Will Blue Dogs contain health care tab?

Nine months into the new fiscal year and five months into the presidency of Barack Obama, the  federal deficit has hit $1 trillion for the first time in history.  Take note, children, and stop goofing off in school, demanding feel-good, esteem-raising “A’s” for “C-minus” work.  You’ve a heavy debt burden to finance over the course of your working lives, with a far heavier debt burden yet to come.

Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives add to that burden with a proposal expected today for national health care legislation.  While politicians play games with cost and with financing schemes that are alleged to include $155 billion in future savings from payments to hospitals, the truth is that whatever they come up with will exceed another trillion dollars over a decade.   President Obama says those costs won’t be borne by the middle class.  The Nancy Pelosi Democrats propose to get financing from “the rich.”   Fat chance. “The rich” can avoid taxes, in part by moving cash to government-favored enterprises.  It’s the wage-earner and the owners of mom-and-pop businesses that get socked.

Democrats have full ownership of national government, so they’re prefectly free to be as irresponsible as they choose.  This is a key test, however, for a group of about 40 Democrats like U.S. Rep. Jim Marshall of Macon and to a lesser extent U.S. Rep. John Barrow of Savannah.  Marshall represents a Middle Georgia district that’s competitive.  If he gets too deep into Pelosi politics, he’s gone.  About three dozen or more of his colleagues are in the same boat.

Ordinarily, because Democrats own Congress, leadership and the so-called “Blue Dog Democrats” play a game.  When Pelosi needs them, they’re there.  When she has votes to spare, they walk, voting with the opposition.  A trillion-dollar entitlement built on funny-money and pretend-savings has to be too much for the Blue Dogs to stomach.

Right now, they’re all that stands between the ambitions of this generation of liberal politicians and the quality-of-life stealing debt burden being shifted to our children and grand-children.  So, young esteem-seekers, when school officials offer to erase incorrect answers on CRCT tests of subject competence and replace them with right answers, beg them not to.  You actually need to know the classroom stuff to get a good job (in government or health care, the ones that will be available) to help finance the enormous debt burden coming your way.

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jconservative

July 14th, 2009
7:55 am

Jim – I agree but you are 28 years to late. You should have hollered in 1981 when Reagan submitted the first of his deficit building bidgets to Congress. I hollered as loud as I could but I was all alone.

You and others failed to see that Reagan talked conservative but governed as a liberal. To date, Reagan left the highest debt after his administration until that other “conservative” George W came along.

As I said you are way to late.

Shameless

July 14th, 2009
8:12 am

The leaders of the Senate Armed Services Committee don’t have the votes to strip from the defense authorization bill $1.75 billion for seven F-22 Raptor fighter jets, but they’re hoping the power of the presidency will sway some colleagues.

President Barack Obama took another swipe at the advanced fighter jet, reiterating his threat to veto any bill containing F-22 funds, in letters to committee Chairman Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and ranking Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona on Monday.

“Would the president veto the bill?” asked Levin. “That speculation is no longer out there.” Those who wind up supporting more F-22s will now jeopardize funding for the troops, Levin added.

And McCain said he’d “strongly recommend” that the president veto the bill if F-22 funding was included. A vote on the amendment to remove money for more F-22s could come as early as Tuesday.

Debate about the Raptor fifth-generation fighter jet won’t be limited to the Senate; the fiscal year 2010 defense appropriations bill is scheduled for a Thursday markup in the House

Copyleft

July 14th, 2009
8:41 am

Sorry, Mr. Wooten, but to quote the last admininstration, “Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter.”

As a staunch right-wing drone, you are obligated to IGNORE all deficits and simply complain whenever we ramp up spending on fellow Americans rather than overseas adventures. Them’s the rules!

jt

July 14th, 2009
8:57 am

Will Blue Dogs contain health care tab?

the answer is no because there are just as many yellow-bellied republicans that will vote for it.

Whatever the R & D party passes, middle-class Americans will see their medical services diminish and their medical expenses increase.

Dusty

July 14th, 2009
9:02 am

Jim Wooten, your strong voice in the midst of this financial chaos is good to read.

I see the “usuals” here are drifting back to bring up Reagan who has been dead these many years. So who cares about Reagan in current finances. We are NOW going into trillions and more in debt which will not be repaid in our lifetime. What a burden! How foolish! And Democrats want to add more.

Nobody is going to be healthy without a job or a home. Crushing debt will ruin the prospects of the young people of America. The blame will not be on Reagan. It will be “credited” to our one and only at present, President Obama, the seemingly mindless spendthrift.and his subservient Congress.

jokerman

July 14th, 2009
9:09 am

geez Dusty….”I see the “usuals” here are drifting back to bring up Reagan who has been dead these many years.”

Dead these many years? He died 4 years ago….!!!

Redneck Convert

July 14th, 2009
9:11 am

Well, we don’t need another guvmint boondoggle like this health care bill. I agree we got a problem with health care. But it’s nothing that paying for a couple aspirin for every man, woman and child in America won’t handle. I figure we can do that for about $100,000. If we get the aspirin at Sam’s Club.

Besides, I don’t want to wait in a long line when I go see a Dr. If everybody’s got health insurance every Tom, Dick and Harry will be showing up at a Dr. I went out and worked to get my health insurance. People that don’t have it can do the same.

We can do something about the high cost of health care right now. We’re paying more money because people that don’t have health insurance are showing up at hospitles and getting treated for free. The hospitles are just pushing the cost onto those of us that have health insurance. I say make the people getting the free care do something to earn it. It won’t hurt none to make a person on a hospitle gurney in a emergency room get up and sweep the floors or something to help repay the hospitle. This ain’t a Commie country.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Leastwise I know the good Conservatives on this blog will agree with me. Have a good day everybody.

Citizen of the World

July 14th, 2009
9:12 am

There are numerous ways to pay for health care reform, and it doesn’t need to be this or that, but this and that. The costs can be spread around.

And as a taxpayer, I am perfectly willing to do my share and pay premiums and co-pays for any government plan that’s made available.

I don’t know if Atlanta conservatives are aware of the groundswell of support that’s growing across the country among liberals and conservative citizens alike for significant health care reform, with a universal single payer system being the preferred choice. Of course, that’s not even on the table because our elected leaders are in the pockets of the medical industrial/insurance syndicate.

But the push for single payer illustrates that people are fed up with for-profit insurance companies getting rich off the backs of sick people.

The insurance companies add absolutely nothing to health “care.” All they do is syphon money — and a lot of it — off the top that could be spent to care for people.

Anyone who has a group plan may not know how lucky they are, and how vulnerable they are if they should lose that plan.

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 14th, 2009
9:47 am

Goldman Sachs on Tuesday said it earned $3.44 billion in the second
quarter, a much higher-than-expected figure that underscores how
quickly the Wall Street firm has bounced back from last fall’s
financial crisis and started to churn out huge profits again.

The company, led by Lloyd C. Blankfein, reported net revenue of $13.76
billion in the latest quarter, as its trading and principal investments
business roared into high gear.

“While markets remain fragile and we recognize the challenges the
broader economy faces, our second quarter results reflected the
combination of improving financial market conditions and a deep and
diverse client franchise,” Mr. Blankfein, Goldman’s chairman and chief
executive, said in a statement announcing the results.

“Our role as an intermediary focused on making markets for buyers and
sellers helped drive our performance,” he said.

Also on Tuesday, The Financial Times reported that Goldman executives
have sold almost $700 million worth of the firm’s stock since Lehman
Brothers collapsed last year.

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 14th, 2009
9:48 am

With business publications suffering from scarce advertising,
McGraw-Hill has hired Evercore Partners to sell BusinessWeek, The New
York Times reported, but analysts questioned how much interest there
would be.

Peadawg

July 14th, 2009
9:49 am

Hey CopyLeft, is this the change you believed in? Paying for Obama’s spending spree that he continues to do every day? All I remember during his campaign was “cut spending cut spending no earmarks cut spending”. That was the change I believed in…not this spending spree. Hope your grandkids have fun paying off the debt that you and other dems voted for!

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 14th, 2009
9:49 am

The United States has Budweiser, the self-proclaimed King of Beers. If
Suntory and Kirin go ahead with a merger, Japan could soon have the
Godzilla,

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 14th, 2009
9:52 am

Bank of America, which is trying to avoid paying billions of dollars in
fees for government guarantees against losses at Merrill Lynch, saying
the rescue agreement was never signed, ought to pay up,

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 14th, 2009
9:54 am

Marc S. Dreier, once a high-flying New York lawyer who orchestrated a
fraud scheme that bilked hedge funds and other investors of $700
million, was sentenced on Monday to 20 years in prison.

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 14th, 2009
9:56 am

Bernard L. Madoff, convicted last month of orchestrating a massive
Ponzi scheme, was moved from his Manhattan jail cell to a prison in
Atlanta, the Bureau of Prisons said in the early hours Tuesday.

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

July 14th, 2009
10:17 am

REAGAN, BUSH SENIOR,BUSH JR. THESE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS WERE IN POWER WHEN AMERICA LOST JOBS AND GAS PRICES WENT UP,NOTICE ALL OF THE DESTRUCTION THAT COMES WHEN A REPUBLICAN IS PRESIDENT,BOTTOMLINE THE GOP PARTY IS A PARTY OF LYING CHEATING STEALING AND KILLING MACHINE,ALL TRAITS OF SATAN,KILL STEAL AND DESTROY,SOUNDS JUST LIKE A REPUBLICAN,JESUS VALUES OR SATANS VALUES?

Churchill"s MOM

July 14th, 2009
10:18 am

Jim, I thought you had left. Gere is what our next president wrote in the Washington Post.

By Sarah Palin
Tuesday, July 14, 2009

There is no shortage of threats to our economy. America’s unemployment rate recently hit its highest mark in more than 25 years and is expected to continue climbing. Worries are widespread that even when the economy finally rebounds, the recovery won’t bring jobs. Our nation’s debt is unsustainable, and the federal government’s reach into the private sector is unprecedented.

Unfortunately, many in the national media would rather focus on the personality-driven political gossip of the day than on the gravity of these challenges. So, at risk of disappointing the chattering class, let me make clear what is foremost on my mind and where my focus will be:

I am deeply concerned about President Obama’s cap-and-trade energy plan, and I believe it is an enormous threat to our economy. It would undermine our recovery over the short term and would inflict permanent damage.

American prosperity has always been driven by the steady supply of abundant, affordable energy. Particularly in Alaska, we understand the inherent link between energy and prosperity, energy and opportunity, and energy and security. Consequently, many of us in this huge, energy-rich state recognize that the president’s cap-and-trade energy tax would adversely affect every aspect of the U.S. economy.

There is no denying that as the world becomes more industrialized, we need to reform our energy policy and become less dependent on foreign energy sources. But the answer doesn’t lie in making energy scarcer and more expensive! Those who understand the issue know we can meet our energy needs and environmental challenges without destroying America’s economy.

Job losses are so certain under this new cap-and-tax plan that it includes a provision accommodating newly unemployed workers from the resulting dried-up energy sector, to the tune of $4.2 billion over eight years. So much for creating jobs.

In addition to immediately increasing unemployment in the energy sector, even more American jobs will be threatened by the rising cost of doing business under the cap-and-tax plan. For example, the cost of farming will certainly increase, driving down farm incomes while driving up grocery prices. The costs of manufacturing, warehousing and transportation will also increase.

The ironic beauty in this plan? Soon, even the most ardent liberal will understand supply-side economics.

