Release Iraq ‘abuse’ photos? Getoutahere.

On most occasions when President Barack Obama reverses field, it is a good thing.  He’s never out of the campaign mode, so “candidate” Obama says things that President Obama lives to regret. 

 A good example was “candidate” Obama’s declaration that he’d not oppose the release of dozens of photos from military investigations that are alleged to show abuse of prisoners in Iraq. As the President responsible for serving the interests of the entire country, he came to realize that “candidate” Obama had said a dumb thing.  The release of the photos serve absolutely no good purpose.  They have propaganda value for terrorists abroad and for the leftists in this country who have never veered from their fanatical determination to see the legacy of George W. Bush destroyed.  But that’s it.

As Obama noted in announcing that his administration will try to block release of the photos, as sought by the American Civil Liberties Union, their only value is to “further inflame anti-American opinion.”  The release would, furthermore, increase the risk to American troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, said the President.

The photos served their military investigation purposes five years ago, he said.  “The individuals who were involved have been identified, and appropriate actions have been taken.” 

Memo to those on the left who are determined not to let Iraq go until history records that they were right and Bush was wrong, and that yes, it was a victory for the U.S., but not a ”fair” one, this advice:  Let it go.  Move on.

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Churchill's MOM

May 14th, 2009
7:54 am

Who cares about a bunch of pictures of Arab men being tortured? Most men are more interested in the topless pictures of Ms California, don’t you think it is wrong to publich that kind of picture? Our next president and my husband are sure all for Ms Prejean.

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin released a statement Wednesday night defending Miss California against “the liberal onslaught of malicious attacks.”

Carrie Prejean finished second in the Miss USA contest after voicing her opposition to gay marriage in response to a question by pageant judge and openly gay blogger Perez Hilton. Prejean was attacked by some on the left for her answer, but emerged as a star among social conservatives following the contest.

Palin said she spoke to Prejean soon after the contest and “can relate as a liberal target myself.”

“What I find so remarkable is that these politically-motivated attacks fail to show that what Carrie and I believe is also what President Obama and Secretary Clinton believe — marriage is between a man and a woman,” Palin said.

The Alaska governor went on “applaud” Donald Trump for not stripping Prejean of her Miss California crown after risque photos of her emerged following her answer in the pageant.

“I respect Carrie for standing strong and staying true to herself, and for not letting those who disagree with her deny her protection under the nation’s First Amendment Rights,” Palin said.

“Our Constitution protects us all – not just those who agree with the far left.”

Truth

May 14th, 2009
7:59 am

I think Dick Cheney is trying to destroy W Bush’s legacy of corruption and incompentency. You know W’s gifts never quit giving to the good old USA.

jt

May 14th, 2009
8:06 am

“enhanced interrogation” coming to a police department near you….soon.
A good citizen has nothing to worry about.

Davo

May 14th, 2009
8:09 am

I would think that those who support torture would like to see the photos released. If your so proud of the practice, why not show it off?
As for Bush’s legacy…good luck finding anything to salvage from his reign of incompetance; your lucky that Obama doesn’t rub W’s face in his own filth day after day.

William Casey

May 14th, 2009
8:13 am

I disagree with Carrie Prejean’s opinion on gay marriage but I also believe that her response to a provacative question was measured and thoughtful. She does NOT deserve the personal attacks she has received.

Jim Jr.

May 14th, 2009
8:20 am

W. is currently ranked as the 6th worst president of all times, and not all that far from getting the worst spot. How are you going to tranish much more?

Redneck Convert

May 14th, 2009
8:33 am

Well, I don’t care to see photos of the towelheads getting what’s coming to them, but I sure would like to see the pictures of Ms. California. Just to know more about what people are talking about, not to see nekkid women.

