Should feds bail out California (or Atlanta)?

California has a one-year budget deficit that exceeds the cost of operating the entire State of Georgia.   California’s deficit is $24 billion; Georgia’s 2010 budget, which goes into effect on Wednesday, is $18.6 billion. California’s population is 38.6 million;  Georgia’s is 9.6.

The question is:  Should the federal government ride to the rescue, as it did with the financial sector, including banks, and with the automobile industry?

California officials say they’ll make additional budget cuts, but want federal taxpayers to guarantee a portion their borrowings, which would bring lower interest rates.  California, like Atlanta, has been represented by  big-spenders whose short-sightedness has brought financial peril.  Politicians think in four-year cycles and what must be done by way of spending to give incumbents or the incumbent party election advantage.

Atlanta City Council did vote 8-7 on Monday to raise property taxes by about $240 per year for the average homeowner to cover a $56 million gap in the proposed budget.  In Atlanta, where payroll-padding has been a way of political life, it’s never clear to politicians whether the greater risk to their job security comes from alienating property owners or alienating city workers — hence, the 8-7 vote to raise taxes.  All 15 seats on Atlanta City Council and the mayor and council president are up for election this November.

The California debate is essentially contained in the comments of two California Congressmen, U.S. Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Los Angeles) and U.S. Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Bakersville).

“It’s not that California got itself into trouble and wants the federal government to bail it out,” Sherman told the Associated Press.  “California wants the federal government to do for a fee that which Wall Street would do for a fee if Wall Street wasn’t broken.”

Said McCarthy:  “You’ve got many states throughout this country, you’ve got many cities that are in tough financial problems, so they will all come for help.”

Washington is owned by Democrats.  California is owned by Democrats.  San Francisco’s Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the U.S. House, which is owned by Democrats.   Expect a bailout.

The answer is “no, taxpayers shouldn’t start bailing out failed cities and states.”  But we will.

119 comments Add your comment

Get Real

June 30th, 2009
8:59 am

Wooten needs a proofreader, and is late on this topic. The administration already said last week bailing California out is a no go. Just more political posturing from the old man. How about you retire already, you’re well past your born on date.

1984

June 30th, 2009
9:05 am

No and no. Why should we bail out stupid people that have wasted billions of dollars? Atlanta has been run by race baiting blacks like Bill Campbell(racist who hates whitey) and Shirley Franklin(who also hates whitey) for years. These idiots are the same type of people who ran Clayton County into the ground. Not only are these people stupid, they are also racists. California was doomed years ago and it is a good thing that they are going to go bankrupt. Not only will government programs be cut but a lot of people, especially illegal aliens, will have to return to Mexico. Oh well.

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
9:32 am

@1984

You should hope that government funding of programs to help the mentally is not cut as that would severely impact your treatments.

Gordon

June 30th, 2009
9:32 am

Get Real, hasn’t the administration said several things that didn’t turn out to be true? No one making less than $250,000 was supposed to pay any additional taxes, but the administration has not taken taxing medical benefits off the table. I’m not saying they will bail out California, but the fact that they have said they won’t doesn’t mean much.

Peadawg

June 30th, 2009
9:32 am

No and no. Very simple answer.

@@

June 30th, 2009
9:40 am

What’s interesting to me, Jim, is that California’s democrats recently said “NO” to a tax increase. I wonder though, would those same dem voters be O.K. with putting the cost burden onto the rest of America?

Cut the umbilical cord to Washington — call it a late-term abortion — a partial birth for the nation.

No! and No!

spectator

June 30th, 2009
9:57 am

What a complete mess Shirley Franklin and the incompetent boobs on the city council have made when it comes to “managing” Atlanta. The entire council should be thrown out of office. Shirley Franklin should go back to being a secretary or waitress or whatever the heck she was before being elected mayor by the idiot voters of Atlanta. Oh wait, these same idiot voters will just elect replacements who are equally incompetent…seems we can’t win.

oldtimer

June 30th, 2009
9:58 am

Purple

June 30th, 2009
10:05 am

Don’t bail out California or Atlanta. Do bail out northwest Georgia with its 13-percent unemployment.

deegee

June 30th, 2009
10:11 am

I guess JW hasn’t noticed that California has a republican governor. So how can we expect him to notice that California is asking the government to guarantee debt, not lend the money. The comments made by the California congressmen; one republican, one democrat, astutely address the fact that Wall Street used to underwrite debt thereby lowering the interest rate that the borrower would pay on a bond issue. Anyone can buy the bonds. As long as California doesn’t default on the bonds, then the taxpayers are safe. Let’s hope JW isn’t managing his own retirement account. If so, he will be back at work real soon.

booger

June 30th, 2009
10:20 am

Get Real,

Who finds what this admin. says as credible any more? Obama’s famous “I’ll veto any spending bill with earmarks” is a prime example. I will not hire lobbyest another. No tax increases on anyone earning over $250,000 and so on.

I think if you want to see what the country will look like in the future, look at California and double it. At least California has budjet restraints, the country has none, and is spending like a drunken sailor [no offense to the Navy]. The government of California has been told over and over through tax proposals which were voted down that the people preferred fewer services to higher taxes. The government kept spending anyway and now here thy are. Does this sound familiar at the national level.

booger

June 30th, 2009
10:26 am

Deegee,

As long as California doesn’t default on the bonds……

Gm and Chrysler had bond holders too. They also had a well established set of rules which put them ahead of unsecured debt. Look where that got them.

Munch

June 30th, 2009
10:27 am

News from INdiana:

But on Monday, as lawmakers raced to hammer out an agreement over school funding, state agencies began preparing 31,000 workers to be temporarily out of a job. Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels has warned residents that most of the state’s services — including its parks, the Bureau of Motor Vehicles and state-regulated casinos — would be shuttered unless a budget is passed today.

Indiana is one of five states — along with Arizona, California, Mississippi and Pennsylvania — bracing for possible shutdowns this week as time runs out for lawmakers to close billion-dollar gaps in their fiscal 2010 budgets.

Should we just let ‘em all hang?

Do the Math

June 30th, 2009
10:47 am

No, and no. The feds should make long term investments like infrastructure and energy independence and leave budget shortfalls to the local governments that have within their means to fix them.

Yes, the Feds should have helped with the $3B sewer rehab in Atlanta becuase it was a regional problem caused by 60 years of neglect, but a $56M budget shortfall or $98M pension accouting error or missing toilet paper from the bathrooms? Please………………

deegee

June 30th, 2009
10:49 am

The bondholders of GM and Chrysler debt were offered a deal they didn’t want to cut after it became clear that the companies were not going to be able to pull themselves out of the hole they dug.

Churchill's MOM

June 30th, 2009
10:49 am

Mark Sanford only looks washed up. True, as governor of South Carolina, he recently walked off his job to secretly visit his mistress in Argentina. And, true, he was forced to admit his affair in a news conference that made him look stressed out at best and unbalanced at worst.

