Will Blue Dogs contain health care tab?

Nine months into the new fiscal year and five months into the presidency of Barack Obama, the  federal deficit has hit $1 trillion for the first time in history.  Take note, children, and stop goofing off in school, demanding feel-good, esteem-raising “A’s” for “C-minus” work.  You’ve a heavy debt burden to finance over the course of your working lives, with a far heavier debt burden yet to come.

Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives add to that burden with a proposal expected today for national health care legislation.  While politicians play games with cost and with financing schemes that are alleged to include $155 billion in future savings from payments to hospitals, the truth is that whatever they come up with will exceed another trillion dollars over a decade.   President Obama says those costs won’t be borne by the middle class.  The Nancy Pelosi Democrats propose to get financing from “the rich.”   Fat chance. “The rich” can avoid taxes, in part by moving cash to government-favored enterprises.  It’s the wage-earner and the owners of mom-and-pop businesses that get socked.

Democrats have full ownership of national government, so they’re prefectly free to be as irresponsible as they choose.  This is a key test, however, for a group of about 40 Democrats like U.S. Rep. Jim Marshall of Macon and to a lesser extent U.S. Rep. John Barrow of Savannah.  Marshall represents a Middle Georgia district that’s competitive.  If he gets too deep into Pelosi politics, he’s gone.  About three dozen or more of his colleagues are in the same boat.

Ordinarily, because Democrats own Congress, leadership and the so-called “Blue Dog Democrats” play a game.  When Pelosi needs them, they’re there.  When she has votes to spare, they walk, voting with the opposition.  A trillion-dollar entitlement built on funny-money and pretend-savings has to be too much for the Blue Dogs to stomach.

Right now, they’re all that stands between the ambitions of this generation of liberal politicians and the quality-of-life stealing debt burden being shifted to our children and grand-children.  So, young esteem-seekers, when school officials offer to erase incorrect answers on CRCT tests of subject competence and replace them with right answers, beg them not to.  You actually need to know the classroom stuff to get a good job (in government or health care, the ones that will be available) to help finance the enormous debt burden coming your way.

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Michael H. Smith

July 14th, 2009
11:13 pm

Oops…. A thousand pardons for not posting that link, Jerry:

http://www.ghc.org/

jacksmith

July 14th, 2009
11:14 pm

THIS IS IT!

The healthcare reform bill released by the House Of Representatives is an excellent bill as I understand it. It is carefully written, and thoughtfully constructed, informed, prudent and wise.

This is the type of bill that all Americans can feel good about. And this is the type of bill that has the potential to dramatically improve the quality of healthcare for all Americans. Rich, middle class and poor a like. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and all other party affiliations. This bill has the potential to dramatically improve the quality of life of every American.

The house healthcare bill should be viewed as the minimum GOLD STANDARD by which all other proposed healthcare legislation should be judged. All supporters of true high quality healthcare reform should now place all your support behind this healthcare reform bill released by the United States House Of Representatives, as the minimum Gold standard for healthcare reform in America.

You should all now support this bill with all your might, and all of your unrelenting tenacity. This healthcare bill is a VERY, VERY GOOD! bill for all of the American people. Fight tooth, and nail for every bit of this bill if you have too. Be aggressive, creative, and relentless for this bill.

AND FIGHT!! like your life and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. BECAUSE IT DOES!

SPREAD THE WORD

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSM8t_cLZgk&feature=player_embedded)

God Bless You

Jack Smith — Working Class

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 14th, 2009
11:14 pm

Gingrich, Phil Gramm, Paulson, Bush, Greenspan who dat? The pubtards pretend they had nothing to do with the economic clusterfook.

Jerry

July 14th, 2009
11:43 pm

Michael,

I think where we divide in our thoughts is on the government entry into the fray. Personally, I don’t view the government or it’s programs in such a dim light. For instance, I see many, including John Boehner compare government healthcare to the post office. This is lost on me as in my opinion the post office does a good job considering the volume of mail they handle. I can remember dropping a letter in the mail at 3PM and having the recipient in Indianapolis calling me at 9AM the next day to discuss the letter. With that said, while I think a public option would be a good thing I have not drawn a line in the sand as some have demanding it. Personally I could live with the Switzerland system where insurance coverage is provided on an exchange where the government highly regulates the insurors and there is no public option.
As far as the individual answer center on individual establishing and controlling their own health care is well again and you will not receive no argument from me. I do have 2 concerns, however. First, should we ask people to arrange their own insurance in the current environment where the health insurors are a den of theives? Second, what of those through no fault of their own can either get insurance or who can barely afford it. There is a plethora of people who have lost their jobs in this economy and with unemployment at the 10% range not likely to obtain insurance coverage – and what of those with pre-existing conditions? As far as costs, I have a friend who has to purchase his health insurance from a state plan that costs him $1,000 monthly. These are my concerns with asking individuals to do it on their own.

