Slow-death capital punishment affirmed

Georgia effectively ended capital punishment Wednesday — the capital punishment by lethal injection, anyway — in approving an easier route to life without parole.  The House vote was 164-0. The bill had already passed the Senate so it goes now to Gov. Sonny Perdue for his signature.

This means, of course, that Georgia will pass from one generation to the next an aging population of murderers too evil to live free as wards of the state until the end of their natural lives.  The public wants them dead, but lacks the stomach, and therefore the will, to return death penalty verdicts.   Too, some prospective jurors flat-out opposed to capital punishment lie their way onto juries where they deadlock the panel, no matter the evidence  The case that effectively ended the minutes-long form of capital punishment in Georgia was that of Brian Nichols, the mass murderer who killed an Atlanta judge and three others.

Under existing law, a District Attorney had to seek the death penalty before a murderer could be given the sentence of life without parole. That’s expensive and it requires competent, well-prepared prosecutors and honest jurors.  The bill passed Wednesday allows DAs to ask for life without parole without having first to seek the death penalty.  DAs and capital punishment opponents both supported it.

The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, State Rep. Rich Golick (R-Smyrna), said the change will allow victims’ families to have "closure."  Right now they’re jerked around mercilessly.

The good news is that Georgia still has the death penalty for those who are truly evil.  The bad news is that getting there will require half a century or more, during which time the security, room and board and medical and nursing care are on your tab — and that of the victims’ families.

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@@

March 26th, 2009
3:14 pm

Peter:

Would the program include the “Don’t try this at home” warning?

"Charles", The Original

March 26th, 2009
3:21 pm

The Senate and the House have made the right decision in respect to abolishing capital punishment. Hopefully the governor will soon follow suit.

The nation should turn its attention on the plight of unborn babies. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that abortion is unconstitutional. We should abolish the death penalty in all of its dimensions…

Peter

March 26th, 2009
3:38 pm

Hey @@

Peter:

Would the program include the “Don’t try this at home” warning?

Why ?……. If you killed someone at home that would be Murder, and you would end up on the Program.

I actually think it would be fun…it would be an eye for an eye type of thing….my favorite part would be if you killed someone say with your car……. as a drunk driver…..

Then they could use a similar car and run you down, say in a big parking lot and film it.

You shot someone, then you get shot…….. You stabbed someone to death, you get stabbed.

Reality TV would be a true reality, and folks dying in horror, may just get other folks to think twice about doing this to other folks !

REPUBLICANS EVIL TIME IS UP

March 26th, 2009
3:40 pm

REMEMEBER REDNECK CONVERT ITS NOT JUST THE WHITES AND BLACKS IN THE SOUTH ANYMORE SO WHEN YOU SAY LET THE GOOD OLE BOYS GO OUT AND COMMIT KLAN JUSTICE THE ARABS INDIANS HISPANICS JEWS ASIANS AND BLACKS SUPPOSE TO JUST LET THE REDNECK NEO-NAZI CONSERVATIVE LET LOOSE THEIR STREET KLAN JUSTICE LIKE THE 1800-1900S,ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

CONSERVATIVE JUSTICE IS BLIND DRUNK AND FALSE JUSTICE.

LIKE IN COBB COUNTY WHEN THE REDNECK CONSERVATIVES HUNG A JEW BY THE NAME OF LEO FRANK WHO WAS INNOCENT,SO IS THIS THE GOOD OLE BOY JUSTICE WE WANT IN THE SOUTH,CAUSE REMEMEBER DIXIE EVERY TIME YOU TRY TO RISE UP YOU GET SLAPPED AND KNOCKED BACK DOWN.

P.S. REMEMEBER LEO FRANK.
LEO FRANK
LEO FRANK
LEO FRANK
VICTIM OF SO-CALLED GOOD OLE BOY DIXIE LYNCHING JUSTICE!

Tray

March 26th, 2009
3:46 pm

You know, it’s very easy to be anti-abortion (the second comment this morning), and for the death penalty, and here’s how since your government education doesn’t teach you to think freely: Uh, this guy murdered people in cold blood to save his own skin (kill him). Uh, this baby didn’t harm anyone, why should we kill it??

Still don’t get it?? I knew you voted for Obama!

For everyone else out there with a brain, you may agree that the ONLY way to deter crime is to make the punishment worthwhile. The problem with the U.S. today is that there are too many whiners and complainers, and government only pleases them to shut them up, not because they really care (when in YOUR life has the govt. cared about anything but themselves and their power). All that’s happened here is the govt. got involved, and now the rime rate will continue to increase, especially now that it’s known you can kill people here and you won’t be put to death. Sad sad times for us all…and PrezBo isn’t helping anything at all!

