Will Blue Dogs contain health care tab?

Nine months into the new fiscal year and five months into the presidency of Barack Obama, the  federal deficit has hit $1 trillion for the first time in history.  Take note, children, and stop goofing off in school, demanding feel-good, esteem-raising “A’s” for “C-minus” work.  You’ve a heavy debt burden to finance over the course of your working lives, with a far heavier debt burden yet to come.

Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives add to that burden with a proposal expected today for national health care legislation.  While politicians play games with cost and with financing schemes that are alleged to include $155 billion in future savings from payments to hospitals, the truth is that whatever they come up with will exceed another trillion dollars over a decade.   President Obama says those costs won’t be borne by the middle class.  The Nancy Pelosi Democrats propose to get financing from “the rich.”   Fat chance. “The rich” can avoid taxes, in part by moving cash to government-favored enterprises.  It’s the wage-earner and the owners of mom-and-pop businesses that get socked.

Democrats have full ownership of national government, so they’re prefectly free to be as irresponsible as they choose.  This is a key test, however, for a group of about 40 Democrats like U.S. Rep. Jim Marshall of Macon and to a lesser extent U.S. Rep. John Barrow of Savannah.  Marshall represents a Middle Georgia district that’s competitive.  If he gets too deep into Pelosi politics, he’s gone.  About three dozen or more of his colleagues are in the same boat.

Ordinarily, because Democrats own Congress, leadership and the so-called “Blue Dog Democrats” play a game.  When Pelosi needs them, they’re there.  When she has votes to spare, they walk, voting with the opposition.  A trillion-dollar entitlement built on funny-money and pretend-savings has to be too much for the Blue Dogs to stomach.

Right now, they’re all that stands between the ambitions of this generation of liberal politicians and the quality-of-life stealing debt burden being shifted to our children and grand-children.  So, young esteem-seekers, when school officials offer to erase incorrect answers on CRCT tests of subject competence and replace them with right answers, beg them not to.  You actually need to know the classroom stuff to get a good job (in government or health care, the ones that will be available) to help finance the enormous debt burden coming your way.

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jconservative

July 14th, 2009
7:55 am

Jim – I agree but you are 28 years to late. You should have hollered in 1981 when Reagan submitted the first of his deficit building bidgets to Congress. I hollered as loud as I could but I was all alone.

You and others failed to see that Reagan talked conservative but governed as a liberal. To date, Reagan left the highest debt after his administration until that other “conservative” George W came along.

As I said you are way to late.

Shameless

July 14th, 2009
8:12 am

The leaders of the Senate Armed Services Committee don’t have the votes to strip from the defense authorization bill $1.75 billion for seven F-22 Raptor fighter jets, but they’re hoping the power of the presidency will sway some colleagues.

President Barack Obama took another swipe at the advanced fighter jet, reiterating his threat to veto any bill containing F-22 funds, in letters to committee Chairman Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and ranking Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona on Monday.

“Would the president veto the bill?” asked Levin. “That speculation is no longer out there.” Those who wind up supporting more F-22s will now jeopardize funding for the troops, Levin added.

And McCain said he’d “strongly recommend” that the president veto the bill if F-22 funding was included. A vote on the amendment to remove money for more F-22s could come as early as Tuesday.

Debate about the Raptor fifth-generation fighter jet won’t be limited to the Senate; the fiscal year 2010 defense appropriations bill is scheduled for a Thursday markup in the House

Copyleft

July 14th, 2009
8:41 am

Sorry, Mr. Wooten, but to quote the last admininstration, “Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter.”

As a staunch right-wing drone, you are obligated to IGNORE all deficits and simply complain whenever we ramp up spending on fellow Americans rather than overseas adventures. Them’s the rules!

jt

July 14th, 2009
8:57 am

Will Blue Dogs contain health care tab?

the answer is no because there are just as many yellow-bellied republicans that will vote for it.

Whatever the R & D party passes, middle-class Americans will see their medical services diminish and their medical expenses increase.

