This bill holds illegals up to the same standards as the rest of us. Sorry to be the one to point that out, Carlos. You are no longer a citizen of Mexico, sir. So act like an American. I don’t care that people want to come into our country and enjoy freedom and capitalism – that’s the American dream. But when they force their way in – and don’t pay taxes, but still reap all the benefits – THAT is where I have a problem. If I don’t pay my taxes, the IRS will hunt me down and make my life a living hell.

But you have illegal aliens (of any country, not just Mexico) that sneak in, get paid cash under the table and PAY NOTHING BUT SALES TAX. But that doesn’t stop them from using the police, the fire department, the school systems, the hospitals, the prisons, the Food Stamp programs, OR any other TAXPAYER FUNDED SERVICES. You want rights? FINE, you have the right to PAY TAXES just like the rest of us. If not, then get out. Our country is TOO BROKE and in TOO MUCH DEBT to pay for anyone that’s not putting their shares into the pot.

However, Carlos Santana is defined as one of those evil “rich” people by his liberal buddies. So I guess he won’t mind paying more money to the government to cover his illegal amigos. Right, Carlos?! You gonna pick up the tab for them? Be sure to make that check out to the IRS. However, you’re gonna have to pay some late fees by now since it’s after April.

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@PJ, 12:19 pm post

Thank you! I wholeheartedly agree!

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It truly entertaining to see both side of the “racial profiling” debate. On one hand, Latinos don’t want this law or that law because it would be racial profiling. On the other hand, their advocates have no problem touting, Latinos are hard working, family people, have a picture of Jesus and John Kennedy hanging in the front rooms and really just want a better life. So, which way do you want it Latinos? Don’t want to be profiled as the largest invader of another country, stealing identities, fraudlent voting, mooching social services? Or is it OK to profile you as hard working, lovely people blah blah blah. So the media either needs to skip the Lationo advocates who push the envelope all over the place for just their race, or we need to face the facts. None of these people (advocates) including Carlos, know any of these people. No reference to maybe there are gang members, drug runners, people with criminal backgrounds, nope; all just wonderful family people who love God and want to live in this country peacefully. What a crock. America is a magnet to illegal aliens because they know they can get away with murder, and in some cases literally.

We have a law. We have immigration laws which hopefully still dictates a manner of immagration that would allow reasonable diversity. I don’t want to live in a branch of Mexico. I don’t want to speak Spanish in America by forced requirements. I don’t want to support people who have children because the Pope says they need more congregational members and money. I don’t want my schools overcrowded with children who do not speak English and require special education. I don’t want to pay for the illegals medical services when my own family suffers from lack of coverage because we pay so much in taxes (partially to support the needs of illegals) that we can’t afford decent insurance coverage. I don’t want my home value to plummet because illegals cram 5 families into one home and don’t give a rats rear end about maintaining the property. Although I’ve already been dinged because thousands of them got loans they shouldn’t have for homes they just walked away from. So Carlos, I’m sure you don’t have to worry about any of these issues, but I do. I’m not rich. I don’t get to “cut a record” everytime I need to buy a new home or go to the grocery store or send my kids to school. Besides, I don’t even know what your reference to “representing the human race” means. You want terriorist in our country? They too are human. You want every social sucking free loader the world has to offer in our country? Maybe you should go back to Mexico and see what you can do for your home country. They need some help there. We don’t need your kind of help.

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Maggie

Great Post!

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There’s no way I’m going to believe the U.S government can’t stop these people from crossing the border. If the people coming across the border were haitian they would find a way to secure our borders!

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Truthpaste…sorry, I must say I am not a frequent visitor of the so-called massage parlors on Buford Highway, so I guess I’ll just have to take your word on that one. Hopefully, this whole discussion will have a “happy ending” though.

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Maggie,

check this out

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html

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“A United States Department of Justice report which surveyed homicide statistics between 1974 and 2004 stated that of the crimes surveyed, 52.2% of the offenders were Black, 45.8% were White, and 2% were Other Races. Of the victims in those same crimes, 50.9% were White, 46.9% were Black, and 2.1% were Other Races. The report further stated that “most murders are intraracial” with 86% of White murders committed by Whites, and 94% of Black murders committed by Blacks.[20] However, the document does not provide any details concerning what races or ethnicities are included in the designations “White”, “Black”, or “Other Races”.
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Sorry but Hispanics are the least of your problems

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SP

May 16th, 2011
1:36 pm
Illegal immigrants DO pay taxes, I know this for a fact. If you think illegals are moochers, you are sadly mistaken. They clearly have better and stronger work ethic than any of the fat cats who voted for this lame bill. Congrats, Gov Deal and continuing to destroy the economy of Georgia and the U.S.!

Oh yeah, sure…they are probably ALL covered by fantastic private insurance plans, they pay enormous amounts in Property Taxes (majority of which is School tax), they NEVER receive SSi or any other Government Subsidy……BS!

