Roads are less sexy … and still unloved

Thinking Right’s weekend free-for-all. Pick a topic:

  • The economy’s hit bare bottom. Another beside-the-freeway restaurant advertising “We Bare All” closes. Lack of business. This one was on I-95 at Darien. Last year, one on I-85 at Lavonia was bought and closed by city officials, who held a bonfire in the parking lot with the Cafe Risqué signs. In both cases, officials thought they were snookered into issuing business licenses. Don’t know about truckers, but the risk I want to take when dining on the highway is that I’m seeing too much fatback in the pole beans, not a bare back toting them.
  • Little did I expect that I’d live long enough to find those who use cloth diapers described as “smart, eco-responsible parents” who “make the world a better, safer place.” The Earth Day will come where we realize the real environmentalists and conservationists were those thrifty waste-not, want-not ancestors who were responsible stewards of their space because it would pass to their descendants.
  • Terrell Starr, who died Sunday, was a good ’un. Gave politics a good name. One of the smartest things Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle did after he was elected was to surround himself with advisers with good sense. I’d put Starr, a 38-year state senator from Clayton County, at the top of that list.
  • America was a rotten place before President Obama came along. Ask him. Not here. When he’s abroad.
  • Asking those connected with the Georgia Budget and Policy Institute, a group that thinks Georgia spends too little on social programs, whether the state can “afford” any tax break is like asking Libertarians whether we’re undertaxed and under-regulated. Why bother? We know the answer.
  • Headline: “Neighbors lukewarm about new expressway.” Neighbors are always lukewarm or downright opposed to anything that alters the status quo — one reason to put in roads and infrastructure before they get there in numbers.
  • Said more in exasperation than condemnation: Dang, can’t Grady ever get its act together? It’s paid a consultant $785,000 since July 2007, at $1,600 a day .
  • Grady, meanwhile, once again identifies a solution to its problems is to charge those from counties other than Fulton and DeKalb for non-emergency care. Do. Please. But the collections are likely to be less than the PR value of the claim that other counties are dumping their poor. Georgia Hospital Association analysis two years ago found that indigent and charity patients from Cobb, Gwinnett and Clayton account for less than 1 percent of Grady admissions.
  • Dunwoody demonstrates why earmarked taxes are a bad idea. It has a 5 percent hotel-motel tax. Dunwoody keeps 3, but is required to spend the remaining 2 on tourism-related activities. Not being a tourist destination, Dunwoody funds a low-priority service — at the expense, surely, of something that matters. Never earmark public money.
  • My band of right-wingers wants President Obama to hire former UGA basketball player Tony Cole in 2012. Cole demonstrated again in Chicago what he’d demonstrated in Athens: He’ll get the boss fired. In Chicago, where he worked a patronage job, his former boss, the county’s chief financial officer, was asked to resign after it was revealed that she’d twice bailed him out of jail for violating protective orders involving an ex-girlfriend he’d punched in the face. At UGA, he got the head basketball coach and his assistant-coach son gone.
  • I’m a 100 percenter with U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson on a new federal spending program for high-speed rail. “Projected ridership and fares have to be able to carry the costs of operation.” Love the idea, though, if as he says, it’s “operated privately and without subsidies.”

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gt7348b

April 23rd, 2009
9:33 pm

“Never earmark public money” – Really, does this mean we can spend the gas tax on commuter rail now? Or health care?

roadie

April 23rd, 2009
9:33 pm

DOes Isakson believe that highways should be operated privately and without subsidies. They do not now come even close. The gasoline tax pays for less than half of the government spending on highways and the rest comes out of the general fund. Even toll roads don’t make it. I don’t disagree with Isakson but I think he should be consistent. The situation with airports is as bad as the roads.

jt

April 23rd, 2009
9:35 pm

If there was a chance of a photo op with Edward Kennedy, Isackson would lay the track with his tongue.

jt

April 23rd, 2009
9:36 pm

Why can’t he get some VOLUNTEERS to lay the track. He just spent 6 BILLION on them.

JT

April 23rd, 2009
9:38 pm

Spoken like a true right-wing hypocrite… the status quo is just fine when it comes to thinks like denying people equal rights because it goes against your fundamental upbringing and long held beliefs (a.k.a. status quo)… but when your type wants to make a change… it’s always “for the better.”

“Headline: “Neighbors lukewarm about new expressway.” Neighbors are always lukewarm or downright opposed to anything that alters the status quo”

neo-Carlinist

April 23rd, 2009
10:49 pm

you had me (somewhat) until you blamed some dim-witted jock for the demise of a couple of secod rate pimps who sold the kid a “hoop dream”. that’s not to say kids don’t make choices, but when a kid makes a bad choice, he has the rest of his life to recover – or not. Harrick and his clown son are sleeping in the bed they made – and they got a “buy out”. you might know politics, but you don’t know college sports.

Wooten is Still Mailing it in

April 23rd, 2009
10:51 pm

Lets put that expressway in Wooten’s neighborhood out in Cobb. Face it Wooten, your time is up and these last three months have been horrible for you, with having serious difficulty making crap up. You don’t want to use public money for rail, but you’d use it to maintain our roads just for some corporation to come swoop in and privatize 285. When this happens, will the gas tax go down? Building more roads isn’t the answer, but if you’re open to having 8 lanes running through your backyard I’m all for it.

Davo

April 23rd, 2009
11:28 pm

How about this JW… Instead of opening a casino in Underground, we let Cafe Risque and We Bare All re-apply their business license as state operated brothels? Sin tax…can’t beat that! And your just profiting from what really is going on anyway.

See what you can do to get the state GOP on this JW…this will get some votes.

Republitards are irrelevant

April 24th, 2009
2:06 am

Impeach Bubbah Bybee–say buh buh to Bybee.

Republitards are irrelevant

April 24th, 2009
2:07 am

How about we bring in Hooker Vitter to run the brothels with retired JW? Give the Republitards the jobs for which they are qualified.

Republitards are irrelevant

April 24th, 2009
2:07 am

I like Dimwit Handel as Madam.

Republitards are irrelevant

April 24th, 2009
2:57 am

The DOJ scum now members of theStevens Six have hired very high priced lawyuhs and n’congratulations ’cause you are gettin’ out your wallets and payin’ for them lawyuhs.

