Slow-death capital punishment affirmed

Georgia effectively ended capital punishment Wednesday — the capital punishment by lethal injection, anyway — in approving an easier route to life without parole.  The House vote was 164-0. The bill had already passed the Senate so it goes now to Gov. Sonny Perdue for his signature.

This means, of course, that Georgia will pass from one generation to the next an aging population of murderers too evil to live free as wards of the state until the end of their natural lives.  The public wants them dead, but lacks the stomach, and therefore the will, to return death penalty verdicts.   Too, some prospective jurors flat-out opposed to capital punishment lie their way onto juries where they deadlock the panel, no matter the evidence  The case that effectively ended the minutes-long form of capital punishment in Georgia was that of Brian Nichols, the mass murderer who killed an Atlanta judge and three others.

Under existing law, a District Attorney had to seek the death penalty before a murderer could be given the sentence of life without parole. That’s expensive and it requires competent, well-prepared prosecutors and honest jurors.  The bill passed Wednesday allows DAs to ask for life without parole without having first to seek the death penalty.  DAs and capital punishment opponents both supported it.

The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, State Rep. Rich Golick (R-Smyrna), said the change will allow victims’ families to have "closure."  Right now they’re jerked around mercilessly.

The good news is that Georgia still has the death penalty for those who are truly evil.  The bad news is that getting there will require half a century or more, during which time the security, room and board and medical and nursing care are on your tab — and that of the victims’ families.

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Chris Broe

March 26th, 2009
8:18 am

Grading Wooten:

Iago Called. He wants his act back.

Gregg

March 26th, 2009
8:38 am

It is amazing how you can be an anti-abortionist in one article and support the death penalty in another. I guess that is a skill that has been gained by your many years of serving up B/S.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 26th, 2009
8:47 am

Testing, to see if I can post. Gregg, amazing, isn’t it, how the culture of death will accept murder of the innocent, yet preserve the lives of the truly evil among us.

Me

March 26th, 2009
8:49 am

“It is amazing how you can be an anti-abortionist in one article and support the death penalty in another.”

It’s simple, Gregg. The baby is innocent and therefore DOES NOT deserve death; and the convicted murderer on death row is not innocent and DOES deserve death.

Gregg

March 26th, 2009
8:55 am

Doen’t that beg the question what sin is greater? if you believe in the bible, it says all a person has to do in the eyes of the lord is ask for forgiveness or is that not in the bible you read?

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 26th, 2009
9:05 am

Gregg,”forgiveness” does not prohibit execution of the criminal. But only the purest arrogance assumes that man is capable of forgiveness of a violation of the laws of nature. Only Nature’s God can so forgive.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 26th, 2009
9:06 am

I also note that Christians have no difficulty distinguishing “murder” from “lawful killing.” Only the secularists among us are so incapable.

Gregg

March 26th, 2009
9:06 am

As for you Ragnar Danneskjöld I actually do not advocate either. You see to me both are wrong however I refuse to accept one and say the other is wrong. Murder is murder regardless of who does it.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

March 26th, 2009
9:09 am

Actually Gregg, your position is evil. You not only are incapable of intelligent distinction of death dealing, you would also control such that those of us capable of the distinction are precluded from exercise of our good judgment.

Gregg

March 26th, 2009
9:16 am

Abortion is not illegal or did I miss something. Tell me Ragnar how many times have you tried to adopt a addicted baby or open your home to a troubled child? If you don’t condone abortion what are you doing to stop it? Do you ask the question why (when the mother tries to drop the child off at the fire station) did she have if she couldn’t take care of it!
If your goal is to preserve “LIFE” it should not matter whose life nor should you have to choose which is wrong or right. When the Pope or your pastor speaks out about the death penalty do you not hear it as loud as when he speaks out about abortion?

Gregg

March 26th, 2009
9:18 am

What good judgement? Two evils do not create a common good. In the 10 commandments it states “THOU SHALT NOT KILL” it does not give any fine print as to what it means. It is very clear it what it says and what it means. So whose good judgement are you using man or GOD?

Copyleft

March 26th, 2009
9:31 am

Wooten seems unaware of contradicting himself within the same sentence:

“The public wants them dead, but lacks the stomach, and therefore the will, to return death penalty verdicts.”

i.e., the public actually DOESN’T want them dead. But then, logic is never a conservative’s strong suit.

It’s a good thing Georgia has finally inched a bit further toward joining modern civilization… over the strident objections of neanderthal and logic-free conservatives, of course–many of whom claim to be “Christian,” amusingly enough.

Chris Broe

March 26th, 2009
9:37 am

Point of order: Gop recognizes three degrees of murder: There’s murder one, there’s justifiable homicide, and of course, there’s good, clean killin’ (for the common good).

Good. Clean. Killin’.

4theCommonGood.

lovelyliz

March 26th, 2009
9:47 am

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Glenn

March 26th, 2009
9:53 am

Thou shalt not murder, Gregg. The word is murder.

In Mosaic Law, the penalty for murder is death, and abortion is abominated. Life imprisonment of a murderer is not an option. Don’t take my word for it; ask any Orthodox rabbi.

Redneck Convert

March 26th, 2009
9:56 am

Well, I got no problem with the Death Penalty–long as they don’t carry it out on Sunday morning when I’m listening to the Rev. Postlewaite preach about loving your neybor and forgiving people that sin against us.

This new law got me to thinking we need to get back to lynch mobs. If the public talks about the need to kill criminals but won’t do it, it seems to me we need to have some good old boys running around taking care of things that the sheriffs won’t. One problem we got is jurys with the IQ of a carrot. Let the lawyer for some guy that kilt about five people start talking about how bad the murderer’s home life was and the jury gets tears in their eyes and lets them off with life without parole.

