Which GOP? Powell or Limbaugh?

 

No question, the long process has begun.  In journalistic short-hand, it’s being cast as this:  Should the Republican Party follow the path of Colin Powell or Rush Limbaugh? 

Former Vice President Dick Cheney weighed in Sunday.  Here’s the transcript of an exchange with Bob Schieffer, host of CBS’s “Face the Nation”: 

SCHIEFFER: Let’s talk quickly about your party, the Republican Party. A lot of controversy. Arlen Specter has left. He said there’s no room for moderates in the party anymore. You said last week the party should not moderate. But what are you going to do? I mean, you can purify the party to the point that it’s too small to ever get elected to anything. How do you broaden the appeal of your party, and yet do you think there’s a place for moderates?

CHENEY: Oh, sure. I think there is room for moderates in the Republican Party. I think partly it’s a semantic problem. I don’t think the party ought to move dramatically to the left, for example, in order to try to redefine its base.

We are what we are. We’re Republicans. We have certain things we believe in. And maintaining our loyalty and commitment to those principles is vital to our success.

I think there are some good efforts out there. Jeb Bush, I know, has been working on it. Eric Cantor , Mitt Romney, trying to find ways to appeal to a broader range of people. I don’t have any problem with that. I think that’s a good thing to do. But the suggestion our Democratic friends always make is somehow, you know, if you Republicans were just more like Democrats, you’d win elections. Well, I don’t buy that. I think we win elections when we have good solid conservative principles to run upon and base our policies on those principles.

SCHIEFFER: Colin Powell, Rush Limbaugh said the other day that the party would probably be better off if Colin Powell left and just became a Democrat. Colin Powell said Republicans would be better off if they didn’t have Rush Limbaugh out speaking for them. Where do you come down?

CHENEY: Well, if I had to choose in terms of being a Republican, I’d go with Rush Limbaugh, I think. I think my take on it was Colin had already left the party. I didn’t know he was still a Republican.

SCHIEFFER: So you think that he’s not a Republican?

CHENEY: I just noted he endorsed the Democratic candidate for president this time, Barack Obama . I assumed that that is some indication of his loyalty and his interest.

SCHIEFFER: And you said you would take Rush Limbaugh over Colin Powell.

CHENEY: I would.

Cheney is one of my heroes.  While it is certainly appropriate for former President George W.  Bush to remain silent on the actions of his successor, no matter how much the current occupant of the White House represents at home and abroad that evil preceded him, Cheney speaks his mind.  He stands his ground and speaks his truth.  When the team’s picked, Cheney’s the guy I want on mine.

The bulk of Schieffer’s interview with him concerned interrogation techniques and whether waterboarding had elicited timely and essential information that saved American lives.  Memos that attest to the value of the techniques exist, said Cheney.  Release them.

As to the Powell-Limbaugh sideshow, the fact is that the left would like to make Limbaugh the icon of the Republican Party. That is, they’d like to make him the face of the party until somebody extreme comes along who can share the burden.  A favorite tactic of the left is to take some figure that threatens them — a Limbaugh, for example — and try to pair it with somebody extreme and with some high-profile extremist act.   That’s tough with Limbaugh because he’s precise, nuanced and his audience knows his views.

Still, if it’s possible to present him as the leader of a band of backward-looking troglodytes growing more extreme as their band dwindles, the same purpose is served.  The fact is that conservative ideas stand on their own, with or without Limbaugh,  and while he has extraordinary ability to assemble an audience, he is not its leader.

Cheney is right about Colin Powell.  Powell did endorse Barack Obama and it is inconceivable that a Republican Party could survive embracing his vision for governing. If Obama’s approach is what you want for the Republican Party, there’s no reason for it to exist.

210 comments Add your comment

Will

May 11th, 2009
8:42 am

Mr. Wooten:

I believe the United States has become more vulnerable to a potential terrorist attack since the Cheney Doctrine of Torture as been put forth by other republicans.

I believe this Doctrine is providing great aide and comfort to our worst enemies as they use it to try to “prove” their cause to ignorant recruits. The claim of the Cheney Doctrine of saving lives based on intelligence received is more than suspect based on many factors, one being the validity of “intelligence” that led the United States into Irag in the first place.

Under the Cheney Doctrine, we ceded the moral high ground and proved that we can be no better than murderous terrorist thugs.

