Give us health tax deductions

Thinking Right’s weekend free-for-all. Pick a topic:

U.S. Rep. Tom Price (R-Roswell) drafts the national health care plan that Congress should consider. Tax credits and deductions give consumers money to purchase medical coverage in the private sector, shopping across state lines. State high-risk pools would cover those with existing medical problems. One vital feature, missing from the Democrats’ plans, are provisions to curtail excessive medical malpractice awards. It is a national policy calamity that a more open and honest congressional debate didn’t occur.

Don’t know Glenn Thomas, a candidate for mayor of Atlanta, but he offers a profound insight into taxes collected by one government and handed over to another to spend, specifically Atlanta’s spending of federal largesse. Said Thomas: “It’s not that we don’t have the money. We don’t know how to spend it.” He was speaking of the wasted $100 million Empowerment Zone money that the Clinton administration shoveled to Atlanta.

Same topic, different point. The Empowerment, now called Renewal Community, has about $37 million remaining and may have to return about $30 million to the feds at year’s end if it’s not spent. “The goal of the [Renewal Community] board is not to send any money back,” said Peggy Harper, board chairman. “We’re going to look for the most expedient way to spend the money.” In two sentences, Harper has just explained the failure of 99 percent of federal social programs – and how people end up in jail, though far less often than they should if federal programs were properly monitored.

You be the judge: The honesty of John Thompson, a 29-year state employee is so startling – “I do nothing” – that a) Diogenes works for Georgia or b) he’s really angry with superiors and wants somebody fired. You gotta admit, though, that moving him to a “do-nothing” job from “chief of operations” and giving him a 22 percent pay increase is the way that large corporations and big governments with too much money deal with their personnel problems.

East Point officials appear to be doing a commendable job of managing the city out of its recurring financial troubles, prompting the question of why City Council would now invite future financial trouble by recognizing a union, East Point Professional Firefighters Local 4717, to represent its fire department.

Other than newspapers, the single company I’d like most to see succeed is Ford Motor Co., which just posted second-quarter profits of $2.3 million. Executives there took the risk to borrow $23.5 billion in 2006 and 2007, putting the entire corporation on the line, to prepare for the downturn. No government bailout. That kind of free-enterprise risk-taking should be rewarded in the marketplace.

Fulton County’s new elections chief, Barry Garner, makes an outlandish promise. “We are not going to be the laughingstock of the election community anymore” by always being the last to get ballots counted,” said the brash young newcomer. He’d just as soon promise to end traffic congestion.

Oh, car hijackee and Atlanta City Councilman Ceasar Mitchell, was not the victim of crime; he was the victim of perception of crime. According to the mayor, the city’s “safer now than it has been in decades.” But people like Mitchell and Council President Lisa Borders seem to be noticing crime more.

The whole world knew when the shakedown of Big Tobacco succeeded that they’d be coming for the soft-drink and snack-food industries at the earliest opportunity. Answer the door, Maggie. They’ve come. The liberals at the Urban Institute, allegedly alarmed by increases in obesity, think a 10 percent tax on “fattening food” would “reduce consumption while raising more than $500 billion over 10 years.”

285 comments Add your comment

crazy joe

July 31st, 2009
12:42 pm

Oh Tray, Tray, Tray. You WILL get what’s comin’ to ya!!! And, personally, I can’t wait!!!

Free Market Woman

July 31st, 2009
12:43 pm

Here’s to you nanny-state losers. Enjoy your socialist state while the winners actually provide for you epiphytes. Have a government regulated peanut butter sandwich or maybe some government cheese – I hear that you can taste the delicious inefficient bureaucracy. I’ll have a steak and glass of pinot.

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!!

July 31st, 2009
12:45 pm

Ever noticed how the most virulent racists end up in nursing homes, (mainly cause their kids can’t stand them); being cared for by black women with BAD attitudes? I wonder who’s singing “mammy” now?

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!!

July 31st, 2009
12:48 pm

That free market lady is really off the deep end!!! That steak she wants to eat has just been dropped by the government regulators because of people like that crazy cow!! Get it? Crazy Cow?! Mad Cow Disease?!?!! Get it??!! AHHHH whatta you know from funny!!!! Hey free market lady == Mooo, Moooo, MOOOOOOkkklllllaaaa!! (The last moo was from the mad cow).

