Well, I wouldn’t call your husband retarded– but here lately, more often than not I’ve been seriously questioning YOUR taste. After trying some of the restaurants that you’ve given high ratings– most recently, “La Pietra Cucina”– I have to say that I’ve been underwhelmed by almost all of your recommendations (one of the few you’ve gotten right would be “Shaun’s”– but I’m sure you’ve heard that old saying about blind pigs & acorns). I used to think that you were a breath of fresh air– a nice change from Kessler’s often overblown pomposity. Lately, though, I’m beginning to realize that your palate isn’t really any more sophisticated or knowledgeable than anyone else’s. You tend to give too high a rating to places that have maybe one or two standout dishes & nothing more; this makes me wonder whether you actually try everything the kitchen has to offer, or whether you go to a place more than twice before you bestow whatever number of stars you deem it merits. I’ve followed many of your suggestions, only to find that they were mediocre or uneven at best. I think from now on that I’ll stick with Christiane Lauterbach’s recommendations– she, at least, seems to have developed a palate.
I find reviews that aren’t stuffy and pompous refreshing. No one is going to agree with everything you or any critic says due to much varied palates. I too agree that the number “food & wine” snobs has become way out of control. I find a varied palate more interestig than someone who spits out the same verbose columns one after the other. Keep up the realism…a refreshing cleansing of the palate!
Cubalibre: Sorry to disappoint. I’ll keep your comments in mind. And I will always, always try harder. And Jennifer: I’ve got the thickest skin this side of Pluto. You have no idea.
If you kick me out, don’t expect me to return. If you have poor customer service, you don’t deserve my business.
I dined at MF Sushibar on Friday. Once my party had paid the bill, about $170 for a table of three, we did linger for a while to talk. But we didn’t ask for continued service or water refills. The wait staff never bothered us and never made us feel unwelcome. If the restaurant was at full capacity and I saw people waiting for a spot, I would have suggested that we move to another location.
If you don’t respect your customers, you will lose them. I had a bad experience at Emeril’s regarding a rude waiter … and you know what happened to that restaurant.
Put yourself in the server’s place. You are holding them up from waiting on someone else that will help pay their salary. We eat out 7-10 times a week, and I’m not talking McDonald’s. I have NO problem with a “hint” to move along after your meal.
I would not go back to a restaurant that asked me to leave. I know from my own experience how frustrating it is to have people camp out. it can be very rude and can hurt$ the server, but it is part of the buisiness.
I once hosted a business dinner for about 12 people. After about two hours (and granted we were constantly ordering wine and additional cocktails), the host stopped by and politely explained that he needed the room for the next reservation. Without asking, he offered to buy my group a final round of drinks if we would oblige him by moving to the bar. Excellent service, no embarrassment, and a final drink to send us off. You can’t beat good service.
The restaurant is in business to make money as is the wait staff. You had sat there for over an hour and a half. The longer you sat, the more money they lost. Obviously your head was inserted up your b–t and you had no consideration for how many people walked away because they had waited so long or saw the length of the line and drove off. More money lost. That is not your living room so get you inconsiderate a– up and leave. If you want to lounge around and talk over tea, go to your living room and flap your gums all night. Your inconsideration that you think you deserve to lounge around in their diner is mind boggling so maybe they weren’t concerned that you were offended.
Taking an an hour and a half at lunch at a crowded restaurant cuts the number of customers than can be served at this prime time by half. if you want to tie up up valuable assets the correct way to do it is by continuing to order. Otherwise you are simply not being reasonable – you would not expect to keep a hotel room or rental car or anything else twice as long when its in highest demand without compensation.
To be so rude about staying so long as to actually get thrown out likely means you are among the worst 1% of rude and/selfish customers. Its a reasonable choice for a business to lose that 1%.
How can this happen in our NEW country with our NEW leader. Our leader and congress need to stop this outrage. No more bailout money for this restaurant. The rest of us can get our free checks from our Savior Obama but no free government money to this restaurant. I’ll bet they would not dare ask our Savior to leave after 1.5 hours.
One and a half hours of sipping tea and chatting during the lunch hour? Who the devil do you think you are? The Queen of Freaking England? Eat your meal and get the frick out!
Sure, there might have been “other tables” opening up… but were they YOUR server’s tables? Probably not… so your server is losing tips because you are want to sit and flap your gums? MOVE YOUR ASH!
I bet you cackling women were there way longer than you’re willing to admit and thus the reason you were asked to leave. I also feel that you and your giggling gals have over-stayed your welcome there before. I know that when a bunch of hens get together and get to talking about shoes and other gossiping crap you forget the time and pay no attention to anything! It’s a place of business and not a sorority house! You had plenty of time and I don’t feel that the Tea house was wrong for asking you to leave. More than likely you were asked in a nicer manner than you’ve stated. Get over it and do your tea-gossiping gatherings at each other homes. Hahahhahahahahahaha!
No, the customer is not always right, but there are still a customer. You want to treat them with respect and great customer service. Customers are wrong, but treat them with good customer service. There are always two points of view to the story.To you, your party was having a good time and shouldn’t been asked to leave. From the server and restaurant point of view, you ladies should have known the 1 1/2hr table limit if you ladies have been going there for years. You must have read the menu at least once during that time. The server would like to wait on more than just your table to make some money during her shift. If you are going to hold up her tables for that long make sure you tip accordingly.
No, the hostess should not have asked you to leave. You shaould have requested a manager and spoke with the manager. The manager probably would have handled it a little bit more proffesional than a hostess. Remember, the hostess was probably trying to help out her server friend to make. If the manager was involved, this probablly could have been handled totally different where no one got their feeling hurt.
some money.
I would have been more considerate of a loyal customer. I am a lady too,and when the gossip and company is good I lose track of time.Maybe the bad publicity will make them see the error of their ways.I would NOT go back. Word of mouth goes a long way in this business.
The attitude at the restaurant is the issue. It’s easy to lose track of time whilst enjoying a meal and conversation. If they were rude to you….they’ll be rude to others.
Remember people, if you linger at a table after you are finished dining that is fine – make sure you tip the waiter nicely! After all you are taking up space at the table that another paying customer could have. No reason to kick someone out because they are finished with the meal.
Half the enjoyment is fellowship!
The only time it’s OK to kick you out of a restaurant is if you’re there with your smelly, sticky, bratty kids who are running around, annoying others, not using their “indoor voices” and generally just being disruptive. Leave my restaurant and, I don’t care if you ever come back – I have plenty of other customers who will continue to patronize my establishment.
I think asking you to leave was fine. You were not spending any more money, and were taking up a table that otherwise could represent income for your server. My guess is that you were probably given multiple hints before they finally asked you to leave, but you chose to leave these out of the story. They probably had finally decided to enforce the table time limit once they realized you were not getting the hint.
I agree with the majority here – you were being selfish here. The customer is not always right. What if you said, “I’d like my meal for free.” So – is the customer always right? Certainly not. “well, that’s unreasonable” you say. OK – then you understand that your hour and a half loitering is also unreasonable.
I am SO surprised that someone has been able to display his or her blatant racism and distain for President Obama in an issue that has nothing to do with either. I am so surprised!!! Some of you bloggers are such one trick ponies and I am so bored!
I’ve seen more adults act the way you describe than children. I hope I never have to dine in your establishment. If I ever do and get the attitude I hear coming from your “grown up” mouth, I’ll make sure I mention your restaurant to all I am able. And be assured it won’t bring you any business.
Go for it, Tom. Don’t need your whiny azz in my place, anyway. Sounds like you’re the adult version of one of those bratty kids – too bad your mama didn’t raise you well.
“Grown up” – wow – name calling (”whiny azz”), put-downs (”you’re the adult version…”), insulting my mother? Interesting comments from the owner of a “grown up” restaurant! You should have left your message deleted…
Why does everyone in this country feel entitled for compensation if something doesnt go right??? Get a life. When the wait is long to get into Brickstore I dont demand a free gift, and I wouldnt ask for one if they kicked me out.
Sometimes we linger. A group of girlfriends looses track of time, and yes, we tip appropriately.
We always warn them when our HUGE group walks in the door, we are loud and noisy. Put us in the back where we will not bother the other patrons. We may linger, but we will be sure to compensate our server handsomely!!!!
Some of you need to get off your high horse. Does this really affect YOU?
It amazes me how total strangers can be so mean and say hurtful things. Can’t we all just get along? Geezz people. Lighten up. We only get one go around at this thing called life, so let’s enjoy our time while we are here.
When I have stayed more than I guess comfortable time we always tip very well. Most servers don’t mind if they are getting the same tip as they would if they sat another group. They actually like that they don’t have to serve us that much but make a great tip. Everyone is happy.
Amen to you, Grown Up Restaurant Owner!! I’ll spend any amount of money to eat and converse without the screams of the spawn of parents too cheap to spring for a sitter. There is nothing more infuriating than lazy parents who are so immune to the noise of their brats that they sit back and inflict it on the rest of us.
I can honestly see both sides of the story. Yes my servers and restaurant need to turn tables during peak hours. However, I would never feel like it is ok to ask a guest to leave! The only exception is at the end of the night, when there is one table in the restaurant, we need to lock up for security purposes. Restaurants are in the business of serving people, and I think most respectable places will do whatever it takes to make the guest happy, even if it means slower table turns. What good does it do to upset your guests? You will end up with none.
I think that a restaurant is within its right to impose an hour and a half time limit. However, this situation was obviously not handled properly. A little customer service and ample notification BEFORE you were seated would have avoided this problem. My problem with this is that the “reader’s” version is the only version of the story we get, so I am sure she wants to sound like she is in the right. I believe that she was probably there longer than she claims or there would be no reason for her to be upset about being asked to leave after the time limit. As someone who has waited tables, I will say that most people don’t tip for their time spent CAMPING at tables and employees have a right to get frustrated if the stay becomes excessive.
One of my old bosses was so generous, he would take his entire staff to dine at Atlanta’s best at lunch for special occasions or just because. An “ordinary” lunch treat was the original Pilgreen’s in West End. His favorite comfort food lunch in the office was a fried Spam sandwich with mustard on white bread. He held a Master’s Degree in business, and was the epitome of refinement and good taste. Don’t tell Scott Peacock but I love jello with canned fruit cocktail.
As a former waitress, I understand the server’s want/need to turn the table. That said, I had people sit at tables for FIVE hours and then tip only on the bill. When you are going to take up a table for hours, then you should definitely tip the server based on the time you took the table from other tipping customers and not just the amount of the bill. Unfortunately, most people aren’t aware enough of this to do so. That said, we never kicked people out of our restaurant and like others have said, the bad word of mouth that this restaurant will get from this incident wasn’t worth it in the overall scheme of things.
Sounds like restaurantmanager has figured out what the owner of a “grown-up” restaurant has yet to learn. Hope they’re not at the same establishment, for soon we may find the servant is the master. Then again, that would be a good thing in that case (^;
This is simple really: the group stayed too long without compensation, the hostess handled the situation improperly. Two wrongs don’t make a right, so no one wins. Give it another shot, and follow the rules now that you are aware of them. Or keep ordering and/or inform your server that you plan to compensate them for the time. If mistreated again, don’t go back.
As far as kids in restaurants: if you don’t want them there, don’t have a kids menu. And parents shouldn’t take theirs to restaurants that don’t feature one. This isn’t rocket surgery, folks (^;
I have worked in several restaurants and I have seen managers offer after dinner drinks to the customers when we have a wait to relocate to the bar. I have seen rude customers who have dined from 4:30pm until 9:30pm with checks less than $100 for a party of 2 to 4 and the tip is horrible. Some customers are very respectful and will let the hostess or server know that they will be dining for awhile, to catch up with a long time friend or a business meeting. This is very understood. Customers have also stated that they will tip accordingly over the 20%. However, there are so many customers that could careless and feel like the restaurants should owe them something, because they are use to making a scene at restaurants. This is what some rude people do, they live off handouts. They don’t care if the server gets paid or not. This is why some restaurants after a certain hour charge for entry into their establishment. People want to be seen and want spend any money. If you feel the need to dine all day, have a luncheon at someones home and have it catered.
The owner of the “grown-up” restaurant reminded me of a Miss Manners column in which a manager indicated that people didn’t know how to act in “finer” restaurants. Her response began “finer than what?” and proceeded to berate him for expecting his customers to behave in a way that only benefited the management.
I think the restaurant was out of line to ask them to leave, unless it was after the lunch hour and they were trying to clean up. If there weren’t people waiting, whose business was the server losing?
If you want to spend time with your friends and take a leisurely lunch, why not invite them over to your home and entertain them there? If you really want to go out to eat, why not pay the check and relocate yourselves so that you can continue to chat? I have never heard of a time limit on tables. Something tells me that was some b.s. that was concocted by the staff in order to appear justified in what they were doing. I, too would like to hear their side of the story.
Hazer…….I don’t like misbehaved kids at a restaurant anymore than the next guy, but I think you are misguided in your advice. The kids menu isn’t an excuse for misbehaved kids. If your kids can’t behave, don’t take them regardless of whether there is a kids menu or not.
As for lingering…..that’s interesting. I guess I would argue that although in poor taste, who is to say what a patron is entitled to for their business. I don’t think 1 hour and 25 minutes is very long. What is the going rate per hour after and hour and a half to rent a table these days ? I don’t know. At some point, if I am dropping 200+ on a dinner and the waiter/waitress is going to receive 40+ dollars for 3 hours of her time……I don’t think they have a beef with me sitting there. But at the same time, I am not quite sure why I am supposed to tip the waitress more for running back to get my steak than I am for getting my chicken tenders just because they are more expensive, but I still do so.
I too feel that we did not get all of the initial story. I think there were probably more hints given than she is willing to admit, or maybe her party did not “get” the hints and were finally asked to leave. I honestly feel like 1.5 hours is more than enough time to have a ladies lunch. Any longer than that and you should move your little party elsewhere.
My personal opinion is, if you have finished your meal, and are not going to order dessert, drinks, etc., you should pay your check and leave. This is what I do when I go out to eat. If you continue to linger for a considerable amount of time and are no longer ordering, I think the restaurant manager should visit your table and kindly ask that you vacate the table for the next customer. If the hostess approached the group of ladies as described above then she went about it the wrong way. However, while her approach may be in need of some tact, I still feel that she was within the realm of what is reasonable to ask the party to leave. She did give them all complimentary tea.
I dined at the Fox Sports Grill two Summers ago for the first time. A long line formed outside, and even though I was continuing to purchase more food and drinks for myself and a friend, we were asked to leave to acommodate the next line of patrons coming in the door. Most of the so called patrons were just coming in to watch the games or loiter about. I felt it was rude to be asked to leave, especially when I was still making purchases. Needless to say, I won’t dine there again.
I work at a restaurant and we would never ask someone to leave. Yes, it stinks when people camp out at the table because it does have an effect on the server’s money, but it happens and you just have to deal with it.
As for the restaurant rule that the customer is always right, no they are not. I had a customer be so rude to me because he wanted loaded potato skins and I told him we didn’t carry them. He asked me how long I had worked there and I said three years and we haven’t had them since i’ve worked here. He proceeded to tell me that I was wrong and that he had them the last time he was there. About 5 minutes later he looked like a fool when he realized he was at Chili’s and not O’Charley’s. Also, I had a customer call me a b***h because he wanted a certain shot and we were out of one of the liquors. When I brought out the check he refused to pay it since he felt that if we were out of that liquor, he should not have to pay for ANY of his drinks. Again, WRONG.
I don’t fault the restaurant here; an hour and a half for lunch is excessive. I doubt the restaurant reallyneeds these self-absorbed, obtuse, rude folks.
One the one hand, restaurants – and servers – rely on “turning tables” especially during the busiest times of the day to generate revenue (and tips in the case of the staff). My guess is that these days this is more important than ever. On the other hand, customers should be allowed to enjoy the food and the service for which they have paid.
If a restaurant does not explicitly tell customers there is a time limit, then it should not enforce one, and jilted customers should never go back. If it does have a limit, customers should abide by it or just find a new place to eat. The market will determine the outcome. If a restaurant has sufficient clientele to enforce limits it will do so if it chooses. If it can’t afford to lose customers it probably will not – the caveat being it will put less servers on the floor and give them more tables to cover. You’ll end up sitting longer but will have poorer service. And, if you go to a place regularly and are identified by the staff as a lingerer, your service will be poorer still. It’s up to you!
The funniest thing you may read today is this quote ON THIS RESTAURANT’S OWN WEB SITE!
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Oops…sounds like they didn’t communicate that whole philosophy with the staff.
Seriously, an hour and a half!!! That wasn’t that long for a group lunch. Given that no advance notice was given I’d say she’s right to be upset.
I once tried to eat at Loca Luna on New Years Eve. Sat down, and was told, only at the end of our meal, that there was a 2 hour table limit. We had a table full, and had intended to spend the time snacking and drinking, so it would not have been a “cheap” table. We still had to go.
We tried to hang out, but the place was becoming so jammed with everyone else who was getting kicked off their tables but not leaving that we finally bailed. Went to one of our houses, and probably had a better evening than we would have had we stayed.
Guess how many times we’ve been back to Loca Luna?
Let’s try the quote part again. here it is
“When asked what she loves about tea, Tea Leaves owner Kim Jordy’s answer was simple. ‘Everything… the food, the ritual, the fact that you have totake time to slow down. You can’t rush the water boiling. You can’t rush the tea steeping. In today’s hectic world, it forces you to slow down.’ “
If I ever saw a time limit posted in a restaurant, I would turn around and walk out. If you’re too stupid to run your business in such a way as to allow for people to actually sit and enjoy themselves, that’s your own fault.
We don’t go to restaurants to be injected with some calories and a little pleasant tingle on our tongues. We go to spend time with people. Eating is part of it, but the gastrointestinal benefit can be achieved far more efficiently in other ways. If you want your business to be a part of the that most important ritual of life–eating meals together–then you need to plan accordingly.
As to the children, the best solution is for parents to train their children. They’re not monkeys. I have three, 8, 5 and 16 months, and all of them behave in the restaurant because we teach them to.
I would be very happy for all you child-hating, family and friendship-berating sour-pusses to go stick your mouths under food faucets and get a couple of pumps and leave me and my 30% tipping self and my family and my friends to enjoy a proper dining experience where we can find one in this barbaric world.
I think you waiters and “grown up” restaurant owners need to identify your restaurants to test out whether we think your philosophy is really what the market demands.
I don’t think a restaurant should kick people out unless they are being unruly or disruptive in some way. It’s not the customer’s fault if the restaurant has overbooked their reservations, or they are understaffed for the evening. If they want return business, they should try to leave the best impression possible in the customer’s mind. In these days of the Internet, word about poor treatment travels fast!
When I’m out having lunch with one particular friend, we tend to linger longer. We benefit the server by always tipping double and refer to it as “paying rent.” I don’t guess that helps the establishment, but if we saw lines forming waiting for tables out of consideration we’d leave without being asked.
(I was once married to a restaurant owner and am still aware of the need to “turn” tables…..)
I would LOVE to eat lunch and be in and out within one hour. However lately it takes 10 mintes to take the order, 20-30 minutes to get the food…even if it is a small salad and water, because “the kitchen is backed up with orders” at this point I am not going to wolf down my food so you can have the table ready to go in 1 1/2 hours. It is rude to think so.
I have eaten at this place for years and they are very busy and always nice to the customers. They run a excellent place and 1.5 hours is long enough to eat and visit. I’ve had to wait before because they were packed and my table would not leave. The owner has learned that just asking certain women finish up doesn’t work. Sometimes you have to be to the point to get the point across. Don’t over stay your welcome. This is a wonderful place to go and eat and the food is great.
Bottom line here is you are in a PRIVATE business. You don’t own it or have a major stake in its rise or fall. Eat and get on with you life. Why would anyone think it is ok to just hang out holding up people from making money and feeding their family? Oh wait that right we are now in the ‘It’s all about me” era. Write your President maybe he will tax them to death so you won’t have them to worry about.
I’ve come to the point, after reading all the wines and cranky people… If the location would provide good customer service and the customer would be polite with thier manners, this problem would be moot. However, I now believe a bunch of you ***ches should pack lunch at home.
I thinks these ol’ burds was gittin’ freaky n’ frisky an management just don’t need that around!
Ladies sleepin’ in they tea. Denture creams just stankin’ up the joint, and they been probably leavin’ nickles and stealin’ pickles- or them fancy sugar packets- fo’ years!
Catchin’ up on ol’ lady gossip? You can do that in back in th’ trailer! A tea house is a busness and yo’ busness was thru!
Don’t come all stanky-in up mah joint! Momma’d sick the dawgs on you!
I worked at tea leaves & thyme. Saturdays are busy. they are closed on Sunday and Monday. Partys are booked for 1hour & half. If you want time to chatt with friends, go on tuesday or wednesday.
The cruel comments on this board (and others) disappoints me. I was going to say “disgusts me”, which is accurate, but I don’t understand why people feel such a need to spew hatred. Well, I guess I do understand, their lives are so awful, that it makes them feel better to be cruel to others. And yes, I’m now prepared to be the recipient. Come get me. I use the same name (AJ) on every post, so fire away.
Let’s see now….Economy is in the crapper, people and families are living in tent cities, unemployment approaching 10%, a Marxist in the White House, No difference between Dimocraps and Reptbubs, gas at nearly $2 a gallon after going to $4 a gallon, President wants to make our wounded service men and women pay for their injuries by using their own insurance…..and here we are….debating an issue of how long a group of bored, air headed house-slugs spend over tea. There is no hope we are lost.