And, true, at first glance, this appears to have cost him any chance of getting the Republican presidential nomination in 2012. But only at first glance. In reality, there are at least four things Sanford has going for him:

1. He knows how to use people. Before you can lead people, you have to know how to exploit them. When Sanford first ran for Congress in 1994, it was his wife, according to The Washington Post, who actually ran the campaign, even though she “had a 15-month-old and a newborn to care for.” And, as the years went by, she “oversaw his staff, drafted his speeches, set policy and raised money.”

And how did Sanford repay her? By betraying and humiliating her, of course. But that is OK, because now he is really, really sorry and he is asking for God’s forgiveness and her forgiveness and the public’s forgiveness, which is really no more than he deserves.

And he deserves it, he says, because his plight is just like the plight of King David. “David failed, literally, and yet he reconstructed his life, put it back together and became a guy who was after God’s spirit,” Sanford recently told reporters. “So I would say I’m on the larger voyage.”

Why do I get the impression, by the way, that Sanford’s image of King David is drawn not from the Bible so much as from the 1951 Darryl Zanuck epic “David and Bathsheba,” in which Gregory Peck sins but still ends up with Susan Hayward?

No matter. Sanford knows how to use people and religion. He now seeks forgiveness without real atonement. So is this guy a player or what?

2. He already has embarrassed himself as much as he can. It takes some politicians years to get to where Sanford is now.

First, the entire world knows that he wrote the following e-mail to his mistress: “The erotic beauty of you holding yourself (or two magnificent parts of yourself) in the faded glow of night’s light.”

Whoa! Slap some parental controls on this guy’s e-mail account!

But, hey, it can’t get any worse, right? Well, maybe. A number of South Carolinians are angry that Sanford apparently used tax dollars to visit his mistress last summer and disappeared from his job this summer to canoodle with her while law enforcement agencies were spending tax dollars to find out whether he was dead, kidnapped, etc. Sanford says he will pay some of the money back, but that may not end his problems. If you embezzle funds, for instance, get caught and then offer to give the money back, you can still end up wearing prison orange.

But assuming Sanford is not actually doing time during the 2012 primary season, he will have a strong selling point. He will be able to say: “You already know everything that is wrong with me. With the other guys, you are just guessing.”

3. He knows how to fool all of the press some of the time and some of the press all of the time. On June 24, the morning that Sanford held a news conference to announce he was having an affair, The Washington Post ran an article that stated: “The governor, it should be noted, is quite happily married.”

Whoops. Rewind. But that can happen. We journalists are limited in our abilities to know what is going on behind closed doors. What is most interesting, however — and most encouraging for Sanford’s future political career — is that some journalists don’t care about his lies and betrayal of public trust even after they learn of them.

A recent article in The New Republic addressed those who find fault with Sanford by saying: “Give it a rest. The man didn’t commit murder here. He’s in love.” (How the writer knows that Sanford is in love and not in lust — a condition far more common in middle-aged men bored with their marriages — she does not say.)

She gives another reason, however, to “give it a rest” when it comes to criticizing Sanford: “The woman involved, Maria, was not offensively younger than he.”

Sanford is 49 and Maria Belen Chapur, his mistress, is 41. But what if she were 31? Would that change anything? And who gets to decide what “offensively younger” is? How about Sanford’s wife, Jenny, who is 46? Not that we need to care about her feelings, after all. Or do we? Which leads us to our next point.

4. If he can get the missus in line, he is home free. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) says so. Appearing on “Meet the Press With David Gregory” on Sunday, Graham said the people of South Carolina are “very disappointed in what he did as Mark the individual and his malfeasance at, at times, but they can reconcile the two only if, if Jenny and Mark can get back together. I think the people of South Carolina will give him a second chance.”

So it is very important that his wife forgive him. But will she? “He was told in no uncertain terms not to see her,” Jenny Sanford told The Associated Press recently, speaking of her husband and his mistress. “It’s tragic.”

Jenny Sanford said she discovered her husband’s affair when she came across a letter he had written to his mistress. She said she was “shocked and obviously deeply hurt.”

“I didn’t think he had it in him,” she said.

Which is another thing Mark Sanford has going for him: People are always underestimating him

booger

June 30th, 2009
10:52 am

Munch,

We don’t have a choice but to let them hang. There will be so many state and city hands out that there is no way to cover them all. This is where a state governments grit is tested. Its easy to spend money, managing a downturn is a whole different thing.

booger

June 30th, 2009
10:57 am

deegee,

They were offered a pitiful settlement and felt they would do better through bankruptsy court. They were not aware that Obama would make the unprecedented move of putting unsecured debt ahead of secured debt thereby bypassing the Judiciary, who should have made these calls.

Get Real

June 30th, 2009
11:02 am

Gordon @ 9:32, you have a point, but he won’t change his position on this because the California congressional delegation (republicans and democrats) are opposed to it. They would rather the state gets its finances in order so this won’t be an annual problem.

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
11:05 am

I don’t think the Feds can let California go without a bailout.
Prior to the Enron rape of the state, California was the 8th largest economy in the world and was the driver of US economic engine.

If California goes down, it seems, we would ALL suffer mightly.

Davo

June 30th, 2009
11:31 am

I’m always excited to bailout millionaires who live on eroding shorelines, or fire-prone sierra, or fault lines, or volcanos….

This is it…it’s here. Welfare nation.

booger

June 30th, 2009
11:35 am

Jackie,

Enron was based in Texas, and Texas recieved the biggest impact from their demise, not California. If you have’nt noticed, Texas has not asked anyone for anything.

California brought on its own problems simply by politicians overspending. Voters more than once voted down tax increases as a signal to the government to slow down, but they expanded spending anyway. I only hope the current admin. in Washington is paying attention.

1984

June 30th, 2009
11:39 am

Jackie, you should really learn how to proof read your sentences before hitting the post button. The mentally “what?” Retarded, challenged? Your complete stupidity and race baiting ways are comical.

Oh, and Jackie, Enron did not do much damage to the ENTIRE state of California. Boy, you’re about as intelligent as a carrot.

1984

June 30th, 2009
11:40 am

Jackie, last time I checked, Enron was based out of Texas. Now, I don’t know about you, but as I recall, Texas is no where near the state of California. Might want to check a US map sometime, retard.

Get Real

June 30th, 2009
11:43 am

Were you really born in 1984? If so than you should be old enough to remember the rolling brownouts in California and the high utility rates Enron and its subsidiaries were charging Cali residents. Pick up a book, not a map.

1984

June 30th, 2009
11:44 am

Jackie, also, I find it interesting that you basically call me retarded yet you have not pointed out any falsehoods in my first post. Seems to me that you love it when black people play the victim card.

1984

June 30th, 2009
11:47 am

Get Real, nope, the 70s. And no, one company is not responsible for the downfall of California. Deny it all you want but the California government has bankrupted itself. Thanks for playing.