Dusty

July 14th, 2009
9:02 am

Jim Wooten, your strong voice in the midst of this financial chaos is good to read.

I see the “usuals” here are drifting back to bring up Reagan who has been dead these many years. So who cares about Reagan in current finances. We are NOW going into trillions and more in debt which will not be repaid in our lifetime. What a burden! How foolish! And Democrats want to add more.

Nobody is going to be healthy without a job or a home. Crushing debt will ruin the prospects of the young people of America. The blame will not be on Reagan. It will be “credited” to our one and only at present, President Obama, the seemingly mindless spendthrift.and his subservient Congress.

jokerman

July 14th, 2009
9:09 am

geez Dusty….”I see the “usuals” here are drifting back to bring up Reagan who has been dead these many years.”

Dead these many years? He died 4 years ago….!!!

Redneck Convert

July 14th, 2009
9:11 am

Well, we don’t need another guvmint boondoggle like this health care bill. I agree we got a problem with health care. But it’s nothing that paying for a couple aspirin for every man, woman and child in America won’t handle. I figure we can do that for about $100,000. If we get the aspirin at Sam’s Club.

Besides, I don’t want to wait in a long line when I go see a Dr. If everybody’s got health insurance every Tom, Dick and Harry will be showing up at a Dr. I went out and worked to get my health insurance. People that don’t have it can do the same.

We can do something about the high cost of health care right now. We’re paying more money because people that don’t have health insurance are showing up at hospitles and getting treated for free. The hospitles are just pushing the cost onto those of us that have health insurance. I say make the people getting the free care do something to earn it. It won’t hurt none to make a person on a hospitle gurney in a emergency room get up and sweep the floors or something to help repay the hospitle. This ain’t a Commie country.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Leastwise I know the good Conservatives on this blog will agree with me. Have a good day everybody.

Citizen of the World

July 14th, 2009
9:12 am

There are numerous ways to pay for health care reform, and it doesn’t need to be this or that, but this and that. The costs can be spread around.

And as a taxpayer, I am perfectly willing to do my share and pay premiums and co-pays for any government plan that’s made available.

I don’t know if Atlanta conservatives are aware of the groundswell of support that’s growing across the country among liberals and conservative citizens alike for significant health care reform, with a universal single payer system being the preferred choice. Of course, that’s not even on the table because our elected leaders are in the pockets of the medical industrial/insurance syndicate.

But the push for single payer illustrates that people are fed up with for-profit insurance companies getting rich off the backs of sick people.

The insurance companies add absolutely nothing to health “care.” All they do is syphon money — and a lot of it — off the top that could be spent to care for people.

Anyone who has a group plan may not know how lucky they are, and how vulnerable they are if they should lose that plan.

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 14th, 2009
9:47 am

Goldman Sachs on Tuesday said it earned $3.44 billion in the second
quarter, a much higher-than-expected figure that underscores how
quickly the Wall Street firm has bounced back from last fall’s
financial crisis and started to churn out huge profits again.

The company, led by Lloyd C. Blankfein, reported net revenue of $13.76
billion in the latest quarter, as its trading and principal investments
business roared into high gear.

“While markets remain fragile and we recognize the challenges the
broader economy faces, our second quarter results reflected the
combination of improving financial market conditions and a deep and
diverse client franchise,” Mr. Blankfein, Goldman’s chairman and chief
executive, said in a statement announcing the results.

“Our role as an intermediary focused on making markets for buyers and
sellers helped drive our performance,” he said.

Also on Tuesday, The Financial Times reported that Goldman executives
have sold almost $700 million worth of the firm’s stock since Lehman
Brothers collapsed last year.

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 14th, 2009
9:48 am

With business publications suffering from scarce advertising,
McGraw-Hill has hired Evercore Partners to sell BusinessWeek, The New
York Times reported, but analysts questioned how much interest there
would be.