What good’s a Death Penalty if you ain’t going to kill anybody with it? It’s the only way we got to get back at the criminal–I mean, get justice. So put me on the side of Raghead and the other godly Conservatives. Kill, kill, kill so they won’t kill no more. If they want to cut loose we’ll show them what real killing is. It will set a exsample for all of them. Besides, we won’t see it being done and so we can wash our hands of it.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good day everybody.

BS Aplenty

March 26th, 2009
10:02 am

In 1988, Democratic presidential candidates Bill Clinton and Mike Dukakis were in a debate, as I recall, being moderated by CNN’s Bernie Shaw. The former Massachusetts governor was asked if he would support the death penalty for a man convicted of raping and killing his wife, Kitty. Dukakis, in the truest liberal dithering, mumbled that he had always been against the death penalty.

Somewhere in that answer most reasonable Americans saw a man who was not fit to be president.

lovelyliz

March 26th, 2009
10:03 am

Alfred Rivera, Steve Manning, Eric Clemmons, Joseph Nahume Green, Earl Washington, William Nieves, Frank Lee Smith, Michael Graham, Albert Burrell, Oscar Lee Morris, Peter Limone, Gary Drinkard, Joaquin Jose Martinez, Jeremy Sheets, Charles Fain, Juan Roberto Melendez, Ray Krone, Thomas Kimbell, Jr., Larry Osborne, Aaron Patterson, Madison Hobley, Leroy Orange, Stanley Howard, Rudolph Holton, Lemuel Prion, Wesley Quick, John Thompson, Timothy Howard, Gary Lamar James, Joseph Amrinem, Nicholas Yarris, Alan Gell, Gordon Steid, Laurence Adams, Dan L. Bright, Ryan Matthews, Ernest Ray Willis, Derrick Jamison, Harold Wilson, John Ballard, Curtis McCarty, Michael McCormick, Jonathon Hoffman, Kennedy Brewer, Glen Chapman, Levon Jones, Michael Blair

Davo

March 26th, 2009
10:13 am

I saw a program that examined a death penalty case. It was a before/after type program. They talked to the victims family and friends before they executed the killer, and then interviewed them again a few months after the state dispatched him. They were just as mad and angry as before…one guy was mad because ‘he got off easy’ where as before he wanted him dead.

This notion of ‘justice for the victims’ in support of the death penalty plays well but let’s be honest here, shouldn’t we focus more on justice and less on vengence? And the thought of the state killing an innocent man is really quite disturbing. The notion that it deters people from violence is ludicriss…as if murderers and psychopaths have impulse control to begin with.

Siding with angels of mercy will save us money and grief over the long run.

Glenn

March 26th, 2009
10:20 am

I respect your views, Davo, but I disagree. It seems that the prosecutors have abbrogated their duty, and are doing instead the bidding of defense attorneys. Instead of throwing in the towel, they should seek legislation that fast-tracks murderers to death. That’s what Texas, Florida and Wyoming have done. Let justice be swift and sure.

Chris Broe

March 26th, 2009
10:21 am

Wooten is the new Peter Lorre: Drooling over the prospects of being the reporter covering an execution, not to mention all the tingly feelings he gets saving taxpayers’ money.

There is a 100 percent chance of executing an innocent man during any capital punishment regime; Wooten is accepting murder as collateral damage in the war on crime.

Wooten writes only what serves to align him with some vague moving target of conservative ideals and litmus test profiling. Here’s a quarter, Wooten. Write a conservative cliche.

Wooten is tough on crime. Wooten is so tough, that when he was in middle school, he used to cheat at hangman, just to see the penciled-in guy dangle. Then, he’d turn to the very next page in his hangman notepad and he’d cheat at hangman again, so he could draw the hanged man with his legs and feet in a slightly different position than the game on the previous page. He amused himself all summer once by flipping through the pages quickly and watching the hanged man playing air soccer. There were reports of cats disappearing that summer.

Wooten won the “PoorLyncher Prize”, for excellence in justifying hangin’, for his autobiography entitled, “It’s been weeks since I’ve been to a good hangin’.”

He won the minds and hearts of our red state environmentalists when he insisted that only green beret snipers be allowed to be in the firing squad pool. “We’re wasting bullets shooting criminal scum. One bullet for one person. I’m only looking out for the tax payer.”

Wooten’s not so much a Founding Father of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy as he is a bagman for Thomas Paine. ( I don’t know what that means. Now I want my mommy).

Maniac is accurate

March 26th, 2009
10:26 am

I think there should be degrees of incarceration beyond just general population jail time and solitary confinement. For murderers and rapists there should be solitary confinement-plus. Isolation in windowless cells, solid door, bare lightbulb, no reading material except pharmaceutical studies, Nutriloaf once a day and water. A half-hour outdoors alone in a special “yard,” high walls, alone, no exercise equipment three times a week. Forever. I don’t care who you are, that’s some punishment right there.

Glenn

March 26th, 2009
10:28 am

Personally I favor the guillotine. Say what you will about the device, but at least the thing worked.

KC

March 26th, 2009
10:39 am

For me the situation is quite simple, it will absolutely save the taxpayer’s money. I know, I know… A convict’s room and board for 40 years is a lot of money, but studies have shown that the amount spent on death penalty trials add up to a lot more than just locking these people up.

Emotionally, I do sympathize with the victim’s families. I cannot even contemplate what it must be like to lose a loved one to a murderer, but I think if I were in that situation I would want the trial and sentencing over as soon as possible. Look how long the Brian Nichols case dragged on and on. Granted, he is way beyond evil and if anyone deserved the death penalty, he does. But, if the prosecutor thought that he couldn’t get the death penalty for Nichols he could have gone straight to LWOP saving us all years as well as millions of dollars.