1984

June 30th, 2009
11:48 am

Get Real, also, it’s interesting that you pointed my comment out yet ignored other posts about Enron and Texas.

Jefferson

June 30th, 2009
12:21 pm

Georgia ALREADY got bailed out by the feds this year. So what’s so great about our state leadership that it makes it Atlanta’s look so bad.

Pay cuts or tax increases? Or did you actually want schools, roads, cops, firemen and services.

Who wants a pay cut? Or are you just thankful to have a job?

Sooner or later you have to pay the ones who actually do the work and quit paying the ones who don’t. Or raise taxes.

What’s Georgia gonna do next year?

Elephant Whip

June 30th, 2009
12:25 pm

Seems I saw a documentary where Enron was secretly cutting power to portions of California (including hospitals) to drive up their mythical energy futures. As a result of such future-value gaming, California experienced an economic crisis due to fake value in energy prices and has not recovered since. California was already in the hole due to the Enron crap and then, low and behold, all their investments went bad due to another Texan’s financial market policy.

As far as bailing anyone out: I am no economist, but I think that someone ought to do the math and figure out whether a steep fall followed by a quicker recovery would cost more or less than a gliding fall followed by a delayed recovery. Someone help me out here.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
12:27 pm

There should never have been and should never be bailouts–from a progressive Dem. They are absurd money hemmorrhages like the moronic fiasco in Iraq now counting 3 million displaced fatherless women who can’t get work permits in any Arab countries and sure as hell can’t get into the fookedup US. We have let less than 1000 Iranians in after displacing them. The dre are about 10 explosions per week, 4 trillion dollars pissed away by morons who think its the JawJaw-Florida game.

AmVet

June 30th, 2009
12:36 pm

JW, good article until this amazing, major league blunder in the ninth, even by your less than lofty standards:

“Washington is owned by Democrats.”

???????????????????????????????

They Dems have a tiny political margin. For the first time EVER, as in EVER (you faithful do understand the term EVER, correct?) a Democratic candidate for POTUS outraised his GOP rivals in corporate contributions.

The Republican Party is and has been for 75 years synonymous with BIG business. As in the BIG businesses that truly own Washington.

Quit the inane hyper-partisanship and outright lies to keep your dwindling followers amused, Mr Wooten. It is unbecoming…

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
12:41 pm

“Washington is owned by democrats” is a full bore delusional observation pathanomonic of an old man who has never had a 7 year old’s grasp of the political spectrum or a freshman college student’s ability to write.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
12:42 pm

The Wootens and the Rushes of the world are why we win nearly every election except in the ignorant cracker South and we’re winning more fo them. Saxby can get nothing done. We’ll veto him and we have 60 and growing.

1984

June 30th, 2009
12:48 pm

Pubtards Continue to Lose, you win nearly every election? Really? That’s news to us dim wit conservatives.

Let’s have a looksy shall we: Republican presidents in the last 30 years: Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Bush 43, Bush 43

Democrats: Jimmy Carter, Clinton, Clinton, Obama

5/4 Republican edge.

You guys lost 1994 congressional edge all the way up to 2006.

1984

June 30th, 2009
12:50 pm

Pubtards Continue to Lose, are you white or black? Just curious.

1984

June 30th, 2009
12:51 pm

Elephant Whip

June 30th, 2009
1:15 pm

1984:

Ever heard of current trends? Or did you choose to be ignorant so you could soap box for GOP? GOP was (somewhat) credible before Bush II (or should I say Cheney?), Iraq, and the Financial Market meltdown. The GOP should go back to the drawing board rather than resting on its laurels or it will become obsolete.

1984

June 30th, 2009
1:17 pm

Elephant Whip, ever heard of Reagan. That’s what they should get back to. By the way, the “trends” as you put it, is what Obama Hussein follows. Nothing but Jimmy Carter Part Deux!

AmVet

June 30th, 2009
1:30 pm

Whip, what is most encouraging about the two past elections is the magnitude of the GOP slaughter.

In 2006 they failed to take even ONE contested US congressional seat! And lost 37!

A FIRST in 230 years of American history. An epic floor mopping to say the least.

Then in 2008 they rallied and only lost 22 more seats.

Oh and they lost the White House and six out of six governorships in that time.

A jaw dropping winning percentage of………wait for it…………6%.

OW. I don’t care how “faithful” you are, that’s gotta sting.

It would seem that they are staring straight into the eyes of a second forty year stint as the minority party…

1984

June 30th, 2009
1:36 pm

AmVet, and what you don’t seem to realize is the fact that the Democrat party is divided on most issues. You have conservative blue dog democrats who can’t stand hard core liberals and the Pelosis who have overreached. It only took 6 months for Obama Hussein to take us from 8% unemployment to nearly 11%. I don’t care what party you are in, 11% unemployment is unacceptable. While you and others trash the republicans, the democrats sink us even further. What a great party you belong to. I may belong to the so-called “white mans” party but at least I am not the party of felons, dead people and illegal aliens.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
1:37 pm

Jaw Jaw has become the concrete collapse center of the world. Congrats to Sumo Wrestler Perdue and his building inspctors. You got cars or people, we can kill ‘em fast.

Cfongrats to soon to be gone bufoon Mark Sanfg ord who admits to seven trysts with his nookie and stealing from S.C. taxpayers for all of them. We are trying to help Sanfordne get into prison and get in touch with his feminine side ASAP. That Cubby Culbertson bible phony imbecile seems to be the nookie pimp for the pubtard office holders. Yeah its da biblle da bible the pubtard cookbook for serving up their nookie. Lt. Gov Bauer has hired the swiftboat pimps to get Sanford out of office. Ah does so hate it when the pubtards battle to destroy each other.

Congrats to pubtards who think its a great thing for insurance companies to make billions, using rigged data bases which screw physicians and patients and accounted for no less than 25,000 recisions–the ending of policies when insured actually become significantly sick and the gougings of small businesses by them outlined here:

Big 3 Insurers Cancel 20,000 Policies in 5 years Pubtards want to continue atrocious medical care

30 people had their bodies blown to bits in Iraq today as the US draws down from 130,000 to uh uh um 130,000.

Civil war strife could not be worse in Iraq
Iraq’s army and security is a fooked up mess
The Shiites have not found jobs for the 100,000 Suni Awakening Members
Malikai is a recipe for disaster
Sunis vs Kurds in the North is about to boil over
Millions of refugees with no homes, money or food

from

The First Deadline

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
1:50 pm

Barack Hussein Obama’s numbers are crushing every pubtard exponentially. Always have and always will. It’s to be expected that the bell shaped curbe of stupid people think that after Bush and Greenspan and the Pubtard Senate Finance Controlled by Phil Graham wrecked the economy that Obama can wave a wand and turn it around in months. Employment will continue to worsen before it betters, particularly in the poorly educated ignorant South like Jaw Jaw.