Have a good day everybody.

aratunes

May 14th, 2009
8:37 am

Detainee Interrogation Photos Leak
Long suppressed photographs from interrogations conducted in secret CIA facilities have leaked and give a chilling picture of the long term damage caused by the so called enhanced techniques.
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Diogenes

May 14th, 2009
8:39 am

Good morning, Juim,

Mr. Obama has made another sound decision. You grudingly give him credit for it, but the bitter old conservative in you emerges as you try to do a good thing. Give it up, Jim. The anger and the bitterness are becoming tiresome. It’s a little overcast, but I think you can still get out and do some gardening. There’s very little chance that the sky will fall on you.

The Truth

May 14th, 2009
9:35 am

Can we at least be intelligent here? As you said, “the fanatical determination to see the legacy of George W. Bush destroyed.” What legacy? Are you kidding me?

This man did literally nothing but destroy the economy of the country while growing the government and eliminating privacy rights of all Americans with the Patriot Act. Not to mention the unfounded war in Iraq. Legacy?????

Keeping It Real

May 14th, 2009
9:42 am

I watched a documentary last night on PBS about the “behind the closed doors” drama of WWII. The relationships between the major powers(Russia,Great Britain, USA)and how they manipulated each other and other countries(most notably Poland) is quite eye opening. Germany was not the only villian. It is really difficult to determine just who your enemy really is under war time conditions. Need I need to mention our own civil war that is still being fought in some places.

President Obama is is now the “President” and not the “Candidate” and I cannot think of a better person to be our leader at this point in time. The mid east turmoil as it exists today was created by the USA, Great Britain, Russia and the European Zionist. The hatred that some in the Muslim world have toward the western world will never end, so we will be at war with them for eternity. Hopefully the social class war in our own country will not destroy us first.

Get Real

May 14th, 2009
9:50 am

I would think Jim would want the pictures released, being that they were only enhanced “interrogation techniques” that got valuable information at the time. What is there to hide if there were no crimes committed? Why would this be used as ‘propaganda’ if it was a perfectly legal technique? Somethings wrong with your hypothesis Wooten.

Condi Rice

May 14th, 2009
9:54 am

All tourture under the Bush administration was legal because he told me so.

Jackie

May 14th, 2009
10:03 am

Keep the photos implement the special prosecutor investigation for the neocon criminals.

The not only committed war crimes, they literally stole American treasure. Convict Dubya and his cohorts for their deeds and actions that were perpetuated in our names. Remember, they are citizens bound by the Constitution.

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

May 14th, 2009
10:04 am

Bank of America’s Kenneth Lewis has made some questionable private
deals, but he is a master at negotiating with the government and
leveraging a weak hand to cover his missteps,

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

May 14th, 2009
10:04 am

Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group, said Wednesday that it
had obtained government documents that showed how the Bush
administration had forced the nation’s nine largest banks to accept
$125 billion in bailout money in exchange for equity stakes.

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

May 14th, 2009
10:05 am

The 19 biggest banks may have passed the Treasury’s stress tests on how
they would weather a deep recession, but Standard & Poor’s, the credit
rating agency, thinks that many banks are far from a recovery and that
the banking crisis has merely entered a new phase.

Keeping It Real

May 14th, 2009
10:06 am

Both Colin Powell and John McCain have been outspoken in their opposition to the techniques used by America in Iraq and Guantanomo. Since both of these gentlemen have been on the battlefield, I would look at them as having a lot more substance than Bush, Cheney, etal. I am begiining to believe that America has always done things like this in times of war. We just did not have the pictures to show it. Just like President Obama, I am beginning to believe that we need to let this issue go away for the sake of our country and not just “propaganda”.

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

May 14th, 2009
10:06 am

U.S. Bancorp’s chief executive said that the bank expected in a few
weeks to be eligible to repay $6.6 billion in government money, a move
that would make it one of the first big financial institutions to exit
the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

May 14th, 2009
10:08 am

Marking its first major effort to overhaul financial regulation, the
Obama administration will seek new authority to supervise the virtually
unregulated complex financial instruments, known as derivatives, that
were a major cause of the market crisis, Congressional aides and others
who have been briefed on the decision said Wednesday.