Ga Values

March 26th, 2009
10:43 am

WABE’s spring fund raiser is on, I’ll be taking pledges next Thursday afternoon, please do your duty.

Churchill's MOM

March 26th, 2009
10:44 am

I see Raghead is back but his logic hasn’t improved.

Chris Broe

March 26th, 2009
10:50 am

Great, Maniac, take the fun out of both prison, and being a married couch potato, (your punishment describes both). .

JLK

March 26th, 2009
11:04 am

Thank you, LovelyLiz. I note that those who get massive wood from wars that kill innocent families and state-sponsored executions make no comment on the number of wrongly-convicted men later freed by DNA evidence, and would not begin to touch upon the numbers who were executed wrongly before such science became more readily available, (though still prohibitively expensive for many.) Thankfully, many Americans remain reasonable on this subject. Are the citizens of Georgia evolving? Could it be?

Actually, the “stomach” to which Mr. Wooten refers is more about pockets. The death penalty is more expensive to implement than life without parole, and the resulting benefit to the wrongly convicted of having more time to prove their innocence is purely incidental, and of no concern whatsoever to SHEI$$TER fake-azz lawyers whose “morals” exist entirely in their daily critical blatherings of others, and in no way inhabit their non-existent souls. Or so it would appear based upon the evidence before us.

Shawny

March 26th, 2009
11:16 am

ok, then. Bring back penal colonies. deserted isle, make them fend for themselves. grow their own food, etc. no taxpayer money involved, except the visual from space to insure they don’t escape back into our society.

Gregg

March 26th, 2009
11:21 am

Glen we do not live by Mosiac law, so there is no need to ask a Rabbi. And the word in my Bible is “KILL”. I think Redneck Convert haas it in a nut bag. he uses a wild brand of humor however for the most part he is correct he what he says. We only think for forgiving those that tresspass against on Sundays when we are dressed our best and sitting in pews of like minded people.

Gregg

March 26th, 2009
11:26 am

Glenn have you seen the shows where people who were sent to death row were freed after many years of professing their innocence? What if they were put to death only to find out that they too were innocent after the fact? Does that equate to all of those that played a role in their sentencing and overall “MURDER” be charged with that as a crime? Or is that for the common good also?

Glenn

March 26th, 2009
11:49 am

Perhaps you’ll recall, Gregg, that the late Mr. Justice Harry Blackmun finally rejected the death penalty, after his clerks showed him how inconsistently the punishment is meted out across the states, and how frequently innocent persons had been wrongly accused and executed. There’s a very thorny thicket of jursiprudence here. Is the proper remedy then to abandon capital punishment altogether, or is the remedy instead to reform the justice system so that death sentences are meted out beyond a shadow of doubt?

American justice is in fact derived from both Mosaic law and English Common Law. In the year that John Wesley preached in Georgia, he wrote and taught very thoughtfully on the question of Christian pacifism. He concluded that both war and capital punishment are necessary evils, a kind of divine hypocrisy. With Wesley, there never were any shortcuts, and simple answers, yet he was anything but an obscurantist or hair-splitter. These are tragic questions, aren’t they?

The little sister and only sibling of a dear friend was raped and murdered in New Mexico a few years back. The killer remains at large. I know of no one who knew beautiful, cheery Stephanie who does not want the killer found and executed. Indeed, the thought of that man spending his days as a ward of the state just makes no sense to me at all. A society that moves in that direction, mistaking clemency for grace, is in fact devolving into madness.

Gregg

March 26th, 2009
11:55 am

Glenn do you think the murderer of Stephanie will be killed in the same way. They are put to sleep so they feel no pain. I am sorry for your friend’s lost however that is not justice but vengence in it’s simplest form. Since I can’t kill him, I will allow the state to do it. Let me ask you what if the wrong man is found, convicted and killed? How do you think Stephanie’s Family would feel? I think they would rather know for a fact he is not hurting anyone else the way he caused them pain than an innocent man dying at the state’s hand.

GayGrayGeek

March 26th, 2009
12:05 pm

Mom @ 10:44 – You must remember that “logic” and “reason” are to The Esquire as “thrift” and “humility” are to Paris Hilton.

Glenn

March 26th, 2009
12:30 pm

My reason for mentioning Jewish Orthodoxy is that in that faith the death penalty for murder is mandated by a God who demands it. It’s not optional; it’s mandatory. The rabbinate therefore does not consider it open for debate.

In Christian theology there is a concept of sacred violence, which boils down to a defense of the innocent. This notion forms the basis for the Church’s “just war doctrine”, and the same concept covers, or permits, capital punishment. Last week in Cameroon Pope Benedict said that essence of Christianity is the rejection of violence, and yet he himself has done nothing I know of to modify or abandon the Roman Catholic Church’s position on warfare and legal killing. It occurs to me that were he to do, among other things the military chaplaincies would be thrown into confusion.

I want Stephanie’s murderer executed unless he is insane. I don’t want anyone executed in his place.

randyrulz

March 26th, 2009
12:40 pm

POTUS is taking questions on the Web. Who is this guy trying to kid? After that fiasco two nights ago now he is taking questions from the alleged public. Yeah right. For all who believe those questions won’t be filtered, do something else: make me believe that solar activity doesn’t cause the earth to warm and cool.

What kind of teleprompter is there on the Web anyway?

Jackie

March 26th, 2009
12:43 pm

We have not found a system that is infallible, consequently the state has killed innocent men and women in our name.

How do we correct the error that was made in our names?