Gold Bars Luskin fat little Rove’s lawyuh is one of ‘em.

From Mucky Mucky Republitards are always Muckers:

Nicholas Marsh, one of the public integrity prosecutors, has hired Karl Rove’s lawyer, Robert Luskin, of Patton Boggs.

Joseph Bottini, one of the Alaska-based assistant US Attorneys, has teamed up with Kenneth Wainstein, a partner at O’Melveny & Myers, who is a former U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, and most recently served as a homeland security adviser to President Bush. Wainstein is said by Legal Times to have “close ties” to Mary Patrice Brown, the new head of DOJ’s Office of Professional Responsibility, which is also probing the conduct of the Stevens Six.

William Welch, who heads the Public Integrity section, has hired William Taylor III, a partner with Zuckerman Spaeder. Taylor successfully defended the former president of the Salt Lake City Olympic Committee against federal bribery charges.

Welch’s deputy, Brenda Morris, who was the chief prosecutor on the Stevens trial, has been talking to Hogan & Hartson’s Chuck Rosenberg, who last year stepped down as served as chief of staff to Deputy Attorney General (and whistle-blower) James Comey, counselor to Attorney General John Ashcroft, and counsel to FBI Director Bob Mueller.

The two remaining members of the Stevens Six — Public Integrity prosecutor Edward Sullivan, and assistant US Attorney James Goeke — are also said by Legal Times sources to have been in discussions with “prominent Washington attorneys”.

Ga Values

April 24th, 2009
6:55 am

U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson voted for TARP & refuses to sign the no earmard pledge. Georgia deserves a Conservative senator not a socialist like Johnny.

Ga Values

April 24th, 2009
6:57 am

that’s the no earmark pledge.. but we still need a conservative senator. Johnny needs to resign.

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
8:31 am

Railroads. The Union Bank of Switzerland stands ready to provide ample financing for high speed rail projects in the populated regions of the U.S.A., provided that the rail systems are not operated by AMTRAK. UBS has spawned popular, profitable HSR systems in several countries, and I bet they could do it here, if given access to the right corridors.

An irksome fact about high speed rail. Many of its constituent technologies were developed in the United States, usually at federal expense. Yet it’s other countries than ours which see the benefits of ultra-modern rail derived from American ingenuity.

In fairness to AMTRAK, they are obstructed and retarded by their dependency on roadbeds owned by freight companies. AMTRAK’s basic problem is that it is and always has been half-arsed. In most cases they have to rely on easements, and get shunted whenever the rails are required by freight. It makes their trips fitfull, slow, and unpopular. In corridors built anew by public-private partnerships in which AMTRAK cooperates, AMTRAK has performed well. The point is that HSR (especially maglev) is by definition based on a dedicated line.

As Atlanta is largely the product of a grand confluence in the 19th Century of the Southeast’s five greatest rail lines, it would be wonderful to see Georgia play a role in establishing HSP in the U.S. Imagine the Crescent running at 200-300 mph from the Big Easy through Atlanta to DC. Wow!

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
8:43 am

No county is an island unto itself. Cobb will be the last to get this news.

retiredds

April 24th, 2009
8:54 am

Jim, Regarding your comment about Obama saying “America was a rotten place…..”. My work consists of helping people resolve conflict and leading toward healing. Here are the steps of the program (borrowed from a pre-marital program I use).

1. Set a time and a place for discussion of the conflict.
2. Identify the conflict(s).
3. Prioritize the issues and only tackle one at a time.
4. STATE HOW I CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONFLICT.
5. Explore and throw out past methods and solutions that haven’t worked.
6. Explore new options that might work.
7. Pick one and try it. If, after a short time, the solution is not working, try another, or combination until you find the best solution.
8. Periodically review your progress.
9. When the conflict is resolved to your MUTUAL satisfaction, celebrate.

If the persons are truly committed to resolving the conflict this works 100% of the time. Jim, this process works primarily because of # 3, my taking responsibility for how I contribute to the conflict. All failures to resolve conflict are rooted in the “blame game”, “God is on my side”, “your just a (put your own word here, usually derogatory or demeaning), “your evil (remember the Axis of Evil stuff), implying that I am good, etc., etc. Resolution eventually comes through hard work and commitment BY BOTH PARTIES to the notion that I am part of the conflict not just an innocent bystander. Jim, this is true for groups, political parties, states and nations. If you don’t take responsibility for your part of the conflict, there is no resolution, period.

If our leaders, in this case Obama, take that responsibility seriously, it might look like weakness on the surface. If the other party doesn’t take the process seriously then he/she/they must accept the burden for the failure of the process.

While you and other conservative persons may not like the fact that many of our leaders are saying to the world that the U.S. hasn’t behaved responsibly in many areas the last several years, the fact of the matter is our global standing is improving. People can once again connect the dots between what we say as a nation and how we behave.

Dusty

April 24th, 2009
8:55 am

OK, libs, you have now called names, insulted the GOP and Jim, vented all your DNC propaganda (except Churchill’s Mom and Saxby complainers who have not posted yet), and shown your ignorance in general. Could we get to one of the subjects put here for debate?

Boys and girls, be nice and say something sensible. Thank you!

Hey, I must get busy and go down to Grady to apply for a new job. $1600 a day? I could manage just fine on that if I skimp a bit..Yes!!

Diogenes

April 24th, 2009
8:59 am

Good morning, Jim,

I think Mr Obama’s election attests to the fact that “America was a rotten place before President Obama came along.” We’d all gotten fed up with a President who condoned torture, invaded sovereign countries on a whim, failed to aggressively protect the environment or combat global warming, failed to get adequate gun controls enacted, sought tax cuts for the wealthy, and so on down the long list of damages he wrecked upon American ideals and values. Bush proved uncontestably just how rotten power without principle can be.

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
9:06 am

@retiredds,

Do you actually believe, in a post-9/11 world, that your good work informs America’s relations with nations and factions bent on encompassing our undoing?

Dusty

April 24th, 2009
9:10 am

retiredds

Send your program to Obama. He has not connected the dots as well as you seem to think. A few handshakes and bows mean nothing. I can’t think of anything that has changed in foreign relations since Obama took office except freeing Americans to send more money to Cuba. I do see countries still calling on the USA for help just like they did with Bush.