Jerry

July 14th, 2009
11:47 pm

Oops a typo. The following:Second, what of those through no fault of their own can – should read can’t instead of can.

Jerry

July 14th, 2009
11:58 pm

I just looked at the web site for Group Healthcare that Michael brought to our attn. Not a bad idea if others have the time to look at it. It is late and intend to look at it closer tomorrow. In the meantime I am an old man and I am getting sleepy. To all a BIG goodnight and may God bless each and everyone of you.

Michael H. Smith

July 15th, 2009
12:18 am

You’re correct on our division over government involvement, my dim view of government, actually of all the politicians therein, you might say is an acquired distaste. They’ve all made me a distrustful believer over the course of a lifetime in government.

The Group Healthcare that I brought up should be rightly credited to Sen. Conrad who at the request of Sen. Baucus was asked to come-up with an alternative plan to offer in lieu the government ran public option. He uses this Washington State Healthcare Co Op as an example is my understanding. It would be the most reasonable bi-partisan approach to bridging the current political gaps that exist between the two major political. More than a few Republicans are on board with this concept of Co Op healthcare already.

http://conrad.senate.gov/pressroom/record.cfm?id=315210

Michael H. Smith

July 15th, 2009
12:21 am

Bedtime for me too as the typos probably indicate.

JMH

July 15th, 2009
7:13 am

Where is this overwhelming support for government healthcare? Honestly i’m pretty happy with the healthcare plan I have. Not perfect but certainly much better than a Government plan. Be careful what you wish for you just might get it. This country is going down the toilet quickly! Let’s keep punishing the people in this country that suceed and actually work hard and create jobs and see where we end up! I never thought I would say this but I think we would have been much better off if Hillary was elected. What in the hell are we doing???

Ken

July 15th, 2009
7:35 am

Wow

Hey Wooten, My goodness you are an ignorant man. I just stumbled across your article. WOW

A good measure of intelligence is by ones understanding of the difference between opinion and fact.

You are sadly lacking in this understanding.

Why does the AJC produce this stuff ?

Robards

July 15th, 2009
8:47 am

So let me get this straight: the same numbnuts in Congress who ramrodded a Stimulus Bill through without even reading it now want to do the same with nearly 20% of the entire US economy. Then these knuckle draggers think they can do it all with just taxing the evil rich:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aUVZeh_GVBYM

Get a load of Charles Rangel. Ironic he’s flapping his gums on taxes when he himself “forgot” to pay them on income from rental housing. What is it with Democrats and not paying their own taxes but forcing others to pay MORE for their own America-destroying public/socialist monstrosities of government?

It’s beyond outrageous.

Robards

July 15th, 2009
8:52 am

“Where is this overwhelming support for government healthcare? Honestly i’m pretty happy with the healthcare plan I have. Not perfect but certainly much better than a Government plan.”

JMH: do you think these Dimwits running things care about how happy YOU are? Please. Over 75% of Americans already say they are happy with their plan; of the 48 million the Dimwits always bedwet about not having insurance, most are illegal or temporary non-resident aliens, able to buy health insurance and choose not to (buying a big screen LCD instead), and are actually happy with the free care they get now. But those facts don’t make for good Dimwit crises needed government step in, control, and higher taxes now, does it? Who was that numbnut Dimwit that said never let a crisis go to waste? Morons. And that goes for every last voter who put these knuckle draggers in control.

Photius

July 15th, 2009
8:53 am

Reagan: Trippled our National Debt; never submitted a balanced budget
Bush I: Huge deficits, never submitted a balanced budget
Clinton: Submitted two budgets with surpluses and left office with a surplus
Bush II: Doubled our national debt

Now you right wingers get religion? You hold no water…. go away.

Peter

July 15th, 2009
9:13 am

Well I guess as Georgia has the worst Unemployment rate in it’s HISTORY……..

Time to get the Republican’s out of the Governor’s mansion…….