The Americans hit hardest will be those already struggling to make ends meet. As the president eloquently puts it, their electricity bills will “necessarily skyrocket.” So much for not raising taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year.

Even Warren Buffett, an ardent Obama supporter, admitted that under the cap-and-tax scheme, “poor people are going to pay a lot more for electricity.”

We must move in a new direction. We are ripe for economic growth and energy independence if we responsibly tap the resources that God created right underfoot on American soil. Just as important, we have more desire and ability to protect the environment than any foreign nation from which we purchase energy today.

In Alaska, we are progressing on the largest private-sector energy project in history. Our 3,000-mile natural gas pipeline will transport hundreds of trillions of cubic feet of our clean natural gas to hungry markets across America. We can safely drill for U.S. oil offshore and in a tiny, 2,000-acre corner of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge if ever given the go-ahead by Washington bureaucrats.

clyde

July 14th, 2009
10:23 am

It looks to me like my share of the deficit is payable so let’s all get together and pay the deficit off before Friday,then we can talk some sort of healthcare system.Unless we do that then I’m against any change at the moment.

Jackie

July 14th, 2009
10:25 am

I love the fact the Repubs are using Sen. Sessions (R-AL) to lead the questioning of Judge Sotomayor relative to her fitness to be a US Supreme Court Justice.

Jeff Sessions, with the temerity to question ANYONE about their perceived/real bias and discriminatory actions. Please, do not stop this public emulation of the Repubs.

Secondly, the Repubs are trying to have it both ways regarding the economy. When it is going well, Ronald Reagan is their hero; when it is not going well, Ronald Reagan is dead and there is no need to bring him into the argument.

Copyleft

July 14th, 2009
10:27 am

Peadawg: All I remember during his campaign was “cut spending cut spending no earmarks cut spending.”

I’m sure that WAS all you heard… of course, that’s not all that was said, but it was all you heard!

Chris Broe

July 14th, 2009
10:31 am

Grading Wooten: A+

How long will Wooten extend his sojourn from truth?

BRUNO

July 14th, 2009
10:34 am

WHY IS IT YOU CITE COST/DEBT ON MATTERS THAT BENEFIT THE NATION BUT YOU DON’T SAY ANYTHING WHEN WE BORROW FOR NATION BUILDING?
WHAT WAS THE NATION’S DEBT ON JAN19? WAS THE TRUE WAR COST INCLUDED?

Chris Broe

July 14th, 2009
10:36 am

Sarah goes from “You Betcha” to a pedanticly over-edited manifesto of economic woes in today’s Washington Post.

Now THAT’S funny.

bwa

Lovin’ Palin

jbmlaw

July 14th, 2009
10:46 am

As we are sure to find out, four years can seem an eternity.

Munch

July 14th, 2009
10:56 am

Wooten says: “Right now, they’re all that stands between the ambitions of this generation of liberal politicians and the quality-of-life stealing debt burden being shifted to our children and grand-children.”

As usual, Wooten is completely off the mark. More accurate would be:

Right now, the Blue Dogs are all that stand in the way of the establishment of a health care reform that is desired by the overwhelming majority of Americans.

or

Right now, they’re all that stands in the way of eliminating the non-productive skimmers and grifters of the health insurance industry from the health care equation.

Do the Math

July 14th, 2009
11:01 am

Don’t point at children becuase the fault is placed on baby boomers on up that have gotten fat and wealthy off of our children’s future.

Will taxes go up? No answer needed here.

We need a house clearing of all politicians. Zero base hiring. Period.

Chris Broe

July 14th, 2009
11:10 am

The AJC reported that a man fell in a vat of chocolate and died. The police rounded up the usual Oompa Loompas.

ron

July 14th, 2009
11:19 am

jbmlaw,
Is that actually you or an imposter.If it is you,welcome back.

Chris Broe

July 14th, 2009
11:22 am

Why didn’t someone think to give Gov. Sanford a drug test? He was obviously out of it. I think he was stoned. Would explain alot, no?

M. Poster

July 14th, 2009
11:25 am

It’s that same ol’ imposter, who had Ragnarlaw’s permission to impost him. Just seemed like something he’d write and I was feeling a little wistful for some of the old regulars who have moved on.

I could use a good cup of bile. Where’s tftt when you need him?

Mark Sanford

July 14th, 2009
11:28 am

I did not have inhale relations with that woman … Mary Jane.

PappyHappy

July 14th, 2009
11:41 am

A survey by the Physicians’ Foundation has uncovered what it calls widespread frustration and concern among primary care physicians nationwide, which could lead to a dramatic decrease in practicing doctors in the near future. The survey examined the causes behind the doctors’ dissatisfaction, the state of their practices and the future of care.

The resulting findings show the possibility of significantly decreased access for Americans in the years ahead, as many doctors are forced to reduce the number of patients they see or quit the practice of medicine outright.

An overwhelming majority — 78 percent — of physicians believe that there is an existing shortage of primary care doctors in the United States today. Additionally, nearly half of them — 49 percent, or more than 150,000 practicing doctors– say that over the next three years they plan to reduce the number of patients they see or stop practicing entirely.

“Going into this project we generally knew about the shortage of physicians; what we didn’t know is how much worse it could get over the next few years,” said Lou Goodman, PhD, President of The Physicians’ Foundation. “The bottom line is that the person you’ve known as your family doctor could be getting ready to disappear — and there might not be a replacement.”

To test the above, I have asked my local physicians their plans. The answers were shocking: one is planning on leaving practice and start operating equipment for other physicians — to rid himself of malpractice insurance, and bureaucratic paper work from the government. Another one is looking into leaving his medical practice for ‘moral reasons’ if ‘Obama Care’ comes about. He reminded me that a physician’s first obligation is “to do no harm’. None that I spoke to are recommending the medical profession to young students due to government interference; bureaucracy; possible use of a board of bureaucrats to determine cost effective treatment; and the lack of TORT reform from the politicians — many of whom are lawyers.

My sensing is that Obama is already having an ‘unintended consequence’ on our health care system: A SHORTAGE OF PHYSICIANS!! Now that is change we will believe in within a few years!!

HIS OWN DOCTOR IS AGAINST ‘OBAMA CARE’!!
http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/18/obama-doctor-knocks-obamacare-business-healthcare-obamas-doctor.html

Is this the kind of medical care you want in the future – from your ‘Friendly Government’??
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-us-va-hospital-error,0,2658719.story

Strongly suggest you get a copy of the August 2009 issue of ‘CONSUMER REPORTS’. There is an article entitled “A PRESCRIPTION FOR HEALTH CARE”. Great piece!! Members of Congress should have this as required reading, and put their pork projects and lobbyists aside on this issue!!

ASK YOUR OWN PHYSICIANS THEIR PLANS, AND THEIR MOTIVATIONS!! YOU ARE GOING TO BE SHOCKED AT WHAT YOU FIND!!

Look at our medical schools!! Are they filled? If not, why not???

Folks, the politicians HAVE NOT ACCOMPLISHED THEIR BASIC HOMEWORK!! With a looming doctor shortage – which will no doubt worsen if President Obama’s policies come to fruition – WHO WILL DELIVER HEALTH CARE? HENRY WAXMAN??????

Concerned? Call Sen Baucus’ office:

Committee On Finance
219 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510-6200
(202) 224-4515

Solution

July 14th, 2009
11:42 am

I have got a solution to all of our problems. It will cut the price of health care, make people healthier, and make us a better country.

ALL FREELOADERS, GET OFF OF YOUR CAN AND GO TO WORK!!!!!!

alohagator

July 14th, 2009
11:44 am

The U.S. government rang up a $94.32 billion budget deficit in June, 2009.

By contrast, Bill Clinton – the last Democrat POTUS, in fiscal year 2000 ran up a $17.9 billion dollar budget deficit.

$94.32 billion deficit for one month versus $17.9 billion deficit for an entire year.

Bush was a terrible president but this a$$clown we have now is a total moron!

Elections have consequences… We need change even a styrofoam coffee cup can understand!

Solution

July 14th, 2009
11:51 am

Alohagator—I have to agree.

Gotta love the Obamanomics(or lack there of)

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
12:09 pm

Wooten, who has never had to provide a second of health care, nor had tobl worry about health care for himself or his family, has no understanding of the greater cost of the status quo. If the Blue Dog (Cowardly and essentially Republicans) stad in the way of a public option, they’ll be defeated.

Wooten has never had the experience of arguing with an insurance company who wanted to cut a patient’s benefits when they got very sick and needed a life threatening operation and treatment for cancer to save a patient’s life. Those of us who have watched insurance companies screw physicians and patients and who have battled them to save patients know a public option will happen. There are plenty of legitimate places to get the money to finance a health care plan that will save money that is hemorrhaging from the treasury.

Mr. Wooten seems not to be aware of the phony data bases that overbilled patients by billions and screwed physicians out of reimbursement that multi state task forces after proving they were based on false data are in the process of using to claw back this money for patients and doctors. These are available to Mr. Wooten on line and AG Cuomo of New York has led state AGs in clawing back this money.

The 1.5 billion that Chambiliss stupidly wanted to waste on an obsolete F22 will instead by saved and can be applied towards health care. Ceasing stupid operations in Iraq would provide money that can pay for health care, and basically the money will be provided by taxing those in the upper income brackets who make over 250 grand per year.

Myth: Health reform will be paid for by “cutting” Medicare and Medicaid

This is the latest line trotted out by conservatives and picked up by the media, that we’re going to cut Medicare and Medicaid to pay for health reform. We’re not cutting Medicare or Medicaid, if by cut you mean doing anything that will lower people’s benefits. We’re finding savings in the program. And that’s not just spin.

Here’s an example: Right now, Medicaid pays hospitals a sum of money (which varies geographically) to help make up the losses they incur for treating patients that show up in the emergency room without insurance (who hospitals are legally required to treat). After health reform is passed, the number of uninsured in this country will diminish. These payments will therefore become redundant and can be phased out, yielding savings without cutting anyone’s benefits.

Myth: We’re just waiting for reconciliation on health care so we only need Democratic votes to pass it

This one isn’t true…yet.

Right now, the Senate is still operating under regular order, which means we will need 60 votes to end a filibuster and cut off debate over a health care reform bill. (Aside: Which Senators are going to be the ones to filibuster health care? People should start asking them that.) There is, however, an October 15th deadline. If the Senate is unable to move a health reform bill under regular order, they must move one under reconciliation by October 15th. So, right now, Harry Reid and other Senate leadership are giving Republicans every opportunity to come on board and vote for real health reform. If they don’t come on board, that’s what reconciliation is for.

Myth: Health reform will cost too much and put a burden on families

This is the most insidious of the right-wing lies. In reality, the cost of doing nothing on health reform will bankrupt families, and reforming health care will save the average American family thousands per year.

If we don’t reform our health care system and bring down skyrocketing costs, the average family will be paying almost $10,000 more per year for health care by 2016 than they do now. Our government will be bankrupt. And we’ll spend one in every five dollars in our entire economy on health care, up from the already astronomical one in seven that we spend now. The cost of doing nothing is simply unacceptable, and those against reform are willing to bankrupt families, government and our entire country to serve their obstructionism.

Not to mention that reforming health care will reduce costs for families. According to the Commonwealth Fund [pdf], health care reform that puts everyone in, gives people affordable options, and includes a strong public health insurance option (like that proposed by the House of Representatives) would save the average family $2,228 per year.

