasy burgers and fries! And I do not want to go to college to become brainwashed by the Professor Gates.

Let me live free! I will not bother you SO you do not bother me. If I get sick I will pay the bill or die. But leave me alone! I want to live free. Can you liberals understand that?

crazy joe

July 31st, 2009
12:42 pm

Oh Tray, Tray, Tray. You WILL get what’s comin’ to ya!!! And, personally, I can’t wait!!!

Free Market Woman

July 31st, 2009
12:43 pm

Here’s to you nanny-state losers. Enjoy your socialist state while the winners actually provide for you epiphytes. Have a government regulated peanut butter sandwich or maybe some government cheese – I hear that you can taste the delicious inefficient bureaucracy. I’ll have a steak and glass of pinot.

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!!

July 31st, 2009
12:45 pm

Ever noticed how the most virulent racists end up in nursing homes, (mainly cause their kids can’t stand them); being cared for by black women with BAD attitudes? I wonder who’s singing “mammy” now?

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!!

July 31st, 2009
12:48 pm

That free market lady is really off the deep end!!! That steak she wants to eat has just been dropped by the government regulators because of people like that crazy cow!! Get it? Crazy Cow?! Mad Cow Disease?!?!! Get it??!! AHHHH whatta you know from funny!!!! Hey free market lady == Mooo, Moooo, MOOOOOOkkklllllaaaa!! (The last moo was from the mad cow).

Free Market Woman

July 31st, 2009
12:49 pm

batman,
Your compassion for people in nursing homes shows the true compassion of a liberal. Please tell us how you feel about rape in prison. I bet it meets with your stamp of approval.

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!!

July 31st, 2009
12:53 pm

Lady, BATMAN didn’t make that comment. Crazy Joe did. Didn’t they teach you how to READ in deregulated land? Try and keep up okay? Moookkkkllllaaaaa (that was from the mad cow).

Th

July 31st, 2009
12:54 pm

A program funded to last until Nov. based on the number of people who were projected to take advantage of the offer, but instead is so popular it runs out of money in one week is a colossal success, not failure.

The health care reform bill making its way through the house is a combination system of public and private with restrictions on who may buy the public plan. It is only available to those who are eligible to buy insurance in the exchanges where there are minimum standards for all policies and people are free to choose which option suits them best. To say that congressmen have or don’t have Obamacare shows a basic misunderstanding of the proposed legislation. The reason the Lewin Group said that people would prefer the public option is that it will be able to give you the same coverageas the private plans for $2500 per year less for a family plan. This is before there are any susidies for the public plan. If you doubt me, read the study yourself. You only need to read the first four paragraphs.

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!!

July 31st, 2009
12:55 pm

Ooopss you’re right!!! Batman DID make that comment!! It wasn’t funny though! Not as funny as the one about the mad cow!! Get it?! AHHHH you wouldn’t know funny if it rode in on a deregulated horse!!!! Give that deregulated horse some deregulated peanut butter!!!

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!!

July 31st, 2009
12:58 pm

free market lady: if you go to prison you should EXPECT to be raped. It’s sort of like part of the job description. Just tellin…………………. MOOOOOKKKKKlllllaaaaaawww (that was from the mad cow).

PS: And there you go jumping to conclusions!! You’re calling me a liberal and you don’t know mad cow squat about me!!!! You “free marketers” are so dang funny!!! Sigh: You’re just too easy sometimes…………….. just too dang easy………

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!!

July 31st, 2009
1:01 pm

Oh and I never have any compassion or sympathy for racists!!! Are you “MAD”?!………… get it??? Mad Cow??? Deregulation!!??? Get it?!? Ahhhhhh………go eat a deregulated peanut butter sandwich!!!! Whadda you know from funny!!!!

Free Market Woman

July 31st, 2009
1:02 pm

batman,
Your wit sucks as bad as your short term memory of what you just wrote and your use of exclamation marks. You should look into writing for Dane Cook or Carrot Top.

Dunwoody Mike

July 31st, 2009
1:03 pm

Tray said,
“Matilda…I belive in helping those out who have issues. But where’s the fine line?
I’m no Mr. Moneybags, I live paycheck to paycheck as well. How are these people with pre-existing conditions my FINANCIAL responsibility? My taxes are going to increase to pay for issues that i don’t care about…HEALTHCARE IS NOT A RIGHT, IT’S A PRIVILEDGE!!”

Where is your humanity, Tray? Your concern for your fellow human beings. If you have ANY compassion and repect for human dignity, then you would support efforts to insure the uinsured and underinsured.

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
1:03 pm

The reason the “Lewin group” said anything is that they are totally owned by United Health Care and what they said will not be taken into account by the House, the Senate, or the conference committee.

We have the votes in the House, and in the Senate to tras.h the Lewin Group=Insurance Company.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
1:05 pm

Crazy joe, i hate to say it, but i won’t get what’s coming to me because i won’t break the law and go to jail!!

And for those bashing the ‘free market’-the FREE MARKET has given us everything we love!

Those iphones everyone loves, the American Idol show that all you Obam-ites love, the fun pleasures in life-all of those are thanks to the FREE MARKET. Government didn’t give us those great inventions. Everyone bashes the free market now, but the free market is what has given us the best MEDICAL INVENTIONS, the best technological inventions, the best out of everything. Government doesn’t give you the best, they give you the cheapest and hope it still works…

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
1:05 pm

Insurer-Owned Consulting Firm Often Cited in Health Debate

By David S. Hilzenrath
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 23, 2009

The political battle over health-care reform is waged largely with numbers, and few number-crunchers have shaped the debate as much as the Lewin Group, a consulting firm whose research has been widely cited by opponents of a public insurance option.

To Rep. Eric Cantor (Va.), the House Republican whip, it is “the nonpartisan Lewin Group.” To Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee, it is an “independent research firm.” To Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (Utah), the second-ranking Republican on the pivotal Finance Committee, it is “well known as one of the most nonpartisan groups in the country.”

Generally left unsaid amid all the citations is that the Lewin Group is wholly owned by UnitedHealth Group, one of the nation’s largest insurers.

More specifically, the Lewin Group is part of Ingenix, a UnitedHealth subsidiary that was accused by the New York attorney general and the American Medical Association of helping insurers shift medical expenses to consumers by distributing skewed data. Ingenix supplied UnitedHealth and other insurers with data that allegedly understated the “reasonable and customary” doctor fees that insurers use to determine how much they will reimburse consumers for out-of-network care.

In January, UnitedHealth agreed to a $50 million settlement with the New York attorney general and a $350 million settlement with the AMA, covering conduct going back as far as 1994.

Ingenix’s chief executive, Andrew Slavitt, said the company’s data was never biased, but Ingenix nonetheless agreed to exit that particular line of business. “The data didn’t have the appearance of independence that’s necessary for it to be useful,” Slavitt said.

Lewin Group Vice President John Sheils said his firm had nothing to do with the Ingenix reimbursement data. Lewin has gone through “a terribly difficult adjustment” since it was bought by UnitedHealth in 2007, he said, because the corporate ownership “does create the appearance of a conflict of interest.”

“It hasn’t affected . . . the work we do, and I think people who know me know that I am not a good liar,” Sheils said.

Lewin’s clients include the government and groups with a variety of perspectives, including the Commonwealth Fund and the Heritage Foundation. A February report by the firm contained information that could be used to argue for a national system known as single-payer, the approach most threatening to insurers, Sheils noted.

But not all of Lewin’s reports see the light of day. “Let’s just say, sometimes studies come out that don’t show exactly what the client wants to see. And in those instances, they have [the] option to bury the study,” Sheils said.

“The Lewin Group is committed to providing independent, objective and nonpartisan analyses of policy options,” the firm said in a recent submission to the House Energy and Commerce Committee. Though it is owned by UnitedHealth, the Lewin Group “has editorial control over all its work products,” the firm added.

Lewin produced one of the most widely cited statistics of the health-care debate: Under a particular version of a public option, the number of people with private, employer-sponsored coverage would decline by more than 100 million.

Opponents of the public option have invoked the finding as proof that offering a government-run health plan would deprive people of their employer-sponsored coverage and lead to a government takeover of the health-care system.

“The nonpartisan Lewin Group predicts that two out of three Americans who get their health care through their employer would lose it under the House Democrat plan,” Cantor, the second-ranking member of the House Republican leadership, said in a July 12 commentary in the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

Since then, adjusting its analysis to reflect the latest version of legislation drafted by House Democrats, Lewin has estimated that 88.1 million workers would shift from private, employer-sponsored insurance to the proposed public plan.

The Congressional Budget Office came to a different conclusion, saying that enrollment in the House Democrats’ proposed public plan would total 11 million to 12 million people.

Sheils said the CBO apparently assumes that only small employers would be able to shift their workers into the proposed health insurance exchange — where individuals could shop for coverage among regulated options — while Lewin assumes that all employers could do that. The House bill would leave open-ended the question of which employers would be eligible to use the exchange.

The CBO did not respond to requests for comment.

President Obama and other backers have said a government-run health plan could provide a check on insurers, especially in markets where industry consolidation has left little competition among private health plans. Obama has pledged that, if people like their current coverage, they will be able to keep it.

Insurance companies have been trying to block the public option, saying it would undercut their prices and put them out of business by slashing payments to doctors and hospitals.

Though the millions of people Lewin was describing would lose their employer-sponsored coverage, they wouldn’t be forced into a government-run health plan, Sheils said in an interview. Rather, they would be able to choose between the government plan and other private options, and “they might very well be better off,” he said.

Mother Faulkner

July 31st, 2009
1:06 pm

Hi everyone! I’m new to these boards, but this Jim Wooten doesn’t seem too bright!

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
1:07 pm

We kicked the Lewin group’s butt in court and proved they were using fake numbers and we should have had them indicted. None of your pubtards like Cantor and Hatch seem to notice that.

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
1:08 pm

Jim Wooten isn’t bright. The Right Wingnut Cox carried him for years to write trash with his very poor education. It’s called welfare for white racista hicks.

crazy joe

July 31st, 2009
1:09 pm

Tray — check out the comment from the batman about nursing homes. Trust me, you WILL get what’s coming to ya!!! PS: Don’t forget to practice your blowing skills and your deep knee bends now; you probably won’t have much time AFTER you get to prison.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
1:09 pm

@Dunwoody mike

i have compassion! I don’t have money. Compassion costs. i donate all of my old clothes, all my son’s and wife’s old clothes, and some money. THERE’S MY DAMN COMPASSION. Where’s your compassion?? My son wants an xbox360 that i can’t afford. Will you buy it for me? No of course not, that’s a luxury. SO IS HEALTHCARE. Don’t think i don’t feel sympathy for those who can’t afford, but no one can explain where it’s our responsibility to provide for others.

Every Dem who can;t fight against me always says i have no sympathy…if that’s the only argument you can present, then might i suggest you do more research. because while i do have compassion, i am not required to by law, and i already do everything in my power to help those less fortunate. I do not need money STOLEN from me in the form of taxes to pay for someone else’s surgery. HEALTHCARE IS NOT A RIGHT.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
1:12 pm

@crazy joe-

not get any from the wifey?? Is that why you’re so obsessed about being no knees and bending over…? Don’t you have how Democratic wives just don’t give it up like they used to??

but hey-if the libs want gay marriage and abortions that’s fine. Half of the Dems will be gay, the other half will abort all their kids…in about 50 years there won’t be anymore democrats!!! YAY!!!

Brad Steal

July 31st, 2009
1:13 pm

Tray,
It sounds like your donations will certainly get you beatified.

HEALTHCARE IS NOT A RIGHT! I am with you and I support your right to suffer and die.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
1:13 pm

Wow CRAZY JOE, batman’s commet was all about racism, and somehow you’ve labelled me as a racist and i don’t even know how…you truly are crazy implying i am a racist when i have made no racial comments, only truths.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
1:14 pm

All you Dems better support your right to suffer and die, what do you think happens when you get old on GOV’T CARE?? The let you suffer and DIE instead of trying to save your life!!

They ued to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!

July 31st, 2009
1:17 pm

free market lady: CARROT TOP, CARROT TOP!!! you want me to write for CARROT TOP!! Are you insane woman!! My best work, which I know you’ve heard before, came out of George W. Bush’s mouth!! That’s right folks, I am the man who wrote all his material. All of his number one’s, that was ME!!! Here’s some of my favorites:

“You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.” -Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001

“You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.” –interview with CBS News’ Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

“The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th.” –Washington, D.C., July 12, 2007

“I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family.” –Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000

Now THAT’s funny lady!!! Carrot Top be danged!!!

Brad Steal

July 31st, 2009
1:18 pm

Tay,
you too should take a try at professional comedy writing. Your ooohhh soooo funny!!!

crazy joe

July 31st, 2009
1:20 pm

From Tray: Don’t you have how Democratic wives just don’t give it up like they used to??

From Crazy Joe: WTF did you just say? Can you please break down that sentence in ENGLISH. Thanks bud!!

Tray

July 31st, 2009
1:20 pm

What’s so funny is how you’re unwavering trust for the government is going to be your undoing.

A government strong enough to give you anything you want is strong enough to take away anything you have…

Tray

July 31st, 2009
1:24 pm

Sorry,

DON’T YOU HATE HOW…

thought you were asmart enough to figure it out, thus i sisn’t post a correction.

Context clues…don’t you remember your government education?

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
1:25 pm

GDP this morning showed how h orrible the Bush idiots ran this country into the ground and how many substantive steps the Obama administration has taken and succeeded in stopping the slikde. The GP is conveniently omitted by Wooten and his flacks.

Maxwell Snark

July 31st, 2009
1:32 pm

I recently asked a friend who lives in Atlanta, “What’s with everyone shooting everyone else down there?” Obviously not possible, but you get the drift. Outside Atlanta, it looks like a crime wave of huge proportions inside Atlanta.

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
1:36 pm

Tray

July 31st, 2009
1:14 pm

Tray…That’s totally untrue and again you don’t know what you’re talking about!

I had pneumonia in January and spent 3 weeks in the intensive care unit then was transferred to a rehab clinic for 2 weeks, after I was released a therapist visited my home for a month. In all, out of pocket expense 165.00.

Medicare …. A program us old people can count on….socialized medicine at it’s best!

crazy joe

July 31st, 2009
1:43 pm

Tray: Unlike some on these blogs, I don’t try to presume the writer’s intention from their words. I know it must be frustrating, but I prefer not to jump to conclusions. Kinda of unrepublican of me huh?

Now however your comment makes sense(?) — at least in your mind. I’m a little perplexed though. I thought we were talking about you getting hit on, (hopefully repeatedly), in prison by some strong swarthy men. I kinda like that subject……just the thought of it……..it just makes my day so much brighter! But, if you wish to speak about democratic wives, then by all means, please go ahead. But, unlike you, I’ve never been with every democratic wife and can’t speak of their prowess inside the bedroom, I can’t really join in on the conversation.

However, one bright note, is that I can speak about the legion of republican men who seem to prefer ANYBODY BUT their wives!!! Wanna talk about that?

Chris Broe

July 31st, 2009
1:44 pm

Wooten has become a bully. He wants more people to end up in jail. He picks a fight with firefighters. He can’t write the word “democrat” without using an emoticon of a guy with both eyes blackened, a bloody nose, and a split lip, (healthcare anyone?). Wooten exposes his personal problem by mocking personnel problems. He makes a laughing stock out of poor Barry Garner. He belittles car-jacking victims.

Worse, Wooten tries to trick unsuspecting car buyers into being burned alive and torn limb from limb when he writes about risk-taking car companies, when the only real risk is the one Ford buyers assume when they strap their child in the back seat and ignite the hi-tech fuel leak that passes for any Ford ever built. He assumes risk himself when he uses the word “shoveled”. Then he expects forgiveness when he trips on a Diogenes reference, (oh? It means cynic? and cynicism describes John Thompson’s lament?), and completes the foul-up when he follows up with this folly: “It is a national policy calamity that a more open and honest congressional debate didn’t occur.” If a second grader had written that sentence, I’d give her a C+, (and a tablespoon of castor oil).

Another gifted writer, Bob Barr, embarrassed himself today with this send-off: “If it weren’t tax payer money it would be humorous.” Did he expect the reader to nod silently and engage a wry facial expression after they absorbed that “profound insight” (Wooten’s cliche-of-the-day) into our good president’s attempts to stimulate car sales?

JackLeg

July 31st, 2009
1:57 pm

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP , there is a key on your keyboard that says “Caps Lock”. Just in case you hit it by accident, but if you put it on just to shout at every one, you must be a dimacrap.

Mother Faulkner

July 31st, 2009
1:59 pm

Well if he’s that bad, it’s a good thing he’s retiring soon. When will we be allowed to comment on musings of the cherubic Mr. Wingfield? I get the feeling he may not be the sharpest tool in the shed either, but he sure is cute!

Mother Faulkner

July 31st, 2009
2:02 pm

But Jack, how could he possibly convey his frustration without typing in caps? Besides, if we’ve learned anything, it’s that cogent arguments and economical word choice are nothing compared to TALKING REAL LOUD…

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!

July 31st, 2009
2:07 pm

The Third Time has GOT TO BE THE CHARM!!!:

Tray: Yes yes I get it. Government: bad, Bad, BAD!! Free market: good, Good, GOOD!!! And there is NEVER any gray in between folks, it’s all black and white!!!

