Should feds bail out California (or Atlanta)?

California has a one-year budget deficit that exceeds the cost of operating the entire State of Georgia.   California’s deficit is $24 billion; Georgia’s 2010 budget, which goes into effect on Wednesday, is $18.6 billion. California’s population is 38.6 million;  Georgia’s is 9.6.

The question is:  Should the federal government ride to the rescue, as it did with the financial sector, including banks, and with the automobile industry?

California officials say they’ll make additional budget cuts, but want federal taxpayers to guarantee a portion their borrowings, which would bring lower interest rates.  California, like Atlanta, has been represented by  big-spenders whose short-sightedness has brought financial peril.  Politicians think in four-year cycles and what must be done by way of spending to give incumbents or the incumbent party election advantage.

Atlanta City Council did vote 8-7 on Monday to raise property taxes by about $240 per year for the average homeowner to cover a $56 million gap in the proposed budget.  In Atlanta, where payroll-padding has been a way of political life, it’s never clear to politicians whether the greater risk to their job security comes from alienating property owners or alienating city workers — hence, the 8-7 vote to raise taxes.  All 15 seats on Atlanta City Council and the mayor and council president are up for election this November.

The California debate is essentially contained in the comments of two California Congressmen, U.S. Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Los Angeles) and U.S. Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Bakersville).

“It’s not that California got itself into trouble and wants the federal government to bail it out,” Sherman told the Associated Press.  “California wants the federal government to do for a fee that which Wall Street would do for a fee if Wall Street wasn’t broken.”

Said McCarthy:  “You’ve got many states throughout this country, you’ve got many cities that are in tough financial problems, so they will all come for help.”

Washington is owned by Democrats.  California is owned by Democrats.  San Francisco’s Nancy Pelosi is Speaker of the U.S. House, which is owned by Democrats.   Expect a bailout.

The answer is “no, taxpayers shouldn’t start bailing out failed cities and states.”  But we will.

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1984

June 30th, 2009
2:03 pm

Jackie, how many times a day do you call white people “crackers?”

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
2:05 pm

@booger

What empirical evidence do you have to show that Texas had a downturn in their economy because of the Enron criminality.

If you will think back, Enron even dumped on Oregon, Washington and Arkansas.

david wayne osedach

June 30th, 2009
2:07 pm

California is the 8th largest economy in the world. If it fails theresults will be devastating. One way, or another, California will have to be bailed out by the Feds.

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
2:07 pm

@1984

I do not use terms that disparage an individuals race. However, I do work very hard at disparaging stupidity, a disease of which you have a SEVERE affliction.

JT

June 30th, 2009
2:10 pm

Not sure why any of you have a problem with the statement: Democrats own Washington.

Remember, you’ve won. You have the mandate, yadda, yadda, yadda. You can’t accept the power and not the responsibility too.

As for Cali, help for them would set a bad precedent, however if it comes down to children going without food, then they need a bailout for specific areas. According to estimates, they may be the first state where kids in poverty would go without–and it’s not the kids fault.

AmVet

June 30th, 2009
2:10 pm

1984, Wow! A response to me that is not dripping with venom and insults? Though you still need a lot of work on speaking for others, you are making progress. Kudos. (But I wouldn’t wager on it lasting.)

To wit: “AmVet, and what you don’t seem to realize is the fact that the Democrat party is divided on most issues.”

Are you kidding me?

That is EXACTLY one of the reasons I like the Democrats/liberals/independents/moderates/greens more than the Republicans.

They do not always vote lockstep, like the 97% of the GOP in Congress who voted to give you know who the power to go into you know where.

I have grave reservations about this president. And did not vote for him. And have told my liberal friends since last fall to prepare to be disappointed in this guy. I have in fact voted against 4 out of the past 5 Democratic presidential candidates, kinda blowing your ignorant assertion as to me being a Democrat out of the water, wouldn’t you say?