Plus, health reform will be fully financed. In the House, it will be paid for by a combination of Medicare and Medicaid savings, a public health insurance option that saves money, and a 1% tax on those that make over a quarter of a million dollars per year.

Get Real

July 14th, 2009
12:21 pm

$1.35 Trillion dollars in tax cuts back in 2001 that were supposed to create millions of jobs and put more money in the hands of small business and citizens. Instead, this nation experienced its slowest growth in 50 years. Wooten and these lame, so-called ‘conservatives’ were grinning from ear to ear while Bush squandered Clinton’s surplus and put two wars on a credit card with his ‘fuzzy math’. Now after they’re sitting at the kids table, they want to yell and scream about deficits and fiscal restraint. What was the deficit on 1/19/09 Wooten?

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
12:24 pm

By the way, this 60 vote crap is a myth. I’d like to introduce the principle of Reconciliation in the US Senate into Mr. Wooten’s vocabulary. It’s never too late to learn, even in retirement. The dems only need to use the rule on reconciliation which requires 51 votes. Kennedy and Byrd almost never vote because they are very ill. Sanders from Vermont is an Independent who votes as a liberal Dem on many issues and is at the leading edge on not only a public health care plan but a single payer plan which most Wooten mousketeers don’t understand because they take a Palinesque approach to reading and education. Dumb and dumber is better. Think education in Georgia. Lieberman and Specter vote as Republicans on almost every issue.

Via Reconciliation which the Democrats stand ready to use to pass a public plan, we need only 51 votes and we have them easily.

Reconciliation Process – A process established in the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 by which Congress changes existing laws to conform tax and spending levels to the levels set in a budget resolution. Changes recommended by committees pursuant to a reconciliation instruction are incorporated into a reconciliation measure.

Get Real

July 14th, 2009
12:27 pm

Alohagator, how much debt did Bush run up in 2003?

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
12:31 pm


The Republcans, to whom reading is anathma, need constant reminding that this stat is genuine. When Bush left on Jan. 20, this country was losing 7,00,000 jobs per month. Right now, the latest figures are we are losing half that many jobs per month on the street in the real world. We were left on the cusp of a Depression on the scale of 1920 by Bush. Obama’s stimulus pulled this country back from the brink of another Depression even worse than the one in 1929.

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
12:35 pm

RECONCILIATION does not seem to be in the vocabulary of Ditz Brain in Wading Boots, or her blind disciples here (she of the dead fish stay in office, and live fish come out of the water to breath air and quit because the stress is too great for a borderline personality).

Alabama Doc

July 14th, 2009
12:43 pm

Yes it all started with LBJ, the government already controls much of health care spending, the “LBJ” rules allow hospitals to get paid more for private rooms than “wards”. It allows the capital cost basis to be paid plus profit. This means the private hospital with the large parking deck is paid more medicare dollars than the county charity hospital. Ie higher cost are reimbursed higher, so the game changed to increase cost and therefore profits. Ultimately their aint no such thing as a free lunch, the wage earners pay for all costs of health care, hidden taxes, hidden costs. Only a return to free market economics will work, if Kaiser P is the low cost option they get the subscribers! Charity is charity it will never change even if the taxes are mandated!

DebbieDoRight

July 14th, 2009
12:48 pm

Oh Wow……NOW Wooten wants to talk healthcare!!! When the repuglicans were in power for the last 8+ years, why didn’t they do something THEN??? Why NOW are they so indignant about little old things like budgets and healthcare? Why wouldn’t the repuglicans reform healthcare on their watch? I guess it’s because there was no PROFIT in it for them then and they could always pull out that flag and say that you were “unpatriotic” if you questioned anything that htey did…………..

Cindy

July 14th, 2009
12:51 pm

I just can’t understand how an American can be so hateful as in wanting to deny another American life saving medical treatment. Do these people really value a concept over human life?

Dimotard Wash, Rinse, & SPIN

July 14th, 2009
12:52 pm

The mindless dumbMasses on the moveon.moonbat.org crackpot left believes that we can just tax that small minority of tax payers (who ALREADY pay a disproportionally large portion of IRS revenue taken in), the rich, to pay for all their fairy tale socialist liberal agendas. Not the least of which is gov’t run health care, which is only really needed for about 8 million people who TRULY need assistance (NOT illegals, NOT those who CAN afford a health care plan but CHOOSE not to).

Then the news of the day is Sotomayor backtracking on what she has racially said in the past.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31904261/ns/politics-white_house

And on that note, you have to give it up for the Urinal Constipation headline today that effectively says Sotomayor will legislate impartially. Funny, did the Urinal Constipation give that benefit of the doubt to Roberts or Thomas? And you have to remember there weren’t even ON RECORD comments from Roberts or Thomas saying they were more capable of legislating than a black/white/latino/female, etc.

We now return you to the resident libtard blog troglodyte trash drooler with no life. Thanks.

alohagator

July 14th, 2009
12:55 pm

Get Real – It sure as hell wasn’t $94.32 billion in a single month!

One month …. $95 billion dollar deficit… That breaks down to $3,144,000,000 per day genius.

Instead of looking backwards and blaming Bush for all the world’s problems, why don’t you see what’s right in front of your eyes?

Would someone please explain how we as a nation can borrow and spend our way out of debt?

Even if both wars stopped today and we cancelled all defense spending and we raised taxes on the rich to 75%, the budget would still be out of balance.

Maybe we ought to consider Clinton’s famed slogan, “Pay as we go”.

If I need stuff I only buy what I have the money to pay for. Our illustrious leaders in Washington, D.C. should be forced to do the same.

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
12:56 pm

Let’s get much clearer than Jim Wooten who has no medical training whatsoever, has always had primo insurance coverage through his employers.

The health care bill that comes from the Senate may well be a piece of crap.

But it is possible via Reconciliation in the Senate (the principle not the word used in its dictionary definition)to pass a bill that isn’t a bailout for the insurance companies.

The lobbyists from the insurance industry have homeless people standing in line for them so they can fill the front row seats in the hearings, staring down members of Congress as they text their requests to staff members.

[...] Blue Dog Dems and Health Care [...]

jconservative

July 14th, 2009
1:21 pm

“I see the “usuals” here are drifting back to bring up Reagan who has been dead these many years. So who cares about Reagan in current finances.”

Dusty, what we have is a 28 year fire that has about consumed the house.
We are not going to put it out by spraying a little water on it.
We must do something more radical. For starters try never again voting for an incumbent. The people standing by watching the fire burn & throwing a little more kindling on it have been the incumbents.
We would be a lot better off if every elected official only served one term. So vote for the other guy and when he is up for re-election, vote for the other guy.

Going into fiscal year 2009 we had a 10 trillion dollar deficit.
I predict we will re-elect most incumbents & double the deficit in the next 7 to 10 years.

Atlanta Native

July 14th, 2009
1:26 pm

If you contracted to have two bridges built by a contractor and later found out that both were on the verge of collapse which would you do?
A) Hire that contractor to build a third bridge, or
B) Make the contractor repair the previous two before he/she gets anymore work from you, or
C) Ignore the issue completely?

Congress is the contractor. Medicare and Medicaid are the first two bridges.

For those who picked A) you support the healthcare intitiative, because, although Medicare and Medicaid are seriously in trouble but you want the new bridge so bad you do not care. Result – disaster

For those who picked C) you support the last administration’s approach of laissez faire and think what we have is a good idea. Result – disaster

For the few who pick B), people with conservative values but no blind allegiance to the Republican Party, you have chosen the correct option, though it is not out there. Reform is to make Medicare and Medicaid work and to create clinics for the poor, needy or shiftless to keep them out of the hospital emergency room with simple problems. Result – responsible solution.

The plan being touted is garbage. Doing nothing is also the poor choice. The third way requires admitting that Medicare and Medicaid need to be fixed and what is needed is a safety net for the disabled, those without the faculties to support themselves in a free market system and the lazy. That is what is needed, not throwing out everything, starting over and mortgaging our future without taking time to fix the existing system.

Pitiful that our politicians would rather mortgage our future or turn a blind eye rather than take a fiscally responsible approach to a problem.

Chris Broe

July 14th, 2009
1:46 pm

The AJC reported that there’s a nudist camp that will stage the world’s largest skinny dip. There’s no need to offer these people-gone-wild any New Orleans beads. In fact, who knows what they’d do with them. Better safe than sorry here. Just sayin’

Uninsured and Nervous

July 14th, 2009
1:58 pm

The only way we are ever going to get the health care plan we desperately need is if we can find a villain, someone the public can openly criticize. It’s the quickest way to move the argument from the abstract to a matter of morals, to make the public feel impassioned. http://thestimulist.com/it-takes-a-villain/

Disgusted

July 14th, 2009
1:59 pm

“We would be a lot better off if every elected official only served one term.”

That way we could be sure they would ignore us and do everything they could to enrich themselves at out expense. After all, there’s no need to worry about reelection, so why be concerned about the voters who put you in office?

DBB

July 14th, 2009
2:21 pm

I voted for Jim Marshall last time around, believing that he would place good judgement before self interest. Particularly when something as historically significant and of such huge impact as the stimulus came along. His vote for the stimulus and cap & trade sealed his fate for this voter during the next election. Forget I won’t, and if the measure of my friends who voted for him count for anything, it will be a tough go next time around. My kids have now inherited a disaster and it’s clear who contributed to that disaster and who did not. And they did it in only 6 months; it’s simply unbelievable.

Dan

July 14th, 2009
2:23 pm

Like many things in politics, and life in general, if you don’t properly define the problem or desire, it is unfixable. You want real discussion on social security? call it what it is retirement/welfare program. Tax rebates? some yes, most was welfare. Healthcare reform? Government “insurance” please, people don’t want insurance they want someone else to pay their bills in the name of “equality” yet they don’t dare criticize the medical profession (hey those guys may be holding a knife over you some day!) they criticize insurance, the industry that provides the ability to spread costs over the population but they do it voluntarily and people have a choice. If you want everyones medical coverage to go the way of medicare, public schools or even the DMV. By all means support gov “health care”

Base

July 14th, 2009
2:24 pm

Who cares what Wooten thinks.The AJC should cut the budget and you.

Chris Broe

July 14th, 2009
2:34 pm

Anyone notice how much healthier are children became after they ate all those vegetables at school in the form of Reagan Ketchup? I mean, who needs healthcare now? We’re in the pink!

Thank God for Obama, who is the first president since Lincoln who knows how to handle this country’s problems.

alohagator

July 14th, 2009
2:35 pm

jconservative @ 1:21pm – The actual national debt is approx. $11,500,000,000,000 dollars.

It increases by about $5.6 million dollars every sixty seconds.

Remember folks… We as a nation must pay interest on that ever increasing debt.

Aloha ya’all.

alohagator

July 14th, 2009
2:38 pm

Broe — You’re nuts!

alohagator

July 14th, 2009
2:46 pm

Before I leave this discussion here’s one more thing to consider:

I said this earlier but it bears repeating —–
In fiscal year 2000 we added $17.9 billion to our deficit for the entire year. At our current rate of spending that number equals 5.7 days.

Gimmie back Bill Clinton and a “do-nothing” Congress. Please!!!!!!!!

Chris Broe

July 14th, 2009
2:47 pm

For one thing, Obama is not capable of calling Ketchup a vegetable, not just because a tomato is a fruit, but because only a brain-dead vegetable would think that the sugar/vinegar base of ketchup could ever be construed as part of any food group.