We will soon seat Senator Franken and conirm Dawn Johnsen who has left IU and moved to DC with her family. We will get 2 more S. Ct. seats after Sotomayor considerably brighter than her and more liberal–hopefully either Stanford’s Kathleen Sulivan or Pamela Karlan or possibly Dawn Johnsen who would make a great Justice. We will shut down Alito, Roberts, Scalia, and the ignorant scum Thomas.

In every poll the GOP could not be in worse shape, having defaulted to the Sumo Wrestler drug addict Rush Limpballs for their “leader.”

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
1:53 pm

@1984

You are correct in that I omitted the fact that you ARE mentally ill. Sorry for the oversight.

Now, for you response to the Enron debacle, either you are without the ability to think, or, you do not want to accept facts.

Everyone knows that California and Texas are two different states and not geographically connected. Do you know that Texas is the home state of the Enron Corp. that decimated the economy of California.

It appears to me that you do not read and depend on the spoken word. That leads me to believe that you do not have the ability to comprehend anything past your ears. Subjects that do not fit easily into your 30 second sound bites confuses you!

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
1:53 pm

Raegan who is sainted by the stupid pubtards was one of the worst Presidents and he was deep in the throes of end stage Alzheimer’s during several years in the West Wing. He, Gingrich, Greenspan, and Graham wrecked the economy along with Bush and Paulson. They had help from Bob Rubin at Citi.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
1:54 pm

Amen to Amvet. There need to be more thoughtful commenters like him.

Peter

June 30th, 2009
1:56 pm

Hey Jim should American’s or Voters Bail out the lying Mark Sanford ?

What are we or anyone suppose to believe from this guy ?

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
1:58 pm

@1984

With you posting, blacks DO NOT HAVE TO play the so-called “victim card.”
You and your logic only solidifies anyone belief that stupidity is not color blind!

Care to give more retorts to anything anyone has posted?

1984

June 30th, 2009
1:59 pm

Jackie, can you read? Guess not, because you’d have already read where I said Enron was a Texas company. You have absolutely NO proof that Enron sunk California. I bet you believe that 911 was an inside job. As for mentally challenged, no Jackie, that’s your department. Have fun at the panther meeting today.

Pubtards Continue to Lose, if Reagan was one of the worst then how do you explain his historical record? Why do many democrats bring him up while campaigning. Hell, Obama Hussein brought up his name more than 30 times while campaigning.

1984

June 30th, 2009
2:02 pm

Jackie, if you were literate you’d have read my entire comment about how blacks like to play the victim card over and over again. Your Uncle Jesse and Al Sharpton wrote the book on race baiting and playing the victim. Too bad you can’t come up with a coherent answer before blindly spewing garbage. How’s the deep fryer working today?

1984

June 30th, 2009
2:03 pm

Jackie, how many times a day do you call white people “crackers?”

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
2:05 pm

@booger

What empirical evidence do you have to show that Texas had a downturn in their economy because of the Enron criminality.

If you will think back, Enron even dumped on Oregon, Washington and Arkansas.

david wayne osedach

June 30th, 2009
2:07 pm

California is the 8th largest economy in the world. If it fails theresults will be devastating. One way, or another, California will have to be bailed out by the Feds.

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
2:07 pm

@1984

I do not use terms that disparage an individuals race. However, I do work very hard at disparaging stupidity, a disease of which you have a SEVERE affliction.

JT

June 30th, 2009
2:10 pm

Not sure why any of you have a problem with the statement: Democrats own Washington.

Remember, you’ve won. You have the mandate, yadda, yadda, yadda. You can’t accept the power and not the responsibility too.

As for Cali, help for them would set a bad precedent, however if it comes down to children going without food, then they need a bailout for specific areas. According to estimates, they may be the first state where kids in poverty would go without–and it’s not the kids fault.

AmVet

June 30th, 2009
2:10 pm

1984, Wow! A response to me that is not dripping with venom and insults? Though you still need a lot of work on speaking for others, you are making progress. Kudos. (But I wouldn’t wager on it lasting.)

To wit: “AmVet, and what you don’t seem to realize is the fact that the Democrat party is divided on most issues.”

Are you kidding me?

That is EXACTLY one of the reasons I like the Democrats/liberals/independents/moderates/greens more than the Republicans.

They do not always vote lockstep, like the 97% of the GOP in Congress who voted to give you know who the power to go into you know where.

I have grave reservations about this president. And did not vote for him. And have told my liberal friends since last fall to prepare to be disappointed in this guy. I have in fact voted against 4 out of the past 5 Democratic presidential candidates, kinda blowing your ignorant assertion as to me being a Democrat out of the water, wouldn’t you say?

So “advice” on such matters coming from card carrying, straight party-line ticket voting only frauds and BushCo apologists with zero credibility is quite rich.

Buts lets see if I understand the current situation correctly 1984.

After thirty years of neglect and/or plundering by four American administrations (three Republican), thousands of politicians and untold tens of thousands of those in the “free market” in at least eight different levels of responsibility, the Uppity One is in 100 days to undo it all. And make everything wonderful and right per your new found sense of outrage and justice.

Utter rubbish.

The corporate destruction of capitalism and the Bush/McCain/Clinton/Obama socialism to “fix it” is going nowhere soon.

The criminals in both the government and on Wall Street, K Street and Main Street are not only NOT going to do time, they are gonna skate with OUR money. Yours and mine. Yet some will continue to shuck and grin for them. In the mistaken belief they are the good guys.

Not me. I’ve said Obama is spineless for NOT implementing widespread prosecutions, NOT putting some teeth into legislation to keep the crooks in check this time and NOT making THEM pay for the looting.

And I still believe, and fervently hope, that the fake conservatives who’ve hijacked the once trustworthy GOP, get lambasted again, as looks the case, in 2012. And 2014. And 2016…

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
2:16 pm

@1984

One does not have to read your entire posting. It is always structured the same way. You attempt to use deductive reasoning in building your thesis. As usual your base sentence is usually a lie and/or half-truth. You follow that up with nonsensical, racially tinged invective to obfuscate, extrapolate and conflate.

You are just to transparent.

Glenn

June 30th, 2009
2:16 pm

PoFo,

Thought I’d drop by to sound kudos for your recommendation of Twitter. You were so right! I myself have not yet tweeted, but in recent weeks I’ve been fairly awestruck by its reach and very grateful for its bridge-building to and fro Iran. I’d thought you’d touted it merely because of your journalistic preference for extreme brevity, but now I see that you’d meant more.

Good call.

Glenn

June 30th, 2009
2:17 pm

Incidentally, my answers to Jim’s questions are, respectively, no, and no.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
2:20 pm

Cumo sells Ezra Merkin’s art collection after Merkin the pillar of the Manhatten Jewish community bilked Yeshiva University, New York University, New York Law School and Bard College, all of whose lawyuhs and accountunts was too fookin dumb to do due dilligence. Congress should pass a law that automatically does the due dilligence on where the feeders are feeding–if your a billione aire or a teacher with a pension it could be done with the right software program.

