Will Blue Dogs contain health care tab?

Nine months into the new fiscal year and five months into the presidency of Barack Obama, the  federal deficit has hit $1 trillion for the first time in history.  Take note, children, and stop goofing off in school, demanding feel-good, esteem-raising “A’s” for “C-minus” work.  You’ve a heavy debt burden to finance over the course of your working lives, with a far heavier debt burden yet to come.

Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives add to that burden with a proposal expected today for national health care legislation.  While politicians play games with cost and with financing schemes that are alleged to include $155 billion in future savings from payments to hospitals, the truth is that whatever they come up with will exceed another trillion dollars over a decade.   President Obama says those costs won’t be borne by the middle class.  The Nancy Pelosi Democrats propose to get financing from “the rich.”   Fat chance. “The rich” can avoid taxes, in part by moving cash to government-favored enterprises.  It’s the wage-earner and the owners of mom-and-pop businesses that get socked.

Democrats have full ownership of national government, so they’re prefectly free to be as irresponsible as they choose.  This is a key test, however, for a group of about 40 Democrats like U.S. Rep. Jim Marshall of Macon and to a lesser extent U.S. Rep. John Barrow of Savannah.  Marshall represents a Middle Georgia district that’s competitive.  If he gets too deep into Pelosi politics, he’s gone.  About three dozen or more of his colleagues are in the same boat.

Ordinarily, because Democrats own Congress, leadership and the so-called “Blue Dog Democrats” play a game.  When Pelosi needs them, they’re there.  When she has votes to spare, they walk, voting with the opposition.  A trillion-dollar entitlement built on funny-money and pretend-savings has to be too much for the Blue Dogs to stomach.

Right now, they’re all that stands between the ambitions of this generation of liberal politicians and the quality-of-life stealing debt burden being shifted to our children and grand-children.  So, young esteem-seekers, when school officials offer to erase incorrect answers on CRCT tests of subject competence and replace them with right answers, beg them not to.  You actually need to know the classroom stuff to get a good job (in government or health care, the ones that will be available) to help finance the enormous debt burden coming your way.

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Chris Broe

July 14th, 2009
1:46 pm

The AJC reported that there’s a nudist camp that will stage the world’s largest skinny dip. There’s no need to offer these people-gone-wild any New Orleans beads. In fact, who knows what they’d do with them. Better safe than sorry here. Just sayin’

Uninsured and Nervous

July 14th, 2009
1:58 pm

The only way we are ever going to get the health care plan we desperately need is if we can find a villain, someone the public can openly criticize. It’s the quickest way to move the argument from the abstract to a matter of morals, to make the public feel impassioned. http://thestimulist.com/it-takes-a-villain/

Disgusted

July 14th, 2009
1:59 pm

“We would be a lot better off if every elected official only served one term.”

That way we could be sure they would ignore us and do everything they could to enrich themselves at out expense. After all, there’s no need to worry about reelection, so why be concerned about the voters who put you in office?

DBB

July 14th, 2009
2:21 pm

I voted for Jim Marshall last time around, believing that he would place good judgement before self interest. Particularly when something as historically significant and of such huge impact as the stimulus came along. His vote for the stimulus and cap & trade sealed his fate for this voter during the next election. Forget I won’t, and if the measure of my friends who voted for him count for anything, it will be a tough go next time around. My kids have now inherited a disaster and it’s clear who contributed to that disaster and who did not. And they did it in only 6 months; it’s simply unbelievable.

Dan

July 14th, 2009
2:23 pm

Like many things in politics, and life in general, if you don’t properly define the problem or desire, it is unfixable. You want real discussion on social security? call it what it is retirement/welfare program. Tax rebates? some yes, most was welfare. Healthcare reform? Government “insurance” please, people don’t want insurance they want someone else to pay their bills in the name of “equality” yet they don’t dare criticize the medical profession (hey those guys may be holding a knife over you some day!) they criticize insurance, the industry that provides the ability to spread costs over the population but they do it voluntarily and people have a choice. If you want everyones medical coverage to go the way of medicare, public schools or even the DMV. By all means support gov “health care”

Base

July 14th, 2009
2:24 pm

Who cares what Wooten thinks.The AJC should cut the budget and you.