Peadawg

July 14th, 2009
9:49 am

Hey CopyLeft, is this the change you believed in? Paying for Obama’s spending spree that he continues to do every day? All I remember during his campaign was “cut spending cut spending no earmarks cut spending”. That was the change I believed in…not this spending spree. Hope your grandkids have fun paying off the debt that you and other dems voted for!

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 14th, 2009
9:49 am

The United States has Budweiser, the self-proclaimed King of Beers. If
Suntory and Kirin go ahead with a merger, Japan could soon have the
Godzilla,

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 14th, 2009
9:52 am

Bank of America, which is trying to avoid paying billions of dollars in
fees for government guarantees against losses at Merrill Lynch, saying
the rescue agreement was never signed, ought to pay up,

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 14th, 2009
9:54 am

Marc S. Dreier, once a high-flying New York lawyer who orchestrated a
fraud scheme that bilked hedge funds and other investors of $700
million, was sentenced on Monday to 20 years in prison.

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 14th, 2009
9:56 am

Bernard L. Madoff, convicted last month of orchestrating a massive
Ponzi scheme, was moved from his Manhattan jail cell to a prison in
Atlanta, the Bureau of Prisons said in the early hours Tuesday.

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

July 14th, 2009
10:17 am

REAGAN, BUSH SENIOR,BUSH JR. THESE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS WERE IN POWER WHEN AMERICA LOST JOBS AND GAS PRICES WENT UP,NOTICE ALL OF THE DESTRUCTION THAT COMES WHEN A REPUBLICAN IS PRESIDENT,BOTTOMLINE THE GOP PARTY IS A PARTY OF LYING CHEATING STEALING AND KILLING MACHINE,ALL TRAITS OF SATAN,KILL STEAL AND DESTROY,SOUNDS JUST LIKE A REPUBLICAN,JESUS VALUES OR SATANS VALUES?

Churchill"s MOM

July 14th, 2009
10:18 am

Jim, I thought you had left. Gere is what our next president wrote in the Washington Post.

By Sarah Palin
Tuesday, July 14, 2009

There is no shortage of threats to our economy. America’s unemployment rate recently hit its highest mark in more than 25 years and is expected to continue climbing. Worries are widespread that even when the economy finally rebounds, the recovery won’t bring jobs. Our nation’s debt is unsustainable, and the federal government’s reach into the private sector is unprecedented.

Unfortunately, many in the national media would rather focus on the personality-driven political gossip of the day than on the gravity of these challenges. So, at risk of disappointing the chattering class, let me make clear what is foremost on my mind and where my focus will be:

I am deeply concerned about President Obama’s cap-and-trade energy plan, and I believe it is an enormous threat to our economy. It would undermine our recovery over the short term and would inflict permanent damage.

American prosperity has always been driven by the steady supply of abundant, affordable energy. Particularly in Alaska, we understand the inherent link between energy and prosperity, energy and opportunity, and energy and security. Consequently, many of us in this huge, energy-rich state recognize that the president’s cap-and-trade energy tax would adversely affect every aspect of the U.S. economy.

There is no denying that as the world becomes more industrialized, we need to reform our energy policy and become less dependent on foreign energy sources. But the answer doesn’t lie in making energy scarcer and more expensive! Those who understand the issue know we can meet our energy needs and environmental challenges without destroying America’s economy.

Job losses are so certain under this new cap-and-tax plan that it includes a provision accommodating newly unemployed workers from the resulting dried-up energy sector, to the tune of $4.2 billion over eight years. So much for creating jobs.

In addition to immediately increasing unemployment in the energy sector, even more American jobs will be threatened by the rising cost of doing business under the cap-and-tax plan. For example, the cost of farming will certainly increase, driving down farm incomes while driving up grocery prices. The costs of manufacturing, warehousing and transportation will also increase.

The ironic beauty in this plan? Soon, even the most ardent liberal will understand supply-side economics.

The Americans hit hardest will be those already struggling to make ends meet. As the president eloquently puts it, their electricity bills will “necessarily skyrocket.” So much for not raising taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year.

