Liberal Dems best take this health-care deal

Barring a sudden change of fortunes — either the taxpayers’ good fortunes or those of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid — liberal Democrats won’t be able to push through the radical remake of the nation’s health care system as they’d proposed.

Centrist Democrats, the so-called Blue Dogs who represent states and districts where the parties are still competitive, balked. In the Senate, three Democrats and three Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee are working a bill that would drop the government “insurance” option in favor of a “nonprofit cooperative” that would sell insurance.  Gone, too, is a provision that invited large companies to dump medical costs onto taxpayers, though high-dollar benefits may be taxed at 35 percent and companies will be taxed to ”reimburse the government” for the subsidies that would go to those whose income is less than 300 percent of poverty.

Insurance companies would be barred from denying coverage to any applicant and they could not charge higher premiums for those with pre-existing medical conditions.

A commission, something akin the the base-closing commission used to eliminate excess military facilities, would be created to curtail future Medicare costs.

The radicals within the Democratic Party are incensed that the Blue Dogs have denied them an opportunity to overreach.  Frankly, what the six Democrats and Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee are proposing is considerably far-reaching.  It creates a huge new welfare entitlement and, for the most part, hides the cost.  Prohibiting insurance companies from denying coverage or charging higher premiums for pre-existing conditions means that those higher costs are spread among other policy-holders.  The subsidies for those whose income is less than 300 percent of poverty,  $66, 150 for a family of  four,  will essentially establish a welfare base that reaches into the middle class. Everybody will be required to have insurance.

The proposal coming out of the Senate Finance Committee is the best chance liberal Dems have of getting ObamaCare this year.  When members of Congress go home and hear from constitutents who are now getting the word on the full impact of what the Pelosi Democrats are doing, support will soften even further.

Democrats don’t need any Republicans to pass the proposed monstrosity.  But I promise you that they don’t want their party’s legacy to be a complete federal takeover of health care in America.

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Chris

July 28th, 2009
8:05 am

There is no such thing as Blue Dog Democrats. They are all Marxists! Deal with it!

booger

July 28th, 2009
8:34 am

This is a start. I would still like to know a realistic cost estimate, and how far the govt. will go in controlling procedures. Problem is in the cost increase for all who currently have insurance to pay for pre
existing conditions. I think a lot of folks with pre existing conditions may find it hard to find a job. This also will still be a job killer. Since only small companies with a payroll smaller than $250,000 will be exempt from mandatory employee insurance, this will be a huge cost for many employers.

THE MAYOR

July 28th, 2009
8:42 am

So has the city now reached a breaking point?

Mayor Franklin and Borders, in a joint statement Monday, said of the Forrest murder, “This intolerable criminal behavior is yet another tragic reminder to all of us at City Hall that we must work together to find the resources to support APD and community as it works to restore law and order to our streets. Making Atlanta safe must be our top priority.”

Meanwhile, Atlanta Police Chief Richard Pennington maintains a low profile, though his comments in a January AJC interview still resonate. When it comes to crime, the chief said, “you have to respond to perception. Because I think perception becomes reality.”

Churchill's MOM

July 28th, 2009
8:45 am

With all the good things happening to our next President Palin why can’t you write about her? My husband, the doctor says he would rather work for the government than the insurance companies.

Tray

July 28th, 2009
8:57 am

Obamacare will fail. Churchill’s Mom, it’s quite apparent your husband is a)a smart man (a doctor), and b)never been employed by the government. he may want to rethink who he’d rather work for. Government will limit his salary, probably make him sign some b.s. labor contracts, the great healthcare you get now will be all but lost…I mean, Come On People-how the hell can you let government take control?? Let’s review some government run entities and how well they operate:
Medicare-SUCKS and the program is a pain for everyone in it, plus it’s running out of money.
Social Security-Yeah, like that will be there when most of us hit retirement age
Education-Yeah, we’re one of the richest countries in the world with some of the dumbest kids alive-government education at it’s best!
Police/Fire-hmmm-when ATL ran out of money what did they start cutting?? POLICE AND FIRE!?!?! Yeah, they really care about their citizens when they refuse to protect them.

One more important question to ask-If this ‘government healthcare’ plan is so darn good, then why aren’t the politicians a part of it?? No one in Congress or the White House will be on this plan-i wonder why??