Hey Tray, I bet you can’t WAIT until the government gets out of our food and our airline industries huh? I mean just imagine………..(harps and violins playing in background):

You get on your flight with your lovely family to a fun filled vacation to Three Mile Island, (where the rich go to play), and halfway there, your plane is having engine troubles ’cause the government doesn’t mandate inspections for planes anymore. Your pilots, (who have just completed 24 hours of flying for another airline and who are bone tired BUT since pilot rest periods aren’t regulated by the government and they really need that extra money); are lethargic and don’t catch the “TURN AROUND NOW FOOL” button that keeps going off . Your stewardess, just served your kids some good old fashioned peanut butter sandwiches from that peanut factory in Georgia (the deregulated one); and your wife is eating a hamburger that is rampant with Mad Cow disease. What’s going to happen to you guys now?

Here it comes…………………..wait for it………………..wait for it………………………. WHO CARES?!! Your azzes are grass anyway!!! You might as well grab your ankles and kiss your behind goodbye!!! Who needs government interventions in their lives? WE DO!!! Duh!!! :roll:

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!

July 31st, 2009
2:09 pm

Amen Mother, Amen!!!! BESIDES, I LOVE CAPS!!!

Mother Faulkner

July 31st, 2009
2:15 pm

Crazy Joe/Batman,

You seem like a nice young man–have you ever met my son Ray Pugh? He posts on here sometimes but is currently working on a 6-week commercial fishing venture off the coast off the Faulkland Islands. He had mostly praise for the majority of posters on here, but said that many wear “tin-foil hats” and “live in their parents basements,” whatever that means…

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
2:16 pm

There is a reason why EVERY industrialized nation in the world except the United States has some form of a single payer system…it makes the most sense economically, socially, and morally. Our current system is unsustainable and has to be reformed so the question then becomes do you reform it with something that is known to work such as a single payer system or do you replace it with something that is not known to work just to be politically practical and keep the health insurance companies in business?

keeping it real

July 31st, 2009
2:19 pm

Wow! We are using our money so other people can have a new car. One they probably cannot afford. Socialism at its best. Next up will be the elimination of the “for profit” health insurance companies. They provide a valuable service and make tons of money of the hard work of all of us. Its a smart idea, I wish I thought of it. Though, like all insurance companies, their structure is socialist in its essence.

ToniBaloney

July 31st, 2009
2:23 pm

What happened to everyone?

deegee

July 31st, 2009
2:28 pm

The problem with health care reform is that the majority of insured American people think that they are getting something for nothing and they are concerned that they are going to have to spend something on their health care in the future. They pay their $20.00 co-pay. Their insurance premiums are deducted from their paycheck so they never see the money. It would be nice if they had to write a check every month for their portion of their insurance premium. They think that their employer has a bottomless pit of money to pay for what they consider to be an absolute entitlement from their employer. The American people take no personal responsibility for their healthiness because, what the hell, they have insurance so somebody else will pay for their lifestyle diseases. And you think that we can’t afford a single payer system now? Wait til the baby boomers retire in the next ten years. Wait til they see what they are going to have to pay for health care because there aren’t enough young people in the workforce to pay their Medicare benefits. I’ll bet the AARP will be demanding a single payer system and that everyone over the age of 18 is going to have to pay for insurance.

crazy joe

July 31st, 2009
2:29 pm

Mother: Thanks!! I think I do know your son — he and I went to USC together, (that SC stands for South Carolina….I’m a proud southern boy). But, to clear up a misconception; batman is not me.
:wink:

Jackie

July 31st, 2009
2:33 pm

@Charles

It appears that you continue believe that your points are salient.
You are a racist windbag that tries to conflate half-truths and innuendo to make your point.

It appears to me that using God’s name in vain is not wise. I truly believe that you will roast in Hades for the rest of eternity.

Mrs Jon Stewart

July 31st, 2009
2:40 pm

Deegee: The AARP endorses Obama’s health plan initiative; it’s the Fox News Pundits who want it to end ’cause it’s funded by Kenyan’s For Obama. It’s another “Kenyan 40+ year conspiracy” that’s fueling this!!

crazy joe

July 31st, 2009
2:51 pm

From Tray: Wow CRAZY JOE, batman’s commet was all about racism, and somehow you’ve labelled me as a racist and i don’t even know how…you truly are crazy implying i am a racist when i have made no racial comments, only truths

From crazy joe: Tray I by no means called you or inferred to your being racist!!! I was talking about you ending up in a nursing home, (when you get out of prison), alone, unloved and unvisited. Without even a ‘hi ya do” from all the men you’d serviced in prison. A sad, sad end indeed.

T Knight

July 31st, 2009
2:56 pm

It occurs to me while we are going through this whole health care debacle that Christopher Dodd is a lucky man. He has the coverage given to all politicians and will have surgery for prostate cancer, which will be paid for. If he were just an average guy under Obama care without that coverage, he would sit before bureaucrats and be told he is just too old to be bothered with.

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!

July 31st, 2009
3:05 pm

I know that this is not Bookman’s blog but in honor of today’s subject and because it’s friday; this end of the week, riding down the highway, tune is for you guys. This is what every woman needs, a boyfriend with a healthcare plan!! Enjoy!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCw_UoRhTUk

Th

July 31st, 2009
3:07 pm

Reconciliation is coming… why would you want to trash the Lewin Group study. It says very clearly that a government run public option can deliver the same health care for 30% less than a private insurer. Not because of taxpayer subsidies but lower administrative costs and lower reimbursement rates. That is why Price hates the public option, doctor reimbursement will be cut by 6.8%.

The Lewin study makes a great case for the public option and the more people eligible to buy it the better. They compared how much a private insurer would charge for the same policy congressmen have and how much a public option would charge and the savings are $2500 per year. Basically, for every four families that leave a private plan and join the public plan, we can insure another family with the savings. Buy 4, get 1 free. Everyone who doesn’t want government health care can pay the higher price.

For those convinced congress would never join the public option, how do you know their plan won’t be the public option?

Th

July 31st, 2009
3:16 pm

An earlier poster chastised us old farts for leaving them a Social Security mess. Actually, back in 1983 we started paying into the SS fund more taxes than we needed at the time and investing that extra in the safest investment in the world, US Treasuries, just so we would not burden you young people when we got old. I know you want to thank us for our forethought and sacrifice, and Eagle Scout and I say, “You’re welcome.” As we retire, we will start cashing in those Treasuries rather than making you put us up in your guest room.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
3:42 pm

For those convinced congress would never join the public option, how do you know their plan won’t be the public option?

How do you know it will have you read the bills?

http://www.defendyourhealthcare.us/houseandsenatebills.html

Haven’t seen anything mentioned in the bills that will force all those on the federal payroll into the public option.

Happy reading. The House version contains only 1,017 pages.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
3:48 pm

All of you are so ignorant its not even funny. You can all apologize in Chinese in about 30 years…

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
3:48 pm

The entitlements have been in trouble for years. Everyone knows unless serious steps are taken now Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare will not be sustainable in the coming decades. That should serve as warning enough why the Public Option government socialist healthcare idea will not work.

Jake

July 31st, 2009
4:00 pm

MH Smith – The entitlements, despite facing huge shortfalls in coming years, have worked. Haven’t your parents or grandparents received retirement income and health benefits?

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!

July 31st, 2009
4:02 pm

Tray: With what our government owes China NOW, (borrowed during the Bush II years); we’ll be speaking Chineese sooner than that!! Why if they decide to call in those loans tomorrow; with 2 wars, (THREE if the republicans have their way and we invade Iran), out of control healthcare and a massive debt left over from Bush II……………….well, draw your own picture there!

MHSmith: You are correct!!! Those corporate entitlements HAVE TO STOP!!! My God, they’re completely out of control!!! These Farm subsides, et al. are SICKENING!! And I’m glad you agree with me! We, the people, need to stand up and say “If you give one more entitlement to those lazy, shiftless, good for nothing, corporations, we’re gonna have a TEA PARTY!!!

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
4:10 pm

Jake when my parents drew their social security the system was well funded, in the coming years that will not be the case. Don’t play games here. The current Fed Chief testified before Congress a few years back that unless steps are taken the entitlements alone will consume the entire federal budget. We have too much debt already, going into deficits to fund the entitlement programs is simply out of the question. The same said for creating another monster called the Public Option which I’ve yet to see any CBO scoring that says differently.

Hotlanta

July 31st, 2009
4:15 pm

Why is it that the folks who are complaining about people having access to better health insdurance have some of the best insurance. If Sean/Rush/Bill got sick today they have the money and means to some of the best healthcare but yet they complain about other folks having access to insurance. I could never figure that out. Right on Batman this free market has screwed everything so bad I had an $8.00 gas bill. By the time they finished adding all of those FREE market fees such as administrative fee it was $60.00. That is just like someone who says the police is too rough with criminals but yet complains about the crime in their neightborhood by saying they are not doing their job by saying “where are the cops”.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
4:18 pm

Just for the record to my conservative compeers: I’m completely supportive of universal healthcare specifically for every U.S. Citizen and only on a limited bases for LEGAL ALIENS. However, do understand that I and the socialist liberals mostly found in the Democrat Party live in two entirely “different universes”. They are from Mars, I’m from earth.

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!

July 31st, 2009
4:50 pm

MHSMITH is from EARTH?!! :) :) :) :) :lol:

OMG!! That’s too funny!!! Please, please stop!!! You go too far for a laugh sometimes dude!

Th

July 31st, 2009
4:55 pm

MHS: I have read it. It only sets certain minimum coverages, not maximums.

Th

July 31st, 2009
5:17 pm

This is on Page 117 of the House bill regarding the public option:(3) PROVISION OF BENEFIT LEVELS.—The public health insurance option—
(A) shall offer basic, enhanced, and premium plans; and
(B) may offer premium-plus plans.

maybe the premium-plus plan is the one congress has.

clyde

July 31st, 2009
5:27 pm

Dear DeeGee,
When an employer pays for an employee’s health insurance,it’s in lieu of wages.The employee is paying every cent of the premium.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

July 31st, 2009
5:33 pm

Well, I’m all for this Tom Price healthcare plan. We’re willing to give you $5,000. It ain’t our fault if you can’t come up with the other $7,000 you need to buy a health insurance policy. What, you think we’re made of money? Go sell some crack or borrow from your relations to come up with the rest of the money.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good weekend everybody.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
5:57 pm

brucie wilcox is from planet X he never goes far enough away, dude!

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
6:07 pm

Maybe Th?

Nah, nothing in there says it will force all those on the federal payroll into the Public Plan.

Page 116

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Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
6:12 pm

clyde

July 31st, 2009
5:27 pm

Actually the customer of the employer pays the costs of an employees healthcare benefit when they buy the product or service from the company.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
6:26 pm

brucie wilcox the oxygen deprived brain says: That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good weekend everybody.

Only if you leave the U.S. brucie and never come back will everybody have a good weekend. :lol:

Reconcilliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
7:48 pm

At this point in time, the current Nobel Laureate in Economics would like to set Mr. Wooten and the Palintards straight on health care economics. I was unable to find Mr. Wooten listed as either a physician or a Nobel Laureate in economics:

If you turn on your TV to C-Span 3 you’ll see a trend on the House Energy and Commerce Committee: Defeat of Stupid Amendment after Stupid Amendment and Democratic Victory and American Victory every time it happens.

July 31, 2009
Op-Ed ColumnistHealth Care Realities By PAUL KRUGMAN
At a recent town hall meeting, a man stood up and told Representative Bob Inglis to “keep your government hands off my Medicare.” The congressman, a Republican from South Carolina, tried to explain that Medicare is already a government program — but the voter, Mr. Inglis said, “wasn’t having any of it.”

It’s a funny story — but it illustrates the extent to which health reform must climb a wall of misinformation. It’s not just that many Americans don’t understand what President Obama is proposing; many people don’t understand the way American health care works right now. They don’t understand, in particular, that getting the government involved in health care wouldn’t be a radical step: the government is already deeply involved, even in private insurance.

And that government involvement is the only reason our system works at all.

The key thing you need to know about health care is that it depends crucially on insurance. You don’t know when or whether you’ll need treatment — but if you do, treatment can be extremely expensive, well beyond what most people can pay out of pocket. Triple coronary bypasses, not routine doctor’s visits, are where the real money is, so insurance is essential.

Yet private markets for health insurance, left to their own devices, work very badly: insurers deny as many claims as possible, and they also try to avoid covering people who are likely to need care. Horror stories are legion: the insurance company that refused to pay for urgently needed cancer surgery because of questions about the patient’s acne treatment; the healthy young woman denied coverage because she briefly saw a psychologist after breaking up with her boyfriend.

And in their efforts to avoid “medical losses,” the industry term for paying medical bills, insurers spend much of the money taken in through premiums not on medical treatment, but on “underwriting” — screening out people likely to make insurance claims. In the individual insurance market, where people buy insurance directly rather than getting it through their employers, so much money goes into underwriting and other expenses that only around 70 cents of each premium dollar actually goes to care.

Still, most Americans do have health insurance, and are reasonably satisfied with it. How is that possible, when insurance markets work so badly? The answer is government intervention.

Most obviously, the government directly provides insurance via Medicare and other programs. Before Medicare was established, more than 40 percent of elderly Americans lacked any kind of health insurance. Today, Medicare — which is, by the way, one of those “single payer” systems conservatives love to demonize — covers everyone 65 and older. And surveys show that Medicare recipients are much more satisfied with their coverage than Americans with private insurance.

Still, most Americans under 65 do have some form of private insurance. The vast majority, however, don’t buy it directly: they get it through their employers. There’s a big tax advantage to doing it that way, since employer contributions to health care aren’t considered taxable income. But to get that tax advantage employers have to follow a number of rules; roughly speaking, they can’t discriminate based on pre-existing medical conditions or restrict benefits to highly paid employees.

And it’s thanks to these rules that employment-based insurance more or less works, at least in the sense that horror stories are a lot less common than they are in the individual insurance market.

So here’s the bottom line: if you currently have decent health insurance, thank the government. It’s true that if you’re young and healthy, with nothing in your medical history that could possibly have raised red flags with corporate accountants, you might have been able to get insurance without government intervention. But time and chance happen to us all, and the only reason you have a reasonable prospect of still having insurance coverage when you need it is the large role the government already plays.

Which brings us to the current debate over reform.

Right-wing opponents of reform would have you believe that President Obama is a wild-eyed socialist, attacking the free market. But unregulated markets don’t work for health care — never have, never will. To the extent we have a working health care system at all right now it’s only because the government covers the elderly, while a combination of regulation and tax subsidies makes it possible for many, but not all, nonelderly Americans to get decent private coverage.

Now Mr. Obama basically proposes using additional regulation and subsidies to make decent insurance available to all of us. That’s not radical; it’s as American as, well, Medicare.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
7:56 pm

Health Care Co-Operatives: Doing It the Right Way

by Edmund F. Haislmaier, Dennis G. Smith and Nina Owcharenko
WebMemo #2493

As the U.S. Senate begins final preparations to mark-up health care reform, some key Senators are considering cooperatives as an alternative to a public health plan. The aim is to provide a health plan in any local market that families can feel is part of the community and always a dependable option.

What Are Co-Ops?

As Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND) and others have noted, cooperatives (or “co-ops”) have a long and rich history. For example, farmers established co-ops to market and distribute their produce, workers in some industries organized financial co-ops called “credit unions,” purchasing co-ops offer members access to a variety of goods and services at favorable terms, and when the term “co-op” is used in New York city, the speaker most likely means an apartment building collectively owned by its residents.

The co-op concept is also longstanding and widespread in the insurance sector, where it is known as a “mutual” insurance company. Thus, such large well-known companies as Mutual of Omaha and Northwestern Mutual Life are in fact cooperatives. There are also successful smaller, niche-market mutual insurers, such as Church Mutual (which offers lines of property, casualty, and liability coverage for member religious institutions) and Jeweler’s Mutual (which offers similar coverage lines for members engaged in making or selling jewelry).

When it comes to health care, a group that “organizes” coverage provided by insurers could be structured as a co-op, and a company that provides insurance could also be structured as a co-op. Both could be present in the same market.

Lots of organizations, some of which are member-owned cooperatives, help their members get access to various goods and services on preferential terms. For example, AARP performs this “organizing” function for its members when it arranges to get them access to discounts on travel, entertainment, and insurance. Members of a farm bureau often have access to similar products, such as financial and insurance benefits.

When it comes to buying health insurance, there are employer-based groups, such as the Lubbock Chamber of Commerce and the Cleveland Council of Smaller Enterprises (COSE), that organize coverage for their members’ workers. It is also not hard to envision applying the same model to other groups of individuals. Any of the sponsoring organizations could be member-owned cooperatives.

Why No Health Co-Ops Today?

In the case of cooperative or mutual insurers, while they are a longstanding feature in most other insurance markets, they are not found in today’s health insurance market. Instead, current health insurers are organized either as stockholder-owned companies or as non-profits operated (at least in part and at least in theory) for charitable purposes beyond simply selling health insurance. There is a reason for this, as discussed below.

Even the example Senator Conrad cites of Group Health Cooperative of Puget Sound is organized as a non-profit and is not, in fact, a mutual insurer. The key difference between Group Health Cooperative and other non-profit health insurers, such as Kaiser Permanente, is that Group Health includes in its bylaws provisions allowing policyholders to apply to be members, and it grants those members voting rights on certain governance issues, such as the election of directors. However, Group Health’s policyholders do not have ownership rights in the company the way the policyholder owners of, say, Northwestern Mutual Life do.