Glenn

March 26th, 2009
12:46 pm

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

@@

March 26th, 2009
12:49 pm

I think the problem is in the wording, Jim — they matter, dont’cha know?

No longer should we call it “capital punishment”. Let’s call it assisted suicide so the compassionate liberals will get on board. With the new DNA fingerprinting, we should be good to go.

When ‘ya think about it, not having the ability to resist violent impulses must be a debilitating existence so ending their suffering would be the compassionate thing to do.

On murder, The Bible deals with the personal conflict in numerous scriptures. Of course, each individual (pastor/parishioner) brings with him/her their own doctrine through social constructs but theirs does not overrule God’s. For those that want to argue Old Testament vs New Testament, you can’t ignore:

“My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me.” (John 7:16)

Going back to the Old Testament: God expects ethical behavior (Jn 6:29; Ac 8:21, 24:16; 2 Co 9:7; 1 Th 4:9; Jas 1:27; 1 Jn 3:9) and will judge wrongdoers (Ro 2:16, 3:19)

Then you get into Give therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.

In other words….if your life is not minted in the image of God, you place yourself in the government’s “treasury” to do with as they see fit.

“Thou Shalt Not Kill” — if he struck him down with his hand in enmity, and as a result he died, the one who struck him shall surely be put to death, he is a murderer (Numbers 25:31)

The commandment “Thou shalt not kill” is really not as general as the King James version would indicate. The commandment actually refers to premeditated, unjustified killing – murder.

For those of you who want to say killing is killing whether it be baby or adult, look ^^^ up! With the exception of risk to the mother, all killing of innocent babies is unjustified unless you’re willing to consider inconvenience a justification.

I would argue that no person who has lost a loved one to criminal intent (murder, rape, child molestation) should sit on a jury where the death penalty is on the table, and YES, I think all three should be punishable by death. Their judgment may be provoked by revenge. That’s why impartial jurists are sought — their judgment is in the interest of social justice. A difficult job but somebody’s gotta do it which is why I believe, liberals would prefer not.

Glenn

March 26th, 2009
12:57 pm

@@,

Do you still want me to hit you?

I thought you’d never ask…

Rush Limbaugh

March 26th, 2009
1:10 pm

Redneck Covert

Amen Brother…… The logic of our neo-con, non-secular progressive, right wing, Sean Hannity(you are a great American)following friends is that their position on the sanctity of life gives them the moral authority to pick and choose who lives and dies. It is a totally contradictory position. I was against death before I was for it.

Never mind that the justice system doesn’t always get it right…oops killed an innocent one. But that’s ok, we thought he was guilty.

It is this rigid self-assuredness and sanctimonious attitude that makes them so impervious to reason. To consider another’s position to them is weakness. When challenged they lash out. They all basically seethe with contempt for anyone who has a different view. They consider their position morally superior. Thank God there are only a few of them.

Glenn

March 26th, 2009
1:12 pm

I bet Gov. Perdue will veto the bill.

randyrulz

March 26th, 2009
1:14 pm

So long as we’re allowed to own guns in this nation, the most useful (and cheap) type of execution will still be around legally: self defense and wasting a scumbag no questions asked. You read about these stories all the time. Here’s one of the latest around metro ATL:

Associated Press – February 28, 2009 11:44 AM ET

LILBURN, Ga. (AP) – Gwinnett County police say a homeowner shot and killed 1 of the intruders when two men kicked in his front door.

The incident happened shortly after 5 p.m. Friday when the men knocked at the door and when no one answered, kicked it in.

Police spokeswoman Illana Spellman said the resident fired, striking and killing one in the doorway. She said the second man ran away and police using search dogs were unable to find the man.

No charges have been filed in the incident.

Information from: The Atlanta Journal-Constitution,

Maniac is accurate

March 26th, 2009
1:16 pm

Why shouldn’t murderers and rapists suffer my fate, Chris?

John G.

March 26th, 2009
1:32 pm

Ragnar, congrats on the name I wonder how many here know, I’m guessing Gregg, may never know. He sees no irony in killing the innocent vs. punishing the guilty. Maybe their pretty thoughts and enlightened ideals will be able to replace work and reward this time, since the previous times it failed in the harsh light of human nature.

@@

March 26th, 2009
1:34 pm

Glenn:

I left you half an ichtys and it died for wanting.

Never would have worked out though — no futtock shrouds.

Just havin’ a little online fun with ‘ya, Blackjack, you ol’ picaroon you.

Glenn

March 26th, 2009
1:55 pm

You slay me, @@.

"Charles", The Original

March 26th, 2009
2:17 pm

We came too far, marched too long, prayed too hard, wept too bitterly, bled too profusely, and died too young in our attempt to abolish capital punishment in the State of Georgia. But to no avail. Regretfully, it took the aftermath of a shooting rampage on March 11, 2005 at the Fulton County Courthouse that left the powers that be, Senate, House, and the Governor with only one choice; abolish the death penalty. And in a futile attempt to avoid coming face to face with that reality, some assert softly that “slow-death capital punishment is affirmed.” They simply mean that life without parole will become the ultimate criminal penalty in the State of Georgia.

The Senate had already passed the bill that effectively ended capital punishment. The house voted 164-0. Now all that’s needed is the governor’s signature.

I pray ye make a list of crimes more depraved in the eyes of victims that’s been wrongly accused, charged, convicted, and sitting on death row…There is none.

williebkind

March 26th, 2009
2:22 pm

If you not for the death penalty then you must be for building more prisons? What kind of tax increase are you talking about? Speaking of prisons, for those who use any form of illegal drugs, could you please volunteer to patrol the border and save non users lives. Liberals are welcome!

