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Thinking Right’s weekend free-for-all. Pick a topic:

U.S. Rep. Tom Price (R-Roswell) drafts the national health care plan that Congress should consider. Tax credits and deductions give consumers money to purchase medical coverage in the private sector, shopping across state lines. State high-risk pools would cover those with existing medical problems. One vital feature, missing from the Democrats’ plans, are provisions to curtail excessive medical malpractice awards. It is a national policy calamity that a more open and honest congressional debate didn’t occur.

Don’t know Glenn Thomas, a candidate for mayor of Atlanta, but he offers a profound insight into taxes collected by one government and handed over to another to spend, specifically Atlanta’s spending of federal largesse. Said Thomas: “It’s not that we don’t have the money. We don’t know how to spend it.” He was speaking of the wasted $100 million Empowerment Zone money that the Clinton administration shoveled to Atlanta.

Same topic, different point. The Empowerment, now called Renewal Community, has about $37 million remaining and may have to return about $30 million to the feds at year’s end if it’s not spent. “The goal of the [Renewal Community] board is not to send any money back,” said Peggy Harper, board chairman. “We’re going to look for the most expedient way to spend the money.” In two sentences, Harper has just explained the failure of 99 percent of federal social programs – and how people end up in jail, though far less often than they should if federal programs were properly monitored.

You be the judge: The honesty of John Thompson, a 29-year state employee is so startling – “I do nothing” – that a) Diogenes works for Georgia or b) he’s really angry with superiors and wants somebody fired. You gotta admit, though, that moving him to a “do-nothing” job from “chief of operations” and giving him a 22 percent pay increase is the way that large corporations and big governments with too much money deal with their personnel problems.

East Point officials appear to be doing a commendable job of managing the city out of its recurring financial troubles, prompting the question of why City Council would now invite future financial trouble by recognizing a union, East Point Professional Firefighters Local 4717, to represent its fire department.

Other than newspapers, the single company I’d like most to see succeed is Ford Motor Co., which just posted second-quarter profits of $2.3 million. Executives there took the risk to borrow $23.5 billion in 2006 and 2007, putting the entire corporation on the line, to prepare for the downturn. No government bailout. That kind of free-enterprise risk-taking should be rewarded in the marketplace.

Fulton County’s new elections chief, Barry Garner, makes an outlandish promise. “We are not going to be the laughingstock of the election community anymore” by always being the last to get ballots counted,” said the brash young newcomer. He’d just as soon promise to end traffic congestion.

Oh, car hijackee and Atlanta City Councilman Ceasar Mitchell, was not the victim of crime; he was the victim of perception of crime. According to the mayor, the city’s “safer now than it has been in decades.” But people like Mitchell and Council President Lisa Borders seem to be noticing crime more.

The whole world knew when the shakedown of Big Tobacco succeeded that they’d be coming for the soft-drink and snack-food industries at the earliest opportunity. Answer the door, Maggie. They’ve come. The liberals at the Urban Institute, allegedly alarmed by increases in obesity, think a 10 percent tax on “fattening food” would “reduce consumption while raising more than $500 billion over 10 years.”

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EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

July 31st, 2009
10:21 am

TRAY FUNNY HOW YOU REDNECKS POINT OUT DEMOCRAPS BEING ON WELFARE,BUT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON WELFARE THE 70% ARE REDNECK WHITE WOMEN,SINCE THERE ARE NOT MANY BLACK PEOPLE IN STATES LIKE WYOMING UTAH NORTH AND SOUTH DAKOTA MINN IOWA MAINE ARIZONA NEVADA OREGON STATE OF WASHINGTON,OK NEBRASKA NEW HAMPSHIRE AND NEW MEXICO,PLUS YOU DID`NT HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT WELFARE FOR THE RICH WHEN THE REPUBLICAN CROOKS WERE IN OFFICE,BUSH AND CHENEY GAVE WELFARE CHECKS TO THEIR OWN COMPANIES,BUT YOU RACIST OVERLOOK ALL THE CRIME A REDNECK GOP DOES! REAL CRIMINAL VALUES YOU CAN COUNT ON BY THE GOP,AND ALSO I`M A INDEPENDENT VOTER AND THINKER,DEMOCRAPS OR EVIL REPUBLICANS NEVER THINK FOR ME TRAY!