Some argue that federal involvement is necessary to organize, regulate, and “jumpstart” co-ops financially in the health sector. However, what is actually needed to allow health co-ops to flourish is for the federal government to remove barriers in the marketplace–most importantly itself.

What to Do

If Congress wants to provide Americans access to health co-ops, it would need to make it possible for an institution to combine tax-exempt (non-profit) status with mutual insurance status, something health plans cannot do today. Congress should allow mutual health insurance companies to form based on the credit union model. Under this model, Congress would simply grant non-profit status to mutual insurance companies, justified by the “member benefit” they provide.

Very likely, with this form of health care arrangement possible, various non-profit memberships and other organizations might link with a health co-op to make coverage available. State farm bureaus or consortia of churches, for instance, could establish such co-op health insurance.

In addition to these steps, addressing the tax treatment of health plan benefits in the individual tax code would help spur co-ops. If families could receive the same tax relief for joining a co-op–or any other free-standing health plan–as for enrolling in an employer-sponsored plan, there would be new options for the uninsured or underinsured.

Health Care Models to Avoid

Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY), a supporter of a public plan, introduced his key principles on a co-op system that go in the wrong direction and would end up with a federally run public plan in all but name. He states that a co-op must be national in scope, it must secure significant federal start-up funding, and it must be run by federal officials appointed by the President.[1]

There are “co-op” models that are the wrong way to provide health care and should be unacceptable to lawmakers, such as Senator Schumer’s thinly veiled public plan version. Simply calling some form of a government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) a “cooperative,” for instance, would be only another type of public plan in disguise.

A health insurance GSE, with its close relationship to the government, would tilt the market playing field and open the door to political manipulations–both of which would ultimately harm consumers. It would also create unjustifiable and unaffordable taxpayer exposure to financial risk.

One need look no further than Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to see how GSEs can distort the market and leave taxpayers with huge liabilities. Decades of market distortions generated by their implicit government backing, compounded by the effects of repeated political meddling by Congress, put those GSEs at the very epicenter of the mortgage market collapse that triggered the current financial crisis and recession. Furthermore, that GSE approach has now saddled American taxpayers with hundreds of billions of dollars in liabilities for just Fannie and Freddie alone–not counting the additional costs of the follow-on effects that their market-distorting practices produced in the rest of the financial system.

Furthermore, the rural electric cooperatives are yet another example of government involvement in the marketplace gone wrong. Close to 80 years after their creation, the federal government continues to subsidize these well-established cooperatives. Having government directly subsidize private cooperatives in health care would create similar unjustifiable distortions and taxpayer risks.

Principles for a Consumer Cooperative

Health care cooperatives can work as private entities in a private market and give another choice to families, but they have to be done right. Here are several principles that must be a part of any co-op model:

* Cooperatives must be voluntary, open to individuals who choose to freely join together without coercion or restraint, and controlled by its members, not the government;
* Cooperatives must be viable on their own and must not receive anti-competitive government support in any form including assumption of risk, “start-up” capital, or continuous subsidies to the organization–which would turn them into government-preferred public plans;
* Health plans must be selected only by a co-op’s members, not the government;
* Competitiveness must be based on the member strength of the cooperatives and not on any favored status, including government subsidies, access to government pricing, coverage or coding decisions, or regulatory intervention;
* Any necessary regulation to keep a level playing field among health plans must be reserved for the states;
* State reforms should open doors to competition, including the competition that cooperatives would bring; and
* All individuals–including those who receive public subsidies and individuals eligible for Medicaid or SCHIP–should be free to join cooperatives of their choice.

Consumer Choice Is Paramount

The entire basis for lawmakers even pursuing further discussions of the cooperative insurer concept must be to give consumers more options and control within the context of a “level playing field”–with all insurers subject to the same market rules. Under a true consumer-based cooperative, members would have a trusted partner to help them obtain private health insurance coverage for them and their families.

greg

July 31st, 2009
7:59 pm

Utube has a Barney Frank video with Barney explaining to someone that the public option will open the door for universal coverage. I smell a TV commercial.

Reconcilliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
8:12 pm

I smell public option being passed in the House and the Senate because the votes are there whatever commercials get run.

Reconcilliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
8:15 pm

53 Votes are already in the whip count in the House to pass a public option. 51 votes are needed in the Senate to pass public option. That pretty much makes commercials based on ignorance and misniformation by the party that had it’s ass handed to it on every amendment today in Waxman’s committee markup gnat on freight trains.

Reconcilliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
8:17 pm

There are already 53 votes in the House to pass a public option, and only 51 votes via the Reconciliation statute are required in the Senate to pass a public option and we have ‘em in spades.

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
8:47 pm

Palin can’t get a job at any wingnnut/whackjob/republitard radio company. They don’t want the nutjob that was the darlin’ of the white racist ignorant Jawjaws–only because she doesn’t look like Golda Mier and their stuck with the nags they married.

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
8:49 pm

that’d be the jawjaw crackers are stuck with the nag they married, and Palin (typically) cancelled out on the dinner at the Raegan library because she’s a whack job.

greg

July 31st, 2009
9:11 pm

Rcon- public option is as good as dead. All this time and still no bill. Might as well forget about hatin on Palin -she is not qualified for the big job, and she will not be nominated.

Obama gets a really weak bill by winter, claims victory, end of story. Well, not quite. He loses cap and tax and then white voters -independants- middle of roaders- throw him under the bus- one term Charlie.

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
10:16 pm

From maccacio:

It’s reporting time for health insurance companies, and so, to the tape. These are Wooten’s homeboys, the ones he wants to prosper while they kill tens of thousands of patients a year.

Aetna Inc. (AET) reports “…second-quarter 2009 operating earnings of $308.5 million, or $.68 per share, a 28 percent decrease from the prior-year quarter.” The company underestimated the explosion in medical costs, and set premiums too low (page 3). Not to worry, Wall Street:

Mark Bertolini, president, said, “We believe these increases in Commercial medical costs are largely the result of continued higher claim intensity, such as services rendered in a higher cost setting and more tests and procedures per visit, resulting in higher costs for emergency room, ambulatory, laboratory and preventive services. We are taking immediate actions to address these issues.”

That doesn’t bode well for policy holders or doctors, now does it?

Premium revenues were up $738.7, 11.8%, primarily from membership growth and premium increases (page 4). It’s distressing to think that wasn’t enough premium increase. Aetna admits thats that it’s benefit payout ratios are high. It paid out about 86% of commercial premiums in benefits, compared to 89% of Medicare revenues, and over 92% of Medicaid revenues, but it promises investors it will bring those commercial payout ratios back down, maybe to the 80% range where they were in the second quarter of 2008. That will leave plenty of money for dividends and stock repurchases. And bonuses.

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
10:30 pm

strong>The Bush Wooten Republitard Piggies at the Troth

August 1, 2009
Federal Agencies Diverted Earmark Money By RON NIXON and ASHLEY SOUTHALL
WASHINGTON — Thirteen federal agencies took nearly half a billion dollars off the top of Congressional earmarks for administrative expenses in 2008, nearly 3 percent of the total amount that members of Congress had directed to pet projects in federal spending bills.

The Defense Department led the way with nearly $240 million deducted from earmarks. Several agencies, including the Education and Housing and Urban Development Departments, did not withhold any money to process and provide oversight of earmarks.

The findings, summarized in a report from the White House Office of Management and Budget, provide the first governmentwide look at how much federal agencies keep from earmarked money.

The report was done at the request of Senator Ben Nelson, Democrat of Nebraska, who said he first learned of the practice three years ago when the recipient of an earmark he had requested notified him that it had not gotten the full amount.

“This is an issue of transparency,” Mr. Nelson said. “Some of these agencies are clearly taking money without any authority, and they should not have these off-budget expense accounts.”

Agency officials say they must use money from earmarks if they are required to put in place projects that they did not include in their budgets.

Many federal agencies can cite laws or rules that they say grant them the authority to take part of the earmarked money. But the laws and rules do not always specify the percentage that can be withheld, and some agencies say there is no law outlining how much they can take. As a result, many agencies have developed their own policies.</strong

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
10:49 pm

Cigna Corporation (CI), reports increased profits: $1.58 per share in the second quarter, up from the same year-ago quarter profit of $.96. Health care segment results were pretty good at $177mn, down slightly from the same year-ago quarter, but up from $154mn in the first quarter. CI says:

Premiums and fees in the second quarter 2009 decreased approximately 7% relative to second quarter 2008 primarily due to a decline in medical membership, partially offset by rate increases.

That decline in membership was 7.3%, 878,000 human beings. Better luck next quarter.

WellPoint, Inc. (WLP), reported that second quarter income was $693.5, down somewhat over the same year-ago quarter. A large part of that difference was the investment losses of $.07 in the second quarter, compared with losses of $.03 in the same year-ago quarter. A good bit of the reduction of revenues is lower membership. Here’s what WLP says about that:

Medical enrollment totaled 34.2 million members at June 30, 2009, a decrease of 1.1 million members, or 3.0 percent, from 35.3 million at June 30, 2008. The decline in membership was most significant in the Local Group business, which experienced a 734,000-member reduction from the prior year quarter, primarily due to in-group enrollment losses caused by the rise in unemployment.

WLP projects an increase in medical expenses of 8% for the rest of the year. It tells us that it intends to increase premiums enough to stay ahead of that trend, plus its costs. Page 2.

It looks like one big problem for these companies is loss of premiums because of unemployment. These companies must be salivating at the prospects of government subsidized premiums. Current profits are enough to pay for drinks and dinner for lobbyists and their dear dear Congressional friends.

Davo

July 31st, 2009
11:43 pm

Sorry…didn’t bother to read JW’s rant; I don’t think anything there would change…but that other guy Kyle Wingsomthinorother…..

Don’t look to these guys for leaders imho

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

August 1st, 2009
1:32 am

FOR FOOLS LIKE TRAY AND MIKE,IF THE REPUBLICANS WERE DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB,THEY WOULDNT HAVE BEEN VOTED OUT NUMBNUTS!

FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
9:09 am

Well, well, well. The government cash for hoopties program is was nearly canceled like a government stamp. A last ditch effort by Congress infused more cash into the program yesterday. The brilliant government analysts kinda “miscalculated” the popularity of the program. Well hell’s bell’s. You think those libtards running Congress would “miscalculate” your health care just a little bit, hmmmm? And you chucknuts on the pathetic libtard left want them to take it over when they can’t even run a simpleton OLD CAR = CASH AT DEALER FOR NEW CAR government program. Are you people serious? Good gawd how pathetic!

FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
9:22 am

Afghanistan. Listening to NPR yesterday morning on the way to work, the “news” reporter stated that the record deaths in the entire war effort last month (under Obama) were due to the US military in the past not encroaching into territory aligned much with the Taliban – in other words, they were never really challenged before. Do you think NPR would have stated that in Iraq (or Afghanistan) during the Bush years? As usual, the media trumps up and downplays “news” depending on what needs to be reported (good or bad) and who is in office.

No further proof of that needs to be had than Newsweek attempting to validate the positives of the Great Depression in a pseudo attempt to prop up the current economy and make us all feel good. After all, the libtards in the DNC media can’t allow their wonder from Chicago with no experience (who they propped up and put on a media pedestal) fail and look back. Yes, just smile when taking another bite of that sh!t sandwich those Dhimmicrats in Washington and their media keep dishing out to us. And without further adue, I produce the Newsweek article. Note the jubilant attitude and positives brought forth of living in hard times. Again, did we get this kind of “news” from “News”week during the Bush years? And unemployment sure as hell wasn’t at 10% back then either.

The Upside of Depression

“History largely records the 1930s as a bleak chapter in American life. But some famous survivors fondly recall a time of resourcefulness, altruism, and even joy.”

http://www.newsweek.com/id/209109?GT1=43002

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

August 1st, 2009
9:24 am

BOY THESE REDNECKS ARE FUNNY,THEY SPEAK ABOUT SOCIALISM MARISM AND LIBRALISM DONE BY THE DEMOCRAPS.

BUT NEVER DO THEY EXPLAIN WHY THEY WANT DICTATORSHIP AMONG THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

ALSO WHEN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE PROSPERING THE DEMOCRAPS ARE IN OFFICE,BUT WHEN AMERICA GOES TO HELL AND BROKE THE REPUBLICANS ARE ALWAYS IN POWER,THEY ONLY LOOK OUT FOR C.E.O’S AND NOT YOUR AVERAGE BROKE REDNECK,SO LET’EM KEEP GETTING SCREWED OVER BY THE GOP,GREAT JOB BUSH AND CHENEY FOR 8 PROSPEROUS YEARS,WE HAD EXTRA JOBS ADDED AND WE DIDNT HAVE A RECESSION,SONNY DID A GREAT JOB ALONG WITH THE GEORGIA REPUBLICANS,THANKS FOR ALL THOSE JOBS GEORGIA GAIN DURING THE GOP RULE,YEAH RIGHT!

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 1st, 2009
9:31 am

It seems like the Wooten mousketeers whose whacko fringe party loses all elections and votes can’t read at all. Just like Palin their heroine who can’t even get hired by right wingut radio–none of ‘em want the whackjob lol and they took Rush.

U.S. Economic Contraction Slowed in Quarter By CATHERINE RAMPELL and JACK HEALY
The American economy’s long decline leveled off significantly from April through June, the government reported on Friday, crystallizing expectations of a turnaround in the second half of the year.

The nation’s output shrank at an annual pace of 1 percent in the second quarter, after contracting at a rate of 6.4 percent earlier this year. Government spending, helped by the first payments from the administration’s $787 billion stimulus package, propped up activity in the latest quarter and accounted for 20 percent of the country’s output.

Friday’s report on gross domestic product — a broad gauge of the country’s output — painted a bleaker picture of the recession than earlier estimates had. It showed that the Bush administration had driven the economy to the abyss of a depression, and that the Obama administration has pulled it back and it is on a positive trajectory. Job growth always lags when the US is pushed to the line of depression, until businesses can begin profitting again, and it will take months to pick up.

The Commerce Department said the economy tumbled downward at an annual rate of 6.4 percent this winter, more than the 5.5 percent previously reported, as the country reeled from the shocks of the financial crisis. It also found economic growth of only 0.4 percent in all of 2008, compared with earlier assessments of 1.1 percent.

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

August 1st, 2009
9:32 am

DUMB DUMBS LIKE FAILED LIBRALISM FORGET TO MENTION THAT A DEPRESSION WAS BOUGHT ON BY BUSH,REMEMBER DUMB HICK OBAMA HAS BEEN IN OFFICE FOR 7 MONTHS,YOUR BOY BUSH CAUSED THIS MESS,BUT NEVER WILL YOU HICKS PLACE BLAME ON THE DEVILWORSHIPER BUSH.

FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
9:43 am

Did someone hear a couple roaches scurrying around on this blog? Idunno, I thought I heard something. Ever notice how they always appear and disappear around the same time and leave their little roach turds behind? Anyway, let’s see how great this economy is, shall we?

“The US economy lost far more jobs in June than had been predicted by economists, and the unemployment rate hit 9.5 percent, its highest level since 1983, according to data released by the Labor Department on Thursday. The June jobless report undercut the efforts of the Obama administration and the media to downplay the depth of the economic crisis and generate illusions of a rapid recovery.”

FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
9:49 am

Yes, and the libtard FAILED hooptie for cash program being ignored here is duly noted. Moving along………

Mr. Saturday Night Live whose camp stole a congressional seat in Minnesota is showing his leadership skills. Like his brilliant questioning of Sotomayor and asking her about Perry Mason. Now, he’s going after Tbone (Pickens). Apparently the junior senator with the little man syndrome is bringing up the Swift Boat ads. Again. How amusing. Let these people self destruct, please.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25667.html

FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
9:54 am

Too bad I missed this gem from the libtards at NPR. This would have been good:

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NPR legal reporter Nina Totenberg criticized conservative opposition to socialized medicine on Friday’s edition of the talk-show Inside Washington, distributed to PBS stations. She suggested that Republican delays are “mischief-making,” proclaimed “the misinformation on what’s in the bill is astonishing,” and even suggested she was about to use a crude metaphor for the overwhelming power of insurers: “The insurance companies have – unless there’s a very aggressive regulator, they have – I was about to use an expression one shouldn’t use on television.”

First, she complained that Republican leaders are obstructing progress on health care:

And the reason that the Gang of Six, so-called, in the Senate Finance Committee didn’t produce something is that the Republican leadership intervened and said ‘Don’t do this. Leave us August to do what we can do.’ You can call it mischief-making, you can call it obstructionism, you can call it constructive criticism, but that’s what happened.

From there, the longtime NPR star went on the attack against the overwhelming power of insurers. I’d guess she was going to say insurers have Americans by the family jewels:

TOTENBERG: One thing that nobody mentions is the insurance companies have an antitrust exemption. And if – you can’t talk to a doctor or a small business insurer who isn’t sort of presented with the rates they’re going to pay. Where it’s the doctor and liability, or the small business insurer wants to buy for their employees. The insurance companies have – unless there’s a very aggressive regulator, they have – I was about to use an expression one shouldn’t use on television.

GORDON PETERSON, host: Let’s try to stay on the air.