I suspect the republican nominee in 2012 will be no more likely to appear on the campaign trail with Vice-President Cheney than the 2008 nominee unless the radical “purists” of the party get their way. In that case, it won’t really matter as the republican nominee will win no more that the “Goldwater South”, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Kansas, Idaho, Utah and possibly one of the Dakotas.

We are the United States

We'llTakePowell

May 11th, 2009
8:45 am

Anyone who would chose Limbaugh over Powell has very low expectations in leadership for their party. When I pick a winning team, it will always consist of a variety of talent and eliminating Collin Powell from the team, because his views are not 100% in line with the current Republican agenda is setting up your team for continuous failure.
Baseball has a catcher, pitcher, first baseman, etc…. they all have different talents and can contribute to the success of the entire team. Wooten you are an old man and should know this by now. You can’t win the game if you only have a team of “pitchers”, trying to pitch the same old agenda.
However, I must admit that I would be very happy to have Collin Powell on my democratic team. We will take him with open arms, because he has the ability to think independently, hold real values and high moral standards. I knew it prior to him leaving the Bush administration and was happy when he decided to leave. I was ecstatic when he endorsed our current President Obama.

In my opinion, you losers can keep Limbaugh, Cheney, Steele, Romney, McCain, Palin, etc……

Mac

May 11th, 2009
8:49 am

It’s human nature to state absolutes about the future based on the present. About 99.9 percent of the time the absolutes are hooey, which is what you would expect hyperbolic predictions to be. I was guilty – saying Jeb Bush’s political future was killed by his brother. That may not be true. He could be a leader in a Republican Party that focuses more on government and less on right-wing social agendas.

I could again be part of a GOP that focuses on smaller government, fiscal restraint, lower taxes and the business of government, not nosing into people’s private lives. I like a party whose members believe that 99 percent of what an individual does is that person’s business.

Copyleft

May 11th, 2009
8:52 am

It’s entirely predictable: After every electoral loss, the far-right fringe of the GOP insists that “We only lost because we weren’t conservative ENOUGH! We need to return to our true conservative principles–purge the moderates! Only when the rabid fringe is satisfied with our ideological purity will we win elections again!”

And every time they follow this dubious advice, they lose even worse the next time around.

Therefore, my conclusion: Purge the moderates, GOP! Your continued losses in the name of reactionary “purity of principle” is the best possible thing for America.

Bo Chambliss LOBBYIST

May 11th, 2009
8:58 am

I would like to thank the AJC for the plug in Friday’s paper. My phone has been riging off the hook, everyone wants their $10,000,000.00 wellfare check. As they say life is good. If you want a $10,000,000.00 check just give me a call just remember that it’s Cash In Advance in the Lobbying business.

“Advanced lithium battery research/Alpharetta: Would provide funding to Excellatron Solid State LLC for scale-up and manufacturing of new batteries; $10 million; Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-GA”

Copyleft

May 11th, 2009
8:58 am

Here’s an odd comment: “no matter how much the current occupant of the White House represents at home and abroad that evil preceded him”

Is Wooten admitting that the Bush administration was EVIL? I never thought I’d see the day! Although I really don’t think that Obama is actually representing the evil Bushies all that much….

Reality Check

May 11th, 2009
9:03 am

Sooo Jim would rather have a real life drug addicted draft dodger on his team than a 30+ year military vet, former Joint cheif, that has completed commited his life to America. That in a nut shell is whats wrong with the Republicans…. You want a JUNKIE, and America needs more men a character like Colin Powell regardless of what his political ideas are, Powell is everthing this country embodies Rush is, well Rush…

20 %

May 11th, 2009
9:05 am

I like Rush and think Powell is a coward

Big Bucks GOP

May 11th, 2009
9:09 am

Three United States banks, apparently emboldened by the clean bills of
health they received under the federal stress tests, announced plans
Monday to pay down the government’s investments under the Troubled
Asset Relief Program by selling billions of dollars in new stock.

The announcements came from Capital One Financial, US Bancorp and BB&T
Corporation, each of which were found not to need additional capital
under the examinations of 19 large financial institutions, whose
results were made public last week.

US Bancorp said Monday it would sell $2.5 billion in stock and, “in
consultation with its banking regulators,” put the funds toward
repurchasing the government’s preferred shares and warrants.