So “advice” on such matters coming from card carrying, straight party-line ticket voting only frauds and BushCo apologists with zero credibility is quite rich.

Buts lets see if I understand the current situation correctly 1984.

After thirty years of neglect and/or plundering by four American administrations (three Republican), thousands of politicians and untold tens of thousands of those in the “free market” in at least eight different levels of responsibility, the Uppity One is in 100 days to undo it all. And make everything wonderful and right per your new found sense of outrage and justice.

Utter rubbish.

The corporate destruction of capitalism and the Bush/McCain/Clinton/Obama socialism to “fix it” is going nowhere soon.

The criminals in both the government and on Wall Street, K Street and Main Street are not only NOT going to do time, they are gonna skate with OUR money. Yours and mine. Yet some will continue to shuck and grin for them. In the mistaken belief they are the good guys.

Not me. I’ve said Obama is spineless for NOT implementing widespread prosecutions, NOT putting some teeth into legislation to keep the crooks in check this time and NOT making THEM pay for the looting.

And I still believe, and fervently hope, that the fake conservatives who’ve hijacked the once trustworthy GOP, get lambasted again, as looks the case, in 2012. And 2014. And 2016…

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
2:16 pm

@1984

One does not have to read your entire posting. It is always structured the same way. You attempt to use deductive reasoning in building your thesis. As usual your base sentence is usually a lie and/or half-truth. You follow that up with nonsensical, racially tinged invective to obfuscate, extrapolate and conflate.

You are just to transparent.

Glenn

June 30th, 2009
2:16 pm

PoFo,

Thought I’d drop by to sound kudos for your recommendation of Twitter. You were so right! I myself have not yet tweeted, but in recent weeks I’ve been fairly awestruck by its reach and very grateful for its bridge-building to and fro Iran. I’d thought you’d touted it merely because of your journalistic preference for extreme brevity, but now I see that you’d meant more.

Good call.

Glenn

June 30th, 2009
2:17 pm

Incidentally, my answers to Jim’s questions are, respectively, no, and no.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
2:20 pm

Cumo sells Ezra Merkin’s art collection after Merkin the pillar of the Manhatten Jewish community bilked Yeshiva University, New York University, New York Law School and Bard College, all of whose lawyuhs and accountunts was too fookin dumb to do due dilligence. Congress should pass a law that automatically does the due dilligence on where the feeders are feeding–if your a billione aire or a teacher with a pension it could be done with the right software program.

After the moronic pubtard controlled SEC failed for 20 years, Madoff totally refused to cooperate lying to the faces of those people when he claimed he was sorry.

Madoff’s lead attorney Ira Sorkin spent several years in the New York SEC, including 2 as the NY regional administrator, and 5 years as an AUSA in SDNY. He has handled many similar cases as a member of the defense bar. A major part of his job was to go after the assets in cases for years.
Of course Mr. Sorkin the defense team made clear to Mr. Madoff that it was very unlikely Madoff would leave incarceration alive if he refused to cooperate in compelling terms, and Mr. Madoff has refused. Aside from his plea, Madoff elected not to cooperate in any way. Mr. Sorkin made it clear to his client that his chances for a lesser sentence were diminished by totally refusing to provide information as to means and methods of feeder funds , and location of off shore accounts owned by Madoff, his proxies, or the feeder funds and their proxies and the tributaries where the money flow estimated from 65 to 170 + billion went, and in fact, exists.
Had I been Judge Chin at sentencing, I would have asked the victim witnesses present to rise as a group, then asked Mr. Madoff and his attorney Mr. Sorkin how Madoff could claim to these and other victims that he was sorry, when he stonewalled any information that could illustrate a money trail and enhance the chances that there would be recovery for the victims, both direct Madoff and indirect feeder investors. Madoff knows a good deal about how that money was collected, and how feeders like Merkin’s Gabriel Capital LP handled the money and where they moved it (probably repeatedly not unlike a John Grishham plot. He devised a scheme to completely neutralize the S.E.C. (part negligence and part criminal cooperation in all probability).
Instead, Madoff chose not to provide a scintilla of information beyond records recovered from his office, largely unhelpful to date for DOJ or Irving Picard, the court appointed trustee for the SIPC. It is very significant that the indirect investors who invested via feeder funds, whether millionaires or members of pension funds, are not eligible for SIPC reimbursement. Madoff could have been imensely helpful in tracing money stashes in the billion conceivablys recoverable for those people by DOJ civil and criminal actions. He refused. Mr. Picard is suing the feeders, meaning the indirects are very unlikely to recover any money from them years down the road.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
2:25 pm