You ignore all the Bush accomplishments which is symptomatic of a liberal. How can you ignore a protected America and two nations free to become even better with freedom included? Perhaps you should add an opthamologist to your program list so you can see better.

Tom

April 24th, 2009
9:16 am

Dusty is exactly right: all glory to GWB for making Iraq free. In Iraq these days, women are free to wear the veil. Christians are free to be persecuted again. Children are free to be blown up in the street on their way to school. Iran is free to dictate Iraqi national policy. Ah, sweet freedom!

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
9:19 am

I suspect that yours is a tough sell in Bagdad, Tom. Perhaps you’ll be the last to proclaim the failure of the Surge. Enjoy that distinction, then, while ye may.

Dusty

April 24th, 2009
9:22 am

Diogenes,

You don’t think much of freedom, do you? Bush was determined to keep it for us and he did. That freedom includes you, whether you appreciate it or not.

Churchill's MOM

April 24th, 2009
9:31 am

Have you been laid off?

**************PALIN MCCAIN 2012*******************

Dusty

April 24th, 2009
9:31 am

Tom,

You don’t appreciate freedom either, do you? We gave countries the chance to perfect their society, not subjugated by dictators and religious extremists. You don’t see the difference, do you? Hate makes you blind.

Bush was never glorified. That description seems more apt for swooning Obama supporters who brought him success when he had neither experience nor expertise.

Big Bucks GOP

April 24th, 2009
9:32 am

Fiat is considering an acquisition of General Motors’ Opel division in
Europe, and has discussed a potential deal with government negotiators
in Washington, executives at G.M. and representatives of the German
government,

Big Bucks GOP

April 24th, 2009
9:34 am

The New York Times Company Chairman Arthur Sulzberger Jr. reiterated
Thursday that the media will remain publicly traded, despite “brutal”
conditions that threaten the survival of newspapers.

Big Bucks GOP

April 24th, 2009
9:36 am

Nomura Holdings, the Japanese brokerage that bought pieces of Lehman
Brothers last year, on Friday posted the biggest annual loss in its
history, casting a pall over what was a bold and risky bid to build up
a world franchise.

Big Bucks GOP

April 24th, 2009
9:37 am

Fifth Third Bancorp says it posted a loss in the first quarter
including preferred dividends, as rising losses on commercial loans
hurt the large Midwest regional bank.

Tom

April 24th, 2009
9:39 am

Poultry, I know that facts don’t make any difference to right-wing wackaloons, but the BBC and NHK (Japan’s national TV network) conducted a poll of Iraqis in March and here’s what they found:

“Most Iraqis agree that things are going better there. At the same time, they seem to hate and distrust the U.S. more than ever.

Last year, 70% of Iraqis in the same survey said the American forces were doing a bad job there. This year that dropped all the way to …69%. And that includes the always more favorable views of the Kurds.

That means 90% of Sunnis are negative (remember, they are supposed to be “awakening” towards us), and two out of three Shiites — largely unchanged from 2008.

Nearly as many (64%) say the U.S. is hurting Iraq as Iran (68%). But the views of nearly every other country have improved quite a bit, including Saudi Arabia, Syria and the UK.

But here’s the key finding and the rejoinder to the constant call for war critics (and Obama) to admit that it was, despite everything, correct to topple Saddam: 56% now say the U.S. was wrong to invade, actually up (despite the cooling of violence) since last year’s 50%.”

But of course, under as under Dusty’s super-Freedom (TM), you’re free to continue living in your little Fantasyland.

Elephant Whip

April 24th, 2009
9:44 am

Re: Earmarked Taxes are a Bad Idea

The comment on earmarks reveals the Georgia Legislature’s technique for ‘cutting taxes.’ A truly conservative position would suggest cutting the tax altogether. But the position taken is ‘cut its ears off.’ That way, taxes collected for a specific purpose can be pulled into the general fund and allocated to make up for underfunding of other government projects due to ‘tax cuts.’ In other words, they just take your money out of your wallet rather than your paycheck.

Why don’t all you anti-tax people realize that, if you want the protections and support of goverment, you must pay for it. Sometimes taxes have to go up.

retiredds

April 24th, 2009
9:58 am

Dusty, looks like I struck a nerve with you. Glad to be obliging.

"Charles", The Original

April 24th, 2009
10:00 am

“America was a rotten place before President Obama came along. Ask him. Not here. When he’s abroad”.

Please don’t get it twisted President Obama. It’s not America that’s rotten. Take a critical look at Americans; specifically the so-called African American integrationist Negro leadership and their Negro minions. That combination infects the masses of Negroes and sometimes other people with an offensive putrefied odor. It causes the typical person to think that America has been and is a rotten place.

Here’s the thing. Any time you have a group of people, so-called educated integrationist Negroes and their enforcers, who’ve been begging Europeans for centuries to feed, clothe, shelter, educate, employ, and indoctrinate the black masses, there will always be the smell of decay coming out of America. And if you’re not endowed with the armor of God, demons can easily influence many people to get it twisted over here and over there like President Obama.

Steven Daedalus

April 24th, 2009
10:03 am

Wouldn’t be great to see Bush, Cheney, Rove and Rice walking around in orange jumpsuits.

Big Bucks GOP

April 24th, 2009
10:06 am

Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said on Thursday he was considering
forming a financial fraud task force and advocated a “more
comprehensive” view of the causes behind the U.S. economic crisis.

Jake

April 24th, 2009
10:18 am

The consultant at Grady is a steal of a deal who has collected more than she’s paid. My lawyer bills $200 an hour too and he’s worthless!

Sam

April 24th, 2009
10:18 am

Too bad Tony Cole wasn’t your employee years ago Jim.

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
10:18 am

That’s very presumptuous of you, Tom, to take me for a “right-wing whackaloon” living in a “little Fantasyland.”

At the end of our Civil War, Georgians generally hated Tecumseh Sherman. After the war, when he served as Governor of this military district, he became the toast of Atlanta, as Georgia’s high society came to trust his earnest interest in the thoughtful reconstruction of the South. Similarly, at the close of WWII the Japanese hated Gen. MacArthur. Later, it was a different story.