Chris Broe

July 14th, 2009
2:34 pm

Anyone notice how much healthier are children became after they ate all those vegetables at school in the form of Reagan Ketchup? I mean, who needs healthcare now? We’re in the pink!

Thank God for Obama, who is the first president since Lincoln who knows how to handle this country’s problems.

alohagator

July 14th, 2009
2:35 pm

jconservative @ 1:21pm – The actual national debt is approx. $11,500,000,000,000 dollars.

It increases by about $5.6 million dollars every sixty seconds.

Remember folks… We as a nation must pay interest on that ever increasing debt.

Aloha ya’all.

alohagator

July 14th, 2009
2:38 pm

Broe — You’re nuts!

alohagator

July 14th, 2009
2:46 pm

Before I leave this discussion here’s one more thing to consider:

I said this earlier but it bears repeating —–
In fiscal year 2000 we added $17.9 billion to our deficit for the entire year. At our current rate of spending that number equals 5.7 days.

Gimmie back Bill Clinton and a “do-nothing” Congress. Please!!!!!!!!

Chris Broe

July 14th, 2009
2:47 pm

For one thing, Obama is not capable of calling Ketchup a vegetable, not just because a tomato is a fruit, but because only a brain-dead vegetable would think that the sugar/vinegar base of ketchup could ever be construed as part of any food group.

You yellow-rat republicans are discredited, and you log-cabin conservatives are invisible, so you are effectually prevented from inventing another idiot scheme to poison innocent school children under the guise of “it’s good 4U.”

The GOP is dead. Long live the Democrats!!!

Shameless

July 14th, 2009
2:52 pm

James

July 14th, 2009
3:02 pm

As a young person, I would rather pay taxes to fix this country’s healthcare and environment than pay taxes for unnecessary wars in the Middle East.

I don’t understand how anyone can decry spending to improve the health of fellow Americans and at the same time think it was perfectly reasonable to spend trillions in Iraq.

Atlanta Native

July 14th, 2009
3:02 pm

Yo Broe,

I detested Reagan. But get over it. That was the 80’s. Take off your skinny leather tie and your Vans and welcome to the new century. I mean come on, Warren G. Harding was corrupt, let’s rail about that, why don’t we.

If you want to complain about Reagan do some research into appointments – that’s where the juicy stuff is.

But that does not help the debate here. And Ketchup contains concentrated amounts of Licopene, so it turns out it is good for you, though the administration did not know that.

alohagator

July 14th, 2009
3:30 pm

James – Here’s something to think about….
#1 – As a young person, I doubt you pay any taxes.
#2 – We haven’t spent “trillions” in Iraq… We’ve spent about $800 billion dollars for the war.
#3 – When you get a real job, start a family and look towards retirement I guarantee you will think differently.

Get Real

July 14th, 2009
3:36 pm

So alohagator aka genius, you’ve yet to answer the question I posed. You tea bagging repubs will do anything to bring up the deficit when a democrat is in office, but put your hands over your mouth while a republican ‘fiscally conservative’ president ran it up after he was given a surplus.

Atlanta Native

July 14th, 2009
4:02 pm

Repub or Dem – can any of you answer which bridge option you pick as per 1:37 pm.

Atlanta Native

July 14th, 2009
4:03 pm

1:26 pm, sorry, never do things from memory.

Jerry

July 14th, 2009
5:02 pm

The CBO projected 600 billion not 1 trillion for the latest version by HELP over a decade. Now we can help those in need or we can get into another war. The latest count has us spending 700 billion on Iraq over the last 7 years and we still aren’t done. It seems the Iraq war is far more costly than something that could help American citizens.

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
5:40 pm

Entertaining to see the bufoon Lindsay Graham yammering about the anonymous complaints of lawyuhs before the 2nd Circuit as to Sotamayor’s “temperamant” when he backed and was joined at the hip loose cannon McCain who had a running mate who is a sick borderline who has disintegrated in Alaska and now is reduced to debating Levi Johnston.

Ga Values

July 14th, 2009
5:41 pm

DBB 2:21 pm

Marshall voted AGAINST the cap & trade. I understand Saxby plans to vote for the Cap & trade so you might want to send him a big check to vote against it.

