Making “Sense” of Expansion…

So I return from a family cruise in the Caribbean and all hades is breaking loose in college football.

Colorado bolts to the Pac 10, Boise State joins the Mountain West, and Nebraska jumps to the Big Ten(?).

The most interesting move there may actually be Boise State to the MWC.  Why?  Because that gives the MWC ten teams and shores up a conference that includes TCU, Utah, and BYU.  All three of those schools would have been potential Pac 10 or Big 12 targets…but the addition of Boise State to that league gives them a core of teams that can easily lobby for a BCS bid.  That reduces the likelihood that TCU, Utah, or BYU look elsewhere.

So if TCU and Utah are off the table as Big 12 replacements for Colorado and Nebraska what do the Texas and Oklahoma schools do?

This thing is getting to be a mess…and ironically, Notre Dame doesn’t really figure into the equation right now.  They may have sat idly by for too long, stroking their NBC contract and muttering “My Precious” under their breath.

Here’s what I’d like to see happen…

1) The Big Ten stops at 12 teams after adding Nebraska.  (They’ll need to finally rename their conference…)

2) The Pac 10 grabs BYU to join Colorado and become their 12th team.

3) The Big 12 grabs TCU and perhaps Utah / Houston / SMU.   (That might be an upgrade over their losses…honestly!)

4) The SEC, ACC, and Big East remain at 12 teams with no need to pillage or protect anything.

5) Notre Dame stays independent and out in the cold when their NBC contract comes up for renewal in the future.

The wrinkle here really is the Big 12.  If they cannot entice a TCU or Utah to come on board and backfill their losses then the Texas schools will likely look at the Big Ten while the Oklahoma schools look at the Pac 10.  The Big 12 would shatter irrevocably starting an arms race that would force the power conferences to all look at getting to 16 teams.

If that happens…all bets are off…

If the SEC feels pressured to expand there is a good chance they’ll look at a few ACC teams.  FSU and Clemson are the obvious choices.  GT is a long shot.  I don’t think VT and UVA would split. Would they grab schools close to Arkansas geographically?  What about Missouri or Kansas State?

The Big Ten is also likely to look at Maryland and Georgia Tech since both are AAU institutions and provide attractive TV markets for the Big Ten Network.

That would leave the ACC trying to poach from the Big East and Big 12.  Would they go after Kansas, Pitt, Syracuse, or WVU?

Then what does the Big East do?

This could get really crazy.  If the power conferences try to get to 16 teams then alot of old regional rivalries will get flushed in the interest of television money.

Personally I’m hoping that everyone pushes back from the table at 12 teams rather than rushing head long over the cliff into the abyss of total bedlam…

Go Jackets!

THWG!

75 comments Add your comment

pad

June 11th, 2010
9:39 pm

Chris,

You haven’t caught up on the latest:
- Pac-10 will expand to 16 teams picking up Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and OSU, possibly Texas A&M but they may be eyeing the SEC
- Big 10 will then need to expand to 16 teams picking up a few teams from the Big East and maybe ACC and … ND
- SEC is in pure reactionary mode and will panic and raid the ACC
- ACC and Big East will merge to form the forth super conference

- All of which will lead to an actual college football playoff scenario, with the four champions of the superconferences plus 4 at large bids

pad

June 11th, 2010
9:41 pm

oh, one more thing – the Big 12 will disolve

Joe

June 11th, 2010
10:18 pm

It all seems like a slow migration to make the conferences larger to gather up more money. Pretty soon it’ll take the NFL format, 2(Western and Eastern) conferences playing each other for the title.

GT fan

June 11th, 2010
10:28 pm

GT has to be part of the SEC or Big Ten. There is too much at stake to be left out on this. I would want them back in the SEC. It makes sense and I could see Ga state legislation getting involved. Tech needs the money.

