Serving California and the other America

Once upon a time, back oh, say, a year or so ago, back when ordinary public stockholders owned the car companies, it mattered a great deal.  Now, maybe not.

At issue is whether a single state can implement pollution restrictions for cars that require national manufacturers to build one car for 49 states and another for the 50th.  When, however, the 50th is California, population 38.6 million, the size of the market pretty much precludes manufacturers from any realistic option of walking away.  That’s why they fought for years efforts by California politicians to impose fuel efficiency and emissions standards tougher than those that apply to the rest of the country.

It’s amazing the difference that a few months makes.  On Tuesday, the Environmental Protection Agency gave California permission to impose its own regulations. “This decision puts the law and science first,” said EPA administrator Lisa Jackson.  Those are the buzzwords — law and science — that the Obama administration uses to gloss over serious philosophical disagreements, as it did with federal funding for embryonic stem cell research.

Events have overtaken the issues of the debate.  The House-passed energy tax will be far more consequential than anything California might have done to raise the cost of a single product.  And the major car companies, Ford excluded, are owned by the government or the auto workers’ union.  Its voice in opposition is largely silenced. 

While the significance of this particular case has been diminished by the political shift, the fact remains that no company should be forced to manufacturer one product for California, or any other large-market state, and another that’s materially different for the rest of the country.

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jt

July 1st, 2009
8:26 am

“While the significance of this particular case has been diminished by the political shift, the fact remains that no company should be forced to manufacturer one product for California, or any other large-market state, and another that’s materially different for the rest of the country”

I don’t think they are “forced to”.

Redneck Convert

July 1st, 2009
8:31 am

Well, if California was made to breathe the same dirty air and drink the same filthy water the rest of us do, the state wouldn’t have so many Fruits and Nuts. It might even turn Conservative. That’s why they ought to make a law keeping California from using diffrent air and water standards.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good day everybody.

Freakenstein

July 1st, 2009
8:41 am

Well, that Al Freaken and Dimlib goons succeeded in stealing the election in MN. Note how they only went into heavy Freaken districts and challenged ballots that were not counted. What did the Republican’ts do? Sit back and do nothing as usual. These same Dimlib goons tried to steal the election in the same manner in Florida in 2000, but they didn’t get away with it and the Florida Supreme Court would have none of the shenanigans. But, this is going to be great to watch this idiot – who even sucks as a comedian – try to be a senator. I give him one term before Minnesotans wake up to their idiocy – and this idiot. But even with 60 seats, the Dimlib Pelosicrats already had a filibuster proof majority with jackals like those RINOs that voted for the Dunce Cap & Traitor Bill. But, you watch this as well: when these Dimlibs push all their socialist, draconian, economic-killing horse manure through, watch the wretched shiesters blame Bush and Republicans for their failures. Sorry jackals: you’ve already been running Congress for two and a half years now. You own it. You are responsible.

Aquagirl

July 1st, 2009
8:42 am

Gee, Jim, whatever happened to “States’ rights,” buzzwords used by right-wingers to gloss over serious philosophical differences?

If anyone needs to sit down and STFU, it’s Ford and other domestic auto companies. They couldn’t survive in the business world without corporate welfare. I have little sympathy if they whine.

Freakenstein

July 1st, 2009
8:48 am

“They couldn’t survive in the business world without corporate welfare.”

Idiot. Corporate “welfare” is government breaks given to companies who provide their EMPLOYEES with benefits such as child care assistance, education assistance, retirement/401k assistance, MEDICAL, DENTAL, and other benefits. What, do you knuckle-dragging libtards think those evil greedy corporations are just going to suck up those expenses themselves? MAN you people on the left are too stupid to get out of your own way of logical and factual thinking.

spence

July 1st, 2009
8:57 am

Franken won’t last long – someone will catch him in a toilet stall with Barney Frank and it will be over!

AmVet

July 1st, 2009
8:59 am

Jimbo, your Stars & Bars gang here ain’t gonna like that you advocate trampling all over their States Rights.

Aquagirl, shhh! The conned shuckers and grinners don’t wanna know anything more (at all?) about that dirty little corporate welfare secret that’s out now. (Though I guarantee you they’ve never even learned what it is, how sickeningly pervasive it is, the vast amount of ill-gotten money involved or the consequences to American consumers, share holders and tax payers.) They like taking it up the ___ from those cats.

Beats me as to why, I guess they learned it as children…

Aquagirl

July 1st, 2009
9:02 am

@ Freak: I beg your pardon. I missed the memo appointing you Official Definer Of Corporate Welfare.

