The harsh lessons of California

California is lined up, hands extended, palm up, imploring the Obama Administration to guarantee its debt –  a guarantee as inconceivable as state ownership of General Motors once was. 

 Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger projects that California will create a deficit of $23.4 billion over the next year, a deficit bigger than Georgia’s entire budget. Voters this month rejected higher taxes and borrowing from future lottery proceeds to fund current consumption, prompting California officials to go hat-in-hand to Washington.  More immediately, Schwarzenegger is proposing dramatic cuts.  He would, for example, eliminate welfare and would end non-emergency health care for illegals. He’d also whack the California version of Georgia’s PeachCare health insurance program for children in families with too much income to qualify for Medicaid.  He’s eliminating some future grants for college students,  ordering unpaid leaves for state employees, and giving one-year early releases to prison inmates who are not thought to be violent and are not identified as sex offenders.

Periodically news organizations or advocacy groups send delegations to other states or cities to take a look at growth, development, a new transportation project or housing developments. Those trips invariably lead to long accounts full of unwarranted self-criticism and place-envy to set up the question:  “Why can’t we be more like…?” 

A far more valuable trip would be to Sacramento and to other parts of California to examine the question:  Where does liberalism in governing take us?  In some cases, California is far ahead of Georgia in terms of the experiments it’s tried — in public initiatives, for example, or in setting caps on state spending.  (Proposition 8, which affirmed that marriage is between a man and a woman, was a public initiative.)  Georgia has never had public initiative and whenever the movement has started to get legs in the past, legislators resist, offering something weak and virtually impossible for voters to bring forth.  California once had real spending caps; the one voters rejected was more symbolic than real.  Georgia has never had them — and it should.

California also funds education almost entirely from the state level.  Bad policy?  Yes. It creates the expectation that somebody else is paying the tab.  It also tempts voters to exempt education from the usual spending constraints, as Californians have done.

Georgia is not yet a mature state.  There’s still time to fix our troubles before they develop.  Look to California for guidance.  Plan a trip.  What to do?  What to avoid?

180 comments Add your comment

Che was a homicidal maniac

May 28th, 2009
2:39 pm

Copyleft, I don’t seek your respect. I have a great time pointing out how stupid and irrelevant you really are. You are on these blogs day in and day out making fun of other bloggers.

Bottom line: You don’t have a job. Loser.

Che was a homicidal maniac

May 28th, 2009
2:40 pm

Copyleft, speaking of poo, I can’t help but notice how you stink up the blogs with your idiocies and blatant lies about different topics.

Again, get a job!

Turd Fergusen

May 28th, 2009
2:42 pm

The CA welfare State will hopefully die an long painful and agonizing death. Its time for welfare cheats, bums, food stamp baby mama’s to get out of the bed before noon and do something besides eating a box of twinkies and washing them down with that last 40 of malt liquor.

These bums deserve no healthcare nor anything else except some long overdue lessons in self-respect, cleanliness and work ethic. The govt should begin classes in personal hygiene for this smelly stinky lot…ya know…teeth brushing, bathing, use of soap, beard-rat infestation, clothes washing etc. I personally am tired of all my hard earned dollars going to support the lowest common denominators ie ghetto thugs/rappers. I say…LET THEM STARVE.

*POOT*

hryder

May 28th, 2009
2:45 pm

Experiencing at least one year of residence as an adult in ten different states I offer the following basic guidelines that could inprove governance in most states: a)Unicameral legislature, b)90 day legislative session limit meeting only biannually, c)state budget may not run a deficit, and d)term limit for legislators of three four year terms(maximum of twelve years) and a two four year(eight year total) limit on terms for serving as governor. Also, there would be zero retirement benefits for any years of service as a legislator or governor.

Che was a homicidal maniac

May 28th, 2009
2:45 pm

Turd Fergusen, YOU ARE 100% CORRECT. I’M SICK AND TIRED OF MY MONEY GOING TO LAZY FAT MEN AND WOMEN WHO SIT ON THEIR 300 POUND A$$ES.

Take a look at Hurricane Katrina and all the baby mamas and deadbeat black men who do nothing!

Turd Fergusen

May 28th, 2009
2:56 pm

There is plenty of money for education and all the liberal causes. NO tax increase is needed. What is needed is ACCOUNTABILITY. For example just look at the City of Atlanta…millions of dollars of CITY PROPERTY unaccounted for…”they” simply dont know where it went.

I know where it went…strait into the pockets and homes of these govt employees ie BUMS…yes…BUMS and THIEVES, who are running Atlanta city govt and we have in charge the Grand POOBAH, Shirley Franklin leading the charge. Why should I support the inner cit debacle that is never gonna disappear. These so-called leaders like Sharpton, Jesse and that USELESS LOWERY would be out of a job should poverty disappear and they dont want it to disappear. All they want is constant bitching, discord, complaining and blaming the white man for all their self-imposed problems…plain and simple

stinger

May 28th, 2009
2:56 pm

Come on Che. Some black men work. They sell drugs.