Got Paranoia?

July 31st, 2009
10:21 am

Michael H. Smith,
Posting to a blog does not make you a journalist! The AJC has not initiated a conspiracy against you. No one really cares about what you have to say.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
10:23 am

@Jake,

That’s the problem with Dems, Jake, they don’t look further down the road than their own intentions. The ‘public (government) option’ will put the other options out of business. First off, please address is as it is-the government plan, because there will be no option, that’s one of B.O’s illusions.
1)the govt plan does not need to make profit to compete, the other plans do.
2)since no profit is needed, services will be cheaper, thus taking customers away from other ‘options’.
3)once the other ‘options’ start losing customers and thus profit, they WILL HAVE TO CLOSE.
4)after they all close, WHERE’S THE OPTION??

On top of that, if this plan were so good, how come the politicians are written OUT OF IT!
If this plan really were the answer, ALL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, down to post office workers, should eb on this government plan. But they know it won’t work, which is why the politicians aren’t a pert of it!

George American

July 31st, 2009
10:26 am

“Charles”,

The integrationist keep them away from real jobs and enslaved with the meager government handouts. Why would they get a job if they can gets it for free? That’s how they keeps them away from the jobs. They won’t get off the couch for anything other than going to the mailbox to see if their check is in.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
10:27 am

No paranoia on my part but the journalist at the AJC must have paranoia if they fear objective opinions being expressed on their blogs when the comment is decent, clean and does not express hate in any form.

As to who cares about what is said by whom that is completely up to the real experts on journalism to decide – the AJC readers.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
10:35 am

@EVIL REPUBS..

Dude, give me abreak with your racist crap. here YOU ARE bringing it up, not me. Funny how that’s all you have. And no, whites aren’t the only crooks. Let me break it down for you:

White-Big time million dollar corporate greed schemes, child molestors, some racists.
Blacks-Murder you for your shoes, most rapists, most petty theft, B&E’s, some rapes
mexicans-theft, rapists, child molestors (less than whites).

Betwen you and me, I’d rather get ripped off by my white boss and lose my job, than get murdered or raped…

Alex Neill

July 31st, 2009
10:41 am

…except that in Jesse’s case it was more like, Step-Up-and-Fetch-It…

Matilda

July 31st, 2009
10:42 am

Tray, I’m sure your 10:23 contains all the answers I could ever need, but I’m a little slow this morning, so please help me out. Where’s the option you propose for people with pre-existing conditions who are currently REFUSED coverage by competitive, private, for-profit companies? I know you’re not telling these nice folks to eat doo-doo and die, because that’s what Kaiser already told them. You’re FAR too fine a man to stand for THAT! Please clarify.

Jake

July 31st, 2009
10:45 am

Tray – That’s a good argument for the not-for-profit co-op. I’d just like my health care dollars to go for my health care, or, at worse, mine and part of some less fortunate person’s. I don’t want to also pay for insurance company profits and ambulance chasers.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
10:47 am

It is obvious clyde, certain individuals who control this blog will never allow any serious honest public discussion on Co Op healthcare and other alternative ideas for meeting the needs to fund individual healthcare.

Sad but true, either we’ll get status quo medicine or socialized medicine.

Shawny

July 31st, 2009
10:48 am

Understand this. Americans want healthcare to cost less. They want their current plan to be less expensive and cover more. They do not want the govt to run it.

There are people that do not have healthcare as a choice. The refuse to pay for it under the premise that the premiums are more than they would pay for the care itself. I wish I could do this with auto insurance, as I always pay and almost never collect.