Free Market Woman

July 31st, 2009
12:49 pm

batman,
Your compassion for people in nursing homes shows the true compassion of a liberal. Please tell us how you feel about rape in prison. I bet it meets with your stamp of approval.

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!!

July 31st, 2009
12:53 pm

Lady, BATMAN didn’t make that comment. Crazy Joe did. Didn’t they teach you how to READ in deregulated land? Try and keep up okay? Moookkkkllllaaaaa (that was from the mad cow).

Th

July 31st, 2009
12:54 pm

A program funded to last until Nov. based on the number of people who were projected to take advantage of the offer, but instead is so popular it runs out of money in one week is a colossal success, not failure.

The health care reform bill making its way through the house is a combination system of public and private with restrictions on who may buy the public plan. It is only available to those who are eligible to buy insurance in the exchanges where there are minimum standards for all policies and people are free to choose which option suits them best. To say that congressmen have or don’t have Obamacare shows a basic misunderstanding of the proposed legislation. The reason the Lewin Group said that people would prefer the public option is that it will be able to give you the same coverageas the private plans for $2500 per year less for a family plan. This is before there are any susidies for the public plan. If you doubt me, read the study yourself. You only need to read the first four paragraphs.

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!!

July 31st, 2009
12:55 pm

Ooopss you’re right!!! Batman DID make that comment!! It wasn’t funny though! Not as funny as the one about the mad cow!! Get it?! AHHHH you wouldn’t know funny if it rode in on a deregulated horse!!!! Give that deregulated horse some deregulated peanut butter!!!

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!!

July 31st, 2009
12:58 pm

free market lady: if you go to prison you should EXPECT to be raped. It’s sort of like part of the job description. Just tellin…………………. MOOOOOKKKKKlllllaaaaaawww (that was from the mad cow).

PS: And there you go jumping to conclusions!! You’re calling me a liberal and you don’t know mad cow squat about me!!!! You “free marketers” are so dang funny!!! Sigh: You’re just too easy sometimes…………….. just too dang easy………

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!!

July 31st, 2009
1:01 pm

Oh and I never have any compassion or sympathy for racists!!! Are you “MAD”?!………… get it??? Mad Cow??? Deregulation!!??? Get it?!? Ahhhhhh………go eat a deregulated peanut butter sandwich!!!! Whadda you know from funny!!!!

Free Market Woman

July 31st, 2009
1:02 pm

batman,
Your wit sucks as bad as your short term memory of what you just wrote and your use of exclamation marks. You should look into writing for Dane Cook or Carrot Top.

Dunwoody Mike

July 31st, 2009
1:03 pm

Tray said,
“Matilda…I belive in helping those out who have issues. But where’s the fine line?
I’m no Mr. Moneybags, I live paycheck to paycheck as well. How are these people with pre-existing conditions my FINANCIAL responsibility? My taxes are going to increase to pay for issues that i don’t care about…HEALTHCARE IS NOT A RIGHT, IT’S A PRIVILEDGE!!”

Where is your humanity, Tray? Your concern for your fellow human beings. If you have ANY compassion and repect for human dignity, then you would support efforts to insure the uinsured and underinsured.

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
1:03 pm

The reason the “Lewin group” said anything is that they are totally owned by United Health Care and what they said will not be taken into account by the House, the Senate, or the conference committee.

We have the votes in the House, and in the Senate to tras.h the Lewin Group=Insurance Company.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
1:05 pm

Crazy joe, i hate to say it, but i won’t get what’s coming to me because i won’t break the law and go to jail!!

And for those bashing the ‘free market’-the FREE MARKET has given us everything we love!

Those iphones everyone loves, the American Idol show that all you Obam-ites love, the fun pleasures in life-all of those are thanks to the FREE MARKET. Government didn’t give us those great inventions. Everyone bashes the free market now, but the free market is what has given us the best MEDICAL INVENTIONS, the best technological inventions, the best out of everything. Government doesn’t give you the best, they give you the cheapest and hope it still works…

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
1:05 pm

Insurer-Owned Consulting Firm Often Cited in Health Debate

By David S. Hilzenrath
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 23, 2009

The political battle over health-care reform is waged largely with numbers, and few number-crunchers have shaped the debate as much as the Lewin Group, a consulting firm whose research has been widely cited by opponents of a public insurance option.