Our methods are harsh and violent, but less harsh and less violent than the methods favored by those we oppose. And while their vision is dark, ours is not. As Dusty points out, their aim is subjugation to tyranny, the status quo ante in Iraq and Afghanistan, whereas our aims are safety, stability, democratization. Are these not considerable differences?

When I read your characterization of today’s Iraq as a land where “women are free to wear the veil…Christians are free to be persecuted…Children are free to be blown up in the street on their way to school…Iran is free to dictate Iraqi national policy”, I wonder whether you see a distinction between Liberty and Freedom. As others do, I distinguish the two this way: Liberty as the absence of tyranny, Freedom as a positive agency; that is, we are liberated from something, while we are free to do something. In Iraq the U.S. did serve, if somewhat self-servingly, as Liberator. But freedom will have to come to Iraq via the Iraqis themselves.

Finally, two points of dispute. Iran most decidedly is no longer free to dictate Iraqi policy, and neither is Saddam Hussein any longer free to do so. And as for schoolchildren, and veils, consider the American-made deliverance of schoolgirls in Afghanistan. It is very real.

Were I to take up residence in the Magic Kingdom, I should prefer Tomorrowland, thank you.

@@

April 24th, 2009
10:27 am

Pole beans deflated by the wayside? And yet “The Pink Pony” is still sitting pretty off I-85 in Clayton County due to a Grandfather Claus, Jim.

Disposable diapers down the dust bowl. Before we know it, the environmentalists will be requiring us to SAVE THE POO…..IT’S GOOD FOR YOU! I’ll get behind the green weinies on this one. Let them take the first step in humanure.

Eeewwwww…

RIP Senator Starr. He was a good man, Jim. A quiet professional whose only interest was in serving the citizens of Clayton County.

President Obama is naive in his perceptions. He lends his voice to those who would seek to jail their opposition. Hellooooo Hugo!

As long as votes reside in social programs, politicians will seek to exploit them for personal gain.

Putting in roads and infrastructure before they get there would, at least, allow the prospectives to know what they’re buying into. On the other hand, it would encourage urban sprawl, not the smart-growth liberals seek.

Say it ain’t so, Jim…..Grady persists in waste? What Grady’s administrators refuse to accept is that many moved to get away from “their services”, not exacerbate ‘em.

Dunwoody’s earmarked taxes best exemplifies how to feed the political pieholes.

Don’t know this Tony Cole, Jim.

Government subsidies are a high-speed rail to nowhere. Future destination unknown…just promised. Too many among us cling to the promises.

@@

April 24th, 2009
10:37 am

Day after day I come in here to see liberals determining who it is that should be without a job.

That’s a scary thought, to be sure.

Just routing out the liberal netrooters with a roto…

Daedalus

April 24th, 2009
10:50 am

So Jim says that neighborhood opposition to new roads is “one reason to put in roads and infrastructure before they get there in numbers.”

So lets look at this. Since building roads where people actually live causes opposition from nearby residents — we should only build roads were people don’t live and then, when they move there, they will have roads.

Well Jim GDOT has been doing that for years. They take tax dollars from metro Atlanta and build 4 lane highways in South Georgia that are always empty –why? Because there was no demand for the roads in the first place and people aren’t going to move there simply because there is a 4 lane road.

I thought ‘conservatives’ cared about wasting money. Well. Four-lane roads to nowhere are a huge waste of money and were not needed when they were built and are still not needed. But they sure benefit the wealthy who own the land nearby and the companies that do the work.

To create growth there has to be jobs, schools, universities and infrastructure. And for the millionth time –infrastructure is paid for by taxes. Roads, transit, the airport — all built with taxes and fees.

Republicans (at least the Southern variety) will never be able to create a great, livable cities, because they refuse to make the link between investing in infrastructure and increased growth and tax revenue.

Atlanta Mayors Hartsfield, Ivan Allen and Sam Massell saw that to create a vibrant city Atlanta needed to invest in the airport, MARTA and other infrastructure. If they had been Republicans we would have had none of that. We’d be like Birmingham, a hellish place with lousy traffic and no culture and no high paying jobs. Sounds like a GOP Paradise.

Jackie

April 24th, 2009
10:53 am

@Charles

You have to get up early to think of the load of crap you post.

Billy Bob the anti-THUG

April 24th, 2009
11:00 am

Tom,

You’ve identified a fundamental difference in what drives conservative and libtard policy: Conservatives view principle as a reference point for action. Saddam’s and Iraq’s failure to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors, his willingness to use chemical and, potentially, other WMD’s and Iraq’s willingness to invade neighboring countries left the Bush Administration with a clear decision in light of 9/11. That principle involved the right of this country to defend itself against an uncooperative agressor regime.

The Bush Administration didn’t worry that the Iraqis wouldn’t invite them to high tea afterwards. That would have been a libtard principle.

GayGrayGeek

April 24th, 2009
11:10 am

DustBuster @ 9:31: Bush was never glorified.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I’ll bet your next claim will be that Clinton was never impeached…

findog

April 24th, 2009
11:37 am

Jim,
Please pardon my lack of specific knowledge when it comes to the neighbor does not want a highway but I’ll use Sugar Hill as an example. They supported candidate Perdue to kill the northern arc that would slice through their town. Thing is they are named for a moonshine legend that was using an established path. They built around the path established by indigenous people before whitey showed up and now that they have easy access from the north, south, and east want to block traffic heading west. Well I say lets put giant speed bumps along every means of egress from their homes. They want to screw the rest of us traveling from Buford to Cumming let’s return the favor.

They’re the reason the right to condemn had to be established – NIMBY is just the local variant of Wall Street greed, I WANT TO BE THE LAST TO BUILD EVERYONE ELSE GO AWAY!