Moral Calculus

March 26th, 2009
3:50 pm

As Mr Wooten points out, it is expensive to incarcerate prisoners for life (although, given the cost of appeals, not as expensive as putting them to death.)

So tell us, conservatives: how much is a human life worth? In dollars and cents? You can, of course prorate the price based on age, size, and ethnicity (poor black child, fat Southern Baptist white male, wiry teenage Hispanic, etc.).

Note that we proud secular progressive humanists also accept Euros …

Copyleft

March 26th, 2009
4:04 pm

Actually, the insurance industry has been answering that question for a long time now–not that anyone should agree with them!

Tray: “you may agree that the ONLY way to deter crime is to make the punishment worthwhile.”

Certainly you may. You’d be wrong, of course, but you may say that all you like.

@@

March 26th, 2009
4:23 pm

Peter:

Since the thought of committing a violent crime has never crossed my mind, I’ll pass on the pay-per-view.

Moral Calculus:

How about the value of a human body — one that has committed a crime against an innocent. It appears to be around $8.00

DID YOU KNOW?

The Nazis, during the Holocaust, used human skin as a substitute for leather in the manufacture of lampshades and shoes, among other things.

…and whose skin was used? People who were guilty of nothing more than being Jewish.

@@

March 26th, 2009
4:31 pm

Let’s all take a look at who it was that inspired Adolph Hitler to exterminate the undesireables.Planned Parenthood’s own…?

If you guessed Margaret Sanger, you’re right.

@@

March 26th, 2009
4:37 pm

Oh! and Ragner…..welcome back. You were missed.

Chris Broe

March 26th, 2009
4:50 pm

There’s pro-life. There’s pro-abortion.

There’s pro-death. There’s pro-clone.

Wooten is so pro-death on death row, he’d execute a man just for birthin a cloned murderer scum guy person thing…..LADY!

"Charles", The Original

March 26th, 2009
4:54 pm

Most decisions with respect to life and death are not easily discernable, black or white. They often appear in an assortment of shades thereby presenting the possibility of human error.

There is nothing more complex than a human being. If we look at the State of Israel versus the Palestinians, you would think that the severe punishment the Palestinians endure from day to day at the hands of the Israelis would produce a favorable outcome. And vice versa, you would think the resistance, suicide bombing etc., will produce favorable results for the Palestinians. It just doesn’t work that way in the real world. Suicide bombers are spawned from seemingly worthwhile punishment. And seemingly worthwhile punishment is spawn from suicide bombers. You find yourself in a vicious cycle.

If you are a consummate politician, you are ever mindful of the risk of inflicting seemingly worthwhile punishment upon a populace in the name of justice. Often times, the results won’t be what’s desired.

@@

March 26th, 2009
5:01 pm

PoliFore:

It does tend to get all convoluted, don’t it?

Kinda makes me wish the government had stopped at…..what was it you used to say?

“Halo….I’m not really here to help you — just complicate your “life’s issues”.

Rush Limbaugh For President

March 26th, 2009
5:11 pm

Tray, Tray, Tray, didn’t you read that there is no evidence that the death penalty deters crime? Of course not. That’s just a lie of the mainstream media.

Tray, Tray, Tray, didn’t you know the justice makes a lot of mistakes and innocent people could be executed?

Don’t you know it is a complete contradiction to say you are pro-life and then say I am for the death penalty? To believe otherwise suggests that you possess some sort of moral superiority in your logic.

You are so typical. So mis-guided but so typical.

Davo

March 26th, 2009
5:14 pm

Chris Broe

March 26th, 2009
5:27 pm

Just read this, don’t stop.

Advancing Einstein’s insights: Einstein’s theories all require an observer. His “ride the beam of light” thought experiments actually require the observer to stand out in front of the light, being there first to catch the light on which to ride. By introducing an observer to a photon of light, Einstein is making a presumption about the universe and man’s place in it. He’s making assumptions about the big bang and the creation. By using the relative motion of an observer, it doesn’t matter what the thought experiment is. Einstein is saying that man was there at the creation, or it couldn’t have happened the way it did. By introducing an observer into the premises of his theories, Einstein is presuming a conclusion in those premises and thus must necessarily be wrong, (unless he’s right, and logic is a Newtonian-derived construct of man too, and doesn’t apply to quantum theory, in which case I’m totally fooked).

Actually, quantum theory allows for a theory to be correct with the same probability that it might be wrong.

Author’s note: The preceding was stolen from the Scarecrow’s first published set of papers after he got a brain.