Then there are those that do not have insurance. Some are people that do not have a job that provides it and cant afford it (both, not either/or). And then there are the illegals that dont have it but are getting it for free at hospitals at a very expensive rate to the rest of us that pay in.

There are many things that can be done to cut overall costs so that we can get some sort of coverage for the very few that dont have it but wish they could without major overhaul. But that is not what the liberals want. And the reason they want govt to step in is simple. It is another control of a large flow of money. In politics, you can always follow the flow of funds to see where their “interests” lie.
It is the same with tobacco, oil, the elderly, the environment, you name it. Show me the money and I will show you the corruption.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
10:54 am

Matilda…I belive in helping those out who have issues. But where’s the fine line?
I’m no Mr. Moneybags, I live paycheck to paycheck as well. How are these people with pre-existing conditions my FINANCIAL responsibility? My taxes are going to increase to pay for issues that i don’t care about. Yes, i am FAR too fine a man, but when my child develops problems that i can’t afford, the only person who will help me will be myself!! Bad luck happens to everyone, but it’s not everyone’s responsibility to help others. I donate what i can, when i can-that’s the help i provide.
HEALTHCARE IS NOT A RIGHT, IT’S A PRIVILEDGE!! When you need clean drinking water, is it free? No! When you watch TV, is it free? NO! When you go see a doctor is it free?? NO!

None of those items listed above are my responsibility to provide for you!

That doesn’t mean I’m evil, racist, don’t care. I means i can’t afford to care, and damn straight i will provide for me and my family before i provide for anyone else!

Tray

July 31st, 2009
10:56 am

Jake,

There are definately issues and problems with healthcare. The best way to fix it is to analyze every possible scenario of what can be changed, and changed the few problems.

When pushing TOTAL REFORM OF THE SYSTEM through in just a few days without even reading what’s in the bill-That’s just ACTING STUPIDLY. They have done no research on where the real problems lay, and to fix this will take time. The only reason B.O. and Pelosi and her ilk want this passed through fast is exactly that-to pull a fast one on the Americans!

And STILL NO ONE CAN ANSWER WHY IF

Tray

July 31st, 2009
10:58 am

THE PLAN IS SO GOOD, THE POLITICIANS AREN’T A PART OF IT.

(I’ll give you a hint-they want something better than shi**y healthcare!)

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
10:58 am

Would you support funding healthcare subsidies on a sliding scale for individuals via using all sin taxes, a portion of gaming proceeds throughout the country and the establishment of a healthcare lottery Tray as opposed to having to pay additional taxes?

Matilda

July 31st, 2009
11:03 am

Thanks for clarifying that, Tray. I see now. If something’s not YOUR problem, then you don’t care, and no one can make you. Further, you vehemently oppose the solution of any problem that’s not yours. If your child got lukemia right after you lost your job, and you had to give up everything you’ve ever worked for your whole life and sacrifice your home and your other children’s future to pay for it, then you’d expect no less than the same “tough toenais” from your fellow citizens. Got it.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
11:04 am

Almost, but even the ’sin taxes’ and gaming proceeds won’t even begin to pay off what we’ll need!

You want a plan, let me type it up-it’s shorter and probably more effective than you think! Please keep an open mind because the only way to save our future is to save the people who will be in charge of our future…

Steve

July 31st, 2009
11:10 am

Why do Republicans think tax breaks are the answer to any problem? And why does anyone think a tax break will result in everyone who doesn’t have health insurance will suddenly go get it?

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
11:10 am

True Tray but shouldn’t everyone have to pay something for their own well-being and healthcare needs? It would seem if they didn’t it would only promote unhealthy lifestyles and more irresponsibility.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
11:13 am

You want a government plan that will work?