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
11:38 am

It’s unfortunate, yet understandable, that “smart growth” gets such a thumbs-down from non-liberals. I’m no liberal, but I do embrace most “smart growth” principles. I’m for infill, historic preservation, redevelopment, densification, intelligent city and regional planning, the protection of prime ag lands, environmentally sustainable landscape design, and user-oriented urban design. I hate sprawl, and I like sidewalks, bike lanes and physical environments friendly to seniors, children and the disabled. Yet I’m a traditionalist, not a liberal. Am I confused?

retiredds

April 24th, 2009
12:08 pm

Poultry: I agree with you wholeheartedly regarding “smart growth”. We’ve had “dumb growth” for too long and we now are seeing the results of that strategy in the marketplace. One final note, keep in mind that if you disagree with the conservatives you are automatically branded as a liberal, i.e. black/white, good/bad. They don’t seem to be able to negotiate the gray and seem to refuse to understand that there are many people in the USA who may be conservative on some issues but liberal on others. Their narrow focus is marginalizing them, however I am one who does not care that they can’t see “the forest through the trees”.

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
12:36 pm

Thank you for that, retiredds. You just treated me to a V-8 Moment, what the French call a “coup de tete”. It never occurred to me to flip the matter and look at the pigeonholes from the underside of the mental process that causes people to stereotype other people. You’re right: it’s not what I avow that screws me, but rather what I disavow.

That’s rather subtle of you, for a blog such as this, but I do appreciate it.

retiredds

April 24th, 2009
12:52 pm

Thanks, Poultry. I just think we might, as a committee of two, be able to clean up this blog mess ( oops their goes my grandiosity again).

@@

April 24th, 2009
12:52 pm

I, too am a traditionalist but not opposed to smart growth. Keeping in close in leaves me to wander the vast expanses until it catches up with me….then migrate.

Never aspired to be packaged like a sardine. Give me 100 acres and all the four-legged critters that seek refuge on it. To what goes on its perimeters will be of no consequence. I am a seclusive animal by nature.

@@

April 24th, 2009
1:15 pm

Oops! Toss that first in out.

Churchill's MOM

April 24th, 2009
1:20 pm

I was going to take the day off but you just can’t make up some of this stuff.

Campaign Solutions, a Republican consulting firm advising Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s political action committee, has parted ways with the former Republican vice presidential nominee.

The group had been working with the Palin operation to raise money for SarahPAC but decided to step aside after a series of strategic and philosophic differences, according to a source familiar with the decision.

Campaign Solutions head Becki Donatelli had long been associated with the fundraising efforts of Arizona Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) and got to know Palin during last year’s presidential campaign.

When Palin decided to set up a PAC earlier this year as a first step toward solidifying her role on the national stage and potentially positioning herself for a 2012 presidential run, Donatelli’s firm was the obvious choice to help raise money for the fledgling effort.

“When the Governor gave Kristan Cole permission to launch a legal expense fund, she had one request: keep it in Alaska. Campaign Solutions is not based in Alaska,” said SarahPAC spokesperson Meghan Stapleton. We appreciate Donatelli’s good work for us, but as we have been saying all along, the Governor is focused on Alaska and Alaskans.”

SarahPAC formally incorporated in late January but is not required to file a report detailing its contributions and expenditures until the end of June.

The parting of ways between Palin and Campaign Solutions is the latest sign of a divide between the governor’s official Alaska staff and those advising her on the national level. Palin has struggled badly to balance those competing interests; she recently agreed to and then canceled an appearance at a fundraiser to benefit the Republican House and Senate campaign committees.

The news of the latest problem in Palin’s political world comes on the same day that the Alaska governor announced the formation of the Alaska Fund Trust, an official legal fund designed to “defend the integrity of the Alaska Governor’s Office from an onslaught of political attacks launched against current Governor Sarah Palin, the First Family, and state-employed colleagues,” according to a mission statement on the organization’s Web site.

It also comes less than 24 hours after Levi Johnston, the former fiancee of her daughter, Bristol, appeared on CNN’s “Larry King Live” to discuss his relationship with the Palins.

***************PALIN MCCAIN 2012*********************

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
1:27 pm

@retiredds,

A hopeful overture, but this is not a site conducive to “detente”. On the contrary.

Would that it were, though.

@ @@,

Your second sentence. Exactly.

As to my advocacy of “density”: yes, I realize that it’s controversial, especially here. Let me seize upon your objection to it, then, so as to explain what I do and don’t mean.

I’ve spent too much of my life in margerine spread too thin. Not enough SPF? No, what I mean is that when humans live amidst sprawl, usually they live in a prettified landscape of cultural vacuity. A child cannot cycle a mile without a change of scenery, a change of interest, a change of stimulus. And a chair-ridden senior cannot make it a block.

Where there is density there is human culture, tightly packed. Urban designers call it “animation”, and toward achieving a certain degree of animation they try to design civic environments with a specific “grain” (a close relative to the sense in which I intend the word “density”). Rural environments, in this conception, can be assigned “grains”–matrices that account for their various but uniquely rural stimuli–and urban environments, to the extent that they are urban in the most urbane sense, are at the top of the scale: they are considered “fine-grained”, meaning the most stimulative, most of the time. To be a high school dropout in Paris is still to be educated, because one knows Paris. To be a waif in New York or Baltimore or Sao Paolo still means that one possesses street-smarts, a sense of “placeness”, some conception of a robust culture and something of that culture’s history. It means, if nothing else, that one is likely to possess a fighting pride. Density, then, in cities and hamlets, can be better than greedy margerine sprawl because it produces a kind of quiet cultural dynamo.

On the other hand, who could dispute that density can be dysfunctional, counterproductive, even soul-killing? The last time I checked, the most densely populated residential neighborhoods in the U.S. were Manhattan, and San Francisco’s relatively tiny Chinatown; Manhattan, for the obvious reason that its pricey residences are stacked so high, and Chinatown, because they are crammed so tight. At the time of the study, Manhattan’s average height was 11 stories, while Chinatown averaged only 2.5; yet, Chinatown was cramming far more people into far less floorspace.

Like I said: Good density, bad density; density not necessarily good.

On the whole, though, my sense is that as cities such as Atlanta grow, they should not grow broader, nor necessarily higher. They would do better to grow thicker. Thickness thickens culture, which melts the natural thickness of people’s skulls.

"Charles", The Original

April 24th, 2009
1:40 pm

Well Jackie,

I woke up this morning at 4:30 with a song in my heart and a destination on my mind. Old “Charles”, The Original has to be there, work, at 7:00AM.