To Rep. Eric Cantor (Va.), the House Republican whip, it is “the nonpartisan Lewin Group.” To Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee, it is an “independent research firm.” To Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (Utah), the second-ranking Republican on the pivotal Finance Committee, it is “well known as one of the most nonpartisan groups in the country.”

Generally left unsaid amid all the citations is that the Lewin Group is wholly owned by UnitedHealth Group, one of the nation’s largest insurers.

More specifically, the Lewin Group is part of Ingenix, a UnitedHealth subsidiary that was accused by the New York attorney general and the American Medical Association of helping insurers shift medical expenses to consumers by distributing skewed data. Ingenix supplied UnitedHealth and other insurers with data that allegedly understated the “reasonable and customary” doctor fees that insurers use to determine how much they will reimburse consumers for out-of-network care.

In January, UnitedHealth agreed to a $50 million settlement with the New York attorney general and a $350 million settlement with the AMA, covering conduct going back as far as 1994.

Ingenix’s chief executive, Andrew Slavitt, said the company’s data was never biased, but Ingenix nonetheless agreed to exit that particular line of business. “The data didn’t have the appearance of independence that’s necessary for it to be useful,” Slavitt said.

Lewin Group Vice President John Sheils said his firm had nothing to do with the Ingenix reimbursement data. Lewin has gone through “a terribly difficult adjustment” since it was bought by UnitedHealth in 2007, he said, because the corporate ownership “does create the appearance of a conflict of interest.”

“It hasn’t affected . . . the work we do, and I think people who know me know that I am not a good liar,” Sheils said.

Lewin’s clients include the government and groups with a variety of perspectives, including the Commonwealth Fund and the Heritage Foundation. A February report by the firm contained information that could be used to argue for a national system known as single-payer, the approach most threatening to insurers, Sheils noted.

But not all of Lewin’s reports see the light of day. “Let’s just say, sometimes studies come out that don’t show exactly what the client wants to see. And in those instances, they have [the] option to bury the study,” Sheils said.

“The Lewin Group is committed to providing independent, objective and nonpartisan analyses of policy options,” the firm said in a recent submission to the House Energy and Commerce Committee. Though it is owned by UnitedHealth, the Lewin Group “has editorial control over all its work products,” the firm added.

Lewin produced one of the most widely cited statistics of the health-care debate: Under a particular version of a public option, the number of people with private, employer-sponsored coverage would decline by more than 100 million.

Opponents of the public option have invoked the finding as proof that offering a government-run health plan would deprive people of their employer-sponsored coverage and lead to a government takeover of the health-care system.

“The nonpartisan Lewin Group predicts that two out of three Americans who get their health care through their employer would lose it under the House Democrat plan,” Cantor, the second-ranking member of the House Republican leadership, said in a July 12 commentary in the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

Since then, adjusting its analysis to reflect the latest version of legislation drafted by House Democrats, Lewin has estimated that 88.1 million workers would shift from private, employer-sponsored insurance to the proposed public plan.

The Congressional Budget Office came to a different conclusion, saying that enrollment in the House Democrats’ proposed public plan would total 11 million to 12 million people.

Sheils said the CBO apparently assumes that only small employers would be able to shift their workers into the proposed health insurance exchange — where individuals could shop for coverage among regulated options — while Lewin assumes that all employers could do that. The House bill would leave open-ended the question of which employers would be eligible to use the exchange.

The CBO did not respond to requests for comment.

President Obama and other backers have said a government-run health plan could provide a check on insurers, especially in markets where industry consolidation has left little competition among private health plans. Obama has pledged that, if people like their current coverage, they will be able to keep it.

Insurance companies have been trying to block the public option, saying it would undercut their prices and put them out of business by slashing payments to doctors and hospitals.

Though the millions of people Lewin was describing would lose their employer-sponsored coverage, they wouldn’t be forced into a government-run health plan, Sheils said in an interview. Rather, they would be able to choose between the government plan and other private options, and “they might very well be better off,” he said.

Mother Faulkner

July 31st, 2009
1:06 pm

Hi everyone! I’m new to these boards, but this Jim Wooten doesn’t seem too bright!

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
1:07 pm

We kicked the Lewin group’s butt in court and proved they were using fake numbers and we should have had them indicted. None of your pubtards like Cantor and Hatch seem to notice that.