(BECAUSE IT SUCKS)

Edwin

July 28th, 2009
8:57 am

The American people did not elect 60 Democratic Senators because we wanted something between the two parties, we did it as a repudiation of Republican ideology. The only thing that you acomplish by compromising with Republicans on the public option that Americans overwelmingly favor is to prove that you are slaves to the same corporate interests. In that case elections become a question of which slaves you prefer. The people who gave you all this power don’t want slaves, so they won’t support you and you will loose the power to reform.

Democrats need to realize that the country is now solidly Democratic. The ones who have failed to make the minshift are those who have everything to loose from this or the ones who are so set in their ways that they have missed all the signs of it. Republican public polling is in the tank because everyone has lived eight years of proof of their mindless worship of the golden calf. You must distinguish your brand from that. Once you do, my generation will buy back this ddemocracy as we become more and more wealthy.

Davo

July 28th, 2009
9:05 am

Universal Healthcare = State funded abortions

How well do you think that will go over in the red states? I’m sure all the ‘birthers’ will happily fork out their kids college tuition so they can pay for wefare moms’ twinkies and bypass surgery.

Healthcare is a commedity, not a right.

HSR0601

July 28th, 2009
9:11 am

A pay for outcome / value payment system, key to the deficit-neutral, might be capable of bringing all groups together.

Supporters of the agreement say it could save the Medicare System more than $100 billion a year and ‘improve’ care, that means more than $1trillian over a decade, and virtually needs no other resources including tax on the wealthiest. (Please visit http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=820455&catid=391 for detailed infos).

As much as 30 percent of all health-care spending in the U.S. -some $700 billion a year- may be wasted on tests and treatments that do not improve the health of the recipients,” Thus the remaining $239 billions over a decade do not matter.
Dr. Armadio at Mayo clinic says, “If we got rid of that stuff, we save a third of all that we spend and that is 2.5 trillion dollars on health care. A third of that and that is 700 billion dollars a year. That covers a lot of uninsured people.”

1. There is no need for infighting and class conflict.

2. It can satisfy revenue-neutral raised by the Republicans.

3. It is able to resolve the regional disparity.

4. It may bring the private insurers to competition, innovation.

5. The focus on ‘outcome’ over volume can make the practitioners more accurate and creative based on IT SYSTEM and evidence, while eliminating the additional, unnecessary care that is increasing patients’ pains, frustrations, and possible side-effects.

6. The desperate people will get back American dream.

THANK YOU !

Get Real

July 28th, 2009
9:12 am

First off, use one font. Second, it appears that you’re in favor of insurance companies denying coverage to individuals and charging them higher rates based on what time of day it is, and the positioning of the moon. Everything that you claim is so ‘radical’ about government run health care is already happening in the private sector. Private bureaucrats at insurance headquarters decide what plan of treatment individuals receive. Tort reform gives preference to doctors over patients they’ve injured or killed. Studies conducted by the National Practitioners Data Bank (http://www.citizen.org/documents/NPDB%20Report_Final.pdf) found that medical malpractice claims have fallen over the years, even though chickenhawk republicans such as yourself have claimed that ‘frivolous lawsuits’ are whats the problem with health care.

So why believe you now when you say the ‘radical’ democrats have the audacity to try and pass a health care plan that will cover most Americans. As if there is a problem with that. The cost to treat uninsured and underinsured patients are already being passed on to individuals through higher premiums. But you’d rather maintain the status quo. Why? It only serves the purpose of the insurance companies… Is that why you want to maintain the poor level of service with up to 98,000 patients killed per year due to medical errors? Even the malpractice premiums doctors pay are paid for by patients through higher costs, but you have no problem with that. Only who will receive those higher costs. Retire man, you’re out of your league now.

Do the Math

July 28th, 2009
9:14 am

Insurance companies, the pharmaceuticals and inefficient medical care will bankrupt the United States if something is not done to change the course we’re on.

Republicans want Obama and this administration to fail for bragging rights, and if it fails so does this country. It is happening to families, cities, and soon states.

Bankrupcy knows no political party.

Wake up people!