I think it’s fair to be asked to leave. It’s rude to the people standing, waiting for a table when you (who are sitting) see them obviously hungry and waiting. If you want to lounge after dinner, you should go home. Otherwise, keep ordering food or drinks so that the waitor and restaurant can make ends meet!
I have only been to Tea Leaves and Thyme once (and will never go back)about 7 years ago on a Saturday for a baby shower. I don’t think an hour and a half is enough, considering it takes a half hour just to use the restroom. They had everybody in that place packed in like sardines. You could not move, much less get up. I know you have to “drive a certain number of cattle” through to make money, but customer comfort is also important. People come in for special get togethers – it’s not ALL about YOU Mr. or Mrs. Owner.
People need to quit being rude and selfish and lingering for hours to eat like they’re the only ones in the place. If you want to sit and talk for hours, eat at home. Quit holding everyone else up and making everyone lose money.
I promise you that there is more to this story and of course the restaurant’s side. Lady said they were seated shortly after arriving. Subsequent patrons probably left and took their business elsewhere after having to wait so long for a table and there goes more profits/tips. Restaurant would probably be happy to lose this lady’s business. I assure you they were giving several subtle hints before someone had to “drop the bomb”.
If you’re concerned about the time element rent a banquet hall for an entire afternoon evening. That way when you have your special event, you can spend hour upon hour in comfort and leisure. Meanwhile, be respectful and allow a business to operate as such. To turn tables in a respective time and make a profit. It’s not ALL about YOU.
I met an old friend at Provino’s one Saturday afternoon. We had not seen each other in over 10 years. We told the waitress that we had not seen each other, and we would love to be able to sit and chat. They weren’t very busy, and we sat at that table for 3.5 hours. We tipped her very well. We also looked around, and noticed there was no one in the restaurant except us. The waitress was very accommodating, and at one point we told her we were fine, we just wanted to sit and talk. She was so very nice, and we sat and got all caught up. She never bothered us except to walk by occassionally to see if our waters were in need of refilling.
One of my friend’s mother has been a waitress for decades. Her experience is that the vast majority of lingerers don’t order much at all after their initial meal. This often means and hour or more of refills, all that service and not once more dime of revenue or tipping.
I’ve just spent my lunch break at work reading all the comments, yes, I’ve been a waitress, a hostess, and a guest at fine restaurants. What is my comment? What is all this fuss about? The only thing that came to mind was, how about all of the people who, in these hard times, can’t affored to buy enough groceries to feed their families. I rest my case.
Dear Voice – Regarding your 1:18 posting – Yes, there are serious problems in the world but we can’t linger on them all the time or we would surely go crazy. There is still room for visiting restaurants AND debating about our experiences there and there is also time for meaningful (and mindless) conversation, playing cards, joking around, watching Seinfeld reruns, petting dogs, walking in the rain, reading blogs, etc., etc., etc.
Once again a perfect example of the rules don’t apply to me syndrome. Now, I get to play the victim. The staff prompted this party 15 minutes before. Now upon being requested to leave, she gets an attitude of I’ve been abused. The reader was not a victim of anything. Maybe in the future she will be more considerate.
If the restaurant isn’t busy I don’t see any problem with relaxing and talking for awhile. However, I was in a breakfast restaurant recently where several groups were waiting for a table to open up and one man was sitting there slowly going through what looked like a months worth of mail. That was totally inconsiderate and rude!
Sitting at a table for an hour and a half is too long. I’m sorry. As a woman who has both been a server and a customer I understand the need for customers to get in and get out. Most people don’t sit down with their families to dinner for an hour and a half but the expect to go out to eat and sit there forever. Sometimes its not about how many customers are in the place. What if the table you were hogging only seats 4 and there was a party of 4 waiting and there were only tables for 2 available. Should you not keep it moving. Or what if you were that servers last table in her shit and she had something to do after work but couldn’t cause you were still yapping your mouth and she couldn’t close out. I think customers should definitely be more considerate when they sit down instead of acting like its always the server!
I’ve been waiting tables for years, and there are a *lot* of ways to silently (and politely)(and impolitely!) suggest that it’s “time to go”. But if my section isn’t full and the restaurant isn’t on a wait…then no, I don’t mind lingering.
But I also think there is more to the story than is being said.
I have been eating at this restaurant for several years now and have nothing bad to say about it… the food, the service, the teas… all very good!! As for the article well… I think it is only fair that they set limits for clients… 1st of all this is a VERY busy & small restaurant. You have to make reservations several days before and have to be there ON TIME… b/c people are always waiting!! It’s an obvious assumption that one would not go there for a 2 hour lunch!?!! So, quit your wining and go to Waffle house down the street if you want to take your sweet time “Gossiping”;)
Re: Children in restaurants. Your snotty nosed, squealing, loud, obnoxious, unparented spawns need to go to places that cater to the such. McD’s and CiCi”s are a few examples. Your spawns are only cute to YOU!! To the remainder of us, they are irritants.
If you know you are going to lounge around, sip tea, and chat for an extended amount of time after the meal then obviously time is not of the essence. Just be considerate enough to dine on the later side of the prime lunch hour.
Come downtown ladies for your next outing. We have plenty of wonderful places in Buckhead, Midtown, Virginia Highland, Downtown Decatur, Inman Park, the Old Fourth Ward, Poncey Highland, Candler Park and elsewhere where you can linger, gossip, chit-chat and enjoy a wonderful meal, excellent service, outdoor patios and each others company…for as long as you wish
Definitely okay. It appears that the two ladies were drinking 2 teas and nothing else. The restaurant is a business and it looks like they are going to be losing about $2.50 x 2 every Friday. I’m not sure they are going to be worried about the loss.
Those ladies should have a little respect and take their teas elsewhere.
If they couldn’t eat & talk within the time that she says, they should of went elsewhere..Like others have said, she probably had been given a nicer warning & ignored it..
I have been a waitress, cook & a bartender & I’ve dealt with some very rude people that just didn’t think that they needed to tip…I know that I’m going catch flack for this, but as a rule (IMO) women don’t tip as good as men, so I’m thinking that these ladies were known for being bad tippers & that’s why the hostess may have been rude to them..
Respectfully, I’ve gotta disagree with you on this one Meredith. I side with the restaurant owner here. Some people, want to be unhappy. The customer is not always right. Especially, if being impolite and throwing a hissy fit. Sorry.
Once again, the old sense of entitlement rears its ugly head. “We paid for our lunch, so we are entitled to hold this table for however long we wish.” Sounds like the restaurant owner was far nicer than I would have been. An intelligent person would not have to be told to move on, it seems to me. “It’s just us and the girls” is no excuse. What the customer could not appreciate is what if the person before HER at the table had decided to do the same thing and she had to wait for 45 minutes.
I lived in Europe for 2 years, mostly in London and I noticed something that I kind of liked about my dining experiences.
The waiters are paid minimum wage or higher. You do not have to tip, if you had good service, leaving between 5 and 10% is more than acceptable at even nice restaurants. The waiters are not rude, they leave you to enjoy your meal and conversation because they are not trying to hurry you out of there, cuz they are not paid a slave wage of $2 an hour. If you need something, you wave your hand and the waiter comes to see what you need.
I am surprised more people have not mentioned this as a problem in our restaurants here. I always feel rushed because I know the server needs to make money. I wish we would just pay them a respectable wage so our dining experiences could be more relaxed…
Last Father’s Day, my daughter and I treated her dad to his favorite steakhouse chain restaurant for lunch. This location was the first time we had eaten there and we arrived just as doors were opened for business. We were seated right away and ordered our lunch requests. We barely took a bite of our appetizers and sipped our drinks before our salads then our lunch meal arrived promptly. Clearly seeing the overabundance of food on the table, we had no choice but ask for to-go boxes. From that perspective you can clearly see that we were being rushed through our meal. My husband was disappointed at the way this meal was been handled on his special day. And worst part was there were hardly any patrons inside to justify the rush. We didn’t complain as we chalked it up to special day jitters and visited again a couple times thereafter. The second visit went smoothly but the third visit I had politely requested a booth near a window as it was somewhat dark inside. The waiter promptly refused and I was shocked to be denied this request as this again was early lunch and there were very few patrons. I had explained my reasons and still denied. Needless to say we did not feel comfortable eating there so we kept to our regular steakhouse location and let this steakhouse know this was “our home”.
Another incident took place a few years ago where I would occassionally drive the two hours to visit my family in Middle Georgia. They don’t have call ahead seating in some establishments there so we would just all drive up and meet up at the restaurant and put in one name and how many in the party as a group (usually about 9 of us). The wait time is usually one and a half hour. Well, this one particular time we were seated all but two as they were running few minutes behind, the manager stopped by our corner booth table to complain that we were not to be seated until our remaining patrons are here which my relatives explained they will be inside shortly. In fact they were trying to get into the lobby full of patrons. He wouldn’t let the matter go so finally I spoke up and said, Sir, we eat here often and seeing that I personally drove from Atlanta to meet my family and I alone picked this place to eat, I don’t think you should be harsh as you are to us. Secondly, rest of our party is outside trying to come in through your lobby so if you would kindly seat them so we can eat. Otherwise, I need the number to your district manager and another restaurant! I never clearly understood why we were seated first after waiting all that time and then denied the table – after seating us!!! He desperately tried his best to remedy the mood and apologize to us all but the damage was done. We had a laugh much later but it shows sometimes it is not the customers that is out of line.
Mark, I couldn’t have said it better myself. I refuse to eat at what I call “Crap on the Wall” restaurants (chain restaurants with all kinds of decorative stuff on the walls) because it’s a haven for selfish, oblivious parents with obnoxious kids. The sad thing is, even the more upscale places in ATL are becoming overrun with loud kids banging silverware, screaming, running around, climbing over booths, etc. And, no, I don’t hate kids. I just believe that there are certain places, like strip clubs, First Class cabins and nice restaurants, where they should not be allowed.
I am a woman and an excellent tipper (Becky)and a great customer. At the end of my meal I am usually complimented on how wonderful it is to wait on me.
That being said, I was in a resturant two years ago with some co-workers. We ordered appetizers, entrees, desserts and after dinner drinks. We continued to order. We were celebrating a large deal. The waitress came by a few times and we could tell she was anxious. I asked her if she needed the table. She stated yes, that it was one of the favorites. I told her no problem. She offered us two additional rounds of drinks in the bar section. We gladly took the drinks and left a hefty tip. She went out of her way to come and thank us (and chat with us) at the bar.
“Table turn” is how they make their money. If you are going to chat it up, go at non-peak hours. It is common sense and decency.
I side with the restaurant here, too, with the caveat that there is always a nice way to ask patrons to relinquish their tables. Regardless of how long the ladies were taking over their lunch, there was no reason for the hostess to be rude or abrupt, as it is not difficult for one to be firm and polite at the same time. If, in fact, the restaurant does have a 1 & 1/2 hour time limit, this should definitely be posted in a conspicuous place (I didn’t see the time limit posted anywhere on their website– if it’s this important to them, then they might want to remedy that). I agree with the poster who commented about the restaurants in Europe; I’ve had service that varied from great to mediocre (just like here), but never did I feel rushed or hurried along (in fact, in London, most establishments have two price tiers: one for dine-in, and one for take-away).
Victoria, they could be paid a respestable wage. Keep in mind though, prices would double and these little snots that wait tables would still expect a 15-20% tip.
All the problems caused when the business expects the customer to pay the employee’s salary directly. If they would pay properly, where a tip was assumed to be voluntary and a reward for exceptional service and the employee could still receive a fair wage, we wouldn’t have as many of these issues. Regardless of the minimum wage law, the business should should the responsibility of paying their employees fairly.
If you want to know the true colors of someone, just watch how they treat the staff at a restaurant.
Having been a waiter, and now eat out every day because I travel for work, “the customer is always right” motto is only appropriate when they act like a customer. If they go way beyond that, you can use the (what would a reasonable person do) test to figure that out yourself, then it’s not a bad thing for the customer to get fired. Anybody “customer” who treats a waiter, waitress or establishment with a complete lack of respect should be fired.
If a manager and/or owner has their staff’s back, then they tend to retain their best staff. Anyplace that has a consistent staff will always have better service than a place with a lot of turnover. Alfredo’s is the BEST example of this.
It looks like this tea place has been around for a while, so they’re doing something right.
Mark, make sure your spelling is correct. It’s human flotsam. If you’re going to try and be disparaging to an entire community, at least get the spelling correct of your sophomoric, racist hurls right.
At my restaurant (one of the nicer places in the city) we have to deal with all kind of rude customers complaining about every little thing plus all the unsophisticated rif raf that doesn’t know how to act in a nice place. Plus, they don’t tip the servers very well. In our facility, 30% tips are expected and if you leave less than that, you should go to cattle troughs like Chilis or O’Charleys, with the rest of the cheapos. If you come to my restaurant, you shouldn’t linger, since we always have a waiting list of important customers who want the table when they come and don’t like to wait.
Isn’t it amazing how rude behavior is usually defined as behavior we would not want others to impose on us?
I still remember working my way through college in a restaurant where people would regularly come in 10 minutes before we were due to close and sit for and hour chit chatting.
Staff should be courteous to the customer, but that should be returned by the customer.
You have obviously never been a server. Have a little self awareness, if people are waiting on a table and you are sitting there talking, you are rude. Consider other patrons, and the servers who are there to make a living, not to cater your conversation.
The U.S. should adopt the European system—pay workers a fair wage and abolish tipping, except for exceptional service, which is rare in the restaurants I go to. Many servers act like they are doing you some big favor by bringing drinks and food, and get annoyed when you ask for anything else.
I woke in the hospitality industry as well and feel the customer is not always right, sometimes they are drinking or just unhappy people who feel their server is there to be abused. Kids are fine if they are dining, realize again the server is not there to babysit and just as you would get angry at a yipping dog while you eat your kids can be just the same to other diners. One this is odd and the main point of the thread, while I have worked at places with 2 seatings(time limits on tables) its not on this places website. Should be if that’s the basic rule, state it politely with the tea menu, all tea services not to exceed 1.5 hours or something along those lines.
I hope they lose all their customers. I can not fathom being asked to leave a “ladies who lunch” tea party, unless I was having a psychotic episode in public.
I’m with the restaurant on this one. Those ladies are what is wrong with this country. Everyone feeling entitled and owed something. Thoses stupid women should not have been so inconsiderate of those around her. I will gladly go and eat at this restaurant very soon. Good going Jordy!!!!!
I disagree with Meredith. Hospitality over hostility? Sounds like your friend was the one offering up a heaping portion of hostility, not the restaurant. It sounds to me like the restaurant really bent over backwards for her, but like they said some people just cannot be pleased no matter what.
Like I and many suspected and voiced yesterday, there was indeed “another side” to this story – that of the restaurant, and I am very glad you followed up with their side. It sounds as if the only way that this customer would be satisfied was if she and her friends were allowed to camp out indefinitely at that table. She was not willing to settle for anything less. So I still side with the restaurant on this incident, as such an attitude goes beyond unreasonable. Perhaps this party should have booked enough reservations so they could stay all day.
Victoria – you must have missed yesterday’s discussion – the issue of “Wages and Not Tips” did indeed come up.
I think Jason is on the right track. Like any situation involving the public at large, there is a basic social contact when dining out. You, the customer, behave in a civil manner, which basically means being *considerate* to all parties involved (other customers, staff, owners, etc.). In return, the staff will provide an experience that is as comfortable and enjoyable as they can. Finally, the customer pays the bill and tips according to the level of service (current societal norms are 10% for crappy, but not unacceptable, service to 20%+ for exceptional service. Like it or not, these ARE the socially acceptable guidelines. Any lower and you ARE a bad tipper, accept it.) Therefore, if the either party doesn’t honor their duties under the contract, then corrective action is justified. In this case, Meridith, you’re right, to an extent. The restaurant should attempt to resolve the matter in congenial manner, which it sounds like the owner did (but how one does something is just as important as what he or she does). After the owner has made such an attempt, then it is his or her right as a business owner to throw ‘em out! Basically, it’s about all parties being considerate of those around them. Let’s work together people!
I recently came across your blog and have been reading along. I thought I would leave my first comment. I don’t know what to say except that I have enjoyed reading. Nice blog. I will keep visiting this blog very often.
It is opening tomorrow huh? Lot of hype around this one, hope it comes through. About to fly to NY for a couple of days, and have some good pie, hopefully this will deliver.
varasano is getting all this press, he is not going to be able to handle the crowd. especially since this is his first place.
its going to get ugly. all the blogs love him now, but how fast will they turn on him? he is getting more hype that FLIP. can you make a pizza as fast as you make a burger? his oven better be HUGE.
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This book is a treasure and we are so grateful for Hans’ creativity and the amount of LIFE captured in the pages. We wish Hans and his family all good things. Buy this book! Thanks for covering the story for foodies, farmers and lovers of life.
It’s a great book with incredible images of life, food, family and all the South has to offer. I encourage you all to purchase this book from http://www.outofzbleu.com as Sarah the owner gives all proceeds to Hans and his family. Hans has just returned from M.D.Anderson and is still fighting to be well. Regardless, the book is a treasure and we are so glad to own a copy. Best to Hans in his recovery.
Asparagus and organic anything–not on the list. I’d have two Chambord martinis; crab cakes; unlimited crab legs (where someone has pulled the long, succulent meat out of the shells for me) with clarified butter dripping from the tips as I slide the crab meat down my throat; garlic mashed potatoes, sauteed spinach; creme brulee and MY sweet potato pie–a whole one. Eaten freely, without guilt. [And I'm now "Voice of Reason #1" since someone has periodically used my username!]
Voice of Reason #1, I agree your last meal except maybe the creamed spinach..Of course I would also be happy with fried pork chops, fried potaotes & biscuits..This is something that right now, I only eat maybe 1-2 times a year..Also the sweet potato pie, when my Mother made them for me as a teenager, she would put a merainge(sp) topping on them & sprinkle coconut on top..Talk about to die for…
Oh, and a couple dozen fried oysters from Cedar River Seafood in Hilliard, Fla. And, you might as well throw in a double order of hot wings from Three Dollar Cafe. Obviously, it’s the meal that’s gonna kill me. And, I’d like the hot blonde for an appetizer. Two of them in fact.
When my husband received a doctor’s report of terminal cancer, he headed to the Varsity for a chili dog. As we are both native born Atlantans, I’d do the same!
Gino’s East Suprme with Pepperoni AND sausage (the patty, not the crumbles), and a pitcher of draft 312. Sorry Lou Malnati’s. If I got a second to last meal, I’d be on your doorstep too.
It would have to be Danish lobster tails and a glass of Pescivino wine wisth a side of pasta marinara… if someone knows where I can get that let me know!
at the risk of starting a flame war Gino’s has got to be one of the most over-rated restaurants in the US. good? yes. best pizza in the universe? only in their dreams. I’d take a Mellow Mushroom house special over them any day of the week. back in the late 80s I’d have gone w/Everybody’s but they seemed to go downhill in the 90s (haven’t been in 10+ yrs).
either way mine would involve a NY strip smothered in stilton cheese, a lobster tail & an extremely expensive bottle of cab
Hans is one of the few true authors to put his name to a cookbook. Compared to “Eat Like There’s No Tomorrow” most cookbooks seem like a disjointed folder of recipes and shallow anecdotes. Hans writes and cooks like a virtuoso and produces the kind of cookbook equally at home in the kitchen and on the coffee table. His stories and photography are a vivid reminder of how guttural the desire for good food is and why it may be the most meaningful expression of life.
This is a serious subject and I highly advise you all to GET THE BOOK. What could have been Hans’ last meal wasn’t and I feel so lucky to know him. Follow his blog to get a better understanding. This is not a joking matter. Hanscooks.com
I don’t know this family but have watched Hans cooking show over the years. I can tell you that this cookbook reads more like a novel than a cookbook. It is so rich and well presented that it proudly sits on my coffee table rather than on a kitchen shelf. The crisp, clear photography is rare for a cookbook or any other type of book.
Hans’ cookbook is beautifully written and photographed. It’s become an instant favorite at our home and the recipes and family stories are heartwarming. Hans, may you find healing.
This is a BEAUTIFUL topic & I thank Hans for being heroic enough to share his experience & thank MFord for publishing it. Having assisted a few family members through terminal illness, I think people need to know what the affected person is going through & how to best assist him/her in his/her time of need. I think I’ll have all the shellfish I could stomach. I have such severe allergic reactions now that I’d prefer to be dead than deal with the whelts and itchiness.
This cookbook is not just a cookbook…Its a life story about a wonderful family with a history of being in a kitchen. Hans is heroic and is the most positive person I know. The pictures are amazing! This is well worth the $. Check out his blog and see what prayer and positive attitude will do to cancer! Hans’ has made so many people appreciate the little things in life and not to take anything for granted. Truly an amazing person!
This collection of recipes, beautiful photos and entertaining anecdotes is precious. Read between the lines– this is the legacy of an authentic soul and loving father to his children, not unlike The Last Lecture. Even if you hate cooking and have no intention of banging pots around, you should read this book, and then reread it, quote it and share it.
Interesting….I guess I never really thought about it. I can totally see how it would be uncomfortable though. To my recollection I haven’t been touched by many servers. I am not a fan of when they use inappropriate nicknames for your age group like “champ” or “baby”. Thanks for the thought provoking post
Since you bring up the gaffe by Mrs. Obama it’s funny how the mainstream press has treated this incident. If Mrs. Bush has done the same thing the Congress/Talking Heads would have asked for an impeachment, an apology from President Bush and his immediate resignation.
I can’t stand it when waiters pull up a chair and sit at your table with you – this has happened to me on numerous occasions. What makes them assume this level of familiarity? I’ll never know.