You yellow-rat republicans are discredited, and you log-cabin conservatives are invisible, so you are effectually prevented from inventing another idiot scheme to poison innocent school children under the guise of “it’s good 4U.”

The GOP is dead. Long live the Democrats!!!

Shameless

July 14th, 2009
2:52 pm

James

July 14th, 2009
3:02 pm

As a young person, I would rather pay taxes to fix this country’s healthcare and environment than pay taxes for unnecessary wars in the Middle East.

I don’t understand how anyone can decry spending to improve the health of fellow Americans and at the same time think it was perfectly reasonable to spend trillions in Iraq.

Atlanta Native

July 14th, 2009
3:02 pm

Yo Broe,

I detested Reagan. But get over it. That was the 80’s. Take off your skinny leather tie and your Vans and welcome to the new century. I mean come on, Warren G. Harding was corrupt, let’s rail about that, why don’t we.

If you want to complain about Reagan do some research into appointments – that’s where the juicy stuff is.

But that does not help the debate here. And Ketchup contains concentrated amounts of Licopene, so it turns out it is good for you, though the administration did not know that.

alohagator

July 14th, 2009
3:30 pm

James – Here’s something to think about….
#1 – As a young person, I doubt you pay any taxes.
#2 – We haven’t spent “trillions” in Iraq… We’ve spent about $800 billion dollars for the war.
#3 – When you get a real job, start a family and look towards retirement I guarantee you will think differently.

Get Real

July 14th, 2009
3:36 pm

So alohagator aka genius, you’ve yet to answer the question I posed. You tea bagging repubs will do anything to bring up the deficit when a democrat is in office, but put your hands over your mouth while a republican ‘fiscally conservative’ president ran it up after he was given a surplus.

Atlanta Native

July 14th, 2009
4:02 pm

Repub or Dem – can any of you answer which bridge option you pick as per 1:37 pm.

Atlanta Native

July 14th, 2009
4:03 pm

1:26 pm, sorry, never do things from memory.

Jerry

July 14th, 2009
5:02 pm

The CBO projected 600 billion not 1 trillion for the latest version by HELP over a decade. Now we can help those in need or we can get into another war. The latest count has us spending 700 billion on Iraq over the last 7 years and we still aren’t done. It seems the Iraq war is far more costly than something that could help American citizens.

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
5:40 pm

Entertaining to see the bufoon Lindsay Graham yammering about the anonymous complaints of lawyuhs before the 2nd Circuit as to Sotamayor’s “temperamant” when he backed and was joined at the hip loose cannon McCain who had a running mate who is a sick borderline who has disintegrated in Alaska and now is reduced to debating Levi Johnston.

Ga Values

July 14th, 2009
5:41 pm

DBB 2:21 pm

Marshall voted AGAINST the cap & trade. I understand Saxby plans to vote for the Cap & trade so you might want to send him a big check to vote against it.

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
5:44 pm

My count and the one scholarly well referenced book has Iraq at 3 trillion dollars and pushing 4 trillion. And the cornball hick from JawJaw has been told his stupid attempt to piss away 1.5 billion for the obselete F22 will be vetoed. How’s that for a reversal–the black man smacks down the white sugar company pimp.

ron

July 14th, 2009
5:46 pm

There has been one thing said here this afternoon that I agree with.

“Bring back Bill Clinton and a do nothing Congress”.

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
5:53 pm

Pentagon tests: F-22 Flies LIke it’s Made of Balsa Wood

WASHINGTON — The United States’ premier fighter jet, the Lockheed Martin F-22, has recently required more than 30 hours of maintenance for every hour in the skies, pushing its hourly cost of flying to more than $44,000, a far higher figure than for the warplane it replaces, confidential Pentagon test results show.

The aircraft’s radar-absorbing metallic skin is the principal cause of its maintenance troubles, with unexpected shortcomings — such as vulnerability to rain and other abrasion — challenging Air Force and contractor technicians since the mid-1990s, according to Pentagon officials, internal documents and a former engineer.Skin problems — often requiring re-gluing small surfaces that can take more than a day to dry — helped force more frequent and time-consuming repairs, according to the confidential data drawn from tests conducted by the Pentagon’s independent Office of Operational Test and Evaluation between 2004 and 2008.

Over the four-year period, the F-22’s average maintenance time per hour of flight grew from 20 hours to 34, with skin repairs accounting for more than half of that time — and more than half the hourly flying costs — last year. The Air Force says the F-22 cost $44,259 per flying hour in 2008; the Office of the Secretary of Defense said the figure was $49,808. The F-15, the F-22’s predecessor, has a fleet average cost of $30,818.

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
5:58 pm

While most aircraft fleets become easier and less costly to repair as they mature, key maintenance trends for the F-22 have been negative in recent years, and on average from October last year to this May, just 55 percent of the deployed F-22 fleet has been available to fulfill missions guarding U.S. airspace, the Defense Department acknowledged this week. The F-22s, which are assembled in Marietta by Lockheed Martin Corp, has never been flown over Iraq or Afghanistan.

Sensitive information about troubles with the nation’s premier air-defense fighter is emerging in the midst of a fight between the Obama administration and the Democrat-controlled Congress over whether the program should be halted next year at 187 planes, far short of what the Air Force and the F-22’s contractors around the country had anticipated.

“It is a disgrace that you can fly a plane (an average of) only 1.7 hours before it gets a critical failure” that jeopardizes success of the aircraft’s mission, said a Defense Department critic of the plane who is not authorized to speak on the record. Other skeptics inside the Pentagon note that the planes, designed 30 years ago to combat a Cold War adversary, have cost an average of $350 million apiece and say they are not a priority in the age of small wars and terrorist threats.

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
6:04 pm


America’s Affordable Health Choices Act

The House released its health care reform bill today — the America’s Affordable Health Choices Act — and will begin three simultaneous committee markups on different provisions later this week.

General Health Care Features:
A. Up to 97 percent of Americans will be covered with federal health care and/or health insurance.

B. Medicaid coverage will be improved and be expanded to allow people up to 133 percent of the federal poverty level. The Feds will pick up the added costs, not states.

C. Uninsured people with incomes above that 133 percent of fed poverty level (FPL) will receive federal credits (subsidies) to help purchase insurance in a new federal insurance Exchange. The feds will build the exchange, but states/regions can take over their regional operations if/when they’re ready.

D. A national health insurance plan (”public option”) will be one of the plans available in the exchange to individuals and small businesses that don’t have insurance

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 14th, 2009
6:25 pm

Meet the Republican Fakes on Senate Judiciary

Orin Hatch–as much federal litigation experience as my dog (none whatsoever).

John Kyle–as much federal litigation experience as my dog (none whatsoever).

Charles Grassley, farmer, —as much federal litigation experience as my dog (none whatsoever).

Lindsey Graham–JAG and as much federal litigation experience as my dog (none whatsoever).

John Corynyn–as much federal litigation experience as my dog (none whatsoever).

Arlen Specter (votes Republican–calls self Democrat to survive in his reelection campaign)–as much federal litigation experience as my dog (none whatsoever).

deegee

July 14th, 2009
6:56 pm

If we can’t have health care reform this time can we please agree to have health reform? There are approximately 58 million obese adults in this country. If we could get a Kennedy-era style national weight reduction and exercise program underway we could lower the estimated cost of health care. I would love to see an alternative to the employer based health care system but I do wonder how we are going to pay for insulin, hip and knee replacements, gastric bypass surgery, back surgery, lipitor, ACE inhibitors, heart bypass surgery, gall bladder surgery, etc. Maybe we should as a nation lose a billion pounds before we spend a trillion on health care for an obese and sedentary population.

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 14th, 2009
7:03 pm

It’s been my experience, and it’s reflected in the medical literature that knee and hip replacements, CABG and coronary ischemia, CVA,hypertension and cholecystitis are not diseases caused by obesity nor restricted to obese individuals. Far from it. It is true that metabolic syndrome which includes obesisty is a coronary risk factor. Those diseases are wide spread in people who are not obese. Their treatment outcomes are markedly different and depending on ethnicity and race.

Scott Greene

July 14th, 2009
7:28 pm

The product of health insurance is to provide you with medical coverage when you need it.
Unlike other businesses that need to provide you with their product in order to make any money, health insurance companies actually make more money for themselves when they restrict and do not pay claims.
In other words, they make more money when they do NOT provide the product that you have paid them for.

Read the 50 to 70 pages of your health insurance contract.
Pay particular attention to the section entitled “limitations and exclusions”.
People’s health is not a product that needs to be left to the whims of money motivated CEO’s and stockholders.
If that is your thinking, you might as well have your police and fire department protection based on insurance premiums you pay.
Then you can go to the police and fire protection insurance page for ‘limitations and exclusions’ on whether or not the police or fire department would come out to your house in the event of an emergency.

The point is, you would never think of discriminating against another citizen if he was the victim of a fire or crime.
So why would you be ok with health insurance companies discriminating against fellow citizens who have pre-existing medical conditions?

Michael H. Smith

July 14th, 2009
8:01 pm

One question deegee: would you also love to see an alternative to government run healthcare a.k.a. The so-called Public Option as well?

Robin Morris

July 14th, 2009
8:41 pm

Enter your comments here
Everyone should pay their own health care insurance, get it where is can be affortable The Drug Companies have gotten rich along with the Insurance Companies.

For god sakes lets pray that Palin is out of the picture, she has no clue to solve any problem.

By the time 2012 comes she will have had a PMS attacks

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 14th, 2009
8:42 pm

LOL your health care plan would be what Dr. Smith? The Rush Limpbaughs “ah don’t know no alternatives ah jist don’t want what 75% of this country wants”?

Michael H. Smith

July 14th, 2009
8:46 pm

Hmm… I don’t remember addressing question to nameless-YOU.

Chris Salzmann

July 14th, 2009
8:54 pm

Here some real experiences regarding Americans experiencing health care in other western countries from the Huffington Post. We keep hearing the same mantra about how US Heath Care is the BEST IN THE WORLD. Yes it is if you’re lucky enough to work for a company that provides insurance. A whopping 60% of all people who declare bankruptcy do so because of medical costs. Thousands of uninsured Americans DIE EVERY YEAR because of treatable illnesses that cannot be treated because they can’t afford it.

These conservatives will gladly pay $3-$4 Trillion for a war that should never have been fought but have the gall to complain about expenses to help fund health care for their own people??? I guess the “Christianity” they claim to practice stops when they walk out of their churches every Sunday. Their “Christianity” reminds me of what Mohattama Gandhi once said, “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ”.

alandkd:

I got pneumonia while in Germany for work. After seeing the doctor (she apologized for the half-hour wait because it was busy and she was the only doctor on call), within 10 MINUTES, she did an exam, an ultrasound, took blood for a test, and wrote an order for an X ray.

10 minutes to get the X ray, 10 more for it to be developed, and in another 10 minutes I was leaving with a prescription. They copied my US health insurance card and didn’t charge anything.


RAF3:

20 years living with the “inferior” Canadian system got me a knee reconstruction, an ankle reconstruction, a thumb reconstruction, 2 beautiful children born via C-section, multiple trips to the doctor and emergency room, etc. etc. etc.

Quality of care and surgery — at least as good and as prompt at I have ever gotten in the USA.

Never cost me more than my monthly premium ($70 per month, more or less, for the family and included dental) — lots of dental visits too, now that I think about it — and a few minor co-pays at the drug store.


Artemis34:

“Go home and call the doctor!” my colleagues said.