And what crap are you referring to? You don’t have to respond if you’re white. The New World Order crowd doesn’t allow white people to openly address any subject pertaining to race, God, or country. Eric Holder said, in too many ways, we are, essentially a nation of cowards…

But as for us, we wake up each morning with our minds-and our minds are-stayed on Jesus. We wake up each morning with our minds- and our minds are-stayed on the Lord-Hallelujah!

You know the Devil can’t do us no harm- when our minds are-stayed on Jesus. The Devil can’t do us no harm-when our minds are-stayed on the Lord God Almighty!

You had better drink of this water Jackie while you still have time.

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
1:46 pm

Charles, The Original,

Not to intrude upon you conversation with Jackie, but exactly which subject pertaining to race did you wish us whites to address?

"Charles", The Original

April 24th, 2009
2:11 pm

Did you respond to Eric Holder? He said essentially that whites won’t respond to any subject pertaining to race, cowards.

I don’t know why Jackie had such an adverse reaction to my comment @ 10:00. It must be the Manchurian Candidate syndrome.

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
2:18 pm

Yes, Charles, I did read your comment, but, forgive me, I don’t see what it has to do either with Gen. Holder or with your suggestion that white people are dodging something. What do you mean?

As to Holder, I don’t see why he’s allowed Napolitano to continue her play onto his field. If anyone’s to be the J. Edgar here, it should be he, not she. Smells to me like a put-up deal, coming straight out of the Oval: She to play the heavy, and he to scoop up after the fact.

It stinks.

@@

April 24th, 2009
2:29 pm

and yet, Poultry, even in the urbans, we gravitate to our own kindliness. Now that, in and of itself, says a lot about who we are, dont’cha think? Since I prefer seclusion, consider me an outcast from all tribes.

Commune-all living outside the tin and in.

I had to go into the city yesterday. Stopped at a red-light, I heard this guy yelling at the top of his lungs….at who, I was unable to determine. It was “Mofo n****** this and mofo n****** that. Maybe I should have been offended, but I wasn’t. I got rather tickled at the inhumanity. When I returned home to the burb, I stopped at Wal-Mart where there was a young girl walking through the parking lot and talkin’ on her cellphone screaming the same epithets into her communication device.

Inside the can, outside the can….it’s all the same amusing crap to someone like myself.

Give me scat of the animal variety on 100 anyday. Not drawn to the drama am I.

"Charles", The Original

April 24th, 2009
2:32 pm

Poultry, you must have been eating too many eggs or drinking our share of the milk.

Jesus is able to help you connect the dots. Or Jesus can help you avoid being a stumbling block for those who have eyes but can’t see.

catlady

April 24th, 2009
2:33 pm

Sarah Palin, the gift that keeps on giving.

Jackie

April 24th, 2009
2:44 pm

@Charles

You make these outrageous and outlandish statements that are your opinion.
Apparently you think you can say things are provocative without someone asking you for verification.

As has been my belief, you claim to be a person of color with the thought your idea(s) are what is lacking in the minority community.

I do not believe that you are a person of color, nor do I believe your ideas are those that offer any help to any solution in the minority community. For example, you would profess to be helping the minority community and I asked you directly and specifically what organization you were a part of that offered a plan to help minorities. You failed to produce any information.

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
2:45 pm

No, @@, don’t take me wrong. I dig where you are. Recondite. Low-profile. Away from the street vulgarity that attaches to urban living. I mean, what can I say? Except, Good for You!

I’m just saying that it would be better were we to craft more various environments, for different people who want to live differently. Jim Wooten is an absolute bullmoose about advocacy for living on the mindlessly sprawling urban edge of the city that has provided his living. In JW we see Georgia urbanizing while coming to it kicking and screaming. It’s silly.

Tell the child that this will hurt me worse than it will hurt her, and then bloody well innoculate the poor fearful waif.

It’s for the best.*

* (Hey, How’s that for a perfectly liberal sentiment?)

"Charles", The Original

April 24th, 2009
2:55 pm

@@,

You observed the best of what the integrationist New World Order crowd has too offer humanity. There is no protection found in seclusion. This isn’t a battle between flesh and blood or brains and brawn. This is a spiritual battle for the soul of men and women…

You had better turn to Jesus while you still have time.

"Charles", The Original

April 24th, 2009
3:06 pm

I’ve got to run everyone. We’ve come to the end of another day. You had better send a prayer up and thank God that Old “Charles”, The Original hasn’t deceived any person. He is forever leading God’s people down the straight path.

I will talk to everyone on Monday or sooner; God willing.

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
3:12 pm

@Charles,

I tried to send you a civil reply, but the housecats cut it from their line-up.

So maybe later, if the Olympian gods are willing.

@ @@,

As happened with my response to Charles, the jive turkeys ate my term paper, or else by now you’d have had my response to, my explanation for, you. The gist is, that I’d hoped it could have gone without saying that you beautiful hermits could be left alone whilst the cities proceed to citify, the farmers to farm. All of it is within the realm of possibility, if only we will face down, and try to balance, the surmountable tension caused by population growth, meaning among other things prosperity, pressing against all the rest of our values and goals. It’s not that big a deal, really, provided that you (a) first shoot the fascists and (b) handle the remaining greedheads by first clearing all smoke and therefore attorneys out of the room.

A four-dollar can of Raid should do the trick. I believe the company makes one specific to lawyers.

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
3:18 pm

@Jackie,

I agree that Charles is a figment. In the future I will ignore him as such.

Still Munchin the Carpet

April 24th, 2009
3:19 pm

Answering the Original Charles, a proposition:

Blacks (or Negroes to use his preferred term) have historically had a very high prevalence of devotion to the Christian creed. I suggest that it is this ingrained cultural fealty to an imaginary Sky Fairy that makes the average Negro (again, using Charles’ formulation) that creates the condition that Charles perceives:

“…so-called educated integrationist Negroes and their enforcers, who’ve been begging Europeans for centuries to feed, clothe, shelter, educate, employ, and indoctrinate the black masses, there will always be the smell of decay coming out of America.”

Perhaps, Charles, you need to look at your own superstitious predilections as a potential source of this weakness you decry. It is not for nothing that Jesus’ followers are pegged using the imagery of sheep. Flocks of them.