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
5:44 pm

My count and the one scholarly well referenced book has Iraq at 3 trillion dollars and pushing 4 trillion. And the cornball hick from JawJaw has been told his stupid attempt to piss away 1.5 billion for the obselete F22 will be vetoed. How’s that for a reversal–the black man smacks down the white sugar company pimp.

ron

July 14th, 2009
5:46 pm

There has been one thing said here this afternoon that I agree with.

“Bring back Bill Clinton and a do nothing Congress”.

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
5:53 pm

Pentagon tests: F-22 Flies LIke it’s Made of Balsa Wood

WASHINGTON — The United States’ premier fighter jet, the Lockheed Martin F-22, has recently required more than 30 hours of maintenance for every hour in the skies, pushing its hourly cost of flying to more than $44,000, a far higher figure than for the warplane it replaces, confidential Pentagon test results show.

The aircraft’s radar-absorbing metallic skin is the principal cause of its maintenance troubles, with unexpected shortcomings — such as vulnerability to rain and other abrasion — challenging Air Force and contractor technicians since the mid-1990s, according to Pentagon officials, internal documents and a former engineer.Skin problems — often requiring re-gluing small surfaces that can take more than a day to dry — helped force more frequent and time-consuming repairs, according to the confidential data drawn from tests conducted by the Pentagon’s independent Office of Operational Test and Evaluation between 2004 and 2008.

Over the four-year period, the F-22’s average maintenance time per hour of flight grew from 20 hours to 34, with skin repairs accounting for more than half of that time — and more than half the hourly flying costs — last year. The Air Force says the F-22 cost $44,259 per flying hour in 2008; the Office of the Secretary of Defense said the figure was $49,808. The F-15, the F-22’s predecessor, has a fleet average cost of $30,818.

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
5:58 pm

While most aircraft fleets become easier and less costly to repair as they mature, key maintenance trends for the F-22 have been negative in recent years, and on average from October last year to this May, just 55 percent of the deployed F-22 fleet has been available to fulfill missions guarding U.S. airspace, the Defense Department acknowledged this week. The F-22s, which are assembled in Marietta by Lockheed Martin Corp, has never been flown over Iraq or Afghanistan.

Sensitive information about troubles with the nation’s premier air-defense fighter is emerging in the midst of a fight between the Obama administration and the Democrat-controlled Congress over whether the program should be halted next year at 187 planes, far short of what the Air Force and the F-22’s contractors around the country had anticipated.

“It is a disgrace that you can fly a plane (an average of) only 1.7 hours before it gets a critical failure” that jeopardizes success of the aircraft’s mission, said a Defense Department critic of the plane who is not authorized to speak on the record. Other skeptics inside the Pentagon note that the planes, designed 30 years ago to combat a Cold War adversary, have cost an average of $350 million apiece and say they are not a priority in the age of small wars and terrorist threats.

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
6:04 pm


America’s Affordable Health Choices Act

The House released its health care reform bill today — the America’s Affordable Health Choices Act — and will begin three simultaneous committee markups on different provisions later this week.

General Health Care Features:
A. Up to 97 percent of Americans will be covered with federal health care and/or health insurance.

B. Medicaid coverage will be improved and be expanded to allow people up to 133 percent of the federal poverty level. The Feds will pick up the added costs, not states.

C. Uninsured people with incomes above that 133 percent of fed poverty level (FPL) will receive federal credits (subsidies) to help purchase insurance in a new federal insurance Exchange. The feds will build the exchange, but states/regions can take over their regional operations if/when they’re ready.

D. A national health insurance plan (”public option”) will be one of the plans available in the exchange to individuals and small businesses that don’t have insurance

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 14th, 2009
6:25 pm

Meet the Republican Fakes on Senate Judiciary

Orin Hatch–as much federal litigation experience as my dog (none whatsoever).

John Kyle–as much federal litigation experience as my dog (none whatsoever).

Charles Grassley, farmer, —as much federal litigation experience as my dog (none whatsoever).

Lindsey Graham–JAG and as much federal litigation experience as my dog (none whatsoever).

John Corynyn–as much federal litigation experience as my dog (none whatsoever).