Get Real

July 28th, 2009
9:22 am

@ HSR060- Part of the reason for some many tests that aren’t necessary is due to the defensive treatment that doctors provide. They are afraid of malpractice suits and resort to the undertreatment or overtreatment (which results in unnecessary tests and procedures) to protect themselves. Take a look at the link I provided. It debunks most of the sky is falling mantra from Wooten and his ilk.

Aquagirl

July 28th, 2009
9:22 am

The whole *point* of insurance is to spread the risk among everyone. When you have the State paying for those denied/kicked off insurance plans, what’s the point, except to allow higher profits for insurance? You’re paying for those people anyhow through taxes. Like it or not, we don’t let people die in the street because they can’t pay. Those costs must be absorbed somehow.

If insurance companies can’t deny coverage maybe they’ll shift a little of their spending to preventative care.

Tray

July 28th, 2009
9:30 am

i don’t want Obama and his administration to fail for ‘bragging rights’. I want them to fail because if they don’t fail, AMERICA WILL FAIL. People-especially you democrats, listem up. Healthcare is NOT A RIGHT. Is water a right?? NO-you have a water bill you have to pay to get drinkable water! Same thing with energy, same thing with healthcare…

Let’s look at what Obama wants to do-give coverage to 47 million americans. Ok, let’s look at that 47 million-9.1 million make over 75,000 a year and choose not to pay for health care -so toss them out because they CAN afford it, they just choose not to.
Next-9.1 million illegal immigrants-uhhh, DUH, ILLEGALS! so we just took 18 million out of 47, which leaves…29 million. Now if OBAMA would get his head out of his arse and fix the economy first, unemployment would drop from this catastrophic level back down to 5%, which would give at least another estimated 8 million people benefits and thus-healthcare.

So now we’re down to 21 million w/o insurance. Current population records show there are about 303 million people in the US, and Obamacare will screw with all those people’s lives to provide benfits to some 20 million. Why is the HUGE majority going to screw up everything for some minority of people…? I’ll tell you why, and HERE IS WHY OBAMACARE IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE DEMS-(you paying attention)

THAT 20 MILLION MINORITY?? those are the lazy, uneducated blacks/hispanics/whites that don’t care about anyone but themselves-AND OBAMA NEEDS THEIR VOTES FOR NEXT ELECTION (along with all the illegals). This is vote buying at it’s best!

whatever

July 28th, 2009
9:31 am

aquagirl, your assumption that insurance is to spread the risk around to everyone is incomplete. the proposed legislation would not spread the risk around, as a significant number of people supported by the plan have no risk to spread. in a typical insurance plan, everyone pays a premium, everyone feels a little pain. in this plan, there is nothing like that.

all those who support the plan, i want your honest opinion. lets have a hypothetical. lets say that you, a hard working person formed an insurance agreement with a person that refuses to work, eats all the time, is morbidly obese, smokes 2 packs of cigarettes a day, have 12 kids, uses crack, buys expensive clothes and cell phones with their welfare checks, etc. Now, imagine that you are the only one that has to pay any premium, yet you both get the same level of care.

Lets count on one finger how long you think that insurance company will be profitable or sustainable.

you see, Congress is looking at the solution from a 20k foot level view and is not getting into the nitty gritty of its effects upon the american population.

If you ever want to educate yourself, read Atlass Shrugged.

whatever

July 28th, 2009
9:36 am

and for anyone that is arguing that health care costs are out of control, answer me this one question: what should they be? everyone is assuming that healthcare system is broken because that is what they have been told, so they believe it. but, what exactly is broken? is it the costs? okay then, what should the costs be? what is affordable? does that mean that the average american citizen should not buy that new HDTV or go out to eat for lunch every day, or have an expensive cell phone plan, or cable TV? what is more important? everyone complains about costs, yet they are too lazy to tighten the belts themselves. they want government money, someone elses money to fix the problem. if someone is on a tight budget, truly lives within their means, and cannot afford healthcare coverage, fine then, i have no problem with that. what i do have a problem with is people that whine and groan about the outrageous health care costs, then get into their new car, talk on their new cell phone, eat out, then head home to watch cable tv on their new HDTV in their big house.

whatever

July 28th, 2009
9:40 am

tray, your characterization of the 20M is obscene and offensive. a large portion of those 20M are honest people that either dont get paid enough to afford insurance or are out of a job. get off your high horse.