Provide healthcare, AMAZING COSTLY HEALTHCARE, for all children up to 18. After 18, you’re an adult, you’re on your own and responsible for yourself, however…
After all the amazing care you have received, you shouldn’t be a smoke, you shouldn’t be obese…technically, you should be the healthies kid alive. That would free up thousands of dollars in families not having to pay for ‘family plans’, every plan would be the cheaper ‘employee + 1′, no more family plans because all kids are already covered.

Secondly, (almost like in John Q with Denzel) any issues children have that may ‘evolve’ into worse complications would be identified by this GREAT care and resolved immediately. Now they won’t be in and out of the hospital as an adult.

Thirdly, if there is a medical chronic issue that the government can’t fix as a child, when that child turns 18, they can receive a voucher toward payment of medical expenses. This weeds out the phoneys because the government has an 18 year file of these chronic issues, so they know they exist.

Take care of the children, that’s #1. Once you’re of legal age, you’re on your own.

booger

July 31st, 2009
11:22 am

The main thing that bothers me about the whole Health Care debate is the way the debate has been framed.

To begin, Obama and most of those who want a much larger govt. hand in Health Care are fond of saying “Health Care In America is broken”. Now I have seen things which were broken, and this is not one of them. It does have some problems, primarily in accessability and cost, but the quality of care is unsurpassed. They are fond of citing the WHO ranking of US Health care as 37th among industrialized countries, but if you read the report, the only things which make it that low are cost and access which they weigh very heavily. The debate should focus on those things only. By saying the whole system is broken they are able to propose much deeper and wider ranging changes with much more Govt. involvement than is needed.

The second Issue the reformers have latched on to is the insurance industry. They are presented as evil, money grabbing villians who must be contained. I have never worked for this industry, but in my job, and in my personal life, I have used their services and continue to do so. I have never had one problem with the insurance companies I use, and I have had claims. To compare the quick and courteous service from these companies with service from Govt. agencies is eyeopening. The biggest problem with them is that they refuse to insure high risk clients. Once again, fix that problem don’t bring down an entire industry.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
11:24 am

Tray

July 31st, 2009
11:13 am

If that was direct at me, the answer is not only but HECK NO!

I want consumer owned and operated Co Op healthcare plans, where we control the care, the money and the responsibilities with as little government involvement and reliance on business to furnish healthcare as possible. It is the only way I see that healthcare could ever be truly accessible, affordable and portable for every individual (U.S. Citizens and LEGAL ALIENS only) without bankrupting the country.

Take care of the children, that’s #1. Once you’re of legal age, you’re on your own.

Exactly, the world owes no one anything. Too bad government employees didn’t get the message at home or from their teachers in school like most of us did before the gimme, gimme crowd took over.

Got Paranoia?

July 31st, 2009
11:30 am

Here is a fine example of a self-congratulatory oxymoron from Michael H. Smith:

“real experts on journalism to decide – the AJC readers.

ha ha a million laughs. AJC readers are experts on the Real Housewives of Atlanta and American Idol. That’s about it.

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
11:32 am

Michael H. Smith .. You say “Exactly, the world owes no one anything.”

Mr. Smith, is that to say that veterans who have served the country are not owed or deserve medical coverage?

How pathetic!

Tray

July 31st, 2009
11:38 am

THE VETS GET COVERAGE!

And YES THE WORLD OWES YOU NOTHING!! if it did ‘eagle scout’, then where is the world handout booth that i can go to to get what’s owed to me?

Tray

July 31st, 2009
11:39 am

And still no one can answer why if this plan is so good the politicians aren’t a part of it…

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
11:44 am

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
11:32 am

I would say YOU are truly the pathetic one if YOU think veterans didn’t EARN what they receive. The expression the world owes no one anything does not apply to what someone earns and veterans would likely be the first to again step forward and make whatever sacrifice would be needed for well being of this country. Losing three days pay or taking a layoff until they could find work wouldn’t be anything compared to what many of them have already gladly given up.

You are truly one sick thinking person.