GTBuzz

June 11th, 2010
10:47 pm

Just to catch you up, PAC10’s backup plan is Utah not BYU. Cal won’t allow religious schools into the conference. If A&M goes SEC, then the 16th PAC10 school would probably still be Utah or maybe Kansas.

NO to SEC

June 11th, 2010
11:11 pm

No thanks, the SEC is a football factory and no longer a good fit for Tech. Academics in the SEC are a joke. I hope the ACC stays put. If we have to go to 16 then add Pitt, WV, Syracuse and UConn. Finally have the North and South divisions. BC will have less travel burden. Basketball will be sick and we pick up presence in some very big markets. Pitt WV is a great rivalry in football and UConn Syracuse is the best hoops rivalry in the big east right now.

Remarkable

June 11th, 2010
11:24 pm

The SEC will NOT go for Fla.St. or Clemson. Maybe Georgia Tech and Louisville, but they would rather have Texas and A&M. Misouri is a long shot, kind of like Larry Drew as head basketball coach of the hawks.

Double M

June 11th, 2010
11:52 pm

Sorry to change the subject but, has Danny Hall been fired yet?

collegeballfan

June 12th, 2010
8:30 am

“…the abyss of total bedlam…”

Interesting phrase Chris. But it may turn out to be the correct phrase.

As a GT fan, but not graduate, I would agree that the Big 10 would be a better fit for GT. But would GT be a good fit for the Big 10?

“The Big Ten is the only Division I conference to have all of its member institutions affiliated with the Association of American Universities, a prestigious collection of more than 60 research institutions…” And GT is also a member. Maybe this helps.

Note that the Univ of Nebraska is also a member of the AAU.
As a side note – Notre Dame is not an AAU member. From the ACC Duke, GT, Maryland, UNC & UVa are members. From the SEC only Florida & Vandy.
Locally Emory is also a member. (Some folks would say the Big 10 is a conference of nerds, unaware that the nerds at Fla keep winning the SEC East year after year).

But GT is not geographically located within the Big 10 area. Nebraska is as it has a common border with Iowa. How important is this?

I would guess that a Big 10 – GT marriage would be a long shot.

Sugar Hill Dawg

June 12th, 2010
9:06 am

Chris – I agree, everyone should stop and take a deep breath. However, if expansion is inevitable, the the SEC would have no option other than expand. As a UGA grad, I’m torn regarding the Jackets. As I recall, Tech (I imagine really Coach Dodd) left the SEC due to disgust (something to do with Bear Bryant) and greed (Tech had to share bowl revenue as a conference member, not so as an independent). Fine – everyone must decide a course of action that best suits their needs. I’m a big believer in the “Fool me once” philosophy, so Tech’s made their bed – enjoy. On the other hand, as a native Southerner, Tech and ACC never sounded right to me. As best as I can figure, the expansion moves revolve around one issue and only one issue – TV $$$. Bringing Tech, Clemson, FSU, etc. into the SEC doesn’t make sense to me. (Maybe FSU still has something of a national following, but I doubt it.) My view is Texas A & M, Missouri, Virginia Tech and a Carolina school (UNC obviously would be ideal, but I can’t imagine they’d leave Tobacco Road. I’m thinking NC State might want to take advantage of such a move.) would be about as good as it would get for the SEC. If the SEC takes FSU and Clemson instead, how does the ACC respond? Interesting times we live in. Go Dawgs!

Old Gold Britches

June 12th, 2010
9:07 am

It is all about revenue. The ACC will not expand just for the sake of expanding. It would be to stabilize a loss of a member or few members. If lucky it would be just to increase to a 16 team conference because the other majors keep expanding to 16 teams. Any schools added must not dilute the revenue pool per school unless there is no other option.

If they are available Pitt, WV, Syracuse and UConn would be great additions, but I think only 3 of the 4 would be positives for the TV revenue.

Old Tech fan in NC

June 12th, 2010
9:18 am

Is this expansion or grabbing?