Peadawg

July 28th, 2009
9:45 am

“Healthcare is a commedity, not a right.”

Amen! I just wish other people understood that!

Aquagirl

July 28th, 2009
9:51 am

@ whatever, the only people who don’t have any health risks are those who are dead. I think they are already excluded from the plan, though with the way Washington works, I’m not completely sure.
If you want someone to blame for higher health costs—with more than half the population overweight, there are plenty of fat fingers to point. (Or count on.)

And it’s “Atlas Shrugged.” BTW I may be a libertarian but I’m not slogging through 1300 + pages of mediocre fiction to get the idea. “Anthem” does the job much better, IMHO.

DeKalb Conservative

July 28th, 2009
9:52 am

Scary part, the earmarks haven’t even been added yet!

Dunwoody Mike

July 28th, 2009
9:53 am

And so we get the worst of both worlds…costs will continue to skyrocket, while quality of care will decline. The rich continue to get rich on the backs of the working class. It would be really nice if the government elected by the people actually cared about them…or at least pretended to care.

Mid-South Philosopher

July 28th, 2009
9:56 am

OK, my conservative friends, Jim is right. Barring some sort of catastrophic event, I don’t think the move to socialized medicine will work this round. That being said, you had better get off your collective gluteus maximus and find a way to make health care more affordable. Another 10 years like the last, and you will not even have a seat at the table!

deegee

July 28th, 2009
9:57 am

Last night I watched the full hour broadcast on CNBC, “Meeting of the Minds.” It was a roundtable discussion of healthcare reform hosted by Maria Bartiromo. Representatives of all the stakeholders participated in the discussion. The most impressive participant was Dr. Steven Nissen, Chairman of the Department of Cardiovascular Medicine at the Cleveland Clinic. He made the point that healthcare reform should emphasize accountability and results. In other words; fewer, more appropriate procedures rather than lots of expensive, unnecessary procedures. Michael Milken; Chairman, The Milken Institute
and Chairman, FasterCures, was also impressive in the way he emphasized the importance of personal responsibility on the part of the consumer of health care. He emphasized the direct correlation between skyrocketing health care costs and the rise in the rate of obesity. The biggest toolbox was (R) Bill Frist, U.S. Senator, Professor of Business and Medicine, Vanderbilt University. He added nothing but political talking points.

Da Guy

July 28th, 2009
10:00 am

@ Peadawg, if health care is a commodity, then make it illegal for insurance companies to charge me for providing care to someone thats unisured. Either don’t provide care at all, or eat the loss. Can’t call it a commodity and I’m paying for others.

Daedalus

July 28th, 2009
10:00 am

Remember when Georgia passed laws making it almost impossible to bring a medical malpractice suit?

We were told it would result in significant reductions in malpractice premiums that would be passed on to consumers.

But that never happened. The end result is that if someone is a victim of medical malpractice that’s just too bad (or is is it God’s Will?).

Just like Governor’s Curly’s initiative to privatize AGL’s natural gas monopoly resulted in an increase in natural gas costs to consumers and put more profits to corporations, med-mal reform only helps the profits of insurance companies.

That’s what I love about the Republicans and Dedmocrats in Georgia — they continually claim their going to help ordinary Georgians while the real agenda is to help corporations improve profits so they can make more campaign contributions.

The real whopper was last years bill to allow Georgia Power to bill us for a nuke plant it has yet to build and the Georgia Legislature and Gov Curly put the entire risk of loss for that turkey on Georgia consumers — and not Georgia Power or its shareholders.

If the legislature wants to spend its time on corporate giveaways so they can get re-elected, then lets at least have the honesty of not trying to cloak them with BS about helping consumers.

Peadawg

July 28th, 2009
10:10 am

Da Guy, I take it you’re a doctor? Have fun having the gov’t control you and telling you how to run your practice.