Andyou betcha goshdarnit immensely is spelled with 2 m’s. Ah kin see immensely from Alaska goshdarnit you betcha. Gotta go shoot a moose and crank up mah chopper and shoot dem wolves, and ah have time for a quickie with Joe the imbecile plumber mah type of man. An if male govnuhs can get nookie from Argentina so kin Sarah the dimwit.

1984

June 30th, 2009
2:26 pm

Jackie, if I am transparent and you don’t have to read my postings, then why do you continue to address me? Again, its NOT reading what I write that makes you look that much more stupid.

AmVet, I am not a republican. I am a conservative libertarian. I agree with you on some of your points but still, you seem to be more in line with big government all while getting angry at republican government intervention. The problem with you is you want government to implement things YOU want yet at the same time chastise republicans or conservatives for wanting government to implement what they want. Bottom line: KEEP GOVERNMENT OUT OF EVERYTHING. LET THE MARKET SOLVE ITSELF.

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
2:27 pm

@1984

“too transparent” is correct. Typo.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
2:36 pm

Aftuh bangin Argentina nookie and stealin from mah state to fly her to NYC and fly mah little head to Buenos Airest, ah has done read the story of King David of the Jews and ah wants to keep mah hypocritical right wingnut Christian butt in office ’cause ah done read the story of King David. If indicted soon of an 18 USC violation of stealing state funds and misappropriating them, ah will stand up in court and say ah done banged the woman with state money but ah has read the story of King David so ah wants Obama to pardon me. Ah is sure that’ll fly and ah is still gonna run for Pressedunt cause ah gots as much chance as the rest of them dead white mens walkin and of course the doofus dimwit who is afraid of interviews with real journalists. In Fox and Jesus ah do rest mah faith and hey Jesus was Jewish so ah uses the Old Testament in defense of mah new testamant lyin’ theivin buttd .

And ah its so glad that when ah told Pressoodent Clinton to resign he jumped to do mah biddin’. Ah gotta go hang with duh Ensign and Cubby Culbertson now.

John Edwards

June 30th, 2009
2:40 pm

Aftuh I banged my gulfrien in Califooooornia ah went back and banged my tumor, I mean ma wife. Ahhhhhhh neva liked dat Mak Saaaaaanfad. Only democrats aaaaaaah alout to cheat on dare wivessssssss. Da shame!

1984

June 30th, 2009
2:40 pm

Jackie, no, that wasn’t a typo. Just your blatant stupidity. Just sayin….

Munch

June 30th, 2009
2:46 pm

Al Franken, Senator from Minnesota.

Hey wingnuts….Suck. On. That.

1984

June 30th, 2009
2:53 pm

Munch, be careful what you wish for. We said the same thing in 2000 and 2004.

Copyleft

June 30th, 2009
3:09 pm

“LET THE MARKET SOLVE ITSELF.”

Which it has thoroughly proven itself incapable of doing, so I think we can safely ignore the “conservative-libertarian” nonsense and move on to more intelligent ideas now.