Peter

March 26th, 2009
2:55 pm

My buddy said we should go ahead and kill folks but make it a pay per view TV program…….thus getting two things accomplished…….

1. Getting rid of the scum……… not paying to keep them alive, and for what ?

2. Collecting much needed revenue !

It would make great reality TV ! Plus it might make folks think twice about killing for a change.

@@

March 26th, 2009
3:14 pm

Peter:

Would the program include the “Don’t try this at home” warning?

"Charles", The Original

March 26th, 2009
3:21 pm

The Senate and the House have made the right decision in respect to abolishing capital punishment. Hopefully the governor will soon follow suit.

The nation should turn its attention on the plight of unborn babies. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that abortion is unconstitutional. We should abolish the death penalty in all of its dimensions…

Peter

March 26th, 2009
3:38 pm

Hey @@

Peter:

Would the program include the “Don’t try this at home” warning?

Why ?……. If you killed someone at home that would be Murder, and you would end up on the Program.

I actually think it would be fun…it would be an eye for an eye type of thing….my favorite part would be if you killed someone say with your car……. as a drunk driver…..

Then they could use a similar car and run you down, say in a big parking lot and film it.

You shot someone, then you get shot…….. You stabbed someone to death, you get stabbed.

Reality TV would be a true reality, and folks dying in horror, may just get other folks to think twice about doing this to other folks !

REPUBLICANS EVIL TIME IS UP

March 26th, 2009
3:40 pm

REMEMEBER REDNECK CONVERT ITS NOT JUST THE WHITES AND BLACKS IN THE SOUTH ANYMORE SO WHEN YOU SAY LET THE GOOD OLE BOYS GO OUT AND COMMIT KLAN JUSTICE THE ARABS INDIANS HISPANICS JEWS ASIANS AND BLACKS SUPPOSE TO JUST LET THE REDNECK NEO-NAZI CONSERVATIVE LET LOOSE THEIR STREET KLAN JUSTICE LIKE THE 1800-1900S,ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

CONSERVATIVE JUSTICE IS BLIND DRUNK AND FALSE JUSTICE.

LIKE IN COBB COUNTY WHEN THE REDNECK CONSERVATIVES HUNG A JEW BY THE NAME OF LEO FRANK WHO WAS INNOCENT,SO IS THIS THE GOOD OLE BOY JUSTICE WE WANT IN THE SOUTH,CAUSE REMEMEBER DIXIE EVERY TIME YOU TRY TO RISE UP YOU GET SLAPPED AND KNOCKED BACK DOWN.

P.S. REMEMEBER LEO FRANK.
LEO FRANK
LEO FRANK
LEO FRANK
VICTIM OF SO-CALLED GOOD OLE BOY DIXIE LYNCHING JUSTICE!

Tray

March 26th, 2009
3:46 pm

You know, it’s very easy to be anti-abortion (the second comment this morning), and for the death penalty, and here’s how since your government education doesn’t teach you to think freely: Uh, this guy murdered people in cold blood to save his own skin (kill him). Uh, this baby didn’t harm anyone, why should we kill it??

Still don’t get it?? I knew you voted for Obama!

For everyone else out there with a brain, you may agree that the ONLY way to deter crime is to make the punishment worthwhile. The problem with the U.S. today is that there are too many whiners and complainers, and government only pleases them to shut them up, not because they really care (when in YOUR life has the govt. cared about anything but themselves and their power). All that’s happened here is the govt. got involved, and now the rime rate will continue to increase, especially now that it’s known you can kill people here and you won’t be put to death. Sad sad times for us all…and PrezBo isn’t helping anything at all!

Moral Calculus

March 26th, 2009
3:50 pm

As Mr Wooten points out, it is expensive to incarcerate prisoners for life (although, given the cost of appeals, not as expensive as putting them to death.)

So tell us, conservatives: how much is a human life worth? In dollars and cents? You can, of course prorate the price based on age, size, and ethnicity (poor black child, fat Southern Baptist white male, wiry teenage Hispanic, etc.).

Note that we proud secular progressive humanists also accept Euros …

Copyleft

March 26th, 2009
4:04 pm

Actually, the insurance industry has been answering that question for a long time now–not that anyone should agree with them!

Tray: “you may agree that the ONLY way to deter crime is to make the punishment worthwhile.”

Certainly you may. You’d be wrong, of course, but you may say that all you like.

@@

March 26th, 2009
4:23 pm

Peter:

Since the thought of committing a violent crime has never crossed my mind, I’ll pass on the pay-per-view.

Moral Calculus:

How about the value of a human body — one that has committed a crime against an innocent. It appears to be around $8.00

DID YOU KNOW?

The Nazis, during the Holocaust, used human skin as a substitute for leather in the manufacture of lampshades and shoes, among other things.

…and whose skin was used? People who were guilty of nothing more than being Jewish.

@@

March 26th, 2009
4:31 pm

Let’s all take a look at who it was that inspired Adolph Hitler to exterminate the undesireables.Planned Parenthood’s own…?

If you guessed Margaret Sanger, you’re right.

@@

March 26th, 2009
4:37 pm

Oh! and Ragner…..welcome back. You were missed.

Chris Broe

March 26th, 2009
4:50 pm

There’s pro-life. There’s pro-abortion.

There’s pro-death. There’s pro-clone.

Wooten is so pro-death on death row, he’d execute a man just for birthin a cloned murderer scum guy person thing…..LADY!

"Charles", The Original

March 26th, 2009
4:54 pm

Most decisions with respect to life and death are not easily discernable, black or white. They often appear in an assortment of shades thereby presenting the possibility of human error.