After the moronic pubtard controlled SEC failed for 20 years, Madoff totally refused to cooperate lying to the faces of those people when he claimed he was sorry.

Madoff’s lead attorney Ira Sorkin spent several years in the New York SEC, including 2 as the NY regional administrator, and 5 years as an AUSA in SDNY. He has handled many similar cases as a member of the defense bar. A major part of his job was to go after the assets in cases for years.
Of course Mr. Sorkin the defense team made clear to Mr. Madoff that it was very unlikely Madoff would leave incarceration alive if he refused to cooperate in compelling terms, and Mr. Madoff has refused. Aside from his plea, Madoff elected not to cooperate in any way. Mr. Sorkin made it clear to his client that his chances for a lesser sentence were diminished by totally refusing to provide information as to means and methods of feeder funds , and location of off shore accounts owned by Madoff, his proxies, or the feeder funds and their proxies and the tributaries where the money flow estimated from 65 to 170 + billion went, and in fact, exists.
Had I been Judge Chin at sentencing, I would have asked the victim witnesses present to rise as a group, then asked Mr. Madoff and his attorney Mr. Sorkin how Madoff could claim to these and other victims that he was sorry, when he stonewalled any information that could illustrate a money trail and enhance the chances that there would be recovery for the victims, both direct Madoff and indirect feeder investors. Madoff knows a good deal about how that money was collected, and how feeders like Merkin’s Gabriel Capital LP handled the money and where they moved it (probably repeatedly not unlike a John Grishham plot. He devised a scheme to completely neutralize the S.E.C. (part negligence and part criminal cooperation in all probability).
Instead, Madoff chose not to provide a scintilla of information beyond records recovered from his office, largely unhelpful to date for DOJ or Irving Picard, the court appointed trustee for the SIPC. It is very significant that the indirect investors who invested via feeder funds, whether millionaires or members of pension funds, are not eligible for SIPC reimbursement. Madoff could have been imensely helpful in tracing money stashes in the billion conceivablys recoverable for those people by DOJ civil and criminal actions. He refused. Mr. Picard is suing the feeders, meaning the indirects are very unlikely to recover any money from them years down the road.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
2:25 pm

Andyou betcha goshdarnit immensely is spelled with 2 m’s. Ah kin see immensely from Alaska goshdarnit you betcha. Gotta go shoot a moose and crank up mah chopper and shoot dem wolves, and ah have time for a quickie with Joe the imbecile plumber mah type of man. An if male govnuhs can get nookie from Argentina so kin Sarah the dimwit.

1984

June 30th, 2009
2:26 pm

Jackie, if I am transparent and you don’t have to read my postings, then why do you continue to address me? Again, its NOT reading what I write that makes you look that much more stupid.

AmVet, I am not a republican. I am a conservative libertarian. I agree with you on some of your points but still, you seem to be more in line with big government all while getting angry at republican government intervention. The problem with you is you want government to implement things YOU want yet at the same time chastise republicans or conservatives for wanting government to implement what they want. Bottom line: KEEP GOVERNMENT OUT OF EVERYTHING. LET THE MARKET SOLVE ITSELF.

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
2:27 pm

@1984

“too transparent” is correct. Typo.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
2:36 pm

Aftuh bangin Argentina nookie and stealin from mah state to fly her to NYC and fly mah little head to Buenos Airest, ah has done read the story of King David of the Jews and ah wants to keep mah hypocritical right wingnut Christian butt in office ’cause ah done read the story of King David. If indicted soon of an 18 USC violation of stealing state funds and misappropriating them, ah will stand up in court and say ah done banged the woman with state money but ah has read the story of King David so ah wants Obama to pardon me. Ah is sure that’ll fly and ah is still gonna run for Pressedunt cause ah gots as much chance as the rest of them dead white mens walkin and of course the doofus dimwit who is afraid of interviews with real journalists. In Fox and Jesus ah do rest mah faith and hey Jesus was Jewish so ah uses the Old Testament in defense of mah new testamant lyin’ theivin buttd .

And ah its so glad that when ah told Pressoodent Clinton to resign he jumped to do mah biddin’. Ah gotta go hang with duh Ensign and Cubby Culbertson now.

John Edwards

June 30th, 2009
2:40 pm

Aftuh I banged my gulfrien in Califooooornia ah went back and banged my tumor, I mean ma wife. Ahhhhhhh neva liked dat Mak Saaaaaanfad. Only democrats aaaaaaah alout to cheat on dare wivessssssss. Da shame!

1984

June 30th, 2009
2:40 pm

Jackie, no, that wasn’t a typo. Just your blatant stupidity. Just sayin….

Munch

June 30th, 2009
2:46 pm

Al Franken, Senator from Minnesota.

Hey wingnuts….Suck. On. That.

1984

June 30th, 2009
2:53 pm

Munch, be careful what you wish for. We said the same thing in 2000 and 2004.

Copyleft

June 30th, 2009
3:09 pm

“LET THE MARKET SOLVE ITSELF.”

Which it has thoroughly proven itself incapable of doing, so I think we can safely ignore the “conservative-libertarian” nonsense and move on to more intelligent ideas now.

Get Real

June 30th, 2009
3:19 pm

‘84, I pointed your comment out because you seem to have cornered the market on comments in this blog. Relative to Enron and energy. No Enron didn’t bankrupt Cali. Democrats AND Republicans did. You have a republican governor, and asinine rules where you need a 2/3rds majority to pass any meaningful legislation. So republicans in Cali, knowing that the state’s finances are in the toilet, would oppose a policy of spending cuts and increased taxes just to say they didn’t raise taxes. Hence, no summer school, teachers, laid off, and a bankrupt entity.

conservative democrat

June 30th, 2009
3:22 pm

Elephant Whip,
You wrote, “…more or less than a gliding fall followed…”. One problem with this is there never seems to be such a phenom, ‘gliding fall’. It usually a waterfall crash, if you look back. Stair step up, waterfall down. When the waterfall down phenom occurs, it usually in a panic situation. Damn human behavior…it’s either fear or greed that motivates us.

Elephant Whip

June 30th, 2009
3:27 pm

1984:

“It only took 6 months for Obama Hussein to take us from 8% unemployment to nearly 11%.”

Wrong. More like. “For six months false optimism that the damage of the economic policy under Bush II will abate and inflated hopes that Obama can somehow help has kept the employment from falling more than 3%.”

Elephant Whip

June 30th, 2009
3:32 pm

conservative democrat:

Admittedly, I am no economist. And I am open to instruction in this area. But, from what I have heard, I understand that “stimulus” only lengthens economic downturns while preventing extreme outcomes and delays recovery, whereas a freer market would permit more extreme outcomes but would not delay recovery as much.

