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		<title>By: EFCA: Huh? &#171; Travis&#8217;s Thoughts</title>
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		<dc:creator>EFCA: Huh? &#171; Travis&#8217;s Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sally Bemis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/thinking-right/2009/03/12/employee-free-choice-act-how-to-kill-jobs/comment-page-2/#comment-530</link>
		<dc:creator>Sally Bemis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sick and tired of your worn out negative comments and I am fed up with you and your opinion of yourself that you know everything.  I am referring to your snide remark at the beginning of your article regarding President Obama and Congress putting us into another depression.  Let me refresh your memory, sir.  Your party ran this country right into the position where we now find ourselves, and you and your party do not even have the moral fiber to feel ashamed for your acts and deeds.  Instead, you have the audacity to open your mouths and spew comments that have absolutely no value.  Get this, sir, I and many other citizens of this country do not and will not listen to those who caused these problems.  You supposedly knew everything then also.  Oh, let&#039;s also not forget, former President Bush was in office when the first stimulus money was given out with absolutely no reporting requirements as to how the money was spent; another brilliant decision.  Just like the person who sells me a car that won&#039;t run, or the grocery that sells spoiled food, or the person who lies to me, I no longer give them my business and I certainly don&#039;t listen to what they have to say.  You and the Republican party lost your credibility and took 8 long years in proving how to lose it.  The voters told you loudly in November how they felt and what they wanted.  Unfortunately, once again, your were talking and couldn&#039;t hear above the deafening noise of your own voices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sick and tired of your worn out negative comments and I am fed up with you and your opinion of yourself that you know everything.  I am referring to your snide remark at the beginning of your article regarding President Obama and Congress putting us into another depression.  Let me refresh your memory, sir.  Your party ran this country right into the position where we now find ourselves, and you and your party do not even have the moral fiber to feel ashamed for your acts and deeds.  Instead, you have the audacity to open your mouths and spew comments that have absolutely no value.  Get this, sir, I and many other citizens of this country do not and will not listen to those who caused these problems.  You supposedly knew everything then also.  Oh, let&#8217;s also not forget, former President Bush was in office when the first stimulus money was given out with absolutely no reporting requirements as to how the money was spent; another brilliant decision.  Just like the person who sells me a car that won&#8217;t run, or the grocery that sells spoiled food, or the person who lies to me, I no longer give them my business and I certainly don&#8217;t listen to what they have to say.  You and the Republican party lost your credibility and took 8 long years in proving how to lose it.  The voters told you loudly in November how they felt and what they wanted.  Unfortunately, once again, your were talking and couldn&#8217;t hear above the deafening noise of your own voices.</p>
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		<title>By: Kamchak</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/thinking-right/2009/03/12/employee-free-choice-act-how-to-kill-jobs/comment-page-2/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>Kamchak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ cranky old man

 Thank you for a lucid, cogent argument that needed evey word that you used-- proving that two and a half bumper stickers of twittering is insuffficient in a civilized conversation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ cranky old man</p>
<p> Thank you for a lucid, cogent argument that needed evey word that you used&#8211; proving that two and a half bumper stickers of twittering is insuffficient in a civilized conversation</p>
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		<title>By: cranky old man</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/thinking-right/2009/03/12/employee-free-choice-act-how-to-kill-jobs/comment-page-2/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>cranky old man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Temp,

“The reduction in wages is simple economics. You have a large increase in available workers due to more women working, without a corresponding increase in the number of jobs. “
“As for off shoring, there is nothing sacred or special about the American worker. Why does a worker in India or China or the Philippines not have the same right to a job that you do? They work just as hard, have the same level of education and charge 1/3 the price. Why would I not offshore? Just as companies have to compete in the global economy, so do workers.”