CrackDaddy

June 12th, 2010
9:25 am

Give me Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn and Princeton for the ACC to round out our `16-team super conference.

Dan in Washington

June 12th, 2010
9:43 am

I appreciate some of the academic discussions regarding GT but I think people forget that money is behind this and will ultimately shape most of the conversation. Football revenue and TV markets are the key. GT to the SEC brings no new local cable system. Ditto for Clemson where SEC schools already serve the local markets. VT and Maryland bring DC (and VT brings Richmond and Norfolk), but Maryland is a modest football draw and founding member of ACC. I don’t see VT leaving after UVa got them into the ACC and reducing their BigEast travel budget for other sports was such a big deal. The NC schools only bring Charlotte and Raleigh markets and deep ties to the ACC. The Florida schools are intriguing – esp Miami – because they have a regional or national appeal. Florida might greenlight FSU over Miami because they already play them and reducing ACC exposure in the state would help.

Pitt and WV won’t be going to the ACC, as much out of snobbery as their TV markets. Syracuse and UCONN would be on the short list because of their TV markets and stronger academic profiles. Louisville is out for similar reasons.

My hope is the Big 12 stabilizes, ND finally goes to the Big 10, and the SEC and ACC stand pat. Unortunately, my fear is that doesn’t look like it will happen.

mjw149

June 12th, 2010
10:27 am

Hey, guys, hate to burst your bubble, but the Big East is in better shape than the ACC for basketball, football and is similar for TV revenues. If any conference splits, it’s the ACC, their expansion flopped and that weakens the leadership’s credibility.

I’m with the author suggesting that Notre Dame has lost their status and is about to lose out on a prime conference membership deal.

If the Big 10 is smart, they won’t stop at 12. It’s clear that this ball is rolling, the SEC, Pac-10 and Big 10 area achieveing critical mass, and they should follow this through until it’s consolidated like the pro leagues. Then the playoffs will happen and they’ll all have their own channels.

Jacket Backer

June 12th, 2010
10:45 am

We don’t belong in the SEC and I for one hope that does not happen. Academics in the SEC are an afterthought at best and a complete joke, save Vandy. I do not want Tech to be associated with that conference in any way. I hope we join in with the Miami pres and say the ACC is where we belong!

Go Jackets!!

Mark R

June 12th, 2010
1:38 pm

The SEC may have to expand to at least 14, if not 16, teams simply because it appears the Pac-10 is going to force the issue.

Texas A&M would rather head to the SEC than the Pac-10 (they can still play Texas in one of their non-conference matchups), and the SEC cannot afford to miss out on a foothold in the fertile recruiting fields of Texas as well as inroads on two more top-10 media markets (#4 Houston and #8 DFW). So the SEC needs to get stepping and invite A&M.

If the SEC then goes to 14 teams take Miami over FSU (top-20 media market, plus Miami used to be the national power everyone hated and is showing a sign of resurgence — translated, more viewers). At 16 the SEC may be able to pick up Kansas, if it can pick up either North Carolina or Duke it suddenly becomes a men’s basketball powerhouse as well.

Gt fan

June 12th, 2010
2:30 pm

Yes we all know it’s about money not academics. I see the ga legislation involved for Tech. The metro Atlanta area would benefit with tech in the sec. Since Atlanta hosts the sec championship, the folks at the Georgia world congress center know how much money sec schools bring to the local economy. Having tech in the sec would bring a larger revenue stream because by in large the sec visiting teams travel. This means more money to local businesses from sec fans than just once a year. Now I’m not saying tech home games will be as big as the sec championship, it will just bring in more money than the traveling acc teams. The city of Atlanta would want some of revenue.

In the Know

June 12th, 2010
2:44 pm

Dude, MD is not going anywhere and i have heard reports that the SEC is strongly considering an offer to VT and it’s not a package deal with UVA. Vt is said to be interested as well. With all this being said, GT will not be going anywhere. If FSU,Clemson and VT leave, the ACC will just go after big east schools such as PITT,WV, USF for example to play in the ACC and the current ACC/TV deal is justified for a big east team to jump ship. The ACC will be fine, so let’s not over-hype the situation man. GT is not leaving the ACC no matter what happens, BANK ON IT!