Capital One said it planned to sell at least 56 million additional
shares, which would be worth more than $1.75 billion based on Friday’s
closing price, and use the money for a similar purpose.

BB&T said Monday that it plans to repay the government’s investments
under the TARP program with proceeds from a $1.5 billion common stock
offering and other funds. BB&T also said it cut its third-quarter
dividend.

Big Bucks GOP

May 11th, 2009
9:11 am

AT&T, the country’s second-biggest wireless phone company, agreed
Friday to pay $2.35 billion in cash to buy assets put up for auction by
Verizon Wireless. Separately, Verizon agreed to buy five wireless
service areas of Centennial Communications from AT&T for $240 million.

Big Bucks GOP

May 11th, 2009
9:11 am

Canadian-Austrian auto-parts maker Magna has asked Russian carmaker GAZ
to make a bid for a stake in General Motors’ German carmaker unit,
Opel, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has said

Big Bucks GOP

May 11th, 2009
9:12 am

Goldman Sachs director Stephen J. Friedman, who abruptly resigned as
chairman of the New York Federal Reserve Board last week, spoke about
the situation at Goldman’s annual meeting Friday.

So very weary.....

May 11th, 2009
9:14 am

SCHIEFFER: And you said you would take Rush Limbaugh over Colin Powell.

CHENEY: I would.

Exactly why I do not vote Republican anymore!

Big Bucks GOP

May 11th, 2009
9:15 am

Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group, Japan’s biggest bank, said Monday it
will swap $600 million of its preferred shares in Morgan Stanley for
common stock to keep its voting rights stake of the U.S. bank above 20
percent, The Associated Press reported.

Adittohead

May 11th, 2009
9:20 am

Without the CORE values of Conservativism…. there is no party…..Black man Powell went for the Bro Obama…..Pure & simple.

Adittohead

May 11th, 2009
9:23 am

Anyone who chooses POWELL over Limbaugh is being politically correct….If you can moderate your CORE Conservative Values…You are not a true Conservative.

deegee

May 11th, 2009
9:23 am

The George Bush/Dick Cheney show hasn’t changed dynamics. Bush had first billing but Cheney was always the star of the show. The events of the last couple of months should erase any doubts about who the sidekick in the White House was from 2000-2008. The American people spoke in November, 2008. We don’t trust the Republican party in its present form to lead us.

Big Bucks GOP

May 11th, 2009
9:23 am

The Managed Funds Association and the Coalition of Private Investment
Companies, the two biggest U.S. hedge-fund lobbying groups, were among
those invited to meet with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on
Friday to talk about financial regulation, The Wall Street Journal
reported

GayGrayGeek

May 11th, 2009
9:24 am

Jim, you’re just becoming more and more of a mendacious hack, the closer you get to your last day with the AJC. And, after all your misstatements and outright lies during last year’s election, that’s really saying something.

For example, the fact is that the left would like to make Limbaugh the icon of the Republican Party. “The Left” is not genuflecting in apology to Windbaugh every time they say some thing that displeases him. “The Left” is not insisting that the Republican’t’s “purify” themselves by purging all Non-True-Believers.

Limbaugh is your baby. He’s now the voice of the G.NO!.P., whether you like it or not. Screaming that “Water Is Dry! Ice Is Hot! Fire Is Cold!” is not going to change the single, immutable FACT that the pill-popping doughboy is your leader.

The Judge

May 11th, 2009
9:25 am

Dick “Dick” Cheney prefers a draft dodger like himself over a decorated military veteran.

And Wooten approves!

Why do these people hate America?

Just wondering?

May 11th, 2009
9:26 am

If Obama were not a man of color, would Powell have sided with him? Change we can believe in, our esteemed President has started a new trend by not supporting the National day of prayer. And what church has he joined since politics forced him to repudiate his former one? Christians need to rally against this guy. Huckabee in ‘12.

Big Bucks GOP

May 11th, 2009
9:26 am

Fannie Mae issued a grave warning about its future on Friday, saying it
needed $19 billion in additional government aid as job losses grew and
risky loans made in the housing boom went bad at an unnerving pace.

Ga Values

May 11th, 2009
9:32 am

Did you do this same column last week? getting lazy as a short timer.

Davo

May 11th, 2009
9:39 am

“Cheney is one of my heroes.”

Pathetic.