Just like the PBS show Washington Week in the half-hour preceding it on Washington PBS station WETA, Inside Washington talked about Speaker Nancy Pelosi telling Judy Woodruff on the NewsHour that the insurance companies made “immoral profits,” and Rep. Virginia Foxx suggesting the new talk from Team Obama about Medicare sending “end-of-life” specialists to discuss medical wishes with the elderly is akin to execution:

PETERSON: Republican Congressman [sic] Virginia Foxx of North Carolina, she said on the House floor that the Republican plan would not put seniors in the position of being put to death by their government. I just wanna say, as someone in that age group, I support that. (Laughter.)

TOTENBERG: The misinformation about what’s in the bill is astonishing. The misinformation – some of it, you know, by error, and some of it, a great deal of it by deliberation — is really astonishing.

Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer replied to Totenberg that in single-payer health systems like Britain’s, the elderly are not granted organ transplants or other life-extending therapies, and they die because of a government decision.
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Yep, isn’t that just like such caring libtardism: throw the old people under the bus. Because after all, they voted dumocrat, paid their taxes in their lives, bled for socialist security, and now aren’t needed anymore and a drain on Communist Care.

FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
10:04 am

Oh, and my good man John Stossel knows how to lay it out:

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On Friday’s 20/20 on ABC, co-anchor John Stossel exposed the flaws in Canada’s government-run health care system, and even showed viewers a clip of President Obama as he once expressed a belief that single-payer health care would be an acceptable system, even while taking the position that he would not pursue it, during one of the Democratic party presidential debates in 2008. During the January 21, 2008, debate on CNN, Obama had said:

“It’s fine for us to have a debate about how the best way to get there is, but to suggest somehow that I’m not interested in having everybody covered, or to suggest, as Hillary just did, that I was in favor of single payer, I never said that we should try to go ahead and get single payer. What I said was that if I were starting from scratch, if we didn’t have a system in which employers had typically provided health care, I would probably go with a single-payer system.”

During the six-minute, 20-second segment, Stossel informed viewers of the long waits patients must endure in countries with government-run health systems – like Canada and Britain. He recounted that some patients – including world leaders and wealthy celebrities – come to America for treatment of serious conditions, and relayed the case of one Canadian woman who came to America to treat a clogged artery whose American doctor told her she would not have survived waiting a few more weeks for Canada’s government health care. Additionally, Stossel found that even patients waiting in emergency rooms in Canada have to wait an average of 23 hours for service.
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FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
10:09 am

Chris Dodd? Does that name ring a bell to anyone? If not, you can thank the current economic conditions in part to him.

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On Friday’s CBS Evening News, correspondent Sharyl Attkisson filed a report recounting mortgage company Countrywide Financial’s history of offering special deals on loans to government officials – including figures with connections to President Clinton, President Bush, and President Obama. But, while the two most prominent figures currently still in government who are implicated in the scandal are Democratic Senators Christopher Dodd and Kent Conrad, neither Senator was identified by Attkisson as a Democrat. Even while soundbites of the two Senators were shown, there was not even an on-screen label showing the party of either Senator. Until the end of the story, the only clue viewers had as to either Senator’s party was when Attkisson identified Dodd as being the “head” of a Senate committee.

But later, the CBS correspondent did more directly link one other figure to Republican members of Congress as she read documentation citing Countrywide’s interest in a former House committee counsel, Clinton Jones. Quoting an “internal Countrywide email,” Attkisson described him as “‘an advisor to ranking Republican members of Congress responsible for legislation of interest [to Countrywide].’”

It was not until the end of the report, after a soundbite of Republican Congressman Darrell Issa – whose party was labeled on screen – complaining about Countrywide’s actions, that Attkisson finally hinted that Democrats may have more to fear from the scandal as she relayed that “Democrats are blocking a Republican effort to subpoena Countrywide documents.”
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FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
10:21 am

The good man Charles Rangel (chairman of the House Ways & Means Committee – for you libtard Obamabots, that’s the part of the government that establishes tax policies) wants to impose a 5.4% income surcharge tax for the most productive Americans in society (again, for you libtard Obamabots, that means the EVIL RICH). Too bad Rangel “forgot” about paying HIS OWN taxes, eh? But let’s give him the benefit of the doubt: old age. Oh, and yes, he’s a Democrat, naturally.

“Ever notice that those who endorse high taxes and those who actually pay them aren’t the same people? Consider the curious case of Ways and Means Chairman Charlie Rangel, who is leading the charge for a new 5.4-percentage point income tax surcharge and recently called it “the moral thing to do.” About his own tax liability he seems less, well, fervent.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203946904574300013592601036.html

Well said as always, WSJ. We sure as hell won’t get this news from DNCNN, PMSNBC, and the Atlanta Urinal Constipation.

FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
10:26 am

Just for kicks, let’s check in with the Obamanation and see how we’re doing, shall we? Yes, we shall (or can… HAHA!). Sorry. Here’s the latest Obamorameter report:

“The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 30% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-eight percent (38%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -8″

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/august_2009/obama_index_august_1_2009/237535-1-eng-US/obama_index_august_1_2009.jpg

Woohoo!

NR to tha' B

August 1st, 2009
11:07 am

Yesss…we must give ourselves over to the government…because we’re all in this together!

That guy down the street with no health insurance is my responsibility because, well…because we’re all human and breathe the same air!

Due to the fact that he has two arms and two legs, and I have two arms and two legs, I hereby agree to let the government club me over the head and steal from me and give it to him…it does not matter that I have my OWN family to provide for, I’m a world citizen and it’s my duty…no!…my OBLIGATION to provide for everyone else!

I mean, what kind of sick, twisted, soulless person would demand that they be able to keep most of the money that they work 12-16 hours a day to “earn”…whatever that means to “earn”….

Don’t they know that the very definition of greed is someone that is upset that they work for 6 months out of the year so that people in Africa can get condoms and Barney Frank can get corn cobs rammed up his ass in some San Francisco bath-house…the nerve

Plus I saw on Comedy Central that an illegal alien was unable to get a free abortion in Texas, I mean whats up with that…we’re all one world, which means we have to pay for the rest of the world too…and free abortions are a right…killing unborn babies is soooo cool….well gotta go run I’m protesting the death penalty today because they’re giving a serial killer the electric chair TTYL GTG YES WE CAN!

Stomp the tards--they make it easy.

August 1st, 2009
12:17 pm

A lot of the morons here, who of course believe health care is all about them but in reality don’t know jack squat about medicine or how to prevent commonplace events like MI, CVA, etc. don’t realize that health care costs have grown over 300% over the economy whch was reported yesterday to be recovering steadily after the Republitards drove it into the ground since 1980. Tomorrow on ABC Stephanopolis, one of the few publitards who will take responsiblity, Greenspan is going to say he fooked up the economy badly stopping regulation of CDS’s.

But there is good news. All of these republitards are going to have little effect on a public alternative to the insurance rapists. It’s going to happen. We have the votes and we can crush the Blue dogs with them. 53 votes in the House and growing to crush ‘em and we only need 51 votes in the Senate via Reconciliation which the Palintards here don’t understand even though I posted it.

The NYT poll out this morning has these numbers. Yep the Wooten comment section gets the whackjob minority of the Pubtard party–it’s an epicenter for the people the Senator from Ohio wants out of the Pubbytard party–the Sourthern whackjobs.

Agaiin congrats that your Saint Sarah the moron can’t even get hired by whackjob wingnut radio! I see a place for Sarah the whackjob as the lead columnist for the AJC whacknut paper–run by Cox rightwingwhacknuts.

90% of Americans want health care reform, more Americans approve (46%) than disapprove (38%) of how President Obama is handling health care reform (Congressional Republicans only have a 17% approval rating on this topic), and far more Americans have a favorable opinion of the Democrats (47%) than of the Republicans (28%). Even the news of Chris Dodd’s battle with prostate cancer — a battle that, as he says, he can fight effectively because he has access to health care options that are out of the reach of most Americans — is being downplayed by a media that knows such news is helpful to the cause of reform..

Stomp the tards--they make it easy.

August 1st, 2009
12:19 pm

NR to the B isn’t near an income bracket that was on the table for higher taxes LOL–how dumb these people are.

Stomp the tards--they make it easy.

August 1st, 2009
12:24 pm

A public plan is not just about getting an insurance alternative for everyone, including the 15% of this country who is uninsured–it’s about stopping the treatment of doctors like dirt by insurance companies and the cancelling of policies of people who pay for insurance themselves or get it paid by their businesses but get an illness that has a considerable price tag to take care of.

It’s about keeping physicians from leaving medicine, and a number of them are, because they can make more money with less headaches and late nights invested, and calls 24X7.

I haven’t seen any evidence that the idiots here know enough to provide medical care for themselves.

FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
12:34 pm

Ladies and gents, what we have here is a failure to communicate. And of course denial libtardism:

1. Most Americans do not believe that the U.S. health care system is in a state of crisis. The economy outweighs health care as the most pressing problem facing the country and in Americans’ personal lives.

2. Americans are not convinced that health care reform will benefit them personally. This is, in part, because most Americans are satisfied with their current medical care and access to health care. Seniors in particular are not convinced that health care reform will benefit them.

3. Americans agree that health care costs are a major problem for the country. Americans do not, however, believe that health care reform would lessen costs — neither for the system as a whole nor for individuals.

Yeah, someone explain that one to Nancytox who ignored the CBO along with other libtards.

FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
12:36 pm

“I haven’t seen any evidence that the idiots here know enough to provide medical care for themselves.”

Yeah. So that’s why you dipsh!t libtards are attempting to use government power (talk about imperialism – Bush had nothing on you neo-Marxist libtards) to regulate what we choose to eat and drink. Yep, you freedom loving libtards you……..

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 1st, 2009
12:55 pm

We don’t give a sh_t what you personally eat and drink. Try gasoline/antifreeze. The world will be a much better place. Do it now.

Those of us who see patients and get them better, and have for years know that women devestated by the costs their insurance doesn’t pay for a mastectomy sure as hell aren’t satisfied with their health care.

Further, a huge percentage of seniors can’t afford the medications that have to be Rx’d for them because the insurance plans in place now leave a huge “donut hole” where there is a gap between what their insurance pays for their mediciations, their social security and/or their income with their social security reduced according to that income.

Doctors have had it with the monopolistic imperialism of insurance companies–that’s where the dictatorship is. We’re going to have an alternative. Every physicians’ organization fully supports a public health care alternative and it’s going to happen. Deal with it.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 1st, 2009
12:58 pm

Yes, the GOP’s Still Out of Touch
by Nate Silver @ 1:00 PM

We’ve talked a little bit about the problems that Democrats are having on health care messaging. But just in case you needed a reminder that two can play at this game — this is from Representative Tom Price (R-GA), in a Politico editorial unveiling the Republicans’ “new” health care plan:

Thursday marks the anniversary of the most significant piece of health care legislation in our nation’s history. It was on this day in 1965 that President Lyndon B. Johnson signed Medicare into law, ensuring government health care for seniors. Forty-four years later, Congress is debating another monumental act that may affect the health coverage of every American.

Contrary to what the president has tried to convince the American people of, while we oppose his misguided ideas, Republicans are committed to positive health reform. No one in Congress finds the status quo acceptable. [...]

Going down the path of more government will only compound the problem. While the stated goal remains noble, as a physician, I can attest that nothing has had a greater negative effect on the delivery of health care than the federal government’s intrusion into medicine through Medicare. Because of Washington’s one-size-fits-all approach, its flawed coverage rules and broken financing mechanisms, seniors are increasingly having care rationed while federal health spending spirals out of control.
Emphasis mine. Medicare is one of the most popular “government intrusions” in the United States. About 60 percent of people participating in Medicare rate their coverage as a 9 or 10 on a 10-point scale (versus 36-40 percent for private insurance), and 84 percent rate it as a 7 out of 10 or higher (h/t Mark Blumenthal). In the most recent Kaiser Foundation tracking poll, moreover, 77 percent of Americans would like to see Medicare expanded to people aged 55 and older. Questions that refer to the public option as a “Medicare-like” program usually receive higher scores than those that don’t. Questions that refer to single-payer as “Medicare-for-all” usually receive plurality or majority support: 58 percent, for instance, in the Kaiser poll. Yes, people have concerns about the long-term fiscal stability of Medicare — but not about the care it provides.

To compare the President’s current reform efforts to Medicare is for all intents and purposes a Democratic talking point. That Republicans saw fit to include it in what was surely supposed to be a boffo editorial outlining their new plan suggests that they may talk their way out of stopping health care reform yet.

More generally, there’s not a lot of evidence that Americans have strong ideological dispositions about health insurance. Health insurance is about the three C’s: (low) cost, (broad) coverage and choice of treatment and physicians. If Americans can be convinced that publicly-run insurance plans can help them achieve those things, they will happily support them.

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August 1st, 2009
1:00 pm

Who the f_ck is Nate Silver say the Palintards–we don’t read so we don’t know,

Nate Silver was a child math prodogy. He became a leading baseball statistician/writer/consultant to major league teams along with Bill James and he does remarkably accurate math analysis of politics at http://www.fivethirtyeight.com

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August 1st, 2009
1:14 pm

From Glenn Greenwald @ Salon:

The New York Times this morning has a remarkable story, and incredibly, the article’s author, Brian Stelter, doesn’t even acknowledge, let alone examine, what makes the story so significant. In essence, the chairman of General Electric (which owns MSNBC), Jeffrey Immelt, and the chairman of News Corporation (which owns Fox News), Rupert Murdoch, were brought into a room at a “summit meeting” for CEOs in May, where Charlie Rose tried to engineer an end to the “feud” between MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann and Fox’s Bill O’Reilly. According to the NYT, both CEOs agreed that the dispute was bad for the interests of the corporate parents, and thus agreed to order their news employees to cease attacking each other’s news organizations and employees.

Most notably, the deal wasn’t engineered because of a perception that it was hurting either Olbermann or O’Reilly’s show, or even that it was hurting MSNBC. To the contrary, as Olbermann himself has acknowledged, his battles with O’Reilly have substantially boosted his ratings. The agreement of the corporate CEOs to cease criticizing each other was motivated by the belief that such criticism was hurting the unrelated corporate interests of GE and News Corp

The sad truth is that what Olbermann and O’Reilly were doing in this particular instance was one of the rare examples of good journalism on these types of shows. Olbermann was holding O’Reilly’s feet to the fire about his repeated falsehoods and embarrassing positions. In turn, O’Reilly was giving the public accurate and disturbing information about General Electric, including extensive technology dealings with Iran. In my personal opinion, this was one of the rare useful pieces of information O’Reilly ever presented to his audience, and Olbermann was there to show how lousy the rest of O’Reilly’s information was. Though it was in the context of a bitter feud, the two men were actually engaging in real journalism, at least in this case. (One of the rare times for O’Reilly).

And now we have an example of GE’s forcibly silencing the top-rated commentator on MSNBC — ordering him not to hold Fox News accountable any longer — because, in return, News Corp. has agreed to silence its own commentators from criticizing GE. The corporations that own our largest news organizations have extensive relationships with the federal government. Anyone (like Charlie Rose) who denies that those relationships influence how these news organizations “report” on the government — driven by the desire which corporate executives have to avoid alienating the government officials on whom their corporate interests depend, or avoid alienating potential customer bases for their products — is completely delusional. GE’s forcing Keith Olbermann to cease his criticism of Fox News and Bill O’Reilly is a clear and vivid example of how that works.

FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
3:22 pm

Yep, the libtard meltdown continues. Even PMSN’s Slate libs question wtf with their hero:

“We’re behind you, Barack, but slow down. That was the message from a dozen independent voters who chatted with veteran pollster Peter Hart Wednesday night.”

Huh? How about actually acting presidential for a change instead of a community Chicago organizer who’d never been on the defensive before, eh? Eh.

http://www.slate.com/id/2223909/?GT1=38001

PS: nobody ever asked you what you care about what we AMERICANS eat/drink, blog libtard troglodyte.

FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
3:38 pm

TOTUS defends his Pelositox-bred stimulus bill. Raping through Congress without even being read. Remember all those comments about jobs being saved and actually created? Uh huh. Watching this administration flounder around on reality is a sight to behold. And will result in a voter revolt. You can already see the mindless hate pigs in the DNC media and on this blog defecating themselves over Palin and saying that Republicans are defeated (NO SH!T the last time I checked). Read between the lines there and see who is more concerned.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE56S4MA20090729?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews

Sure am glad unemployment never went above 8% as Bidenplugs promised!

Michael H. Smith

August 1st, 2009
4:16 pm

Perhaps bruce wilcox, real name brucie a.k.a. posting under various retarded pseudonyms should have better calibrated his words.

Dinner time at the “trough” (correctly spelled and used) for you brucie:

http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/SiteImages/FeaturePhoto/650.jpg

Eat up chump!

FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
4:23 pm

Libtardism of dumocrats:

1) Damn the majority of the nation with health care and turn it over to the government so illegals can get it (and vote). The poor have nothing to do with it. Otherwise we’d see a breakdown from the mouth breathing libtards on WHO is entitled – like those who can afford it but choose to buy a new car.

2) Damn those who have taken the liberty to pursue the freedom of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness – based on income and projected through class warfare and higher taxes

3) Defecate on a Conservative blog, while we are irrelevant and lost elections mind you, and continue their hatred that is more in line against their fellow Americans who don’t agree with their libtard policies, and less in line with Al Qaeda who they seem more concerned about, from the waterboarding head down.