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
11:46 am

Tray …. I have no idea what you are talking about.

I know the veterans get medical coverage…I happen to be one!

I was responding to another blogger who stated “The world owes no one anything”

The U.S. does owe it’s veterans…Mr Smith per his statement says that’s not so.

Capice Tray!

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
11:48 am

Tray

July 31st, 2009
11:39 am

That question answers itself. If everyone on the Federal payroll was forced to receive all their healthcare from this Public Option it would never get to the floor of the House or the Senate for a vote.

Tray

July 31st, 2009
11:53 am

OK Eagle, the the US owes the troops. The world owes nothing.

MH Smith-you and i both know it would never get to the floor. How dare those politicians bring themselves down to my level…

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
11:57 am

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
11:46 am

Nice try sicko but Tray didn’t say people that actually EARN something don’t deserve to receive what they’ve already EARNED. Veterans have faced cuts before and most that I know personally never cried like some of these government gimme, gimme workers that feel they are owed full regular pay for government cut-backs in services due to economic conditions that everyone else is forced to accept with a smile.

You are truly sick.

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
11:58 am

Michael H. Smith….You didn’t say that …. Your comment was “owes NO ONE anything” When one says NO ONE … I would expect that’s what they actually mean NO ONE.
Not to hard to understand is it Mr. Smith?

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
11:58 am

Coops are never licensed and very little tangible is known about them. Big pharma and big insurance will spend millions next month and they’ll lose. Price’s plan does nothing to stop insurance companies from dropping insureds when they get sick–and it happened to the tune of 20,000 from the Big 3 insurance companies the last 5 years. Price’s plan does nothing to recover the 400 million bucks United Health was ordered to pay physicians because of crass overbilling after a class action suit was successfuly filed against them. Wooten knows as little about medicine as he knows about the Reconciliatoin law in the Senate we’ll smack the pubtards with.severely limit access to the Public Option by (1) separating it from the rest of the market by placing it inside an “exchange,” and (2) limiting access to the “exchange(s)” in the initial years.

Matilda

July 31st, 2009
11:59 am

Somebody sounds bitter….

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
12:04 pm

Mr. Wooten crowed about the power of the Blue Dogs. The Blue Dogs went down late yesterday and early today as I predicted. A public option passed the Energy and Commerce committee. You believe Wooten and you will believe predictions like President McCain and VP Moron Palin won the White House. Except they didn’t. They got crushed. Wooten talking about what will happen in Congress is like Britney Spears handling patients in an ER.

By a vote of 35 to 24, Democrats defeated a Republican effort to eliminate a section of the bill that would create the public health insurance option.

“Our constituents should have the choice of a public plan,” said Representative Christopher S. Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut. “There is nothing to be scared of here. No one will be forced into the public plan.”

Free Market Woman

July 31st, 2009
12:08 pm

The free market can take care of the military as well as veterans needs if the government will just get out of the way and let the free market work!

Andy Rooney

July 31st, 2009
12:09 pm

Ever notice that in that picture of Wooten that he has a bunch of big teeth and no lower lip?

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
12:11 pm

Here’s how the Republicans will get crushed. They already got crushed soundly in the Energy Committee that shapes what the House will pass. The Tri and Progressives in the house have 53-55 votes to override anything the Blue Dogs are Republitards who try to turn tricks for their johns the insurance companies and big Pharma.ave

In the Senate, Reconciliation will rule the day and that only takes 51 votes and the Dems have them in spades to crush Enzi and the rest of the Blue Dogs there. Kennedy and Byrd will also definitely vote and the dems could have 60 if they needed them.

Ole Wooten talked about how terrible it’d be for his witless mouseketters if 60 happened. It happened baaby, and although some in the “60″ would vote against the dems on certain bills, that’s not haippening on health care, and Kennedy and Byrd will come in to vote.