Tray

July 28th, 2009
10:11 am

To Whatever:

Whatever, it was spot on and you darn well know it!

whatever

July 28th, 2009
10:11 am

aquagirl: i wish you would read the post before commenting. believe it or not, there is more than just health risks here. what i meant was monetary risk.

also, thanks for the correction on atlas. here is your grammar patrol badge, since it means so much to you.

whatever

July 28th, 2009
10:13 am

tray, no it was not. sorry. my sister, a college educated person is one of those 20M. yes, there are some losers in their, but she is a great american and a hard worker. circumstances beyond her control put her in the 20M. she is working hard to get out, though, which makes her even awesomer.

aquagirl: yes, i know the word awesomer is a violation of the grammar patrol, so dont bother correcting me.

Tray

July 28th, 2009
10:15 am

Wow, you named 1 out of 20 million, i know 5 unemployed people who pick up their free checks and go buy pot…they know they can live off the government for the next 9 months worry free.

I GAURANTEE YOU, there are more people like the ones i know in that 20 million group than people like your sister…to argue that shows how irrational and out of touch with reality you are.

Jackie

July 28th, 2009
10:17 am

@Aquagirl,

It seems that many who oppose universal health care do not understand the basis of insurance.

If those that complain the loudest would take the time to understand the vocabulary of the insurance industry, they would have a clearer understanding of what insurance is and why those premiums are astronomical.

Insurance is risk-aversion, i.e., paying someone for taking the financial risk for contractual obligations of goods and services being rendered. A simplistic example would be to have a risk-pool of 100 people who are fully covered and 100 who are not covered. The total health care costs are $1,000 for all 100 of those citizens. This gives a mean cost of $10 per citizen.

We are aware that very few of us meet the median of most average, but, we must be covered to meet or exceed that average.

Now, if only 1 citizen were to use that $1,000, should that person be forced to pay a premium to cover those cost of goods and services plus the profit required by the insurance companies?

Universal health care is based upon shared risk, therefore, each citizen pays $10 to cover those medical cost along with other monies required to meet the profit margins of insurance companies. This “socialized” concept lowers the cost of health care premiums and allows the insurance companies those profit margins.

JF McNamara

July 28th, 2009
10:17 am

I wish they would just go ahead and push it through. My company sponsored healthcare has continually diminished in service and increased in price so that a corporation can make a profit from a monopoly. What am I going to do, go without insurance on myself and family and risk my entire financial existance or worse yet, die or have a family member die due to lack of insurance?

We’re already paying for the uninsured through our current system. We just do it with higher insurance premiums and taxes. Why does that aspirin at the hospital cost $50? It’s because they have to cover the 15 people who got aspirin that didn’t have insurance and cover the profit margin. It’s costing you more now than ever, but it’s just a hidden cost.

To boot, our current system is essentially endangering the uninsured. They can’t go to the Doctor for preventive care. How many deaths by heart attacks could’ve been prevented if they’d seen the doctor earlier? How many children die because the mother doesn’t do prenatal? Couldn’t we fix that? I figured the right wingers would love this since fetus is a human with rights. Isn’t not having healthcare endangering that precious unborn fetus?

We keep making decisions based on some mythological American bravado where you have to be a mega achiever to get everything and its costing us more and more every day. Comically, it’s a lot of those in the middle class who will likely benefit from healthcare reform who defend the mythology the greatest and refuse change.

Jake

July 28th, 2009
10:18 am

Eliminating waste won’t cover the cost, that is a huge myth and who can name a government run anything that’s good at eliminating waste? The problem is that health care capabilities have exceeded their affordability. The only solution to that is denial of benefits. The “commission to curtail future Medicare costs” is the important part of the program and the solution. Does an otherwise healthy 80 year old get a pacemaker or a transplant? No, because that’s an inefficient way of distributing scarce resources.

Neutron

July 28th, 2009
10:22 am

My girlfriend passed away in December from a long term illness, and witnessing what she went through dealing with the business side of health care made me realize just how screwed up our system truly is.

The first, and most obvious fact that the anti-reform crowd ignore, is that those suffering from a long-term serious illness DON’T WORK ANYMORE! My girlfriend had insurance through her job with IBM for many years, but for the last couple of years she was too sick to work, and naturally was no longer covered by IBM. She maintained her insurance through COBRA, but it was considerably more expensive. So here’s a newsflash for you: if you suffer from a long term illness and become too sick to work, your employer will drop your insurance and yur only alternative is MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE.