Get Real

June 30th, 2009
3:19 pm

‘84, I pointed your comment out because you seem to have cornered the market on comments in this blog. Relative to Enron and energy. No Enron didn’t bankrupt Cali. Democrats AND Republicans did. You have a republican governor, and asinine rules where you need a 2/3rds majority to pass any meaningful legislation. So republicans in Cali, knowing that the state’s finances are in the toilet, would oppose a policy of spending cuts and increased taxes just to say they didn’t raise taxes. Hence, no summer school, teachers, laid off, and a bankrupt entity.

conservative democrat

June 30th, 2009
3:22 pm

Elephant Whip,
You wrote, “…more or less than a gliding fall followed…”. One problem with this is there never seems to be such a phenom, ‘gliding fall’. It usually a waterfall crash, if you look back. Stair step up, waterfall down. When the waterfall down phenom occurs, it usually in a panic situation. Damn human behavior…it’s either fear or greed that motivates us.

Elephant Whip

June 30th, 2009
3:27 pm

1984:

“It only took 6 months for Obama Hussein to take us from 8% unemployment to nearly 11%.”

Wrong. More like. “For six months false optimism that the damage of the economic policy under Bush II will abate and inflated hopes that Obama can somehow help has kept the employment from falling more than 3%.”

Elephant Whip

June 30th, 2009
3:32 pm

conservative democrat:

Admittedly, I am no economist. And I am open to instruction in this area. But, from what I have heard, I understand that “stimulus” only lengthens economic downturns while preventing extreme outcomes and delays recovery, whereas a freer market would permit more extreme outcomes but would not delay recovery as much.

I just want to know if anyone has any kind of numbers/projections on either theory.

conservative democrat

June 30th, 2009
3:37 pm

Orwellian Scary Guy 1984,
You don’t even know the difference ‘tween a yellar dawg democrat and a blue dog democrat.
Here’s the story. A republican that was running against Ole Gene Tallmadge was stumpin’ down in Ludowici in the spring of ’39 when a farmer comes up and the republican says, “Sir, can I respectfully ask for you vote this November?” The farmer says, “Respectfully, no, since my grandfather was a democrat and my father was a democrat, I suppose that in November I’ll be votin’ for Ole Gene Tallmadge.”
To this the republican replies, “What if your grandfather was a horse thief and your father was a horse thief? Then would you still vote for Ole Gene Tallmadge?”
The farmer replies to the republican, “Well then sir, I suppose I would be a goll darned republican.”
Us “yellar dawg” democrats would rather vote democrat even if the only thing runnin agin’ the republican was a darned ole “yellar dawg.”

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
3:53 pm

@1984

When it comes to stupidity, you have no peers!
All one has to do is wait for you to post and the proof is laid upon the table.
I dare you, post something substantial and meaningful.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
3:54 pm

Ah was all set to sit down an have mah aftuhnoon tea while watching youtubes of nude Maegan Fox and readin’ mah King David and travel brochures to see where in central Amerikuh ah could find muh nookie after robbin’ a bank like Marco Sanford and damn if it don’t hit me in da face. Pubtards done lost to Mr. #60 (cause Specter has always been a board certified idiot and a blue dog). Friends and neighbors Get off yo butt and Boogie cause

WE HAS DONE GOT US A SENATUH AL FRANKEN AND THE PUBTARD FLUNKIE PAWLENTY HE BE CERTIFYIN’ TODAY! YEE HAW WOOTEN

Ah always asks for dem to gimme da college paper NYT and da highschool paper AJC. LOL AJC so poor they can’t even put papers in the stands no more.

conservative democrat

June 30th, 2009
4:00 pm

Kournikova reportedly involved in fight
Security broke up the fight and the offended woman was escorted from the premises.
…If you’re a security guard, that’s a good way to get mugged. Or shot.

conservative democrat

June 30th, 2009
4:08 pm

Elephant Whip,
Uncharted water…nobody has a crystal ball. Pulling back on the throttle at this stage of a recovery has been tried before…with disastrous results usually.
My personal feeling is that this whole shebang was pulled off by a few billionaires with an agenda last fall. It can be over sooner rather than later, but I like the low interest rates and availability of capital for a recovery. The clunker money was probably the best $1 billion spent so far in getting things going again.

conservative democrat

June 30th, 2009
4:17 pm

Orwellian Scary Guy 1984,
YouTube ‘Deep thoughts with Jack Hanbey’ and Stuart Smalley, “because people like me”.