Well, here are a few problems I see with that:
1.  Businesses are off-shoring, in part, to avoid having to obey safety and environmental regulations.  Even if such laws exist in the countries to which they export the jobs, they are often not enforced, either as a deliberate policy to lure businesses, or as a result of bribery.    Pollution, left unchecked, will eventually affect the entire planet.
2.  This practice does at least as much harm as good for most of the people living in the countries to which the factories are re-located.  Yes, I am aware that most Third World subsistence farmers would gladly take a job in a sweatshop working 12 hours per day with no break for $1.25 per hour, because it’s still better than subsistence farming.  But, as soon as the local economy starts to improve enough that the workers realize what they are missing and start agitating for better wages, the businesses re-locate yet again to the next untapped market of cheap labor, leaving the locals out of work, and now without their farms to go back to.
2.  These businesses have been built using the resources of the United States, much of it funded with our tax dollars.  Every business benefits from roads, bridges, canals, ports, law enforcement, fire departments, etc.  The workforce that built these businesses was educated in public schools.  The founder and the executives may have gone to college on the GI Bill.  And now, having taken what they can from our society, the businesses abandon their responsibilities to benefit a few fat cats at the top, leaving the workers who built the businesses unemployed and local economies devastated.  
3.  Something else I’ve noticed is that free trade fanatics seem to think it’s perfectly reasonable for businesses to take advantage of the difference in the cost of living to hire cheap labor.  But, apparently, it’s not okay for consumers to take advantage of these same differences.  Remember a year or two ago when there was such a stink about people getting drugs (the legal kind) from Canada because they were cheaper?  Oh, no, we can’t have that.  American consumers are our captive cash cows.  Another example is DVDs.  I found this out when my sister (who lives in Europe) sent my wife a DVD collection.  The DVDs won’t play on an American DVD player.  So we watched some of them on my laptop.  But guess what?  There is a limit to the number of times the software is allowed to switch back and forth between US and European compatible DVD formatting.  And I’m not talking about anti-piracy software.  These were legally purchased DVDs.  But, the thing is, due to the difference in the cost of living around the world, movie distributors who charge $20 in the US can only charge, say $4 in Indonesia.  So we have to prevent some industrious Indonesian entrepreneur from buying legal copies and shipping them back to the US to sell for $10 each.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Temp,</p>
<p>“The reduction in wages is simple economics. You have a large increase in available workers due to more women working, without a corresponding increase in the number of jobs. “<br />
“As for off shoring, there is nothing sacred or special about the American worker. Why does a worker in India or China or the Philippines not have the same right to a job that you do? They work just as hard, have the same level of education and charge 1/3 the price. Why would I not offshore? Just as companies have to compete in the global economy, so do workers.”</p>
<p>Well, here are a few problems I see with that:<br />
1.  Businesses are off-shoring, in part, to avoid having to obey safety and environmental regulations.  Even if such laws exist in the countries to which they export the jobs, they are often not enforced, either as a deliberate policy to lure businesses, or as a result of bribery.    Pollution, left unchecked, will eventually affect the entire planet.<br />
2.  This practice does at least as much harm as good for most of the people living in the countries to which the factories are re-located.  Yes, I am aware that most Third World subsistence farmers would gladly take a job in a sweatshop working 12 hours per day with no break for $1.25 per hour, because it’s still better than subsistence farming.  But, as soon as the local economy starts to improve enough that the workers realize what they are missing and start agitating for better wages, the businesses re-locate yet again to the next untapped market of cheap labor, leaving the locals out of work, and now without their farms to go back to.<br />
2.  These businesses have been built using the resources of the United States, much of it funded with our tax dollars.  Every business benefits from roads, bridges, canals, ports, law enforcement, fire departments, etc.  The workforce that built these businesses was educated in public schools.  The founder and the executives may have gone to college on the GI Bill.  And now, having taken what they can from our society, the businesses abandon their responsibilities to benefit a few fat cats at the top, leaving the workers who built the businesses unemployed and local economies devastated.<br />
3.  Something else I’ve noticed is that free trade fanatics seem to think it’s perfectly reasonable for businesses to take advantage of the difference in the cost of living to hire cheap labor.  But, apparently, it’s not okay for consumers to take advantage of these same differences.  Remember a year or two ago when there was such a stink about people getting drugs (the legal kind) from Canada because they were cheaper?  Oh, no, we can’t have that.  American consumers are our captive cash cows.  Another example is DVDs.  I found this out when my sister (who lives in Europe) sent my wife a DVD collection.  The DVDs won’t play on an American DVD player.  So we watched some of them on my laptop.  But guess what?  There is a limit to the number of times the software is allowed to switch back and forth between US and European compatible DVD formatting.  And I’m not talking about anti-piracy software.  These were legally purchased DVDs.  But, the thing is, due to the difference in the cost of living around the world, movie distributors who charge $20 in the US can only charge, say $4 in Indonesia.  So we have to prevent some industrious Indonesian entrepreneur from buying legal copies and shipping them back to the US to sell for $10 each.</p>
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		<title>By: zeke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/thinking-right/2009/03/12/employee-free-choice-act-how-to-kill-jobs/comment-page-2/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UNIONS ARE THE SOCIALIST SCOURGE OF A FREE SOCIETY! UNIONS ARE THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF THE BIG THREE ECONOMIC TROUBLE! THAT COUPLED WITH THE INSANE MANDATES PUT ON THEM BY OUR SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT WILL CONTINUE TO DEPLETE OUR ECONOMY! HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU THINK THAT A BUNCH OF SCUMBAG LAWYERS IN CONGRESS CAN DETERMINE THE BEST CAR TO MAKE, THE BEST OPTIONS TO PUT ON THAT CAR AND HOW TO MAGICALLY MAKE THAT CAR EFFICIENT, LOW COST, LESS POLLUTING AND STILL SELL IT TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT IT! STUPID POLITICOS WILL RUIN US COMPLETELY! THE BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION IS TO BAN ALL UNIONS BY CONSTITUTIONAL AMMENDMENT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UNIONS ARE THE SOCIALIST SCOURGE OF A FREE SOCIETY! UNIONS ARE THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF THE BIG THREE ECONOMIC TROUBLE! THAT COUPLED WITH THE INSANE MANDATES PUT ON THEM BY OUR SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT WILL CONTINUE TO DEPLETE OUR ECONOMY! HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU THINK THAT A BUNCH OF SCUMBAG LAWYERS IN CONGRESS CAN DETERMINE THE BEST CAR TO MAKE, THE BEST OPTIONS TO PUT ON THAT CAR AND HOW TO MAGICALLY MAKE THAT CAR EFFICIENT, LOW COST, LESS POLLUTING AND STILL SELL IT TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT IT! STUPID POLITICOS WILL RUIN US COMPLETELY! THE BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION IS TO BAN ALL UNIONS BY CONSTITUTIONAL AMMENDMENT!</p>
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		<title>By: REPUBLICANS EVIL TIMEISUP</title>
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		<dc:creator>REPUBLICANS EVIL TIMEISUP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JUST LIKE JIMBO AND HIS OLD REDNECK CREW WHO DONT WANT TO PAY AMERICANS THEIR FARE SHARE,WHO WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF THE UNIONS SO THAT THE GREEDY CEOS CAN SLAVE AMERICANS AT LOW WAGES.

THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE LIKE SUXBY PERDONT JOHNNY BOY PHIL GIMMY ARE ABOUT,THEY USE THE SOUTHERN IGNORANCE TO KEEP THE GOOD OLE BOYS AND GIRLS BROKE STUPID AND BLIND.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JUST LIKE JIMBO AND HIS OLD REDNECK CREW WHO DONT WANT TO PAY AMERICANS THEIR FARE SHARE,WHO WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF THE UNIONS SO THAT THE GREEDY CEOS CAN SLAVE AMERICANS AT LOW WAGES.</p>
<p>THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE LIKE SUXBY PERDONT JOHNNY BOY PHIL GIMMY ARE ABOUT,THEY USE THE SOUTHERN IGNORANCE TO KEEP THE GOOD OLE BOYS AND GIRLS BROKE STUPID AND BLIND.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaye</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/thinking-right/2009/03/12/employee-free-choice-act-how-to-kill-jobs/comment-page-2/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People can vent to the AJC and whine and moan, as if this really helps. Let your representatives hear from you and if they&#039;ve made legislative decisions that adversely affect your life, vote them out of office next time you have the opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People can vent to the AJC and whine and moan, as if this really helps. Let your representatives hear from you and if they&#8217;ve made legislative decisions that adversely affect your life, vote them out of office next time you have the opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Kamchak</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/thinking-right/2009/03/12/employee-free-choice-act-how-to-kill-jobs/comment-page-2/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>Kamchak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Broe 
While I feel the need to agree with you, your postings at 3:19,4:36,6:44 and 7:44 seem to exceed 25 words. Again someone telling me &quot;don&#039;t do as I do, do as I say do.&quot; That sentiment doesn&#039;t inspire trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Broe<br />
While I feel the need to agree with you, your postings at 3:19,4:36,6:44 and 7:44 seem to exceed 25 words. Again someone telling me &#8220;don&#8217;t do as I do, do as I say do.&#8221; That sentiment doesn&#8217;t inspire trust.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Broe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Broe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kamchuk, nobody understood a word you wrote.  Trust me on that one.  Distill your comment into one 25-word sentence.  I can.  

Can U?

Communication itself is at stake.  Try twittering.  You are forced to be brief.  They only allow 25 words or less.  It&#039;s the greatest thing to evolve from human communication.  And guess what?  I invented it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kamchuk, nobody understood a word you wrote.  Trust me on that one.  Distill your comment into one 25-word sentence.  I can.  </p>
<p>Can U?</p>
<p>Communication itself is at stake.  Try twittering.  You are forced to be brief.  They only allow 25 words or less.  It&#8217;s the greatest thing to evolve from human communication.  And guess what?  I invented it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Broe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Broe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was WAY too long-winded.  I meant not so much &quot;Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain&quot;, as, &quot;Pay no attention to what the Man&#039;s been saying about the man behind Iron Curtain.&quot;

&quot;It&#039;s the perceived threat of war that justifies facism, whether there exists a threat or not.&quot;  (W,  2002)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was WAY too long-winded.  I meant not so much &#8220;Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain&#8221;, as, &#8220;Pay no attention to what the Man&#8217;s been saying about the man behind Iron Curtain.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s the perceived threat of war that justifies facism, whether there exists a threat or not.&#8221;  (W,  2002)</p>
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