Even Warren Buffett, an ardent Obama supporter, admitted that under the cap-and-tax scheme, “poor people are going to pay a lot more for electricity.”

We must move in a new direction. We are ripe for economic growth and energy independence if we responsibly tap the resources that God created right underfoot on American soil. Just as important, we have more desire and ability to protect the environment than any foreign nation from which we purchase energy today.

In Alaska, we are progressing on the largest private-sector energy project in history. Our 3,000-mile natural gas pipeline will transport hundreds of trillions of cubic feet of our clean natural gas to hungry markets across America. We can safely drill for U.S. oil offshore and in a tiny, 2,000-acre corner of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge if ever given the go-ahead by Washington bureaucrats.

clyde

July 14th, 2009
10:23 am

It looks to me like my share of the deficit is payable so let’s all get together and pay the deficit off before Friday,then we can talk some sort of healthcare system.Unless we do that then I’m against any change at the moment.

Jackie

July 14th, 2009
10:25 am

I love the fact the Repubs are using Sen. Sessions (R-AL) to lead the questioning of Judge Sotomayor relative to her fitness to be a US Supreme Court Justice.

Jeff Sessions, with the temerity to question ANYONE about their perceived/real bias and discriminatory actions. Please, do not stop this public emulation of the Repubs.

Secondly, the Repubs are trying to have it both ways regarding the economy. When it is going well, Ronald Reagan is their hero; when it is not going well, Ronald Reagan is dead and there is no need to bring him into the argument.

Copyleft

July 14th, 2009
10:27 am

Peadawg: All I remember during his campaign was “cut spending cut spending no earmarks cut spending.”

I’m sure that WAS all you heard… of course, that’s not all that was said, but it was all you heard!

Chris Broe

July 14th, 2009
10:31 am

Grading Wooten: A+

How long will Wooten extend his sojourn from truth?

BRUNO

July 14th, 2009
10:34 am

WHY IS IT YOU CITE COST/DEBT ON MATTERS THAT BENEFIT THE NATION BUT YOU DON’T SAY ANYTHING WHEN WE BORROW FOR NATION BUILDING?
WHAT WAS THE NATION’S DEBT ON JAN19? WAS THE TRUE WAR COST INCLUDED?

Chris Broe

July 14th, 2009
10:36 am

Sarah goes from “You Betcha” to a pedanticly over-edited manifesto of economic woes in today’s Washington Post.

Now THAT’S funny.

bwa

Lovin’ Palin

jbmlaw

July 14th, 2009
10:46 am

As we are sure to find out, four years can seem an eternity.

Munch

July 14th, 2009
10:56 am

Wooten says: “Right now, they’re all that stands between the ambitions of this generation of liberal politicians and the quality-of-life stealing debt burden being shifted to our children and grand-children.”

As usual, Wooten is completely off the mark. More accurate would be:

Right now, the Blue Dogs are all that stand in the way of the establishment of a health care reform that is desired by the overwhelming majority of Americans.

or

Right now, they’re all that stands in the way of eliminating the non-productive skimmers and grifters of the health insurance industry from the health care equation.

Do the Math

July 14th, 2009
11:01 am

Don’t point at children becuase the fault is placed on baby boomers on up that have gotten fat and wealthy off of our children’s future.

Will taxes go up? No answer needed here.

We need a house clearing of all politicians. Zero base hiring. Period.

Chris Broe

July 14th, 2009
11:10 am

The AJC reported that a man fell in a vat of chocolate and died. The police rounded up the usual Oompa Loompas.

ron

July 14th, 2009
11:19 am

jbmlaw,
Is that actually you or an imposter.If it is you,welcome back.

Chris Broe

July 14th, 2009
11:22 am

Why didn’t someone think to give Gov. Sanford a drug test? He was obviously out of it. I think he was stoned. Would explain alot, no?