I was in Argentina, sick, and like all good American workaholics, at work!

“I”m American, we don”t go to the hospital unless we”re going to die [because then you don't have to pay the bill]” I said.
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They explained that I could get care in Argentina and I needn’t worry about my pocketbook.

They sent me off to my apartment with a phone number. I called and shortly after a doctor and nurse ARRIVED AT MY APARTMENT!

They examined me, said it was going around my neighborhood, gave me medicine and a prescription if I needed more, and gave instructions for follow-up.

No bill, FOR A HOUSE CALL!

I lived in Argentina for four more years and was very satisfied with the public care.

We call countries like Argentina and Chile “third world” but they can deliver care to their people and the US cannot.

RuWii

some years ago my brother in law was vacationing in Madeira (an island of Portugal) where he had acute apendicitis and needed emergency surgery. He was operated on and had to be hospitalized for 4 days. His wife stayed with him in his room. Not being Portuguese citizen he had to pay for his treatment. Being American he was terrified. The bill came in under $200!


rextrek

A few years ago,I was on vacation in Costa Rico and got hurt…I had hurt my ankle/foot & by taxi went to the ER…got 2 xrays/and a RX for pain pills….with instructions to apply ice..but it was NOT broken! Whew….what a relief…sure,the rest of my week was spent with my foot up,ice packs – at the bar..and pool…at a total cost of $30…I can ONLY Imagine what it would have cost in America!


enilorac:

I was in a head on car collision accident in England a few years ago. My father, my mother and myself were wearing seatbelts, so we survived a bad crash. The most amazing aspect, however, was what Katharine experienced. An amubulance took us to the Emergency Room at the big hospital in York. We were x rayed, my mother spent the night under observation and my father and I were treated and then released.
The doctors and nurses, even the police, were professional, kind and very respectful. I filled out a number of forms with all our U.S, based addresses, etc. We never got a bill, just what I have described.
So I too, got treated to First World Health Care, and I know we would have been treated with the same respect and care for our health and safety, no matter our nationality, race or creed. Of course, as Katharine pointed out there are issues with the British system, but to its core it aims to care.


sodisenchanted:

I lived in Wales, UK for 16 months during 2007/2008. I have many health problems and won’t begin to go into the problems I’ve had with insurance over the years.

I had to see a Dr. for an emergency as soon as I arrived in the UK and expected a huge hassle since I wasn’t yet set up with NHS. I called the local surgery (Drs office) and had an appointment within 30 minutes. I saw a Dr. within 30 minutes of my arrival there. I tried to pay but was told they wouldn’t know what to do with payment. (This surgery became my regular Drs.) I walked across the street to fill my prescriptions and when I tried to pay was informed all scripts filled in Wales written by a Welsh Dr. were free. COOL!

This level of treatment continued for my entire stay and I miss my Welsh Dr. I did wait about 6 weeks for a first visit to a specialist. It takes 5 months to see the same kind of specialist here. I could always see my GP same day there. It’s a 3 day wait here sometimes just to see the nurse practitioner. My Welsh Dr. diagnosed and solved 2 problems I couldn’t get any of 4 Drs. here to acknowledge.


enzosmom:

My 70-year-old father was knocked down by a horse-drawn carriage in Florence, Italy this May. Although he didn’t lose consciousness, we were worried that he could have a head injury not unlike that which took the life of Natasha Richardson. We went to the closest hospital, which turned out to be the smallest, most crowded, and, according to our friends, the “worst.” He was triaged as a ‘green” patient (stable) upon arrival, received xrays and an MRI. Because he’s on anticoagulants for a heart condition, they wanted him to remain overnight for observation, but they didn’t have a room. He was given comprensive discharge instructions in English, by the English-speaking doctor, along with the xrays and MRI, so that he could follow up with his physician in America. My mother and I followed the instructions with respect to observing him for the next 24 hours, with no complications.
He was not charged for the treatment. The entire episode lasted four and one-half hours.
This was Italy. One of the (relatively) less affluent Western European nations regularly mocked for its inefficiency.

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 14th, 2009
8:54 pm

Besides getting the hell out of Iraq for good, seizing the Swiss accounts of the 52,000 plus that the US is battling to get from the Swiss would easily pay for the health care bill the house hatched today.

Who”s covered:

Around 94 percent of non-elderly residents (those not covered by Medicare, which kicks in at age 65) would be covered “” compared with 81 percent today. Nearly half of the 17 million non-elderly residents who remain uninsured would be illegal immigrants.

Cost: About $1.5 trillion over 10 years.

How it”s paid for: Revenue-raisers include: $544 billion from a new income tax surcharge on single people making $280,000 a year and households making $350,000 and above; $37 billion in other tax adjustments. About $500 billion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid. About $200 billion from penalties paid by individuals and employers who don”t obtain coverage.

Requirements for individuals: Individuals must have insurance, enforced through tax penalty with hardship waivers. The penalty is 2.5 percent of income.

Requirements for employers: Employers must provide insurance to their employees or pay a penalty of 8 percent of payroll. Companies with payroll under $250,000 annually are exempt.

Subsidies: Individuals and families with annual income up to 400 percent of poverty level ($88,000 for a family of four) would get sliding-scale subsidies to help them buy coverage. The subsidies would begin in 2013.

Michael H. Smith

July 14th, 2009
9:01 pm

Mr. Wooten, have you ever noticed how far too easy it is to spend another person’s money? :twisted:

Jerry

July 14th, 2009
9:07 pm

I’m not sure what you are trying to get at Michael H. Smith (as opposed to Michael W. Smith). Let’s be factual – govt takeover of health insurance IS NOT ON THE TABLE! The right side of the political spectrum throw it out as a red herring to scare people. Remember back a month or so ago when Republican wordsmith met with Republican House members to tell them how to defeat health care reform: First, you have to pretend to support it. Then use phrases like “government takeover,” delayed care is denied care, consequences of rationing and bureaucrats not doctors prescribing medicine (far better to have a bureaucrat at the health insurance company do that). I saw that later Frank Luntz admit it was a bunch of lies but washed his hands of it by saying he is a wordsmith and not a policy maker.
As far as the earlier discussion on the Iraq war, I guess the Republicans feel it is better to kill than heal.

Chris Salzmann

July 14th, 2009
9:10 pm

Michael H. Smith July 14th, 2009 9:01 pm SAID: Mr. Wooten, have you ever noticed how far too easy it is to spend another person’s money? :twisted:

CHRIS SAYS: Yes, conservatives excel at it, especially when it comes to useless wars. They’re just loath to spend it in their own country

Michael H. Smith

July 14th, 2009
9:16 pm

First, Jerry is it, the name I use is my “full real legal name” given to me at birth NOT a nickname or a made-up name or the name of someone else. Second, you are totally clueless of what my healthcare agenda might be. Third, if you are so concerned about the Iraq war you should address those concerns to someone who can actually do something about them and that would be the CURRENT Commander N’ Chief.

Michael H. Smith

July 14th, 2009
9:19 pm

And I say what a lousy disingenuous reply, Chris Salzmann.

Chris Salzmann

July 14th, 2009
9:26 pm

Michael H. Smith July 14th, 2009 9:19 pm SAID: And I say what a lousy disingenuous reply, Chris Salzmann.

CHRIS SAYS: $3-$4 Trillion spent fighting a war of choice in Iraq and where were all these conservatives then??? If I recall, they were pretty much all in the GWB cheer leading section. Sorry Dude but It is what it is.

Jerry

July 14th, 2009
9:32 pm

First, Michael, I referenced the other name with tongue in cheek – my apologies for offending you. Yes you are correct – I am clueless on what your health care agenda might be but I am willing to be enlightened.

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 14th, 2009
9:55 pm

Whoever is the fake name Smith, I’d like to hear your health care plan. If you keep up these vapid meaningless commnets, we might have to make you travel with Borderline Palin who as op ed columnist in WaPo defined op ed as truth optional and revealed she doesn’t understand anything about the rather crappy Waxman bill that was full of pubtard pork.

Jerry

July 14th, 2009
10:20 pm

No I would actually like to see what Mr. Smith’s thoughts are. I have no intention of making denigrating comments but I would like to see his point of view. I am open to an open and honest debate and it just might turn out we have some common ground.

Michael H. Smith

July 14th, 2009
10:39 pm

Uh Dude, you need to keep it real. Both Democrats and Republicans have spent our money in the most unbecoming unseemly ways unimaginable to the sane mind, to which more often than not, is in very point of fact, against the will and best interest of we the folks back home that elected them. At present the national annual budget debt for the first time in the history of this nation has topped 1 trillion dollars. That’s real borrowed money, our money, which will have to be paid back to somebody at some point in time.

As for this beating of the war drum, Dude, I have spoken to that issue directly and very correctly previously. As you say, it is, what it IS and the present Commander N’ Chief has more control over events taking place in that regard than anyone else. Least of all someone else like me.

And Dude, don’t ask for political answers for wars. All wars come about because all political answers failed.

CHRIS SAYS: $3-$4 Trillion spent fighting a war of choice in Iraq and where were all these conservatives then??? If I recall, they were pretty much all in the GWB cheer leading section.

Again I say, what a lousy disingenuous reply, Dude.

OhioVoter72

July 14th, 2009
10:45 pm

“It’s the wage-earner and the owners of mom-and-pop businesses that get socked.” How so? Cite Examples in the bill, please? I agree with you that many (not all) of those who are supposed to see a tax increase in this legislation (those making $250K+) may find ways to dodge it. But where in the bill is there backup for your claim that “it’s the wage-earner and the owners of mom-and-pop businesses that get socked”?
I make $21K and I eagerly await your reply about exactly how a bill that specifically raises taxes on those making over ten times as much as I do is somehow going to raise my taxes.
Please be as specific as possible.

Jerry

July 14th, 2009
10:51 pm

Mr. Smith, I was honestly seeking your thoughts as I really did want to know to know what your health care. I tried to treat you with respect and you respond with venom. As far as the Iraq war several of us aren’t bringing it up as a complaint but merely comparing the logic of willing to spend major dollars for a war but unwilling to spend similar dollars for the good of American citizens. Perhaps you are comfortable with this but in my opinion I find it odd.

Michael H. Smith

July 14th, 2009
11:11 pm

I have no intention of making denigrating comments but I would like to see his point of view.

Thank you for your sincerity Jerry, to that I will give a respectable reply, to which I won’t give to a certain present obnoxious piece of non-sense.

There is only three possible answers to providing healthcare: 1) government 2) business 3) the individual. Government answer is socialized medicine, subject to change without notice and the recipients thereof possibly wishing it was gone as of yesterday. Which is basically the Democrat answer.

The business answer is for business as usual in catch as catch can healthcare, here today and possibly gone tomorrow. Which is basically the Republican answer.

The individual answer centers on individuals establishing, controlling and assuring their own healthcare. Which the Private Public option also referred to as a healthcare Co-Op of a more political bipartisan nature.

Now, there are many answers to funding. The least appealing of them being more taxation to bend the costs curve everyone knows must be done altered. This link should give you an idea at least of the concept. Ideally the further away from both business and government control of our healthcare the better off we shall all be is my firm belief. For we are the least likely among all three entities to cut our own benefits or cancel our own health insurance policies providing the funding questions can be resolved.