There is nothing more complex than a human being. If we look at the State of Israel versus the Palestinians, you would think that the severe punishment the Palestinians endure from day to day at the hands of the Israelis would produce a favorable outcome. And vice versa, you would think the resistance, suicide bombing etc., will produce favorable results for the Palestinians. It just doesn’t work that way in the real world. Suicide bombers are spawned from seemingly worthwhile punishment. And seemingly worthwhile punishment is spawn from suicide bombers. You find yourself in a vicious cycle.

If you are a consummate politician, you are ever mindful of the risk of inflicting seemingly worthwhile punishment upon a populace in the name of justice. Often times, the results won’t be what’s desired.

@@

March 26th, 2009
5:01 pm

PoliFore:

It does tend to get all convoluted, don’t it?

Kinda makes me wish the government had stopped at…..what was it you used to say?

“Halo….I’m not really here to help you — just complicate your “life’s issues”.

Rush Limbaugh For President

March 26th, 2009
5:11 pm

Tray, Tray, Tray, didn’t you read that there is no evidence that the death penalty deters crime? Of course not. That’s just a lie of the mainstream media.

Tray, Tray, Tray, didn’t you know the justice makes a lot of mistakes and innocent people could be executed?

Don’t you know it is a complete contradiction to say you are pro-life and then say I am for the death penalty? To believe otherwise suggests that you possess some sort of moral superiority in your logic.

You are so typical. So mis-guided but so typical.

Davo

March 26th, 2009
5:14 pm

Chris Broe

March 26th, 2009
5:27 pm

Just read this, don’t stop.

Advancing Einstein’s insights: Einstein’s theories all require an observer. His “ride the beam of light” thought experiments actually require the observer to stand out in front of the light, being there first to catch the light on which to ride. By introducing an observer to a photon of light, Einstein is making a presumption about the universe and man’s place in it. He’s making assumptions about the big bang and the creation. By using the relative motion of an observer, it doesn’t matter what the thought experiment is. Einstein is saying that man was there at the creation, or it couldn’t have happened the way it did. By introducing an observer into the premises of his theories, Einstein is presuming a conclusion in those premises and thus must necessarily be wrong, (unless he’s right, and logic is a Newtonian-derived construct of man too, and doesn’t apply to quantum theory, in which case I’m totally fooked).

Actually, quantum theory allows for a theory to be correct with the same probability that it might be wrong.

Author’s note: The preceding was stolen from the Scarecrow’s first published set of papers after he got a brain.

Glenn

March 26th, 2009
5:37 pm

About 10 years ago, after the State of Florida executed a man for gunning down an abortionist, Dennis Miller’s comment was: “You see, in Florida they kill people for killing people for killing people!”

Jackie

March 26th, 2009
5:39 pm

Today’s topic is another diversionary tactic.
When will there be substantial discussion relative to the the dictatorship employed by Dubya.

If anything, there should be major discussion about President Obama and his decision to stop the Justice Department from investigating the unlawful conduct of the previous administration. Criminality was rampant.

Elephant Whip

March 26th, 2009
5:45 pm

Pro-death-penalty Christians:

In Christian theology, all humans warrant the eternal death penalty; they are all 100% guilty of mortal sin (not guilty “beyond a reasonable doubt”). God, applying his perfect law (without forgiveness), would be completely justified in condemning every human to eternal death. But what does he do? He offers salvation through Christ. If one acknowledges one’s guilty before God and believes and accepts the person of Christ, his acts, his teachings, his crucifiction and resurrection, then one is spared the eternal death penalty (and blessed with eternal life in God’s presence).

Now, if God is so reluctant to apply his death penalty without providing a way to be redeemed, why should humans, who, under Christian theology, are imperfect and evil, exercise a mortal death penalty on another humans?

Further, if you indeed believe in salvation and forgiveness, why would you support the execution of people who clearly need both? Why not protect society from them and give them the opportunity to accept Christ and seek forgiveness?

@@

March 26th, 2009
5:49 pm

That’s my Dennis! Not afraid to say that unborn babies are people too.

Dennis is the kinda guy that would have his name changed to Zygote so that he could name his son Zygote, Jr.

Are you kidding?

March 26th, 2009
5:55 pm

Umm…every hardcore right-winger in the General Assembly supports this bill. Why are you against it? It increases the possible penalties in non-death penalty case while keeping them the same in death penalty cases.

What are you whining about? This is a TOUGH ON CRIME law moron. It passed164-0 in a Republican dominated legistlature! As a right winger, I’m annoyed that the AJC put you forth as representative of our views. Please, do the cause a favor and step down from your bully pulpit.

Bill Seawright

March 26th, 2009
5:56 pm

Capital punishment was never intended to be a deterrant; it is punishment, pure and simple.
People who lie to get on a jury should receive the same punishment. They have no conscience; no morals. They are self-righteous”expletive, deleted’s”

@@

March 26th, 2009
5:58 pm

Elephant:

Please see my 12:49 for scripture.

The only way I can justify the death penalty is in my belief that there is opportunity to redeem life after death.

Elephant Whip

March 26th, 2009
6:00 pm

Redemption of life after death? What is the scriptural reference for that?

Glenn

March 26th, 2009
6:03 pm

Elephant Whip,

The Creator does not countenance his children’s cruelty toward one another. Christ said that who blasphemes the Father shall be forgiven, and who blasphemes the Son, likewise shall be forgiven, but whosoever blasphemes the Holy Spirit of our kinship and care for one another shall never be forgiven. To commit murder is “acedia”, the willful suicide of the soul. It cannot be forgiven.

Glenn

March 26th, 2009
6:07 pm

Elephant Whip,

The resurrection of Lazarus is the story of a divine promise of the possibility of redemption after death, even for those who did not die in Christ.