M. Poster

July 14th, 2009
11:25 am

It’s that same ol’ imposter, who had Ragnarlaw’s permission to impost him. Just seemed like something he’d write and I was feeling a little wistful for some of the old regulars who have moved on.

I could use a good cup of bile. Where’s tftt when you need him?

Mark Sanford

July 14th, 2009
11:28 am

I did not have inhale relations with that woman … Mary Jane.

PappyHappy

July 14th, 2009
11:41 am

A survey by the Physicians’ Foundation has uncovered what it calls widespread frustration and concern among primary care physicians nationwide, which could lead to a dramatic decrease in practicing doctors in the near future. The survey examined the causes behind the doctors’ dissatisfaction, the state of their practices and the future of care.

The resulting findings show the possibility of significantly decreased access for Americans in the years ahead, as many doctors are forced to reduce the number of patients they see or quit the practice of medicine outright.

An overwhelming majority — 78 percent — of physicians believe that there is an existing shortage of primary care doctors in the United States today. Additionally, nearly half of them — 49 percent, or more than 150,000 practicing doctors– say that over the next three years they plan to reduce the number of patients they see or stop practicing entirely.

“Going into this project we generally knew about the shortage of physicians; what we didn’t know is how much worse it could get over the next few years,” said Lou Goodman, PhD, President of The Physicians’ Foundation. “The bottom line is that the person you’ve known as your family doctor could be getting ready to disappear — and there might not be a replacement.”

To test the above, I have asked my local physicians their plans. The answers were shocking: one is planning on leaving practice and start operating equipment for other physicians — to rid himself of malpractice insurance, and bureaucratic paper work from the government. Another one is looking into leaving his medical practice for ‘moral reasons’ if ‘Obama Care’ comes about. He reminded me that a physician’s first obligation is “to do no harm’. None that I spoke to are recommending the medical profession to young students due to government interference; bureaucracy; possible use of a board of bureaucrats to determine cost effective treatment; and the lack of TORT reform from the politicians — many of whom are lawyers.

My sensing is that Obama is already having an ‘unintended consequence’ on our health care system: A SHORTAGE OF PHYSICIANS!! Now that is change we will believe in within a few years!!

HIS OWN DOCTOR IS AGAINST ‘OBAMA CARE’!!
http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/18/obama-doctor-knocks-obamacare-business-healthcare-obamas-doctor.html

Is this the kind of medical care you want in the future – from your ‘Friendly Government’??
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-us-va-hospital-error,0,2658719.story

Strongly suggest you get a copy of the August 2009 issue of ‘CONSUMER REPORTS’. There is an article entitled “A PRESCRIPTION FOR HEALTH CARE”. Great piece!! Members of Congress should have this as required reading, and put their pork projects and lobbyists aside on this issue!!

ASK YOUR OWN PHYSICIANS THEIR PLANS, AND THEIR MOTIVATIONS!! YOU ARE GOING TO BE SHOCKED AT WHAT YOU FIND!!

Look at our medical schools!! Are they filled? If not, why not???

Folks, the politicians HAVE NOT ACCOMPLISHED THEIR BASIC HOMEWORK!! With a looming doctor shortage – which will no doubt worsen if President Obama’s policies come to fruition – WHO WILL DELIVER HEALTH CARE? HENRY WAXMAN??????

Concerned? Call Sen Baucus’ office:

Committee On Finance
219 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510-6200
(202) 224-4515

Solution

July 14th, 2009
11:42 am

I have got a solution to all of our problems. It will cut the price of health care, make people healthier, and make us a better country.

ALL FREELOADERS, GET OFF OF YOUR CAN AND GO TO WORK!!!!!!

alohagator

July 14th, 2009
11:44 am

The U.S. government rang up a $94.32 billion budget deficit in June, 2009.

By contrast, Bill Clinton – the last Democrat POTUS, in fiscal year 2000 ran up a $17.9 billion dollar budget deficit.

$94.32 billion deficit for one month versus $17.9 billion deficit for an entire year.

Bush was a terrible president but this a$$clown we have now is a total moron!