Glenn

March 26th, 2009
5:37 pm

About 10 years ago, after the State of Florida executed a man for gunning down an abortionist, Dennis Miller’s comment was: “You see, in Florida they kill people for killing people for killing people!”

Jackie

March 26th, 2009
5:39 pm

Today’s topic is another diversionary tactic.
When will there be substantial discussion relative to the the dictatorship employed by Dubya.

If anything, there should be major discussion about President Obama and his decision to stop the Justice Department from investigating the unlawful conduct of the previous administration. Criminality was rampant.

Elephant Whip

March 26th, 2009
5:45 pm

Pro-death-penalty Christians:

In Christian theology, all humans warrant the eternal death penalty; they are all 100% guilty of mortal sin (not guilty “beyond a reasonable doubt”). God, applying his perfect law (without forgiveness), would be completely justified in condemning every human to eternal death. But what does he do? He offers salvation through Christ. If one acknowledges one’s guilty before God and believes and accepts the person of Christ, his acts, his teachings, his crucifiction and resurrection, then one is spared the eternal death penalty (and blessed with eternal life in God’s presence).

Now, if God is so reluctant to apply his death penalty without providing a way to be redeemed, why should humans, who, under Christian theology, are imperfect and evil, exercise a mortal death penalty on another humans?

Further, if you indeed believe in salvation and forgiveness, why would you support the execution of people who clearly need both? Why not protect society from them and give them the opportunity to accept Christ and seek forgiveness?

@@

March 26th, 2009
5:49 pm

That’s my Dennis! Not afraid to say that unborn babies are people too.

Dennis is the kinda guy that would have his name changed to Zygote so that he could name his son Zygote, Jr.

Are you kidding?

March 26th, 2009
5:55 pm

Umm…every hardcore right-winger in the General Assembly supports this bill. Why are you against it? It increases the possible penalties in non-death penalty case while keeping them the same in death penalty cases.

What are you whining about? This is a TOUGH ON CRIME law moron. It passed164-0 in a Republican dominated legistlature! As a right winger, I’m annoyed that the AJC put you forth as representative of our views. Please, do the cause a favor and step down from your bully pulpit.

Bill Seawright

March 26th, 2009
5:56 pm

Capital punishment was never intended to be a deterrant; it is punishment, pure and simple.
People who lie to get on a jury should receive the same punishment. They have no conscience; no morals. They are self-righteous”expletive, deleted’s”

@@

March 26th, 2009
5:58 pm

Elephant:

Please see my 12:49 for scripture.

The only way I can justify the death penalty is in my belief that there is opportunity to redeem life after death.

Elephant Whip

March 26th, 2009
6:00 pm

Redemption of life after death? What is the scriptural reference for that?

Glenn

March 26th, 2009
6:03 pm

Elephant Whip,

The Creator does not countenance his children’s cruelty toward one another. Christ said that who blasphemes the Father shall be forgiven, and who blasphemes the Son, likewise shall be forgiven, but whosoever blasphemes the Holy Spirit of our kinship and care for one another shall never be forgiven. To commit murder is “acedia”, the willful suicide of the soul. It cannot be forgiven.

Glenn

March 26th, 2009
6:07 pm

Elephant Whip,

The resurrection of Lazarus is the story of a divine promise of the possibility of redemption after death, even for those who did not die in Christ.

Selah.

@@

March 26th, 2009
6:08 pm

Elephant:

We’ve already been redeemed through His sacrifice. For life eternal we must acknowledge that truth.

All throughout The New Testament is tells you where hope has been stored up for you

….and pssssstttt! It ain’t in the Oval Office.

@@

March 26th, 2009
6:14 pm

Something else I wanted to mention. Last Sunday our pastor asked those who had murdered to raise their hand. Of course, nobody did but then he asked “Are you sure about that? Have you ever done anything to destroy The Holy Spirit within someone? That’s murder of a sort.”

I’m sitting there thinking “No, I’ve never done that……but I know a whole bunch of liberals who have.”

@@

March 26th, 2009
6:17 pm

Whoops! I see Glenn has already addressed The Holy Spirit. Of course, he did it without pointing any fingers. I wasn’t so kind.

My bad.

Peter

March 26th, 2009
6:45 pm

Hey @@……What a bunch a baloney you wrote……

@@

March 26th, 2009
6:14 pm

Something else I wanted to mention. Last Sunday our pastor asked those who had murdered to raise their hand. Of course, nobody did but then he asked “Are you sure about that? Have you ever done anything to destroy The Holy Spirit within someone? That’s murder of a sort.”

I’m sitting there thinking “No, I’ve never done that……but I know a whole bunch of liberals who have.”