Sonny has doubled his net worth, won’t tell Georgian’s about his loans, hasn’t done anything about Traffic problems, pushed through his OWN Pork agenda’s, and has basically worked for himself and not the people of Georgia…….

TYPICAL !

Jackie

July 15th, 2009
9:24 am

With rising unemployment, a corresponding rising in health insurance premiums via COBRA follows.

How can any of us sustain a static or diminished health care service with the increased cost?

clyde

July 15th, 2009
9:29 am

Today is day three of The Sotomayer Circus.I concluded way back at the beginning that Sotomayer would be confirmed.I don’t like it,but she’s done nothing to sway Democrats to vote against her.Republicans are making fools of themselves with their posturing on this issue…

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

July 15th, 2009
9:38 am

DEMOCRAPS LET THE EVIL REPUBLICANS DIG THEIR GRAVE,THE REDNECKS ARE NOW OUTNUMBERED!

Copyleft

July 15th, 2009
10:09 am

The overwhelming support is for a single-payer system, which sadly the spineless Democrats are refusing to consider because they still want to preserve our broken system and appease the insurance industry.

This is the same sad mess that Bill Clinton got us into the last time healthcare reform was considered… a halfhearted approach instead of a real and workable change. Sad.

Single-payer remains the best solution, but the lobbyists have a stranglehold on the folks who are SUPPOSED to be “our” representatives.

slider

July 15th, 2009
12:48 pm

“Reagan: Trippled our National Debt; never submitted a balanced budget
Bush I: Huge deficits, never submitted a balanced budget
Clinton: Submitted two budgets with surpluses and left office with a surplus
Bush II: Doubled our national debt Now you right wingers get religion? You hold no water…. go away.”

Clinton only submitted a budget after strong arming by Newt’s Congress. And you say nothing about Obama Administration spending more in his first year of office than Bush II could ever have dreamed of in ALL EIGHT YEARS? No, YOU jerk0ffs on the left hold no water – all you people hold is a p-i-s-s bucket which is all this nation will have left under your USA-destroying policies. Do any of you moonbatics honestly believe this new health care bill will not cost tens of thousands of jobs? Never mind you moonbatics believing that you can just tax the rich to pay for everything, many of whom are business owners. Mindless dullards. And we aren’t even getting into Cap And Trade, the first stimulus, and a second stimulus now being thought up. It’s unbelievable how you jackasses can bring up former Republican administrations with the WORST government programs in this HISTORY of this nation.

slider

July 15th, 2009
12:52 pm

slider

July 15th, 2009
12:56 pm

Republicans iron out the details in the Dimwitocrat incompetence of government running US health care:

http://docs.house.gov/gopleader/House-Democrats-Health-Plan.pdf

Priceless.

Copyleft

July 15th, 2009
12:58 pm

Slider: It certainly is–compared to the U.S. alternative.

New York Times headline–”Tens of thousands of poor Americans suffer lifelong agony with no treatment whatsoever, and no hope of ever affording any.”

Delays… or no treatment ever? Seems like a pretty straightforward choice.

slider

July 15th, 2009
1:15 pm

Copyskank: So, destroy what 86% of the US population has and over 70% are happy with, just so a tiny minority can have access. You people are Unamericanly disgusting beyond the word. But, we all know what its really about: income redistribution. Got news for ya Dimwitocrats: you won’t be able to blame Bush for a DAMN THING when this takes the US ecocnomy to hell. It’s your baby. You own it AND the forthcoming ramifications. Just like Cap & Trade.

“More than a million small business owners and about two-thirds of the profits earned by U.S. small businesses would be hit by the income tax increase on the “rich” that House Democratic leaders want to enact to pay for the health-care reform plan President Obama wants passed this summer, a taxpayer watchdog says. Ryan Ellis, director of tax policy for Americans for Tax Reform, calculated that 1.09 million of 21.5 million small business owners would see a one- to three-percent surtax on their profits in order to fund the House of Representatives’ trillion-dollar health care reform bill.”