I just want to know if anyone has any kind of numbers/projections on either theory.

conservative democrat

June 30th, 2009
3:37 pm

Orwellian Scary Guy 1984,
You don’t even know the difference ‘tween a yellar dawg democrat and a blue dog democrat.
Here’s the story. A republican that was running against Ole Gene Tallmadge was stumpin’ down in Ludowici in the spring of ’39 when a farmer comes up and the republican says, “Sir, can I respectfully ask for you vote this November?” The farmer says, “Respectfully, no, since my grandfather was a democrat and my father was a democrat, I suppose that in November I’ll be votin’ for Ole Gene Tallmadge.”
To this the republican replies, “What if your grandfather was a horse thief and your father was a horse thief? Then would you still vote for Ole Gene Tallmadge?”
The farmer replies to the republican, “Well then sir, I suppose I would be a goll darned republican.”
Us “yellar dawg” democrats would rather vote democrat even if the only thing runnin agin’ the republican was a darned ole “yellar dawg.”

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
3:53 pm

@1984

When it comes to stupidity, you have no peers!
All one has to do is wait for you to post and the proof is laid upon the table.
I dare you, post something substantial and meaningful.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
3:54 pm

Ah was all set to sit down an have mah aftuhnoon tea while watching youtubes of nude Maegan Fox and readin’ mah King David and travel brochures to see where in central Amerikuh ah could find muh nookie after robbin’ a bank like Marco Sanford and damn if it don’t hit me in da face. Pubtards done lost to Mr. #60 (cause Specter has always been a board certified idiot and a blue dog). Friends and neighbors Get off yo butt and Boogie cause

WE HAS DONE GOT US A SENATUH AL FRANKEN AND THE PUBTARD FLUNKIE PAWLENTY HE BE CERTIFYIN’ TODAY! YEE HAW WOOTEN

Ah always asks for dem to gimme da college paper NYT and da highschool paper AJC. LOL AJC so poor they can’t even put papers in the stands no more.

conservative democrat

June 30th, 2009
4:00 pm

Kournikova reportedly involved in fight
Security broke up the fight and the offended woman was escorted from the premises.
…If you’re a security guard, that’s a good way to get mugged. Or shot.

conservative democrat

June 30th, 2009
4:08 pm

Elephant Whip,
Uncharted water…nobody has a crystal ball. Pulling back on the throttle at this stage of a recovery has been tried before…with disastrous results usually.
My personal feeling is that this whole shebang was pulled off by a few billionaires with an agenda last fall. It can be over sooner rather than later, but I like the low interest rates and availability of capital for a recovery. The clunker money was probably the best $1 billion spent so far in getting things going again.

conservative democrat

June 30th, 2009
4:17 pm

Orwellian Scary Guy 1984,
YouTube ‘Deep thoughts with Jack Hanbey’ and Stuart Smalley, “because people like me”.

1984

June 30th, 2009
4:18 pm

Jackie brings stupid to a whole new level.

Elephant Whip, WROOOOOOOONG, the current economic policies belong to OBAMA HUSSIEN. The “stimulus package” that was supposed to stimulate the economy have failed. Unemployment was at 8% when Bush left office. IT is now close to 11%. This belongs to Obama Hussein.

conservative democrat, touche. Touche.

Get Real, what republicans in Cali? There is only one prominent republican and he sides with democrats 90% of the time in Cali. Again, it’s liberalism run amok. Hello Michigan, hello California. Goodbye America.

1984

June 30th, 2009
4:19 pm

conservative democrat, once again I have correct you. I am in no way affiliated with Orwell. My blog handle is about the 84 Olympics. And a little Reagan. Thanks for playing.

Churchill's MOM

June 30th, 2009
4:33 pm

. — South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford said Tuesday that he “crossed lines” with a handful of women other than his mistress — but never had sex with them. The governor said he “never crossed the ultimate line” with anyone but Maria Belen Chapur, the Argentine at the center of a scandal that has derailed his once-promising political career.

“This was a whole lot more than a simple affair, this was a love story,” Sanford said. “A forbidden one, a tragic one, but a love story at the end of the day.”

During an emotional interview at his Statehouse office with The Associated Press on Tuesday, Sanford said Chapur is his soul mate but he’s trying to fall back in love with his wife.

He said that during the encounters with other women he “let his guard down” with some physical contact but “didn’t cross the sex line.” He wouldn’t go into detail.

Sanford said the casual encounters happened outside the U.S. while he was married but before he met Chapur, on trips to “blow off steam” with male friends.

Sanford also admitted he saw Chapur more times than previously disclosed, including what was to be a farewell meeting in New York chaperoned by a spiritual adviser soon after his wife found out about the affair.

He described five meetings with Chapur over the past year, including two romantic, multi-night stays with her in New York before they met there again intending to break up.

Peter

June 30th, 2009
4:37 pm

Hey Jim, when are you going to write about Sanford gets Married, then Finds his “Soul Mate” ?

Elephant Whip

June 30th, 2009
4:37 pm

1984:

In order to dodge the obvious, you apply strange logic. Policies take a while for implemenation and impact. So it might be some time before we see any results of NEW policy. However, at the end of the Bush II administration, before we even knew Obama would be elected, the crap hit the fan and we’re still taking it in the teeth.

The reason your logic is so strange is because, given your other comments, you appear to be a Reaganite who would readily attribute the economy under Clinton to Reagan and his toadie, Bush I. But when it comes to Obama, who has been in office for six months, you want to blame him for the effects of things that happened before he was even elected.

1984

June 30th, 2009
4:50 pm

Elephant Whip, for almost 8 years we had growth in most sectors. Unemployment was at 4% two years ago and into 2008. Funny how you don’t blame Barney Frank or Chris Dodd with Fannie and Freddie, which ultimately caused this mess. Usher in Obama Hussein: He URGED congress to pass the stimulus package to create jobs and help stop the financial mess. Now, did the stimulus package solve ANY problems? NOOOOOOOOOPE! Joe Biden even said that it didn’t do anything but get us into more debt. Now, Obama Hussien OWNS this economy. He OWNS 11% unemployment and stagnation. He’s about to own inflation as soon as that hits. He also OWNS national security or lack of. When we get bombed, and we will get bombed, he will own it because he weakened us.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
5:05 pm

Yoyo yo all you King David nookie hawks:

Vanity Fait: It Came from Wasilla–A Dissection of Dimwit!

Why them Eastern hippie liberal magazines from da Conde Naste building, one of the ugliest in NYC on da outside not bad on da inside makin’ fun of mah Sarah who is da only hope for dis country and dis world.

Billy Bob

June 30th, 2009
5:09 pm

The simple and appropriate answer is “no” the federal government should not appropriate funds to assist the various state governments who find themselves with a projected budget shortfall. Somehow I’m getting IMF and Worldbank deja vu.

“For those brave souls who wish to review the events that led to the economic crisis we now live in, please click here. Moral of the story: You can put a dress on a turd (a bad mortgage) but it’ll still be a turd (a defaulted bad mortgage).