And I’m not sure anyone will be watching Al Franklin as he takes his rightfully elected Senate seat. The Mark Sanford train wreck is beyond anything Franklin dreamed up for Saturday Night Live.

Aquagirl

July 1st, 2009
9:08 am

Oops—should have been “Franken,” it’s been a while since both the election and my viewing Saturday Night Live.

Munch

July 1st, 2009
9:13 am

Two points leap out from the latest “effort” from the (lamentably) unretired Wooten:

i) Complaint about the right of a state to establish its own policies — this is (or at least used to be) a cornerstone of conservative belief, that states have the right to establish their own policies. In practice, wingnuts like Wooten only support state’s rights when it is used to deny equal protection to minorities or labor.

ii) Wootie’s complaint about auto companies being forced to toe the California line on emissions standards stands in opposition to a core-conservative tenet, that being that the market determines how consumers and producers shall behave. If the auto companies find the California restrictions too onerous, they can walk. And leave that market share to the company that responds to the vacuum. But as with state rights, the hand of the market is to be admired selectively.

Everyone…ignore this new guy Freak. He is a regurgitator of the Hannity/Beck brand of bullshyte, and is not to be taken seriously. He will go away as soon as he has typed out all of the thoughts that he heard somewhere else but now believe to be his own.

Get Real

July 1st, 2009
9:28 am

“That’s why they fought for years efforts by California politicians to impose fuel efficiency and emissions standards tougher than those that apply to the rest of the country.” And what is fundamentally wrong with this Wooten? Like Aquagirl stated, you claim states rights for gay marriage, but not in this instance. Surely, you can’t be championing the interests of corporations that you wanted to go bankrupt anyway, over that of ’states rights’? Please take him a senior home.

Dr. Marti Hernandez Rojas

July 1st, 2009
9:32 am

Well, at least it has a more appropriately descriptive blog handle now.

And, you’ve got to admire the fortitude of Redneck Convert. He perseveres long after jbmlaw, Glenn and Dusty abandoned ship. By the way, is Wooten going for the record for longest farewell? Or maybe the whole “retiring,” thing was schtick, like the Dallas “dream season.”

Munch

July 1st, 2009
9:32 am

Just a quick corrective to the historical revisionism offered by Freak…

In the 2000 Florida recount, the Florida Supreme Court was prevented from enforcing the state laws governing recounts because George W Bush brought a suit to the US Supreme Court, which eventually issued its “one-time only” ruling that imposed an activist judicial outcome on the presidential election. Note this fact…it was Bush that filed suit to have the judiciary intervene, not Al Gore.

Wingnuts like to re-write history. Or put another way, they’re a bunch of damned liars.

1984

July 1st, 2009
9:35 am

AmVet, nice, calling bloggers stars and bars supporters. I guess I can assume you belong to the black panther party with all of your racist black friends. Troglodyte. Oh, I noticed how you used that word yesterday and thought to myself, didn’t CommunistAJC use that word? YEP! Moron.

Aquagirl, I’m guessing that you’ve never worked in the private sector before. That would explain your disdain for private companies. I’m also guessing that you hold a degree in one of the following: philosophy, pottery making, jogging, hemp studies or just maybe one of them general studies degrees that allows you to graduate due to a lack of accomplishments.

1984

July 1st, 2009
9:37 am

Munch, AL Gore lost. If he didn’t he would have fought it tooth and nail. Too bad because I’m guessing by now, if he’d been president, we’d have had over 100 terrorist attacks that he would call “man-made” disasters. Anyone who makes up $hit like global warming, all while driving 20 SUVs, flying 747s around the world, and lives in a 20 room mansion is the biggest liar I’ve ever seen. Then again, liberals are a bunch of pansy, lying pieces of dung anyway.

1984

July 1st, 2009
9:38 am

Dr. Marti Hernandez Rojas eats dead babies. She also works as a fake doctor with Pubs retard. They moonlight as surgeons at the local gay bar all while taking it up the poop chute with a four foot long dildo.

1984

July 1st, 2009
9:40 am

Munch is too much. “Hey everybody, lets ignore Freak.”

Girl, you are such a moron! Talk about stupidity. If you want to ignore someone you don’t scream “LETS IGNORE HIM WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, I’M A TWO YEAR OLD AND HE STOLE MY BALL, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Copyleft

July 1st, 2009
9:41 am

Those are the buzzwords — law and science — that the Obama administration uses to gloss over serious philosophical disagreements

And, by an amazing coincidence, they’re also the two areas that wingnuts have no hope of understanding!