Okay all mouth breathing libDimwitocrat droolers who believe there won’t be lost jobs here please go drive off a cliff on your own – like this chap did:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/14/arizona.grand.canyon.death/index.html

But whatever you do, don’t take the rest of us off the cliff with you like the mindless sheep you are.

clyde

July 15th, 2009
1:18 pm

So an alternative to health care could be assisted suicide.Cheaper in the long run.My mother would have chosen this method had it been available.Dead of cancer at 72.She suffered needlessly.2 months of torture.She had good health care but all it did was keep her alive so she could suffer longer.Her words were that Jack Kervorkian definitely had a place in this world.People like him were necessary.Those were her words.Unsolicited.Without anyone asking her.

retiredds

July 15th, 2009
1:37 pm

Jim, your article confirms that you should retire, tomorrow. Your narrow focus makes you so biased that any person of reason writes you off as a sore loser.

clyde

July 15th, 2009
2:16 pm

We of no particular reason enjoy Jim Wooten’s coulumns.For no particular reason,I guess.One thing we of no reason don’t do though is complain on other blogs we don’t care for.We just don’t go there.There must be a reason for this.

Copyleft

July 15th, 2009
3:18 pm

Sorry, slider, but we REAL Americans (i.e., liberals) are in charge of the country now. Don’t like it? Leave.

Mac

July 15th, 2009
3:22 pm

When, you reckon, will Kyle “Right” Wingfield take over this establishment from its semi-retired founder?

Jerry

July 15th, 2009
4:28 pm

So, destroy what 86% of the US population has and over 70% are happy with, just so a tiny minority can have access. Slider

I’m am sitting here thinking of something positive to say about this statement but I am finding words hard to come up with. This is such a harsh statement and I truly hope Slider isn’t this cold hearted. In response I would say that finding a way to provide health care to those less fortunate than the 86% does not necessarily mean destroying what the 86% have.
I also wish we could discuss the merits of this debate without slipping into the same demagoguery that we find our elected officials locked in. Why can’t we rise above the politicians and treat the folks with a different view than our own with respect even if we don’t agree?

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 15th, 2009
6:25 pm

Palin defecates and urinates all over herself like a lobotomized dog again.

federal auditors notified Alaska officials on June 26, nearly three weeks ago. And there had already been half dozen lawsuits filed before that. But we didn’t hear a peep out of Moron Palin about this scandal while she was explaining why she’s bailing out or going fishing.

The Anchorage Daily News just broke a story about a scandal in Alaska’s administration of the Medicaid programs. It seems federal auditors have suspend parts of the program because of gross mismanagement by Alaska officials that was leaving hundreds untreated and may have resluted in over 200 deaths while patients were waiting for treatment.

“State programs intended to help disabled and elderly Alaskans with daily life — taking a bath, eating dinner, getting to the bathroom — are so poorly managed, the state cannot assure the health and well-being of the people they are supposed to serve, a new federal review found.

The situation is so bad the federal government has forbidden the state to sign up new people until the state makes necessary improvements.

No other state in the nation is under such a moratorium, according to a spokeswoman for the federal Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services.

In the meantime, frail and vulnerable Alaskans who desperately need the help are struggling. One elderly woman is stuck in a nursing home, for lack of care at home. Another woman, suffering from chronic pain and fatigue, said she’s so weak, she often can’t even pop dinner into the microwave.

The moratorium is expected to last four or five months. State officials estimate about 1,000 Alaskans will be affected.

A particularly alarming finding concerns deaths of adults in the programs. In one 2 1/2 year stretch, 227 adults already getting services died while waiting for a nurse to reassess their needs. Another 27 died waiting for their initial assessment, to see if they qualified for help.”

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 15th, 2009
6:29 pm

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 15th, 2009
8:11 pm

Pubotards now claiming Sotamayor hangs with terrorists and rules for them. A careful analysis of her district court tenure and her appellate cases reveals as to criminal law she is more adv erse to criminal defendants than Scalia has been. She’ll fit in perfectly with white men Alito and Roberts who have never voted for a criminal defendant or for the defense bar in a single case.

Peter

July 15th, 2009
8:36 pm

Jim has failed to mention the MADE UP IRAQ War…which the Grand kids will be paying for !

Poor Jimm it must be tough getting old and forgetting about the Biggest, and most expensive waste of money, lives and US resources, brought to the US by the lying Bush administration !

“Faulty Intelligence” Jim or CIA Lies ? Brought to us by the Bush Administration !

slider

July 15th, 2009
9:13 pm

“Sorry, slider, but we REAL Americans (i.e., liberals) are in charge of the country now. Don’t like it? Leave.”