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
1:08 pm

Jim Wooten isn’t bright. The Right Wingnut Cox carried him for years to write trash with his very poor education. It’s called welfare for white racista hicks.

crazy joe

July 31st, 2009
1:09 pm

Tray — check out the comment from the batman about nursing homes. Trust me, you WILL get what’s coming to ya!!! PS: Don’t forget to practice your blowing skills and your deep knee bends now; you probably won’t have much time AFTER you get to prison.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
1:09 pm

@Dunwoody mike

i have compassion! I don’t have money. Compassion costs. i donate all of my old clothes, all my son’s and wife’s old clothes, and some money. THERE’S MY DAMN COMPASSION. Where’s your compassion?? My son wants an xbox360 that i can’t afford. Will you buy it for me? No of course not, that’s a luxury. SO IS HEALTHCARE. Don’t think i don’t feel sympathy for those who can’t afford, but no one can explain where it’s our responsibility to provide for others.

Every Dem who can;t fight against me always says i have no sympathy…if that’s the only argument you can present, then might i suggest you do more research. because while i do have compassion, i am not required to by law, and i already do everything in my power to help those less fortunate. I do not need money STOLEN from me in the form of taxes to pay for someone else’s surgery. HEALTHCARE IS NOT A RIGHT.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
1:12 pm

@crazy joe-

not get any from the wifey?? Is that why you’re so obsessed about being no knees and bending over…? Don’t you have how Democratic wives just don’t give it up like they used to??

but hey-if the libs want gay marriage and abortions that’s fine. Half of the Dems will be gay, the other half will abort all their kids…in about 50 years there won’t be anymore democrats!!! YAY!!!

Brad Steal

July 31st, 2009
1:13 pm

Tray,
It sounds like your donations will certainly get you beatified.

HEALTHCARE IS NOT A RIGHT! I am with you and I support your right to suffer and die.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
1:13 pm

Wow CRAZY JOE, batman’s commet was all about racism, and somehow you’ve labelled me as a racist and i don’t even know how…you truly are crazy implying i am a racist when i have made no racial comments, only truths.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
1:14 pm

All you Dems better support your right to suffer and die, what do you think happens when you get old on GOV’T CARE?? The let you suffer and DIE instead of trying to save your life!!

They ued to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!

July 31st, 2009
1:17 pm

free market lady: CARROT TOP, CARROT TOP!!! you want me to write for CARROT TOP!! Are you insane woman!! My best work, which I know you’ve heard before, came out of George W. Bush’s mouth!! That’s right folks, I am the man who wrote all his material. All of his number one’s, that was ME!!! Here’s some of my favorites:

“You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.” -Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001

“You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.” –interview with CBS News’ Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

“The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th.” –Washington, D.C., July 12, 2007

“I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family.” –Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000

Now THAT’s funny lady!!! Carrot Top be danged!!!

Brad Steal

July 31st, 2009
1:18 pm

Tay,
you too should take a try at professional comedy writing. Your ooohhh soooo funny!!!

crazy joe

July 31st, 2009
1:20 pm

From Tray: Don’t you have how Democratic wives just don’t give it up like they used to??

From Crazy Joe: WTF did you just say? Can you please break down that sentence in ENGLISH. Thanks bud!!

Tray

July 31st, 2009
1:20 pm

What’s so funny is how you’re unwavering trust for the government is going to be your undoing.

A government strong enough to give you anything you want is strong enough to take away anything you have…

Tray

July 31st, 2009
1:24 pm

Sorry,

DON’T YOU HATE HOW…

thought you were asmart enough to figure it out, thus i sisn’t post a correction.

Context clues…don’t you remember your government education?

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
1:25 pm

GDP this morning showed how h orrible the Bush idiots ran this country into the ground and how many substantive steps the Obama administration has taken and succeeded in stopping the slikde. The GP is conveniently omitted by Wooten and his flacks.

Maxwell Snark

July 31st, 2009
1:32 pm

I recently asked a friend who lives in Atlanta, “What’s with everyone shooting everyone else down there?” Obviously not possible, but you get the drift. Outside Atlanta, it looks like a crime wave of huge proportions inside Atlanta.

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
1:36 pm

Tray

July 31st, 2009
1:14 pm

Tray…That’s totally untrue and again you don’t know what you’re talking about!

I had pneumonia in January and spent 3 weeks in the intensive care unit then was transferred to a rehab clinic for 2 weeks, after I was released a therapist visited my home for a month. In all, out of pocket expense 165.00.