Even if it did, the Dems simply will go to Reconciliation where by law they only need 51 votes and they have ‘em.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
12:17 pm

eagle scout

July 31st, 2009
11:58 am

Knucklehead, “the world owes no one anything” is an expression that means exactly what I said it means.

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
12:17 pm

The free market has screwed the veterans and their wives for years. Most Iraqi war vets who need significant health care can’t get it in the VA system and they are all fighting for care.

The free market has kicked 20,000 hard working premium paying Americans or their employers out of health insurance from the big 3 in the past 5 years simply because they committed the sin of filing a claim because they got sick.

Thousands of women with infiltrating ductal carcinoma who need mastectomy, chemo, lab, path, imaging bills paid with the surgery costing $35,000 and up depending on location go into bankruptcy.

The status quo has health care costs growing at the rate of 300% since 1980 (remember Altzheimer Reagan who was senile while in office and whose predictions have proved flat wrong) and the economy has grown at one-third that rate.

So much for “free market.” The credit default disaster that sent us to the brink of depression was the Republitard free market baby. It turned to pure sh_t. The pubtards’ deregulation drove the economy into a ditch.

Reconcilliation is a Comin' Baby.

July 31st, 2009
12:22 pm

The free market has been a total failure as the pubtards drove the economy to a ditch with deregulation of credit default swaps.

Michael H. Smith

July 31st, 2009
12:22 pm

If you want socialism then go live in a socialist country, pseudonym a.k.a. brucie.

crazy joe

July 31st, 2009
12:22 pm

Is that nut charles still around?! He hasn’t been beaten by a cop yet?!!! I’m amazed!! Such uppityness from a “supposed” negro, should’ve cost him an azz whippin by now!!!

II'M MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU

July 31st, 2009
12:22 pm

That’s why I do all of my post in bold despite how obnoxious it obviously is!!!!

OR IN ALL CAPS. THAT’S OBNOXIOUS TOO!!!

Free Market Woman

July 31st, 2009
12:25 pm

Sorry Mr. Reconciliation, but it was the government’s interference in the free market that caused your litany of grievances. Get educated to reality and read some Ayn Rand.

They ued to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!

July 31st, 2009
12:25 pm

Wooten STILL ALIVE!!! My god!!! Does he have a pact with the devil or something?? Wooten, are you really a vampire sent to drain the life, (and common sense) out of man? Some of your pro Gop, Pro GOP, PRO GOP, posts are getting (snarc) “dumb and dumber”!!! Oh well, old man, go back to your crypt, the sun came back out, until it’s time for you to drain more brain cells from the minds of “thinking” individuals…….

They ued to call me crazy joe now they call me the batman!

July 31st, 2009
12:32 pm

That free market woman is a nut job!!! Speaking of nuts, hey lady, ate any good not regulated peanut butter sandwiches lately? I bet that free market infected peanut butter tastes reallllll good huh? This Barfs for you!!!!

Matilda

July 31st, 2009
12:38 pm

“Get educated to reality and read some Ayn Rand.”

HAHAHAHA! HAHA! HAHAHAHA! *Stop, please!* HAHAHAHAHA!

crazy joe

July 31st, 2009
12:38 pm

Tray, no worries. When you get picked up for tax fraud, credit fraud, sleeping with your daughters, child porno, or just for being stupid; you WILL get raped. Ever watched that Richard Speck video of him in prison? Did you see what he ended up with? THAT will be you your first week in the can — you’ll be traded for some cigarettes, (1 pack), and some dental floss. Start practicing your blowing skills now!!!

WBK

July 31st, 2009
12:39 pm

When will it stop? Liberals really hate freedom! They are obsessed telling people how to live.

I do not want to eat healthy! I like drinking beer! I like hunting, fishing, and golfing! I like greasy burgers and fries! And I do not want to go to college to become brainwashed by the Professor Gates.

Let me live free! I will not bother you SO you do not bother me. If I get sick I will pay the bill or die. But leave me alone! I want to live free. Can you liberals understand that?