Paul A

May 28th, 2009
2:58 pm

Thank you Copyleft. Civility can exist on this blog. I’m quite impressed with your response.

Dear Che – While I am sympathetic to your conservative views I really have to take issue with your method of speech in this public forum.

As a republican I don’t like what I see in the news anymore more than the next conservative. However, it is my humble belief that you can catch more bees with honey instead of vinegar. Why not try a different approach?

We conservatives have much to add to the national discussion. Responding in a vicious manner to nasty comments from bloggers isn’t going to get us anywhere. We’re tough… We can handle a little sticks and stones but please don’t go over the cliff by sinking to someone else’s level. Be strong dude. Be smart. Be polite but stick to your guns. Nobody will fault you for that.

If we as conservatives and liberals can avoid the trap of reckless insults and calmly yet assertively make our views known we can demonstrate that America is truly the greatest country on earth.

It is my humble wish that you and my fellow conservatives on these blogs would simply keep the discussions here on point. It is my belief that we are right most of the time. That doesn’t mean the others are stupid or deserving of being called sexual organs.

We aren’t going to win any friends with that type of speech. Keep it real man. Keep it honest. Please keep it polite.

Copyleft (who I don’t necessarily agree with) impressed me with his last post. Kudos to him.

Try it Che. You might be pleasantly surprised.

Ya’all have a great day. Smile sometimes… It won’t kill you. It’ll certainly feel better than anger.

Leon

May 28th, 2009
2:59 pm

Man, that’s a lot of “reading”. Two things from the above posts are crystal clear:

1. Paul A is doing his best to further civil, political discourse. Thanks Paul

2. che is running for a-hole of the month. Dude you got my vote.

Che was a homicidal maniac

May 28th, 2009
3:03 pm

Paul A, you still don’t understand. I am TRYING to get a rise out of libs. Calm down.

Leon, and you get my vote for biggest hack of the month. Lady you get my vote.

Turd Fergusen

May 28th, 2009
3:03 pm

T.I. is another fine example…in his interview with Spin or Jet Mag he, like all of them do, “Thanked God” he was able to have on hand a spare half million in order to buy his way out of severe jail time. What does that say to the inner city youth and children of these, as they are referred too, “unwed mothers” ie baby mama’s. It says to them to hell with getting an education just git cha some street cred and be a rappa.

LOL…such a silly arrogant yet ignorant lot. We have black males with the emotional skills of an 11 year old running around with millions of dollars, nice automobiles they turn into junk/hoopdys, fathering who knows how many kids into a life of poverty and guns that are grabbin they crotch and lecturing society on morals…LOL. Then these punks wanna be like TI and Diddy and the rest…what a short sighted bunch.

I type LOL yet…if it werent so sad it would be funny.

Jackie

May 28th, 2009
3:22 pm

@stinger

How do you know that some black men sell drugs; you must not have gotten your moneys worth?

@Che

You are Communist AJC. Same tactics, some attacks, same insanity.
Still claiming to be a “dookie?”

stinger

May 28th, 2009
3:34 pm

Jackay, what the he11 does that even mean? Have you ever watched COPS?

Turd Fergusen

May 28th, 2009
3:37 pm

Did Ted Kennedy drink himself to death this past weekend? NO?!!! *sigh* Well there is always hope for this coming weekend!!! YES!!

Teddy…the lake of firewater awaits you!

JamC

May 28th, 2009
3:39 pm

California is a perfect example of a place I love to visit, but you couldn’t pay me enough to live there.

It’s also the perfect cautionary tale of what happens when left-wingers take control of a state.

Why don’t we just give California back to Mexico.

Munch

May 28th, 2009
3:41 pm

Che thinks he is getting a rise, or getting our goat, or some such. No. Silly little bunts like Che are objects of hilarity, but since he posts lie after wingnut lie, it is important to call him out on the facts. And when we do, proving to all with eyes that the man is a helpless liar, all he can do is get hysterical and throw insults.

To wit: One poster claims Repubs are being inordinately targeted in the Chrysler dealership shutdown. I post facts showing that 88% of political donations from car/auto dealers go to the GOP, 12% to the Dems. Now, unless there is a conspiracy amongst Democratic auto dealers to donate to the GOP just to confuse simpletons like Che, we can safely assume that somewhere around 85% of car dealers are GOP. Thus, any close down of dealerships will more likely than not (by a factor of, oh, say 22:3) result in a GOP owner being closed down. Facts marshaled in the pursuit of reasoned analysis.