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

August 1st, 2009
4:29 pm

NOTICE IT IS ALWAYS THE EVIL REDNECKS LIKE FAILED LIBRALISM WHO SPEAK OF WAR,BUT NEVER WILL GO FIGHT,ALSO IT`S PEOPLE LIKE THIS NUT WHO GO TO CHURCH ON SUNDAY,BUT SPITS EVIL MONDAY THRU SAT,NEVER DO YOU HEAR THE EVIL HICKS DOING LIKE JESUS,IT IS ALWAYS THE WAY OF SATAN ME ME ME,THEY SPEAK BIG WORDS THAT ONLY MEANS LIES,SO NEXT TIME A GOP TALKS TOUGH,TELL`EM TO PUT UP OR SHUT-UP,HELP THE POOR LIKE JESUS WOULD DO,IF NOT GO TO HELL REDNECKS!

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

August 1st, 2009
4:35 pm

FOR YOUR INFO DUMB DUMB FAILED LIBRALISM,BUSH REAGAN RUMMY AND OLIVER NORTH SUPPLIED AL-QAEDA AND THE TALIBAN,BUT YOU EVIL LIERS NEVER TELL THIS PART DO YOU FAILED LIBRALISM,RUMMY SHAKING HANDS WITH TERROIST SADDAM HUSSAIN,AND BUSH JR KISSING THE PRINCE OF SAUDIA ARABIA HAND,REMEMBER THE 9-11 HIJACKERS WERE SAUDIA ARABIA,NOT IRAQ LIKE YALL STUPID REPUBLICANS BELIEVE,DONT TELL YOUR LIES ON THESE BLOGS HICK BECAUSE I WILL BLAST YOUR LIES OUTTA THE WATER,WITH THE TRUTH HICK!

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

August 1st, 2009
4:42 pm

PEOPLE HAVE AWAKEN FROM THE SLEEP OF THE REPUBLICAN LIES,YOU CAN`T YELL WOLF FOREVER,ALL OF THE LIES THAT THE GOP HAS TOLD THESE MANY YEARS,THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE SAYING NO,TO THE BULL$HIT THAT ANY REPUBLICAN NUT SPEAKS ABOUT,THE AMERICAN PEOPLE LOOK AT HISTORY,AND FROM HISTORY WHEN A REPUBLICAN IS IN POWER THE PEOPLE GO BROKE,AND COMPANIES GET RICH,WHEN THE DEMOCRAPS ARE IN POWER AT LEAST THEY TRY TO LOOK OUT FOR THE PEOPLE!

FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
4:53 pm

Roach alert! LMAO.

For the grown up thinking folks (ie: non-libtard Obamabots) here’s some more news:

The US Post Office is now on the tard list of government failure.Yep, you read that right. A government entity of the government, by the government, and run by the government (which gave birth to free capitalism’s UPS because the government dipsh!ts couldn’t figure out how to overnight a package) is now on the “high risk” list by the GAO (for you dullard mouth breathing libtard Obamabots, that’s the Government Accountability Office).

Yep:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Post-Office-to-get-hit-with-high-risk-rating-as-business-keeps-falling-51872987.html

FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
5:08 pm

This is a little old news, but still a goodie. The mindless libtard asshats who are always so concerned about OFFENDING someone or some group puts the word “retarded” in their Communist Care bill. I mean, you really, REALLY cannot make this kind of mindless idiotic libtardism up. Stupid is as stupid does:

Last updated: 3:30 am
July 26, 2009
Posted: 3:05 am
July 26, 2009

The proposed health-insurance bill from the House of Representatives refers to mentally disabled people as “retarded” — a term advocates, relatives and physicians find outdated and offensive.

The bill refers to: “A hospital or a nursing facility or intermediate-care facility for the mentally retarded . . .”

The phrase could cause more problems with groups for the developmentally disabled, who were angered when President Obama referred to his poor bowling skills on “The Tonight Show” as “like the Special Olympics.” Obama later apologized.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07262009/news/nationalnews/retarded_house_bill_181448.htm

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August 1st, 2009
5:29 pm

We’ll make damned sure to substitute the words “Palin low bad sick” for “retarded” bubby, and the next time you purport to say what offends physicians you have a lot of years to get into schools and programs that would no more look at you than radio conglomerates will touch the sick moron Palin.

The important thing is to stop the Republitards from compromising care for the mentally challenged (which would include every republitard by definition that draws a breath). The party of Wooten also wants to cut off S-Chip and we’ve already insured that won’t take place.

Wooten yammers about children ad nauseam in his half witted columns but he doesn’t want to fund them. It’s like the right to lifers–they’re obsessed to get every child born and then those children can have total sh_t for homes and care from that moment on.

Many of them grow up to be ignorant cracker white Republitards.

Unless you’re a physician, don’t start telling the rest of us who are MDs what would offend physicians. The health care bills passed by 3 committees in the Senate and 3 Committess in the House will be

1) melded into a final bill in the report of a Conference committee
2) Made into the form the White House and most of ***us physicians wants because we only need 51 votes in the Senate and we have the votes in the House already to do it.

I’d check what got passed in Waxman’s committee at 9:30PM last night. You won’t find it in the AJC, so find a decent newspaper or operate out of ignorance.

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August 1st, 2009
5:34 pm

There are reports that the mavericky maverick untreated Borderline personality Palin and macho snow machine wrangler First Dude are callin’ it quits. Wonder where and when sick lady will dump her trisomy or her daughter’s trisomy baby? When responsiblity calls, sick Sarah ducks.

Michael H. Smith

August 1st, 2009
5:44 pm

Obumer should do more than re- calibrate his words, he should fire top health adviser Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. He has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.

Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free. “Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely ‘lipstick’ cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change,” he wrote last year (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008).

Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, “as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others” (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008).

Yes, that’s what patients want their doctors to do. But Emanuel wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their patients and consider social justice, such as whether the money could be better spent on somebody else.

Many doctors are horrified by this notion; they’ll tell you that a doctor’s job is to achieve social justice one patient at a time.

Emanuel, however, believes that “communitarianism” should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those “who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens (like COPD afflicted brucie wilcox). . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia” (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. ‘96).

Translation: Don’t give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson’s or a child with cerebral palsy. (or COPD patients)

He explicitly defends discrimination against older patients: “Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years” (Lancet, Jan. 31).

The bills being rushed through Congress will be paid for largely by a $500 billion-plus cut in Medicare over 10 years.* Knowing how unpopular the cuts will be, the president’s budget director, Peter Orszag, urged Congress this week to delegate its own authority over Medicare to a new, presidentially-appointed bureaucracy that wouldn’t be accountable to the public.

Since Medicare was founded in 1965, seniors’ lives have been transformed by new medical treatments such as angioplasty, bypass surgery and hip and knee replacements. These innovations allow the elderly to lead active lives. But “Emanuel” criticizes Americans for being too “enamored with technology” and is determined to reduce access to it.

* President Obumer applauds Medicare as government ran healthcare while he aims cutting $500 billion in funding from acclaimed success that is now shouldering an $84 trillion unfunded liability and will be bankrupt by 2017!
(If steps are not taken to correct Medicare problems – cutting $500 billion plus in funding and denying benefits are not the appropriate steps)

A good example of a Government ran socialist healthcare system run amuck by politicians past and present like Obumer and his socialist liberal comrades. Now these clowns ask the American public to trust them with destroying what is left of their healthcare in much the same fashion?

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 1st, 2009
5:49 pm

From tbogg trackin’ Sick Borderline Personality balin’ from the Reagan library fundraiser this time:

Once you learn to quit, it becomes a habit – V. Lombardi

The former Queen of Moosylvania is bailin’ again:

Just days after officially stepping down as governor of Alaska, former GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is dropping out of an advertised speaking engagement in Simi Valley.

Palin was slated to attend on Aug. 8 the 50th anniversary gala of the Simi Valley Republican Women, Federated, at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Museum. It would have been her first public appearance since leaving office and had been widely reported by media outlets.

Pat Saraceno, the spokeswoman for the Simi Valley Republican Women, said they found out Thursday that Palin wasn’t coming.

“I had direct knowledge as of yesterday. I am not going to comment on how or from whom,” said Saraceno.

“There’s no harm, no foul. We always respected the (former) governor’s right to change course.”

Saraceno said the group would not be commenting further.

That seems a little, um, terse, doesn’t it? I wonder why? Oh:

It was on Thursday that Palin’s spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton made public the news of the decision not to attend the event via Palin’s Facebook page. She wrote that Palin had never committed to coming to Simi Valley and had requested several weeks ago that her name be removed from the invitation.

So, according to Saraceno, she just found out as of yesterday, but Meg “Lips Apart, Lies Coming Out” Stapleton said that Palin opposite-RSVP’d a couple of weeks ago. Which… means… that either the Simi Valley Republican Women Federated were selling tickets under false pretenses or, well… you know the drill.

It seems like only a few weeks ago that someone wrote:

Sarah Palin breaks open her High School Musical day-planner and makes plans for August 8th for her coming out party … in pencil:

Unless someone with a more bitchin’ car invites her to the prom….

Michael H. Smith

August 1st, 2009
5:54 pm

O’S BROKEN PROMISES
HEALTH BILLS V. PREZ’S WORDS
By BETSY MCCAUGHEY

July 17, 2009 – President Obama promises that “if you like your health plan, you can keep it,” even after he reforms our health-care system. That’s untrue. The bills now before Congress would force you to switch to a managed-care plan with limits on your access to specialists and tests.

Two main bills are being rushed through Congress with the goal of combining them into a finished product by August. Under either, a new government bureaucracy will select health plans that it considers in your best interest, and you will have to enroll in one of these “qualified plans.” If you now get your plan through work, your employer has a five-year “grace period” to switch you into a qualified plan. If you buy your own insurance, you’ll have less time.

And as soon as anything changes in your contract — such as a change in copays or deductibles, which many insurers change every year — you’ll have to move into a qualified plan instead (House bill, p. 16-17).

When you file your taxes, if you can’t prove to the IRS that you are in a qualified plan, you’ll be fined thousands of dollars — as much as the average cost of a health plan for your family size — and then automatically enrolled in a randomly selected plan (House bill, p. 167-168).

It’s one thing to require that people getting government assistance tolerate managed care, but the legislation limits you to a managed-care plan even if you and your employer are footing the bill (Senate bill, p. 57-58). The goal is to reduce everyone’s consumption of health care and to ensure that people have the same health-care experience, regardless of ability to pay.

Nowhere does the legislation say how much health plans will cost, but a family of four is eligible for some government assistance until their household income reaches $88,000 (House bill, p. 137). If you earn more than that, you’ll have to pay the cost no matter how high it goes.

The price tag for this legislation is a whopping $1.04 trillion to $1.6 trillion (Congressional Budget Office estimates). Half of the tab comes from tax increases on individuals earning $280,000 or more, and these new taxes will double in 2012 unless savings exceed predicted costs (House bill, p. 199). The rest of the cost is paid for by cutting seniors’ health benefits under Medicare.

There’s plenty of waste in Medicare, but the Congressional Budget Office estimates only 1 percent of the savings under the legislation will be from curbing waste, fraud and abuse. That means the rest will likely come from reducing what patients get.

One troubling provision of the House bill compels seniors to submit to a counseling session every five years (and more often if they become sick or go into a nursing home) about alternatives for end-of-life care (House bill, p. 425-430). The sessions cover highly sensitive matters such as whether to receive antibiotics and “the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration.”

This mandate invites abuse, and seniors could easily be pushed to refuse care. Do we really want government involved in such deeply personal issues?

Shockingly, only a portion of the money accumulated from slashing senior benefits and raising taxes goes to pay for covering the uninsured. The Senate bill allocates huge sums to “community transformation grants,” home visits for expectant families, services for migrant workers — and the creation of dozens of new government councils, programs and advisory boards slipped into the last 500 pages.

The most recent ABC News/Washington Post poll (June 21) finds that 83 percent of Americans are very satisfied or somewhat satisfied with the quality of their health care, and 81 percent are similarly satisfied with their health insurance.

They have good reason to be. If you’re diagnosed with cancer, you have a better chance of surviving it in the United States than anywhere else, according to the Concord Five Continent Study. And the World Health Organization ranked the United States No. 1 out of 191 countries for being responsive to patients’ needs, including providing timely treatments and a choice of doctors.

Congress should pursue less radical ways to cover the uninsured. We have too much to lose with this legislation.

Betsy McCaughey is founder of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths and a former Lieutenant Governor of New York. betsy@hospitalinfection.org

Link to review House and Senate Bills referred to in the article above:

http://www.defendyourhealthcare.us/houseandsenatebills.html

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August 1st, 2009
5:58 pm

Why are so many people sayin’ Palin looks like a quintissential tranny hooker? You pubtards ought to be expert in tranny hookers.

Michael H. Smith

August 1st, 2009
6:09 pm

AARP Town Hall on President Obama’s

Healthcare Plan

on

July 28, 2009

Lies, Damn Lies & Obama’s Health Plan!

Obama says: “But keep in mind – I mean this is something that I can’t emphasize enough – you don’t have to participate. If you are happy with the health care that you’ve got, then keep it.”

THE TRUTH: The health bills now before Congress would force you to switch to a managed-care plan with limits on your access to specialists and tests.

Two main bills are being rushed through Congress with the goal of combining them into a finished product by August. Under either, a new government bureaucracy will select health plans that it considers in your best interest, and you will have to enroll in one of these “qualified plans.” If you now get your plan through work, your employer has a five-year “grace period” to switch you into a qualified plan. If you buy your own insurance, you’ll have less time.

And as soon as anything changes in your contract – such as a change in copays or deductibles, which many insurers change every year – you’ll have to move into a qualified plan instead (House bill, p. 16-17).

When you file your taxes, if you can’t prove to the IRS that you are in a qualified plan, you’ll be fined thousands of dollars – as much as the average cost of a health plan for your family size – and then automatically enrolled in a randomly selected plan (House bill, p. 167-168).

It’s one thing to require that people getting government assistance tolerate managed care, but the legislation limits you to a managed-care plan even if you and your employer are footing the bill (Senate bill, p. 57-58). The goal is to reduce everyone’s consumption of health care and to ensure that people have the same health-care experience, regardless of ability to pay.

Obama says: “I want to start by taking a new approach that emphasizes prevention and wellness so that instead of just spending billions of dollars on costly treatments when people get sick, we’re spending some of those dollars on the care they need to stay well, things like mammograms and cancer screenings and immunizations, common-sense measures that will save us billions of dollars in future medical costs.”

THE TRUTH: The two most prevalent diseases of aging — cancer and heart disease — are largely caused by genetics, and their occurrence increases with age. Your risk of being diagnosed with cancer doubles from age 50 to 60, according to the National Cancer Institute.

Obama says: “Nobody is talking about reducing Medicare benefits. Medicare benefits are there because people contributed into a system. It works. We don’t want to change it.”

THE TRUTH: The Congressional majority wants to pay for its $1 trillion health bills with a $500+ billion cut to Medicare. This cut will come just as Medicare enrollment increases by 30%. Less money and more patients will necessitate rationing.

The assault against seniors began in February with the stimulus package, which slipped in comparative effectiveness research, generally a code for limiting care based on the patient’s age. Economists are familiar with the formula, where the cost of a treatment is divided by the number of years that the patient is likely to benefit. In Britain, the formula leads to denying treatments for older patients who have fewer years to benefit from care than younger patients.

In a 7/17 letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, White House budget chief Peter Orszag urged Congress to delegate its authority over Medicare to a newly created body within the executive branch. This measure is designed to circumvent the democratic process and avoid accountability to the public for cuts in benefits.

http://www.defendyourhealthcare.us/home.html

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August 1st, 2009
6:18 pm

Looks like Orgasmpalooza is a brewin’ for all you pith brain JawJaw crackers–I’m pretty sure pith brain jawjaw cracker is an acceptable term for the mentally challenged. It’s fine by me and all my MD friends.

RedState’s Tragic the Gathering starts today and for those who are disappointed that Gov. Mark Sanford dropped out (depriving the attendees of his popular speech “Putting Your Penis In A Vagina Feels As Awesome As It Sounds.”) Erick the RedState promises a bonus attraction:

Erick the moron writes: “Remeber the guy who was kicked outta the mall for sellin’ Anti Obama stuff? He’ll be there.

Erick adds:

Tonight, we’ll hear from Roy Blunt, Pat Toomey, Jim DeMint, and Rick Perry. Then we’ll watch a special presentation of John Ziegler’s new movie.

Tomorrow, Tom Price, Karen Handel, a super secret special guest, Ken Cuccinelli, Michael Williams, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, and Nikki Haley join us.

We’re also going to do two workshops. One will be on becoming better online activists and the other on being better offline activists.

250 activists from across the country will be coming. And we’re already planning for next year.

Registration is closed for this year, but you may want to start planning for next year. Same weekend. Same place. Even better.

….and how could it not be? No. Really.

You just know that everyone thinks the “super secret special guest” is going to be, like, Sarah Palin or Michelle Malkin and then when it turns out that it’s Kathryn Jean Lopez? Total boner shrinker.