Another breach…assuming that because they are waiting my table that I want to have some kind of long conversation with them. Hey, I would have invited the waiter to lunch if I’d wanted to chat.
Another one…restaurant managers interrupting my conversations to ask me if everything is okay. First off, I’ll let you know if there’s a problem. And don’t you love when someone says, “I don’t want to interrupt, but…” and then they proceed to interrupt?
Meh, I don’t reallly care. I mean as long as we aren’t talking about a hug or something, that’d be kinda weird. I see the First lady faux pas as a non issue, generally my feelings about a slightly too friendly waiter/waitress.
People, get a grip! Life is too short to worry about little things like a waiter touching you. Yes, a touch from ‘a mere servant’ can be seen as a breach of protocol in some circles. But we’re not talking bear hugs or sexual assault here. We’re simply discussing a quick touch that’s friendlier than a handshake. Some people feel warmly towards others – regardless of that that person’s station in life – and feel that such connection can best be displayed with a warm human touch.
Robo you shouild be happy people actually care enough to ask how everything is would you rather have them do that or keep talking and then oops im out of water and nobody cares!!!!!!
I wholeheartedly agree with the quote from T.J. I served tables back in the day, I never touched my customers, AND I brought in great tips. You can be friendly and cordial and still respect someone’s personal space. I also dislike the use of inappropriate pet names.
I’m not your “baby”, so what makes you think I want you to refer to me as such? It definitely won’t help your tip – in fact – it will likely do the opposite.
Some people are more comfortable with be touched by strangers than others. Personally, my skin crawls when a stranger intentionally puts a hand on my shoulder or arm. Weird? Maybe, but I know I’m not alone in having that reaction.
If the waiter was a friend or if I was a repeat customer with and was familiar with the waiter, I’d feel OK with touching. Otherwise, I think it’s best to err on the side of caution and avoid touching customers. And it’s not about feeling “above” a “servant” — I don’t think of waiters as servants, just as customer service reps for a business like any other — it’s about getting creepy touches from any stranger.
I work in a restaurant that has a large base of “regulars.” I have customers who hug me which I’m okay with because I know them. If I don’t know you, I won’t touch you, and don’t want you touching me. The worst is when a customer will try to take something out of my apron, like a straw or a pen, instead of asking me for it. The apron is absolutely a NO TOUCHING ZONE!
Does anyone get the sense that this whole issue has taken on far greater significance than it deserves. The lady with her panties in a wad over being asked to leave apparently has nothing better to do than be (gasp!) offended. Yes, the situation could have been handled better, and usually is, but we’re only hearing her side. And after all, this was just a bunch of friends out for a little lollygagging one afternoon, not the dinner of a lifetime. Jeez Louise. Feel pity for this poor soul, because if she sweats little stuff like this, just think how she handles the BIG STUFF. The whole thing sounds like Billy Bob Thornton’s “victimization” on Canadian National Broadcasting. In other words, one big yawn. Fuhgedaboutit!
Sure, it’s okay if it’s appropriate and we’ve established a common wavelength during our time at the restaurant. A little touch on the shoulder? No problem. We’re not so precious that we’re off limits to mere mortals. However, if it turns into a “Bellisima” act from Saturday Night Live, that’s another story. No one, and I mean no one, gets to latch onto my wife’s leg like a Chihuaha…but me.
Meridith,
I’m afraid to admit this at my age(35) but I’m just as guilty as your daughter and her friend. I haven’t been to Dahlonega in a while but I do remember when my family and I would go for a day trip my sister and I couldn’t wait to go into the fudge factory. If we behaved ourselves that was our reward. I was and still am a traditionalist so I always got the typical fudge with nuts. My sister if I recall would always get either Penut Butter or one of the other flavors. I need to get back up there sometime and take my sister with me before she gets married just for nostalga. The candy store in Helen, GA isn’t bad either. If I remember correctly it’s called the Hansel & Grettle candy shop. Hope you and your family have a wonderful Easter!
I would agree with Darin. I’ve been a frequent customer at a few places on my side of town and I don’t mind a 1/2 hug(1 arm around the weist) from a server that has waited on me in the past on numerous occasions. But if I’m at a new place that I’ve never been then I tend to concur with everyone else, don’t get overly frindly. I remember the first time I went to Outback Steakhouse. The waitress/waiter actaully sat down next to me and got kind of close and acted as if they were a close friend of the family while they asked us what we wanted to drink. My parents were a little taken aback by that as well. Although, I must admit just from a typical guy’s point of view, if the server is attractive to me I really won’t kick up a fuss if they are a little more friendly than “Hi my name is so-and-so I’ll be your server today can I get you started with something to drink?”
You’re taking me back to my childhood again. I can remember growing up my Mom would often do a breakfast for dinner night. Usually when my Dad was out of town on business. We would usually do French Toast but if my Mom wasn’t too whiped out we would every now and then get to have pancakes. To this day, sometimes I will fix breakfast for dinner. Usually some scrambled eggs with cheese(3 or 4)some grits if I’m not too worn out from the day and if I don’t have to work the next day I’ll make some coffee for good measure. Given we’re talking about dinner hour I should probably brew decaf but I don’t believe in it. It defeats the purpose of drinking coffee.
God, we’re drowning in cookbooks, but this one really does sound like an unique tome — after all, what is food, if not about life and death, right?
As for my last supper, it wouldn’t be held sittin’ around a table with a bunch of swinging richards in sack cloth, that’s for sure. Instead, it would be served to me, my wife and daughter at a table in St. Lucia or St. John, overlooking an ocean sunset. It would be a meal of small plates, like little moments, like those that make up a life. We’d share memories, laughs and dreams. Bittersweet.
I’d start things off with a mix of Pacific Coast and Atlantic oysters on the half shell, foie gras swimming in a port/fruit compote, and a nice helping of unctuous pickled sea urchin eggs. We’d wash it down with crisp cava or champagne.
Next, we’d have bites of roast fish cheeks, soft shell crab — and for me, fugu (what’s to lose, right?). Heck, why not some glasses of vino verde or Albarino with this?
When the tingling from the fugu wears off, I’ll tuck into my favorite veggies, especially okra Madras style, southern mixed greens with pepper vinegar, roast brussel sprouts and beets, and cream corn. Maybe pair that with a Beaujolais.
Next, I gotta have linguine in red clam sauce with a bit o’ kick to it. And a glass of chianti.
Then, bring on Hungarian roast duck with caraway seeds, sauteed sweetbreads, slices of roast elk, Persian stuffed grape leaves and Greek-style thin lamb chops. Gimme a Zinfandel for this, because what is life i without a little Zin.
Final course is the killer: small portions of deep, rich chocolate mousse, tiramasu, cheese assortment with quince compote, and fresh fruit. And, one BIG bottle of superlative Sauterne to top it all off.
Now, kill me, please. Or pass the alkaseltzer.
Maybe I’m just not sophisticated enough or I can’t convince my palate to try something like? But to me it’s almost blasphomy to mix chocolate and beer into 1 concoction let alone pair them up. Granted, this is just my opinion but gracious that just sounds yuck! And the funny thing is I like beer and chocolate both. But you’ll never catch me ingesting both at the same time or pairing them up. But hey if it floats someone else’s boat, more power to them.
Trips to the mountains are a favorite past time for my husbad & I. We also love to stop at a great little locally owned restaurant in Gainesville right at the foothills of the North Georgia Mountains. They have a GREAT unique menu with local & organic veggies. Also everything is made in house! Try their salad meal with your choice of 3 sides & a hunk of the chefs fresh bread. And when I say sides I dont mean cream corn & mashed potatoes no sir….wonderful creations that feed our soul on every weekend adventure.
Are you kidding? No, waiters shouldn’t touch you. And more importantly, you shouldn’t touch your waiter! I’ve been a server for over five years and am shocked at how often guests touch me. Often they do it when arguing over will pay the bill but I think any contact should be avoided. Every time a guest grabs my wrist as a walk by, swats my hand away from a plate, or even reaches to get a pen out of my apron (that I’m wearing!) I am shocked and offended.
I don’t want my server to touch me. I don’t want my server to talk to me. I don’t want my server to look at me. It shocks and offends me if I have any human contact at all. What is wrong with you people? I personally love to go into a restaurant and have a colorful server. I love it when they are fun. If they touch my arm in a gesture of kindness…why would I be offended at that? If they touch my junk that is another matter. Who am I kidding? They can touch my junk as well. Get over it people. It is ok to be human.
Where, indeed? Last time I went to Season’s 52, a few weeks ago, the low-sodium options had been eliminated from the menu. I’ve enjoyed the very low sodium “spa cuisine” from Chin Chin, though. I could eat it every night. Decline the sauce that is offered on the side. It is wonderful as is. http://www.chinchinonline.com/menu.php?location=2&cat=Spa+Cuisine
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HONESTLY think the Atlanta-Obama-Journal loves to write on crime stories to sell papers. CRIME comes with “diversity” & urban life. You want DIVERSITY…..Crime comes with it..Liberalism
Don’t remember reading about increases in crime in urban areas during the GREAT DEPRESSION. Like I said, with DIVERSITY, the mixture of rich & poor in same area…the people left on the margins will pick up guns…..Atlanta is a breeding ground for crime.
Is DIVERSITY code for a racial class? If so, I agree. Some feel entitled, and something should be theirs because they want it. Hey. Newsflash: The rest of us work to get what we want. My income has decreased by some $25k in the past year. I do not feel as though I need to buy a weapon and take from those that have more than me.
Hey Aditto. This economy was inherited. Wonder what it would look like if there had been no GWB?
I am convinced of two things in regards to crime in Atlanta. One is that only the general population seems to be concerned about crime and not the elected city and county offcials of the metro area. If you say something about the rise in crime you’re considered racist. Why is this? Is it because everyone knows who it is out there doing most of the crime and if you mention crime, they know who you’re talking about. The second being that attitudes toward crimes must be cultural. What else can explain the lenient jury decisions we have seen lately. When Brian Nichols was not given the death penalty we said that in Atlanta we do not put balck people to death. There’s been on ONE death penalty conviction in DeKalb county in twenty years and how many murders have we had in DeKalb in twenty years? We do put white men on death row. Research it and see the numbers. Black voters in Atlanta will never elect a white male that’s tough on crime to any position of power. As a result of this, much like in Clayton County…..we have gotten just what we paid for.
Please don’t make excuses for the thieves and thugs! The low-lifes doing this didn’t just lose their job and decide to become a criminal to make ends meet. They are good for nothing, lazy bandits who think they are entitled to your hard earned stuff. (If I sound bitter, it’s because my home was burglarized a few weeks ago. The b..tards kicked in my back door and stole all of our toys.) I’ve been poor and it never occured to me to take someone’s else’s stuff.
What’s sad is that I would LOVE to live in the city but refuse to, strictly because of the thugs/crime. It’s pretty sad. They have even caused problems at Atlantic Station already. And people wonder why the “white flight” thing took place decades ago? Because they knew what was coming! Pretty funny how you never see racist Jackson or racist Sharpton have “protests” against all of the crime the thugs cause.
It’s not only non-whites commiting crimes in Atlantic Station. I met my daughters there for lunch one Wednesday, and before they arrived, I was verbally abused by 2 white punks. They looked old enough to know better, but they were smoking cigarettes and wearing baggy pants and slouching around. I never even glanced their way before they walked up in front of me and started their BS. Little a-holes! Am I just having bad luck or does this happen to everyone?
You people are hilarious… By Mike Vick supporters I’m assuming you are saying blacks. Of course, you’ll just deny that like you people (read between the lines) like you always do.
I have heard people blame it on the economy. That’s a joke. Look at some of the people on the videos they’re looking for and you tell me if those criminals ever had a real job and that they’re victims of a bad economy. The only part of a bad economy that affects them is that the pool of victims may be smaller. How many of them came here with one parent from New Orleans post Katrina? Do a study on that one Mayor Franklin, with her open arms and open wallet policy towards so called Katrina victims.
As a waitress who works very hard to put myself through school, I absolutely hate to wait on some (not all) of those so-called Mike Vick “Fans.” So often, (not always) those particular people will complain to my manager about something that didn’t happen with either the food (a non-existent hair in the pasta) or the service (server got their order wrong) in order to get part of or their entire meal for free. If some of them don’t get what they want in terms of a partial or complete “comped” meal right when they want it, they threaten to sue us and get all of us fired for mistreating them. On top of that, they don’t even leave a minimal tip, either. Why do people have to be like that just to get free stuff and hurt other people?
Smaller donuts??? Are you serious? I can’t put down a dozen of hot Krispy Kreme glazed donuts in 20 minutes after a hard night of partying at the clubs. Keep those donuts big and hot baby!!!
Let’s see… Teens arrested for $100,000 damage to Canton church… Girl, 13, stabbed getting off school bus … Argument led to deadly gunfight, police say … Mother killed in Snellville store parking lot … So much crime in Atla– er, wait… all those crime headlines (copied verbatim from the AJC today) happened in the SUBURBS!
Go ahead suburbanites, keep cowering in your make-believe “crime-free” paradise… while you sit in traffic waiting to turn onto your dead end street miles from nowhere, we’ll be walking down sidewalks, through parks and to interesting destinations here in the city… with probably the same amount of crime around us as you have in the suburbs.
When that “hot doughnuts” sign starts to flash at the West End store, it’s like a big magnet that sucks the cars into their parking lot & drive thru in 30 seconds flat. Who da heck wants smaller doughnuts?? KK doughnuts have been the diamond ring on my finger, since I could talk. If the frequency in the “hot doughnuts” sign would increase, there wouldn’t be a need to downsize the company. Go back to the old supply & demand rule of Econ 101 and keep those big dougnuts coming!!
Dante’s Down the Hatch. Been several years since I have been there, but our tiny table barely held the food, wine glasses, and the pot of boiling hot oil. Oh, it was a little rickety also. We actually discussed if one of us would be doused in oil before the evening ended.
There are a lot of people eating out prehaps not where you live “who cares”. In my area i go to, different resturants, there’s
still a wait time of 15 to 30 mins depending on where you go. I don’t care how small the table is as long as i can enjoy my meal.
I remember the old Arby’s near northlake, before it remodeled in the late 1980s, only had a handful of seats with a few really small tables. I’d imagine that all of the old-style Arby’s, with the inverted curved roof, were configured similarly.
No restaurant tables aren’t too small.. diners are too fat. There are more obese people today than ever. I feel so sorry for fat people when I see them at a restaurant, people stare and make fun of them. It must be hard to be overweight in society.
It’s a marketing gimmick. The smaller the table the larger the meal appears to be and the more people per square foot that can be seated and served. It also keeps customer from getting too comfartable so as to get them out the door quicker. Turnover people! Turnover!
If the restaurants would not clutter the table with so much stuff; i.e. dessert menus; drink menus; sales flyers, etc. then there might be enough room. I find that I have to place these items on the ledge or floor just so we have ample space to enjoy our meals.
I eat like once a month now. I agree with bbb, I am glad I can afford to eat. When my mom says why dont you come over for dinner tonight, I am like I will be there. I don’t care if it is something I dislike, I will be there eating it and enjoying it. I don’t have the money to go out and eat. Thankfully, I don’t have any children.
LOL! I went to Dairy Queen last night and watched an obese slob prop his belly up on the table after squeezing his corpus maximus between the seat and the table. It was disgusting. He ordered a hamburger, french fries, large coke and a chili dog on the side. Thank goodness for large tables at Dairy Queen or else he might not have had room for his oversized gut and all the food he ordered.
If I can’t get a table I like, I leave. Maybe it’s too small, maybe it’s poor placement. It happens. It’s not that big a deal; chances are I won’t return, but it’s not as if the restaurants need to be concerned about that — people tend to have very low expectations of them.
We eat out a lot. Including lunch, I probably eat out 10 times per week. The food’s better at home, but we like being able to relax and not have to clean up. There aren’t that many restaurants worth returning to, but among the ones we like are the pizza joint, this 1 Chinese place (man, the chinese joints get the worst health scores!), soup & salad, a breakfast place is hard to find. Nothing fancy, except on special occasions.
Ha! We eat out a lot, but it’s a rule to never enter a burger joint, nor the Awful House, or any of the disgusting food specialties. Yuck. I’d rather cook and clean up.
When my kids were small I get them Happy Meals and throw away the ‘food’. All they wanted was the toy, anyway.
Seriously though, how many people order 4 appetizers and entrees? The tables are smaller so that they can push them together for large parties or leave them solo for parties of one or 2. It’s about turnover. Your server should be able to stage your order so that it doesn’t pile up on the table. Of course, this is the U.S. where dining out is a more like a sprint than a marathon.
Of course they are. They are done that way so the owners can cram more people
into one space. If you get a meal/plate of any size you will find that it is hard
to manage cutting your meat. But who really cares besides me?
I will put up with smaller tables if I have to, but I won’t return to a restaurant where the tables are very close together. When I’m out to dinner with my spouse or friends, I am not interested in sharing anyone’s conversation.
Heck, if you think the tables are small in Atlanta, come across the pond for a visit. The wife and I are living abroad for a year while I study at a University in England. The tables when we eat out are tiny! Worse, though, is the English tendency to sit you right next to an occupied table — even when you’re the only two occupied tables in the place!
I, for one, welcome the large Atlanta tables when I return.
Yes, most restaurant tables are too small and too close together, and it has nothing to do with the size of the diners. It’s about not having enough room on the tabletop for your plates and drinks, especially considering the huge portion sizes and oversized plates used at many restaurants.
Tables are tiny because restaurants are trying to cram in as many tables as possible. More tables means more diners, which means more money. Plus, with the spaces so cramped, no one wants to hang around, and fast turnaround means the restaurant can serve more diners and make even MORE money.
We get around all that by trying to get a booth whenever possible. The tabletops are usually bigger, and there’s no one crammed up right next to you. Plus, the seats are usually cushioned, so they’re more comfortable to start with.
The size of the tables shouldn’t matter as long as you have ample seating. Unfortunately, restaurants are trying to pack as many people in their establishments without waiting so patrons won’t go elsewhere. In today’s economic times, those who can afford to dine out will experience less wait time and/or flexible reservations. Additionally, walk-ins with available seating at peak times will be the norm.
I agree with the comment on Dante’s. We were sat at a converted Civil War sewing maching table. The table was not even 2 foot in diameter. And of course no way to put your legs under the table. The best part is I got to sit in the main entering area beside the hostess. Thank God! Dante was there to move us to another table.
I lived in France for a couple of years. Their largest tables are smaller than our smallest tables yet they turn out better meals and service than almost anyone here. One hint as to why. Their plates are not the size of hubcaps.
My word there’s just a bit of vitriol in this blog (”who cares” this and “get a life” that)! I know it may shock most of you who rampantly complain, but some of us are fortunate enough to not be burdened with multiple kids, mortgages, cars and/or ex-spouses and can still afford a meal out.
Now – with that said – although I LOOOVE 4th and Swift, some of the tables are a bit small in surface area. I don’t really mind them being close together because I’m generally the one with the loudest mouth and have NO problem being heard over multiple conversations.
And I TOTALLY agree with the poster that complained about too much accoutrement on the tables. That’s generally only in chain restos BUT, even when in a chain I don’t want to have to balance my meal over a placard or two.
Why do so many people get upset at an article like this? a) it is the dining out section, so it is appropriate. It is not the front page, for crying out loud. b) If it is such a waste of time or space, why comment on it? Doesn’t that mean you actually read the piece, which is the whole point? and c) If you never eat outm for whatever reason, why even ready the article? Who is the real loser?
The tables were horribly close together at Pano’s and Paul’s. After one dinner there, the lady at the next table said to us, “it was so nice joining you for dinner.”
I like restaurants with small tables – there’s no room for kids! It forces people to leave their kids at home and not subject us to their screeching and screaming, spitting, and diaper smells.
Grumpy, if only that were true. I’ve been crammed up next to tiny tables with screamy/squirmy small children more than once (and that doesn’t even count the people who are allowed to block the walkway by putting a highchair at the end of a booth). I don’t blame the kids, though; it’s the parents who cause the problems by not parenting.
People, I’m sorry my humor is too subtle for you. My character A. Teesman = 80s man, a fellow seemingly trapped in 1980s Atlanta injecting himself into a conversation about modern day Atlanta. Get it?
We would go to one on Jimmy Carter. It’s funny you mentioned those two spots as they were the only places to eat in Gwinnett County when my family moved there.
I can live with the small size but when the person next to my two-top is closer than the person across the table I came to be with – well, I draw the line there. Unfortunately, my wife and I are missing out on a lot of good Midtown restaurants because they have this ridiculously cramped line of two-tops against one or two interior walls.
Obviously, the “mford” was not talking about a fast food restaurant or a restaurant that seats children at high chairs. Notice the reference to the Ritz Carlton which set the tone for the responses. This is a commentary on fine dining.
Atlanta and Athens just don’t have the talent that you find in Charleston. There are more first rate restaurants in a few square blocks in Charleston than in all of N. Georgia.
Sounds like some people are a little homesick… and those people are from Charleston and New York & Chicago.
There are great restaurants everywhere, not just NY and not just Charleston. Oh and if you’re talking about “first rate” restaurants it’s funny booger, because… what? What was that I heard? Oh right…
The Dining Room at the Ritz-Carlton in Buckhead (read: Atlanta) is one of “only three restaurants in the United States have received the Mobil Five-Star award for more than 10 years.
I am totally a fabbo food critic. I’m cool because even though I’m almost 50, I call people dude. I get stupid drunk and hang all over all the chefs in town. They let me too because the want a good review. People love me and yet fear me at the same time. Bow down to me.