RetLTC

May 11th, 2009
9:47 am

Dick Cheney is the worst thing to happen to this republic maybe in its entire history. Every single failure of the Bush presidency can be traced directly to the OVP. Bigger cowards than Cheney are also hard to come by. As for being a stand up guy…ask Scooter Libby where Cheney is when the SHTF. George W. Bush would most likely have been a much more successful president minus Cheney. Cheney was a fatal mistake for the entire party. Deadeye Dick needs to just STFU and go away. He’s done enough damage to the GOP.

eagle scout

May 11th, 2009
9:54 am

Just wondering… Well wonder no more! Let me help you out Just Wondering because you don’t know what you’re talking about……………

” our esteemed President has started a new trend by not supporting the National day of prayer.”

Here for your edification is what he did do…..Obama recognized National Prayer Day with a paper proclamation, which is what presidents did routinely before Bush.

So tell me oh religious one how is this a new trend?

Steven Daedalus

May 11th, 2009
9:59 am

Jim please take your meds.

GOP is gone

May 11th, 2009
9:59 am

I for one will open my political arms to Gen. Colin Powell and any other sensible GOPers out there.

Cheney has proven himself to be unable to even consider the idea that he and the administration he served/ran could have made any errors or misjudgments. They invaded a sovereign nation with just down right bad intelligence causing the deaths of thousands and yet the American people are still supposed to trust their judgment? They let their Wall Street Big Business buddies ruin our financial system due to the lack of any real regulatory agency and we are supposed to continue to trust in them? And then there was Katrina… This party has become laughable. The Rush/Coulter non-entertaining mouths will be the death of your so call “party” Jim. RIP

Bill

May 11th, 2009
10:03 am

Gary Horlacher has hit upon an idea that every Democratic and Republican political candidate ought to applaud. Let every statewide candidate submit to a lie-detector test to prove he or she is morally ready for public service. OK, so I didn’t hear a single clap or cheer; it’s still a worthwhile notion.

If the state requires voters to prove their legitimacy with picture IDs and proofs of birth, why should it not also require candidates to prove their honesty and morality?

When Horlacher, an Atlanta attorney and Democratic campaign strategist, announced for secretary of state a couple of weeks ago, he also took a lie-detector exam. A certified polygraph operator grilled Gary. The operator said Gary passed the polygraph exam with “a score twice the minimum passing score,” which I assume means Gary was lying very little.

Gary also swore in an affidavit that he had told the truth in answer to several key questions that would make a contender for dogcatcher think twice about running.

If a Horlacher-like affidavit somehow became law and a requirement for holding office, the state Capitol suddenly might have three floors of vacant offices.

Horlacher, the only announced Democrat in the secretary of state race, says he’s taking polygraph tests and publishing affidavits to draw attention to the need for state government to adopt standards for high ethical and moral conduct – a noticeable deficiency in the past seven years. Horlacher is particularly critical of Karen Handel, the present secretary of state, who is running for governor as a Republican. He says she was too partisan and unfair in managing the state’s elections. Obviously, however, Horlacher has aimed his ethics spear mostly at the legislature and the governor’s office, though he does not name names.

Take a look at a sample of Horlacher’s certified truth-telling document, and then make a list of politicians you think could pass it.

In a declaration tailor-made for some of our legislative leaders, Horlacher swears:

“During my marriage of over 31 years to Teresa, I have never engaged in any type of sexual activity with another person.”

“I have never used any illegal drugs,” Horlacher vows in a second statement that would eliminate a battalion of potential officeholders and candidates.

Another politician-killing declaration: “I have never personally knowingly filed any incorrect ethics disclosure reports for lobbying or campaign efforts, (and) I have never knowingly filed a state or federal income tax form that contained false information or withheld income.”

Then the capper: “Throughout my career, both in the private sector and in public service, I have never engaged in any illegal or unethical activity, whether for quid-pro-quo payment to myself or others, or to further the interest of a client or business.”

I don’t know precisely what that last declaration means, except I would certainly run it past the governor’s office before asking the legislature to approve it.

One mean-spirited reporter noted that despite his goody-goody affidavit, Horlacher was arrested for DUI in 1999, a charge that caused him to resign his brief tenure as former Gov. Roy Barnes’ press secretary. The charge was reduced later to reckless driving, and Horlacher went on to aid Shirley Franklin in her 2001 election as Atlanta mayor.