Arlen Specter (votes Republican–calls self Democrat to survive in his reelection campaign)–as much federal litigation experience as my dog (none whatsoever).

deegee

July 14th, 2009
6:56 pm

If we can’t have health care reform this time can we please agree to have health reform? There are approximately 58 million obese adults in this country. If we could get a Kennedy-era style national weight reduction and exercise program underway we could lower the estimated cost of health care. I would love to see an alternative to the employer based health care system but I do wonder how we are going to pay for insulin, hip and knee replacements, gastric bypass surgery, back surgery, lipitor, ACE inhibitors, heart bypass surgery, gall bladder surgery, etc. Maybe we should as a nation lose a billion pounds before we spend a trillion on health care for an obese and sedentary population.

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 14th, 2009
7:03 pm

It’s been my experience, and it’s reflected in the medical literature that knee and hip replacements, CABG and coronary ischemia, CVA,hypertension and cholecystitis are not diseases caused by obesity nor restricted to obese individuals. Far from it. It is true that metabolic syndrome which includes obesisty is a coronary risk factor. Those diseases are wide spread in people who are not obese. Their treatment outcomes are markedly different and depending on ethnicity and race.

Scott Greene

July 14th, 2009
7:28 pm

The product of health insurance is to provide you with medical coverage when you need it.
Unlike other businesses that need to provide you with their product in order to make any money, health insurance companies actually make more money for themselves when they restrict and do not pay claims.
In other words, they make more money when they do NOT provide the product that you have paid them for.

Read the 50 to 70 pages of your health insurance contract.
Pay particular attention to the section entitled “limitations and exclusions”.
People’s health is not a product that needs to be left to the whims of money motivated CEO’s and stockholders.
If that is your thinking, you might as well have your police and fire department protection based on insurance premiums you pay.
Then you can go to the police and fire protection insurance page for ‘limitations and exclusions’ on whether or not the police or fire department would come out to your house in the event of an emergency.

The point is, you would never think of discriminating against another citizen if he was the victim of a fire or crime.
So why would you be ok with health insurance companies discriminating against fellow citizens who have pre-existing medical conditions?

Michael H. Smith

July 14th, 2009
8:01 pm

One question deegee: would you also love to see an alternative to government run healthcare a.k.a. The so-called Public Option as well?

Robin Morris

July 14th, 2009
8:41 pm

Enter your comments here
Everyone should pay their own health care insurance, get it where is can be affortable The Drug Companies have gotten rich along with the Insurance Companies.

For god sakes lets pray that Palin is out of the picture, she has no clue to solve any problem.

By the time 2012 comes she will have had a PMS attacks

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 14th, 2009
8:42 pm

LOL your health care plan would be what Dr. Smith? The Rush Limpbaughs “ah don’t know no alternatives ah jist don’t want what 75% of this country wants”?

Michael H. Smith

July 14th, 2009
8:46 pm

Hmm… I don’t remember addressing question to nameless-YOU.

Chris Salzmann

July 14th, 2009
8:54 pm

Here some real experiences regarding Americans experiencing health care in other western countries from the Huffington Post. We keep hearing the same mantra about how US Heath Care is the BEST IN THE WORLD. Yes it is if you’re lucky enough to work for a company that provides insurance. A whopping 60% of all people who declare bankruptcy do so because of medical costs. Thousands of uninsured Americans DIE EVERY YEAR because of treatable illnesses that cannot be treated because they can’t afford it.

These conservatives will gladly pay $3-$4 Trillion for a war that should never have been fought but have the gall to complain about expenses to help fund health care for their own people??? I guess the “Christianity” they claim to practice stops when they walk out of their churches every Sunday. Their “Christianity” reminds me of what Mohattama Gandhi once said, “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ”.

alandkd:

I got pneumonia while in Germany for work. After seeing the doctor (she apologized for the half-hour wait because it was busy and she was the only doctor on call), within 10 MINUTES, she did an exam, an ultrasound, took blood for a test, and wrote an order for an X ray.

10 minutes to get the X ray, 10 more for it to be developed, and in another 10 minutes I was leaving with a prescription. They copied my US health insurance card and didn’t charge anything.


RAF3:

20 years living with the “inferior” Canadian system got me a knee reconstruction, an ankle reconstruction, a thumb reconstruction, 2 beautiful children born via C-section, multiple trips to the doctor and emergency room, etc. etc. etc.