I agree with the first guy that left a comment – who cares? Just visit my blog… So You Want To Be a Banquet Manager? You think being a banquet manager is glamorous? You try dealing with cranky chefs and bitchy waiters all day – and that’s without the nasty customers. Visit my blog and see what it’s REALLY like in this crazy profession.
If they make the donuts smaller, people will just eat twice as many. Come on…what are they thinking? So You Want To Be a Banquet Manager? You think being a banquet manager is glamorous? You try dealing with cranky chefs and bitchy waiters all day – and that’s without the nasty customers. Visit my blog and see what it’s REALLY like in this crazy profession.
Hey Ted Striker: the only reason I didn’t spam the heck out your tacky comment is because it actually made me laugh out loud.
Thanks for the thoughts, all. Sure, not everyone orders as much food as I do, but I still think we need a little more room on most tables.
I wouldn’t say I judge or if I do, I don’t mean to. I’ve looked and thought, he must be a vegan or they must be having a special dinner and then I must admit, I’ve peeked at a few carts and thought “oh those foods are so unhealthy for those kids”
I admit I do it, too. Then I look proudly at my “sensible” basket.
What can really give you the chills is seeing what kids bring in their lunchboxes. For many, it is all JUNK or highly processed, sugar-laden, high fat, salt, or additives. One little girl I pass by every day has YET to have any significant source of protein (like a sandwich or some cheese). Then her mom wonders why she is spaced out in Math class an hour later!
Lots of folks I know get angry when they see someone’s basket who then pays with food stamps (old days) or welfare EBT. Or the large families who have WIC vouchers.
Yes. Especially if there are lots of junk and processed foods with absence of fresh fruit and vegetables. Add chubby kids to the mix and I can’t help but wonder if the parent just doesn’t know any better, and that maybe they should. I try not to do be nosy, and I don’t think anyone would accuse me of being a snob. I would NEVER say anything to or about anyone, stranger or acquaintance.
Yes, I am totally judgmental. But not only that, you can tell a lot about a person’s life by their groceries. Lady with Lean Cuisine’s, Diet Coke and cat food probably lives alone…..
Catlady, I never thought about it until you mentioned that some people get angry when they see people paying with EBT cards or WIC vouchers. I tend to get an attitude, not because the persons have WIC or that they have EBT cards. When I see 4-6 litttle extremely chubby stairsteps with thier parents and 2 grocery carts and not a vegetable or fruit to be found I get an attitude. I see processed meats, surgary cereal, soda’s, kool aide, cookies, chips, ribs and wings….I don’t even spot an onion or rib of celery. This is sooooo sad. Yes, I then chalk up the size of the children and the parents because of the contents of thier grocery carts………so I guess, in my own way I judge more than I realize…..would I ever comment to anyone about the contents of thier cart……OH NO!!!!!!!!
McDonald’s apple pie is good for a quick fix if you can’t find a Church’s chicken nearby. Otherwise, the fried apple pie at Church’s is very tasty…especially w/ the icing!
Without a doubt it’s Spicy Fried Chicken @ Popeyes. And the fried greasy pies at the Varsity. Did I mention my Mom’s Fried Okra, Fried Green Tomato’s, and especiallyi for me, a fried Bannana and Peanut Butter Sandwich!
A moonwalk with beer and bbq in the belly is probably NOT a good idea … :0)
I love my bbq but an entire day of it is just too much for me now. The last “fest” I attended was the Big Pig Jig down in Vienna, GA (loved every minute of it) but after a day of bbq and fried Oreo cookies, I was done. Gluttony isn’t pretty on a 38 year old.
I do hope they raise some money for the Boys and Girls Clubs, though – that’s a great thing.
Hey Brill… I’m a transplant from CT and have been smoking ribs, etc for about 25 years buddy. Just because your wife was apparently running with the wrong crowd isn’t an indicator of what “barbecue” is in New England. Enough of your slanderous speak.. I trust you not.
Please add a week to your travels good folk and come to Gainesville, GA, May 30th for the Brenau Barbecue and Banjos event. Sanctioned by the Memphis Barbecue Network and the Southeast Bluegrass Association, this event brings together the great food and sounds of summer. Located on the campus of Brenau University, the event runs 10 am to 6 pm. Admission is $5 per person and there will be activities for kids and vendors supplying goods for summer. Twenty pro cook teams returning from Memphis in May are expected as are twenty “Backyard Braggart” teams. No outside food or drink is permitted. Money raised benefits the local student scholarship fund.
Steve Bornhoft, a great writer on Florida’s Gulf Coast once, wrote about some carnival rides near the county pier at Panama City Beach as, “offering enough centrifugal thrill to separate a spring breaker from his beer load.” The moonwalk may do that at the above event.
“THE CHOCOLATE BAR” in downtown Decatur on West Ponce de Leon still ranks as one of the best places in Metro Atlanta for cocktails! Several well-known celebrities choose to frequent this establishment because of its quaint appearance and location which is comfortably nestled in the middle of downtown Decatur next door to Ted’s Montana Grill. While their drinks are a bit high, they are one-of-a-kind specialty drinks and mix well with the handmade chocolates served on site. Two thumbs up!!!
Elevation Chop House & Skybar at McCollum Field in Marietta. Seeing planes flying in and out is so cool and the food is awesome! Great bar and the Nitrogen Margarita’s rock!
The Troll Tavern in Helen. There are plenty of places to chill, have a drink, and sit by the river in Helen. The Troll Tavern seems to be a little more fun loving than most others.
Romance novel sales are up as well.I most likely would indulge in chocolate and not beer while reading a romance. Even better read a romance about chocolate and save the calories.
Actually, it’s not that there is “nothing better in this world to complain about??” It’s that the subject of this blog is specifically, do you do this too? There are probably other blogs and forums where we could complain about more important things. Also, there is nothing wrong with people-watching. Sometimes there is even something to be learned.
I’ll give this place a shot….but I don’t expect it to match up to the already excellent Steel sushi restaurant further south on 8th and Peach. I’m a regular. The deco is classy, and the menu is delish.
Love, love, LOVE that bar in the CNN center. The one right outside the restaurant on the second floor. It over looks the park. Great drinks and appetizers too. Just love it.
The bar atop the Glenn Hotel is fantastic – comfy white couches and a lovely view of Centennial Park and beyond. Both Six Feet Unders have a great view too, as well as the outside area of JCT Kitchen’s bar.
CROSS CREEK CAFE /just off of Moores Mill Rd. When the weather is pleasant you can’t beat the view from the elevated deck of the large, duck filled pond, surrounded by the vibrant green golf course.
I’ll 2nd the Sundial. It’s simply unbeatable. Yeah it’s WAY overpriced but to be able to sit in one place, have a couple drinks and have a rotating view of the entire city all the way to the horizon is still amazing. It’s a shame more of the skyscrapers here don’t have rooftop bars/restaurants.
Whoops. Forgot another. Capitol City Grille in Buckhead. But only if you are sitting at a window table on the South side. You can see all the way to downtown.
Turner Field shows it best; anything in the Centennial Park area; and though you can only have a coke and a reason (to be there), an interesting and picturesque view is from an upper floor at Grady Hospital looking north (great contrast with rising buildings on the left and open city to the right adn distant northside straight ahead).
I second the Two Urban Licks nomination. Wonderful place for an infusion, pulled pork, and then a lollipop after dinner. Midtown looks like Oz from the patio.
Everyone – get super excited about this! I’m from Arizona…one word…Amazing. The RA in Tucson and in Scottsdale were always the best place on Sunday for Industry Nights, with reverse happy hour and the one in Tucson always had a DJ. Can’t wait for this one in Midtown to open!!!
so i guess Ludacris was not lying on that song “On Top of The World”..”put one of my partners right through culinary art school, now he my personal chef so that bread he get it”
oh, i thought it was, like, black and straight, and no fags or white people for that matter, allowed, lest you want the gold-plated glock to the temple is you bullet proof honkie, throw da body in da dumpster……..treatment. They glare at you when you walk by if you are gay, sho nuff.
I’ve dined there, the food is good, the service is just ok. People go just to see who’s there. I think the front of the house staff could be a bit more friendlier. They are there observing as well of what celebrity or athlete walks in the door. It’s another Justin’s restaurant.
It’s a fabulous restaurant – the food is great and the service is good too. Its a pretty place, and just nice if you want to sit at the bar and have a drink….tried a drink called “red head in the bed” and it made me want to be one….lol
I went one night here recently and Luda was there – he’s cool and he seemed genuine when he said “thanks for coming” – I will go back because of that. Of and the food is good too!
Brisket and links is not bbq, that’s just called meat. There aren’t any good steakhouses here either! I could sure go for some Two Brothers bbq right now, but no I’m 800 miles away!!!
Abattoir? Are you kidding? Is this a Hannibal Lecter chain? I certainly don’t want to be reminded of the horrifying slaughter of the meat on my plate. Ghoulish, not delicious.
Some of the attitudes here are questionable at best. I think we all tend to forget where our food comes from and the fact that there is more to an animal aside from boneless skinless chicken breasts, pork chops, or ground beef. While you may not find amusement in the name or what will be served at this restaurant, to say that “the menu items are disgusting” is frankly, ignorant and naive. I mean that in the nicest way possible, of course. For all of you who don’t think the food here will be appetizing, you certainly have your right to an opinion, but don’t fault the highly respected and skilled chefs/owners for thinking outside the box. I for one am happy that these chefs are adventurous enough to open a restaurant like this. It brings variety to Atlanta. And one last cliche comment; don’t knock it ’till you try it.
Hear hear, Drew. I’m told by chef owner Ann Quatrano that the price point will be much lower at Abattoir as well, making it a clear competitor for places like Holeman & Finch, which is wildly popular.
@MFG & @Jimmy: Had dinner there tonight … err … last night …. according to the gang at the restaurant, they are holding off on lunch for the near future …
God hate Moon Pies. When I tried them for the first time when I was little, I threw up after 3 bites. Even now, just looking at them makes me nauseated. OOO this picture is not helping. Bye y’all…
Moon pies are the best. I love the vanilla and orange. Moon pies remind me of my granddaddy. He would always bring back moon pies after he had fished for hours on end. The grand kids that didn’t go fishing would meet him as he got out of the car looking for the moon pies. Those were the good ole days. I don’t know which we enjoyed more, fresh fish, which we had several times a week or the moon pies. He fished 3 or 4 times a week so we ate moon pies often.
The best of all are Tastykake products. They are made in Philadelphia and have a large selection of goodies, although all varieties are not down here Try their chocolate cupcakes and butterscotch krimpets. Publix carries them.
I’m not a huge fan of Moon Pies but my husband is! He likes to put them in the microwave until the marshmallow part swells up real big and gooey and then eats it with a fork.
Juanita…..your butt is probably wider than mine from all of the grease in your guts! You are an ugly, ignorant HEIFER. Get a life…and try to find some manners. Your reply was totally uncalled for.
I think I love Drew (05-21-09, 11:49am) … or at least, Drew’s ‘tude regarding food. I’m currently away from the city on holiday but as soon as I’m back, I’m Abattoir bound! ~
My word, ladies … it’s a d*mn Moon Pie! They’re tasty and all (although I’ll bet most of us have a more sentimental attachment to them than gustatory) but they’re not worth the name calling and anger!
I ate there Thursday and the menu is well thought out alllowing the more adventerous to explore while having numerous well executed dishes more typical for the southeast. With only 2 dishes over $20 it is timely in today’s climate.
Shout on Peachtree St. has a a great roof top area ton enjoy drinks and great appetizers($10 all you can eat appeitzers on Monday’s, so a great way to end a work day). I miss the vibe @ Verve Lounge, kinda sad it closed….definitely check out the Sundial Restaurant @ The Westin Peachtree Plaza….great views and not so bad prices….not all the expensive, in my book.
The new 5 Seasons Brewing in the Brickworks has great rooftop seating with a view of midtown. Also come with the best beer in town. Another good spot is the rooftop bar at FAB.
Can’t wait to see this one. Schlosser changed the way I look at all food after reading his book. It’s time for us to take a step back and really look at what we are putting in our bodies. Cancer rates aren’t this way for no reason, nor is obesity at the levels it’s at just because people “can’t put down their fork.”
GET READY ATLANTA!!!!!! This place rocks!!!! I’ve been to other RA locations and it’s a party not only in your mouth, but all around you!
And the wait staff…… HOT and ANYthing but your typical dull waiter/waitress!!
(check out MONICA)
Home grown heirloom tomato, chopped Vidalia onion,fresh ground black pepper & Hellman’s mayo on fresh white bread. Mmmmm…….. Le redneck gourmet vegetarian sandwich.
DX that’s called a “mater” sandwich where I’m from! NC. Also, fries in the Frosty are the bomb, I have to be in the mood for it though. What about bananas & mayo minus the peanut butter?
I’ve eaten syrup sandwiches, toast w/syrup on it. Yum.
What is the point of posting on a topic just to write “who cares?”I read a Vegan book recently and though I do not plan on giving up animal based food products anytime soon,it did reveal information about the FDA and USDA and how lobbyists have their hands in the government’s pockets to determine what is best for our bodies. I have cut back on my beef and pork intake since then and I already feel lighter.
My father ate peanut butter and butter sandwiches, peanut butter and vidalia onion sandwiches and sometimes all three. I like peanut butter and banana but my parents always added mayo, too.
BBQ sauce mixed with sauerkraut was introduced to me by my ex-mother-in-law and is great. Hot or cold, no less.
I prefer A-1 on my baked potato to butter (leftover from a diet years ago)
And for you Yankees – find an old 8 oz. bottle of Coke and put salted peanuts in it.
Diced or sliced crisp Red Delicious apple splashed with cider vinegar! Love it, love it! Another blissful favorite is ketchup on tossed salad (but my daughters won’t let me have that in public.)
Peanut butter and popcorn sandwiches helped me survive as a starving college student. They’re filling and they taste great. Almost 25 years later, I still eat then once in a while. Yum!
my son Timmy when he was in grammer school could not eat but one sandwich and he liked bologna and mayo and p nut butter and jelly so he put the two togeather and made bologna p nut butter and jelly and he still eats it today as a grown man
Collard green sandwich=white bread, collard green. Not that I have ever tried it but my aunt says it tastes great! Yuck! Ketchup on scrambled eggs. Yummo!
Razz-I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD WHO ATE PB AND LETTUCE SANDWICHES!! I LOVE THEM!! Are you from the midwest? I ate my first one at the deli in a Yonkers store… good old days!
Chocolate and banana anything. My usual midnight snack is a banana and chocolate soymilk smoothie made with ice and artificial sweetner. Probably not that weird of a combination–but my favorite combination.
It’s because there’s too damn many people in the world. We keep ending wars and making cars safer. The natural attrition isn’t happening anymore. Welcome to overpopulation.
Very depressing. I don’t see anything wrong with the location either, except the parking was a little ambiguous. Good looking place too. Atlantans need to get out and support their favorite places soon or there won’t be any. Local restaurateurs are already calling this summer the “summer of death”!
It’s very interesting to me that there is a movie about what type foods we intake into our own bodies. Food,Inc. is an eye opene 4 me.Hopefully, I will get the chance 2 see this one.
I agree with Chris!! Most of these places are hardly bargains. My picks: Top Floor (Midtown), Across the Street (Inman Park), Mali (Virginia Highlands), Holy Taco in East Atlanta (great terrace!) … anyone else?
Come on Chris, Ms Ford is known by every person who owns a dining establishment. Think she EVER pays full price for anything or gets anything other than preferential treatment? Check out the flap over her caterer at her wedding…………
Hands down, no place is more romantic, beautiful or unique than the rooftop at French American Brasserie a/k/a FAB, it’s perfect. Their drinks are unreal, try the Zeus and the view is unforgettable. We love taking our friends there for before dinner drinks and also just stopping in for a quick bite. Do not miss this Atlanta must-see!
The new 5 Seasons Brewery Westside @ Howell Mill and Marrietta Street has an amazing new space called the Sky Bar. Awesome views of the skyline and what I believe to be the best Beer in Atlanta hands down. Plus the food rocks!!
Cheep? I don’t think so, try for $20.00 or less for 2 dinners, that is cheep. We want kid friendly places to go with a family of 4 for under $30.00 for dinner. That is what we call a good bargin! But $30.00 for two? I don’t think so.
this was a terrible article. I have eaten at 4 of these places and the only way you can eat for under 30 bucks is if you get salads or appetizers and waters, just like any middle priced restaurant. Hopefully, next time, the author can actually put some effort into the title they decided on. Under 30 bucks? Sheesh… Around here, Woodstock, Try The Place or BLD’s… Rosie’s Diner is also a good bet.
Well, this seems to have hit a nerve. Actually, I’m not a guy, and I did the math — You can get in and out of these places for $30. No, you can’t eat everything on the menu and drink booze until your skull aches. But you can eat, reasonably for $30. And for the record, Fred — you’re right. A lot of restaurateurs know what I look like. I’ve been doing this for a while, so that’s bound to happen. But I don’t accept things for free. Frankly, most restaurants don’t bother to offer because they know I won’t accept it — they know the rules as well as I. If things get sticky, I cover the cost of an item in my tip. But that’s pretty much the standard for any dining critic, anywhere.
Ate at Abattoir Saturday night and I enjoyed it thoroughly. The prices are on point, the options are uniques, and the menu is huge. If I have one complaint it would be that the menu is too big. (This could be an initial menu that will be tailored down as soon as they consider what the more popular dishes are.) All in all I loved it and will be back again soon!
KUDOS for the Atlanta boys – always nice to hear about locals hitting the mark with something! But, I’m a Peet’s French Roast (black, please) kinda guy.
The craziest I get with coffee is when I (very infrequently) add one Splenda and a hit of heavy cream.
Discovered the Whyantte in a midtown bar back in February. My OTP friends think I am a crazy, because they cannot find them in stores.
I went to the Whynatte warehouse and picked up a few cases so they could enjoy and know that I had not completely lost it. We are totally strung out on them now.
Whynatte is the s*it! So sick of Red Bull. It’s about time someone figured out how to unseat Red Bull, and offer up a product that actually tastes good. Well done ATL.
Meridith – I appreciate the positive review, and hope to one day write one of you as well. Actually, I’ll do just that when I post your blog entry on the Whynatte website.
Everyone else – thanks for taking the time to comment, thanks for the continued support, and stay tuned as we take this once inside joke to the next level.
I just recently went to Rolling Bones and had the BBQ tacos (chicken, pork, and brisket)…I was craving it again the next day for lunch! Not only was it creative but also very tasty. You can’t go wrong with any sides and the cookie topped it off just as good as mom used to. Great spot for lunch if you are in the area.
The distributor here in GA is brand new so the website has not yet been updated, but stayed alert for Liquid Ice being available at your favorite bar, restaurant, convenience store, and gas station soon. And if it’s not there be sure to ask for it!
Yea for the Social mention! I love that place. I was just there last Friday night and enjoyed the chicken liver/toast small plate and it ended up being a fine small dinner (the kind that leaves plenty of room for dessert later) along with a beer. This is currently my fave Atlanta restaurant.
Figo is another place my family likes and it really is a good bargain for the quality of food. I like the spinach papardelle with the mushroom sauce.
Another place I can recommend is Sausalito on Peachtree and 17th. Their enchiladas are really good. It’s a cute spot with a nice patio, but you do have to put up with eating with disposable utensils and plates.
Well, poo. I never got a chance to go. I guess I didn’t put it high up enough on my list of ‘places to go with my wife when we have a babysitter’. I have really enjoyed the other three Ullio places, especially Fritti, so I’m sure it was good.
I really hope to see a successful authentic Spanish restaurant in Atlanta some time. It’s a cuisine I know little of and would like to try.
Firstly, I apologize for referring to you as, “guy.” I recently moved and the food critic where I used to live was a guy and I forgot it was a new paper. However to say that you, “Hit a nerve,” completely misses the point of our comments. You were not writing an article on some sensitive topic where people get riled up. If any “nerve” was hit, it’s the one that says, “I don’t want to spend thirty dollars on dinner and need to hit McDonald’s on the way home.” To say that, “No, you can’t eat everything on the menu and drink booze until your skull aches.” Is such a terrible straw man and everyone can see it. Did anyone on here imply that we should be able to eat anything we want and buy a bunch of drinks. No, we merely wanted more to our meal than a salad and appetizer. If I am wrong, by all means tell me. Please point out what entrees we could order at these places and get out for less than $30. Figo certainly hits this mark. But I would have a very difficult time at most of these places.
I love tomatoes – but I refuse to buy those simulated tomato products they sell in the produce section of the grocery store at any time of the year. And the roadside stand tomatoes are hardly any better. They are bred for shelf life and not for taste. If more people had ever eaten a true homegrown tomato, they would also refuse to buy the crap the commercial growers call tomatoes, forcing them to work on the taste instead of the shelf life.
I have about 60 plants of various types, looking so forward to sampling. I am learning to eat raw tomatoes now, but the best way besides stewed on spaggetti, is to cut in half, put half miracle whip and half sour cream on the top, and put under the broiler for a few minutes. Yummmmmm!
Store bought tomatoes are an affront to the Almighty.
I agree. Homegrown tastes like summer. Yummy!
I am looking for recommendations though… which are the best kind to buy for taste? Big Boy, Beefsteak, etc? And how about hybrid vs. heirloom? I try to look for heirloom because I think Mother Nature knows best, but there is usually more hybrid available. Thanks in advance!
I agree with Chris, and sorry to the hypersensitive critic! Nobody expects to drink “until our skulls ache” but want to go for a date night for a reasonable price. My advice — try Decatur. My date and I each had three beers, an appetizer and two dinners for $50 at Universal Joint. The best hummus I’ve ever had. Nothing fancy, but an interesting and fun crowd and great service.