Elections have consequences… We need change even a styrofoam coffee cup can understand!

Solution

July 14th, 2009
11:51 am

Alohagator—I have to agree.

Gotta love the Obamanomics(or lack there of)

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
12:09 pm

Wooten, who has never had to provide a second of health care, nor had tobl worry about health care for himself or his family, has no understanding of the greater cost of the status quo. If the Blue Dog (Cowardly and essentially Republicans) stad in the way of a public option, they’ll be defeated.

Wooten has never had the experience of arguing with an insurance company who wanted to cut a patient’s benefits when they got very sick and needed a life threatening operation and treatment for cancer to save a patient’s life. Those of us who have watched insurance companies screw physicians and patients and who have battled them to save patients know a public option will happen. There are plenty of legitimate places to get the money to finance a health care plan that will save money that is hemorrhaging from the treasury.

Mr. Wooten seems not to be aware of the phony data bases that overbilled patients by billions and screwed physicians out of reimbursement that multi state task forces after proving they were based on false data are in the process of using to claw back this money for patients and doctors. These are available to Mr. Wooten on line and AG Cuomo of New York has led state AGs in clawing back this money.

The 1.5 billion that Chambiliss stupidly wanted to waste on an obsolete F22 will instead by saved and can be applied towards health care. Ceasing stupid operations in Iraq would provide money that can pay for health care, and basically the money will be provided by taxing those in the upper income brackets who make over 250 grand per year.

Myth: Health reform will be paid for by “cutting” Medicare and Medicaid

This is the latest line trotted out by conservatives and picked up by the media, that we’re going to cut Medicare and Medicaid to pay for health reform. We’re not cutting Medicare or Medicaid, if by cut you mean doing anything that will lower people’s benefits. We’re finding savings in the program. And that’s not just spin.

Here’s an example: Right now, Medicaid pays hospitals a sum of money (which varies geographically) to help make up the losses they incur for treating patients that show up in the emergency room without insurance (who hospitals are legally required to treat). After health reform is passed, the number of uninsured in this country will diminish. These payments will therefore become redundant and can be phased out, yielding savings without cutting anyone’s benefits.

Myth: We’re just waiting for reconciliation on health care so we only need Democratic votes to pass it

This one isn’t true…yet.

Right now, the Senate is still operating under regular order, which means we will need 60 votes to end a filibuster and cut off debate over a health care reform bill. (Aside: Which Senators are going to be the ones to filibuster health care? People should start asking them that.) There is, however, an October 15th deadline. If the Senate is unable to move a health reform bill under regular order, they must move one under reconciliation by October 15th. So, right now, Harry Reid and other Senate leadership are giving Republicans every opportunity to come on board and vote for real health reform. If they don’t come on board, that’s what reconciliation is for.

Myth: Health reform will cost too much and put a burden on families

This is the most insidious of the right-wing lies. In reality, the cost of doing nothing on health reform will bankrupt families, and reforming health care will save the average American family thousands per year.

If we don’t reform our health care system and bring down skyrocketing costs, the average family will be paying almost $10,000 more per year for health care by 2016 than they do now. Our government will be bankrupt. And we’ll spend one in every five dollars in our entire economy on health care, up from the already astronomical one in seven that we spend now. The cost of doing nothing is simply unacceptable, and those against reform are willing to bankrupt families, government and our entire country to serve their obstructionism.

Not to mention that reforming health care will reduce costs for families. According to the Commonwealth Fund [pdf], health care reform that puts everyone in, gives people affordable options, and includes a strong public health insurance option (like that proposed by the House of Representatives) would save the average family $2,228 per year.

Plus, health reform will be fully financed. In the House, it will be paid for by a combination of Medicare and Medicaid savings, a public health insurance option that saves money, and a 1% tax on those that make over a quarter of a million dollars per year.