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oh Please,

umm if they occupy a home, they are required to pay propety tax. At least someone will (landlord). Property tax is INCLUDED in your mortgage

Employers do take Social Security and Medicare, etc from their paycheck.

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Hey TRUTH…a little more logic for you on your Googled crime statistics: did it ever occur to you that crimes are, in part, solved because there are ways to identify the culprit (they have a known address, known fingerprints, known drivers license, or otherwise identifialbe means of finding them)? When you are skulking around here illegally, it is MUCH easier to stay under the radar. Plus, if there are documented 20 million illegals in this country, your statistics are already flawed because that is 20 million crimes right there.

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I have an idea. Why dont we just mirror our immigration laws to reflect those of Mexico where it is a FELONY to enter the country illegally and punishable by stiff sentences.Why isnt carlos in his own country talking about how racist HIS own people are. What a tool.

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I have to laugh at all these people getting all indignant and puffing about the taxes that illegals *might* pay on their criminal profits. Whether they pay taxes or not has diddley to do with anything (except for them committing tax fraud, of course). So…if drug dealers paid taxes on the drug profits, would we stop enforcing drug laws? If prostitutes 1099′d at the end of the year, would that legitimize the industry? Of course not. So whether taxes are levied on the profits of a few illegals is just another red herring. Another strawman from the pro-crime lobby intended to distract one from the issue at hand…the necessarily criminal activities of illegal aliens.

What *is* pertinent is that if the illegal is getting a paycheck, it is criminal profit…just like money from drugs, stolen cars, embezzelment, and fraud. In fact, it *is* fraud – which is another thing these whiners don’t talk about…the ancillary crimes associated with illegal immigration. Crimes like identity theft, forgery, human traffiking, serial frauds including document, credit, labor and tax fraud. Nobody says it, but we all know that the pro-crime lobby will refuse to allow their special interests to be held responsible for any of those crimes (though they’ve got no problem with an American citizen or legal immigrant being prosecuted to the full extent of the law). After all…the illegal is pooor and shouldn’t be expected to act with the same honesty and decency as those stupid morons who actually followed the law.

And since they’re so very poor and pitiful, (and even the ethnocentric pro-crime, pro-illegal immigration folks cannot defend criminality on this scope with any modicum of honesty) any attempt to hold illegals responsible for their actions will be met with (baseless) accusations of racism, xenophobia, and bigotry. To these folks, we should be ashamed for respecting the law and wanting an orderly, safe society to live in. This I refuse to do.

I am most sincerely NOT ashamed of respecting the law nor of asking for it to be enforced.

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Enter your comments here
People have to understand this is a law, how about being taken from your native land and force to live in a way that you are not accustom to .? Mr. Santana should be saying if i had to do it the legal way so should everyone else. Their is no excuse for being illegal . Mr. Santana should visit the homeless shelters and see how many American born families are in their because they can not find affordable housing because their is no room for them , Let him go to any apartment complex and in a two bedroom you will find 7 illegal .

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Hearing Santana talk about illegal immigrants is like listening to an alcoholic promoting Sunday alcohol sales.

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Here are immigratiion levels by country per year

Country Per Year
Mexico 175,900
China 50,900
Philippines 47,800
India 59,300
Vietnam 33,700
Cuba 14,800
El Salvador 33,500
Dominican Republic 24,900
Canada 24,200
Korea 17,900
The U.S. immigration policy clearly favors Mexico. If you add in illegals from Mexico
and the anchor babies the number of Mexicans coming to the U.S. is over 600000
per year. Carlos Santana cleary does not represent the human race he only
represents Mexicans. If he represented the human race he would be in favor of reducing
immigration from Mexico and increasing it from countries that are much poorer than Mexico.
There are at least 100 countries that are poorer than Mexico. Mexico has the 11th largest economy in the world. The majority of U.S immigration to the U.S is from non white countries so
If the immigration policies are racist they are anti – white.

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truth

May 16th, 2011
1:45 pm
umm if they occupy a home, they are required to pay propety tax. At least someone will (landlord). Property tax is INCLUDED in your mortgage

Employers do take Social Security and Medicare, etc from their paycheck.

Once again–if there are 10 families in this house, how much is collected in “property taxes”.
And if “Employers do NOT file their pay on PAYROLL, please tell me HOW they PAY Medicare and SS”? uuuummmm????

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Godawgs,

You have to come legally if you come overseas. You need papers (Visa, passport, work program, etc) to board a plane or vessel to the US.

Why wait years when it takes you 1-2 days?

I am sure if the US was surrounded by an ocean, illegal immigrants would be a very very small problem.

What I dont understand is why the US doesnt have the same restrictions against Canada.