Big Bucks GOP doing the Lords work

May 14th, 2009
10:09 am

Edward M. Liddy, the chairman of the American International Group, said
Wednesday that the company would probably need “three to five years” to
carry out its restructuring plan and repay the taxpayer money used to
bail it out.

EVIL REPUBLICANS TIME IS UP

May 14th, 2009
10:13 am

JIMBO WHAT LEGACY YOU SPEAK ABOUT WITH GEORGE BUSH,MEANING THE NEGATIVE LEGACY THAT W LEFT,NO JOBS NO MONEY FOR EDUCATION AMERICAN PEOPLE LOSING THEIR HOMES,BUT THERE ARE THOSE STUPID GOP MEMBERS WHO FOLLOW THEIR NEW LEADER OF THE GOP PARTY A DOPE USING DRUGDEALER IN RUSH LIMBAUGH,LETS KEEP IT MOVING ABOUT TORTURE,AND STOP LISTENING TO THAT COWARD DOPE USING DRUGDEALER RUSH LIMBAUGH.

Will

May 14th, 2009
10:13 am

I believe President Obama’s reconsideration of the photos represents a stark contrast to one of President Bush’s apparent flaws.

It appears that President Bush views retrospection and review as a character flaw – possibly a sign of weakness. President Bush seemingly took pride to his philosophy of making a decision, not looking back, and sticking to that decision regardless of whether or no the basis for the decision proved valid. Because of this, history is likely to be a harsh judge.

Remember during the campaign when the republican newspaper writers were taking President Obama to task because they were certain he would make military decisions regardless of the opinions of military leaders? Now they are taking him to task for reconsidering decisions after thoughtful review, including direction and advice from others.

If truth wins out, republican newspaper writers will be critical of anything President Obama does because President Obama is not a republcian.

What’s that you say – democrat writers did the same thing with President Bush? Oh please, is that what you aspire to – being no better than democrats? That sounds like the typical 3rd grade playground defense – “yes, I hit him but he hit me first” Doesn’t work for 9 year olds either!

spence

May 14th, 2009
10:24 am

So they pulled some prisoners’ pants down and made them roll on the floor! Show the pictures to John McCain and ask him if that is “torture”. I’d like to waterboard a liberal.

booger

May 14th, 2009
10:43 am

If this is not a good thing to do now, then why on earth was it a good thing to do when he released the first pictures? What national purpose did it serve then?

Both Obama,s secretary of defense and CIA director said he should not have released the first photos for exactly the same reasons he is using not to release the remainder.

Munch

May 14th, 2009
10:49 am

Spence, McCain was clear in opposition to the torture (which is what he called it) until he sold his shriveled little soul for the GOP nomination.

But your lust for torture is at least honest, unlike most of your fellow Inquisitors.

Dusty

May 14th, 2009
10:52 am

For heaven’s sake,

Obama makes a very decent, sensible, patriotic move about war pictures. His followers here act like coyotes fighting over fresh meat. What is the matter with you brain dead hate filled monsters? Can’t you ever grow up and realize that Obama is learning more and more that Bush made many decisions directed at SAVING this country? That decisions made at the moment of great urgency are usually more accurate and aware than any long after hashovers?

Jim Wooten has remarked that Obama did change his campaign promises and is giving us something better. I don’t doubt that Obama will still try to satisfy the desires of every minority and special liberal group but it does seem that he is putting the country first at the moment.

I will continue to support his good moves and object to others. May his liberal Democrats try for a bit of sensible reasoning, something they are not showing here.

Munch

May 14th, 2009
10:59 am

Okay Dusty, here’s some sensible reasoning.

Obama has made a show of standing by his intel/military people. But the courts have already ordered release of these photos, and SCOTUS has refused to hear an appeal. The photos will be coming out eventually. This is just theatre, but it has a point.

The issue remains alive, and this action helps raise its profile just a bit more, though the weekly rantings of “Dick” Cheney are doing more to drive Congress and DOJ to open an investigation than anything Obama could ever do. Add to this the kerfuffle over whether Pelosi was briefed about what/when. All this (plus more!) will serve to make an investigation inevitable. Torture apologists are doing all the heavy lifting for Obama by not knowing how to STFU.