1984

June 30th, 2009
4:18 pm

Jackie brings stupid to a whole new level.

Elephant Whip, WROOOOOOOONG, the current economic policies belong to OBAMA HUSSIEN. The “stimulus package” that was supposed to stimulate the economy have failed. Unemployment was at 8% when Bush left office. IT is now close to 11%. This belongs to Obama Hussein.

conservative democrat, touche. Touche.

Get Real, what republicans in Cali? There is only one prominent republican and he sides with democrats 90% of the time in Cali. Again, it’s liberalism run amok. Hello Michigan, hello California. Goodbye America.

1984

June 30th, 2009
4:19 pm

conservative democrat, once again I have correct you. I am in no way affiliated with Orwell. My blog handle is about the 84 Olympics. And a little Reagan. Thanks for playing.

Churchill's MOM

June 30th, 2009
4:33 pm

. — South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford said Tuesday that he “crossed lines” with a handful of women other than his mistress — but never had sex with them. The governor said he “never crossed the ultimate line” with anyone but Maria Belen Chapur, the Argentine at the center of a scandal that has derailed his once-promising political career.

“This was a whole lot more than a simple affair, this was a love story,” Sanford said. “A forbidden one, a tragic one, but a love story at the end of the day.”

During an emotional interview at his Statehouse office with The Associated Press on Tuesday, Sanford said Chapur is his soul mate but he’s trying to fall back in love with his wife.

He said that during the encounters with other women he “let his guard down” with some physical contact but “didn’t cross the sex line.” He wouldn’t go into detail.

Sanford said the casual encounters happened outside the U.S. while he was married but before he met Chapur, on trips to “blow off steam” with male friends.

Sanford also admitted he saw Chapur more times than previously disclosed, including what was to be a farewell meeting in New York chaperoned by a spiritual adviser soon after his wife found out about the affair.

He described five meetings with Chapur over the past year, including two romantic, multi-night stays with her in New York before they met there again intending to break up.

Peter

June 30th, 2009
4:37 pm

Hey Jim, when are you going to write about Sanford gets Married, then Finds his “Soul Mate” ?

Elephant Whip

June 30th, 2009
4:37 pm

1984:

In order to dodge the obvious, you apply strange logic. Policies take a while for implemenation and impact. So it might be some time before we see any results of NEW policy. However, at the end of the Bush II administration, before we even knew Obama would be elected, the crap hit the fan and we’re still taking it in the teeth.

The reason your logic is so strange is because, given your other comments, you appear to be a Reaganite who would readily attribute the economy under Clinton to Reagan and his toadie, Bush I. But when it comes to Obama, who has been in office for six months, you want to blame him for the effects of things that happened before he was even elected.

1984

June 30th, 2009
4:50 pm

Elephant Whip, for almost 8 years we had growth in most sectors. Unemployment was at 4% two years ago and into 2008. Funny how you don’t blame Barney Frank or Chris Dodd with Fannie and Freddie, which ultimately caused this mess. Usher in Obama Hussein: He URGED congress to pass the stimulus package to create jobs and help stop the financial mess. Now, did the stimulus package solve ANY problems? NOOOOOOOOOPE! Joe Biden even said that it didn’t do anything but get us into more debt. Now, Obama Hussien OWNS this economy. He OWNS 11% unemployment and stagnation. He’s about to own inflation as soon as that hits. He also OWNS national security or lack of. When we get bombed, and we will get bombed, he will own it because he weakened us.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
5:05 pm

Yoyo yo all you King David nookie hawks:

Vanity Fait: It Came from Wasilla–A Dissection of Dimwit!