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Oh Please,

10 families?? lol thats a bit much

I pay 3500k in property taxes but dont have any kids. I guess I am paying for illegal’s children to get an education which I dont mind. I rather have the money go there then to house the homeless or pointless bills GA passes.

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Carlos Santana- Everyone is free to say what they wish to say, including Carlos Santana. He has proven that he is no smarter than a Rhesus Monkey(sorry Rhesus Monkeys!).

To Dose of Reality- It is time to get over the whole “we are all illegal aliens” thing. Grow up, stop acting like a two year old. Millions of families emigrated here and followed all of the laws that were in place at that time. They learned to speak English, adopted the culture and became Americans. The illegal aliens are just that. Illegal. How about this for a suggestion, all of you that feel that these people should stay, have to adopt/sponsor them. You are responsible for paying for their education, healthcare, legal and whatever other expenses they incur and cannot afford. The American taxpayer bears none of the responsibility. Seem like a reasonable plan. Oh, wait, it doesn’t? It was okay up until you personally are put in a position to foot the bill. If we had secure borders and an actual Federal guest worker program, this wouldn’t be an issue.In addition, it is time for the Federal Government to actually enforce the true intent of the Fourteenth Amendment and eliminate the “Anchor Baby” loophole. Enough already.

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“I guess I am paying for illegal’s children to get an education which I dont mind.”

You ain’t smart is ya?

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WOW

truth is…not smart. LOL

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Oh Please!!!

He/She is a liar as well.

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I’ve never heard of Carlos Santana before this blog. And now I certainly don’t care to know him.
Maybe he should just leave the doors of his private home open for those who need a place to sleep or something to eat.

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HB 87 as it is written in GA is severely flawed and largely one-sided. How can Gov Deal sign a bill that doesn’t address the problem and offer alternatives to prevent the “problem.” This law will be blocked by the Federal government because there is the potential for racial profiling which we should all agree is “illegal”. So why support a law that isn’t enforced with one that is illegal if even partially is beyond me. Why support a law that would or could have the potential of cost more to implement that what is currently available…is beyond me HB 87 will levy a $250k fine and 15 year jail term well when last check the cost to simply house an inmate was nearly $22k a year so basically the state will lose money because this cost like everything else WILL rise especially if the facility is corporate own.

Next one cannot deny the value that illegal immigration has on our country every aspect of our lives is dependent on their work from the French fries you consume at McDonald’s to the fluffy pillow at your hotel the cot you enjoyed was subsidized by illegal immigration labor. Although there are roughly 15m Americans out of work “looking” for work. They type of labor intensive work that illegal immigrants do is not the type of work they are looking for. Because Americans have too much pride to be humble and the government is too generous with handouts there is no incentive to get back to work ANY kind of work so why bother looking.

And as far as taxes please don’t believe the hype of “they don’t pay taxes” you may as well believe they don’t eat and sleep. For anytime you purchase ANYTHING in Georgia from a car to a t-shirt at Wal-Mart whether you pay cash or credit one has to pay taxes if even on a local level. And local taxes (depending on your county in GA) support things like Education, Local Option (police fire and other misc. county level positions)) Special Option (for libraries, sidewalks bridges road paving etc) Marta (which goes towards MARTA general fund for public transportation) so the argument that they don’t pay taxes is 100% untrue.

Speaking of education one of our greatest exports after democracy is our educational system true it needs works and more funding but each year thousands of students are taught in our schools nationwide. So what better export can we offer than our education and values to the world. I see no benefit in kicking out a promising illegal immigrant student who goes to class and has promise vs keeping an unruly ungrateful brat with no yearning to be great.

And since the debate here is either for or against why hasn’t anyone suggested HOW to fix the problem. For it is apparent that our elected officials really “hear” us which is why we have HB 87 on the books. So why don’t we begin to offer suggestions to deal with the problem at hand? I suggest that GA create a guest worker program similar to what UTAH has (who also had part of their immigration law strike down as unconstitutional on the grounds of racial profiling…do you see a trend developing). This bill could become a great bill for GA to really step into the fore front by showing compassion and gratitude to those illegal immigrants here that want to call America (USA) their home. Why not ask the Federal government to help make the process more streamlined less political.

As far as them “breaking the law” we all have a traffic ticket or worse on our record so does that mean we should be deported because we didn’t obey the laws of the land? Or because you are born here that entitles you to dictate who go and who stays? Or because illegal immigrants weren’t born in this country does that decide the life they get to live?
As an American I am just shocked at times at how we treat illegal immigrants; some of us without realizing their true impact on our lives. As a human being they have a fundamental right a better life for themselves and their families. This is a country founded by immigrants…have some of you forgotten the words “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” at the feet of The Statue of Liberty
If we are a country that believes in God or a higher being then we know this “land” is not ours so the best we could do as stewards of this land is offer our best hospitality to those that need it. A lot of the worlds’ problems could be solved if we stopped hating our fellow man more than we love ourselves.

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