A renewal form that my girlfriend sent to the COBRA office got lost in the mail, and she didn’t find out that they didn’t receive it until after the deadline had passed. Someone there bent the rules for her and eventually renewed her policy, but for a couple of weeks she thought that she had lost her coverage, and the added stress made her medical condition get much worse.

Obamas plan to subsidize the health insurance industry, so that rates would be more affordable and that they would accept people with pre-existing conditions, is basically the same thing that Dwight Eisenhower tried to do over 50 years ago. Eisenhower said that his chief opponents on this issue were “”just plain stupid…a little group of reactionary men dead set against any change” Funny how history repeats itself…if Eisenhower were around today, no doubt the right-wingers would brand him as a Marxist too.

deegee

July 28th, 2009
10:22 am

Tray, we all agree that 90% of the population has health insurance and they are not terribly unhappy with the deal they are getting. The people that are paying for it are complaining. That would be your employer, doctors, and hospitals. The insurance companies have them by the short and fuzzies.

The overwhelming majority of insured people have no idea what their out of pocket expenses were for health care last year. Nor do they know what their employer spent on their health care. They don’t have any idea what the doctor charged, what the insurance company paid or how long it took the doctor to get the reimbursement. If you have one car wreck you know exactly what it cost, how long it took to get paid and what the consequences will be to your premium.

whatever

July 28th, 2009
10:25 am

jackie,

your analysis is flawed. you keep implying that everyone will pay into the system, and that is simply not the case. even the white house has admitted that 10s of millions of those covered would be unable to pay.

try again my friend.

Jake

July 28th, 2009
10:25 am

Dunwoody Mike – You’re right on. The people determining this for all of us won’t have the resulting poor care. They don’t care about lousy public schools because their children go to the best private schools. They don’t care about schools or hospitals overrun with illegals because they live in gated communities and don’t go to those schools or hospitals. Decency and fairness in this country have died along with honesty. They’ve been supplanted by the limitless greed of the rich and powerful.

ornery

July 28th, 2009
10:26 am

While there seems to be a lot of debate on healthcare and the uproar of a National Healthcare plan, I’ve not heard any real alternative out there, either from Republicans or Demcrats alike.. Just not anything viable.

Having said that, I have my own plan that I’ve evolved over the years..

1. It puts health care responsibility squarely on the consumer. It removes businesses and government from the healthcare industry.

2. It’s based on the automobile insurance model, your required to have coverage for you and your family. If there are serious genetic or by no fault of their own critical

illnesses, users over 70 years old they are put in a shared risk pool among the top 10 insurance providers, meaning they will have quality health insurance affordably with

the risk shared by all.

3. Those that abuse their bodies (smoking, drinking, drugs) will be put into a high risk low reward pool of insurance that they will pay a higher rate of insurance.

4. All persons will be required to have health insurance, it is not a right it is a responsibility.

5. Reduce the process and costs where possible for new medicines on the market.

6. Take out medicare/medicaid completely. To pay the run up costs, Feds will pay a shrinking model to insurance companies using current medicare tax money to help wean the users off.

7. Transplants reconstruction surgery and other major medical procedures will stop at age 60. Unless user pays out of pocket for those procedures.

8. Initiate a insurance ombudsman (ala Insurance Commissioner) that will monitor the insurance companies to ensure affordability (set rates) ensure quality of care and ensure the pipes are clean (pharmacy payments, hospital bills, Emergency Medical).

9. Push elder care to relatives and church groups as it was in the past. Ensure a care plan for each person.

10. Reward those that maintain good health (low hospital visits, work out) carrot and stick approach.

Allow easy seamless transfer of health insurance based on price, force carriers to use competition on quality and price to lure customers.

This will take an effort on all parties, to look at the pricing structure and service. I believe this can be done. I also support common groups for price support (credit union members). For those that have inherent risk of cost (firefighters, law enforcement) There can be a extra

band of protection provided by the employer for those risks (burns, bullets) But, it would not provide complete care, just catastrophic care on the job.

This is not a perfect plan, but we must move beyond government subsidies to reduce the inherent increase of cost of health care.

Aquagirl

July 28th, 2009
10:27 am

@ whatev-ah: I don’t usually go all grammar/ spelling patrol on someone who is otherwise coherent. You are not. Did you mean to say that the uninsured have no money to *contribute* to healthcare insurance or costs? That’s a bit different than “risk.”