In the Know

June 12th, 2010
4:14 pm

Andy Katz just said on ESPN that SEC will not offer miami,GT,FSU or clemson no matter what! Now, nothing about VT was mentioned, so it does not deny that the SEC is not considering the hokies. Looks like the ACC will stay the same or if VT does leave, it will just find another team to replace it. Let’s move on from the GT to big ten or SEC nonsense!!! Not happening!

GTville

June 12th, 2010
5:04 pm

Notre Dame is going to the ACC after the MWC secures a BCS berth. ACC will either add Navy or UConn to even it out.

If ND goes to ACC, then the Big10 does not need to expand and the SEC will not either. If they do, GT, FSU, Clemson are possible SEC candidates along with a Texas school. However they will get stuck playing Vandy, KY, Miss, Miss St, SC and Ark on a regular basis which is not very exciting. An intact ACC is prefered and it is only a matter of time until an ACC team steps up and goes undefeated.

If this is all about a playoff, then the polls need to disappear completely and only conference champs need to be considered. If so, then why do all the best teams want to knock each other out in one conference and let a lesser programs get playoff access in weaker conferences. This is why FSU and company will stay in ACC with ND added. 8 playoff teams only PAC10, B10, SEC, ACC, MWC, ConfUSA, MidAm, Sunbelt/WAC.

GTville

June 12th, 2010
5:05 pm

Chris:
You have Boise moving to a conference, then you hope the 3 best teams in that conference move to other conferences. Would Boise have made the move if the other 3 were planning to leave?

YELLOW HAMMER

June 12th, 2010
5:44 pm

no way should GT be allowed back in the SEC.they bolted once and thats it.sorry! if something happens to the ACC tech could always play ND 12 times for the HAS BEEN championship. just sayin, no to GT into the SEC

BS Patrol

June 12th, 2010
7:19 pm

What’s the matter,YELLOW HAMMER,you guys afraid of a little competition over there. Not that I would want Tech to join the SEC. I want the SEC & ACC to stand pat. But you sure know how to hold a grudge.

BD

June 12th, 2010
10:54 pm

Those hippies in Colorado are gonna love being able to get their “medicinal” marijuana on their road trips to Oregon, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford, UCLA, and USC – if they forget to pick it up in Colorado..

Hey I realize some folks need the stuff, but HIPPIES!

HIPPIES!

neil marlowe

June 13th, 2010
10:30 am

sixteen team leagues make no sense. the whole thing is stupid. leave the ACC and SEC alone!!

CHARLOTTE DAWG

June 13th, 2010
12:21 pm

Rumor has it that Lemay was fooling around with a guy instead of a girl. When the news of his same sex partner came out, TECH immediately offered a scholarship while UGA withdrew their scholarship. Tech’s AD: “the new news about the Butler QB makes us think he would be an excellent addition to the tech student body.” Needless to say, there is a lot of excitement on North Avenue.

Nick Marshall said he sided with UGA over Tech b/c of all the Tech “a$$ grab” pre-game traditions. Paul Johnson was unavailable for comment.

CrackDaddy

June 13th, 2010
12:52 pm

Why it is unlikely that any team from the ACC will bolt for the SEC, and why the original members, plus GaTech will definitely not bolt: The alumni of UNC, Duke, Wake, NCState, and UVa are all related to one another. They are all family. They go way, way back. And while they might not like each other, they are still “blood kin”, and you know how thick blood is. Clemson fits in here as well, with the blood ties being only a bit weaker. MD belongs to this group just because of its long tradition in the ACC. MD BB is a strong link in the history of ACC BB, and this link is unlikely to be unbroken. I think that UM, BC, and FSU, are also unlikely to reverse course, in large part, because they belong academically (or strive to belong, in the case of FSU). This is not a snub of the SEC or any other conference, it is just what it is.