Quality of care and surgery — at least as good and as prompt at I have ever gotten in the USA.

Never cost me more than my monthly premium ($70 per month, more or less, for the family and included dental) — lots of dental visits too, now that I think about it — and a few minor co-pays at the drug store.


Artemis34:

“Go home and call the doctor!” my colleagues said.

I was in Argentina, sick, and like all good American workaholics, at work!

“I”m American, we don”t go to the hospital unless we”re going to die [because then you don't have to pay the bill]” I said.
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They explained that I could get care in Argentina and I needn’t worry about my pocketbook.

They sent me off to my apartment with a phone number. I called and shortly after a doctor and nurse ARRIVED AT MY APARTMENT!

They examined me, said it was going around my neighborhood, gave me medicine and a prescription if I needed more, and gave instructions for follow-up.

No bill, FOR A HOUSE CALL!

I lived in Argentina for four more years and was very satisfied with the public care.

We call countries like Argentina and Chile “third world” but they can deliver care to their people and the US cannot.

RuWii

some years ago my brother in law was vacationing in Madeira (an island of Portugal) where he had acute apendicitis and needed emergency surgery. He was operated on and had to be hospitalized for 4 days. His wife stayed with him in his room. Not being Portuguese citizen he had to pay for his treatment. Being American he was terrified. The bill came in under $200!


rextrek

A few years ago,I was on vacation in Costa Rico and got hurt…I had hurt my ankle/foot & by taxi went to the ER…got 2 xrays/and a RX for pain pills….with instructions to apply ice..but it was NOT broken! Whew….what a relief…sure,the rest of my week was spent with my foot up,ice packs – at the bar..and pool…at a total cost of $30…I can ONLY Imagine what it would have cost in America!


enilorac:

I was in a head on car collision accident in England a few years ago. My father, my mother and myself were wearing seatbelts, so we survived a bad crash. The most amazing aspect, however, was what Katharine experienced. An amubulance took us to the Emergency Room at the big hospital in York. We were x rayed, my mother spent the night under observation and my father and I were treated and then released.
The doctors and nurses, even the police, were professional, kind and very respectful. I filled out a number of forms with all our U.S, based addresses, etc. We never got a bill, just what I have described.
So I too, got treated to First World Health Care, and I know we would have been treated with the same respect and care for our health and safety, no matter our nationality, race or creed. Of course, as Katharine pointed out there are issues with the British system, but to its core it aims to care.


sodisenchanted:

I lived in Wales, UK for 16 months during 2007/2008. I have many health problems and won’t begin to go into the problems I’ve had with insurance over the years.

I had to see a Dr. for an emergency as soon as I arrived in the UK and expected a huge hassle since I wasn’t yet set up with NHS. I called the local surgery (Drs office) and had an appointment within 30 minutes. I saw a Dr. within 30 minutes of my arrival there. I tried to pay but was told they wouldn’t know what to do with payment. (This surgery became my regular Drs.) I walked across the street to fill my prescriptions and when I tried to pay was informed all scripts filled in Wales written by a Welsh Dr. were free. COOL!

This level of treatment continued for my entire stay and I miss my Welsh Dr. I did wait about 6 weeks for a first visit to a specialist. It takes 5 months to see the same kind of specialist here. I could always see my GP same day there. It’s a 3 day wait here sometimes just to see the nurse practitioner. My Welsh Dr. diagnosed and solved 2 problems I couldn’t get any of 4 Drs. here to acknowledge.


enzosmom:

My 70-year-old father was knocked down by a horse-drawn carriage in Florence, Italy this May. Although he didn’t lose consciousness, we were worried that he could have a head injury not unlike that which took the life of Natasha Richardson. We went to the closest hospital, which turned out to be the smallest, most crowded, and, according to our friends, the “worst.” He was triaged as a ‘green” patient (stable) upon arrival, received xrays and an MRI. Because he’s on anticoagulants for a heart condition, they wanted him to remain overnight for observation, but they didn’t have a room. He was given comprensive discharge instructions in English, by the English-speaking doctor, along with the xrays and MRI, so that he could follow up with his physician in America. My mother and I followed the instructions with respect to observing him for the next 24 hours, with no complications.
He was not charged for the treatment. The entire episode lasted four and one-half hours.
This was Italy. One of the (relatively) less affluent Western European nations regularly mocked for its inefficiency.