(Update) Surprise guest: Liz Cheney so not so much a boner shrinker as much as a hook a car battery up to your testicles and call it enhanced speech giving.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 1st, 2009
6:24 pm

Betsy McCaughey and “Michael Smith” are equally pith brained morons. It’s August. There are 3 Committees in the House and 3 in the Senate who have not even completed crafting a “bill” so following Smith’s link makes you a pith brained moron.

The final bill will come after the 3 committees in the House, the 3 in the Senate, huddle, then the Senate and the House pass a bill, and then the conference committee will meet and produce a bill to be ratified by both the House and the Senate.

Annyone who is a veteran at whip counts or following bills knows that often what comes out of the secret conference committee does not resemble what the sausage was before–however the bills are subject to a vote and we have all the votes we need now to crush the pubtards and the blue dogs in the House, and we only need 51 in the Senate–it’s called Reconciliation and Smith and Betsy goofball have no idea what the statute means.

Michael H. Smith

August 1st, 2009
6:49 pm

Obama’s 32 Czars

By Eric Cantor
Thursday, July 30, 2009

“The biggest problems that we’re facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m president of the United States.” – Sen. Barack Obama, March 31, 2008

To say President Obama failed to follow through on this promise is an understatement. By appointing a virtual army of “czars” — each wholly unaccountable to Congress yet tasked with spearheading major policy efforts for the White House — in his first six months, the president has embarked on an end-run around the legislative branch of historic proportions…

At last count, there were at least “32 active czars” that we knew of, meaning the current administration has more czars than Imperial Russia.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/29/AR2009072902624.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter

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August 1st, 2009
6:57 pm

What’s really going on that goofball Smith and goofball Betsy are too dumb to follow:

For a while, the Energy and Commerce Committee was the last House committee standing on the Hill, and that’s now changed with the passage of the House Tri-Committee out of the committee on a vote of 31-28 last night.. All the three House committees and the Senate HELP committee were able to pass the health care legislation out of their respective committees. None of the Republicans voted for the Tri-Committee health care bill in the three House Committees, and neither did the Republicans on the Senate side.

So then what’s the excuse for the hold-up on the Senate Finance Committee, and their delay of the vote to September 15th? It’s Senator Baucus’s bipartisanship fetish.

Baucus and Grassley have been among the fiercest critics of a single-party approach.

“Fundamentally, legislation that is historic, that is comprehensive, that has a large number of senators supporting it is more durable,” Baucus said in an interview. “It will be more sustainable and will inspire more public confidence.”

Baucus, who came to the Senate in 1979, and Grassley, who joined two years later, have let that philosophy guide them since they assumed senior posts on the finance committee eight years ago.

Utter lies, Senator Baucus. Most of the progressive legislation that still endures today such as Medicare, was passed without Republican votes. The Republicans in each of the three House Committees, and in the Senate HELP Committee, voted AGAINST health care reform. Does Senator Baucus really think that Republicans will vote for real health care reform? Is he that deluded in his need to please his bipartisanship fetish?

Senator Baucus knows that the delay of the committee vote to September 15th, 2009, allows time for the murder-by-spreadsheet industry to ramp up their PR attacks to scare Members of Congress into voting against any real semblance of health care reform such as the public option and a strong national insurance exchange. He knows that pursuing bipartisanship allows the Republicans to kill progressive legislation. Here are the words straight from a former Republican aide for Senator John Kyl:

Ron Bonjean, who formerly served as chief of staff under Senator Kyl, said: “Creating bipartisan coalitions on key issues is important to prevent Democrat legislative victories.”

It’s time for Senator Baucus to realize over the August recess as his constituents and liberal advocacy organizations ramp up their calls for real health care reform with a strong, robust public option, that his bipartisanship fetish isn’t going to cut it this time.

Yesterday 57 House progressives signed a letter refusing to accept the Blue Dog compromise.

And as reported by the AP this morning:

There’s a new agreement between House conservatives, moderates (??) and liberals on ways to strengthen the House health care reform bill, including the Public Option

Michael H. Smith

August 1st, 2009
7:12 pm

Blathering brain dead brucie cannot repute Betsy McCaughey and Michael Smith. All brucie can do is tell people don’t believe the truth when you see what these socialists liberal morons, Obumer, Pelosi, Reid and the rest are doing to you.

Follow the links, read the info contained as cited in the articles on the pages of the House and Senate bills Betsy McCaughey has furnished, then you decide what to believe: Your lying eyes or the socialist liberal Obrucies and other spell bound Obumer toadies.

Michael H. Smith

August 1st, 2009
7:51 pm

Yesterday 57 House progressives (a.k.a. socialist liberals) signed a letter refusing to accept the Blue Dog compromise?

Yeah, so what, HR 3200 went nowhere, the House is in recess. The Blue Dogs won their demands.

Something else for the good readers of Wooten’s column to consider is last night’s House Energy & Commerce Cmte. vote that passed the health care bill 31 to 28. It had absolutely “NO” bipartisan support. In fact, five Democrats joined in bipartisan opposition voting against it.

These socialist liberals are so myopic and jubilant in conceit they think they have won a battle in failing to pass a bill by Obumer’s previously set deadline. How little do they know they have only started a war, within their own house.

“I am opposed to the current health care reform bills being debated in Congress,” said Taylor, a founding member of the conservative Democratic Blue Dogs, who forced a steep price cut in a Democratic health care proposal this week.

“We should not create an expensive new government health program or promise new government health benefits when we have not figured out how to pay the future costs of Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare, and other federal health programs that were promised by previous presidents and previous Congresses.”

Rep. Gene Taylor, D-Miss.

FAILED LIBERALSIM

August 1st, 2009
8:02 pm

This blog is actually getting pretty hilarious. You have some POS left wing libtard from hell who’s got the hots for Palin (nah, she won’t touch your nasty mindless venomous libtard skankass) and can’t stop brownstaining itself, and then, well, there’s reality. The reality is that The Teleprompter In Chief is failing this nation just like the libtard Dhimmicrats running both houses of Congress (albiet narrowly – SO narrowly in fact we won’t hear about Communist Care again for a while – no matter what Nancytox says). But the libtard comment of the week goes to that libtard skank Janeane Garofalo. Can she just go hang herself, please?

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After bombing on stage at England’s Latitude festival a few weeks ago, Janeane Garofalo apparently decided to go back to what she’s best at: vulgarly attacking faceless Americans whose political opinions she disagrees with.

Having called the April 15 Tea Party goers “a bunch of teabagging rednecks” on MSNBC’s “Countdown,” Garofalo’s encore was to tell a British newspaper that “These people are called ‘racially sensitive’, what they should be called is racist, backward motherf**kers.”
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Nice manners, bitch.

FAILED LIBERALISM

August 1st, 2009
8:07 pm

Like I said earlier, the DNC media will upsell the sh!t sandwich we are all being handed out by the most useless and free America destroying government in the history of the United States run by libtardism.

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In today’s “How’s That Voodoonomics Working Out For You” segment, despite considering a 0.4 percent decline in the nation’s Gross Domestic Product (a calamity when George W. Bush was President), America’s media applauded Friday’s announcement that the GDP in the second quarter declined by one percent.

Of course, this is not at all surprising, for many of these same outlets cheered when businesses ONLY cut payrolls by 539,000 in April.
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Jackie

August 1st, 2009
8:13 pm

One good thing about the final version of the health reform bill is that it will be written down and all the innuendo and extrapolation will not sufficient to change the meaning of the word, sentence, paragraph of the each section of the bill.

Wonder what will happen then?

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

August 1st, 2009
8:18 pm

I AM SO GLAD THAT THESE REDNECK HICKS ARE FINALLY OUTNUMBERED,SO STAY AT YOUR KLAN RALLY WHILE THE REST OF AMERICA IS GETTING BACK ON TRACK FROM THE REPUBLICANS PHUCK-UP!

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

August 1st, 2009
8:24 pm

MIKE SMITH AND FAILED LIBRALISM HOW DID WE GET TO THIS POINT OF AMERICANS BEING OUT OF WORK,HEALTH CARE COST GOING OUT THE ROOF,PEOPLE LOSING THEIR HOMES,AND ALL THESE TERRIBLE THINGS HAPPENED UNDER THE GOP RULE,YOU DUMB CRACKERS BLAME BUSH MESS ON OBAMA,I`M GLAD PEOPLE ARE NOT LISTENING TO THE HILLBILLIES ANYMORE,HOW BOUT BOTH OF YOU GO TO IRAQ AND GET BLOWN UP,FOR THE GREAT COUNTRY OF AMERICA,WE NEED YOUR SACRIFICE,BLOOD AND GUTS NOW!

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

August 1st, 2009
8:29 pm

THAT WITCH PALIN IS A QUITER,NOT A HARDWORKER,NOT SOMEONE THAT SPEAKS THE TRUTH,KILLER OF ALL GODS ANIMALS (DEER,MOOSE,WOLVES AND BEAR),KEEP THE SNOWBILLY IN HER IGLOO,DUMB BITCH!

Michael H. Smith

August 1st, 2009
10:40 pm

evil brucie-tard have you ever heard the phrase “it takes two to tango”?

If you took time away from these blogs long enough to stop spewing fascist socialist liberal propaganda, hate and bigotry 24/7/365 you might actually find out why Americans are out of work, losing healthcare and losing houses. It wasn’t the doing of a Republican monopoly as you suggest. Plenty of evidence is documented on Democrat participation in what caused this economic collapse.

You might want to begin looking at the President who actually signed NAFTA which kick-started the insane unfair so-called Free Trade agenda? Please don’t show your stupidity in blaming H.W. Bush again, his Presidential signature is not on NAFTA. As you well know it is none other than President William Jefferson Clinton, as Hillary said, it – NAFTA – was one of Bill’s greatest accomplishments. Also under NAFTA not only did the prophecy of Ross Parot come to pass, as that vast sucking sound made manifest by a stampede of American corporations relocating American jobs across the border in Mexico, it included special visas for Mexican nationals to work here in the U.S. in the further taking of more American jobs which couldn’t be shipped across the border into Mexico. Unfortunately W. Bush showed us his liberal stripes on so-called Free Trade and immigration akin to that of Teddy Kennedy, who actually kick-started back in the LBJ days many of the immigration problems the nation confronts to this very day.

Also, during the last years of the Clinton administration Alan Greenspan, Robert Rubin and Larry Summers (now Obumer’s economic adviser) lobbied Congress to pass a law prohibiting regulation of derivatives and in 2000 Congress passed that very law, which later gave us the expensive lesson of AIG. (bonuses to be included and approved later by Obumer)

No need to bring up Freddie and Fannie Barney and ACORN-SEIU perhaps all that is going to come out and be settled most likely by 2010 as Senator Isakson informs of the commission similar to the 911 group that will undertake an investigation of what brought about all the fiscal mayhem.

I’ll be glad when you understand the meaning and origin of the words Hillbilly, Redneck and Cracker which is obviously beyond the capability of your bigotry to anyone who is reading or listening.
While reconciling the ignorance embedded in your bigotry the stupidity you now display could use a refresher course on the subject of bearing the political consequences from Presidential predecessors. I mean, LBJ’s Viet Nam became Nixon’s war. The peace dividend Bill Clinton inherited as a result of the collapse of the former U.S.S.R. came about after years collaborative efforts forged by other Presidents and Presidencies. Obumer might want to man-up to being a President if he hasn’t already prepared for that reality. Bush’s Iraq and Afghanistan will soon be his war and he will have to actually do what he was elected to do instead of crying like a dumb bitch over having to fix the mess he chose to accept in becoming President that will soon become his mess in the eyes Americans now suffering the miseries of his jobless recovery.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 1st, 2009
10:54 pm

The only dumb bitches I see cryin’ are the bitches like Michael Smith. We are cleaning up the Bush messes one by one.

We’re going to pass a viable public health option–I’ve tried to spoon feed how and why, and you can sling sh_t towards me forever.. To the extent I piss off the dumb white crackers here, who know nothing about medicine and law, and are easy to pick apart, I feel great.

All this “man up” talk from the party of Bush who hid behind daddy’s skirts and abandoned his National Guard unit and hid away in the land of coke never leaving Texas and Alabama, Cheney who got six deferments, and saw combat only shooting wingless turkeys and a near 80 year old attorney in the face, Mary Matlin who is getting older and uglier by the hour which is great–she looks like the mother of 30 year olds instead of pre-teens.

We are passing a robust health care plan, and all the typing you do on a piss-ant blog comment section isn’t going to stop it. I’ve practiced medicine a good many years, and won every insurance battle, but I shouldn’t have wasted my time on them. Finally we are going to refine the paradigm for these prick insurance rip off artists. There are thousands of stories where people who have insurance thought they were covered until they had to have that mastectomy. They are hardly “satisfie” and many of them are dead because the insurance companies wouldn’t pay for post op care.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 1st, 2009
11:00 pm

Nixon is dead; Clinton has about $200 million and you’ll never find where he got it; his wife is having the time of her life, and we’re going to clean up the clustefooks your party and the idiots who supported it made. The economic report yesterday showed that Bush had the economy on the brink of a depression,and Obama and his team have been hoisting it out of the ditch. We’ll continue to be constructive, and the poorly educated inarticulate crackers here yammering about Nixon and Viet Nam which was a clusterfook that killed over 50,000 soldiers needlessly has very little to do with anything except for the monster fiasco in Iraq, now pushing over 3 trillion according to a Nobel Prize Winner who did a book documenting the costs, 3 million displaced Iraqi women with children who lost their husbands, and soon over 5000 US soldiers who continue to be slaughtered in the stupid war that Republitard chickenhawks started and we’re going to have to finish–although I don’t see it ending long after the Obama girls are of age to be President.

Micahel H. Smith

August 1st, 2009
11:05 pm

Conyers Sees No Point in Members Reading 1,000-Page Health Care Bill–Unless They Have 2 Lawyers to Interpret It for Them

Monday, July 27, 2009
By Nicholas Ballasy, Video Reporter
(CNSNews.com) –

During his speech at a National Press Club luncheon, House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers (D-Mich.), questioned the point of lawmakers reading the health care bill.

“I love these members, they get up and say, ‘Read the bill,’” said Conyers.

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51610

Ah, the loony logic of liberals; and like Conyers, many of them are lawyers too. :lol: :lol:

Michael H. Smith

August 1st, 2009
11:20 pm

All that loony liberal slobbering Obrucie-tard changes nothing, it only shows you desperately trying to escape reality in your delusional mind. Well, at least escape as much as only two half functional oxygen deprived brain cells will allow.

The Obumer honeymoon is just about over. Obumer’s minster of propaganda Robert “BELTWAY BOB” Gibbs best freshen up some of his Baghdad counterpart’s old material, he’ll probably need it very soon. In fact he has already used some of it, come to think about a recent press briefing as he tried to defend socialist ObumerCare, unsuccessfully of course.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 1st, 2009
11:37 pm

Eric the red could have an ugly contest with whack job Palin, little Dick Cheney, and 1% of the vote wide butt Handel at one of those teap parties no one gives a flyin’ fook about.

The pubtards have no plan for any problem they created except “NO we wanna sit in the corner and drool.” That’s why they have no power and make no decisions. Just consider yourself locked up in a psychiatric ward where you belong bigoted white crackers for the rest of your life because you’re a threat to yourself and others–consider it an extended signed “1021.”

Your govenors ruin states left and right. Their water planning is to pray to something fictional, and then throw 7 million bucks on outside counsel who loses every time they twitch. The clown show plays out in the insipidly stupid AJC where the headline is that Sumo Wrestler Purdue wants the Alabama governor to release what happened in their water meeting. Last time I checked, there are 3 pubtard governors involved in the 3 states–what has do nothing ever Sumo Purdue’s tongue or does he have Alzheimer’s?

Michael H. Smith

August 1st, 2009
11:37 pm

Congress’ own healthcare benefits: membership has its privileges

Lawmakers can choose among several plans and get special treatment at federal medical facilities. In 2008, taxpayers spent about $15 billion to insure 8.5 million federal workers and their dependents.

By Mark Z. Barabak and Faye Fiore
2:22 PM PDT, August 1, 2009

Too much, too fast, too expensive. Those are some of the objections lawmakers have thrown up against the healthcare overhaul Democrats are attempting on Capitol Hill.

But many feel Congress is out of touch. How, they wonder, can lawmakers empathize with the underinsured or those lacking insurance when they receive a benefits package — heavily subsidized by taxpayers — that most Americans can only envy?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-congress-benefits2-2009aug02,0,7524121.story

Whatever health-insurance law is passed should apply to members of Congress. If it isn’t good enough for them, it shouldn’t be imposed on the rest of us.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 1st, 2009
11:45 pm

the whole point of what we’re passing over the pubtard wave of “No we’re too dumb to have a plan but whatever you do we don’t want is to get all of the population as close as possible to what Congress has in their health plans. That’s been a stated goal for a long time but pubtards are too dumb to get it.

And the insurance companies don’t play games with a Congressmember or their family, but they have with an ordinary policy holder and we’re going to bring that to a screaching halt.

One of the amendments by the pubtards that was soundly defeated yesterday in Waxman’s markup was an amendment to require birth certificates to be with a patient in an ER when they present for treatment regardless of their condition. Talk about a whackjob bunch of people. Having caught patients night after night for years in tertiary ERs many of them are bleeding to death, have C-Spine fractures, ectopic pregnancies, MIs, CVAs and they don’t have the leisure time to go on line and order a birth certificate that most people have long lost if they ever had one. Nathan Deal, who is teed up to be crushed by Roy Barnes down in JawJaw was one of the losers pushing that amendmewnt as well as doc Phil Gingrey who has been away from clinical medicine long enough for senility to set in.