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 14th, 2009
11:12 pm

You don’t get an exchange of ideas with pubtards here Jerry. They have no comprehension that Bush and Republicans were the main causes of the economic clusterfook. They pretend never to have heard of Gingrich

They have no comprehension that an Iraq clusterfook has hemorhhaged trillions, and they have no concept of the fact that a large part of the economic crisis now is the crappy health care system we have.

They have no concept of the way insurance companies hasten death and deny care or that they cut tens of thousands of people from coverage in the past five years and decades before, because they got sick which was the reason for the coverage in the first place.

They have no concept of the fake data bases insurance companies used to bilk billions from patients and physicians.

And lastly they have an understanding of medicine equivalant to a rock–as in dumb as.

Michael H. Smith

July 14th, 2009
11:13 pm

Oops…. A thousand pardons for not posting that link, Jerry:

http://www.ghc.org/

jacksmith

July 14th, 2009
11:14 pm

THIS IS IT!

The healthcare reform bill released by the House Of Representatives is an excellent bill as I understand it. It is carefully written, and thoughtfully constructed, informed, prudent and wise.

This is the type of bill that all Americans can feel good about. And this is the type of bill that has the potential to dramatically improve the quality of healthcare for all Americans. Rich, middle class and poor a like. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and all other party affiliations. This bill has the potential to dramatically improve the quality of life of every American.

The house healthcare bill should be viewed as the minimum GOLD STANDARD by which all other proposed healthcare legislation should be judged. All supporters of true high quality healthcare reform should now place all your support behind this healthcare reform bill released by the United States House Of Representatives, as the minimum Gold standard for healthcare reform in America.

You should all now support this bill with all your might, and all of your unrelenting tenacity. This healthcare bill is a VERY, VERY GOOD! bill for all of the American people. Fight tooth, and nail for every bit of this bill if you have too. Be aggressive, creative, and relentless for this bill.

AND FIGHT!! like your life and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. BECAUSE IT DOES!

SPREAD THE WORD

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSM8t_cLZgk&feature=player_embedded)

God Bless You

Jack Smith — Working Class

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 14th, 2009
11:14 pm

Gingrich, Phil Gramm, Paulson, Bush, Greenspan who dat? The pubtards pretend they had nothing to do with the economic clusterfook.

Jerry

July 14th, 2009
11:43 pm

Michael,

I think where we divide in our thoughts is on the government entry into the fray. Personally, I don’t view the government or it’s programs in such a dim light. For instance, I see many, including John Boehner compare government healthcare to the post office. This is lost on me as in my opinion the post office does a good job considering the volume of mail they handle. I can remember dropping a letter in the mail at 3PM and having the recipient in Indianapolis calling me at 9AM the next day to discuss the letter. With that said, while I think a public option would be a good thing I have not drawn a line in the sand as some have demanding it. Personally I could live with the Switzerland system where insurance coverage is provided on an exchange where the government highly regulates the insurors and there is no public option.
As far as the individual answer center on individual establishing and controlling their own health care is well again and you will not receive no argument from me. I do have 2 concerns, however. First, should we ask people to arrange their own insurance in the current environment where the health insurors are a den of theives? Second, what of those through no fault of their own can either get insurance or who can barely afford it. There is a plethora of people who have lost their jobs in this economy and with unemployment at the 10% range not likely to obtain insurance coverage – and what of those with pre-existing conditions? As far as costs, I have a friend who has to purchase his health insurance from a state plan that costs him $1,000 monthly. These are my concerns with asking individuals to do it on their own.

Jerry

July 14th, 2009
11:47 pm

Oops a typo. The following:Second, what of those through no fault of their own can – should read can’t instead of can.

Jerry

July 14th, 2009
11:58 pm

I just looked at the web site for Group Healthcare that Michael brought to our attn. Not a bad idea if others have the time to look at it. It is late and intend to look at it closer tomorrow. In the meantime I am an old man and I am getting sleepy. To all a BIG goodnight and may God bless each and everyone of you.

Michael H. Smith

July 15th, 2009
12:18 am

You’re correct on our division over government involvement, my dim view of government, actually of all the politicians therein, you might say is an acquired distaste. They’ve all made me a distrustful believer over the course of a lifetime in government.

The Group Healthcare that I brought up should be rightly credited to Sen. Conrad who at the request of Sen. Baucus was asked to come-up with an alternative plan to offer in lieu the government ran public option. He uses this Washington State Healthcare Co Op as an example is my understanding. It would be the most reasonable bi-partisan approach to bridging the current political gaps that exist between the two major political. More than a few Republicans are on board with this concept of Co Op healthcare already.

http://conrad.senate.gov/pressroom/record.cfm?id=315210

Michael H. Smith

July 15th, 2009
12:21 am

Bedtime for me too as the typos probably indicate.

JMH

July 15th, 2009
7:13 am

Where is this overwhelming support for government healthcare? Honestly i’m pretty happy with the healthcare plan I have. Not perfect but certainly much better than a Government plan. Be careful what you wish for you just might get it. This country is going down the toilet quickly! Let’s keep punishing the people in this country that suceed and actually work hard and create jobs and see where we end up! I never thought I would say this but I think we would have been much better off if Hillary was elected. What in the hell are we doing???

Ken

July 15th, 2009
7:35 am

Wow

Hey Wooten, My goodness you are an ignorant man. I just stumbled across your article. WOW

A good measure of intelligence is by ones understanding of the difference between opinion and fact.

You are sadly lacking in this understanding.

Why does the AJC produce this stuff ?

Robards

July 15th, 2009
8:47 am

So let me get this straight: the same numbnuts in Congress who ramrodded a Stimulus Bill through without even reading it now want to do the same with nearly 20% of the entire US economy. Then these knuckle draggers think they can do it all with just taxing the evil rich:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aUVZeh_GVBYM

Get a load of Charles Rangel. Ironic he’s flapping his gums on taxes when he himself “forgot” to pay them on income from rental housing. What is it with Democrats and not paying their own taxes but forcing others to pay MORE for their own America-destroying public/socialist monstrosities of government?

It’s beyond outrageous.

Robards

July 15th, 2009
8:52 am

“Where is this overwhelming support for government healthcare? Honestly i’m pretty happy with the healthcare plan I have. Not perfect but certainly much better than a Government plan.”

JMH: do you think these Dimwits running things care about how happy YOU are? Please. Over 75% of Americans already say they are happy with their plan; of the 48 million the Dimwits always bedwet about not having insurance, most are illegal or temporary non-resident aliens, able to buy health insurance and choose not to (buying a big screen LCD instead), and are actually happy with the free care they get now. But those facts don’t make for good Dimwit crises needed government step in, control, and higher taxes now, does it? Who was that numbnut Dimwit that said never let a crisis go to waste? Morons. And that goes for every last voter who put these knuckle draggers in control.

Photius

July 15th, 2009
8:53 am

Reagan: Trippled our National Debt; never submitted a balanced budget
Bush I: Huge deficits, never submitted a balanced budget
Clinton: Submitted two budgets with surpluses and left office with a surplus
Bush II: Doubled our national debt

Now you right wingers get religion? You hold no water…. go away.

Peter

July 15th, 2009
9:13 am

Well I guess as Georgia has the worst Unemployment rate in it’s HISTORY……..

Time to get the Republican’s out of the Governor’s mansion…….

Sonny has doubled his net worth, won’t tell Georgian’s about his loans, hasn’t done anything about Traffic problems, pushed through his OWN Pork agenda’s, and has basically worked for himself and not the people of Georgia…….

TYPICAL !

Jackie

July 15th, 2009
9:24 am

With rising unemployment, a corresponding rising in health insurance premiums via COBRA follows.

How can any of us sustain a static or diminished health care service with the increased cost?

clyde

July 15th, 2009
9:29 am

Today is day three of The Sotomayer Circus.I concluded way back at the beginning that Sotomayer would be confirmed.I don’t like it,but she’s done nothing to sway Democrats to vote against her.Republicans are making fools of themselves with their posturing on this issue…

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

July 15th, 2009
9:38 am

DEMOCRAPS LET THE EVIL REPUBLICANS DIG THEIR GRAVE,THE REDNECKS ARE NOW OUTNUMBERED!

Copyleft

July 15th, 2009
10:09 am

The overwhelming support is for a single-payer system, which sadly the spineless Democrats are refusing to consider because they still want to preserve our broken system and appease the insurance industry.

This is the same sad mess that Bill Clinton got us into the last time healthcare reform was considered… a halfhearted approach instead of a real and workable change. Sad.

Single-payer remains the best solution, but the lobbyists have a stranglehold on the folks who are SUPPOSED to be “our” representatives.

slider

July 15th, 2009
12:48 pm

“Reagan: Trippled our National Debt; never submitted a balanced budget
Bush I: Huge deficits, never submitted a balanced budget
Clinton: Submitted two budgets with surpluses and left office with a surplus
Bush II: Doubled our national debt Now you right wingers get religion? You hold no water…. go away.”

Clinton only submitted a budget after strong arming by Newt’s Congress. And you say nothing about Obama Administration spending more in his first year of office than Bush II could ever have dreamed of in ALL EIGHT YEARS? No, YOU jerk0ffs on the left hold no water – all you people hold is a p-i-s-s bucket which is all this nation will have left under your USA-destroying policies. Do any of you moonbatics honestly believe this new health care bill will not cost tens of thousands of jobs? Never mind you moonbatics believing that you can just tax the rich to pay for everything, many of whom are business owners. Mindless dullards. And we aren’t even getting into Cap And Trade, the first stimulus, and a second stimulus now being thought up. It’s unbelievable how you jackasses can bring up former Republican administrations with the WORST government programs in this HISTORY of this nation.

slider

July 15th, 2009
12:52 pm

slider

July 15th, 2009
12:56 pm

Republicans iron out the details in the Dimwitocrat incompetence of government running US health care:

http://docs.house.gov/gopleader/House-Democrats-Health-Plan.pdf

Priceless.

Copyleft

July 15th, 2009
12:58 pm

Slider: It certainly is–compared to the U.S. alternative.

New York Times headline–”Tens of thousands of poor Americans suffer lifelong agony with no treatment whatsoever, and no hope of ever affording any.”

Delays… or no treatment ever? Seems like a pretty straightforward choice.

slider

July 15th, 2009
1:15 pm

Copyskank: So, destroy what 86% of the US population has and over 70% are happy with, just so a tiny minority can have access. You people are Unamericanly disgusting beyond the word. But, we all know what its really about: income redistribution. Got news for ya Dimwitocrats: you won’t be able to blame Bush for a DAMN THING when this takes the US ecocnomy to hell. It’s your baby. You own it AND the forthcoming ramifications. Just like Cap & Trade.

“More than a million small business owners and about two-thirds of the profits earned by U.S. small businesses would be hit by the income tax increase on the “rich” that House Democratic leaders want to enact to pay for the health-care reform plan President Obama wants passed this summer, a taxpayer watchdog says. Ryan Ellis, director of tax policy for Americans for Tax Reform, calculated that 1.09 million of 21.5 million small business owners would see a one- to three-percent surtax on their profits in order to fund the House of Representatives’ trillion-dollar health care reform bill.”