Medicare …. A program us old people can count on….socialized medicine at it’s best!

crazy joe

July 31st, 2009
1:43 pm

Tray: Unlike some on these blogs, I don’t try to presume the writer’s intention from their words. I know it must be frustrating, but I prefer not to jump to conclusions. Kinda of unrepublican of me huh?

Now however your comment makes sense(?) — at least in your mind. I’m a little perplexed though. I thought we were talking about you getting hit on, (hopefully repeatedly), in prison by some strong swarthy men. I kinda like that subject……just the thought of it……..it just makes my day so much brighter! But, if you wish to speak about democratic wives, then by all means, please go ahead. But, unlike you, I’ve never been with every democratic wife and can’t speak of their prowess inside the bedroom, I can’t really join in on the conversation.

However, one bright note, is that I can speak about the legion of republican men who seem to prefer ANYBODY BUT their wives!!! Wanna talk about that?

Chris Broe

July 31st, 2009
1:44 pm

Wooten has become a bully. He wants more people to end up in jail. He picks a fight with firefighters. He can’t write the word “democrat” without using an emoticon of a guy with both eyes blackened, a bloody nose, and a split lip, (healthcare anyone?). Wooten exposes his personal problem by mocking personnel problems. He makes a laughing stock out of poor Barry Garner. He belittles car-jacking victims.

Worse, Wooten tries to trick unsuspecting car buyers into being burned alive and torn limb from limb when he writes about risk-taking car companies, when the only real risk is the one Ford buyers assume when they strap their child in the back seat and ignite the hi-tech fuel leak that passes for any Ford ever built. He assumes risk himself when he uses the word “shoveled”. Then he expects forgiveness when he trips on a Diogenes reference, (oh? It means cynic? and cynicism describes John Thompson’s lament?), and completes the foul-up when he follows up with this folly: “It is a national policy calamity that a more open and honest congressional debate didn’t occur.” If a second grader had written that sentence, I’d give her a C+, (and a tablespoon of castor oil).

Another gifted writer, Bob Barr, embarrassed himself today with this send-off: “If it weren’t tax payer money it would be humorous.” Did he expect the reader to nod silently and engage a wry facial expression after they absorbed that “profound insight” (Wooten’s cliche-of-the-day) into our good president’s attempts to stimulate car sales?

JackLeg

July 31st, 2009
1:57 pm

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP , there is a key on your keyboard that says “Caps Lock”. Just in case you hit it by accident, but if you put it on just to shout at every one, you must be a dimacrap.

Mother Faulkner

July 31st, 2009
1:59 pm

Well if he’s that bad, it’s a good thing he’s retiring soon. When will we be allowed to comment on musings of the cherubic Mr. Wingfield? I get the feeling he may not be the sharpest tool in the shed either, but he sure is cute!

Mother Faulkner

July 31st, 2009
2:02 pm

But Jack, how could he possibly convey his frustration without typing in caps? Besides, if we’ve learned anything, it’s that cogent arguments and economical word choice are nothing compared to TALKING REAL LOUD…

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!

July 31st, 2009
2:07 pm

The Third Time has GOT TO BE THE CHARM!!!:

Tray: Yes yes I get it. Government: bad, Bad, BAD!! Free market: good, Good, GOOD!!! And there is NEVER any gray in between folks, it’s all black and white!!!

Hey Tray, I bet you can’t WAIT until the government gets out of our food and our airline industries huh? I mean just imagine………..(harps and violins playing in background):

You get on your flight with your lovely family to a fun filled vacation to Three Mile Island, (where the rich go to play), and halfway there, your plane is having engine troubles ’cause the government doesn’t mandate inspections for planes anymore. Your pilots, (who have just completed 24 hours of flying for another airline and who are bone tired BUT since pilot rest periods aren’t regulated by the government and they really need that extra money); are lethargic and don’t catch the “TURN AROUND NOW FOOL” button that keeps going off . Your stewardess, just served your kids some good old fashioned peanut butter sandwiches from that peanut factory in Georgia (the deregulated one); and your wife is eating a hamburger that is rampant with Mad Cow disease. What’s going to happen to you guys now?