We crushed them on that stupid amendment and every other one they brought up.

Michael H. Smith

August 2nd, 2009
12:05 am

The elite socialist liberal Obumer Democrats should try to fixing Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare, and other federal health programs that were promised by previous presidents and previous Congresses before attempting to screw-up the rest of the healthcare system in similar fashion.

Old King Roy Rat is more than welcome to piss another $20 million down a rat-hole. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 2nd, 2009
12:32 am

Only a moron would say that the Waxman committee vote went nowhere because the House recessed after the vote. It’s the most important committee vote by far on health care. Recess does not erase that it passed. And of course it passed without bi-partisan support. The pubtards are medical morons; we gave them a chance for input and they proposed stupid amendments like forcing every ER patient to have a birth certificate on them, as if people plan to come to the ER with major trauma, lethal arrhythmias, coronary ischemis, life threatening C-spine fractures, etc. etc, and etc.

Bi partisan support isn’t why we elected Obama. Health Care change that is meaningful in the wake of dictator insurance companies and wasteful health care spending is. If the pubtards are simply going to offer no rational ideas as they did in the markup Friday, and stupid amendments, then we’ll pass a public option without them. Think of them as a collection of bigoted stupid Michael Smiths. Of course we’re not entrusting health care to that moron–he couldn’t drink piss out of a medical school toilet let alone get in and out of medschool.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 2nd, 2009
12:35 am

The polls show Barnes kicking the piss out of every Republican and Democrat and kicking the piss out of them badly. Eric Red State’s Handel has about 1% of the entire vote.

I love these morons who predict victory; never get it, and can’t say who will beat the Dems and why.

Wooten and these idiots predicted VP Palin back in September. How’d that work out?

The mentally ill idiot can’t even get a job with whackjob whack wingnut radio. They don’t even want her.

It doesn’t get any worse. Or is it goshdarnit worser.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 2nd, 2009
12:41 am

It isn’t just a “health insurance law” we’re passing. It’s a complete health care revamp that happens to include competition for the sh_tferbrain insurance dictators for the first time in the history of htis country. Get used to it. We’re revamping health care. Whatever the pubtards don’t want, we’re passing because that’s a great guidepost for where the country should be headed. If you don’t like it, get the hell out of the US.

Michael H. Smith

August 2nd, 2009
1:40 am

Obrucie-tards cannot admit HR 3200 sits idle, not moving at all as the House is in recess. Stupid brucies of this world believe that passing a few amendments in a House committee means a law has actually been created.

Oh brucie moron how many points do you get in a football game for running all over the playing field with the football and never crossing over the goal line once? Guess you would call that winning the game?

brucie-tard until a bill becomes law it just a bill no matter how many amendments and markups are passed, it remains nothing more than a bill – words, just words, Obumer.

Obumer was elected to fix a bad economy not to spend the country out of existence, create a socialist government ran healthcare system or tax every form of energy claimed to cause global warming.

Poor stupid brucie-tard the Supreme Omnipotent Bigot trays in vain to assign to me a loony requirement of birth-certificate in the ER when it is even on this blog that I stated humanitarian aid is render as required under law. That is a human right made know by the Declaration of Independence that requires government to protect life as an inalienable right of the individual irregardless of any nationality and it most certainly does carry the full weight of law, brucie.

Stupid brucie-tard tries so vainly to insist that I support whatever any Republican offers when once again brain dead brucie fails greatly in his mindless spew of anger and failure at an attempt to cover-up what I’ve supported throughout this blog and on others in Bipartisan efforts to offer Private Public Co Op healthcare, owned controlled and operated by consumers rather than being forced by government into accepting only the socialist’s ObumerCare Public Option.

Tyrant Brucie-tard now insist the socialist liberals have totalitarian authority to do as he, Obumer and the other comrades want with this country.

Bruce Wilcox it is time that you and all the other little tyrants that think like you to get the hell out of this state and out of this Representative Republic of the United States.

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

August 2nd, 2009
3:21 am

LOOK HERE HICKS LOVE AMERICA OR LEAVE IT,WE WONT MISS YOU TRADERS,WE DONT NEED ANYMORE TURNCOATS OR CHICKENHAWK COWARD REPUBLICANS HERE IN AMERICA,GET THE HELL OUT IF YOU DONT LIKE IT!

catlady

August 2nd, 2009
9:30 am

Getting the profit-making middleman out of health care should be the first priority! Like closing the borders to illegal immigrants, anything less is pizzing in a bucket full of holes!

clyde

August 2nd, 2009
9:38 am

Just to change the subject a wee bit,I notice a headline today touting The National Black Arts Festival Gala.I can’t help wondering how much the Rev.Al and The Rev.Jesse would flap their gums about a National White Arts Festival Gala?

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

August 2nd, 2009
11:30 am

CLYDE REMEMBER ALL THE KNOWLEDGE IN MODERN TECHNOLOGY TODAY COMES FROM THE LAND OF KEMET(EGYPT),THE PHONE,REDLIGHT,THE REAL MCCOY AND ALL OTHER BLACK INVENTORS INVENTED JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING USEABLE IN AMERICA,BUT THE WHITEMAN STOLE IT,JUST LIKE THEY STOLE AND KILLED THE INDIANS FOR THE LAND,ALL KNOWLEDGE CAME FROM KEMET(EGYPT),NOT EUROPE!

Michael H. Smith

August 2nd, 2009
12:01 pm

Why doesn’t Congress now controlled by the Democrats – which are mostly socialist liberals – simply do the following?

Pass a Federal law that prohibits the health insurance practice of what is called and known as “Cherry Picking”?

Pass a Federal law removing all barriers to the selling and buying of health insurance across state lines?

Pass a Federal law that prohibits health insurance companies from denying coverage or payments for medical treatment based on pre-existing conditions and that prohibits policy cancellations for any reason other than non-payment of premiums?

Pass a Federal law that empowers the individual to join with other individuals to form group pools: a) To purchase group health insurance at lower affordable rates. b) To form managed healthcare Co –Op groups independent of existing private sector HMOs, PPOs, etc.

Jeez did this comment, which would correct about 90% of what is said to be wrong with the current healthcare system in this country, require 1,017 pages? Does it take two days and two lawyers to explain? Would it create a huge Federal deficit?

And to think these elite socialist liberal tyrants are demanding that the only way to correct what is wrong with the current healthcare system in this country is through a government ran health insurance entity, while this same government has failed so miserably in fixing Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare and other federal health programs that were promised by previous presidents and previous Congresses?

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 2nd, 2009
12:10 pm

It doesn’t matter what Michael Smith stated since no one on the planet listens to his rambling. What I reported happened–about 5PM the most powerful healthcare committee in the House–Waxman’s voted down decisively a stupid amendment supported by former OBGYN Phil Gingrey whose political ideas would no longer make him a safe OBGYN. The amendment was to require all people regardless of condition presenting to the ER. And part of the reason we have to take care of and 2-teir 3-teir patients who come to the ER for elective primary care minor ailments is because their insurance has climbed exponentially to cost 2-3 times what it used to. We are also going to correct the stupid Bill Frist bill that forbid Medicare from competitive pharmaceutical bidding–an insipidly stupid idea.

And the Republitards should quit praying on older patients who are poorly informed by telling the government will interfere with their medicare. Contrary to idiot Repulibcans, Medicare is a successful single payer government program that Reagan said stupidly would fail. What failed was Reagan.

Michael H. Smith

August 2nd, 2009
12:26 pm

No one is listening? It sure caught your eyes and ears brucie wilcox. If you are scared just say you are scared of losing big government control over healthcare and everything else, you government bosom-feeding baby that can’t be winged off the government teat.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 2nd, 2009
12:49 pm

McCain says Americans are very concerned about their children’s futures. That’s because they aren’t married to Cindy who gives her children unlimited plastic so they can all be 100 pounds overweight and carry 50 grand balances, while she lives far from her legal husband in California with her boytoys 40 years younger than the plastic surgery booberizedplasty Cindy.

Congress is passing a law to prevent insurance exclusion due to pre-existing conditions. It is also mandating in that law that they can’t practice recission whereby they cut 20,000 people who were paying customers either personally or through employers because they made claims on procedures like mastectomy for infiltrating ductal Ca. Congress is also going to correct the pharm donut where middle Americans and older people have to pick and choose among crucial meds Rx’d for seriousl illnesses either in private ins. plans, medicare medigap plans. Congress is going to alter the patent that the pharms have so that they can’t stop competition claiming they need their ginormous profits for R&D when they use it to put on Cialis commercials with a soundtrack of a 60’s hit.

But the one of the most important insurance reforms that will be part of a viable health care reform will be to provide vibrant competition for insurance companies in the form not of nebulous sketchy unrproven “groups” that would cause many gaps and be able to exclude people just as insurance companies are now, but a government option that the insurance companies are deathly afraid of and Republitards which always champion the very rich which is strange because I know tons of them that aren’t very rich are opposed to.

The problem with non-payment of premiums is that 15% of the people in this country can’t pay their premiums or between 45-50 million Americans. We are about 37th in medical efficacy in the world now, and costs have risen about 320% under almost all republican administrations but one since 1980 while the economy rose 1/3 that much under Republitard administrations since 1980.

The Dems inherited a huge federal deficit–it’s called the Republitared clusterfook and the Iraq war. As a nobel prize winner documented in his book, the Iraq war cost 3 trillion dollars and it’s pushing to 4 trillion.

Friday, the GDP report cited the Bush administration for wrecking the economy into depressionesque paradigms, while Obama has steadily raised the GDP and pulled us back from the brink of Bush depression.

Any immigration problem has next to zero to do with health care delivery. Immigrants aren’t cutting the insurance from other catladies who have infiltrating duct carcinomas and need mastectomy and chemo.
Insurance companies that are not well regulated are.

Clyde, you keep us posted on all the white cultural events. We wish we were educated enough and prescient enough to find them but we get all confused when it comes to building computers and working with Redmond to make Windows 7 and Windows 8 better for Clyde. You must find them on the world wide web right? You must bing or google “white cultural events.”

Is a tea party a white cultural event? Is it cultural when you put a white whackjob on the radio or have it speak at the Raegan library? Whoops I done forgot. The whacko cancelled her appearance at the Raegan lib at the last minute–she’s a quitter, and white wingnut radio won’t enhance their cultural significance because they told her to get lost–they ain’t hiring her. Does Cheetah 3 need a white bigot to dance for Tranny Night?

Closing the border to immigrants is a spacy statement like Saray Palin would make Catlady. It has next to nothing to do with health care insurance domination that we have now. It has nothing to do with pharmaceutical prices. In fact, Americans have been crossing the border into Mexico and Canada to try to get meds at a reasonable price, and some American governors have sponsered buses to take them there for free in rebellion to Frist’s and former Blue Dog Dem Chairman of Waxman’s committee unabashed whoring for Big pharma.

But the most important aspect of

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 2nd, 2009
12:53 pm

The most important aspect ofthis health care plan is competititon for the insurance companies, and closing the drug cost gap where patients have to choose among meds they need for serious illnesses. AJC has the worst IT web designers in the world. You have to refress this thing a dozen times to see what’s been posted unlike any blog on the planet. Republitards run the paper.

Michael H. Smith

August 2nd, 2009
12:54 pm

Something of a prediction from Charles Krauthammer found in his column ~ Obama’s tactical health-care retreat

Whatever structural reforms dribble out of Congress before the August recess will likely not survive the year. In the end, Obama will have to settle for something very modest. And indeed it will be health-insurance reform.

To win back the vast constituency that has insurance, is happy with it, and is mightily resisting the fatal lures of Obamacare, the president will in the end simply impose heavy regulations on the insurance companies that will make what you already have secure, portable and imperishable: no policy cancellations, no pre-existing condition requirements, perhaps even a cap on out-of-pocket expenses.
ahem ;)

Nirvana. But wouldn’t this bankrupt the insurance companies? Of course it would. There will be only one way to make this work: Impose an individual mandate. Force the 18 million Americans between 18 and 34 who (often quite rationally) forgo health insurance to buy it. This will create a huge new pool of customers who rarely get sick but will be paying premiums every month. And those premiums will subsidize nirvana health insurance for older folks.

Net result? Another huge transfer of wealth from the young to the old, the now-routine specialty of the baby boomers; an end to the dream of imposing European-style health care on the U.S.; and a president who before Christmas will wave his pen, proclaim victory and watch as the newest conventional wisdom reaffirms his divinity.

squidbilly

August 2nd, 2009
12:57 pm

So let’s make sure we have this right: Geitner, the tax cheat Democrat (naturally) who’s running the US Treasury says that the key to a successful economic recovery is lowering the deficit. Now I’ll leave it to the no-life braniac liberal DemonRAT scum on this blog to figure that out. Obamania has done more damage to the deficit in 6 months than Bush did in 6 YEARS. And now these bozos are going to use this as an excuse to raise taxes on those who pay them – a killer for an economic recovery. Who elected these fascist DemonRAT pinheads again? Oh yeah, the idiotic dumbmAsses.

WASHINGTON – Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner says the U.S. must cut the annual federal budget deficit, now more than $1 trillion, for the economy to have a sustained recovery and he’s not ruling out new taxes. He said the country needs to understand the Obama administration will do what’s necessary. He did not detail how the government plans to shrink the deficit, though he said overhauling the health care system and lowering costs are essential.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090802/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_geithner_economy

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 2nd, 2009
12:59 pm

You can’t- force 18-34 year olds to buy insurance. They’d rather spend their money on Blahnicks, Jimmy Choos, blackberrys and games. Is Charlie Krauthammer the male equivalant of the ignorant Michelle Malkin the same Charlie Krauthammer that predicted VP Palin by a landslide along with Wooten last September and the republitards on this comment section?

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 2nd, 2009
1:03 pm

If you don’t want Geithner as Sec Treas why aren’t you petitioning to remove him through your tea parties or your congressmen (you have no women in Georgia). Oh that’s right–they have no power. I watched them get defeated Fri. night on House Energy and Commerce votes.

And Geithner and Summers have engineered the economy back from the Bush brink of depression toward the highest Dow since 1989 when Dems had the White House.

Gotta go but Smith is good at jerking himself off so he can have a conversation and a tea party yammering fiction to himself.

squidbilly

August 2nd, 2009
1:11 pm

“CHICKENHAWK COWARD REPUBLICANS HERE IN AMERICA,GET THE HELL OUT IF YOU DONT LIKE IT!”

Does that scum actually think it’s helping liberalism?

“I AM SO GLAD THAT THESE REDNECK HICKS ARE FINALLY OUTNUMBERED,SO STAY AT YOUR KLAN RALLY WHILE THE REST OF AMERICA IS GETTING BACK ON TRACK FROM THE REPUBLICANS PHUCK-UP!”

Outnumbered, eh scum? But of course you scum on the modern caring liberal DemonRAT left are the epitome of what this nation should be about. Right. Scum.

Here’s the majority, SCUM:

http://209.157.64.200/focus/news/2305567/posts

Yeah, you scumbags on the DemonRAT left continue to shift left. PLEASE.

squidbilly

August 2nd, 2009
1:12 pm

You ever notice that a DemonRAT will never answer why their heroes FAIL TO PAY TAXES???????

Michael H. Smith

August 2nd, 2009
1:14 pm

You gotta love a dimwit….

The most important aspect ofthis health care plan is competititon for the insurance companies

The questions I asked earlier if they were enacted into law would absolutely put more competition in the healthcare market than the present private sector insurance companies could stand and still have a thin sliver of a hope to remain in business – that’s without the existence of any ObumerCare Public Option too. Also that is before answering the other 10% of the solution of funding and subsidies, which could decimate private insurance companies, if not totally end what is now known as the private sector insurance market because of what Private Public Co Ops given exclusive government authorized privileges in the market could ultimately do – without ObumerCare’s Public government ran Option.

Jackie

August 2nd, 2009
2:25 pm

It seems to me that if any of us has EVER been audited by the IRS, with most of us being in that position because of the complexity/duplicity of the IRS rules, we are considered by the IRS to be tax cheats.

Anyone ever been there?

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 2nd, 2009
4:27 pm

Coops are not at all the same thing as a public option and you’re getting the public option no matter how many childish 3 year old names you sputter on some sh_tferbrains comments. You can yammer until you die, but there’s going to be a public option and coops aren’t it. If you’re panties are in a wad, and apparently some of the Palin nitwits have those panties in a wad, try winning the white house. You’ll die before that happens because your whackjobs who are liars have been discovered by the majority of the electorate and you’re out of touch. We the voters don’t want your arrogant scum bags in control, and they haven’t been, and won’t be.

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 2nd, 2009
4:38 pm

Coops are around. They’re not licensed, and they haven’t worked. They’ll probably be included in a final bill that comes out of conference committee, but watch people flock to the public option.

And LOL you an cuss me all you want. I’ve devoted my entire adult life to getting patients well, and been battling the insurance companies to do it. I’m talking about reimbursement that wants to cut routine lab and procedures to less reimbursement than it costs you to do it. I didn’t make this problem, but my time has been wasted by it and now we’re going to change it. And you’ll wake up in October to learn that the same tired old platitutdes espoused for status quo flew you into the ground. We’re going to fix this, and we can plough right through ignorant republitards to do it.