Hey Copyskank: it’s our nation too. Deal with it. You were the loyal opposition (and we allowed it) for 8 years, and now it’s going to be payback time for YOU disgusts on the modern left to catch hell. Don’t like it? TOUGH. Oh and just so you know, your idea of being a “REAL” American in not an American in the traditional sense of freedom and LIMITED GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION. GFY.

“I’m am sitting here thinking of something positive to say about this statement but I am finding words hard to come up with. This is such a harsh statement and I truly hope Slider isn’t this cold hearted. In response I would say that finding a way to provide health care to those less fortunate than the 86% does not necessarily mean destroying what the 86% have.”

Hate to break REALITY to you, Larry, but that is EXACTLY what is going to happen. Taking a LOT of jobs and quality doctors with it. Wake up. Look around. You think these libDimocrats running things really give a DAMN about you? It’s about power and control. If you want to be a part of the downfall of America, just keep supporting these incompetent idiots on the left running things. And then you and Copyskank can build a campfire and blame Republicans on the demise of America.

slider

July 15th, 2009
9:21 pm

Oh and one other thing Jerry (not Larry): only about 10 million of the estimated 48 million uninsured TRULY deserve government health care assistance. Ever heard of vouchers? The rest are illegals, people who CHOOSE to not have a plan when they CAN afford it, and others not qualified for assistance. There are ways to help that 10 million in true need WITHOUT destroying 20% of the economy and turning it over to government. Medicare and Social Security is working out so well, isn’t it? But the problem with you liberals is that you can’t manage critical thinking like that. It’s all about emotions with you people and not facts. But, we already know that.

Beancap Liberal

July 16th, 2009
8:37 am

In order to save on health care costs and to save other government programs, the Obama Administration has begun offering the public health care option via the following new health care delivery methods:

* All Primary Care Physicians will be offering care and treatment at every local US Post Office in order to better support Postal Reform. Postal delivery on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Medical care on Tuesdays and Thursdays; no Tuesday care if Monday is a Federal Holiday.

* All recently closed auto factories of Chrysler and GN will be converted into Health Care Surgerical Assembly operations for assembly line type healh services, with separate assembly departments for:

Waiting Line for Waiting Line, Triage, Intake/1040-type form, Waiting Line, Government Assessment, Waiting Line, Prioritization, Stamping, Waiting Line, Fluids Flush, Waiting Line, Body Work, Test Walk, Waiting Line, New Fluids Insertion, Collection of Large Co-pays

* All Medical transportation from one smaller medical assembly plant to a more specialized medical assembly plant will be offloaded to Amtrak. All non-ICU patients will be offered coach service without specialized medical assistance.

All ICU patients will be transported in Stimulus funded, newly refurnished Amtrack high speed Mail Cars, recently purchased on eBay from the former USSRs Trans-Siberian Socialist Medical Mail Car stock. (USSR-TRS-MMC)

* Consumer financing for the enormous co-pays, out of network payments, cost of all specialized tests, cost all overnight hospital stays, and Amtrack transportation will be available through a government-run Fannie/Freddie funding pool (FFFP), financed by consumer taxes, business taxes, soda taxes, haircut and nail taxes, internet taxes, breath taxes, personal co2 emissions taxes, public restroom stall taxes, hetero-sex taxes, Fox Channel viewing taxes, death taxes, life after death taxes ( pre-dated and payable before death).

* All new doctors will be government employees, that will be eligible for repayment of government education loans after at least 20 years of service in the Postal Medical Offices (PMO’s), and 10 years service in Soviet style Amtrack Postal Mail ICU Service cars.

* All Government Run Universal Wellness and Preventation Act programs will feature the more popular programs such as forced marches once a week, polar swim once a month, daily 10 mile walk to work, manditory cap and trade for personal co2 emissions, no sugar, no bacon, no smokes, no drink, no running, non-co2 breathing, no BO, no iceberg lettuce, no racing, no red meat, no fries, no potatoes, no milk shakes, no fun, no hetero sex, and no internet.

Peter

July 16th, 2009
9:19 am

The demise of America started with the Bush Administration and the 3 Trillion Dollar WAR Jim and the Republican’s won’t talk about, while allowing the infrastructure of America to continue to crumble.

They also won’t talk about how to fund the War which is way more expensive than the budget deficit.

Jim won’t mention that the WAR will be a problem the Grand Kids will have to pay for.

Jim doesn’t care about the large percentage of American’s that are barely making it, along with the fact Millions of American’s are without health care.