Now just hush and sit in the corner, Republicans. You’ve been bad and you’re grounded.

1984

July 1st, 2009
9:42 am

Munch, at least Freak resonates with a larger audience. Not like MSNBC or CNN where their ratings are in the tank. I bet if pisses you off that FOX is having its best year ever.

Munch

July 1st, 2009
9:43 am

Orwell, I made no assertion about who won or lost. The fact is that Bush was the one who pulled an activist judiciary into the process and prevented the State of Florida from completing the process mandated by their own laws.

The rest of your drivel is just regurgitated Beck, unworthy of response.

Churchill's MOM

July 1st, 2009
9:44 am

Jim 2 in a row about California, look at the mess those men are making, you need to write about our next President. By the way Jenny is married to a realy stupid man, just goes to show a woman needs to marry up rather than down.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/24392.html

***************Handel 2010***********Palin Sanford 2012**************

Munch

July 1st, 2009
9:44 am

Copyleft @9:41

Yeah, I loved Wooten’s cavalier dismissal of the concepts of law and science. I guess he is nostalgic for the Bush regime where such inconvenient notions were ignored.

Captain Freedom's Immortal Soul

July 1st, 2009
9:45 am

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time for the truth

July 1st, 2009
9:56 am

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jbmlaw

July 1st, 2009
9:56 am

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political foreskin

July 1st, 2009
9:57 am

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Jackie

July 1st, 2009
9:59 am

@1984

Please, give us more of your profound insight.

AmVet

July 1st, 2009
10:00 am

Ahhh, 1984, and you were doing so GOOD! For a couple of posts anyway where you actually dropped the sheer venom and personal attacks and insults. I predicted correctly it wouldn’t last.

Did you suffer any internal damage trying to be non-cretinous?

I personally enjoy you better this way. I suppose most here do. Rather than that silly, transparent charade of a being a reasoned, relevant and civil-tongued “libertarian”.

Keep the laughs coming…

Tricky D

July 1st, 2009
10:20 am

Hey Jim, OVER HERE!!! What about the financial mess Georgia is in? Sonny is about to withhold funds to state agencies by Executive Order. Don’t you think that has more of an affect on your readers than anything Cali does?

Churchill's MOM

July 1st, 2009
10:23 am

Why are men so interested in throbbing thighs on our next President?

Tell me about a memorable run during the campaign that really stands out.

Oh, my gosh, the one that really stands out I’m embarrassed to death to repeat. I went for a run at John McCain’s ranch a couple of days before the debate with Joe Biden. My favorite thing in the world is to run on hot, dusty roads. I don’t get enough of that in Alaska. So I was in heaven and there were plenty of hills so I knew my thighs were going to just throb and my lungs were going to burn and that’s what I crave.

I like running alone and having the Secret Service with me added a little bit of pressure. I’m thinking I gotta have good form and can’t be hyperventilating and can’t be showing too much pain and that adds a little more pressure on you as you’re trying to be out there enjoying your run. Then I fell coming down a hill and was so stinkin’ embarrassed that a golf cart full of Secret Service guys had to pull up beside me. My hands just got torn up and I was dripping blood. In the debate you could see a big fat ugly Band-Aid on my right hand. I have a nice war wound now as a reminder of that fall in the palm of my right hand. For much of the campaign, shaking hands was a little bit painful.

***************Handel 2010***********Palin Sanford 2012**************

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 1st, 2009
10:25 am

As General Motors and the auto-parts company Magna International
struggle to conclude a deal for Opel, G.M. is talking to other
potential buyers in a bid to win better terms.

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 1st, 2009
10:26 am

Beijing Automotive Industry Holding, Geely Automobile Holdings of
China, and at least one “Western industrial group” remain interested in
Ford’s Volvo car unit,

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 1st, 2009
10:27 am

Nomura Holdings, Japan’s largest brokerage, said it agreed to acquire
Citigroup’s Japanese trust banking unit for $196 million to bolster its
asset administration business.

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 1st, 2009
10:29 am

A war of the words is on between Goldman Sachs and Rolling Stone’s Matt
Taibbi, who wrote an article subtitled: “How Goldman Sachs took over
Washington by engineering every major market manipulation since the
Great Depression.”

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 1st, 2009
10:31 am

George Soros, the billionaire financier and hedge fund manager,
predicted a “stop-go” economy for the United States, saying fears of
inflation will drive up interest rates and choke off growth.