@@

April 24th, 2009
3:34 pm

Poultry:

Recondite because nobody here or on the hill cares to put forth the real effort.

Prosperity holds a different meaning for different people. Who will have the final say as to what prosperity means? Shoot the fascists? Specifically speaking, who would you say they are? Where there are politicians, there will always be smoke that obscures.

My child will be a conservative urbanite. How’s that for a former dependent independent?

Charles:

In which direction should I turn? He’s all around me in the glory of His Father’s creation. I can see past the insanity to what matters most. I look down for his awesome wonder. It’s to be found in the eyes of every child. Adults? not so much.

booger

April 24th, 2009
3:42 pm

Speaking of earth day, for the last week I have been watching the “going green” edition of “House Hunters”. All the people looking for a home consider themselves “green” and want a “green” house.

In every case the buyers have been a couple with no children, The smallest house chosen during the week for the two people was 3800 sq. feet while the largest was 4900 sq. ft. The green features in the houses were bamboo flooring and carpet made from recycled plastic, non toxic paint, and energy efficient appliances. That’s it other than double pained windows which are mandatory most places. Also worth mentioning was that all houses bought were brand new.

Now I may not be an expert on “the green” movement but if these people wanted to reduce their impact on ole Mother Earth, would it not have made sense to by an older house, rather than cut the trees needed to build a new one. How about all the manufacturing involved in producing all the products for their new “Green” house. They could have easily added bamboo floors and recycled carpets and had the same effect as the new green house.

The difference was that all the houses shown were in designated “green” neighborhoods. No status in having a green house unless everyone knows.
Going green is nothing more than a fad.

Corey

April 24th, 2009
3:45 pm

“Congress has authorized spending as much as $1.5 billion over 10 years to maintain the aging Metro system, but the legislation requires that Virginia, Maryland and the District modify the regional compact that governs the operation and funding of the transit agency.”

See Georgia Teabaggers, you overwhelmed MARTA last week to travel to the Capitol to stage your hate fest, you are paying for a system in DC, but when poor MARTA begged the state legislature to allow it to use its own funds as it sees fit you were the primary naysayers. Hypocrits I say.

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
3:56 pm

@@,

Fact is, I don’t want to hurt nobody right now except the unsufferably politically correct AJC twerp who recently ate my rejoinder to Jackie.

That’s the kind of cheapjack tactic that gets my blood to boil, and it’s my fault for not calming myself, in the face of the AJC’s petty shoplifting, so that I can respond to you responsibly nor even, thanks to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, responsively.

Your first paragraph is a literal response to my poetic response to the stupid misconduct of the AJC’s nerds, muffins and uber-trolls.

The question I would ask about your own child, to whom you refer: Where will she settle, in the end? I don’t mean this as a challenge or referendum. I’m just asking.

I presume that you want her to make her own decision, yet obviously you are prepared to be proud of that eventual decision as a product of your own influence. (I believe that’s one of the countless things commonly called “Motherhood”.) So you trump me.

Just kidding. I don’t want your daughter unknown to choose any other than the setting and scope that suit her happiness. Nor do I want anything less for you, and nor should you want anything else for me.

But look: you know that this is Georgia, a beautiful big canvas upon which still can be painted almost anything. The recent past, unfortunately, has proved that point.

Still, I’m an optimist. Where now?

@@

April 24th, 2009
4:28 pm

Poultry:

I find no fault in being an optimist. Mine is somewhat reserved for the up close and personal.

If I had to guess where my daughter would eventually settle, it’d be somewhere that her children can safely roam and explore. It was after all, what she had the freedom to enjoy in childhood. I know a couple with a small child who live in the city by choice. The child will never be allowed to embark on her own. She will always be accompanied by an adult. That seems so restrictive to me.

Did you grow up in an urban setting, Poultry?

Jackie

April 24th, 2009
4:29 pm

@Poultry

I believe Charles appears occasionally to “stir the pot” with racial innuendos and other such nonsense.

I have had many of the same issues with this blog. You put together a response(s) to a posting and it disappears.

Jackie

April 24th, 2009
4:45 pm

News reports today indicate Gov. Perdue is planning to hold on to the $178 million federal public education stimulus money.

Wonder how this provides leadership and insight relative to the improvement of GA schools?

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
4:47 pm

Sorry, Jackie, but I can’t reconstruct it now. I’ll never again respond to a provocation from Charles, as I’m convinced he doesn’t exist.

@@,

I didn’t mean to presume, and I apologize. I’d meant to use your daughter as a case-in-point, and it was stupid of me to think that a mother ever could think of her own daughter in such an abstract.

In answer to your question, no, neither could I personally bear to see off my child in many of the forms of urban transport. However, my understanding is that in NYC, even after 9/11, young children continue to learn the transit systems without a lot of help. They still become in their movements fairly autonomous and self-reliant, then.

deegee

April 24th, 2009
5:17 pm

For the first time today I found all five before the buzzer in “Can you see the change”. I feel really good about this weekend.

@@

April 24th, 2009
5:19 pm

New Yorkers are a rare breed, Poultry. I don’t know if it’s still the case, but during Giuliani’s reign as mayor, crime diminished considerably. Like you said, street smarts are a valuable asset — even at a young age.

My daughter’s been to New York two….maybe three times. She’s now dating a guy whose brother and sister-in-law are musicians for Broadway productions. She finds all cities, whether here or abroad to be pretty much the same. It’s the cultural arts that she enjoys. She travelled to the U.K. within days after the terrorist car bombing. A real nail biter for me.

When she got there, it was the quaint countryside that she gravitated to. Had many a picture taken with sheep grazing. After that it was off to Italy to visit a friend. There she found the laundry strung above cobbled streets to be picturesque. While her friend was on duty call, she toured the Sicilian coast on the back of a scooter with his girlfriend who didn’t speak a word of english. They went shopping for bathing suits and the girlfriend insisted that they buy two just alike. My daughter thought that was cute but strange since no girl here in the states would be caught dead wearing the same outfit. Off to the parent’s house for introductions. The flat was small, the father overweight in what we call a wife beater shirt and the mom was barefoot and cooking. “Just like in the movies!” says she.

She has a zest for the unfamiliar.