Until recently, candidates had trouble gaining traction with anti-corruption platforms, and requirements for ethical conduct are certainly low-priority items in the Gold Dome.

Whether Horlacher can translate his good-behavior campaign into votes remains to be seen. Still, his gimmick beats sitting on a tower for days, as one candidate for the Senate tried without success last year. It also may make some corporate lobbyists think twice as they twist arms and hand out plain envelopes at the next session of the legislature.

Logical Dude

May 11th, 2009
10:11 am

Republicans overall are shrinking because of the select few talking points. Some have been around a while, and some are new:

Abortion: The nation has agreed that having abortion as safe, legal, and rare is a better option than making it a criminal act. Republicans keep up the religious right by continually going against the moderates in the country.

Stem cell research: Even many conservatives stress the importance of stem cell research, but the “core” republicans still are against it. This issue will resolve the same way blood transfusion, organ transplantation, and in vitro fertilization. It will be seen as a no-brainer in the future and they will wonder why there was any resistance to it.

Torture: The MAIN reason McCain was voted in the Republican primary is because he came out against torture in the strongest way. The problem now is the rest of the republicans to come to their senses.

I feel that if Clinton has supported torture after 9/11, then the republicans would have been strongly against it. But if someone in their own party suppported it, they better tow the party line – OR ELSE.

And that is why Republicans are losing. . . they don’t see the nation except as pure red or pure blue. There is a lot of in-betweens that can be swayed, but the issues above keep them from being as red.

Redneck Convert

May 11th, 2009
10:11 am

Well, far as I’m concerned even old Rush is a little too Moderate. I’d vote for a real Conservative that was for

1. Moving the Southern Baptist Convention right into the Oval Office.
2. Throwing all women that have abortions in jail for murder. And the Drs. that do them too.
3. Using the Death Penalty for everything but shoplifting.
4. Deporting all the illegals and make them pay the cost of it. Unless a godly Conservative needed a few of them in Free Innerprize.
5. Getting rid of most judges. If a person gets arrested, well, that’s proof enough they done it.
6. Making all Congress people just serve one term. We can think about it again when enough Conservatives get elected.
7. Getting rid of these Equal Rights laws.
8. Making everybody serve a hitch in the army.
9. Getting rid of public schools. Most of our problems get started by people getting too much education for our own good. It’s just not right to make a kid go to school from the time he’s 6 till he’s 16 when the kid could be learning something useful out in the real world.

I’ll be signing on to support the first person that comes out with this platform. Till then, I reckon old Rush is the only game in town.

Peter

May 11th, 2009
10:15 am

Is this the same Republican party who put Benedict Arnold of Connecticut up on the stage at the Republican Convention ? Joe Lieberman ………

Remember Cheney Mentioned the Iran Contra Scandal lately……what did he say…… the little guys got caught holding the bag …… He is so Proud of lying to the American People, and doing things “ABOVE” the law !

You embrace Rush …….HA HA HA……… Did he get all the drugs ? Purple Kool-aid from Jim !

eagle scout

May 11th, 2009
10:28 am

Jim … Have you totally lost it?

“When the team’s picked, Cheney’s the guy I want on mine.”

For your sake Jim I hope that team is not issued shotguns! Cheney might mistake you for a wingless bird.

DebbieDoRight

May 11th, 2009
10:34 am

Notice how cheney is talking again now that the fear of him being prosecuted for war crimes is off the table? Chickenhawk till the end. Shoot em in the face Dick — making friends and casulaties everywhere he goes!!!

Oh and Dim Jim — liked your mother’s day piece yesterday…..to bad your dementia kicked back in and you came up with this drivel today. Oh well, don’t forget your medication.

jt

May 11th, 2009
10:40 am

When it comes to fleecing taxpayers, the R&D party of Powel, Limbaugh, Cheney, and Obama are expert.
The people that fall for this charade never LEARN anything, and they FORGET the same.

El Jefe

May 11th, 2009
10:43 am

Logical Dude,

You are echoing liberal talking points.

Medical procedures have no place in Federal law. States, those who license the Doctors should be regulating that.

Stem Cell, he conservatives only worry about who is funding it.

Torture, it is the definition that troubles some, anything worse than boot camp in my book is torture.

Boot camp didn’t kill anyone either.