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 1st, 2009
10:33 am

A federal judge on Tuesday revoked bail for R. Allen Stanford, the
Texas billionaire accused of masterminding a $7 billion fraud, sending
him back to jail to await trial.

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 1st, 2009
10:33 am

J. Ezra Merkin, the New York financier who lost billions of his
clients’ money in the Madoff scheme, agreed to sell his famed art
collection for $310 million in a deal that could pave the way for a
future settlement with New York Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo.

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

July 1st, 2009
10:34 am

Shareholders of the American International Group got apologies but
little else at the insurer’s annual meeting, a day after the company
disclosed that more material losses could still be coming.

Logical Dude

July 1st, 2009
10:47 am

So, Jim, You agree that the States Rights are invalid? Why is it that when States try to make decisions, only some of those decisions should outweigh Federal decisions, and some are chosen the other way around? You’re confusing me here regarding the power of the State vs. power of the federal government.

Jefferson

July 1st, 2009
11:01 am

Resistence is futile.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

July 1st, 2009
11:17 am

This is an important question, because it could have infinite/endless ramnifications and in the courts may raise a Supremacy/pre-emption challenge that could be granted cert. by the Supremes.

However, I can’t help smiling because Mr. Wooten’s party–what’s left of it–has always traditionally insisted on states rights except when Bush, Cheney, Addington, Yoo, Bradford chose to trash the Constitution.

Gay marriage? Abortion? Leave it to the states says Wooten’s party smugly. And states are beginning to pass the legislation.

A number of other questions the Pubs want to leave to the states. Abortion is one, if they can’t get rid of it all together. That’s going to be unlikely with the first of 3 probable Obama appointments to the Court. Currently states pass imbecilic laws chipping away at abortion. Georgia has tried to pass one that will eliminate many biotech research companies in this state and the climate has already discouraged many from locating here when they can locate in a supportive climate that allows emb stem research (to the limited extent the Obama administration has said they’ll free federal grants for it–as predicted, NIH is dragging its feet setting up guidelines that could have and should have been done before Obama announced the executive order that has so far done nothing.

1984

July 1st, 2009
11:34 am

Jackie, touche my dear. Touche.

AmVet, you still do not get me, do you?

1984

July 1st, 2009
11:41 am

Why I will never ever ever vote for racist butt pirate democrats.

Shocking video of NY Democrats sitting through the Pledge of Allegiance

http://ow.ly/ggXq

Peter

July 1st, 2009
12:06 pm

Hey 1984….How many dictators around the world should the USA attack ? I guess according to you we should be in at least 6-10 wars by now ?

Makes lots of sense since you hate dictators, and love it when American’s get bilked by their own government !

Elephant Whip

July 1st, 2009
12:33 pm

1984:

What was it about the year of 1984 that you liked?

1984

July 1st, 2009
12:41 pm

Peter, how many dictators should we attack? Depends on the threat level to us and our allies around the world. Again, you have this problem with assumptions. I’m guessing that you were breast fed until you were 10. Explains a lot.

Elephant Whip, the 84 Olympics in LA.

Elephant Whip

July 1st, 2009
12:51 pm

1984:

What else do you remember about 1984?

1984

July 1st, 2009
12:54 pm

Elephant Whip, greatest TV commercial ever made. Apple Mac Ridley Scott spot that ran once. I also remember Reagan. Why do you keep asking me?

Munch

July 1st, 2009
12:54 pm

Hey there politicos…lost your way at the ballot box? Have your ideas lost their appeal? Can’t seem to muster a coherent argument against your liberal betters?

NO WORRIES!!!!

Just gin up some fake outrage over a faux controversy like this Pledge of Allegiance kerfuffle and hope that nobody notices that you haven’t had a new idea since Reagan came up with the idea to traffic with drug dealers to raise money to send arms to Iran. And Iraq. (Oh yeah, and to Osama bin Laden, who was a creation of the Reagan team in that glory year of 1984.)

Presto! You no longer have to worry about being beaten on the field of ideas…you can simply bluster and sputter about some cheapjack nursery rhyme and whether somebody has their flag lapel pin on straight.

Dipshytes.

Munch

July 1st, 2009
1:02 pm

So the other night I was getting it from behind by Michael Moore and Sean Penn when I thought, hmmm, I wonder if they are wearing eco-friendly condoms. I just can’t bare the thought of my anus taking a deep plunge by non-eco-friendly condoms. It just chapped my hide, no pun intended.