Jerry

July 16th, 2009
11:24 am

Slider now calls me a liberal. Those on the right that I know call me that too. Those that I know on the left say I am a neocon. Being in the middle can’t please anyone when everything is so polarized.

clyde

July 16th, 2009
11:34 am

Health care bill due a fight in the House.This could get interesting.If this doesn’t pass,whence goes Obama?

Last day before Sotomayer’s confirmation.From now on we consider empathy in our law decisions.Especially those wise Latina women.Never mind the law if you feel differently about it.Just go with you gut feeling.

Things are developing in Afganistan concerning a captured soldier.The Taleban are threating to kill him.I say let their actions concerning this soldier set the future rules of engagement for this war.Should this soldier be executed,I see no reason to take Talebani prisoners.We may need to get to their level before they understand us.

booger

July 16th, 2009
1:51 pm

Please run Palin,

See you are throwing around the trillions figure for Iraq again. TOTAL COST OF IRAQ WAR BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR 694 BILLION. Last week you said you didn’t trust the number because Congress was lying and they were stupid. Interesting to see the turnaround in one week as we can go to the bank with all their health care cost predictions.

You just kinda make things up as you go, don’t you?

Georgia Porkers Saxby & Johnny

July 16th, 2009
2:22 pm

What do you expect from porkers who only want to buy votes?

Our political hacks (politicians) in congress have just shown why they are bankrupting out country. The panderers are voting to build more UNNEEDED F-22’s which the Air Force says they DO NOT need and have never been used in combat. They are overwiight, problem prone and way overpriced. The hacks are pushing the pork only to buy votes PERIOD and should be thrown out of office!!!

Michael H. Smith

July 16th, 2009
4:44 pm

booger

July 16th, 2009
1:51 pm

“just kinda make things up”?

That is the ultimate understatement for all time and eternity. :lol:

Munch

July 16th, 2009
6:07 pm

Since Wooten is sort of tapering off his productivity, what with nodding off while he types and waking up to find that his position has evaporated on the winds of change while he sleeps, I thought I would offer the old coot a little friendly help with his next blog post the Cox family doesn’t cut him off and make him find his own health insurance.

Speaking of which, the AMA has come out in full support of the House version of the healthcare reform bill, complete with the public option that has the knuckledraggers crying “SOCIALISM!!!!”.

But even better, since Jim can’t point to those stalwart defenders of state prerogative Palin and Sanford anymore, what with their somewhat, um, erratic behaviors, maybe Jim will bring us more about Texas Gov Rick Perry, who stood tall and refused that commie stimulus money. (We’ll ignore his inconvenient calls for secession, m’kay?)

Wait, what’s that? News came in while Wooten was sleeping?!?! What’s that you say?

Texas is now asking the federal government for a $170 million loan so that benefits keep getting paid. [...]

Texas is expected to request $650 million, roughly $100 million more than Perry initially rejected.

Never mind, move along, nothing to see here.

It’s times like these when Wootie types out another thumbsucker about how those darker-skinned babies need to have a daddy in the home.

Palin in 2012 Make Our Day!

July 16th, 2009
6:18 pm

Please run Palin,

See you are throwing around the trillions figure for Iraq again. TOTAL COST OF IRAQ WAR BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR 694 BILLION. Last week you said you didn’t trust the number because Congress was lying and they were stupid. Interesting to see the turnaround in one week as we can go to the bank with all their health care cost predictions.

You just kinda make things up as you go, don’t you?

Booger–that’s been your mantra for a couple weeks. Its f_cking insulting and intended to be. You refuse to read and you ignore that I always state my references, citations of authority, or reasons or sources for the reasons I make a point. It’s near impossible to have a discussion or even an argument here because people like you

a) won’t read
b) ignore the sources I use and I always use them
c) Pretend I pull them out of the air or somewhere else
d) Focus on saying someone you don’t agree with is worthless.

I’m pretty happy with my level of reading and sources considering the time I have to do it. IRAQ was a dumb f_cking idea pushed by morons.

I’ve said several times I reject your figures. I’ve posted my references all in one neat book but you are too lazy to get off your butt and thumb through the book.

One thing I always do I cite my sources. I don’t “make figures up.” I’m not going to argue about it–if you need to get someone literate to read my posts to you or not.