BTW, I notice the imbecile Michelle Malkin could not answer the question posed by Cynthia Tucker on ABC as to precisely why Skip Gates was arrested? I can answer that. He was arrested for the reason that thousands of people are arrested. He mouthed off to the cop. He was already ID’d as the homeowner, and he didn’t break any law. He mouthed off to the cop. Had he been someone obscure out of the news, the solicitor or ADA or whatever the f_ck they have in Cambridge would have prosecuted him to the hilt. But given the fact that he broke no laws except for mouthing off to the cop when the cop continued to f_ck with him after it had been established he was the homeowner, back from China, tired, and just wanted to get into his own home, and could have cost Cambridge a pretty penny in the time alone to lititgate and defend a law suit, the chsiarges were dropped. The charges were dropped because Cambridge’s attorney would have looked like a moron trying to press them and Malkin does one thing consistently like Rush–she looks like a moron–she’s a symbol for republitards writ large, and she loses you elections and we pass the Health Care Reform bill.

Welcome to your life in 2009. Deal with it or ignore it. We don’t care.

clyde

August 2nd, 2009
4:42 pm

Jackie,
Been there.Got into a row with the IRS over an expense account.I did not realize that if you worked on a job away from home for 365 days you could not claim expenses.364 days was all right but the 365th day and beyond was a no-no for declaring.Nothing changed.You were working on the same job,still maintaining a permanent residence elsewhere,still incurring the same expenses,you just couldn’t claim them,and that was for the whole year,mind,not just for day 365 and beyond.

The moral of the story was to only work 364 days and quit.

DePesto

August 2nd, 2009
4:43 pm

“We the voters don’t want your arrogant scum bags in control, and they haven’t been, and won’t be.”

That’s not what I’ve been reading, you moronic, wretched, hate filled left wing kookocrat. Your precious Obama ran as a moderate and won as a moderate and is anything but a moderate. And now he and his ilk are paying the price for attempting to project liberal policies:

“PRINCETON, NJ — As the 111th Congress nears its August recess, Americans continue to view Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi more unfavorably than favorably, 48% vs. 32%. Pelosi’s image in the latest July Gallup Poll is little different from her image in May, when 34% of Americans viewed her favorably and 50% unfavorably.”

Arrogance and hate will get you aholes on the modern left nowhere long term. Mark those words, libtrash.

DePesto

August 2nd, 2009
4:47 pm

“And LOL you an cuss me all you want. I’ve devoted my entire adult life to getting patients well, and been battling the insurance companies to do it.”

Does anyone else here share concern that this hate filled wretched entity who seems to be overly infatuated with this blog and members is involved in the health care industry? Well, we can only hope the poor thing gets itself taken out of its misery with an awful karma accident. That would be a real shame.

DePesto

August 2nd, 2009
5:03 pm

“We don’t care.”

Obviously, libtrash, you do care. In fact, you care enough to waste your wretched life on this blog telling the rest of us how much you hate us. And I find that more than mildly amusing. I find that psychotic. You are one sad, pathetic human being.

ncgreybr

August 3rd, 2009
10:43 am

To “Tray” who said:Let us list what the government RUNS SUCCESSFULLY:

Schools-Nope
Medicare/Medicaid-Nope
Social Security-NOPE
(recently)Cash for Clunkers-NOPE

Just a couple of opinions from here. Could it be the reason schools don’t run well is because PARENT don’t give a damn these days? How many parents out there even ASK if the child has any homework? If my mother asked of I had homework and I said no, in 5 minutes she would have called 6 teacheers and I’d better not be lying or my butt would get red!

Medicare: My mother was on Medicare for 20 years. She saw any doctor she wanted and never had a problem. That, of course, was before the Republicans screwed up the program by making heathcare companies the middleman and prescription benifits.

Social Security: I don’t know ANYONE who has not received a check on time. My mother was on SS for 20 years. It was in the bank EVERY MONTH, ON TIME!

Cash for clunkers: It has worked so well it’s already out of money.

Now for Wooten: “U.S. Rep. Tom Price (R-Roswell) drafts the national health care plan that Congress should consider. Tax credits and deductions give consumers money to purchase medical coverage”

That’s a crock! If I need an MRI today, how does a tax credit on next year’s tax filing help me NOW? It’s doesn’t pay the bill. How are people who CAN’T afford insurance going to be helped? A tax credit or deduction doesn’t give them the money to pay the doctor’s bill today.
It doesn’t surprise me that Price’s plan was thought up by an insurance company. How does a tax credit give me money to purchase medical coverage?

A typical Republican “Let’s subsidize the insurance market” CROCK!

ncgreybr

August 3rd, 2009
10:52 am

Yes, Jackie, I was audited by the IRS. I had all my papers together in my bedroom when an outlet shortcircuited and the bedroom caught fire and literally burned the entire package. I had photos of it and took it on my interview. The reason I was audited? I had a considerable jump in my income that year due to the sale of 2 houses. The woman looked at the photos and gave them back to me. No problem. I was in and out in 5 minutes.

Jackie

August 3rd, 2009
12:30 pm

Many have protested about some of the current cabinet members having to pay/repay taxes. I say to those who protest loudly, they are either trying to persuade those that will listen that only those folks pointed out are considered tax cheats. I say, anytime the IRS chooses to make your life difficult, you too will be a tax cheat that will be beat until they get tired, which is usually never.

Jackie

August 3rd, 2009
12:34 pm

@ncgreybr

The one government agency that those who complain about the government not working well, the US military, works well enough for those who complain that they swear by what is accomplished by their protection of this country. On the other hand, they complain because the government offers those veterans retirement, medical and education benefits. Go figure?

Victory Through Superior Information

August 3rd, 2009
1:00 pm

When one of the great bastions of liberalism, LA, starts making Joker posters about PrezBo, it’s time to start paying attention on what’s going on in America that the Dem-loving media is failing to report.

http://bumpshack.com/2009/08/03/barack-obama-joker-poster-photos/

And then there’s the news that the Dems won’t rule out raising taxes on the middle class. Well DUH, any high school economics whiz could have told you that just 1% of this nation’s population who earn the most would be able to cover all of those wonderful socialist fantasyland Dem policies. Heck not even the top 10% would be able to cover it.

“WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama’s treasury secretary said Sunday he cannot rule out higher taxes to help tame an exploding budget deficit, and his chief economic adviser would not dismiss raising them on middle-class Americans as part of a health care overhaul.

As the White House sought to balance campaign rhetoric with governing, officials appeared willing to extend unemployment benefits. With former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan saying he is “pretty sure we’ve already seen the bottom” of the recession, Obama aides sought to defend the economic stimulus and calm a jittery public. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and National Economic Council Director Larry Summers both sidestepped questions on Obama’s intentions about taxes. Geithner said the White House was not ready to rule out a tax hike to lower the federal deficit; Summers said Obama’s proposed health care overhaul needs funding from somewhere.”

These people are setting themselves up for a massive voter revolt in 2010 and 2012 and they don’t even know it yet. Most of them of course are Chicago politicians, so they don’t really care. They’re used to thug arrogance. After all, what administration in the history of the United States has ever appointed nearly 50 government oversight CZARs that have been given power takken from appointed cabinet politicians as a payback favor for supporting Obama? Once again, the media fails to report that. And for eight years we listened to the Dems whine about Bush usurping power. Bud, he had nothing on this current administration. All we can do is sit back and watch these people self destruct and hopefully not cause too much damage to America as we know it before the voter revolt. Keep in mind these are the same people who whined and accused Bush of cronyism. But we already knew these people on the left are biggest hypocrites ever, and make a southern preacher cheating on his wife look saintly.

July 26, 2009
BY LYNN SWEET Sun-Times Columnist

WASHINGTON — It’s a Tuesday in June, and I am in one of the high-ceiling big rooms of the old office building next to the White House.

As I look around the room at the players assembled here — including this scribe — I’m thinking that with a few twists of fate, this all-Chicago gang could be huddling in Mayor Daley’s City Hall. With so many prominent Chicagoans playing key roles in the Obama administration, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue has become the 51st ward. “Everyone misses Chicago,” said Obama senior adviser Valerie Jarrett.

Chicagoans in D.C.

In front of me is Valerie Jarrett, a senior adviser to President Obama who today is chairing a roundtable marking the 37th anniversary of Title IX, the sports equity law. Across the room is Arne Duncan, the education secretary.

Seated in the first row is Tina Tchen, director of the White House public engagement office. Leaning against a wall is Susan Sher, chief of staff for Michelle Obama. In back of me in the vestibule is Daniel Hornung, a graduate of the University of Chicago Lab School who is working this summer for Jarrett. He is a friend of the daughter of Desiree Rogers, the White House social secretary. Marilyn Katz, a public affairs consultant visiting from Chicago, is also at the Title IX event.

Jarrett, Sher, Duncan and Tchen were all Daley appointees on boards or in top posts at City Hall, as was Obama chief of staff Rahm Emanuel. David Axelrod was Daley’s political adviser. First lady Michelle Obama worked a stint at City Hall.

In Washington, the relationships among the key players in government are subject to speculation and fascination over whether there is a “Chicago way” in the six-month-old Obama White House. There is a romanticized notion of Machine politics in the air here, though only remnants of it still exist in Chicago.

I’ve wisecracked that there are so many Chicagoans in the Obama administration, it’s like covering the 51st Ward. Obama has swept into office with him dozens of Chicagoans, in all kinds of jobs.

Evanston’s Jon Samuels is in the White House legislative affairs office and Ben LaBolt, a LaGrange native, is a White House spokesman. Ellie Schaefer, from Lincolnwood, runs the White House visitors office. They worked on the Obama presidential campaign.

The late, great Chicago political scientist Milton Rakove titled one of his books We Don’t Want Nobody Nobody Sent, and that’s what I see so far: concentric circles of interlocking social, personal and political relationships that go back years. The University of Chicago is one focal point; City Hall is another.

Think Muckety, not machine. (Muckety.com is a Web site that pulls together a person’s interlocking relationships.)

Jarrett disagrees with my 51st Ward metaphor. The Chicagoans, after all, are now operating on a national and international stage.

But I brought up the analogy because I wanted to figure out if there is a Chicago sensibility in the Obama White House.

What was exported from Chicago to Washington, Jarrett said, was “personal relationships that we have that creates a foundation of trust. . . . Some of my closest friends today are people who have been at City Hall,” she said, referring to Sher, Mrs. Obama and Axelrod.

The Chicagoans at the top tier of the Obama White House have actually known each other longer than they have known the Obamas.

“We shared a common history in that so many of us did have ties back to City Hall and had relationships that grew out of that experience, and we have grown up in a sense together,” Jarrett told me. “And then to come here together, it would have been much harder without each other.”

Duncan, the former Chicago Public Schools chief, also brought a contingent with him to Washington.

“There is a Chicago crowd of people here, and a lot of us learned our politics from some pros,” said Peter Cunningham, who worked for Duncan at CPS. Cunningham, a former speechwriter in Daley’s City Hall, is now assistant secretary for communications and outreach in the Education Department.

Obama named three Chicagoans — all major fund-raisers — to be ambassadors: Lou Susman to Great Britain, David Jacobson to Canada and Fay Hartog-Levin to the Netherlands. Hartog-Levin’s husband, Daniel Levin, is the chairman of the Habitat Co. Jarrett is the former president and CEO of Habitat.

Chicago lawyer Ertharin Cousin — who worked on the Obama campaign and is a veteran of city, state and national politics — was nominated last month to be U.S. ambassador to the Rome-based United Nations Agencies for Food and Agriculture.

Cindy Moelis was tapped by Obama last April to be the director of the President’s Commission on White House Fellowships. Moelis is a friend of Mrs. Obama and worked with her at City Hall. Moelis later became the executive director of the Pritzker Traubert Family Foundation.

That’s Pritzker as in Penny Pritzker — the Obama presidential campaign finance chairwoman. Obama headlined a Democratic National Committee fund-raiser at her Lincoln Park home Thursday. Moelis’ husband is Robert Rivkin, who wound up in the Obama administration as general counsel to the Transportation Department. Rivkin is a former CTA general counsel. Jarrett formerly chaired the CTA Board.

Rivkin’s boss is Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, the former Illinois congressman who worked closely with Emanuel while they were both in the House. (Chicago author Carol Felsenthal, writing for the Huffington Post, noted that Rivkin’s brother Charles, also an Obama fund-raiser, was picked to be ambassador to France.)

Last month, Obama named Bryan Traubert, Pritzker’s husband, as a member of the commission Moelis now runs. The president also named to the commission Eleanor Kaye Wilson, a former DePaul University official and a friend of Marian Robinson, Mrs. Obama’s mother. Wilson is godmother to Obama daughters Malia and Sasha.

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

August 3rd, 2009
1:02 pm

SQUIDBILLY WONDER WHY ALL REPUBLICANS DUCK WARTIME COMBAT LIKE RUMMY BUSH CHENEY RUSH LIMPBAUGH HANNITY AND SUXBY? BUT YOU COWARDS NEVER POINT THIS OUT WHY? IT SEEMS LIKE THE DEMOCRAPS ONLY GO OFF TO FIGHT FOR FREEDOM WHILE THE COWARD REPUBLICANS ARE SOMEWHERE DOING COCAINE AND BEING LOGCABIN GAY REPUBLICANS!

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 3rd, 2009
4:17 pm

Keep the birther movement going. A vibrant bunch of whackjobs like the Orley “Dr.” who supposedly represents the birthers–she ain’t an MD that’s for sure is as good as Palin for winning us elections.

Keep that whackjob on the air by all means.

Where’s the Wooten and Kyle Wingnut Birther article movement? Where’s the Right Wingnut AJC Julia Wallace Birther crusade? Bring it the f_ck on–it’s one more way for us to crush you.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 3rd, 2009
4:20 pm

Suxby turned in a fake and nebulous knee ailment. It hasn’t stopped him from scamperin’ around and playin’ a blue million holes of golf. Like all Republicans, Suxby wants lower economically situationed black, Hispanics and whites to be the fish in a barrel in Iraq and Afghanistan. Suxby would piss in his pants if anyone mentioned the word VietNam. Cheney got six deferements–he’s a pants pisser and of course the ultimate chickens_it Bush.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 3rd, 2009
4:23 pm

Lynn Sweet is a right wing moron working for a right wing newspaper. Both major papers in Chicago are unabashedly right wingnut papers. Boy, I’m sure glad there were no Texans in the White House during the previous Bush 8 years. That would have been real scarry. No nepotism there at all. They did such a f_ckin’ good job. If only we could have Bush back.

When you wanna shine, paste a Lynn Sweet article in here–that’s the epitome of intellect. LOL

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 3rd, 2009
4:26 pm

Marian Robinson for the next Supreme Court Justice right? Or is it Stanford’s Pam Karlan or Kathleen Sullivan author of one of the top constitutional law books used by law schools? How about Michelle Obama for Supreme Court?–sounds fine to me.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 3rd, 2009
4:28 pm

Damn it’s hard to duke it out with these right whackjob wingnuts. They’re so articulate and well educated. If only I could have afforded school. Particularly their medical prowess and knowledge of the law. It’s just friggin’ awesome! They’re almost as bright as “ah kin see russha whackjob unemployed Palin.” LOL Palin can’t get hired by right wingnut radio that takes some of the most intense scum on the planet–Colter, Rush, but they won’t touch Palin.

Keep that birther movement goin’. Keep Joe the Whackjob out there. They’re the leaders of your crushed party.

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 3rd, 2009
5:11 pm

Since the Republitards had the House, Senate and Westwing until 2006 and never again, why didn’t they push health care reformthen?

Stomp the republitards--they make it easy. We won elections.

August 3rd, 2009
5:19 pm

I don’t understand why Obama is naming people he knows and trusts to positions. Why doesn’t he commute the sentences of the 200 plus Republitard whackjobs, get them out of the BOP, and put them in key positions? Why doesn’t he make Brownie Chief of frigin’ staff?

Why not commute Senor Jack Abramoff’s sentence immediately, and put Abramoff and Rove in charge of all appointments by Obama? Ah mean it done make great sense tuh me.

Reconciliation & Republican Defeat is a Comin' Baby.

August 3rd, 2009
8:05 pm

WASHINGTON (AP) — Dozens of Guantanamo Bay detainee cases have been referred to federal prosecutors for possible criminal trials in the nation’s capital, Virginia and New York City, officials told The Associated Press on Monday as a second strategy for trying the detainees emerged within the Obama administration.

The Justice Department’s strategy of holding trials in East Coast cities could be a sharp departure from a Pentagon plan to hold all Guantanamo-related civilian and military trials in the Midwest.

The politically volatile decisions about where and how to try Guantanamo Bay detainees ultimately will rest with President Barack Obama as he tries to meet his self-imposed January deadline for closing the island prison.

Obama administration officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss internal deliberations, said Attorney General Eric Holder met privately last week with the chief federal prosecutor in each of the East Coast areas to discuss the preparations for possible indictments and trials in those districts.

Pharmacy Guide

July 8th, 2010
5:07 pm

Special areas in the pancreas gland, the Islets of Langerhans, produce a hormone called insulin. This hormone is a protein of small size.

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Pharmacy Guide

July 8th, 2010
5:09 pm

The above statement is seen to be contradictory. The situation is very critical and need an experience complainer to resolve it.

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Christina