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 14th, 2009
8:54 pm

Besides getting the hell out of Iraq for good, seizing the Swiss accounts of the 52,000 plus that the US is battling to get from the Swiss would easily pay for the health care bill the house hatched today.

Who”s covered:

Around 94 percent of non-elderly residents (those not covered by Medicare, which kicks in at age 65) would be covered “” compared with 81 percent today. Nearly half of the 17 million non-elderly residents who remain uninsured would be illegal immigrants.

Cost: About $1.5 trillion over 10 years.

How it”s paid for: Revenue-raisers include: $544 billion from a new income tax surcharge on single people making $280,000 a year and households making $350,000 and above; $37 billion in other tax adjustments. About $500 billion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid. About $200 billion from penalties paid by individuals and employers who don”t obtain coverage.

Requirements for individuals: Individuals must have insurance, enforced through tax penalty with hardship waivers. The penalty is 2.5 percent of income.

Requirements for employers: Employers must provide insurance to their employees or pay a penalty of 8 percent of payroll. Companies with payroll under $250,000 annually are exempt.

Subsidies: Individuals and families with annual income up to 400 percent of poverty level ($88,000 for a family of four) would get sliding-scale subsidies to help them buy coverage. The subsidies would begin in 2013.

Michael H. Smith

July 14th, 2009
9:01 pm

Mr. Wooten, have you ever noticed how far too easy it is to spend another person’s money? :twisted:

Jerry

July 14th, 2009
9:07 pm

I’m not sure what you are trying to get at Michael H. Smith (as opposed to Michael W. Smith). Let’s be factual – govt takeover of health insurance IS NOT ON THE TABLE! The right side of the political spectrum throw it out as a red herring to scare people. Remember back a month or so ago when Republican wordsmith met with Republican House members to tell them how to defeat health care reform: First, you have to pretend to support it. Then use phrases like “government takeover,” delayed care is denied care, consequences of rationing and bureaucrats not doctors prescribing medicine (far better to have a bureaucrat at the health insurance company do that). I saw that later Frank Luntz admit it was a bunch of lies but washed his hands of it by saying he is a wordsmith and not a policy maker.
As far as the earlier discussion on the Iraq war, I guess the Republicans feel it is better to kill than heal.

Chris Salzmann

July 14th, 2009
9:10 pm

Michael H. Smith July 14th, 2009 9:01 pm SAID: Mr. Wooten, have you ever noticed how far too easy it is to spend another person’s money? :twisted:

CHRIS SAYS: Yes, conservatives excel at it, especially when it comes to useless wars. They’re just loath to spend it in their own country

Michael H. Smith

July 14th, 2009
9:16 pm

First, Jerry is it, the name I use is my “full real legal name” given to me at birth NOT a nickname or a made-up name or the name of someone else. Second, you are totally clueless of what my healthcare agenda might be. Third, if you are so concerned about the Iraq war you should address those concerns to someone who can actually do something about them and that would be the CURRENT Commander N’ Chief.

Michael H. Smith

July 14th, 2009
9:19 pm

And I say what a lousy disingenuous reply, Chris Salzmann.

Chris Salzmann

July 14th, 2009
9:26 pm

Michael H. Smith July 14th, 2009 9:19 pm SAID: And I say what a lousy disingenuous reply, Chris Salzmann.

CHRIS SAYS: $3-$4 Trillion spent fighting a war of choice in Iraq and where were all these conservatives then??? If I recall, they were pretty much all in the GWB cheer leading section. Sorry Dude but It is what it is.

Jerry

July 14th, 2009
9:32 pm

First, Michael, I referenced the other name with tongue in cheek – my apologies for offending you. Yes you are correct – I am clueless on what your health care agenda might be but I am willing to be enlightened.

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 14th, 2009
9:55 pm

Whoever is the fake name Smith, I’d like to hear your health care plan. If you keep up these vapid meaningless commnets, we might have to make you travel with Borderline Palin who as op ed columnist in WaPo defined op ed as truth optional and revealed she doesn’t understand anything about the rather crappy Waxman bill that was full of pubtard pork.