And get real. You can’t do a damn thing about what gets spent or what gets hidden from Congress. You can either pay taxes, cheat on them, or ignore taxes. Your choice. You can put your money in a place like UBS Switzerland and take your chances as to whether they’ll turn you over for prosecution. See if DOJ will indict them or not or whether the major tax evaders or all of em get turned over.

Whatever the figure is, and the book you pretend I haven’t mentioned several times is my source for money spent.

Even if it were less than a trillion, it is money wasted,lives wasted, and there are 3 million plus widows with kids displaced from Iraq. It gets worse every day. We are pushing 5000 dead in Iraq and Afghanistan with road side IEDs easy to hide there.

I don’t have time to explain it to you but the money $1.75+ billion that Chambliss wants to waste on the F22 would go a long way toward getting the head /brain protection for soldiers that exists but isn’t in Iraq or Afghanistan and the money could prevent a large number of permanant severe brain injuries from IEDs.

We’re going to veto the ignorant cracker Chambliss.

Palin in 2012 Make Our Day!

July 16th, 2009
7:04 pm

@ Booger–

Get off your butt. Check the extensive references in this book or not. I haven’t made them up and I’ve linked it about 15 times here in the past several months.

@ Booger:

Haul your butt to the nearest bookstore and sit down and look at it Booger or not. I read it. I didn’t make the book up; and I don’t waste my time reading books that aren’t well reference and written by people with expertise in the area. I didn’t “make any of this up.”

The 3 Tillion Dollar War (and Pushing 4 Trillion)

Joe Stiglitz is a well known economist at Columbia and has been a full professor since coming there. That tends to happen to Nobel Prize winners who go to the faculty of Ivy League schools. He’s former Chief Economist at the World Bank. He won the Nobel Prize in Economics in 2001.

He can count and probably a helluva lot better than you can.

Booger keep us posted when you get the Nobel in Economics.

And Obama doesn’t take orders from washed up hick Zell Miller–he’s had a bit more political success and will soon have infinitely more accomplisments than Jaw Jaw Zell.

1stGeorgiaPeach

July 16th, 2009
8:27 pm

Can you people be anymore stupid! Those of you who justify Obama’s deficit by attempting to compare it with Reagan’s . . well you’re just plan stupid! If you truly believe that Reagan’s deficit was so bad . . then how in the hell do you justify Obama’s! So Reagan had a deficit . . does that make Obama’s super stupendeous deficit ok? I think not.
And having worked with one of the state’s largest employee health care plan I can tell you there are a lot of folks who have chosen not to have health care because they would rather have the money to get their hair and nails done. They don’t have a clue that there might come a day when they might truly be sick . . and not just with a cold but a devasting disease.
If you folks who complained about HMOs a few years back because the HMOs wouldn’t pay for this or that . . well honey you ain’t seen nothing yet until government gets control of your health care. Have any of you ever heard of managed care? I have seen my health benefits decrease and my premiums go up and up and the health plan has tried to control the rising costs my utilization and managed care. But so many people are wanting services they don’t really need and they are wanting the drugs they see advertised on tv.
Oh and all you ya-hoos who want to complain about the money spent on the Iraq war . . well you didn’t complain as long as the economy was rocking along and everybody was getting their “American Dream” . . . even those who had bad credit, no down payments and only had to pay the interest on their mortgages (thanks to Clinton, Barney Frank, Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac).
I think you blind Obama smitten folks can’t see your nose on your face. If you don’t wake up it is going to be too late.
This economy didn’t get this bad thanks to Bush . . . he just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time . . he had to deal with what was passed on to him from the demos and deal with the terrorist who were and are still out to do us in.

Palin in 2012 Make Our Day!

July 16th, 2009
11:16 pm

Yeah we’re stupid allright 1stPeachSchmutz. That’s intelligent commenting. I’ve never seen a more delusional set of disjointed comments. Are you possibly in the Palin family?You’re exhibit “A” as an example of Georgia perenially last in education at any school level.

Raegan had 8 years. Obama hasn’t had 7 months yet. Raegan, Gingrich, Phil Graham 12 fooking years as Chairman of Senate Finance–old man Greenspan Mr. Andrea Mitchell deregulated the financial system into the ground. The Newtster–is he at 3% fopr 2012 or is it 1.5%.

Obama doesn’t have a deficit yet. He’s still cleaning up Bush’s dog sh_t and the dog sh_t of his treasury secretaries and the Bush SEC that did such a great job of regulating Madoff. TARP is owned by Raegan and it’s screwing you harder and more anorgasmically than you’ve ever been in your life.