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
5:14 pm

Vanity Fair: It Came from Minnesota: Mah Mooseshootin Dimwitter Dissected by Dee Dee Myers’ Husband

Ah done hopes this link works.

Eleven million bucks spent in litigation by Norm Coleman and Al Frankeen since November. That’s a lot of valet parkin’ and could finance a lot of trips to Argentina.

Peter

June 30th, 2009
5:15 pm

Hey 1984…….. It took George Bush 8 years to Bilk California start (2) TWO Wars, and ruin the economy…..the Banking system almost TOTALLY Collapsed under Bush…….guys like Bernie Madoff were given a Free Passes by the Bush Regulators……. the Housing market has gone into the toilet……..

The Republican mantra…..let the markets work themselves out……. is not, was not working….. under Regan the privileged made out period……trickle down economics were…”Piss on the Poor guy”.

In 2 years we will see how things will play out….. How many years has it been since Bush said “Mission Accomplished” ?

Yes he did accomplish something..he was able to BILK the Treasury department !

Obama can’t fix all in 6 months…….especially since we were almost wiped out financially as a nation.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
5:17 pm

Peter

June 30th, 2009
5:22 pm

Hey Jim………Sanford says he crossed the line with a hand full of women…….

Is that what Republican’s mean by ” Extended Family Values ” ?

Billy Bob

June 30th, 2009
5:23 pm

Apologies on the faulty link in my prior post. It really is a good chronology from ‘genesis to revelation’.

Click here for the link

anti-Peter

June 30th, 2009
5:24 pm

Peter, you are one dumb mutt!

1984

June 30th, 2009
5:39 pm

Peter, I’m not defending Bush’s big spending ways. It pissed me off when he was on a spending spree. That’s why I changed parties and won’t vote republican until they get back to conservatism. But you are wrong in saying Obama Hussein has only had 6 months to fix it. He has done more to get us into debt than fix anything. He’s tripled the debt and unemployment is now at 10.5%. I understand that there are no quick fixes but Obama Hussein doesn’t know anything about the economy. He thinks the stock market is just some poll that people like to watch. Said it himself. He’s an inexperienced community organizer that’s lacks any economic skills. Most academics don’t have economic skills because they sit on the sideline and play arm chair quarterback.

1984

June 30th, 2009
5:40 pm

Peter, by the way, we’re still better off without Saddam Hussein. I bet it just kills you to admit that. Don’t it baby! Don’t it!

1984

June 30th, 2009
5:42 pm

This should piss off the libs.

OBAMA MORE THAN ‘CONCERNED’

By Neal Boortz

North Korea launches a missile and it takes Barack Obama and the UN five days to respond. Iran holds fraudulent elections, kills protesters and it takes weeks before Barack Obama can stand up and say that he is “concerned” about the situation.

Then the people of Honduras try to uphold their constitution and laws of the land from being trampled by a Chavez-wanna be … and it takes Barack Obama one day to proclaim that this was not a legal coup.

Why the sudden decisiveness? Where were these strong opinions on foreign matters when Iranian authorities were trampling protestors and cutting off media access to the outside world? Where was this decisiveness when Kim Jong Ill decided that he was going to launch missiles toward Hawaii on the Fourth of July? Why … NOW … is Obama suddenly speaking out loudly

How about a little background. Are you really sure you know what has been going on in Honduras? Do you think that this was simply a coup? Let me give you a rough outline here, and then you can sit back and wonder just why PrezBO is in the weeds with Chavez and Castro on this one.

Mel Zelaya is, or was, the President of Honduras. He and Hugo Chaves were tight. So tight, it seems, that Zelaya wanted to emulate Hugo by changing the Honduran constitution to allow him to run for office until he durned well gets tired of it.

To change the constitution in Honduras you have to convene a constituent assembly. The president cannot do that. The Honduran congress must approve a national referendum calling for the constituent assembly to consider changes to the constitution. Zelaya didn’t like the part about the constitution requiring approval of the congress before a national referendum could be called. So … he decided to call one on his own.

OK .. so here we have President Zelaya calling for a national referendum when he doesn’t have the power to do so. The next problem is obtaining ballots! Since the Honduran congress had not called for the referendum, as required by the constitution, the government certainly wasn’t going to print the ballots! After all, how smart would it be to print ballots for an illegal referendum? So … Zelaya had to get the ballots printed elsewhere. Here’s an idea! Get his pall Hugo Chavez to print them! Yes! That will work!

So Chaves prints Zelaya’s ballots and they’re shipped to Honduras. Enter the Honduran Supreme Court. The court considers Zelaya’s election in light of the requirements of the Honduran constitution, and rules the referendum illegal and unconstitutional. The court then issues an order to the Honduran military telling them not to do the logistical work associated with Zelaya’s phony referendum. Remember, now … all of this has one primary goal. To get rid of the term limits limiting Zelaya’s rule in Honduras.

After the supreme court’s decision, General Romeo Velasquez tells President Zelaya that he is subject to a proper order from the Supreme Court and will not be able to carry out Zelaya’s referendum. So … Zelaya fires him. The Supreme Court orders Zelaya to reinstate Velasquez, and Zelaya refuses to do so.

At this point Zelaya’s ego is getting the better of him. If the military won’t run his illegal referendum, he’ll just do it himself. He gins up a mob and leads them to the military compound where Hugo’s ballots are stored and then has his supporters begin distributing the ballots to the masses.

Based on the Supreme Court’s ruling the Honduran attorney general said that the proposed referendum was illegal and said that he would arrest anyone attempting to carry out the election. Zelaya was arrested by the military and was escorted out of the country.

Now … does this sound like a military coup-de-etat to you? The attorney general and the military were operating in accordance with the Honduran rule of law. They acted under a valid court order. Coup? The Honduran congress has convened and designated a successor president, all in accordance with the Honduran Constitution. Military coup? The presidential elections set for November .. the election that Zelaya was trying to get around … will go on as scheduled. A blow for democracy?

Fidel Castro, Daniel Noriega, Hugo Chavez … all on the side of Zelaya. But Obama? Obama fighting against the rule of law and for a wannabe dictator? What gives?

1984

June 30th, 2009
5:44 pm

“Pop quiz, ladies and gentlemen: What do God and Barack Obama have in common? God does not have a birth certificate, either.”

Peter

June 30th, 2009
5:52 pm

Hey 1984……….. God is in everyone alive and all those who have already died……so he has lots of Birth Certificates !

We would have been better off without Bush…..and Saddam in power !

Funny if not for the kids

June 30th, 2009
5:59 pm

Did Governor I Can’t Keep It In My Pants Sanford really just call his Argentinian squeeze a “soul mate” then at the same time say he wants to reconcile his marriage?

Yeah, that’ll make the ol’ wife feel special. What’s you gonna next, tell her how fat she looks in that dress?

Guess those kids can just regift that Father’s Day present.

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
6:02 pm

@1984

You continue to flagellate.