I guess you are perfect and never ever, ever, ever your whole life…… hurt someone’s feeling for sure….and on top of it it seems you cannot be “Judgmental” at all ?

Well with exception of the last silly statement…….I’m sitting there thinking “No, I’ve never done that……but I know a whole bunch of liberals who have.”

A Hypocrite is more like the scenario ! HA HA HA…….. the stuff you pontificate is purely Baloney !

Don’t start any Religious stuff, and end being Judgmental……. Hypocrites do that !

Baloney to the end……..!!!!

@@

March 26th, 2009
6:51 pm

JAY BOOKMAN:

FRONT AND CENTER, BUDDY! WHAT THE HECK IS GOIN’ ON WITH THIS REFRESH THINGY WHERE POSTS DISAPPEAR AND REAPPEAR?

I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION.

@@

March 26th, 2009
6:54 pm

Peter:

I value your opinion with mustard.

~~~~~~~~~~OO~~~~~~~~

These sites are so screwed up. That 6:51 was posted while on Bookman’s site.

Apologies!

@@

March 26th, 2009
7:01 pm

and Peter, if you’ll note I acknowledged my shortcomings.

I’m sure I have hurt people’s feelings by telling them what they did not want to hear.

In all honesty, however, I can say that my hurt feelings are short-lived because The Holy Spirit dwells within. Forgiveness is easy for me.

steve-o

March 26th, 2009
7:08 pm

Wooten, I thought you were pro-life. If you are truly pro-life then you are not only against abortion but also capital punishment (and euthenizing the terminally ill). Pro-life means you feel that man does not have the right to choose when a life ends. Only God does. And the act of murder does not change this. If you separate the issues and say the unborn deserves protection but not a grown person you see as evil then you are a cafeteria pro-lifer and and a hypocrite. You are assuming you have the power of God to decide which life is more valuable. If you are pro-death penalty then don’t lecture me about abortion. I have no use for you.

Da Hamma

March 26th, 2009
7:29 pm

“Today’s topic is another diversionary tactic. When will there be substantial discussion relative to the the dictatorship employed by Dubya.” –Jackie

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Jackie revels in being an idiot, like all the libtards here. Let’s see, where do we start: power to control and take over corporations; power to control media access; power to expand power; power to control people’s income. Power ALL brought to you by stateism.

Bush? No. Obama. The far right is anarchy and no governance. The far left is total control by governence. And this absolute LIBTARD named “Jackie” wants to yap about Bush’s psuedo dictatorship. Liberalism is a sickness. SICK-ness.

Da Hamma

March 26th, 2009
7:44 pm

Oh, and pinko moonbat Jackie, I’m sure there are plenty of Arrest Bush websites out there for trash on the left like you to defecate your brain material on. May I suggest starting with the Huffington Post or Daily Kos?

American

March 26th, 2009
7:46 pm

It sickens me that our society has become so soft-hearted toward obvious criminals . . like Nichols. Maybe when some of these soft-hearted people have a love one brutally murdered they will think twice about life in prison. The death penalty does stop crime . . it stops the one who committed it form doing it again. Too many folks worry about innocent people being sentence to death . . I worry too much about guilty ones walking free!!! Most of those “innocent” people have usually committed other crimes and hang out with questionnable people . . or else they would be charged to begin with.

Glenn

March 26th, 2009
8:18 pm

I’m with @@: what’s the explanation for all the devoured and flitting posts? But for my respect for Mr. Wooten I’d sooner quit this messed up site than continue to beat my head against it. I tried three times to send a perfectly convivial message to Elephant Whip, rewriting each time and each time getting whipped.

What goes?

Dusty

March 26th, 2009
9:57 pm

Well, first,

I am glad Ragnar is back. He surely is quiet. I hope you haven’t been sick, Ragnar. Spring fever?

As to the death penalty, everytime I read some horrible killing of a child or some innocent victim I feel like saying “Vengence is Mine! Kill the killer!” If it were my family, I would probably try to kill them myself.

But..thinking about cooly and calmly executing someone, I am not sure I could do it myself. We pay others to end the life of murderers. Maybe most of us could pull the switch or set the IV line. But it does stir something in my mind that says “Are you sure that is right?”

So, I “wobble”. I want the killers dead but how it should be done and what is justice???

I read last week that an old man in his late eighties was going to be sent back to Germany for punishment for his horrendous guard duty in a concentration camp during Holocaust times. Justice may be slow but it usually hapens one way or another. Jeffry Dahmer was killed in prison. I don’t know why this is pertinant but if we continue the death penalty, let it be with thorough justice. With or without it, punishment will come sooner or later in one form or another..