Straight off the home grown vine, washed and salt in the palm of your hand (take me back to childhood in PA and daddy’s garden) the taste is unbelievable. The stores just don’t get it…
No problem on the guy thing Chris. Just thought you should know. Social — have you tried it? definitely a good spot that’s not expensive. Pure — have you tried it? Ditto. Figo definitely. The only place on this list that seems questionable to me is the Shed. I put it on the list because it’s a nice neighborhood spot — a little nicer than the others — and the chef and owner try really hard, and yes — if you choose wisely — you can get out for around $30, especially if you go on one their “specials” nights, which I mentioned. I was trying to include places all around the city — Alpharetta, Southside, Downtown, etc. and I wanted at least one of them to be a little more upscale, to allow options for those who might want them. There are many others, of course. Like lovemygrub’s suggestion of the U Joint in Decatur, by all means let me know what spots you like in this category. I would love to include them in an upcoming “Top 5/In Search Of” as readers’ and commentors’ picks.
KC – The best tomatoes are grown in Arizona! Eurofresh Farms grows vine-ripened, hydroponic tomatoes that are just perfect. You can get them at any Atlanta-area Costco and Super Walmart. I recommend their Campari variety for snacking and the Roma for fresh sauce.
I love farm fresh tomatoes so much that I am giddy thinking about the upcoming season. Thankfully the drought has gone away for the most part because tomatoes need lots of rain to be juicy. In addition to eating plain with some salt, i will cut into large chunks for a tomato salad. Add some good olive oil, a crushed garlic clove (don’t chop the garlic or it will be to strong – just squash a clove with the slide of a chef knife and toss in with the salad and it will flavor the oil – i recommend warning guests they may not want to eat the raw clove), salt, pepper and a one of the following chopped herbs if desired – basil, cilantro or italian parsley all add a nice flavor. YUM. I can’t wait for my CSA to start including tomatoes in our box!
OK, you guys. Lay off Meridith. Most true foodies do not live OTP. We dedicated foodies live in the city, not in restaurant chain heaven(OTP), Yes there are many other bargain spots in the city, besides these. And she does not get reduced dinners, when she is doing a review.
Growing up in the South, it was always a fresh tomato from my Grandmother’s city garden, with Hellman’s Mayo, on White Bread, and Black Pepper. And of course, a glass of ice cold sweet tea.
I admit I have a penchant for Buford Highway and other ethnic dining, and there are plenty of inexpensive but delicious places there. I love Panahar and Little Malaysia (no atmosphere but amazing food). Both of these are BYOB, which really stetches the dollar. Another good option is to check restaurant websites for dinner specials – Ecco and La Tavola both offer wine and pasta for $15 on Monday night and many other places have week night specials. I love reading all the reviews and then checking out websites so that I’m aware of the menu specials.
Fresh tomato out of the garden on white bread with Blue Plate mayo, sliced onion with salt and pepper to taste, with a big glass of ice cold milk..It doesn’t get any better than that…
I work in Cobb County and there is a road side market off of S. Cobb Dr. that has really great tomatoes…
I went several times. Only once was good. After that, the food and service deteriorated badly, and for one who lived in Spain, these folks better head for La Mancha.
Actually, a great place to go right now for a good deal is Ippolito’s (I know of 2 locations & both are OTP). They are running a “Hard Times” special on several menu items. $7.95 at lunch & $8.95 at dinner and it comes with a coke.
What about Ted Montana Grill? 10.00 coupons on the website,12.00 lunch and 15.00 dinner deals. Go to there website and get 10.00 coupons. Midtown(Buckhead) has eat great for 8,a lunch special that runs all week.Great food,great service!!
Just want to stick up for MFG here. This is not a “Cheap Eats” rundown (CL & CityGuide have those, though, and they are very helpful when hunting that kind of place), but it’s not a bad list for nice restaurants where you can feasibly squeak in and out without breaking the bank – even if it does mean the lighter side of the food and drink offerings. Cheers to Nancy and Michelle for Top Flr and Panahar, too.
In regards to “concerned,” I think that your comment is more fitting to the point that the AJC is currently headlining sports news, and that there is no mention of GM, Air France, or New Hampshire on the home page. If anything, MFG is what keeps this newspaper from not being the worst newspaper.
Folks forget all that places mentioned above and go to Park Cafe in Duluth…A lunch and dessert can be had for under $15..in fact, they have special $10 meal where you can get a luncheon special: a small mixed green salad, a sandwhich, and a soup. Drink is extra so lemon water is good! This is a wonderful establishment and although I have not had dinner there yet, I do frequent the lunch as it is a beautiful quiet place to be out in the patio. Hope this helps.
Hunan Gourmet in Sandy Springs for great Chinese and Thai! Great quality and generous portions for the price. Last week’s dinner – $29.43: One Stella Artois, One Iced Tea, an order of Curry Chicken, and an order of Mongolian Beef. Rice of course. Fed us three adults! Absolutely no complaints. Fantastic! Just a few lights from the perimeter. Straight shot down Roswell Road or Lake Forrest from Peachtree.
What planet does this woman live on? $30 for dinner for two? Does she not know we are in a recession? Give me something less than $20 and not inside the Atlanta city limits.
You folks are aware that the newspaper in question is the ATLANTA Journal-Constitution, not Canton, Alpharetta, Lawrenceville, etc…? Having lived OTP for the majority of my life, I’m not saying there aren’t some great restaurants that are worth the drive but stop whining that you don’t get enough dining reviews. You live next to a major metropolitan city, of course the restaurants there are going to be in the limelight.
For $30, but probably less, one can eat like a KING at any “authentic” Chinese or Korean restaurant and there are plenty of these places around Atlanta, both ITP and OTP
In that case, since the “A” in AJC represents “Atlanta” then I need to recommend definately go to Fresh 2 Order in Midtown. Food is under $30 and you are satified as the meal is that good!!! Go for it!!!
Dailey’s closed?!? Where am I going to get my “Chocolate Charlotte” fix now??? I’m sorry to see both establishments shut down. I understand though that it’s a necessity due to the lack of business revenue. They will be missed.
i JUST WANTED TO SAY IT WAS A BUMMER NOT SEEING MIDWAY PUB AND GRILL IN EAST ATLANTA VILLAGE ON THIS LIST. EVERYTHING I’VE HAD THERE WAS GREAT AND VERY WELL PRICED. ALSO SERVICE IS ALWAYS VERY PROMPT. ALSO GOOD OUTSIDE AREA. CHECK IT OUT!
This stinks. I used to love going to Dailey’s as a kid back in the 80’s, in fact I even had my 16th birthday party there. Another beloved institution gone by the wayside.
Stop trying to pick and choose customers and treat all the same……look at incentive advertising….Arrogance is closing many restaurants down! Sorry to hear that Dailey’s is closing!
Nice rehash of mainstream Mexican food stops but this tired list does not even come close to touching on the great holes-in-the-wall that can be found inside and outside the perimeter. How about actually doing some research and providing some truly good/new/exciting dining information for the readers?
“So was it the recession, or location, that closed Cuerno?”
Neither.
It was mediocre food that was overpriced and really bad service.
Cuerno was fun but not good enough.
Another victim of Mr. Obama’s “spreadin’ it around”. What a tragedy! The closing of these two venerable institutions is a domino that does not bode well for Atlanta…
Hi Gildo: I did a post on Mi Barrio way back in February of 2008. Here’s what I said:
“Mi Barrio, on Memorial Drive on the outskirts of Grant Park, is an intown find. Family run, the place is relaxed and carefree, with decor ranging from a widescreen TV the size of a small house and bright Mexicana bric-a-brac from hanging sombreros to ceramic jugs.
The food is a mix of Guadalajaran goodies, from ceviche to birria (birrieria — traditionally made with goat but here made with beef because, according to one of the waitresses, no one would order it with goat.) It is an incredibly savory stew with shredded chunks of beef served with corn tortillas, refried beans and rice. The tamales are dry, but tacos adobada (pork stew) and gorditas brimming with chicken, beans, shredded lettuce and sliced tomato with avocado are pure joy. The staff treats everyone like regulars, and there’s an array of Mexican beers to partake of, though I didn’t bother with a margarita. On the weekends, the kitchen offers posole. It truly feels like mi barrio (or tu barrio, depending on your perspective). Mi Barrio, 571 Memorial Drive, Atlanta, 404-223-9279.”
I like Mi Barrio, but not as much as the taquerias I mention above, especially Oaxaquena and San Pancho. I love Los Hermanos in Tucker, too, but it’s more a full-menu Mexican restaurant, neither taqueria or cantina, which is why I didn’t list it. Sangrias in Tucker is fun, too.
I agree with Mike. While the parking situation was terrible, the food was just eh, nothing special at all, and service was mediocre. Even if the economy were booming and it was in a prime location, Cuerno would have struggled.
“Doughnuts. Is there anything they can’t do?” – Homer Simpson, from “The Simpsons” episode “Marge vs. The Monorail”
Now that that’s out of the way, I love the doughnuts sold at our local Ingles. The only three Krispy Kremes I know of are on East Ponce in Atlanta, US 78/Stone Mountain Highway in Stone Mountain, and on Pleasant Hill Road in Duluth. I used to go to the one on Pleasant Hill every other Friday to get doughnuts for the department I work in. That fell through after I left, and if I get an itch (and craving) I might get some. I don’t care for Dunkin’ that much, but if it’s the only thing available, I’ll go there or eat them.
Next time you worry about doughnuts being loaded in fat and calories and carbs (oh my!), only the filled doughnuts, or the twisted ones have all that in them. The regular doughnuts do not. It’s because of that hole in the middle. That hole sucks in all of the baddies, and you don’t eat the hole, now do you? No. You eat around the hole, thereby avoiding said fat, calories, and carbs.
When in my birthday suit and in an amorous mood, I am able to carry two cups of steaming hot coffee and half a dozen doughnuts back to the bedroom in one trip. The Krispy kreme standard glazed are more flexible and have a silky feeling against my skin adding to the excitement. More times than not this is my spouse’s favorite indulgent treat.
I worked at a donut shop in high school – we had this guy who used to get mad at us if we ran out of jelly donuts – so we used to make him a whole box of special jelly donuts and added about 5x the amount of jelly to the donut!! MMMMMMMM jelly!!!
Here is a real tomtoe treat: trim the top off the tomatoes, scoop out the center & fill the cavity with a mixture of chopped beef roast or baked chicken chunks with your favorite spices, some garlic and onions, bread cubes, parsley or chives (or both), top with a sprinkling of peparika. Bake at 350 degrees oven for 20 to 25 minutes.
Chop up the tops of the tomatoes and the centers to put in your salad (waste not).
You can add an egg to the stuffing mixture if you like. This is a great Monday night supper after you have had a beef roast or baked chicken for Sunday diner.
I was raised on these, with tomatoes fresh from our garden. I was a spoiled child – raised on a farm.
Great list Meredith! My favorite on this list is Verde for sure and I am a also big Mexican food fan as well. I am gringo myself so maybe that is why I prefer Verde over the others. : ) I was surprised to read you said to leave the Chipotle Mayo sauce on the side, that’s my favorite thing at Verde! And after Mexican food my next favorite food is Condiments! Yes, it’s a type of food. Good pick on the fried calamari. Who would have thought? I also think the bar is pretty cool too with the wood fixtures and separation from the rest of the restaurant. I like the clear glass beer refrigerator so I can stare at all of my choices for number two as I enjoy number one. Great neighborhood restaurant away from the mainstream. Maybe you should keep your reviews to yourself so us locals can keep it that way…
Dunkin Donuts held a contest to create a new donut. The winner was Jeff Hager from Hoover, AL, who created a “Toffee with your coffee” donut that will be available in September. It’s topped with Heath Bars. YUM! Be sure to give it a try when it comes out! Watch his video at youtube.com/dunkindonuts.
ok i have to agree on the Taqueria del sol. i mean, the food is good and its pretty reasonable but what is it with all the attitude from the folks that work there? both the cheshire bridge and the howell mill locations are just no fun to go to anymore. the line at first was kind of fun, seriously, it was like, ohh, i’m going to be getting something good, but now, its just tired and while the food again is good, the service often times SUCKS. several of us have vowed just not to go back sorry all you sol lovers.
oops I forgot, holy taco in east atlanta is lots of fun, but it totally blows my mind that the staff all seem hard core but there are more couple with kids there than in the burbs. they even have a baby changing station in the mens room…how, sandy springs of them..but its fun to go, until the bratty kids start whining at 10pm, parents..can slap em and you can’t tell em squat when it comes to their kids.
I hate -forced- valet parking. I drove my car there — I can get it into a parking space. Atlanta is insane with valets. Oh, complimentary? If you never tip.
I’m not saying that was the issue with Cuerno, though; in a midtown or downtown destination, I expect to have to pay something for parking.
Melissa- get out more. File Taxco under “cheap mexican,” i.e. garbage food, syrupy white queso and margarita flavored slushies. These places are only as good as the group you brought to get drunk and stuffed on said garbage food and margarita flavored slushies. I’m pretty sure mford was trying to start a conversation about actual mexican food.
Great list Meredith! Two others I LOVE…Taqueria Los Reyes near Buford Hwy/Clairmont Rd. intersection (in a previous DQ location). This “gem” used to be located at the end of the runway at PDK on Chamblee Tucker Road/Hospital Way. Delicious tacos, burritos and tortas. Steak burritos are LOADED with meat and tacos are generous served with two corn tortillas so you can make two from them.
Also love El Taco Veloz with several locations (Sandy Springs, Buford Hwy, Norcross etc.). They too load their burritos with tons of tasty steak and other filling options!
I just solved my “what’s for dinner tonight” dilemma!
Meridith, you have the best job in the world (food critic, how could life get any better).
Verdes is right down the street from me. The cheapest Taco they have is 3.25. Don’t you think that’s a bit pricey, and how does it compare to the others?
I second Don’s recommendation of El Taco Veloz. Great tacos and I love their refried beans too.
I’ve got a place to recommend but I can’t remember the name of it. I’ve been there several times and have really enjoyed the food — it’s just north of the intersection of Clairmont Rd and Buford Highway and it was until recently a Dairy Queen. Anyone know the name?
Dandy Donuts on Chamblee Dunwoody Rd, just NW of it’s intersection with Peachtree Industrial. It’s a tiny white cinderblock building. Their plain yeast donut is my favorite of that variety. But otherwise Sublime is my go-to place. They elevate the doughnut to an art.
It’s such a shame and I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner. Their business had been going downhill for sometime. What’s worse… the brides and clients that put a deposit or paid in full won’t be getting that back. Karma hurts.
according to DonH, it’s Taqueria Los Reyes. You’re the 3rd person who has mentioned it. I’ll have to check it out. It looks like a dump from the street, but then again, it use to be a DQ.
Darin… it’s Taqueria Los Rayos at the Old Dairy Queen. See my comment above (and Mimi who mentioned it above mine) Her spelling of it was the correct one!
Nuevo Laredo for sure is one of the best overall. But the breakfast at El Taco Veloz is the best deal going. Great food at a reasonable price. Close your eyes and you would think you’re in Mexico. Bottom line – lots of good authentic choices in ATL now, REAL margaritas are the challenge and I would love to see some recommendations. Not the mix/slushy kind – but a good booze combination and real limes.
Gotta agree with Mimi and Don H. on the Taqueria Los Rayos – most authentic & best ones in town. Have about 15 different tacos to choose from (all around $2) and lots of great tortas as well. The chorizo taco & shredded beef are my faves there – your choice of meat on a fresh corn tortilla, simply (and authentically) topped with just white onion, fresh cilantro, and a squeeze of lime. Just like they do it in Mexico.
And as someone that lives on Dresden – exactly between Verde & Los Rayos, and frequents them both – I can vouch for the calimari (and great margaritas) at Verde, the best in town. But I’ve tried most of the tacos on Verde’s menu and none have really hit me – most are bland and sound better on the menu than actually executed. Stick with the calamari (with the great small slices of lightly coated jalepeno’s hidden throughout the basket). And the chiptole ranch dipping sauce rocks too!
Wow…you’ve missed several. I can’t believe you forgot Bone Garden Cantina on Ellsworth Industrial!??! Great food and the best trivia (according to Reader’s Choice in “The Sunday Paper”) every Wednesday at 8:30. Perhaps you should take a visit before passing judgment on the best taqueria’s in Atlanta.
Anyone know if Los Reyes is still in business in Marietta? It’s somewhere near the big chicken. Not sure if it’s a chain or related to the similar named place that used to be a DQ.
Just returned from our first trip to Taqueria Los Rayos. After passing by the restaurant every day, we decided to give it a try. It was delicious. The tacos were outstanding, the beef cheek was super tender and the “flat meat” was good too. The torta al pastor was huge and so good, and an incredible bargain at $5. Must go!
Taqueria Las Comadres (Thornton Rd. in Lithia Springs) serves some amazing, authentic Mexican. The Cochinitas…wow. Also, when you order guacamole, they make it to suit your tastes. I love a lot of the places others have mentioned, but if you’re interested in Oaxacan/Mexican cuisine, I cannot recommend Las Comadres highly enough (BYOB & closed Sundays).
Meredith- nice list-i’ve been a fan of Taqueria del Sol since they opened. Now I have other options. I don’t frequent del Sol much anymore as the underlying tension between staff & customers get’s tiresome. Even the guys working the bar/counter for lunch have a ‘tude.
I’m interested in the place you mention in Jonesboro on Mt Zion. My map software can’t find that address. When you click on the website link nothing on the page works. Have a better address or intersection.
Taqueria Los Rayos – if there is better, I need to know… have not been to the new location, but had been going to the original West Hospital location since the 90’s. Off th bus real Mexican. Tacos and Tortas and horchata.
I have also quit Taqueria del Sol. The crappy hours (11am to 11:30am, 1pm to 1:15pm, 6pm to 8pm), the lines, etc. I love the food, but I won’t be treated that way by a bunch of uptight taco punks.
CAn anyone tell me where to find the best chicken chimichangas in Atlanta. I used to live in Nevada and they had the best I ever tasted! They were deep fried and just right! Please help, I have been craving forever.
I boycotted Taqueria del Sol 2 years ago and have not been back since. No restaurant is worth my time and money, especially one that exudes rude service and attitude. I can’t understand why people find it to be part of the appeal. There are plenty of other restaurants around town to go to. Hasta la vista, Taqueria!
Monterrey on Buford Hghwy just inside 285 is awesome. The chicken tacos are outstanding. But you have to go to this location, some of the other Monterrey locations are no where near as good. Margaritas are outstanding also.
Hello Meridith, I think something’s a little off on the formatting of Table Talk. The left-hand side is cropped a little too close. This is consistent on Table Talk and not a characteristic of other blogs and websites.
Pure Taqueria – I had a bad experience there. I loved the concept though. The hostess was extremely rude, service was poor. I had gone to lunch with a bunch of co-workers, most of whom were Indian. Given how our table was the only table seemingly having these problems, I felt extremely embarrassed for our country.
BONE GARDEN CANTINA off of howell mill road by far. they have an authentic a la carte menu. everything is fantastic! i was a big fan of NEUVO LAREDO, until i tried BONE GARDEN. we bring family and friends there all the time because we can always count on fabulous food and service!
Rojo Taqueria on Holcomb Bridge rules. Best margaritas and fish tacos in Atlanta. The house margarita is only $5.00 and they use fresh squeezed lime juice. They have over 80 different tequilas, a cool patio, unique bar, and the staff is very pleasant unlike some places. They have my family hooked.
JimC, I know it “ain’t”, cletus. But Mighty taco beats all Taquerias and cantinas in and around Atl. Don’t you know by now that us northerners always do it better than you southern hicks?
I am literally in tears. Dailey’s Midnight Cake was my late night at work fix. The City Grill holds sentimental value for me and my husband. We held our wedding reception there on July 15, 2000. Kim and her staff were so gracious and worked hard to make our special day even more memorable. It was a tradition of ours to have dinner there on our anniversary. This will be the first year we won’t be able to go. *sniff*
p.s. I’ll ignore the Obama comment, because this economic mess started with the Bush administration…he just got out and left Obama holding the bag.
I love my dog, but this is just stupid…no dog wants to sit at a restaurant while his owner eats. Get a grip people, no matter how much you love them, they are still DOGS.
Couldn’t disagree with Claire more – as long as the dog is well fed and hydrated, there’s nothing wrong with having him at a restaurant provided he’s not bothering other customers. What dog would prefer to be left home alone rather than take a car ride and spend some time with the family?
The outdoor seating of the Marietta Pizza Company at the Marietta Square has traditionally attracted a pretty good dog loving contingent.
Anyplace in Oakhurst Village! Steinbeck’s Oyster House, Mojo Pizza, Universal Joint, and Matador all have great outdoor seating and are incredibly welcoming to dogs with water bowls, treats, etc. I have to agree with GeoffDawg — our dog LOVES to go out to eat — how can that NOT be better than staying at home alone?
I would love to know, myself! One of my goals is to have my students take their dogs to restaurants where it is allowed, so they can practice their training. I take mine to Panera a lot, especially at Loehmann’s plaza (Moe’s there is good, too). I had a list of dog-friendly places a while back, but seem to have lost it.
I agree that manners matter! Ideally, the other patrons shouldn’t even notice you have a dog with you because he’s being so good. We are quickly losing our rights as dog owners, and this is a great way for folks to keep up with Fido’s manners as well as show non-dog folks that dogs are not nuisances.