Okay all mouth breathing libDimwitocrat droolers who believe there won’t be lost jobs here please go drive off a cliff on your own – like this chap did:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/14/arizona.grand.canyon.death/index.html

But whatever you do, don’t take the rest of us off the cliff with you like the mindless sheep you are.

clyde

July 15th, 2009
1:18 pm

So an alternative to health care could be assisted suicide.Cheaper in the long run.My mother would have chosen this method had it been available.Dead of cancer at 72.She suffered needlessly.2 months of torture.She had good health care but all it did was keep her alive so she could suffer longer.Her words were that Jack Kervorkian definitely had a place in this world.People like him were necessary.Those were her words.Unsolicited.Without anyone asking her.

retiredds

July 15th, 2009
1:37 pm

Jim, your article confirms that you should retire, tomorrow. Your narrow focus makes you so biased that any person of reason writes you off as a sore loser.

clyde

July 15th, 2009
2:16 pm

We of no particular reason enjoy Jim Wooten’s coulumns.For no particular reason,I guess.One thing we of no reason don’t do though is complain on other blogs we don’t care for.We just don’t go there.There must be a reason for this.

Copyleft

July 15th, 2009
3:18 pm

Sorry, slider, but we REAL Americans (i.e., liberals) are in charge of the country now. Don’t like it? Leave.

Mac

July 15th, 2009
3:22 pm

When, you reckon, will Kyle “Right” Wingfield take over this establishment from its semi-retired founder?

Jerry

July 15th, 2009
4:28 pm

So, destroy what 86% of the US population has and over 70% are happy with, just so a tiny minority can have access. Slider

I’m am sitting here thinking of something positive to say about this statement but I am finding words hard to come up with. This is such a harsh statement and I truly hope Slider isn’t this cold hearted. In response I would say that finding a way to provide health care to those less fortunate than the 86% does not necessarily mean destroying what the 86% have.
I also wish we could discuss the merits of this debate without slipping into the same demagoguery that we find our elected officials locked in. Why can’t we rise above the politicians and treat the folks with a different view than our own with respect even if we don’t agree?

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 15th, 2009
6:25 pm

Palin defecates and urinates all over herself like a lobotomized dog again.

federal auditors notified Alaska officials on June 26, nearly three weeks ago. And there had already been half dozen lawsuits filed before that. But we didn’t hear a peep out of Moron Palin about this scandal while she was explaining why she’s bailing out or going fishing.

The Anchorage Daily News just broke a story about a scandal in Alaska’s administration of the Medicaid programs. It seems federal auditors have suspend parts of the program because of gross mismanagement by Alaska officials that was leaving hundreds untreated and may have resluted in over 200 deaths while patients were waiting for treatment.

“State programs intended to help disabled and elderly Alaskans with daily life — taking a bath, eating dinner, getting to the bathroom — are so poorly managed, the state cannot assure the health and well-being of the people they are supposed to serve, a new federal review found.

The situation is so bad the federal government has forbidden the state to sign up new people until the state makes necessary improvements.

No other state in the nation is under such a moratorium, according to a spokeswoman for the federal Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services.

In the meantime, frail and vulnerable Alaskans who desperately need the help are struggling. One elderly woman is stuck in a nursing home, for lack of care at home. Another woman, suffering from chronic pain and fatigue, said she’s so weak, she often can’t even pop dinner into the microwave.

The moratorium is expected to last four or five months. State officials estimate about 1,000 Alaskans will be affected.

A particularly alarming finding concerns deaths of adults in the programs. In one 2 1/2 year stretch, 227 adults already getting services died while waiting for a nurse to reassess their needs. Another 27 died waiting for their initial assessment, to see if they qualified for help.”

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 15th, 2009
6:29 pm

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 15th, 2009
8:11 pm

Pubotards now claiming Sotamayor hangs with terrorists and rules for them. A careful analysis of her district court tenure and her appellate cases reveals as to criminal law she is more adv erse to criminal defendants than Scalia has been. She’ll fit in perfectly with white men Alito and Roberts who have never voted for a criminal defendant or for the defense bar in a single case.

Peter

July 15th, 2009
8:36 pm

Jim has failed to mention the MADE UP IRAQ War…which the Grand kids will be paying for !

Poor Jimm it must be tough getting old and forgetting about the Biggest, and most expensive waste of money, lives and US resources, brought to the US by the lying Bush administration !

“Faulty Intelligence” Jim or CIA Lies ? Brought to us by the Bush Administration !

slider

July 15th, 2009
9:13 pm

“Sorry, slider, but we REAL Americans (i.e., liberals) are in charge of the country now. Don’t like it? Leave.”

Hey Copyskank: it’s our nation too. Deal with it. You were the loyal opposition (and we allowed it) for 8 years, and now it’s going to be payback time for YOU disgusts on the modern left to catch hell. Don’t like it? TOUGH. Oh and just so you know, your idea of being a “REAL” American in not an American in the traditional sense of freedom and LIMITED GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION. GFY.

“I’m am sitting here thinking of something positive to say about this statement but I am finding words hard to come up with. This is such a harsh statement and I truly hope Slider isn’t this cold hearted. In response I would say that finding a way to provide health care to those less fortunate than the 86% does not necessarily mean destroying what the 86% have.”

Hate to break REALITY to you, Larry, but that is EXACTLY what is going to happen. Taking a LOT of jobs and quality doctors with it. Wake up. Look around. You think these libDimocrats running things really give a DAMN about you? It’s about power and control. If you want to be a part of the downfall of America, just keep supporting these incompetent idiots on the left running things. And then you and Copyskank can build a campfire and blame Republicans on the demise of America.

slider

July 15th, 2009
9:21 pm

Oh and one other thing Jerry (not Larry): only about 10 million of the estimated 48 million uninsured TRULY deserve government health care assistance. Ever heard of vouchers? The rest are illegals, people who CHOOSE to not have a plan when they CAN afford it, and others not qualified for assistance. There are ways to help that 10 million in true need WITHOUT destroying 20% of the economy and turning it over to government. Medicare and Social Security is working out so well, isn’t it? But the problem with you liberals is that you can’t manage critical thinking like that. It’s all about emotions with you people and not facts. But, we already know that.

Beancap Liberal

July 16th, 2009
8:37 am

In order to save on health care costs and to save other government programs, the Obama Administration has begun offering the public health care option via the following new health care delivery methods:

* All Primary Care Physicians will be offering care and treatment at every local US Post Office in order to better support Postal Reform. Postal delivery on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Medical care on Tuesdays and Thursdays; no Tuesday care if Monday is a Federal Holiday.

* All recently closed auto factories of Chrysler and GN will be converted into Health Care Surgerical Assembly operations for assembly line type healh services, with separate assembly departments for:

Waiting Line for Waiting Line, Triage, Intake/1040-type form, Waiting Line, Government Assessment, Waiting Line, Prioritization, Stamping, Waiting Line, Fluids Flush, Waiting Line, Body Work, Test Walk, Waiting Line, New Fluids Insertion, Collection of Large Co-pays

* All Medical transportation from one smaller medical assembly plant to a more specialized medical assembly plant will be offloaded to Amtrak. All non-ICU patients will be offered coach service without specialized medical assistance.

All ICU patients will be transported in Stimulus funded, newly refurnished Amtrack high speed Mail Cars, recently purchased on eBay from the former USSRs Trans-Siberian Socialist Medical Mail Car stock. (USSR-TRS-MMC)

* Consumer financing for the enormous co-pays, out of network payments, cost of all specialized tests, cost all overnight hospital stays, and Amtrack transportation will be available through a government-run Fannie/Freddie funding pool (FFFP), financed by consumer taxes, business taxes, soda taxes, haircut and nail taxes, internet taxes, breath taxes, personal co2 emissions taxes, public restroom stall taxes, hetero-sex taxes, Fox Channel viewing taxes, death taxes, life after death taxes ( pre-dated and payable before death).

* All new doctors will be government employees, that will be eligible for repayment of government education loans after at least 20 years of service in the Postal Medical Offices (PMO’s), and 10 years service in Soviet style Amtrack Postal Mail ICU Service cars.

* All Government Run Universal Wellness and Preventation Act programs will feature the more popular programs such as forced marches once a week, polar swim once a month, daily 10 mile walk to work, manditory cap and trade for personal co2 emissions, no sugar, no bacon, no smokes, no drink, no running, non-co2 breathing, no BO, no iceberg lettuce, no racing, no red meat, no fries, no potatoes, no milk shakes, no fun, no hetero sex, and no internet.

Peter

July 16th, 2009
9:19 am

The demise of America started with the Bush Administration and the 3 Trillion Dollar WAR Jim and the Republican’s won’t talk about, while allowing the infrastructure of America to continue to crumble.

They also won’t talk about how to fund the War which is way more expensive than the budget deficit.

Jim won’t mention that the WAR will be a problem the Grand Kids will have to pay for.

Jim doesn’t care about the large percentage of American’s that are barely making it, along with the fact Millions of American’s are without health care.

Jerry

July 16th, 2009
11:24 am

Slider now calls me a liberal. Those on the right that I know call me that too. Those that I know on the left say I am a neocon. Being in the middle can’t please anyone when everything is so polarized.

clyde

July 16th, 2009
11:34 am

Health care bill due a fight in the House.This could get interesting.If this doesn’t pass,whence goes Obama?

Last day before Sotomayer’s confirmation.From now on we consider empathy in our law decisions.Especially those wise Latina women.Never mind the law if you feel differently about it.Just go with you gut feeling.

Things are developing in Afganistan concerning a captured soldier.The Taleban are threating to kill him.I say let their actions concerning this soldier set the future rules of engagement for this war.Should this soldier be executed,I see no reason to take Talebani prisoners.We may need to get to their level before they understand us.

booger

July 16th, 2009
1:51 pm

Please run Palin,

See you are throwing around the trillions figure for Iraq again. TOTAL COST OF IRAQ WAR BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR 694 BILLION. Last week you said you didn’t trust the number because Congress was lying and they were stupid. Interesting to see the turnaround in one week as we can go to the bank with all their health care cost predictions.

You just kinda make things up as you go, don’t you?

Georgia Porkers Saxby & Johnny

July 16th, 2009
2:22 pm

What do you expect from porkers who only want to buy votes?

Our political hacks (politicians) in congress have just shown why they are bankrupting out country. The panderers are voting to build more UNNEEDED F-22’s which the Air Force says they DO NOT need and have never been used in combat. They are overwiight, problem prone and way overpriced. The hacks are pushing the pork only to buy votes PERIOD and should be thrown out of office!!!

Michael H. Smith

July 16th, 2009
4:44 pm

booger

July 16th, 2009
1:51 pm

“just kinda make things up”?

That is the ultimate understatement for all time and eternity. :lol:

Munch

July 16th, 2009
6:07 pm

Since Wooten is sort of tapering off his productivity, what with nodding off while he types and waking up to find that his position has evaporated on the winds of change while he sleeps, I thought I would offer the old coot a little friendly help with his next blog post the Cox family doesn’t cut him off and make him find his own health insurance.

Speaking of which, the AMA has come out in full support of the House version of the healthcare reform bill, complete with the public option that has the knuckledraggers crying “SOCIALISM!!!!”.

But even better, since Jim can’t point to those stalwart defenders of state prerogative Palin and Sanford anymore, what with their somewhat, um, erratic behaviors, maybe Jim will bring us more about Texas Gov Rick Perry, who stood tall and refused that commie stimulus money. (We’ll ignore his inconvenient calls for secession, m’kay?)

Wait, what’s that? News came in while Wooten was sleeping?!?! What’s that you say?

Texas is now asking the federal government for a $170 million loan so that benefits keep getting paid. [...]

Texas is expected to request $650 million, roughly $100 million more than Perry initially rejected.

Never mind, move along, nothing to see here.

It’s times like these when Wootie types out another thumbsucker about how those darker-skinned babies need to have a daddy in the home.