And hey folks, can we just drop the Orwellian pretense of “enhanced interrogation”. It’s torture, and everyone knows it. Whether you are for it or agin it, let’s call a spade a spade.

Munch

May 14th, 2009
10:59 am

Okay Dusty, here’s some sensible reasoning.

Obama has made a show of standing by his intel/military people. But the courts have already ordered release of these photos, and SCOTUS has refused to hear an appeal. The photos will be coming out eventually. This is just theatre, but it has a point.

The issue remains alive, and this action helps raise its profile just a bit more, though the weekly rantings of “Dick” Cheney are doing more to drive Congress and DOJ to open an investigation than anything Obama could ever do. Add to this the kerfuffle over whether Pelosi was briefed about what/when. All this (plus more!) will serve to make an investigation inevitable. Torture apologists are doing all the heavy lifting for Obama by not knowing how to shut their gobs.

And hey folks, can we just drop the Orwellian pretense of “enhanced interrogation”. It’s torture, and everyone knows it. Whether you are for it or agin it, let’s call a spade a spade.

Ray Pugh

May 14th, 2009
11:09 am

“Dick” Cheney: the Old Faithful of bull****.

Billy Bob

May 14th, 2009
11:11 am

Munch, it’s all in the definition. IF “waterboarding” does not physically harm or damage the detainee, no matter what the detainee might be thinking during the interrogation, then I would have a hard time calling “waterboarding” torture. What statute or law governs these practices?

Poultry

May 14th, 2009
11:33 am

That was an especially surreal and wonderful namejacking of Dusty. But still it makes me wonder, what would the actual Dusty think?

Algonquin J. Calhoun

May 14th, 2009
11:34 am

Show the photos! Bring the people responsible to trial, including Bush and Cheney! War crimes should be punished and never just let go!

JustaJew

May 14th, 2009
11:35 am

Billy Bob,

the Geneva Conventions clearly state that torture is any act that causes severe pain or suffering, whether physical or MENTAL. I don’t know but it seems to me that making a person think they were going to drown might be considered severe mental suffering.

Sharecropper

May 14th, 2009
11:37 am

I don’t get it. But most often I don’t get Wooten, who like Crazy Dick Cheney, shows his age when he speaks. If we don’t torture, and Wooten et al swears we don’t, why not release the pictures? As for Crazy Dick the Psycho — I mean, he is seriously mentally ill and needs help,which I hope he won’t get because that would deny the Democrats their best 2010 campaign weapon — I am starting the “Keep Cheney Talking” committee and urging all Democrats to join. And, of course, the wingnut Republicans like Wooten. The goal is to raise money to buy air time when the talk shows weary of his drivel. I’ll have to check and see if it would constitute a campaign contribution to the Democrats.

DebbieDoRight

May 14th, 2009
11:37 am

The Legacy of GWB? Hmmmm…….. How can anyone tarnish his chocking on pretzels, passing out, and giving himself a black eye? It’s a classic!! No one can tarnish that!! His legacy lives on……..:roll:

Dusty

May 14th, 2009
11:40 am

Dear Munch,

Everybody knows that the five year old pictures show torture which is against military law. We know that. That is why the perpetrators in military prisons were punished, a fact that Obama noted. He also said that the pictures would “further influence anti-American opinion “.

So why would you want something like advertisements against America, actions which have already been judged and offenders punished? Why do you want them spread around the world to raise hate against us? Why? Why? Because you hate Bush? Because you want any further efforts in Afghanistan to fail?

Nothing has been hidden from legal authorities. No peep shows are needed for shock news items.

As Jim said, “Move on.” I would add: Forget your hate inspired prejudice and remember to do what is best for our country, not our enemies.

DebbieDoRight

May 14th, 2009
11:43 am

Can’t you ever grow up and realize that Obama is learning more and more that Bush made many decisions directed at SAVING this country?