I think maybe Claire doesn’t like eating at places with dogs? If they are not well-behaved, I can understand, but if they are, you shouldn’t worry about it. They want to be with us…as long as it is safe, they are not too hot, they are well-behaved, and they do not bother other patrons, I think it’s a great idea.
I prefer a dog at the table next to me much more than a ill-behaved child, or someone smoking.
There are some well-meaning people who drag their dogs everywhere, and there are certainly places where this is ill-advised, but most dogs I see out are generally enjoying themselves. It’s better than being stuck in the backyard all the time, with no company.
There’s a place in Alpha, off Main on Milton, Corner Deli, that has a patio and they allow pets all hours/days. They provide water bowls & biscuits. I’ve been there dozens of times with my two dogs and there has never been a problem with other dogs misbehaving. It’s a great way to start the weekend, the dogs even get their own omelettes (2 eggs, no oil) and dry wheat toast.
I agree with Claire. They are DOGS and they have no soul like human beings due. Our society is becoming obsessed with animals especially dogs. Again, get a grip and instead of taking your dog out to eat, take someone (human) who has fallen down on hard time out to these places and feed them. I do.
Some folks just don’t get it. Claire and BB, there’s a quaint little place called McDonalds for you types. It’s full of noisey kids and unattractive people, you’ll feel right at home!
Agreed on Oakhurst, and add on Brew Pub in Little 5 Points (they sell doggie ice cream) and Vinocity in Kirkwood. Our dog loves to come hang out with us- she is well behaved and gets lots of love from others when she goes public.
I’d rather eat with dogs than with damn kids. And, for the record, you illiterate ass, how “due” [sic] you know dogs don’t have souls? There is dogma [forgive the pun] that days they “due” [sic].
BB and Claire – if a restaurant caters to canines, it’s very simple – just don’t go there. Do you think there are a dearth of suitable eating establishments in metro Atlanta? Why in the world do you care that some people like to dine with their dogs?
I think it’s a great idea – how nice it would be to meet your friend who also has a dog for lunch and let the dogs socialize while you two eat and chat. I digg it!
I don’t have a dog, but wouldn’t be offended if I went to a restaurant where people had dogs..Like others say, if the dog is well behaved and isn’t slobbering all over the place, it’s no big deal..We as a society are to concerned with what other people think instead of what makes us happy..
There is an excellent Korean restaurant called The Korean Kitchen about a few blocks down from my subdivision that encourages everyone to bring their dogs. My wife and I go there quite often. Oddly, though, many people have their dogs “run away” while dining there. The food sure is good, though!
I would LOVE to find a place to go with my extremely well behaved Aussie. She is better behaved than most small children, listens and sits/lays at my feet all the time. I’d rather bring her than leave her at home alone.
Bruster’s by us gives free “doggie sundaes.” Vanilla ice cream topped with a milk-bone biscuit..yes, FREE. My girl loves to go there!
I always ask seated patrons if I may sit by them when I have my dog and so far no one has said no; if no one is seated on the patio, I chose the most out of the way table and have never had an issue. Taco Mac refused to seat us but Panera is always great, Atlanta Bread Company, Starbucks, Brusters Ice Cream (give a free doggie treat) and even Artuzzi’s before it moved from Roswell Road. Please be considerate of others – just as I would not take a child that could not sit still and behave to an eatery, I wouldn’t take my dog if he could not either.
It’s very common to take your dog to a restaurant in Europe. As mom of two kids and two dogs, I’d rather have well behaved dogs sitting next to me than fussy moms with their even fussier kids.
It’s also important for those traveling with their dogs that they have pet-friendly options. It’s usually not allowed to leave your pet in the hotel room unattended.
The Park Tavern at Piedmont Park is very dog friendly…and dogs or kids don’t bother me as long as they are well behaved…those that aren’t..kids or dogs should be left at home…
I went to Nancy G’s two weekends ago and sat outside on the patio. I had never been there before and didn’t know anything about the dog-friendly seating. A patron came in with dog that was well-behaved and quiet. The trouble started when the next patron came in with another dog and the two pets started thrashing around and yelping at each other while the two owners tried to let them “meet” each other – seemingly oblivious to the disturbance that they were causing. We left immediately and I will not be back to Nancy G’s. I like dogs just fine, but they don’t belong in restaurants any more than smokers do. There seems to be a selfish attitude here with dog owners that is similar to smokers: “if you have problem with my dog/cigarette that is your problem and you are too sensitive”. No, I don’t want to listen to your dog yelping. I don’t want them jumping on me: I don’t want to trip over their leashes; I don’t want dog hair floating into my meal, etc. Nancy G. take heed. You lost a customer.
Meh – I’m less likely to frequent a place where dogs are allowed inside. Oddly enough, I think I would be more turned off with the lap-dog size (you know, the little yapping fuballs) than with a lab or any larger dog. I think it’s the proximity to the table that bothers me and I’ve seen far too many people eat with their dogs in their laps.
I don’t take issue at all with dogs on a patio or outside. As a matter of fact, if your dog is friendly enough he may get a nibble or two thrown his way when you’re not looking.
bill – this is not selfish at all on the part of dog owners. If a restaurant wants to cater to a niche clientele, then what do you care? You have no inalienable right to visit whatever restaurant you want and have the conditions be however you want them. What you do have is freedom of choice and you can easily choose to go to the place across the street.
//The trouble started when the next patron came in with another dog and the two pets started thrashing around and yelping at each other while the two owners tried to let them “meet” each other – seemingly oblivious to the disturbance that they were causing.//
This is as unacceptable to me as someone allowing their child to disrupt my meal. I’m sorry this happened to you. Did you tell a manager? Or has the restaurant lost a customer not over bad food or service, but over something they had little control over at that moment? If you told them about your experience, they might make a “no dogs meeting on patio” rule or something. (I know nothing about the restaurant you cite.)
People are perfectly fine to eschew establishments that do not make them feel welcome (you’ll never see me at Chuck E. Cheese , or Joel). I know there are non-dog folks out there, and if they are paying, they have a right to eat unbothered by your dog, or even the presence of your dog.
On a restaurant patio is no place for dogs (or kids) to play and be obnoxious. Dogs at eateries should lie quietly at the owners’ feet, and, like I said before, should be “invisible” so as not to bother other patrons. No one should haul their obnoxious dog with them just because they can. Civility, empathy, and manners are things that have clearly gone the way of the Dodo in some places.
Dogs need manners just like kids and adults do. What’s so hard about that?
I loved Cuerno and was saddened to see it go. I have to disagree with the first 2 posters, though, I thought the food was exquisite and very reminiscent of our travels to Spain. I hope he opens again somewhere with better parking sometime. I miss the squid ink paella!
Dogs become a huge part of our lives, it is a great to take them places with us. They love to go places too. My dog loves to be around people and other pets. I think this is a great idea!
So where next Fifo?..ok joking aside… My retriever and I ususally go through drive-throughs and eat in the parking lot. When the cashiers see the doggie, he sometimes gets a doggie treat!!!
In France pets are considered part of your family and are accepted most anywhere not only restaurants. At the cafe, bakery, post office you will see dogs. The only thing I judge a person by is how my dog reacts to them, my pooches are excellent judges of character. Any man who wants to get to know me, has to pass the test with my dogs first.
My active terrier would never sit through a full, civilzed meal among strangers and waitrons, but she DOES love a good cold treat on a hot day! So we’ll go to Sheridan’s (Lawrenceville Hwy, Tucker) where I can get a smoothie or frozen custard and listen to oldies, and Kasha gets a “puppy cone” just for her! The kids love watching the dog and vice versa!
I don’t think the dogs are the problem here. I think it’s just the terminology. If the question were posed as ‘what restaurants welcome dogs on their patios’, rather than ‘where do you take your dog out to dinner’ – I think those against would have responded differently.
In Ireland everyone brings their dogs along where ever they go. So much so, that when we are there we buy a box of dog biscuits to carry with us to hand out treats.
But come on folks, every one is entitled to their opinion. If someone is opposed, don’t get insulting.
Claire – you are SO wrong. My dog would rather be out and about with me than sitting inside. Seeing as how she is only 4.5 pounds she does not have the ability to be left outside alone.
We stopped by Bruster’s on Due West Road (Marietta) after taking our dogs to the Acworth Dog Park on Pitner Road. Our dogs were offered *Doggie Sundaes* (frozen vanilla ice cream or yogurt with a Milk Bone *cookie*) tucked into each one. It was a fun, unexpected treat for our pooches while we ate our own frozen treats at the outdoor, shaded seating area. I don’t know if all Bruster’s locations do this, but it was a nice surprise. Thumbs up to all dog-loving and accomodating restraunteers!
Meehan’s in the Vinings is very dog-friendly. Also, the Taco Mac in the Highlands always loves to serve my pup water from a beer bucket. At George’s and Moe’s and Joe’s, you can keep your dog outside of the patio fence and they’ll provide a water bowl for you. Same goes for the Highlander. I have heard that the Treehouse in Peachtree Hills is a haven for pets, also.
There is also a place called Park Grounds that apparently has a little dog area for patrons.
As far as dogs not wanting to sit with their owners while they eat…I’m pretty sure mine would rather be out with me and socializing with other people and pets than at home by herself. If I choose between dealing with human kids running amok, or dogs laying by someone’s feet, I’ll pick the latter every time.
My 2 dogs are not good candidates for going to a restaurant. However, dogs should be welcome if they are well-behaved. The same can be said of children – they should only be in restaurants if they can behave.
Quit doggin’ on Claire, y’all. I have three pooches of my own, and I have to agree. Besides, no one takes their dog to a restaurant for the sake of the dog. Let’s face it, they take their dog to the restaurant in the hopes of chatting up other people: basically a singles scene. I can’t believe this has been discussed so much here, and especially why I’m compelled to even respond myself. All best to dog-friendly restaurants, but I won’t be toting my 4-footed furry friends around like chattle for show in this hot weather. That’s just inhumane.
There is a great place called Park Grounds in Reynoldstown. It’s a coffee shop with coffee, sandwiches etc. and a small dog park attached to it. They also sell locally made dog treats. I take my pup every weekend. It’s great! Check it out.
I’m sorry, but my 5-year-old yellow lab is better behaved than most children I know, yet children are allowed in restaurants while my “son” is not. I would love to take him out with us occasionally so I think it’s a wonderful idea that some restaurants have opened their doggie doors to my entire family!
Have a rescue puppy who loves to go to Paddy’s pub at Chateau Elan. They are always considerate and bring water out for the dogs. Definitely would rather have dogs around that a bunch of ill mannered rug rats.
I hope folks catch the well behaved part. I am sure the manish woman that lives down the block from me will take her overly vocal mini collie and semi retarded lab mix. That menace takes those dogs everywhere and trust me, the ARE NOT Well behaved. Neither is she for that matter.
Wow. This is not a hot spot! These are what I have identified so far as restaurants willing to work with the no salt with minimal fuss: Longhorn’s and Carrabbas (as far as chains go). In Athens, there is Last Resort, The Savannah Room at UGA, Harry Bissetts (limited), and Five and Ten. If anybody can help me out and add on for Atlanta locations – that would be great. BTW a Carrabbas wait person told me they are prepared to work with any kind of diet a customer is on, including gluten free.
So far in Atlanta, I have Houston’s. I am working on Little Bankok but it is a work in progress.
A soft spot for La Fonda Paisa in the Fiesta Plaza. Despite the almost nonstop replaying of “The Punisher” and bad tejano videos, dependable barbacoa and carne asada tacos.
Well that is really a shame, as the food was excellent, the decor fun and the service just fine. Atlanta needs authentic cuisines from other parts of the world and Cuerno certainly filled that requirement wrt Spanish food.
I do agree that the parking was a little strange.
Have to agree with Dogzrule. People who complain are likely to also be the ones who let their children run wild around my table and pretend they don’t see or hear anything wrong with it.
I was in Europe last year and dogs are allowed in restaurants, subways, etc. Mind you, has to be well behaved, but that is the owner’s responsibility. (That goes for kids too)
Not gonna lie, liquid ice looks reminds me of the crap I took in my toilet last night. Not pretty. I did try a whynatte the other day and had one of the best nights of my life.
If you’re part of the AAllatoona Lake crowd, The restaurant at Victoria Landing, Props & Hops, is dog friendly, and they have water bowls. They are under a new owner this year, so as of last week, there is no alcohol, but they said soon. I went there last year and it was horrible, but the new owners have really put some good food on there It was nice to take the dog out on the lake and not have to leave her on the boat to go eat.
I believe the original purpose of this article was to request that DOG FRIENDLY people submit DOG FRIENDLY places they know. Why it turned into a forum on dog smell/behavior/acceptibility, I can only chalk up to the poor cretins (I would call them souls but I don’t think they have any) who insist on having an opinion on something they either don’t understand or know nothing about. If you hate dogs, I’m sad for you, but quit choking this comment page with your inane, unsolicited and unappreciated rhetoric; you are only proving your lack of qualification to be included here. Leave this page for those who love dogs and take your pathetic need to force your opinion on everyone somewhere else.
This place sucked at the end. Surly arrogant service, mediocre meals, parking issues and hefty price tags. I lived in Spain for a year, and the food was an attempt at authenticity……an attempt. This restaurant closed because each successive visit got worse. Who, I ask, was minding the store? Que lastima.
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JohnnyRock
March 13th, 2009
9:16 pm
Love the new blog format. Definitely easier on the eyes!
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cubalibre
March 14th, 2009
11:06 pm
Well, I wouldn’t call your husband retarded– but here lately, more often than not I’ve been seriously questioning YOUR taste. After trying some of the restaurants that you’ve given high ratings– most recently, “La Pietra Cucina”– I have to say that I’ve been underwhelmed by almost all of your recommendations (one of the few you’ve gotten right would be “Shaun’s”– but I’m sure you’ve heard that old saying about blind pigs & acorns). I used to think that you were a breath of fresh air– a nice change from Kessler’s often overblown pomposity. Lately, though, I’m beginning to realize that your palate isn’t really any more sophisticated or knowledgeable than anyone else’s. You tend to give too high a rating to places that have maybe one or two standout dishes & nothing more; this makes me wonder whether you actually try everything the kitchen has to offer, or whether you go to a place more than twice before you bestow whatever number of stars you deem it merits. I’ve followed many of your suggestions, only to find that they were mediocre or uneven at best. I think from now on that I’ll stick with Christiane Lauterbach’s recommendations– she, at least, seems to have developed a palate.
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susan
March 15th, 2009
1:43 am
I find reviews that aren’t stuffy and pompous refreshing. No one is going to agree with everything you or any critic says due to much varied palates. I too agree that the number “food & wine” snobs has become way out of control. I find a varied palate more interestig than someone who spits out the same verbose columns one after the other. Keep up the realism…a refreshing cleansing of the palate!
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Jennifer
March 15th, 2009
4:52 pm
I wouldn’t call him retarded, but I would call both of you thin-skinned. Get over it!
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Chris Broe
March 15th, 2009
7:05 pm
Retard-o-rama.
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Meridith Ford Goldman
March 16th, 2009
5:06 am
Cubalibre: Sorry to disappoint. I’ll keep your comments in mind. And I will always, always try harder. And Jennifer: I’ve got the thickest skin this side of Pluto. You have no idea.
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MJ
March 16th, 2009
2:32 pm
If you kick me out, don’t expect me to return. If you have poor customer service, you don’t deserve my business.
I dined at MF Sushibar on Friday. Once my party had paid the bill, about $170 for a table of three, we did linger for a while to talk. But we didn’t ask for continued service or water refills. The wait staff never bothered us and never made us feel unwelcome. If the restaurant was at full capacity and I saw people waiting for a spot, I would have suggested that we move to another location.
If you don’t respect your customers, you will lose them. I had a bad experience at Emeril’s regarding a rude waiter … and you know what happened to that restaurant.
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big mac
March 16th, 2009
2:38 pm
with food blogs everywhere, customer rating websites (citysearch, yelp),
everybody is a food snob. only one i count on is you Meridith
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the evil rich
March 16th, 2009
10:38 pm
Put yourself in the server’s place. You are holding them up from waiting on someone else that will help pay their salary. We eat out 7-10 times a week, and I’m not talking McDonald’s. I have NO problem with a “hint” to move along after your meal.
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martin stuart
March 16th, 2009
10:40 pm
I would not go back to a restaurant that asked me to leave. I know from my own experience how frustrating it is to have people camp out. it can be very rude and can hurt$ the server, but it is part of the buisiness.
1&1/2 hour is time to leave.
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The Truth
March 16th, 2009
10:47 pm
I once hosted a business dinner for about 12 people. After about two hours (and granted we were constantly ordering wine and additional cocktails), the host stopped by and politely explained that he needed the room for the next reservation. Without asking, he offered to buy my group a final round of drinks if we would oblige him by moving to the bar. Excellent service, no embarrassment, and a final drink to send us off. You can’t beat good service.
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keith
March 16th, 2009
11:04 pm
The restaurant is in business to make money as is the wait staff. You had sat there for over an hour and a half. The longer you sat, the more money they lost. Obviously your head was inserted up your b–t and you had no consideration for how many people walked away because they had waited so long or saw the length of the line and drove off. More money lost. That is not your living room so get you inconsiderate a– up and leave. If you want to lounge around and talk over tea, go to your living room and flap your gums all night. Your inconsideration that you think you deserve to lounge around in their diner is mind boggling so maybe they weren’t concerned that you were offended.
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paulfromatlanta
March 17th, 2009
12:36 am
Taking an an hour and a half at lunch at a crowded restaurant cuts the number of customers than can be served at this prime time by half. if you want to tie up up valuable assets the correct way to do it is by continuing to order. Otherwise you are simply not being reasonable – you would not expect to keep a hotel room or rental car or anything else twice as long when its in highest demand without compensation.
To be so rude about staying so long as to actually get thrown out likely means you are among the worst 1% of rude and/selfish customers. Its a reasonable choice for a business to lose that 1%.
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Dirty
March 17th, 2009
12:37 am
I’d be interested in the restaurant’s side of the story.
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The Really Old Man
March 17th, 2009
1:13 am
How can this happen in our NEW country with our NEW leader. Our leader and congress need to stop this outrage. No more bailout money for this restaurant. The rest of us can get our free checks from our Savior Obama but no free government money to this restaurant. I’ll bet they would not dare ask our Savior to leave after 1.5 hours.
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Mr. Charming
March 17th, 2009
1:48 am
One and a half hours of sipping tea and chatting during the lunch hour? Who the devil do you think you are? The Queen of Freaking England? Eat your meal and get the frick out!
Sure, there might have been “other tables” opening up… but were they YOUR server’s tables? Probably not… so your server is losing tips because you are want to sit and flap your gums? MOVE YOUR ASH!
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Redd
March 17th, 2009
1:48 am
I bet you cackling women were there way longer than you’re willing to admit and thus the reason you were asked to leave. I also feel that you and your giggling gals have over-stayed your welcome there before. I know that when a bunch of hens get together and get to talking about shoes and other gossiping crap you forget the time and pay no attention to anything! It’s a place of business and not a sorority house! You had plenty of time and I don’t feel that the Tea house was wrong for asking you to leave. More than likely you were asked in a nicer manner than you’ve stated. Get over it and do your tea-gossiping gatherings at each other homes. Hahahhahahahahahaha!
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derrick
March 17th, 2009
6:13 am
No, the customer is not always right, but there are still a customer. You want to treat them with respect and great customer service. Customers are wrong, but treat them with good customer service. There are always two points of view to the story.To you, your party was having a good time and shouldn’t been asked to leave. From the server and restaurant point of view, you ladies should have known the 1 1/2hr table limit if you ladies have been going there for years. You must have read the menu at least once during that time. The server would like to wait on more than just your table to make some money during her shift. If you are going to hold up her tables for that long make sure you tip accordingly.
No, the hostess should not have asked you to leave. You shaould have requested a manager and spoke with the manager. The manager probably would have handled it a little bit more proffesional than a hostess. Remember, the hostess was probably trying to help out her server friend to make. If the manager was involved, this probablly could have been handled totally different where no one got their feeling hurt.
some money.
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DB
March 17th, 2009
7:36 am
I would have been more considerate of a loyal customer. I am a lady too,and when the gossip and company is good I lose track of time.Maybe the bad publicity will make them see the error of their ways.I would NOT go back. Word of mouth goes a long way in this business.
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Scoutmma
March 17th, 2009
8:33 am
The attitude at the restaurant is the issue. It’s easy to lose track of time whilst enjoying a meal and conversation. If they were rude to you….they’ll be rude to others.
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stonecool
March 17th, 2009
8:54 am
I’ve been by that restaurant many times, and as small as it is, no one should be there more than an hour and a half!
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Bailey
March 17th, 2009
9:02 am
Remember people, if you linger at a table after you are finished dining that is fine – make sure you tip the waiter nicely! After all you are taking up space at the table that another paying customer could have. No reason to kick someone out because they are finished with the meal.
Half the enjoyment is fellowship!
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Owner of a "Grown-up" restaurant
March 17th, 2009
9:03 am
The only time it’s OK to kick you out of a restaurant is if you’re there with your smelly, sticky, bratty kids who are running around, annoying others, not using their “indoor voices” and generally just being disruptive. Leave my restaurant and, I don’t care if you ever come back – I have plenty of other customers who will continue to patronize my establishment.
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Tom
March 17th, 2009
9:08 am
I think asking you to leave was fine. You were not spending any more money, and were taking up a table that otherwise could represent income for your server. My guess is that you were probably given multiple hints before they finally asked you to leave, but you chose to leave these out of the story. They probably had finally decided to enforce the table time limit once they realized you were not getting the hint.