Get Real

July 14th, 2009
12:21 pm

$1.35 Trillion dollars in tax cuts back in 2001 that were supposed to create millions of jobs and put more money in the hands of small business and citizens. Instead, this nation experienced its slowest growth in 50 years. Wooten and these lame, so-called ‘conservatives’ were grinning from ear to ear while Bush squandered Clinton’s surplus and put two wars on a credit card with his ‘fuzzy math’. Now after they’re sitting at the kids table, they want to yell and scream about deficits and fiscal restraint. What was the deficit on 1/19/09 Wooten?

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
12:24 pm

By the way, this 60 vote crap is a myth. I’d like to introduce the principle of Reconciliation in the US Senate into Mr. Wooten’s vocabulary. It’s never too late to learn, even in retirement. The dems only need to use the rule on reconciliation which requires 51 votes. Kennedy and Byrd almost never vote because they are very ill. Sanders from Vermont is an Independent who votes as a liberal Dem on many issues and is at the leading edge on not only a public health care plan but a single payer plan which most Wooten mousketeers don’t understand because they take a Palinesque approach to reading and education. Dumb and dumber is better. Think education in Georgia. Lieberman and Specter vote as Republicans on almost every issue.

Via Reconciliation which the Democrats stand ready to use to pass a public plan, we need only 51 votes and we have them easily.

Reconciliation Process – A process established in the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 by which Congress changes existing laws to conform tax and spending levels to the levels set in a budget resolution. Changes recommended by committees pursuant to a reconciliation instruction are incorporated into a reconciliation measure.

Get Real

July 14th, 2009
12:27 pm

Alohagator, how much debt did Bush run up in 2003?

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
12:31 pm


The Republcans, to whom reading is anathma, need constant reminding that this stat is genuine. When Bush left on Jan. 20, this country was losing 7,00,000 jobs per month. Right now, the latest figures are we are losing half that many jobs per month on the street in the real world. We were left on the cusp of a Depression on the scale of 1920 by Bush. Obama’s stimulus pulled this country back from the brink of another Depression even worse than the one in 1929.

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
12:35 pm

RECONCILIATION does not seem to be in the vocabulary of Ditz Brain in Wading Boots, or her blind disciples here (she of the dead fish stay in office, and live fish come out of the water to breath air and quit because the stress is too great for a borderline personality).

Alabama Doc

July 14th, 2009
12:43 pm

Yes it all started with LBJ, the government already controls much of health care spending, the “LBJ” rules allow hospitals to get paid more for private rooms than “wards”. It allows the capital cost basis to be paid plus profit. This means the private hospital with the large parking deck is paid more medicare dollars than the county charity hospital. Ie higher cost are reimbursed higher, so the game changed to increase cost and therefore profits. Ultimately their aint no such thing as a free lunch, the wage earners pay for all costs of health care, hidden taxes, hidden costs. Only a return to free market economics will work, if Kaiser P is the low cost option they get the subscribers! Charity is charity it will never change even if the taxes are mandated!

DebbieDoRight

July 14th, 2009
12:48 pm

Oh Wow……NOW Wooten wants to talk healthcare!!! When the repuglicans were in power for the last 8+ years, why didn’t they do something THEN??? Why NOW are they so indignant about little old things like budgets and healthcare? Why wouldn’t the repuglicans reform healthcare on their watch? I guess it’s because there was no PROFIT in it for them then and they could always pull out that flag and say that you were “unpatriotic” if you questioned anything that htey did…………..

Cindy

July 14th, 2009
12:51 pm

I just can’t understand how an American can be so hateful as in wanting to deny another American life saving medical treatment. Do these people really value a concept over human life?

Dimotard Wash, Rinse, & SPIN

July 14th, 2009
12:52 pm

The mindless dumbMasses on the moveon.moonbat.org crackpot left believes that we can just tax that small minority of tax payers (who ALREADY pay a disproportionally large portion of IRS revenue taken in), the rich, to pay for all their fairy tale socialist liberal agendas. Not the least of which is gov’t run health care, which is only really needed for about 8 million people who TRULY need assistance (NOT illegals, NOT those who CAN afford a health care plan but CHOOSE not to).