Regarding the Republican party, we tried going to the middle with McCain, we lost. We tried to out spend the democrats, we lost – I say we need to be more conservative and go back to the core values that made this country great. Individuality, personal responsibility and a much smaller government.

We should take a long hard look at the Constitution and reconside where we are going.

DebbieDoRight

May 11th, 2009
10:50 am

WATERBOARD Cheney!!! And don’t let his friends do it — let the guy he shot in the face do it!! Now THAT’s justice!!!

jt

May 11th, 2009
10:52 am

“Still, if it’s possible to present him as the leader of a band of backward-looking troglodytes growing more extreme as their band dwindles, the same purpose is served.”

Kinda like the war on fatherhood.

Disgusted

May 11th, 2009
10:53 am

“Boot camp didn’t kill anyone either.”

Try telling that to the relatives of the six recruits who were marched into Ribbon Creek on Parris Island on Sunday night, April 8, 1956 and drowned.

El Jefe

May 11th, 2009
11:04 am

Disgusted, wow, you went that far back? Did you not remember that Nazi Germany used torture and people died their too.

Waterboarding save lives and killed no one. I survived boot camp, at the MCRD in 1967, could you put up with it? Or are you just blathering in the wind?

BTW, boot camp today is much nicer, listening to my son talk about parris island today, it is much easier.

But then again, that is something you liberal do not understand. A situation presents itself and a solution is implemented, all without news articles, talking points, talking heads on TV all saying the same thing.

Walk up. If waterboarding is torture, then puking your guts out is even worse. Define your terms, then we might be able to hold a decent conversation. Personally, if it causes phyical damage, then it might be torture.

DebbieDoRight

May 11th, 2009
11:07 am

Rush Limbaugh Was The OTHER hijacker on 9/11!!

“You’ve had your fair share of critics. … Rush Limbaugh said this administration fails. … He just wants the country to fail. To me that’s treason. He’s not saying anything different than what Osama Bin Laden is saying. You might want to look into this, sir, because I think Rush Limbaugh was the 20th hijacker but he was just so strung out on Oxycontin he missed his flight. … Rush Limbaugh, I hope the country fails, I hope his kidneys fail, how about that? He needs a good waterboarding, that’s what he needs.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22332.html

Shar

May 11th, 2009
11:08 am

Mr. Wooten, I cannot even follow your logic today. You lost me at, “Cheney is one of my heroes.” This man is reviled by the vast majority of Americans. He lied, cheated, bullied and stole during his time in office. He undercut the Constitution, putting himself above the law and all Americans except the most useful to him were expendable, from CIA operatives to every resident of New Orleans. He does not even attempt to explain or support his performance in office, does not address at all the effects of the policies that he masterminded, but talks in insubstantial generalizations like “We are what we are” or “we have good solid conservative principles to run upon”.

There is a track record to run upon, Cheney is more responsible for it than even Bush, and it is uniformly horrible. And what are Republicans? The brand is tarnished, the leadership in disarray and the rank and file fleeing. Cheney ignores this and his culpability for it. Instead, he derides a man who has the respect of most Americans for both his service and his intelligence, instead supporting an entertainer who has neither.

“We are what we are” – just now, what Republicans are is the party of opposition. It is a crucial function in our political process, and the party is too weak and too riven to perform it ably or even honorably. For the good of the nation, we need a strong set of competing ideas and perspectives. What we have is a bitter, frustrated core group that refuses to deal with the reality of the Bush/Cheney track record and the distaste of most Americans for their brand of authoritarian moralism and elitist fiscal policies.

The Rovian electoral strategies have forced the Republican Party into the death grip of social extremists, the rock-ribbed religious and financiers. It is these factions who are insisting on ignoring the realities of the American electorate as well as the failures of thier unbridled eight years under Bush/Cheney, who are making the party hostile to anyone who disagrees with the “conservative ideas” they cannot even articulate. If the Republican Party is to regroup successfully, it must appeal to people who admire the qualities exhibited by a Colin Powell – thoughtful, patriotic, intelligent and experienced – rather than throwing them over the side as they dance before the golden calf of shrill, divisive show business hacks.

If the Republicans cannot do this, the segment of the Democratic Party that is uncomfortable with the social liberalism represented by Nancy Pelosi and that fears the effects of the spendathon currently in progress will gel as a moderate-right opposition group, effectively taking the place of a Republican Party that voters can support in sufficient numbers to win elections.