I agree with the majority here – you were being selfish here. The customer is not always right. What if you said, “I’d like my meal for free.” So – is the customer always right? Certainly not. “well, that’s unreasonable” you say. OK – then you understand that your hour and a half loitering is also unreasonable.
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Surprise...Surprise
March 17th, 2009
9:12 am
I am SO surprised that someone has been able to display his or her blatant racism and distain for President Obama in an issue that has nothing to do with either. I am so surprised!!! Some of you bloggers are such one trick ponies and I am so bored!
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Tom
March 17th, 2009
9:12 am
To the “grown up” restaurant owner:
I’ve seen more adults act the way you describe than children. I hope I never have to dine in your establishment. If I ever do and get the attitude I hear coming from your “grown up” mouth, I’ll make sure I mention your restaurant to all I am able. And be assured it won’t bring you any business.
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Owner of a "Grown-up" restaurant
March 17th, 2009
9:18 am
Go for it, Tom. Don’t need your whiny azz in my place, anyway. Sounds like you’re the adult version of one of those bratty kids – too bad your mama didn’t raise you well.
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Tom
March 17th, 2009
9:28 am
“Grown up” – wow – name calling (”whiny azz”), put-downs (”you’re the adult version…”), insulting my mother? Interesting comments from the owner of a “grown up” restaurant! You should have left your message deleted…
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TJ
March 17th, 2009
9:43 am
Why does everyone in this country feel entitled for compensation if something doesnt go right??? Get a life. When the wait is long to get into Brickstore I dont demand a free gift, and I wouldnt ask for one if they kicked me out.
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JJ
March 17th, 2009
9:44 am
Sometimes we linger. A group of girlfriends looses track of time, and yes, we tip appropriately.
We always warn them when our HUGE group walks in the door, we are loud and noisy. Put us in the back where we will not bother the other patrons. We may linger, but we will be sure to compensate our server handsomely!!!!
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Sugar
March 17th, 2009
9:45 am
Some of you need to get off your high horse. Does this really affect YOU?
It amazes me how total strangers can be so mean and say hurtful things. Can’t we all just get along? Geezz people. Lighten up. We only get one go around at this thing called life, so let’s enjoy our time while we are here.
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Ressa
March 17th, 2009
9:57 am
Thank you Sugar
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ajani
March 17th, 2009
10:03 am
When I have stayed more than I guess comfortable time we always tip very well. Most servers don’t mind if they are getting the same tip as they would if they sat another group. They actually like that they don’t have to serve us that much but make a great tip. Everyone is happy.
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Vince
March 17th, 2009
10:14 am
Surprise…Surprise,
Show me where there was racism. I’m surprised you don’t get it!
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Grown Up
March 17th, 2009
10:16 am
Amen to you, Grown Up Restaurant Owner!! I’ll spend any amount of money to eat and converse without the screams of the spawn of parents too cheap to spring for a sitter. There is nothing more infuriating than lazy parents who are so immune to the noise of their brats that they sit back and inflict it on the rest of us.
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restaurantmanager
March 17th, 2009
10:18 am
I can honestly see both sides of the story. Yes my servers and restaurant need to turn tables during peak hours. However, I would never feel like it is ok to ask a guest to leave! The only exception is at the end of the night, when there is one table in the restaurant, we need to lock up for security purposes. Restaurants are in the business of serving people, and I think most respectable places will do whatever it takes to make the guest happy, even if it means slower table turns. What good does it do to upset your guests? You will end up with none.
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E
March 17th, 2009
10:22 am
I think that a restaurant is within its right to impose an hour and a half time limit. However, this situation was obviously not handled properly. A little customer service and ample notification BEFORE you were seated would have avoided this problem. My problem with this is that the “reader’s” version is the only version of the story we get, so I am sure she wants to sound like she is in the right. I believe that she was probably there longer than she claims or there would be no reason for her to be upset about being asked to leave after the time limit. As someone who has waited tables, I will say that most people don’t tip for their time spent CAMPING at tables and employees have a right to get frustrated if the stay becomes excessive.
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DB
March 17th, 2009
10:29 am
One of my old bosses was so generous, he would take his entire staff to dine at Atlanta’s best at lunch for special occasions or just because. An “ordinary” lunch treat was the original Pilgreen’s in West End. His favorite comfort food lunch in the office was a fried Spam sandwich with mustard on white bread. He held a Master’s Degree in business, and was the epitome of refinement and good taste. Don’t tell Scott Peacock but I love jello with canned fruit cocktail.
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Bren
March 17th, 2009
10:48 am
As a former waitress, I understand the server’s want/need to turn the table. That said, I had people sit at tables for FIVE hours and then tip only on the bill. When you are going to take up a table for hours, then you should definitely tip the server based on the time you took the table from other tipping customers and not just the amount of the bill. Unfortunately, most people aren’t aware enough of this to do so. That said, we never kicked people out of our restaurant and like others have said, the bad word of mouth that this restaurant will get from this incident wasn’t worth it in the overall scheme of things.
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hazer
March 17th, 2009
10:49 am
Sounds like restaurantmanager has figured out what the owner of a “grown-up” restaurant has yet to learn. Hope they’re not at the same establishment, for soon we may find the servant is the master. Then again, that would be a good thing in that case (^;
This is simple really: the group stayed too long without compensation, the hostess handled the situation improperly. Two wrongs don’t make a right, so no one wins. Give it another shot, and follow the rules now that you are aware of them. Or keep ordering and/or inform your server that you plan to compensate them for the time. If mistreated again, don’t go back.
As far as kids in restaurants: if you don’t want them there, don’t have a kids menu. And parents shouldn’t take theirs to restaurants that don’t feature one. This isn’t rocket surgery, folks (^;
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Texas
March 17th, 2009
11:00 am
I have worked in several restaurants and I have seen managers offer after dinner drinks to the customers when we have a wait to relocate to the bar. I have seen rude customers who have dined from 4:30pm until 9:30pm with checks less than $100 for a party of 2 to 4 and the tip is horrible. Some customers are very respectful and will let the hostess or server know that they will be dining for awhile, to catch up with a long time friend or a business meeting. This is very understood. Customers have also stated that they will tip accordingly over the 20%. However, there are so many customers that could careless and feel like the restaurants should owe them something, because they are use to making a scene at restaurants. This is what some rude people do, they live off handouts. They don’t care if the server gets paid or not. This is why some restaurants after a certain hour charge for entry into their establishment. People want to be seen and want spend any money. If you feel the need to dine all day, have a luncheon at someones home and have it catered.
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Mike
March 17th, 2009
11:18 am
The owner of the “grown-up” restaurant reminded me of a Miss Manners column in which a manager indicated that people didn’t know how to act in “finer” restaurants. Her response began “finer than what?” and proceeded to berate him for expecting his customers to behave in a way that only benefited the management.
I think the restaurant was out of line to ask them to leave, unless it was after the lunch hour and they were trying to clean up. If there weren’t people waiting, whose business was the server losing?
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Cindy
March 17th, 2009
11:46 am
Unless it is explicitly posted there is a time-limit for lunch, then this behavior by the wait staff is wrong, rude and wrong.
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deegee
March 17th, 2009
11:49 am
If you want to spend time with your friends and take a leisurely lunch, why not invite them over to your home and entertain them there? If you really want to go out to eat, why not pay the check and relocate yourselves so that you can continue to chat? I have never heard of a time limit on tables. Something tells me that was some b.s. that was concocted by the staff in order to appear justified in what they were doing. I, too would like to hear their side of the story.
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Eric
March 17th, 2009
11:55 am
Hazer…….I don’t like misbehaved kids at a restaurant anymore than the next guy, but I think you are misguided in your advice. The kids menu isn’t an excuse for misbehaved kids. If your kids can’t behave, don’t take them regardless of whether there is a kids menu or not.
As for lingering…..that’s interesting. I guess I would argue that although in poor taste, who is to say what a patron is entitled to for their business. I don’t think 1 hour and 25 minutes is very long. What is the going rate per hour after and hour and a half to rent a table these days ? I don’t know. At some point, if I am dropping 200+ on a dinner and the waiter/waitress is going to receive 40+ dollars for 3 hours of her time……I don’t think they have a beef with me sitting there. But at the same time, I am not quite sure why I am supposed to tip the waitress more for running back to get my steak than I am for getting my chicken tenders just because they are more expensive, but I still do so.
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Sheri
March 17th, 2009
11:57 am
I too feel that we did not get all of the initial story. I think there were probably more hints given than she is willing to admit, or maybe her party did not “get” the hints and were finally asked to leave. I honestly feel like 1.5 hours is more than enough time to have a ladies lunch. Any longer than that and you should move your little party elsewhere.
My personal opinion is, if you have finished your meal, and are not going to order dessert, drinks, etc., you should pay your check and leave. This is what I do when I go out to eat. If you continue to linger for a considerable amount of time and are no longer ordering, I think the restaurant manager should visit your table and kindly ask that you vacate the table for the next customer. If the hostess approached the group of ladies as described above then she went about it the wrong way. However, while her approach may be in need of some tact, I still feel that she was within the realm of what is reasonable to ask the party to leave. She did give them all complimentary tea.
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Bootney Farnsworth
March 17th, 2009
11:59 am
I dined at the Fox Sports Grill two Summers ago for the first time. A long line formed outside, and even though I was continuing to purchase more food and drinks for myself and a friend, we were asked to leave to acommodate the next line of patrons coming in the door. Most of the so called patrons were just coming in to watch the games or loiter about. I felt it was rude to be asked to leave, especially when I was still making purchases. Needless to say, I won’t dine there again.
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Army Wife
March 17th, 2009
12:04 pm
I work at a restaurant and we would never ask someone to leave. Yes, it stinks when people camp out at the table because it does have an effect on the server’s money, but it happens and you just have to deal with it.
As for the restaurant rule that the customer is always right, no they are not. I had a customer be so rude to me because he wanted loaded potato skins and I told him we didn’t carry them. He asked me how long I had worked there and I said three years and we haven’t had them since i’ve worked here. He proceeded to tell me that I was wrong and that he had them the last time he was there. About 5 minutes later he looked like a fool when he realized he was at Chili’s and not O’Charley’s. Also, I had a customer call me a b***h because he wanted a certain shot and we were out of one of the liquors. When I brought out the check he refused to pay it since he felt that if we were out of that liquor, he should not have to pay for ANY of his drinks. Again, WRONG.
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Bob
March 17th, 2009
12:06 pm
Not if they want me or anyone I can get a hearing with to ever come back. If I wanted McD’s, I would go there, but even McD’s doesn’t do that.
Whatever they may think about themselves, they are as low class as it gets.
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Bob
March 17th, 2009
12:06 pm
By the way, I’d like to know which restaurant it is so I can avoid it.
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catlady
March 17th, 2009
12:11 pm
I don’t fault the restaurant here; an hour and a half for lunch is excessive. I doubt the restaurant reallyneeds these self-absorbed, obtuse, rude folks.
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Stu B.
March 17th, 2009
12:18 pm
One the one hand, restaurants – and servers – rely on “turning tables” especially during the busiest times of the day to generate revenue (and tips in the case of the staff). My guess is that these days this is more important than ever. On the other hand, customers should be allowed to enjoy the food and the service for which they have paid.
If a restaurant does not explicitly tell customers there is a time limit, then it should not enforce one, and jilted customers should never go back. If it does have a limit, customers should abide by it or just find a new place to eat. The market will determine the outcome. If a restaurant has sufficient clientele to enforce limits it will do so if it chooses. If it can’t afford to lose customers it probably will not – the caveat being it will put less servers on the floor and give them more tables to cover. You’ll end up sitting longer but will have poorer service. And, if you go to a place regularly and are identified by the staff as a lingerer, your service will be poorer still. It’s up to you!
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Jim
March 17th, 2009
12:24 pm
The funniest thing you may read today is this quote ON THIS RESTAURANT’S OWN WEB SITE!
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Oops…sounds like they didn’t communicate that whole philosophy with the staff.
Seriously, an hour and a half!!! That wasn’t that long for a group lunch. Given that no advance notice was given I’d say she’s right to be upset.
I once tried to eat at Loca Luna on New Years Eve. Sat down, and was told, only at the end of our meal, that there was a 2 hour table limit. We had a table full, and had intended to spend the time snacking and drinking, so it would not have been a “cheap” table. We still had to go.
We tried to hang out, but the place was becoming so jammed with everyone else who was getting kicked off their tables but not leaving that we finally bailed. Went to one of our houses, and probably had a better evening than we would have had we stayed.
Guess how many times we’ve been back to Loca Luna?
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Jim
March 17th, 2009
12:25 pm
Let’s try the quote part again. here it is
“When asked what she loves about tea, Tea Leaves owner Kim Jordy’s answer was simple. ‘Everything… the food, the ritual, the fact that you have totake time to slow down. You can’t rush the water boiling. You can’t rush the tea steeping. In today’s hectic world, it forces you to slow down.’ “
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Bob
March 17th, 2009
12:29 pm
If I ever saw a time limit posted in a restaurant, I would turn around and walk out. If you’re too stupid to run your business in such a way as to allow for people to actually sit and enjoy themselves, that’s your own fault.
We don’t go to restaurants to be injected with some calories and a little pleasant tingle on our tongues. We go to spend time with people. Eating is part of it, but the gastrointestinal benefit can be achieved far more efficiently in other ways. If you want your business to be a part of the that most important ritual of life–eating meals together–then you need to plan accordingly.
As to the children, the best solution is for parents to train their children. They’re not monkeys. I have three, 8, 5 and 16 months, and all of them behave in the restaurant because we teach them to.
I would be very happy for all you child-hating, family and friendship-berating sour-pusses to go stick your mouths under food faucets and get a couple of pumps and leave me and my 30% tipping self and my family and my friends to enjoy a proper dining experience where we can find one in this barbaric world.
I think you waiters and “grown up” restaurant owners need to identify your restaurants to test out whether we think your philosophy is really what the market demands.
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Bob
March 17th, 2009
12:30 pm
One more by the way…if I ever feel rushed, you can count on me being there a good while longer.
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Katharine
March 17th, 2009
12:37 pm
I don’t think a restaurant should kick people out unless they are being unruly or disruptive in some way. It’s not the customer’s fault if the restaurant has overbooked their reservations, or they are understaffed for the evening. If they want return business, they should try to leave the best impression possible in the customer’s mind. In these days of the Internet, word about poor treatment travels fast!
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MerryMary
March 17th, 2009
12:50 pm
When I’m out having lunch with one particular friend, we tend to linger longer. We benefit the server by always tipping double and refer to it as “paying rent.” I don’t guess that helps the establishment, but if we saw lines forming waiting for tables out of consideration we’d leave without being asked.
(I was once married to a restaurant owner and am still aware of the need to “turn” tables…..)
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Dick
March 17th, 2009
12:52 pm
I can shoot the cow, cut it up, grill it’s butt and eat it in an hour and a half. What the heck takes you so long unless you’re continuing to drink?
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Sport
March 17th, 2009
12:52 pm
I would LOVE to eat lunch and be in and out within one hour. However lately it takes 10 mintes to take the order, 20-30 minutes to get the food…even if it is a small salad and water, because “the kitchen is backed up with orders” at this point I am not going to wolf down my food so you can have the table ready to go in 1 1/2 hours. It is rude to think so.
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debbis
March 17th, 2009
12:53 pm
I have eaten at this place for years and they are very busy and always nice to the customers. They run a excellent place and 1.5 hours is long enough to eat and visit. I’ve had to wait before because they were packed and my table would not leave. The owner has learned that just asking certain women finish up doesn’t work. Sometimes you have to be to the point to get the point across. Don’t over stay your welcome. This is a wonderful place to go and eat and the food is great.
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Marty
March 17th, 2009
12:53 pm
Bottom line here is you are in a PRIVATE business. You don’t own it or have a major stake in its rise or fall. Eat and get on with you life. Why would anyone think it is ok to just hang out holding up people from making money and feeding their family? Oh wait that right we are now in the ‘It’s all about me” era. Write your President maybe he will tax them to death so you won’t have them to worry about.
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Sport
March 17th, 2009
1:01 pm
I’ve come to the point, after reading all the wines and cranky people… If the location would provide good customer service and the customer would be polite with thier manners, this problem would be moot. However, I now believe a bunch of you ***ches should pack lunch at home.
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Bigsquatch
March 17th, 2009
1:02 pm
I thinks these ol’ burds was gittin’ freaky n’ frisky an management just don’t need that around!
Ladies sleepin’ in they tea. Denture creams just stankin’ up the joint, and they been probably leavin’ nickles and stealin’ pickles- or them fancy sugar packets- fo’ years!
Catchin’ up on ol’ lady gossip? You can do that in back in th’ trailer! A tea house is a busness and yo’ busness was thru!
Don’t come all stanky-in up mah joint! Momma’d sick the dawgs on you!
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Carolyn
March 17th, 2009
1:13 pm
I worked at tea leaves & thyme. Saturdays are busy. they are closed on Sunday and Monday. Partys are booked for 1hour & half. If you want time to chatt with friends, go on tuesday or wednesday.
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AJ
March 17th, 2009
1:15 pm
The cruel comments on this board (and others) disappoints me. I was going to say “disgusts me”, which is accurate, but I don’t understand why people feel such a need to spew hatred. Well, I guess I do understand, their lives are so awful, that it makes them feel better to be cruel to others. And yes, I’m now prepared to be the recipient. Come get me. I use the same name (AJ) on every post, so fire away.
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The Voice
March 17th, 2009
1:18 pm
Let’s see now….Economy is in the crapper, people and families are living in tent cities, unemployment approaching 10%, a Marxist in the White House, No difference between Dimocraps and Reptbubs, gas at nearly $2 a gallon after going to $4 a gallon, President wants to make our wounded service men and women pay for their injuries by using their own insurance…..and here we are….debating an issue of how long a group of bored, air headed house-slugs spend over tea. There is no hope we are lost.
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CJ in Atlanta
March 17th, 2009
1:27 pm
I think it’s fair to be asked to leave. It’s rude to the people standing, waiting for a table when you (who are sitting) see them obviously hungry and waiting. If you want to lounge after dinner, you should go home. Otherwise, keep ordering food or drinks so that the waitor and restaurant can make ends meet!
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The Voice
March 17th, 2009
1:27 pm
By the way…I wonder if the writer and the AJC are loaded up with lawyers to handle the libel suit that is surely pending.
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Stephanie
March 17th, 2009
1:38 pm
I have only been to Tea Leaves and Thyme once (and will never go back)about 7 years ago on a Saturday for a baby shower. I don’t think an hour and a half is enough, considering it takes a half hour just to use the restroom. They had everybody in that place packed in like sardines. You could not move, much less get up. I know you have to “drive a certain number of cattle” through to make money, but customer comfort is also important. People come in for special get togethers – it’s not ALL about YOU Mr. or Mrs. Owner.
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NSXV70
March 17th, 2009
1:38 pm
People need to quit being rude and selfish and lingering for hours to eat like they’re the only ones in the place. If you want to sit and talk for hours, eat at home. Quit holding everyone else up and making everyone lose money.
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Ron
March 17th, 2009
1:47 pm
I promise you that there is more to this story and of course the restaurant’s side. Lady said they were seated shortly after arriving. Subsequent patrons probably left and took their business elsewhere after having to wait so long for a table and there goes more profits/tips. Restaurant would probably be happy to lose this lady’s business. I assure you they were giving several subtle hints before someone had to “drop the bomb”.
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The Voice
March 17th, 2009
1:48 pm
No Stephanie….it is all about you. and I bet they don’t give a good rat’s a$$ if you ever come back
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lovelyliz
March 17th, 2009
1:49 pm
Restaurants don’t make $$$$ if they don’t move tables.
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Tyree
March 17th, 2009
1:51 pm
If you’re concerned about the time element rent a banquet hall for an entire afternoon evening. That way when you have your special event, you can spend hour upon hour in comfort and leisure. Meanwhile, be respectful and allow a business to operate as such. To turn tables in a respective time and make a profit. It’s not ALL about YOU.
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JJ
March 17th, 2009
1:54 pm
I met an old friend at Provino’s one Saturday afternoon. We had not seen each other in over 10 years. We told the waitress that we had not seen each other, and we would love to be able to sit and chat. They weren’t very busy, and we sat at that table for 3.5 hours. We tipped her very well. We also looked around, and noticed there was no one in the restaurant except us. The waitress was very accommodating, and at one point we told her we were fine, we just wanted to sit and talk. She was so very nice, and we sat and got all caught up. She never bothered us except to walk by occassionally to see if our waters were in need of refilling.
It was a very pleasant experience.
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lovelyliz
March 17th, 2009
1:56 pm
One of my friend’s mother has been a waitress for decades. Her experience is that the vast majority of lingerers don’t order much at all after their initial meal. This often means and hour or more of refills, all that service and not once more dime of revenue or tipping.
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The Voice
March 17th, 2009
2:03 pm
By the way Steph….if it takes you an hour and a half to use the bathroom I can recommend a good gastroenterologist.
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Mark
March 17th, 2009
2:17 pm
Sure, I’ll leave. But I’m taking the front door with me.
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Grandma
March 17th, 2009
2:18 pm
I’ve just spent my lunch break at work reading all the comments, yes, I’ve been a waitress, a hostess, and a guest at fine restaurants. What is my comment? What is all this fuss about? The only thing that came to mind was, how about all of the people who, in these hard times, can’t affored to buy enough groceries to feed their families. I rest my case.
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Miss Lamb
March 17th, 2009
2:20 pm
Dear Voice – Regarding your 1:18 posting – Yes, there are serious problems in the world but we can’t linger on them all the time or we would surely go crazy. There is still room for visiting restaurants AND debating about our experiences there and there is also time for meaningful (and mindless) conversation, playing cards, joking around, watching Seinfeld reruns, petting dogs, walking in the rain, reading blogs, etc., etc., etc.