WTH

June 13th, 2010
1:35 pm

>> sixteen team leagues make no sense. the whole thing is stupid.
>> leave the ACC and SEC alone!!

It makes all the sense in the world where money is concerned. Anyone who ever went to Tech and didn’t figure out that Tech is all about money, and nothing but money, missed a pretty important life lesson.

The GTAA doesn’t give a flip about tradition, conference academic standings, or any other meaningless (with respect to athletics) intangibles. It does care very much about the bottom line, and right now that’s what’s hurting. Tech would bolt to ANY conference that could guarantee an extra few million $$ per year in revenue sharing, and do it without a second thought.

People can talk about how Tech “fits” with the ACC until the cows come home, but the fact is that Tech still can’t sell out Bobby Dodd Stadium for most ACC conference games. The Tech Fund has been a financial disaster, because DRad failed to comprehend that supply far outstrips demand for season tickets. This will never change as long as Tech has no local / sidewalk fan base in the Atlanta area, and that won’t change as long as Tech is a member of the ACC in its current incarnation.

Gaydawg

June 13th, 2010
7:34 pm

Charlotte Dawg =homophobe

TiftonJacket

June 14th, 2010
12:26 pm

Has anyone considered this?
Reports are UT, Texas Tech, OU, and OSU are going to the PAC-16. Reports also this weekend indicated that UGA, SC, and UF had made a stand that UM, FSU, GT, and Clemson were not in the plans for SEC expansion. Plus we all know understand the pacakge deal with VT and UVA. UVA went to bat for VT to join the ACC so VT owes UVA big time. So that pretty much takes the best looking ACC teams off the table for the SEC.
If the PAC-16 deal goes down does the SEC offer A&M a slot to go to 13 teams. What then of their plans to reach 16? Does UGA, UF, and SC rethink their stands on not considering GT, FSU, UM, and Clemson. Because SEC fans VT is a long shot due to the way that UVA got them into the ACC so you either get both or neither, and please stop the UNC talk. Basketball rules in NC and UNC and Duke are a packaged deal.
My bet is the SEC stands pat at 12 teams if OU and Texas go out west that or statements from the SEC sources this weekend have to be eaten which I know the SEC hates to do.

Don Adams

June 14th, 2010
12:59 pm

Why do you not tell your readers about the AAU, a group of 63 elite research universitied, and the fact that the Big Ten is the only conference where all members are AAU members. Maybe that would look too bad for the SEC academically.

Burdell

June 14th, 2010
2:26 pm

BD–

Colorado already has medical marijuana…you square!

GT Fan

June 14th, 2010
11:54 pm

Hewitt looks forward to season report but no blog section? wonder why?

Fire Paul Hewitt, what a DA.

thank God for Ga. St. football

June 15th, 2010
8:12 am

I see another faux Yech “student” athlete beat the ever living sh*t out of his gf. What an embarrassment to the great city of Atlanta.

Saint Simons

June 15th, 2010
10:09 am

UGA 30 – GT 24!!!!!!!!!!!
UGA 73 – GT 66!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE RUN THIS STATE!!!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Saint Simons

June 15th, 2010
5:09 pm

The first saint simons is not the real ss!!!

Navigator

June 15th, 2010
7:05 pm

Saiint Simos: Why are you laughing, everyone on this post knows you’re a freaking idiot. What’s a matter, won’t the Bull Dawg post let you play over there any longer?? Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!! Ha Ha Ha!

If any of the east conferences want to expand, there are some candidates: Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Rutgers, South Florida. I think the Big East won’t be able to hold the big schools, as they could lose the guaranteed BCS bowl team.

Pi$$onaDawg

June 16th, 2010
10:53 am

DawginLex are you still crying?