Hee hee heee!! Dusty!! Jokes?!? From you!? :) Bush SAVING this country? LOL OMG!! Too funny!! I had no idea you were so funny!!! You kidder you!!

Algonquin J. Calhoun

May 14th, 2009
11:44 am

Billy Bob, I have an idea. To determine whether waterboarding is torture, or just good, clean fun, let’s conduct our own experiment. I’ll administer the water while you are strapped to the board. If it’s jst good fun we’ll suggest everyone try it. if you decide it’s torture we’ll continue the session ’til you have changed your mind!

Munch

May 14th, 2009
11:47 am

Billy Bob, this has got to be one of the most depressing debates in the history of our Republic.

Let’s try this…

An American soldier is captured and as part of his interrogation, is marched before a firing squad, given a last cigarette. The squad aims and fires, spraying the bullets wide and over the head of the soldier, who is then returned to his cell. No scars, no injury. The next day, it happens again. A few days pass. Then it happens again. The captors get tired of waiting for whatever confession they want, so they do this 183 times. You gonna tell me that American has not been tortured?

Or maybe a US Marine is waterboarded over and over again, say maybe 183 times, because Mullah Wankshaft wants ‘proof’ of something or other. No scars. No injury. You gonna sit by and say, well, that’s not torture, that’s just “enhanced interrogation”?

Never mind that some of the alleged Al-Q captives subjected to “enhanced interrogation” just happened to, you know, up and die. We didn’t mean it, so it can’t be murder, right?

Or maybe you have a daughter in the military. Maybe Al-Q could take your daughter and bury her in a coffin for a few days because they want some kind of information from her. But they’ll provide an air pump and a few bottles of water so she can breathe and not dehydrate. But maybe every so often they will turn the air pump off so she thinks she is going to asphyxiate. Now, because they are humanitarians, they keep a medical doctor on hand to monitor her vital functions so they don’t go too far. They turn the oxygen pump on just before she would suffer any lasting organ failure or death. Ain’t they swell? They’re just “enhancing” the interrogation a little bit.

Like I said, it’s just depressing that this conversation even has to happen.

Dusty

May 14th, 2009
11:48 am

DebbieDoRight,

Your husband fought under the direction of the Commander-in-Chief, George W. Bush. I doubt that he thinks we lost in iraq and disgraced ourselves. I certainly don’t.

What’s with you always knocking every thing about President Bush? I am sure you miss your husband when he is away in military service but he did volunteer didn’t he?

President Bush and your husband and others like him kept us safe. I appreciate that.

Keeping It Real

May 14th, 2009
11:53 am

Despite how you put it, water boarding is torture. War is torture as witnessed by the recent killings of five soldiers by another soldier. I believe that we casually use the term “collateral damage” when it applies to others. It should apply to our country as well.

We are in the crap now just like WWII. That little war started in the mid east as well and its all linked to oil and the balance of power. Why else would Obama push for extending the war in Afghandistan with out any hope of victory. Russia fought there also and lost but they now have their own oil just like we do. The troops need to be deployed in areas where they can quickly react to actions related to the oil fields and Pakistan(nuclear weapons). Do you ever wonder why Israel is our close ally(they also spy on America but that’s a whole different discussion), but they do not have troops in Iraq and Afghandistan? I believe that they are watching Iran to keep them in order. Lets not forget what happened in Kuwait. The balance of power is in play here. Read your history books and relate today’s war to WWII. Every European, Asian and American country fears the muslims and the aspect of a holy war. It is very similar and even more scary if you put nuclear weapons on the table. This is the big equalizer.

Dusty

May 14th, 2009
11:53 am

Munch,

It may surprise you to realize that WE KNOW WHAT IS TORTURE. You are beating a dead horse. What you want to do is advertise torture. No thanks. Normal people can do without that.

Algonquin J. Calhoun

May 14th, 2009
11:57 am

As Jim said, “Move on.” I would add: Forget your hate inspired prejudice and remember to do what is best for our country, not our enemies.