And yes, a complete lack of effort to capitalize, spell correctly, etc. does make you look like a dummy. It often indicates you’re either too lazy to put in the effort, or are more concerned with publishing stream of consciousness brilliance on a complex subject such as healthcare.

If you’re okay with txtspk, good 4 u. I won’t bother you with such unreachable standards again.

Cody

July 28th, 2009
10:28 am

Im hoping that this healthcare bill doesn’t pass. Too much Gov is not good.

Tray

July 28th, 2009
10:30 am

Just like EVERY OTHER OBAMA PLAN-we’re going to penalize the rich for their hard work, and maybe, just maybe, after penalizing them so much, they will leave. Then we’ll just have a country of Morons-the kind of country Obama CAN run!

Facts:
How many of the uninsured are illegal aliens. Answer … about 25% of them. They came here illegally, they stay here illegally, they work here illegally … and we’re supposed to be upset that they can’t afford health insurance? If they get hurt patch them up and send them home.
How many of the uninsured are young and just not buying health insurance because they think they’re pretty much bulletproof right now? I’ve seen estimates as high as 20 million .. almost one-half of the uninsured. Hey, they made their choice … let them suffer the consequences. Why do I have to sacrifice my health care freedom because some nimrods decide it is more important to pay for that new BMW and the flat screen TV than it is to take care of their health needs.

BW

July 28th, 2009
10:30 am

If the CBO score comes back positive and the Republicans still don’t support…then they truly risk marginalizing themselves even further…people will start to see the Democratic party, for good or worse, as the party that actually makes an effort to solve the country’s problems

Tray

July 28th, 2009
10:30 am

Remember .. there are solutions out there. The only solution acceptable to the Democrats is one that makes government more powerful

Da Guy

July 28th, 2009
10:31 am

Wooten held back my flawless response to peadawg. I’m not a doctor, but a health care administrator. Insurance companies tell patients now what kind of services they can receive, or what services they (insurance companies) are willing to pay for. Ever seen John Q. That happens more often than you think. Try reading your insurance policy with magnifying glasses. You’re only ‘covered’ when the insurance company agrees to pay for your medical procedure. Prior to that, they’re investigating ways to determine how not to pay for that surgery. Look for yourself. Don’t take my word for it.

whatever

July 28th, 2009
10:31 am

JF – wow, just like aquagirl and jackie, you guys are pulling out all of the myths to try to justify this plan. of the children that do not have health insurance, over 75% would qualify for scrips or other government mandated health insurance plans, yet for some reason, their parents dont bother to apply. also, those plans extend to prenatal visits by pregnant women.

also, unless you have been living in a cave somewhere, all non-partisan projected estimates say that the government option will end up costing the middle class more than what they pay now. did you hear that? is that coming through? so instead of paying an insurance company (that you can sue) money each month, you in taxes are going to be paying more to the government for lower quality of care.

stop listening to the stupid politicians and follow the money. it just quite simply does not work out. why do you think they are trying to hike taxes on the rich? because the numbers dont add up. it will end up being more costly to those that cannot afford increased costs (e.g. the middle class because the poor dont pay anything to begin with). even washington knows that.

Da Guy

July 28th, 2009
10:33 am

Please provide a link to where you got that info about illegals Tray.

whatever

July 28th, 2009
10:33 am

thanks aquagirl for saying that you wont bother me with your useless corrections. one grammar patrol high horse loser down, hundreds more to go.

Tray

July 28th, 2009
10:34 am

@deegee-So, it lokos like the problem is poor education-people don’t know what they pay, what their employer pays…Maybe if the government had an education system worthwhile, people would actually know to ask these questions. And who runs the education system (that doesn’t work)?? GOVERNMENT!

deegee

July 28th, 2009
10:45 am

Tray, are you upset because BO hasn’t shown you his long form birth certificate?

Seeker

July 28th, 2009
10:45 am

I wonder if it could be considered unconstitutional to mandate or require every US citizen have health insurance.

billy bob from cobb

July 28th, 2009
10:46 am

How are you going to feel when Nancy and her gang is the one deciding if your 62 year old father is worthy of the life saving procedure. Think about how hard it will be watching your loved ones dieing, because the cost of saving them is too high.