If that is your goal, Mr. Wooten, you are following the right path in preferring a mean-spirited, hypocritical, under-educated hypocrite to a decorated, experienced, smart, respected patriot on the say-so of the most destructive, distrusted vice president we have ever endured. Your history of sharp partisanship, however, would seem to argue that you would prefer the Republican Party to regain power as soon as possible. Hence my utter confusion in your logic.

DB, Gwinnettian

May 11th, 2009
11:10 am

Bill, your proposal @ 10.03 would guarantee nothing but a much higher percentage of really good liars, and outright delusionals, in elected office, I think.

Get Real

May 11th, 2009
11:13 am

“Cheney is one of my heroes.” And there in lies your problems, and that of the GOP Wooten. You would rather be on the side of a chickenhawk who likes to talk about war and defending the nation, while getting numerous deferments when his time came up to go do Vietnam. Didn’t you serve Wooten? I’d think that you would have more respect for someone that spent 30+ years in the service, and was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff when we actually ‘won’ the first Gulf War. Your ‘hero’ has been wrong about every prediction he has ever made, yet you still follow him around like a envious little brother. “We’d be greeted as liberators.” “I’m sure Iraq has WMDs.” “So.” “The war will pay for itself.” By saying that he’s you’re hero, that says a lot about your delusional character, especially since 9/11 happened on the watch of Bush and Cheney. How safe did they actually keep the country? Or are you still blaming this on Clinton?

As for Limpb*lls, he’s a ‘former’ drug addict and if you hold him in high esteem as a leader of your party, then go ahead. Might as well throw Larry Craig and David Vitter on that list of leaders too then. You need a loooong vacation Wooten.

Billy Bob

May 11th, 2009
11:17 am

Urgent request: Please, please, please keep Pelosi as Speaker for the Demotard controlled House…please

WASHINGTON (CNN) — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who has denied she was ever told explicitly that waterboarding had been used on terrorist suspects, “has a lot of explaining to do,” former Speaker Newt Gingrich said Sunday.

Gingrich, who held the House post from 1995 to 1999, said Pelosi keeps changing her statements on how much she knew about the practice and when.

In the interest of national security, “she [Pelosi] has a responsibility to say nothing or tell the truth,” he told “Fox News Sunday.” “In this case, it’s clear she wasn’t telling the truth.”

A CIA memo provided to CNN by Republican sources lists 40 briefings for members of Congress from September 2002 to March 2009.

The first briefing — on September 4, 2002 — was for then-House Intelligence Committee Chairman Porter Goss and Pelosi, then the ranking Democrat on the committee.

The subject of the briefing is listed as “EITs,” or enhanced interrogation techniques, “including use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah,” a suspected al Qaeda leader imprisoned at U.S. facilities in Guantanamo Bay.

One of those techniques is waterboarding, which simulates drowning and which has been described by critics as torture.

Initially, Pelosi said she had not been briefed on EITs, according to the memo provided to CNN by Republican sources

RetLTC

May 11th, 2009
11:18 am

20% won’t win many elections. It is becoming apparent that the far right really doesn’t care anymore. It is all about the ideology. Oh well. They can all gather around the black, smoking hole that has become the GOP and congratulate themselves on their purity.

Billy Bob

May 11th, 2009
11:29 am

Jim, you might want to forward the above CNN article to Cynthia Tucker. Her pre-pubescent weekend editorial on torture was so laden with libtard emotion that the excessive tears caused thereby could be reliably classified as “self-waterboarding.”

Let the Congressional hearings commence…

Elephant Whip

May 11th, 2009
11:34 am

“Cheney is one of my heroes.” Jim’s credibility is now below zero. His hero is a long-time bureaucrat, non-veteran fascist who leveraged an illegal war to siphon taxpayers’ money into his military-industrial interests through no-bid, cost-plus government contracts, causing the loss of thousands of American lives, thousands of civilian deaths, and even more atrocious injuries to those groups.

Who else is your hero, Jim?

Billy Bob

May 11th, 2009
11:38 am

MEMO

To: Libtards needing a remedial math class
From: Forty-seven percent of the voting population in America

We voted for a Republican in the last presidential election.

GayGrayGeek

May 11th, 2009
11:43 am

MEMO

To: Sore Loser WingNuts
From: The Majority of Americans

You voted for the loser in the last presidential election. Get. Over. It.