Here it comes…………………..wait for it………………..wait for it………………………. WHO CARES?!! Your azzes are grass anyway!!! You might as well grab your ankles and kiss your behind goodbye!!! Who needs government interventions in their lives? WE DO!!! Duh!!! :roll:

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!

July 31st, 2009
2:09 pm

Amen Mother, Amen!!!! BESIDES, I LOVE CAPS!!!

Mother Faulkner

July 31st, 2009
2:15 pm

Crazy Joe/Batman,

You seem like a nice young man–have you ever met my son Ray Pugh? He posts on here sometimes but is currently working on a 6-week commercial fishing venture off the coast off the Faulkland Islands. He had mostly praise for the majority of posters on here, but said that many wear “tin-foil hats” and “live in their parents basements,” whatever that means…

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
2:16 pm

There is a reason why EVERY industrialized nation in the world except the United States has some form of a single payer system…it makes the most sense economically, socially, and morally. Our current system is unsustainable and has to be reformed so the question then becomes do you reform it with something that is known to work such as a single payer system or do you replace it with something that is not known to work just to be politically practical and keep the health insurance companies in business?

keeping it real

July 31st, 2009
2:19 pm

Wow! We are using our money so other people can have a new car. One they probably cannot afford. Socialism at its best. Next up will be the elimination of the “for profit” health insurance companies. They provide a valuable service and make tons of money of the hard work of all of us. Its a smart idea, I wish I thought of it. Though, like all insurance companies, their structure is socialist in its essence.

ToniBaloney

July 31st, 2009
2:23 pm

What happened to everyone?

deegee

July 31st, 2009
2:28 pm

The problem with health care reform is that the majority of insured American people think that they are getting something for nothing and they are concerned that they are going to have to spend something on their health care in the future. They pay their $20.00 co-pay. Their insurance premiums are deducted from their paycheck so they never see the money. It would be nice if they had to write a check every month for their portion of their insurance premium. They think that their employer has a bottomless pit of money to pay for what they consider to be an absolute entitlement from their employer. The American people take no personal responsibility for their healthiness because, what the hell, they have insurance so somebody else will pay for their lifestyle diseases. And you think that we can’t afford a single payer system now? Wait til the baby boomers retire in the next ten years. Wait til they see what they are going to have to pay for health care because there aren’t enough young people in the workforce to pay their Medicare benefits. I’ll bet the AARP will be demanding a single payer system and that everyone over the age of 18 is going to have to pay for insurance.

crazy joe

July 31st, 2009
2:29 pm

Mother: Thanks!! I think I do know your son — he and I went to USC together, (that SC stands for South Carolina….I’m a proud southern boy). But, to clear up a misconception; batman is not me.
:wink:

Jackie

July 31st, 2009
2:33 pm

@Charles

It appears that you continue believe that your points are salient.
You are a racist windbag that tries to conflate half-truths and innuendo to make your point.

It appears to me that using God’s name in vain is not wise. I truly believe that you will roast in Hades for the rest of eternity.

Mrs Jon Stewart

July 31st, 2009
2:40 pm

Deegee: The AARP endorses Obama’s health plan initiative; it’s the Fox News Pundits who want it to end ’cause it’s funded by Kenyan’s For Obama. It’s another “Kenyan 40+ year conspiracy” that’s fueling this!!

crazy joe

July 31st, 2009
2:51 pm

From Tray: Wow CRAZY JOE, batman’s commet was all about racism, and somehow you’ve labelled me as a racist and i don’t even know how…you truly are crazy implying i am a racist when i have made no racial comments, only truths

From crazy joe: Tray I by no means called you or inferred to your being racist!!! I was talking about you ending up in a nursing home, (when you get out of prison), alone, unloved and unvisited. Without even a ‘hi ya do” from all the men you’d serviced in prison. A sad, sad end indeed.

T Knight

July 31st, 2009
2:56 pm

It occurs to me while we are going through this whole health care debacle that Christopher Dodd is a lucky man. He has the coverage given to all politicians and will have surgery for prostate cancer, which will be paid for. If he were just an average guy under Obama care without that coverage, he would sit before bureaucrats and be told he is just too old to be bothered with.

They used to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!

July 31st, 2009
3:05 pm

I know that this is not Bookman’s blog but in honor of today’s subject and because it’s friday; this end of the week, riding down the highway, tune is for you guys. This is what every woman needs, a boyfriend with a healthcare plan!! Enjoy!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCw_UoRhTUk