Krusty, speaking of the country, what have you done for the country? It’s not in the best interest of this nation to hide the truth about the torture and murder the nation has been involved in. You point out that a few underlings were punished. You know and I know that torture and terrorism were integral parts of our systematic efforts to subjugate the peoples of Iraq and Afghanistan. The few dunces put into prison for torturing detainees are nothing more than patsies taking a fall for what was a systemic policy. The trail leads right back to Bush and Cheney! These two criminals, along with Gonzalez, should be charged, tried and have sentence carried out! Their crimes are on a par with those committed by the Nazis in World War II!

Dusty

May 14th, 2009
12:01 pm

Keeping It Real@ 11:53

WWII was not “crap” as you called it. Start over again and try to write something within reason.

Poultry

May 14th, 2009
12:03 pm

Poisonally, I don’t give jack about waterboarding as a scary but relatively benign form of torture from which to gleen intelligence. What I wonder about is, how good is the intel? You waterboard me, I’ll definately tell you what you want to hear. In the intel biz we used to grade things by their importance over against their dependability. You see what I mean? (I was small potatoes, but this is basic and general.)

Munch

May 14th, 2009
12:06 pm

Dusty

Glad to know you recognize the actions under discussion as torture. Unlike you, I am unconvinced that everyone responsible has been brought to justice. My concern lies in taking the people who devised these policies and bringing the full force of the law to bear on them. People like Yoo, Bybee, Addington, and Cheney, to name just a few. People whose actions have done more to imperil Americans than any photo release could ever attain.

America once stood for a set of ideals that were admired around the world. While never perfect, we as a Nation never threw our ideals into the trashcan the way you and the rest of the torture apologists are intent upon doing. A full airing of the facts surrounding this treasonous disgrace would go a long way to proving that we are a Nation of laws and principles.

(And I won’t cry if it turns out that Pelosi knew more than she admits; but, even if that’s true, it does not change the criminality of the people who created the policies.)

DebbieDoRight

May 14th, 2009
12:10 pm

DebbieDoRight, Your husband fought under the direction of the Commander-in-Chief, George W. Bush. I doubt that he thinks we lost in iraq and disgraced ourselves. I certainly don’t.

My husband was in Afghanistan. He has always said that GWB, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al., mismanaged and mishandled that war. As for Iraq, if Iraq falls to the insurgents after we have to leave, (and don’t blame that one on O; GWB signed that agreement in October last year); then YES we’ve failed there too. We took out a stable country ruled by a meglamaniac to leave it an unstable, highly volatile, theocracy.

What’s with you always knocking every thing about President Bush? I am sure you miss your husband when he is away in military service but he did volunteer didn’t he?

What’s your point? I was UPHOLDING talks of GWB’s legacy!!! Geesh! I thought you’d be happy!!

President Bush and your husband and others like him kept us safe. I appreciate that.

GWB kept us safe!?! OMG more jokes!!! I had no idea you had it in you Dusty!!! :)

First Cav Major

May 14th, 2009
12:11 pm

These people who are so concerned about the feelings of our enemies, should have been there to pick up the pieces of human remains at the three attack sites or comforted those wives and children who lost their husbands and fathers trying to save innocent Americans from the attacks. Retribution is what the victims wanted and that is what they should have. I don’t care what happens to these rabid dogs. Water boarding is the least they deserve, rabid dogs normally get euthanized.

Dusty

May 14th, 2009
12:13 pm

A.J. @ 11:57

Where have you been? We are talking about Iraq photos. I have seen those picture on TV many times when the trials were being held for the people who actually carried out those activities. There was no plot to keep them from being shown. It was part of justice being delivered. We knew what had happened and did not need a hundred pictures to tell us.

Other investigations have been made any time there is doubt about the possibility that military regulations were broken. Don’t you even listen to the news? Watch TV? Don’t you know we have the best regulated military in the world with rules for human portection?

What have I done for this country? I support it for one thing. That seems to be something you forget to promote your politics.