@@

April 24th, 2009
5:26 pm

Oh, and Poultry? Quit apologizing. If you’ve offended me, I either failed to notice or simply can’t be any longer. I’ll let you in on a little secret. Whenever you see a post I’ve typed followed by an assortment of letters, it’s my way of cussing someone out without actually cussing them out. For instance:

ysawthdytim.

Only I know what that means. Others are left to wonder.

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
5:48 pm

@@,

To your daughter, Bravo!

In Italy they still think of “streets” as something like what we might call a promenade, a pedestrian path between buildings. The thought of mechanized vehicles taking pride of place over humans and their carts–well, it’s still a little unthinkable when it comes to actual streets, as distinguished from roadways, highways, expressways, etc. Here, we think of every inch as grist for the tire treads. Zambonis on the rink, golf carts in the shopping center, ever-remultiplying subspecies of Lexi on display just inside the Costco exit.

In most of the world still, this obnoxious sort of intrusion is unthinkable, not only because it’s unusually exhorbitant but also because it violates the general global norm that defines a street as a lane fit for human travel, commerce and intercourse. Were Cobb County somehow to touch down in present-day Sicily, say, the result would be a cultural destruction greater than that visited upon Nagasaki in 1945: In place of culture, nil.

"Charles", The Original

April 24th, 2009
5:49 pm

Guess whose back on the scene. I kind of agree with the Attorney General. We have a lot of cowardice here. When I sign off, there are a lot of references to “Charles”, The Original. But when I’m on line, there is hardly a whimper.

Now with respect to ignoring my comments, I hope many of you do. There is tremendous work involved in raising the consciousness of helplessly deceived persons.

Likewise, our organization is open to all so-called educated integrationist Negroes seeking transformation. But we hope many don’t accept our invitation because it’s just too much worked involved.

There are credible organizations that transform so-called educated white people too.

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
5:57 pm

Go to hell, Charles.

You’re unoriginal.

catlady

April 24th, 2009
6:03 pm

Of course, those who used cloth diapers in the 40s and 50s were not making environmentally aware choices; they were using only what was available (other than trying to anticipate the pee and poop and holding the baby over the grass instead of putting some kind of cloth catcher on them.)

On his idea that NIMBys don’t want expressways out of greed: put one through Wooten’s farm and see how happy he is. What a good, for-the-better-of-all citizen.

Glad to see him come out against earmarks. We will remember that.

On Grady: oh, please. That place continues to be poorly run. Use the consultant’s ideas, BUT QUIT PAYING HER TO CONTINUE GIVING THEM. Surely after that many months you have reaped all the ideas she has.

On indigent care at Grady and in general: much more should be expected of all who use it, no matter their county. Cut back on non-emergency use of the emergency room, for one. Garnishee welfare checks. Expect Medicaid babies’ mothers to pay, over time, for their birth, even if it is $5 per week.

Jackie

April 24th, 2009
6:07 pm

@Charles

Stacking that BS higher, are you?

"Charles", The Original

April 24th, 2009
6:08 pm

Poultry, that response is indicative of demonic possession. And we should know because the average so-called educated integrationist Negro that we diagnose is filled with that kind of malevolent spirit.

"Charles", The Original

April 24th, 2009
6:18 pm

Now remember, you people agreed to ignore my comments, to act as if “Charles”, The Original doesn’t exist.

I guess the urge to strike out at a good spirit is too strong to resist.

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
6:25 pm

You have no idea, Charles! Why hell, I’m so possessed that I’m not only an integrationist Caucasian, I’m positively and enthusiastically miscegenistic, you blind man who cannot yet see.

"Charles", The Original

April 24th, 2009
6:31 pm

And yes, “Charles”, The Original has been placed in a win- win- position. If you strike at me, that malevolent spirit is revealed. And if you remain silent, the Attorney General’s “essentially coward’s” comment is magnified.

This is God’s doings.

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
6:41 pm

Charles,

I’m pretty sure that the Almighty does not work through the Attorney General of the United States. If He does do, then let me be struck both dumb and blind.

Still Munchin the Carpet

April 24th, 2009
6:42 pm

I never agreed to ignore the deranged ranting of Original Charles (the Potato Chip?). I’m happy to repeatedly call him out on his delusional Black Nationalist variation on New Age woo and fairy tale superstition. Though he cannot bear to look in the mirror to see the obvious, his groveling at the feet of the imaginary Sky Fairy is part and parcel of the slavish mindset he claims to abhor.

A man with his mind in shackles will never be free, Charlie. You got more chains on you than Toby.

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
6:44 pm

Good for you, Munchausen. Charles has got to be a figment of someone’s perverse imagination.

Might I guess, of whose?

"Charles", The Original

April 24th, 2009
6:48 pm

Not so Poultry. The Bible clearly shows that if it is his will, God can work through inanimate objects. Moses and his formidable rod can attest to it.

"Charles", The Original

April 24th, 2009
6:50 pm

And yes, “Charles”, The Original has been placed in a win- win- position. If you strike at me, that malevolent spirit is revealed. And if you remain silent, the Attorney General’s “essentially coward’s” comment is magnified.

This is God’s doings.

"Charles", The Original

April 24th, 2009
6:54 pm

I’ve got to leave again everyone. Dr. Stanley Monteith will began the second hour of his program @www.radioliberty.com.

I missed the first hour featuring Dr. Dennis Cuddy. So, I will talk to everyone later; God Willing. http://www.radioliberty.com

Still Munchin the Carpet

April 24th, 2009
6:55 pm

Dang. Guess I’m suffused with the devil. Call Booby Jindal, I hear he dabbles in exorcisms.

Charles, do you hear voices, too? Ever get the urge to mount a battle at Waterloo?

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
7:08 pm

Charles, if you’re real then I really don’t know what you’re on about. If you discern yourself as imbued with the Holy Spirit, then why presume that I cannot construe that possibility, despite my deficiencies in the melanin department? If you’ve got it, brother, then for His sake, deliver it, say it.

That you prefer combatitiveness gives you away as a fraud.

Poultry

April 24th, 2009
7:14 pm

Hang on a minute, Midnight Munchies.

I’m still clinging to a threadbare hope that he’s for real on this one. Let’s please wait and see how he responds.