Selah.

@@

March 26th, 2009
6:08 pm

Elephant:

We’ve already been redeemed through His sacrifice. For life eternal we must acknowledge that truth.

All throughout The New Testament is tells you where hope has been stored up for you

….and pssssstttt! It ain’t in the Oval Office.

@@

March 26th, 2009
6:14 pm

Something else I wanted to mention. Last Sunday our pastor asked those who had murdered to raise their hand. Of course, nobody did but then he asked “Are you sure about that? Have you ever done anything to destroy The Holy Spirit within someone? That’s murder of a sort.”

I’m sitting there thinking “No, I’ve never done that……but I know a whole bunch of liberals who have.”

@@

March 26th, 2009
6:17 pm

Whoops! I see Glenn has already addressed The Holy Spirit. Of course, he did it without pointing any fingers. I wasn’t so kind.

My bad.

Peter

March 26th, 2009
6:45 pm

Hey @@……What a bunch a baloney you wrote……

@@

March 26th, 2009
6:14 pm

Something else I wanted to mention. Last Sunday our pastor asked those who had murdered to raise their hand. Of course, nobody did but then he asked “Are you sure about that? Have you ever done anything to destroy The Holy Spirit within someone? That’s murder of a sort.”

I’m sitting there thinking “No, I’ve never done that……but I know a whole bunch of liberals who have.”

I guess you are perfect and never ever, ever, ever your whole life…… hurt someone’s feeling for sure….and on top of it it seems you cannot be “Judgmental” at all ?

Well with exception of the last silly statement…….I’m sitting there thinking “No, I’ve never done that……but I know a whole bunch of liberals who have.”

A Hypocrite is more like the scenario ! HA HA HA…….. the stuff you pontificate is purely Baloney !

Don’t start any Religious stuff, and end being Judgmental……. Hypocrites do that !

Baloney to the end……..!!!!

@@

March 26th, 2009
6:51 pm

JAY BOOKMAN:

FRONT AND CENTER, BUDDY! WHAT THE HECK IS GOIN’ ON WITH THIS REFRESH THINGY WHERE POSTS DISAPPEAR AND REAPPEAR?

I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION.

@@

March 26th, 2009
6:54 pm

Peter:

I value your opinion with mustard.

~~~~~~~~~~OO~~~~~~~~

These sites are so screwed up. That 6:51 was posted while on Bookman’s site.

Apologies!

@@

March 26th, 2009
7:01 pm

and Peter, if you’ll note I acknowledged my shortcomings.

I’m sure I have hurt people’s feelings by telling them what they did not want to hear.

In all honesty, however, I can say that my hurt feelings are short-lived because The Holy Spirit dwells within. Forgiveness is easy for me.

steve-o

March 26th, 2009
7:08 pm

Wooten, I thought you were pro-life. If you are truly pro-life then you are not only against abortion but also capital punishment (and euthenizing the terminally ill). Pro-life means you feel that man does not have the right to choose when a life ends. Only God does. And the act of murder does not change this. If you separate the issues and say the unborn deserves protection but not a grown person you see as evil then you are a cafeteria pro-lifer and and a hypocrite. You are assuming you have the power of God to decide which life is more valuable. If you are pro-death penalty then don’t lecture me about abortion. I have no use for you.

Da Hamma

March 26th, 2009
7:29 pm

“Today’s topic is another diversionary tactic. When will there be substantial discussion relative to the the dictatorship employed by Dubya.” –Jackie

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Jackie revels in being an idiot, like all the libtards here. Let’s see, where do we start: power to control and take over corporations; power to control media access; power to expand power; power to control people’s income. Power ALL brought to you by stateism.

Bush? No. Obama. The far right is anarchy and no governance. The far left is total control by governence. And this absolute LIBTARD named “Jackie” wants to yap about Bush’s psuedo dictatorship. Liberalism is a sickness. SICK-ness.

Da Hamma

March 26th, 2009
7:44 pm

Oh, and pinko moonbat Jackie, I’m sure there are plenty of Arrest Bush websites out there for trash on the left like you to defecate your brain material on. May I suggest starting with the Huffington Post or Daily Kos?

American

March 26th, 2009
7:46 pm

It sickens me that our society has become so soft-hearted toward obvious criminals . . like Nichols. Maybe when some of these soft-hearted people have a love one brutally murdered they will think twice about life in prison. The death penalty does stop crime . . it stops the one who committed it form doing it again. Too many folks worry about innocent people being sentence to death . . I worry too much about guilty ones walking free!!! Most of those “innocent” people have usually committed other crimes and hang out with questionnable people . . or else they would be charged to begin with.

Glenn

March 26th, 2009
8:18 pm

I’m with @@: what’s the explanation for all the devoured and flitting posts? But for my respect for Mr. Wooten I’d sooner quit this messed up site than continue to beat my head against it. I tried three times to send a perfectly convivial message to Elephant Whip, rewriting each time and each time getting whipped.

What goes?

Dusty

March 26th, 2009
9:57 pm

Well, first,

I am glad Ragnar is back. He surely is quiet. I hope you haven’t been sick, Ragnar. Spring fever?

As to the death penalty, everytime I read some horrible killing of a child or some innocent victim I feel like saying “Vengence is Mine! Kill the killer!” If it were my family, I would probably try to kill them myself.

But..thinking about cooly and calmly executing someone, I am not sure I could do it myself. We pay others to end the life of murderers. Maybe most of us could pull the switch or set the IV line. But it does stir something in my mind that says “Are you sure that is right?”

So, I “wobble”. I want the killers dead but how it should be done and what is justice???

I read last week that an old man in his late eighties was going to be sent back to Germany for punishment for his horrendous guard duty in a concentration camp during Holocaust times. Justice may be slow but it usually hapens one way or another. Jeffry Dahmer was killed in prison. I don’t know why this is pertinant but if we continue the death penalty, let it be with thorough justice. With or without it, punishment will come sooner or later in one form or another..
____

@@ ..I stopped using “refresh” with the new set up. Seems to help. Finding something after the first 100 comments gets to be a bother when one is in and out of the blog. But I don’t think I have lost any posts.

I can think of a “lost list” of a few here I’d like to see disappear but you and Glenn would not be on it.

Jackie

March 26th, 2009
10:05 pm

@ Da Hamma

How would you know that I am trash unless you are trash yourself.
I would be remiss to think that those like yourself, who are purported to be intelligent have learned that you do not speak of what you do not know.

Now, if you can read past the 3rd grade level and are able to comprehend what has been written, Dubya and Cheyney admitted to war-crimes. Now, refute that SLOW-MOTION!

Jackie

March 26th, 2009
10:12 pm

@ Da Hamma

As usual, you have a severe case of diarrhea of lip. You and your thought process is much like one of the James Brown songs; “Talkin’ Loud and Saying Nuthin;.”

How do YOU defend the fact the Dubya admitted to spying on American citizens in America? He may have read your e-mails. Is that Constitutional, albeit, legal?

Secondly, President Obama has been in office for 2 months and has brought more calmness and governance to this country than Dubya has in 8 years.

Tell us, were you part of the Dubya administration? What was your position, chamber-boy?

Dusty

March 26th, 2009
10:35 pm

Jackie,

Why don’t you go to bed and get some sleep?

You libs keep trying but you can’t make something out of nothing.

There is no crime. There is no indictment. Bush and Cheney served this country with ethics and honesty.

Relax, now, and try to get untwisted. If that doesn’t work, try the VA Hospital.

Tomorrow is another day. I’m gone…

Powerful

March 26th, 2009
11:16 pm

Powerful posts lovelyliz; POWERFUL posts

Jackie

March 26th, 2009
11:52 pm

@ Dusty

Why don’t you go play in the traffic. You so-called conservatives still cling to the notion that Dubya is a hero. I say he is a criminal.

Glenn

March 27th, 2009
5:06 am

Enter your comments here

Dave

March 27th, 2009
7:26 am

It’s actually cheaper to keep an inmate in prison for life that to seek the death penalty due to the enormous legal costs.

Peter

March 27th, 2009
9:38 am

Hey @@…….. I don’t care what you think either……….. BUT your posts show a guy who goes to church on Sunday, and obviously needs it !

It would be nice if you actually practiced your Religious belief’s during the week day !

April

March 27th, 2009
4:08 pm

Well I don’t know about ya’ll but I definitely do not support the death penalty. All you christians, God put us all here and gave us life so who are we as humans to even think that we can take that away. God decides when you will leave this earth and is the only one who should have the power to do so. That goes for the murderer, too. He/she has no right whatsoever to take a human life, but we do not have the right to take his. You know what they say about what goes around comes around. God is the sole person responsible for punishing them. They will get what is coming to them in time and God will make sure of that. Even if it doesn’t happen in this lifetife, they will forever pay for it in Hell. True, if someone murdered my family member i’d prolly consider the death penalty, but i wouldnt choose it for them. If you wanna even look at it from a revengeful point of view… think about it dying is just dying. Those few minutes or w/e of pain that they’ll feel from that electricution is nothing compared to the emotional,physical,and mental pain and stress they’ll feel. There are some sickos out there who aren’t afraid of dying. You give them the death penalty and they just laugh it off. They’re proud of they’re “work”. However spending the rest of their life in a jail cell will drive them crazy. So I don’t think justice is taking a life. They’ll suffer more in prison anyway.

REPUBLICANS EVIL TIME IS UP

March 29th, 2009
9:47 pm

BRIAN NICHOLS KILLED 4 PEOPLE YES HE DESERVES DEATH!

BUSH-CHEANY KILLED 1 MILLION IRAQIS IN A ILLEGAL WAR,SO WHAT DO THEY DESERVE?

YOU CANT EDUCATE PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL MAD THAT THEY LOST THE CIVIL WAR,JUST LIKE THEY TELL BLACKS TO GET OVER SLAVERY,AND THE INDIANS LAND BEING TAKEN OR THE JEWS BEING KILLED BY HITLER.
BUT THE JOHNNY REBS CANT GET OVER THE CIVIL WAR THAT THE SOUTH LOST.

Natasha

March 30th, 2009
11:16 am

I agree with April. I think that it is WRONG to try to take someone’s life. Who are we to think that we have the power to kill someone.It is not up to us to judge when someone’s time on this earth is up. God is the only one with that power and responsibility. My friend Kim agrees too.

Nemesis

April 1st, 2009
8:47 pm

David McDade, DA of Douglas County, stated that this bill was the number one item on the prosecutor’s legislative agenda. McDade is many things: soft on crime is not one of them. This bill will allow prosecutors to get life without parole without the expense or procedural requirements of a death penalty case. It will also be a club to allow prosecutors to force pleas to life to avoid a life without parole sentence in non-death penalty murder cases. Many defense attorneys oppose if, if it makes you feel better.

Lovelyliz,

Nice to see someone remembers Johnny D McMillian. Thanks for your posts..

its me captain crunch

November 23rd, 2009
10:12 pm

all of you guys have absolutley no lives for one gregg you cant stop fighting with all of these peaceful poeple and the death penalty is whats up. do you think these killers are gonna do it if they know there gonna get killed anyway????