Life Coach

June 16th, 2010
6:16 pm

Dream on SEC! No way GT will come into the SEC. In fact, GT still has more SEC championship than most of the SEC teams. And GT left the SEC almost 50 years ago!

LOST to UGA 66-73.

June 18th, 2010
5:20 am

There is no one in these Georgia tek blogs.

No fans.

In the last week, BOTH of Georgia tek’s Defensive Ends have been arrested.

1 for beating up a girl, and 1 for driving without a license driving on a suspended license and speeding 91 mph on I-75 North through Gordon County.

Add to that, that Dickie Vitale, ACC homer, has Georgia tek men’s basketball NOT RANKED in the Top 40 teams with Georgia ranked # 28, and this has been a VERY BAD WEEK for Georgia tek.

Congratulations Georgia tek on having BOTH of your Defensive Ends arrested. I note too that the AJ-C did not allow us to DISCUSS either Georgia tek DE arrested inside of a week.

30-24

73-66

2 arrests within last week of both Georgia tek DE

including beating up a girl, driving suspended license.

Nice.

Long Gator

June 18th, 2010
9:26 am

St Simons

We ( Gators ) rule your pitiful state. Your claim to fame will be
beating your small state neighbors while we give you a beat down
in JAX EVERY YEAR.

Good luck to your “dream” team.. what a joke you are.

Reality Check

June 18th, 2010
10:10 am

WOW! Another Georgia Tech football thug arrested!!!!!!

GT

June 18th, 2010
10:11 am

The “T” in GT must stand for THUG!!!!!

yello hacket

June 18th, 2010
10:18 am

some upstanding engineer just ran me off the road on 75 north. Oh wait! it was just d morgan great start to your career kid!

Clarification

June 18th, 2010
4:30 pm

Another gtu player arrested! Now let’s add him to the list:

Derrick Morgan (reckless driving, driving with suspended license)
Robert Hall (brutalizing a woman)
Daniel Drummond (12 month suspension for steroid use)

gtu fans have NO ROOM TO TALK when it comes to the conduct of their players. They recruit thug players just like everyone else, and they STILL can’t beat us!

(((( 30-24 ))))

Clarification

June 18th, 2010
4:33 pm

Oh and don’t forget gtu’s inferior APR score per the NCAA!

((( 973 – 967 )))

Reality

June 18th, 2010
10:37 pm

The ACC isn’t going to lose anyone. The ACC team schools currently enjoy the highest payout of all conferences considering all sports – so what would motivate them to even consider leaving? No one has explained that to me at all with any reason.

The ACC will remain in tact. They may look to the Big East to add some schools if it is necessary to become a ’super conference.’ But, that remains to be seen.

We all know that the ACC has courted Notre Dame over the years. I believe that Notre Dame was close to an agreement with the ACC when the Big East came after them for basketball only.

Other possibilities for the ACC would be West Virginia (a natural addition considering UVA, VA Tech, and Maryland), Syracuse, and UConn. These schools are strong academically as well as their sports and would easily fit into the ACC mold. They are also good in basketbball and would add to the conference from that respect as well.

You SEC folks need to put down the pipe and realize that no ACC school will join you.

LOST to UGA 66-73.

June 19th, 2010
3:21 am

No SEC school is looking to add any ACC team to our Conference.

Your conference is DOOMED to Failure, as I said when you made it up. It is too far Miami to Boston, travel too far, cost too much and oh by the way, the ACC has NOT had 1 RELEVANT FOOTBALL TEAM in so long, no one can remember when there was 1.

The ACC and the Big East NEITHER 1 deserve an automatic BCS bid.

It has been 56 years since Georgia tek won a Major Bowl game.

Reality

June 19th, 2010
1:03 pm

@LOST – If Tech and the ACC doesn’t make a difference, then please explain why the heck you are on this blog and why the heck you spent time to write a post here? It is obvious that Tech and the ACC are worthy of you time and effort, right? LOL!!!