Yet Che responds by hurling feces and pouting. Why he even pulls ACORN into the argument, if for no other reason than its utter irrelevance might “get a rise” out of liberals. Wrong again. It serves our purpose well to have irrational, sputtering fools like Che and the well named T-rd carrying the banner for the right wing. As the sane-voiced Paul so well notes, guys like that give the GOP a bad name, one that results in the kind of electoral pounding witnessed 8 months ago.

So keep it up, Che. You are truly the liberal’s best friend.

Turd Fergusen

May 28th, 2009
3:43 pm

Hey Muncher…I carry the flag for Common Sense. Something the Dems lost all concept of years ago.

Turd Fergusen

May 28th, 2009
3:46 pm

Hey Buttmunch…I carry the flag for Common Sense. Something the Dems lost all concept of years ago.

Che was a homicidal maniac

May 28th, 2009
3:46 pm

Jackie, I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re delusional. Get help.

Munch, get a job loser. I gave your mom a rise.

Leon

May 28th, 2009
3:49 pm

Now, now Che. I can’t vote for you again, flattery will get you nowhere.

Che was a homicidal maniac

May 28th, 2009
3:50 pm

Munch, you probably believe Obama is Jesus and Al Gore invented the internet.

Munch

May 28th, 2009
3:50 pm

T-rd, a quick glance at the first post of the day in Wooten world will give you a pretty good idea of what I think of your “common sense”.

One of the great tragedies of our time is the notion that “regular guys” somehow have a better grasp of facts than people trained in their respective fields. I realize that dim bulbs like you and Che can’t stand to admit that you are not the sharpest knives in the drawer. But this national plague of anti-intellectualism has got to end if we hope to compete as a global economic power. Turning to stalwart common sensers like Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin seems to be the GOPs hail mary play these days. How’s that working out for you?

The flag for common sense. Sweet jumping jesus, man, is that the best you can muster?

reservoirDAWG

May 28th, 2009
3:54 pm

Munch, out of curiosity, in what field are you trained?

Che was a homicidal maniac

May 28th, 2009
3:58 pm

Munch is trained in the field of hamburger flipping.

Munch

May 28th, 2009
3:59 pm

Law. Political science. English. Music. Education. I got more degrees than a protractor.

Che is correct… I do not have a job. I retired three years ago at age 46.

Munch

May 28th, 2009
4:00 pm

I did not get a degree in psychology, but I’m pretty sure that Che @3:59 is a pretty good example of “projection”.

Jackie

May 28th, 2009
4:03 pm

@stinger

You statements appears to bear witness to a firsthand transaction.
I do not watch COPS. It appears that you do consistently.
Now, what about those transactions of the black drug dealers?
What about your black co-workers who would be appalled at the attitude you have relative to them.

Jackie

May 28th, 2009
4:09 pm

@Turd

If Atlanta is so bad, would you care to compare YOUR municipality with all the city has to offer?

Better yet, what city(s) would you purport to be “better” than Atlanta?

Che was a homicidal maniac

May 28th, 2009
4:09 pm

Munch, sure you do Munch. And what would a woman like yourself, be doing on an AJC blog? Seems to me a retired person would have better things to do. Then again, me thinks you’re a liar.

Speaking of diagnosis, I will assume that you are a closet homosexual with a serial liar instinct.

stinger

May 28th, 2009
4:14 pm

Jackay, I actually own my business so I have no black employees and furthermore no co-workers.

reservoirDAWG

May 28th, 2009
4:15 pm

Munch, so you were a career student?

Jackie

May 28th, 2009
4:23 pm

@stinger

Uh huh!!!

Fred

May 28th, 2009
4:23 pm

“Government creates jobs”.

That’s what these economic retards say. News flash you Darwin Award Winners – government may create jobs but it does not CREATE WEALTH and wealth creation while pursuing one’s self-interest is a positive activity despite your wealth-redistribution beliefs you moronic Marxists. But no, Adam Smith was wrong and Karl Mark was right despite REAL LIFE proving otherwise. You effin sheep think that your high and mighty politicians aren’t touched by the same human foibles that you always disparage.

Pay up. Get a second job. The poor people need more of what you got you pathetic two-faced hypocrites.

Brittancus

May 28th, 2009
4:24 pm

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Daedalus

May 28th, 2009
4:25 pm

Well with the underfunded Georgia State government, our dysfunctional legislature, our GOP’s anti-science bias and a transportation system completely devoid of leadership from the Governor and the GOP, Georgia should not have to worry about anyone emulating our ’success’.

At least we got those gays and lesbians back in the closet where they belong.

Enjoy your car everyone, because you’ll be stuck in traffic evermore.

Che was a homicidal maniac

May 28th, 2009
4:34 pm

Daedalus, yeah that scary GOP sure is ruining the Georgia economy right?
Moron.