1984

June 30th, 2009
6:40 pm

Jackie, you continue to menstruate. Next time use an XXL tampon.

Peter, thanks for proving just how idiotic and retarded libs really are. Oh, and if you like dictators, head on over to NK.

Peter

June 30th, 2009
6:55 pm

Hey 1984 I don’t like dictators…….. I just don’t like a Rip off Dick any more !

Your use of name calling should have stopped in grade school, and perhaps that is where your education did stop ?

1984

June 30th, 2009
7:06 pm

Peter, funny you should bring up educations. Anyway, I get fired up at libs and their lack of thought and rationale. And yes, you do love dictators. Most libs do because they fear individualism and thought.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
7:52 pm

During 8 years Bush facilitated North Korea and Iran with a nuclear bomb. in NK’s case and nuclear centrifuge capability close to a bomb in Iran’s. Bush’s approach to North Korea and Iran ended up with them being more totalitarian than ever holdin North Korea is holding Americans hostage as is Iran complements of an idiot Bush foreign policy.

AmVet

June 30th, 2009
8:05 pm

For my Republican friends, some of my favorite Zappa quotes:

“When God created Republicans, he gave up on everything else.”

“After all, he [God] wrote this book here, and in the book it says he made us all to be just like him! So if we’re dumb, then God is dumb – and maybe even a little ugly on the side.”

“The most important thing to do in your life is to not interfere with somebody else’s life.”

“Remember there’s a big difference between kneeling down and bending over.”

“The biggest threat to America today is not communism. It’s moving America toward a fascist theocracy, and everything that’s happened during the Reagan administration is steering us right down that pipe … When you have a government that prefers a certain moral code derived from a certain religion and that moral code turns into legislation to suit one certain religious point of view, and if that code happens to be very, very right wing, almost toward Attila the Hun…”

“Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.”

“The essence of Christianity is told to us in the Garden of Eden history. The fruit that was forbidden was on the Tree of Knowledge. The subtext is, All the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what was going on. You could be in the Garden of Eden if you had just kept your f&cking mouth shut and hadn’t asked any questions.”

“Look here brother, who you jivin’ with that cosmic debris?”

Later, rock and rollers…

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
8:21 pm

The Bush morons made the clusterfook in Iraq, and they set the date for pulling back. Time to get the hell out now.

1984

June 30th, 2009
8:39 pm

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP, try using correct grammar and cut out the run on sentences. For someone who calls others hicks you sure do take the cake in writing horrible incoherent sentences.

1984

June 30th, 2009
8:39 pm

AmVet, funny that you mention God yet you don’t believe in Him. Nice.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
8:41 pm

After killing several patients in the ER I retired to the janitors closet to figure out my next move. By gosh I think I have it. I will tell everyone that I am a talk show host who licks her own a$$. THAT’S IT!

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
9:14 pm

Bachman is the new 48 hour star. Whackjob is rivaling Palin in stupidity and she will soon be gone.

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
9:46 pm

@1984

I have no need for a tampon.
I have noticed that you have a case of diarrhea of the lip. Maybe a USED tampon is what you would need to clean up your mess.

Still obfuscating, extrapolating and conflating. Nothing you say is believable and meritorious.

AmVet

July 1st, 2009
12:02 am

“AmVet, funny that you mention God yet you don’t believe in Him. Nice.”

How the (fill in the blank) do you know that, you assumptive, speak for everyf&ckinbody else ” b@st@rd? Read your Bible: (II Samuel 14:3: “So Joab put words in her mouth.)

Though it’s none of your beeswax, I believe in the possibility of him/her/it. (She’s black and she’s p!ssed!) Whatever you or I or anyone else thinks that is.

I guess if I were really trying to be ironic, 1984, I could tell you to go to hell.

DeborahinAthens

July 1st, 2009
6:35 am

1984 while you are keeping stats on the Republicans vs Democrats in power, remember that all the major stock market crashes happened on the Republican’s watch. And they happened well into their respective administrations. Republicans cannot and will never be able to manage fiscal policy. Their sheer, unbridled hypocrisy is what turned me into a Democrat after 35 years of voting Republican. The sooner you “conservative” realize that their fiscal policies do not work, the better off we will be. But just keep voting for the bozos. Then keep bitching about how poorly your investments are doing.

1984

July 1st, 2009
9:26 am

Jackie, at least you admitted that you can’t read. That’s the first step. HA!

AmVet, the reason I know that is because you constantly rag on religion in general. Maybe you do believe in Allah since you have wonderful things to say about Muslims while trashing Christians.

Copyleft

July 1st, 2009
9:46 am

Obama’s “lack of economic skills”?

That’s funny–it was the “economic skills” of those supply-side quacks and their constant cries for deregulation that got us INTO this mess.

The market is a tool, not a god. Worshiping it instead of controlling it is a very, very stupid idea.

Alex Neill

July 1st, 2009
12:42 pm

Where has Barack Obama shown his control over, his command of, anything? He behaves as a man who was pampered in school and never was required to master anything at all. Bill Clinton was like that.

They are muddling along, and faking it. Just like they did in college.

God help us.

Copyleft

July 1st, 2009
2:17 pm

Interesting assumption, Alex. Purely opinion-based, of course, as all the right’s attacks on Obama have been.

They WISH he was clueless and floundering and unable to cope–that is, when they’re not busy whining about how he’s a new Fascist Dictator who’s determined to wield absolute, unchecked executive authority with no regard for the Constitution.

So which is it, wingnuts: Is Obama ineffectual, or all-powerful? Which lie will scare your base enough to hopefully win you another election someday?

SaveOurRepublic

July 1st, 2009
6:25 pm

No & No…re baulouts for CA &/or Atlanta. When you take the(taxpayer funded) subsidies from the Feds, you’re thereby indebted unto them.

P.S. – Please understand the GOP & DNC “leadership” are two sides of the same (Globalist Elite) controlled coin & this “Left vs. Right” paradigm is leveraged as controlled mechanism to deceive the sheeple!

http://www.infowars.com

Clint

July 2nd, 2009
6:31 pm

No , California has played the part of disobediant child for years and now wants to be petted for its excesses. Wassn’t it the great state of Cal. that decided to make every illegal in its borders a state resident? This country has been in an economic slump for several years and non-tax paying residents are a very large part of the problem. They not only take jobs away from those whom would be paying taxes, but they undermind they very way of life that we all should be enjoying. Its basic economics on a stupid persons level- if you dont put back what you use today, it wont be there tomorrow. You cant give to every hand that is out without it effecting what you have to feed yourself. I have an idea, how about all the big HollyWood hot-shots give back to the state that made them so popular! It makes sense that an average movie mogal can be worth millions of dollars for a few months of work and someone who WORKS for a living should starve. Of course, no-one is forcing anyone to live in California and now that the gold is gone (irony I think) maybe the star strike-it-rich mentallity wil finally wear off. The short and curly of it all sums up to this; take care of your own backyard and quite blaming someone else for it looking so bad!