Why them Eastern hippie liberal magazines from da Conde Naste building, one of the ugliest in NYC on da outside not bad on da inside makin’ fun of mah Sarah who is da only hope for dis country and dis world.

Billy Bob

June 30th, 2009
5:09 pm

The simple and appropriate answer is “no” the federal government should not appropriate funds to assist the various state governments who find themselves with a projected budget shortfall. Somehow I’m getting IMF and Worldbank deja vu.

“For those brave souls who wish to review the events that led to the economic crisis we now live in, please click here. Moral of the story: You can put a dress on a turd (a bad mortgage) but it’ll still be a turd (a defaulted bad mortgage).

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
5:14 pm

Vanity Fair: It Came from Minnesota: Mah Mooseshootin Dimwitter Dissected by Dee Dee Myers’ Husband

Ah done hopes this link works.

Eleven million bucks spent in litigation by Norm Coleman and Al Frankeen since November. That’s a lot of valet parkin’ and could finance a lot of trips to Argentina.

Peter

June 30th, 2009
5:15 pm

Hey 1984…….. It took George Bush 8 years to Bilk California start (2) TWO Wars, and ruin the economy…..the Banking system almost TOTALLY Collapsed under Bush…….guys like Bernie Madoff were given a Free Passes by the Bush Regulators……. the Housing market has gone into the toilet……..

The Republican mantra…..let the markets work themselves out……. is not, was not working….. under Regan the privileged made out period……trickle down economics were…”Piss on the Poor guy”.

In 2 years we will see how things will play out….. How many years has it been since Bush said “Mission Accomplished” ?

Yes he did accomplish something..he was able to BILK the Treasury department !

Obama can’t fix all in 6 months…….especially since we were almost wiped out financially as a nation.

Pubtards Continue to Lose

June 30th, 2009
5:17 pm

Peter

June 30th, 2009
5:22 pm

Hey Jim………Sanford says he crossed the line with a hand full of women…….

Is that what Republican’s mean by ” Extended Family Values ” ?

Billy Bob

June 30th, 2009
5:23 pm

Apologies on the faulty link in my prior post. It really is a good chronology from ‘genesis to revelation’.

Click here for the link

anti-Peter

June 30th, 2009
5:24 pm

Peter, you are one dumb mutt!

1984

June 30th, 2009
5:39 pm

Peter, I’m not defending Bush’s big spending ways. It pissed me off when he was on a spending spree. That’s why I changed parties and won’t vote republican until they get back to conservatism. But you are wrong in saying Obama Hussein has only had 6 months to fix it. He has done more to get us into debt than fix anything. He’s tripled the debt and unemployment is now at 10.5%. I understand that there are no quick fixes but Obama Hussein doesn’t know anything about the economy. He thinks the stock market is just some poll that people like to watch. Said it himself. He’s an inexperienced community organizer that’s lacks any economic skills. Most academics don’t have economic skills because they sit on the sideline and play arm chair quarterback.

1984

June 30th, 2009
5:40 pm

Peter, by the way, we’re still better off without Saddam Hussein. I bet it just kills you to admit that. Don’t it baby! Don’t it!

1984

June 30th, 2009
5:42 pm

This should piss off the libs.

OBAMA MORE THAN ‘CONCERNED’

By Neal Boortz

North Korea launches a missile and it takes Barack Obama and the UN five days to respond. Iran holds fraudulent elections, kills protesters and it takes weeks before Barack Obama can stand up and say that he is “concerned” about the situation.

Then the people of Honduras try to uphold their constitution and laws of the land from being trampled by a Chavez-wanna be … and it takes Barack Obama one day to proclaim that this was not a legal coup.