Munch

May 28th, 2009
4:37 pm

Well, it would be pretty hard to retire at 46 as a career student!

Full-time student until my mid-20s. Education degree came later, while I was working. Some good investments, and the good fortune to get out of speculation while the getting was good. Now I do some consulting, research, and some writing. Play some gigs and teach some students how to play. Life is good for this Dirty F^ci6ing Hippie.

Jackie

May 28th, 2009
4:38 pm

@stinger

You accounting functions must not be doing well, as you can’t seem to spell my name correctly. Maybe that is your attempt as condescension?

reservoirDAWG

May 28th, 2009
4:40 pm

You could have been a trustfundian.

stinger

May 28th, 2009
4:41 pm

Jackay, you know, from 227.

Munch

May 28th, 2009
4:44 pm

Dang, DAWG, I wish it were so. Worked pretty much fulltime in college and grad school and carried a hefty student loan bill when I graduated in ‘86. Several scholarship/fellowship/grant awards really helped. But no trust fund. Alas.

stinger

May 28th, 2009
4:48 pm

Well, hard work and using your head pays off. We will have to agree to disagree on politics.

Mort Merkel

May 28th, 2009
4:49 pm

Che is a blogjacking imbecile.

Jackie

May 28th, 2009
4:52 pm

@stinger

Your accounting functions must be a mess! Your A/R does not work correctly as you can’t spell!!!!

You cash flow must be negative!

JLK

May 28th, 2009
4:52 pm

M, is it still too soon?

Jackie

May 28th, 2009
4:52 pm

@stinger

Do you have any black customers?

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

May 28th, 2009
5:00 pm

CHE NOTICE EVERYTHING YOU NAMED NEGATIVE THAT WAS PLACED ON OBAMA WAS STARTED BY BUSH,FUNNY HOW YOU NUTCASE GOP DIXIE STUPID BACKWARD FOOLS NEVER MENTION HOW WE GOT HERE? OR WHO GOT US HERE? BUT YOU FOOLS PLACE BUSH PHUCK UP ON OBAMA,THIS IS WHY THE EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP,BECAUSE YOUR TWISTED WICKED VIEWS OF REALITY ARE EVIL BOMB EVERYBODY KILL EVERYBODY THATS NOT GOP,THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT SADDAM AND IRAQ BOMBED US ON 9-11.

N.J,

May 28th, 2009
5:02 pm

Yup its left in the field, but at NOTHING like the rates its currently being left in the field. Also you dont have any explanations why American farmers are LEASING land in Mexico in order to get a crop in, dickweed.

Every Republican in every AGRICULTURAL based state has signed on to the latest AgBill which hugely expands an AMNESTY for illegals who work in the agricultural sector.

And its the anti illegal immigrant actions of these nitwits that have sent the U.S. from number one world agricultural exporter down below China and a lot of other members of the communist bloc.

Lets see where Californias problems started. Proposition 13 and tax cuts.

The United States STOPPED being the worlds largest agricultural exporter just about the time that Republicans started stepping up their border patrols and with groups like the “Minutemen”

In 2000, we were still number one.

Even by TOTAL exports the United States is now below the European Union as a total, Germany as a part of the European Union, and China. The European Union is now the worlds largest exporter of sugar.

The baseline of United States AG exports is expected to FALL over the next two years.

The harsh lesson of California is that after about two decades of voter referendum mandated tax cuts, the state is in a mess. Its more the cuts, than the spending. It always has been. Tax cuts are about the worse way to stimulate any economy because the evidence IS that it does NOT get spent on hiring new employees, or expanding an existing business or starting new ones. The estimated percentage of all tax cuts in the last 30 years being used for business creation or enhancement is 4 percent.

Fitzgerald

May 28th, 2009
5:08 pm

If I ever get bored and need some outstanding entertainment to light a fire in me, all I have to do is read the comments on the Wooten page. Everybody is a riot. Why can’t the political hacks have the balls to say it like it really is as folks do here. Keep it coming.

N.J,

May 28th, 2009
5:12 pm

Even better, the historical evidence since 1913, when the modern income tax system was created is that income tax cuts have NEVER stimulated the economy. In fact the opposite is true. The tax cuts have resulted in economic speculative bubbles which caused stock or real estate, or whatever the item being invested in with those excess tax dollars to be overvalued relative to GDP, and then you get a bubble that bursts, a market crash, a recession, or depression. For all the assertions that it was the subprime mortgage that caused the current mess, it was the Bush tax cuts that gave the wealthy a lot of excess capital they wanted to invest in something that was doing better than the stock market that created the increases in the prices of housing, far in excess of any real stable reason for it occuring, and anyone who used the Keynesian method of looking at the event that we are in today would have seen it coming in 2003.