____

@@ ..I stopped using “refresh” with the new set up. Seems to help. Finding something after the first 100 comments gets to be a bother when one is in and out of the blog. But I don’t think I have lost any posts.

I can think of a “lost list” of a few here I’d like to see disappear but you and Glenn would not be on it.

Jackie

March 26th, 2009
10:05 pm

@ Da Hamma

How would you know that I am trash unless you are trash yourself.
I would be remiss to think that those like yourself, who are purported to be intelligent have learned that you do not speak of what you do not know.

Now, if you can read past the 3rd grade level and are able to comprehend what has been written, Dubya and Cheyney admitted to war-crimes. Now, refute that SLOW-MOTION!

Jackie

March 26th, 2009
10:12 pm

@ Da Hamma

As usual, you have a severe case of diarrhea of lip. You and your thought process is much like one of the James Brown songs; “Talkin’ Loud and Saying Nuthin;.”

How do YOU defend the fact the Dubya admitted to spying on American citizens in America? He may have read your e-mails. Is that Constitutional, albeit, legal?

Secondly, President Obama has been in office for 2 months and has brought more calmness and governance to this country than Dubya has in 8 years.

Tell us, were you part of the Dubya administration? What was your position, chamber-boy?

Dusty

March 26th, 2009
10:35 pm

Jackie,

Why don’t you go to bed and get some sleep?

You libs keep trying but you can’t make something out of nothing.

There is no crime. There is no indictment. Bush and Cheney served this country with ethics and honesty.

Relax, now, and try to get untwisted. If that doesn’t work, try the VA Hospital.

Tomorrow is another day. I’m gone…

Powerful

March 26th, 2009
11:16 pm

Powerful posts lovelyliz; POWERFUL posts

Jackie

March 26th, 2009
11:52 pm

@ Dusty

Why don’t you go play in the traffic. You so-called conservatives still cling to the notion that Dubya is a hero. I say he is a criminal.

Glenn

March 27th, 2009
5:06 am

Enter your comments here

Dave

March 27th, 2009
7:26 am

It’s actually cheaper to keep an inmate in prison for life that to seek the death penalty due to the enormous legal costs.

Peter

March 27th, 2009
9:38 am

Hey @@…….. I don’t care what you think either……….. BUT your posts show a guy who goes to church on Sunday, and obviously needs it !

It would be nice if you actually practiced your Religious belief’s during the week day !

April

March 27th, 2009
4:08 pm

Well I don’t know about ya’ll but I definitely do not support the death penalty. All you christians, God put us all here and gave us life so who are we as humans to even think that we can take that away. God decides when you will leave this earth and is the only one who should have the power to do so. That goes for the murderer, too. He/she has no right whatsoever to take a human life, but we do not have the right to take his. You know what they say about what goes around comes around. God is the sole person responsible for punishing them. They will get what is coming to them in time and God will make sure of that. Even if it doesn’t happen in this lifetife, they will forever pay for it in Hell. True, if someone murdered my family member i’d prolly consider the death penalty, but i wouldnt choose it for them. If you wanna even look at it from a revengeful point of view… think about it dying is just dying. Those few minutes or w/e of pain that they’ll feel from that electricution is nothing compared to the emotional,physical,and mental pain and stress they’ll feel. There are some sickos out there who aren’t afraid of dying. You give them the death penalty and they just laugh it off. They’re proud of they’re “work”. However spending the rest of their life in a jail cell will drive them crazy. So I don’t think justice is taking a life. They’ll suffer more in prison anyway.

REPUBLICANS EVIL TIME IS UP

March 29th, 2009
9:47 pm

BRIAN NICHOLS KILLED 4 PEOPLE YES HE DESERVES DEATH!

BUSH-CHEANY KILLED 1 MILLION IRAQIS IN A ILLEGAL WAR,SO WHAT DO THEY DESERVE?

YOU CANT EDUCATE PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL MAD THAT THEY LOST THE CIVIL WAR,JUST LIKE THEY TELL BLACKS TO GET OVER SLAVERY,AND THE INDIANS LAND BEING TAKEN OR THE JEWS BEING KILLED BY HITLER.
BUT THE JOHNNY REBS CANT GET OVER THE CIVIL WAR THAT THE SOUTH LOST.

Natasha

March 30th, 2009
11:16 am

I agree with April. I think that it is WRONG to try to take someone’s life. Who are we to think that we have the power to kill someone.It is not up to us to judge when someone’s time on this earth is up. God is the only one with that power and responsibility. My friend Kim agrees too.