Then the news of the day is Sotomayor backtracking on what she has racially said in the past.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31904261/ns/politics-white_house

And on that note, you have to give it up for the Urinal Constipation headline today that effectively says Sotomayor will legislate impartially. Funny, did the Urinal Constipation give that benefit of the doubt to Roberts or Thomas? And you have to remember there weren’t even ON RECORD comments from Roberts or Thomas saying they were more capable of legislating than a black/white/latino/female, etc.

We now return you to the resident libtard blog troglodyte trash drooler with no life. Thanks.

alohagator

July 14th, 2009
12:55 pm

Get Real – It sure as hell wasn’t $94.32 billion in a single month!

One month …. $95 billion dollar deficit… That breaks down to $3,144,000,000 per day genius.

Instead of looking backwards and blaming Bush for all the world’s problems, why don’t you see what’s right in front of your eyes?

Would someone please explain how we as a nation can borrow and spend our way out of debt?

Even if both wars stopped today and we cancelled all defense spending and we raised taxes on the rich to 75%, the budget would still be out of balance.

Maybe we ought to consider Clinton’s famed slogan, “Pay as we go”.

If I need stuff I only buy what I have the money to pay for. Our illustrious leaders in Washington, D.C. should be forced to do the same.

Please run Palin in 2012!s

July 14th, 2009
12:56 pm

Let’s get much clearer than Jim Wooten who has no medical training whatsoever, has always had primo insurance coverage through his employers.

The health care bill that comes from the Senate may well be a piece of crap.

But it is possible via Reconciliation in the Senate (the principle not the word used in its dictionary definition)to pass a bill that isn’t a bailout for the insurance companies.

The lobbyists from the insurance industry have homeless people standing in line for them so they can fill the front row seats in the hearings, staring down members of Congress as they text their requests to staff members.

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jconservative

July 14th, 2009
1:21 pm

“I see the “usuals” here are drifting back to bring up Reagan who has been dead these many years. So who cares about Reagan in current finances.”

Dusty, what we have is a 28 year fire that has about consumed the house.
We are not going to put it out by spraying a little water on it.
We must do something more radical. For starters try never again voting for an incumbent. The people standing by watching the fire burn & throwing a little more kindling on it have been the incumbents.
We would be a lot better off if every elected official only served one term. So vote for the other guy and when he is up for re-election, vote for the other guy.

Going into fiscal year 2009 we had a 10 trillion dollar deficit.
I predict we will re-elect most incumbents & double the deficit in the next 7 to 10 years.

Atlanta Native

July 14th, 2009
1:26 pm

If you contracted to have two bridges built by a contractor and later found out that both were on the verge of collapse which would you do?
A) Hire that contractor to build a third bridge, or
B) Make the contractor repair the previous two before he/she gets anymore work from you, or
C) Ignore the issue completely?

Congress is the contractor. Medicare and Medicaid are the first two bridges.

For those who picked A) you support the healthcare intitiative, because, although Medicare and Medicaid are seriously in trouble but you want the new bridge so bad you do not care. Result – disaster

For those who picked C) you support the last administration’s approach of laissez faire and think what we have is a good idea. Result – disaster

For the few who pick B), people with conservative values but no blind allegiance to the Republican Party, you have chosen the correct option, though it is not out there. Reform is to make Medicare and Medicaid work and to create clinics for the poor, needy or shiftless to keep them out of the hospital emergency room with simple problems. Result – responsible solution.

The plan being touted is garbage. Doing nothing is also the poor choice. The third way requires admitting that Medicare and Medicaid need to be fixed and what is needed is a safety net for the disabled, those without the faculties to support themselves in a free market system and the lazy. That is what is needed, not throwing out everything, starting over and mortgaging our future without taking time to fix the existing system.

Pitiful that our politicians would rather mortgage our future or turn a blind eye rather than take a fiscally responsible approach to a problem.