Jerry

July 14th, 2009
10:20 pm

No I would actually like to see what Mr. Smith’s thoughts are. I have no intention of making denigrating comments but I would like to see his point of view. I am open to an open and honest debate and it just might turn out we have some common ground.

Michael H. Smith

July 14th, 2009
10:39 pm

Uh Dude, you need to keep it real. Both Democrats and Republicans have spent our money in the most unbecoming unseemly ways unimaginable to the sane mind, to which more often than not, is in very point of fact, against the will and best interest of we the folks back home that elected them. At present the national annual budget debt for the first time in the history of this nation has topped 1 trillion dollars. That’s real borrowed money, our money, which will have to be paid back to somebody at some point in time.

As for this beating of the war drum, Dude, I have spoken to that issue directly and very correctly previously. As you say, it is, what it IS and the present Commander N’ Chief has more control over events taking place in that regard than anyone else. Least of all someone else like me.

And Dude, don’t ask for political answers for wars. All wars come about because all political answers failed.

CHRIS SAYS: $3-$4 Trillion spent fighting a war of choice in Iraq and where were all these conservatives then??? If I recall, they were pretty much all in the GWB cheer leading section.

Again I say, what a lousy disingenuous reply, Dude.

OhioVoter72

July 14th, 2009
10:45 pm

“It’s the wage-earner and the owners of mom-and-pop businesses that get socked.” How so? Cite Examples in the bill, please? I agree with you that many (not all) of those who are supposed to see a tax increase in this legislation (those making $250K+) may find ways to dodge it. But where in the bill is there backup for your claim that “it’s the wage-earner and the owners of mom-and-pop businesses that get socked”?
I make $21K and I eagerly await your reply about exactly how a bill that specifically raises taxes on those making over ten times as much as I do is somehow going to raise my taxes.
Please be as specific as possible.

Jerry

July 14th, 2009
10:51 pm

Mr. Smith, I was honestly seeking your thoughts as I really did want to know to know what your health care. I tried to treat you with respect and you respond with venom. As far as the Iraq war several of us aren’t bringing it up as a complaint but merely comparing the logic of willing to spend major dollars for a war but unwilling to spend similar dollars for the good of American citizens. Perhaps you are comfortable with this but in my opinion I find it odd.

Michael H. Smith

July 14th, 2009
11:11 pm

I have no intention of making denigrating comments but I would like to see his point of view.

Thank you for your sincerity Jerry, to that I will give a respectable reply, to which I won’t give to a certain present obnoxious piece of non-sense.

There is only three possible answers to providing healthcare: 1) government 2) business 3) the individual. Government answer is socialized medicine, subject to change without notice and the recipients thereof possibly wishing it was gone as of yesterday. Which is basically the Democrat answer.

The business answer is for business as usual in catch as catch can healthcare, here today and possibly gone tomorrow. Which is basically the Republican answer.

The individual answer centers on individuals establishing, controlling and assuring their own healthcare. Which the Private Public option also referred to as a healthcare Co-Op of a more political bipartisan nature.

Now, there are many answers to funding. The least appealing of them being more taxation to bend the costs curve everyone knows must be done altered. This link should give you an idea at least of the concept. Ideally the further away from both business and government control of our healthcare the better off we shall all be is my firm belief. For we are the least likely among all three entities to cut our own benefits or cancel our own health insurance policies providing the funding questions can be resolved.

Please run Palin in 2012!

July 14th, 2009
11:12 pm

You don’t get an exchange of ideas with pubtards here Jerry. They have no comprehension that Bush and Republicans were the main causes of the economic clusterfook. They pretend never to have heard of Gingrich

They have no comprehension that an Iraq clusterfook has hemorhhaged trillions, and they have no concept of the fact that a large part of the economic crisis now is the crappy health care system we have.

They have no concept of the way insurance companies hasten death and deny care or that they cut tens of thousands of people from coverage in the past five years and decades before, because they got sick which was the reason for the coverage in the first place.

They have no concept of the fake data bases insurance companies used to bilk billions from patients and physicians.

And lastly they have an understanding of medicine equivalant to a rock–as in dumb as.