You sound like a real medical powerhouse. Having taken care of patients my entire adult life–I know it couldn’t qualify as nearly as complex as your HMO whatever I haven’t seen a statement you’ve made about health care that isn’t delusional.

That’s your assessment of the healthcare landscape–LOL–you know that people got their “hair and nails done” and didn’t consider that they might be sick. That’s fantastic. It’s also the reason why you won’t be making any health care decisions and neither will your party. We need 51 votes only per reconciliation and we have them in spades. I don’t know what you think you saw as an HMO employee but physicians have seen 20,000 people who paid for insurance cut by the Big 3 in the last five years–the term is recision, but I’m fine with “kicked out.”

We have some of the worst outcomes and the largest health care overruns in the world. I’m plenty confident with a public health care plan as are the majority of physicians in this country. It’s about time insurance companies had competition. And as you’re going to hear for the next 3 months, if the pubtards and the insurance companies are so confident the government can’t run a competitive program against the insurance companies, then no doubt the government public health alternative will collapse right? And the insurnace companies will be all alone calling the shots, screwing MDs and patients with phony data bases.

You’re stereotype of “blind Obama folks” is typically Jaw Jaw hick. Obama has a worse civil rights record at this point than Bush. I read all the appellate filings that you wouldn’t have a clue how to find and read, and right now without anyone running OLC (I know you don’t have a clue what that is) Obama is functioning in court to the right of Bush.

Bush didn’t happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. He flew every aspect of government including the economy and foreign relations into the ground. The person who is at the wrong place at the wrong time is you yammering.

So Palin’s your gal is that right? She’s afraid of interviews and she wrote an op ed in WaPo that was dumb as a rock. Who’s your candidate in 2012? They’re all dead men walking and one woman with severe untreated Borderline Personality–get your HMO to help you look it up or Google John Gunderson.

BTW the first of about 15 lawsuits that Ricci filed was an affirmative action law suit based on the grounds that he was dyslexic.

1stGeorgiaPeach

July 17th, 2009
11:49 am

Palin in 2012 Make Our Day! You must be one of those who got your education when all the educational standards were lowered so that you could make the grade in school. Only thing is those like you didn’t stay in school because it was easier to go out and smash and grab and make money on the street selling drugs, etc.
As far as your statement of those individuals who would rather get their nails and hair done than to pay their health insurance premiums. . I do know for a fact that was the case because I dealt with them on a daily basis. And as soon as they had an illness that called for more treatment than an office visit would take care of . . . they came whinning wanting to pick up insurance (BTW that is like waiting until you have a car accident and calling an auto insurer and expecting them to give you insurance. . duh!!!!) You obviously don’t recall (maybe it is because you are still wet behind the ears) the uproar a few years or so ago when the HMOs were trying to manage health care and everyone was upset because they couldn’t get the HMOs to pay for every whim that everybody thought they had to have. Until you work in the health care area I don’t think you have a clue! So why don’t you stick with something you know about like the taxing, increasing the deficit more than all the presidents before, run our health care system in the ground to cover a few people who choose not to have cover demos . . . I would imagine your IQ is about the same as Pelosi’s and Barney Frank’s!!!
So what are you so afraid of . . Palin! Those of you who go on and on about Palin are obviously so afraid of her!!! If you think she is as dumb as a rock . . I’d put her up against that smiling like a jack a– Pelosi anytime!!!
Oh yes, one finally thing. . .the dog sh_t you refer to was created by the Demos like Clinton, Barney Frank and his cronies at Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac . . . long before Bush arrived on the scene. So kiss my grits!!!

1stGeorgiaPeach

July 17th, 2009
12:32 pm

Palin in 2012 Make Our Day! “Raegan had 8 years. Obama hasn’t had 7 months yet.” (BTW it is Reagan . . not Raegan) . . you just made my point . . look at the crap that Obama has done in 7 months . . can hardly wait for the rest of his term if we live so long especially after he turns us into a weak, inflation, depend on the gov’ment nation!
Also. . I’m not concerned about 2012 . . like you demos obviously are since you seem to dwell on it so much . . I frankly don’t care who runs then . . . I may not even be around when Obama finishes with his health care plan and his international policies . . . and you may not be either!

Crush Pubs

July 17th, 2009
2:39 pm

I’ll be around long after Obama’s 8 years are finished and so will my patients.