Why the sudden decisiveness? Where were these strong opinions on foreign matters when Iranian authorities were trampling protestors and cutting off media access to the outside world? Where was this decisiveness when Kim Jong Ill decided that he was going to launch missiles toward Hawaii on the Fourth of July? Why … NOW … is Obama suddenly speaking out loudly

How about a little background. Are you really sure you know what has been going on in Honduras? Do you think that this was simply a coup? Let me give you a rough outline here, and then you can sit back and wonder just why PrezBO is in the weeds with Chavez and Castro on this one.

Mel Zelaya is, or was, the President of Honduras. He and Hugo Chaves were tight. So tight, it seems, that Zelaya wanted to emulate Hugo by changing the Honduran constitution to allow him to run for office until he durned well gets tired of it.

To change the constitution in Honduras you have to convene a constituent assembly. The president cannot do that. The Honduran congress must approve a national referendum calling for the constituent assembly to consider changes to the constitution. Zelaya didn’t like the part about the constitution requiring approval of the congress before a national referendum could be called. So … he decided to call one on his own.

OK .. so here we have President Zelaya calling for a national referendum when he doesn’t have the power to do so. The next problem is obtaining ballots! Since the Honduran congress had not called for the referendum, as required by the constitution, the government certainly wasn’t going to print the ballots! After all, how smart would it be to print ballots for an illegal referendum? So … Zelaya had to get the ballots printed elsewhere. Here’s an idea! Get his pall Hugo Chavez to print them! Yes! That will work!

So Chaves prints Zelaya’s ballots and they’re shipped to Honduras. Enter the Honduran Supreme Court. The court considers Zelaya’s election in light of the requirements of the Honduran constitution, and rules the referendum illegal and unconstitutional. The court then issues an order to the Honduran military telling them not to do the logistical work associated with Zelaya’s phony referendum. Remember, now … all of this has one primary goal. To get rid of the term limits limiting Zelaya’s rule in Honduras.

After the supreme court’s decision, General Romeo Velasquez tells President Zelaya that he is subject to a proper order from the Supreme Court and will not be able to carry out Zelaya’s referendum. So … Zelaya fires him. The Supreme Court orders Zelaya to reinstate Velasquez, and Zelaya refuses to do so.

At this point Zelaya’s ego is getting the better of him. If the military won’t run his illegal referendum, he’ll just do it himself. He gins up a mob and leads them to the military compound where Hugo’s ballots are stored and then has his supporters begin distributing the ballots to the masses.

Based on the Supreme Court’s ruling the Honduran attorney general said that the proposed referendum was illegal and said that he would arrest anyone attempting to carry out the election. Zelaya was arrested by the military and was escorted out of the country.

Now … does this sound like a military coup-de-etat to you? The attorney general and the military were operating in accordance with the Honduran rule of law. They acted under a valid court order. Coup? The Honduran congress has convened and designated a successor president, all in accordance with the Honduran Constitution. Military coup? The presidential elections set for November .. the election that Zelaya was trying to get around … will go on as scheduled. A blow for democracy?

Fidel Castro, Daniel Noriega, Hugo Chavez … all on the side of Zelaya. But Obama? Obama fighting against the rule of law and for a wannabe dictator? What gives?

1984

June 30th, 2009
5:44 pm

“Pop quiz, ladies and gentlemen: What do God and Barack Obama have in common? God does not have a birth certificate, either.”

Peter

June 30th, 2009
5:52 pm

Hey 1984……….. God is in everyone alive and all those who have already died……so he has lots of Birth Certificates !

We would have been better off without Bush…..and Saddam in power !

Funny if not for the kids

June 30th, 2009
5:59 pm

Did Governor I Can’t Keep It In My Pants Sanford really just call his Argentinian squeeze a “soul mate” then at the same time say he wants to reconcile his marriage?

Yeah, that’ll make the ol’ wife feel special. What’s you gonna next, tell her how fat she looks in that dress?

Guess those kids can just regift that Father’s Day present.

Jackie

June 30th, 2009
6:02 pm

@1984

You continue to flagellate.