Palin in 2012 Make Our Day!

July 16th, 2009
6:18 pm

Please run Palin,

See you are throwing around the trillions figure for Iraq again. TOTAL COST OF IRAQ WAR BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR 694 BILLION. Last week you said you didn’t trust the number because Congress was lying and they were stupid. Interesting to see the turnaround in one week as we can go to the bank with all their health care cost predictions.

You just kinda make things up as you go, don’t you?

Booger–that’s been your mantra for a couple weeks. Its f_cking insulting and intended to be. You refuse to read and you ignore that I always state my references, citations of authority, or reasons or sources for the reasons I make a point. It’s near impossible to have a discussion or even an argument here because people like you

a) won’t read
b) ignore the sources I use and I always use them
c) Pretend I pull them out of the air or somewhere else
d) Focus on saying someone you don’t agree with is worthless.

I’m pretty happy with my level of reading and sources considering the time I have to do it. IRAQ was a dumb f_cking idea pushed by morons.

I’ve said several times I reject your figures. I’ve posted my references all in one neat book but you are too lazy to get off your butt and thumb through the book.

One thing I always do I cite my sources. I don’t “make figures up.” I’m not going to argue about it–if you need to get someone literate to read my posts to you or not.

And get real. You can’t do a damn thing about what gets spent or what gets hidden from Congress. You can either pay taxes, cheat on them, or ignore taxes. Your choice. You can put your money in a place like UBS Switzerland and take your chances as to whether they’ll turn you over for prosecution. See if DOJ will indict them or not or whether the major tax evaders or all of em get turned over.

Whatever the figure is, and the book you pretend I haven’t mentioned several times is my source for money spent.

Even if it were less than a trillion, it is money wasted,lives wasted, and there are 3 million plus widows with kids displaced from Iraq. It gets worse every day. We are pushing 5000 dead in Iraq and Afghanistan with road side IEDs easy to hide there.

I don’t have time to explain it to you but the money $1.75+ billion that Chambliss wants to waste on the F22 would go a long way toward getting the head /brain protection for soldiers that exists but isn’t in Iraq or Afghanistan and the money could prevent a large number of permanant severe brain injuries from IEDs.

We’re going to veto the ignorant cracker Chambliss.

Palin in 2012 Make Our Day!

July 16th, 2009
7:04 pm

@ Booger–

Get off your butt. Check the extensive references in this book or not. I haven’t made them up and I’ve linked it about 15 times here in the past several months.

@ Booger:

Haul your butt to the nearest bookstore and sit down and look at it Booger or not. I read it. I didn’t make the book up; and I don’t waste my time reading books that aren’t well reference and written by people with expertise in the area. I didn’t “make any of this up.”

The 3 Tillion Dollar War (and Pushing 4 Trillion)

Joe Stiglitz is a well known economist at Columbia and has been a full professor since coming there. That tends to happen to Nobel Prize winners who go to the faculty of Ivy League schools. He’s former Chief Economist at the World Bank. He won the Nobel Prize in Economics in 2001.

He can count and probably a helluva lot better than you can.

Booger keep us posted when you get the Nobel in Economics.

And Obama doesn’t take orders from washed up hick Zell Miller–he’s had a bit more political success and will soon have infinitely more accomplisments than Jaw Jaw Zell.

1stGeorgiaPeach

July 16th, 2009
8:27 pm

Can you people be anymore stupid! Those of you who justify Obama’s deficit by attempting to compare it with Reagan’s . . well you’re just plan stupid! If you truly believe that Reagan’s deficit was so bad . . then how in the hell do you justify Obama’s! So Reagan had a deficit . . does that make Obama’s super stupendeous deficit ok? I think not.
And having worked with one of the state’s largest employee health care plan I can tell you there are a lot of folks who have chosen not to have health care because they would rather have the money to get their hair and nails done. They don’t have a clue that there might come a day when they might truly be sick . . and not just with a cold but a devasting disease.
If you folks who complained about HMOs a few years back because the HMOs wouldn’t pay for this or that . . well honey you ain’t seen nothing yet until government gets control of your health care. Have any of you ever heard of managed care? I have seen my health benefits decrease and my premiums go up and up and the health plan has tried to control the rising costs my utilization and managed care. But so many people are wanting services they don’t really need and they are wanting the drugs they see advertised on tv.
Oh and all you ya-hoos who want to complain about the money spent on the Iraq war . . well you didn’t complain as long as the economy was rocking along and everybody was getting their “American Dream” . . . even those who had bad credit, no down payments and only had to pay the interest on their mortgages (thanks to Clinton, Barney Frank, Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac).
I think you blind Obama smitten folks can’t see your nose on your face. If you don’t wake up it is going to be too late.
This economy didn’t get this bad thanks to Bush . . . he just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time . . he had to deal with what was passed on to him from the demos and deal with the terrorist who were and are still out to do us in.

Palin in 2012 Make Our Day!

July 16th, 2009
11:16 pm

Yeah we’re stupid allright 1stPeachSchmutz. That’s intelligent commenting. I’ve never seen a more delusional set of disjointed comments. Are you possibly in the Palin family?You’re exhibit “A” as an example of Georgia perenially last in education at any school level.

Raegan had 8 years. Obama hasn’t had 7 months yet. Raegan, Gingrich, Phil Graham 12 fooking years as Chairman of Senate Finance–old man Greenspan Mr. Andrea Mitchell deregulated the financial system into the ground. The Newtster–is he at 3% fopr 2012 or is it 1.5%.

Obama doesn’t have a deficit yet. He’s still cleaning up Bush’s dog sh_t and the dog sh_t of his treasury secretaries and the Bush SEC that did such a great job of regulating Madoff. TARP is owned by Raegan and it’s screwing you harder and more anorgasmically than you’ve ever been in your life.

You sound like a real medical powerhouse. Having taken care of patients my entire adult life–I know it couldn’t qualify as nearly as complex as your HMO whatever I haven’t seen a statement you’ve made about health care that isn’t delusional.

That’s your assessment of the healthcare landscape–LOL–you know that people got their “hair and nails done” and didn’t consider that they might be sick. That’s fantastic. It’s also the reason why you won’t be making any health care decisions and neither will your party. We need 51 votes only per reconciliation and we have them in spades. I don’t know what you think you saw as an HMO employee but physicians have seen 20,000 people who paid for insurance cut by the Big 3 in the last five years–the term is recision, but I’m fine with “kicked out.”

We have some of the worst outcomes and the largest health care overruns in the world. I’m plenty confident with a public health care plan as are the majority of physicians in this country. It’s about time insurance companies had competition. And as you’re going to hear for the next 3 months, if the pubtards and the insurance companies are so confident the government can’t run a competitive program against the insurance companies, then no doubt the government public health alternative will collapse right? And the insurnace companies will be all alone calling the shots, screwing MDs and patients with phony data bases.

You’re stereotype of “blind Obama folks” is typically Jaw Jaw hick. Obama has a worse civil rights record at this point than Bush. I read all the appellate filings that you wouldn’t have a clue how to find and read, and right now without anyone running OLC (I know you don’t have a clue what that is) Obama is functioning in court to the right of Bush.

Bush didn’t happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. He flew every aspect of government including the economy and foreign relations into the ground. The person who is at the wrong place at the wrong time is you yammering.

So Palin’s your gal is that right? She’s afraid of interviews and she wrote an op ed in WaPo that was dumb as a rock. Who’s your candidate in 2012? They’re all dead men walking and one woman with severe untreated Borderline Personality–get your HMO to help you look it up or Google John Gunderson.

BTW the first of about 15 lawsuits that Ricci filed was an affirmative action law suit based on the grounds that he was dyslexic.

1stGeorgiaPeach

July 17th, 2009
11:49 am

Palin in 2012 Make Our Day! You must be one of those who got your education when all the educational standards were lowered so that you could make the grade in school. Only thing is those like you didn’t stay in school because it was easier to go out and smash and grab and make money on the street selling drugs, etc.
As far as your statement of those individuals who would rather get their nails and hair done than to pay their health insurance premiums. . I do know for a fact that was the case because I dealt with them on a daily basis. And as soon as they had an illness that called for more treatment than an office visit would take care of . . . they came whinning wanting to pick up insurance (BTW that is like waiting until you have a car accident and calling an auto insurer and expecting them to give you insurance. . duh!!!!) You obviously don’t recall (maybe it is because you are still wet behind the ears) the uproar a few years or so ago when the HMOs were trying to manage health care and everyone was upset because they couldn’t get the HMOs to pay for every whim that everybody thought they had to have. Until you work in the health care area I don’t think you have a clue! So why don’t you stick with something you know about like the taxing, increasing the deficit more than all the presidents before, run our health care system in the ground to cover a few people who choose not to have cover demos . . . I would imagine your IQ is about the same as Pelosi’s and Barney Frank’s!!!
So what are you so afraid of . . Palin! Those of you who go on and on about Palin are obviously so afraid of her!!! If you think she is as dumb as a rock . . I’d put her up against that smiling like a jack a– Pelosi anytime!!!
Oh yes, one finally thing. . .the dog sh_t you refer to was created by the Demos like Clinton, Barney Frank and his cronies at Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac . . . long before Bush arrived on the scene. So kiss my grits!!!

1stGeorgiaPeach

July 17th, 2009
12:32 pm

Palin in 2012 Make Our Day! “Raegan had 8 years. Obama hasn’t had 7 months yet.” (BTW it is Reagan . . not Raegan) . . you just made my point . . look at the crap that Obama has done in 7 months . . can hardly wait for the rest of his term if we live so long especially after he turns us into a weak, inflation, depend on the gov’ment nation!
Also. . I’m not concerned about 2012 . . like you demos obviously are since you seem to dwell on it so much . . I frankly don’t care who runs then . . . I may not even be around when Obama finishes with his health care plan and his international policies . . . and you may not be either!

Crush Pubs

July 17th, 2009
2:39 pm

I’ll be around long after Obama’s 8 years are finished and so will my patients.

Dr. Pandey

July 19th, 2009
8:09 pm

Agree with the time past on discussion with the healthcare. The reason we are struggling is that everyone wants to put a patch and not solve the problem really.

And may be they can not. Imagine the money in the healthcare that is flowing is creating job. You cut cost and these jobs that should not have been there in the first place would go away. Who wants more unemployment?

Yes, it sounds short term but that is reality.

For that reason, healthcare reform has to be phased in. And the reform can not happen till as a nation we decide what we want to be. What is that ideal healthcare system we want to design?

Only then we can have a meaningful dialoge.

THe cost cutting aspect is simple and also we do not need any more money to solve the problem. We already have more money than we need. In my experience, if you improve the performance of healthcare industry including administrative waste, there is money to take care of all and still have some change left.

We wrote few ideas on our blog on healthcare reform on our blog that may be a more reasonable…..

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Deborah

July 23rd, 2009
4:36 pm

We did it, Reid just announced we have until fall to STOP OBAMA, but fall is not that far away folks.STOP SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.
Tort reform, salaried staff, increased sanctions and oversight on fraud, team oriented care, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
Information is out there saying that the actual people who really are uninsured (excluding non-citizens and those who can afford it but chose not to get it) is really around 17-20 million, which is different to the 45-50 million people that Obummer and admin claim.
The American people and a more bi-partisan group of elected officials can will come up with way to “reform” our current system.
NO NATIONAL HEALTH CARE = NO SOCIALIZED MEDICINE
GOD BLESS AMERICA

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