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Tyree
March 17th, 2009
2:25 pm
Once again a perfect example of the rules don’t apply to me syndrome. Now, I get to play the victim. The staff prompted this party 15 minutes before. Now upon being requested to leave, she gets an attitude of I’ve been abused. The reader was not a victim of anything. Maybe in the future she will be more considerate.
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Robert
March 17th, 2009
2:27 pm
If the restaurant isn’t busy I don’t see any problem with relaxing and talking for awhile. However, I was in a breakfast restaurant recently where several groups were waiting for a table to open up and one man was sitting there slowly going through what looked like a months worth of mail. That was totally inconsiderate and rude!
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lovelyliz
March 17th, 2009
2:36 pm
My gym has signs on the machine that place a limit of 30 minutes when people are waiting.
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Ben
March 17th, 2009
2:44 pm
So does my girlfriend.
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mford
March 17th, 2009
2:47 pm
For everyone wanting the restaurant’s response: please see today’s blog post!
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Sweet Trouble
March 17th, 2009
2:49 pm
Sitting at a table for an hour and a half is too long. I’m sorry. As a woman who has both been a server and a customer I understand the need for customers to get in and get out. Most people don’t sit down with their families to dinner for an hour and a half but the expect to go out to eat and sit there forever. Sometimes its not about how many customers are in the place. What if the table you were hogging only seats 4 and there was a party of 4 waiting and there were only tables for 2 available. Should you not keep it moving. Or what if you were that servers last table in her shit and she had something to do after work but couldn’t cause you were still yapping your mouth and she couldn’t close out. I think customers should definitely be more considerate when they sit down instead of acting like its always the server!
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Dee
March 17th, 2009
2:50 pm
I’ve been waiting tables for years, and there are a *lot* of ways to silently (and politely)(and impolitely!) suggest that it’s “time to go”. But if my section isn’t full and the restaurant isn’t on a wait…then no, I don’t mind lingering.
But I also think there is more to the story than is being said.
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Lady Di
March 17th, 2009
2:57 pm
I have been eating at this restaurant for several years now and have nothing bad to say about it… the food, the service, the teas… all very good!! As for the article well… I think it is only fair that they set limits for clients… 1st of all this is a VERY busy & small restaurant. You have to make reservations several days before and have to be there ON TIME… b/c people are always waiting!! It’s an obvious assumption that one would not go there for a 2 hour lunch!?!! So, quit your wining and go to Waffle house down the street if you want to take your sweet time “Gossiping”;)
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Mark
March 17th, 2009
2:57 pm
Re: Children in restaurants. Your snotty nosed, squealing, loud, obnoxious, unparented spawns need to go to places that cater to the such. McD’s and CiCi”s are a few examples. Your spawns are only cute to YOU!! To the remainder of us, they are irritants.
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Mark
March 17th, 2009
2:59 pm
Ben, I’ll jig with her for 30 mins. She look good?
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Mike
March 17th, 2009
3:01 pm
If you know you are going to lounge around, sip tea, and chat for an extended amount of time after the meal then obviously time is not of the essence. Just be considerate enough to dine on the later side of the prime lunch hour.
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mford
March 17th, 2009
3:03 pm
Hey Ben and Mark: Knock it off, will ya?
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Pat
March 17th, 2009
3:07 pm
Good for you. I hate it when people think they are above everyone and how “they are always right” when they visit a resturant.
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DowntownGuy
March 17th, 2009
3:17 pm
Come downtown ladies for your next outing. We have plenty of wonderful places in Buckhead, Midtown, Virginia Highland, Downtown Decatur, Inman Park, the Old Fourth Ward, Poncey Highland, Candler Park and elsewhere where you can linger, gossip, chit-chat and enjoy a wonderful meal, excellent service, outdoor patios and each others company…for as long as you wish
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Scooter
March 17th, 2009
3:26 pm
Definitely okay. It appears that the two ladies were drinking 2 teas and nothing else. The restaurant is a business and it looks like they are going to be losing about $2.50 x 2 every Friday. I’m not sure they are going to be worried about the loss.
Those ladies should have a little respect and take their teas elsewhere.
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Becky
March 17th, 2009
3:27 pm
If they couldn’t eat & talk within the time that she says, they should of went elsewhere..Like others have said, she probably had been given a nicer warning & ignored it..
I have been a waitress, cook & a bartender & I’ve dealt with some very rude people that just didn’t think that they needed to tip…I know that I’m going catch flack for this, but as a rule (IMO) women don’t tip as good as men, so I’m thinking that these ladies were known for being bad tippers & that’s why the hostess may have been rude to them..
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Tyree
March 17th, 2009
3:38 pm
Respectfully, I’ve gotta disagree with you on this one Meredith. I side with the restaurant owner here. Some people, want to be unhappy. The customer is not always right. Especially, if being impolite and throwing a hissy fit. Sorry.
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catlady
March 17th, 2009
3:40 pm
Once again, the old sense of entitlement rears its ugly head. “We paid for our lunch, so we are entitled to hold this table for however long we wish.” Sounds like the restaurant owner was far nicer than I would have been. An intelligent person would not have to be told to move on, it seems to me. “It’s just us and the girls” is no excuse. What the customer could not appreciate is what if the person before HER at the table had decided to do the same thing and she had to wait for 45 minutes.
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Victoria
March 17th, 2009
3:46 pm
I lived in Europe for 2 years, mostly in London and I noticed something that I kind of liked about my dining experiences.
The waiters are paid minimum wage or higher. You do not have to tip, if you had good service, leaving between 5 and 10% is more than acceptable at even nice restaurants. The waiters are not rude, they leave you to enjoy your meal and conversation because they are not trying to hurry you out of there, cuz they are not paid a slave wage of $2 an hour. If you need something, you wave your hand and the waiter comes to see what you need.
I am surprised more people have not mentioned this as a problem in our restaurants here. I always feel rushed because I know the server needs to make money. I wish we would just pay them a respectable wage so our dining experiences could be more relaxed…
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Mark
March 17th, 2009
3:53 pm
DowntownGuy, I prefer to eat at white restaurants where I don’t have to look at the wannabe thugs and other human flotsom.
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ihorizon
March 17th, 2009
3:59 pm
Last Father’s Day, my daughter and I treated her dad to his favorite steakhouse chain restaurant for lunch. This location was the first time we had eaten there and we arrived just as doors were opened for business. We were seated right away and ordered our lunch requests. We barely took a bite of our appetizers and sipped our drinks before our salads then our lunch meal arrived promptly. Clearly seeing the overabundance of food on the table, we had no choice but ask for to-go boxes. From that perspective you can clearly see that we were being rushed through our meal. My husband was disappointed at the way this meal was been handled on his special day. And worst part was there were hardly any patrons inside to justify the rush. We didn’t complain as we chalked it up to special day jitters and visited again a couple times thereafter. The second visit went smoothly but the third visit I had politely requested a booth near a window as it was somewhat dark inside. The waiter promptly refused and I was shocked to be denied this request as this again was early lunch and there were very few patrons. I had explained my reasons and still denied. Needless to say we did not feel comfortable eating there so we kept to our regular steakhouse location and let this steakhouse know this was “our home”.
Another incident took place a few years ago where I would occassionally drive the two hours to visit my family in Middle Georgia. They don’t have call ahead seating in some establishments there so we would just all drive up and meet up at the restaurant and put in one name and how many in the party as a group (usually about 9 of us). The wait time is usually one and a half hour. Well, this one particular time we were seated all but two as they were running few minutes behind, the manager stopped by our corner booth table to complain that we were not to be seated until our remaining patrons are here which my relatives explained they will be inside shortly. In fact they were trying to get into the lobby full of patrons. He wouldn’t let the matter go so finally I spoke up and said, Sir, we eat here often and seeing that I personally drove from Atlanta to meet my family and I alone picked this place to eat, I don’t think you should be harsh as you are to us. Secondly, rest of our party is outside trying to come in through your lobby so if you would kindly seat them so we can eat. Otherwise, I need the number to your district manager and another restaurant! I never clearly understood why we were seated first after waiting all that time and then denied the table – after seating us!!! He desperately tried his best to remedy the mood and apologize to us all but the damage was done. We had a laugh much later but it shows sometimes it is not the customers that is out of line.
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Spring for a Babysitter, for Gawd's Sake
March 17th, 2009
4:03 pm
Mark, I couldn’t have said it better myself. I refuse to eat at what I call “Crap on the Wall” restaurants (chain restaurants with all kinds of decorative stuff on the walls) because it’s a haven for selfish, oblivious parents with obnoxious kids. The sad thing is, even the more upscale places in ATL are becoming overrun with loud kids banging silverware, screaming, running around, climbing over booths, etc. And, no, I don’t hate kids. I just believe that there are certain places, like strip clubs, First Class cabins and nice restaurants, where they should not be allowed.
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Business Traveler
March 17th, 2009
4:37 pm
I am a woman and an excellent tipper (Becky)and a great customer. At the end of my meal I am usually complimented on how wonderful it is to wait on me.
That being said, I was in a resturant two years ago with some co-workers. We ordered appetizers, entrees, desserts and after dinner drinks. We continued to order. We were celebrating a large deal. The waitress came by a few times and we could tell she was anxious. I asked her if she needed the table. She stated yes, that it was one of the favorites. I told her no problem. She offered us two additional rounds of drinks in the bar section. We gladly took the drinks and left a hefty tip. She went out of her way to come and thank us (and chat with us) at the bar.
“Table turn” is how they make their money. If you are going to chat it up, go at non-peak hours. It is common sense and decency.
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cubalibre
March 17th, 2009
4:39 pm
I side with the restaurant here, too, with the caveat that there is always a nice way to ask patrons to relinquish their tables. Regardless of how long the ladies were taking over their lunch, there was no reason for the hostess to be rude or abrupt, as it is not difficult for one to be firm and polite at the same time. If, in fact, the restaurant does have a 1 & 1/2 hour time limit, this should definitely be posted in a conspicuous place (I didn’t see the time limit posted anywhere on their website– if it’s this important to them, then they might want to remedy that). I agree with the poster who commented about the restaurants in Europe; I’ve had service that varied from great to mediocre (just like here), but never did I feel rushed or hurried along (in fact, in London, most establishments have two price tiers: one for dine-in, and one for take-away).
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reservoirDAWG
March 17th, 2009
4:40 pm
Victoria, they could be paid a respestable wage. Keep in mind though, prices would double and these little snots that wait tables would still expect a 15-20% tip.
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MIke
March 17th, 2009
4:44 pm
All the problems caused when the business expects the customer to pay the employee’s salary directly. If they would pay properly, where a tip was assumed to be voluntary and a reward for exceptional service and the employee could still receive a fair wage, we wouldn’t have as many of these issues. Regardless of the minimum wage law, the business should should the responsibility of paying their employees fairly.
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Jason
March 17th, 2009
4:50 pm
If you want to know the true colors of someone, just watch how they treat the staff at a restaurant.
Having been a waiter, and now eat out every day because I travel for work, “the customer is always right” motto is only appropriate when they act like a customer. If they go way beyond that, you can use the (what would a reasonable person do) test to figure that out yourself, then it’s not a bad thing for the customer to get fired. Anybody “customer” who treats a waiter, waitress or establishment with a complete lack of respect should be fired.
If a manager and/or owner has their staff’s back, then they tend to retain their best staff. Anyplace that has a consistent staff will always have better service than a place with a lot of turnover. Alfredo’s is the BEST example of this.
It looks like this tea place has been around for a while, so they’re doing something right.
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Dino
March 17th, 2009
4:57 pm
I would never return to a restaurant that moved me out before I was ready. If that’s their policy in this economy, they will not last long.
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Tyree
March 17th, 2009
4:58 pm
Mark, make sure your spelling is correct. It’s human flotsam. If you’re going to try and be disparaging to an entire community, at least get the spelling correct of your sophomoric, racist hurls right.
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Elite Restaurant Manager
March 17th, 2009
5:06 pm
At my restaurant (one of the nicer places in the city) we have to deal with all kind of rude customers complaining about every little thing plus all the unsophisticated rif raf that doesn’t know how to act in a nice place. Plus, they don’t tip the servers very well. In our facility, 30% tips are expected and if you leave less than that, you should go to cattle troughs like Chilis or O’Charleys, with the rest of the cheapos. If you come to my restaurant, you shouldn’t linger, since we always have a waiting list of important customers who want the table when they come and don’t like to wait.
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lovelyliz
March 17th, 2009
5:09 pm
Isn’t it amazing how rude behavior is usually defined as behavior we would not want others to impose on us?
I still remember working my way through college in a restaurant where people would regularly come in 10 minutes before we were due to close and sit for and hour chit chatting.
Staff should be courteous to the customer, but that should be returned by the customer.
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Walt
March 17th, 2009
5:15 pm
You have obviously never been a server. Have a little self awareness, if people are waiting on a table and you are sitting there talking, you are rude. Consider other patrons, and the servers who are there to make a living, not to cater your conversation.
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big mac
March 17th, 2009
6:16 pm
the restaurant owner is right. sometimes you just have a customer who is a trouble maker.
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big mac
March 17th, 2009
6:18 pm
how come you dont respond meredith?
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FoodKing
March 17th, 2009
6:19 pm
The U.S. should adopt the European system—pay workers a fair wage and abolish tipping, except for exceptional service, which is rare in the restaurants I go to. Many servers act like they are doing you some big favor by bringing drinks and food, and get annoyed when you ask for anything else.
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chris
March 17th, 2009
7:32 pm
I woke in the hospitality industry as well and feel the customer is not always right, sometimes they are drinking or just unhappy people who feel their server is there to be abused. Kids are fine if they are dining, realize again the server is not there to babysit and just as you would get angry at a yipping dog while you eat your kids can be just the same to other diners. One this is odd and the main point of the thread, while I have worked at places with 2 seatings(time limits on tables) its not on this places website. Should be if that’s the basic rule, state it politely with the tea menu, all tea services not to exceed 1.5 hours or something along those lines.
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oldandntheway
March 17th, 2009
9:38 pm
I think the world would be a better place if everyone had to work for tips at some point in their life.
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DB
March 18th, 2009
4:41 am
I hope they lose all their customers. I can not fathom being asked to leave a “ladies who lunch” tea party, unless I was having a psychotic episode in public.
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Steve
March 18th, 2009
7:12 am
I’m with the restaurant on this one. Those ladies are what is wrong with this country. Everyone feeling entitled and owed something. Thoses stupid women should not have been so inconsiderate of those around her. I will gladly go and eat at this restaurant very soon. Good going Jordy!!!!!
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tc
March 18th, 2009
10:54 am
Sounds like the customer was at least partly to blame, which brings up the modern translation of the old rule:
“The customer may not always be right, but the customer is always the customer, and that gives him the right to be wrong.”
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Tom
March 18th, 2009
11:18 am
I disagree with Meredith. Hospitality over hostility? Sounds like your friend was the one offering up a heaping portion of hostility, not the restaurant. It sounds to me like the restaurant really bent over backwards for her, but like they said some people just cannot be pleased no matter what.
Like I and many suspected and voiced yesterday, there was indeed “another side” to this story – that of the restaurant, and I am very glad you followed up with their side. It sounds as if the only way that this customer would be satisfied was if she and her friends were allowed to camp out indefinitely at that table. She was not willing to settle for anything less. So I still side with the restaurant on this incident, as such an attitude goes beyond unreasonable. Perhaps this party should have booked enough reservations so they could stay all day.
Victoria – you must have missed yesterday’s discussion – the issue of “Wages and Not Tips” did indeed come up.
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Meridith Ford Goldman
March 18th, 2009
1:28 pm
Big Mac: Dude, I’ve responded three times to these two threads. I’ve said my peace/piece.
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It's simply complex
March 18th, 2009
9:39 pm
I think Jason is on the right track. Like any situation involving the public at large, there is a basic social contact when dining out. You, the customer, behave in a civil manner, which basically means being *considerate* to all parties involved (other customers, staff, owners, etc.). In return, the staff will provide an experience that is as comfortable and enjoyable as they can. Finally, the customer pays the bill and tips according to the level of service (current societal norms are 10% for crappy, but not unacceptable, service to 20%+ for exceptional service. Like it or not, these ARE the socially acceptable guidelines. Any lower and you ARE a bad tipper, accept it.) Therefore, if the either party doesn’t honor their duties under the contract, then corrective action is justified. In this case, Meridith, you’re right, to an extent. The restaurant should attempt to resolve the matter in congenial manner, which it sounds like the owner did (but how one does something is just as important as what he or she does). After the owner has made such an attempt, then it is his or her right as a business owner to throw ‘em out! Basically, it’s about all parties being considerate of those around them. Let’s work together people!
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Joannah
March 21st, 2009
10:00 am
I recently came across your blog and have been reading along. I thought I would leave my first comment. I don’t know what to say except that I have enjoyed reading. Nice blog. I will keep visiting this blog very often.
Joannah
http://myscones.com
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phar71
March 23rd, 2009
4:09 pm
It is opening tomorrow huh? Lot of hype around this one, hope it comes through. About to fly to NY for a couple of days, and have some good pie, hopefully this will deliver.
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foodieman
March 23rd, 2009
10:02 pm
varasano is getting all this press, he is not going to be able to handle the crowd. especially since this is his first place.
its going to get ugly. all the blogs love him now, but how fast will they turn on him? he is getting more hype that FLIP. can you make a pizza as fast as you make a burger? his oven better be HUGE.
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Openings: Varasano’s Pizzeria, Atlanta : Easy Idiot - get better knowledge
March 24th, 2009
4:21 pm
[...] openings this week than you can shake a stick at. Next up: Varasano’s Pizzeria in Atlanta. Some sources reported it as opening today, but according to owner Jeff Varasano’s Facebook profile, his [...]
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phar71
March 25th, 2009
3:34 pm
So is anyone planning on going tonight? And if you do feedback would be great!
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Happy Girl
March 26th, 2009
12:09 am
Looking forward to a fantastic pizza Friday night!
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Jennifer Brett
March 26th, 2009
4:37 pm
Brad: me too!
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Stan
March 27th, 2009
4:57 pm
The salt shaker has more/larger holes. The pepper “shaker” has to be twisted to get the pepper out.
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Meridith Ford Goldman
March 27th, 2009
4:59 pm
Stan — thanks, but to be precise, that’s not a pepper shaker. It’s a pepper mill. Salt mills exist, too.
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foodieman
March 28th, 2009
7:20 pm
man..your blog topics are wack. im staying on CL. they are much more interesting.
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Happy Girl
March 29th, 2009
11:04 pm
Excellent pizza. Great cucumber martini’s. Definetly get the sugar donuts.
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Stan
March 30th, 2009
10:08 am
I’ve never had one, nor had I even herd of it until last week when I saw one made on Tyler’s Ultimate on Food Network.
I does sound good, with booze, I don’t care for lemon in my tea though. Tyler did his with a frozen lemonade.
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Stan
March 30th, 2009
10:10 am
Meridith,
Yes I’m well aware that it is NOT a shaker, hence the “”, it was intended to be humorous. Please lower the tip of your nose a few degrees.
Thanks
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Meridith Ford Goldman
March 30th, 2009
11:36 am
Sorry it was lost on me ….
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reservoirDAWG
March 30th, 2009
1:24 pm
No booze. One of my favorite refreshments.
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Toren Anderson
March 30th, 2009
11:51 pm
This book is a treasure and we are so grateful for Hans’ creativity and the amount of LIFE captured in the pages. We wish Hans and his family all good things. Buy this book! Thanks for covering the story for foodies, farmers and lovers of life.
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Chris Hornaday
March 30th, 2009
11:54 pm
It’s a great book with incredible images of life, food, family and all the South has to offer. I encourage you all to purchase this book from http://www.outofzbleu.com as Sarah the owner gives all proceeds to Hans and his family. Hans has just returned from M.D.Anderson and is still fighting to be well. Regardless, the book is a treasure and we are so glad to own a copy. Best to Hans in his recovery.
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It's A Sad Situation
March 31st, 2009
9:09 am
This is a sick topic.
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KARL MARTIN
March 31st, 2009
9:22 am
I WOULD LIKE A SAVORY, SPICY CURRY, WITH VEGETABLESSHRIMP OR CHICKEN
AND CHUTNEY
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KARL MARTIN
March 31st, 2009
9:23 am
CURRY, CURRY AND MORE CURRY
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Voice of Reason #1
March 31st, 2009
9:34 am
Asparagus and organic anything–not on the list. I’d have two Chambord martinis; crab cakes; unlimited crab legs (where someone has pulled the long, succulent meat out of the shells for me) with clarified butter dripping from the tips as I slide the crab meat down my throat; garlic mashed potatoes, sauteed spinach; creme brulee and MY sweet potato pie–a whole one. Eaten freely, without guilt. [And I'm now "Voice of Reason #1" since someone has periodically used my username!]
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none
March 31st, 2009
10:00 am
whatever Comrade Obama allows me to have
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Becky
March 31st, 2009
10:14 am
Voice of Reason #1, I agree your last meal except maybe the creamed spinach..Of course I would also be happy with fried pork chops, fried potaotes & biscuits..This is something that right now, I only eat maybe 1-2 times a year..Also the sweet potato pie, when my Mother made them for me as a teenager, she would put a merainge(sp) topping on them & sprinkle coconut on top..Talk about to die for…
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Mac
March 31st, 2009
10:21 am
Two slabs of ribs, one from Dreamland in Tuscaloosa and one from T.C. Barbecue in Jacksonville, Fla.
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Mac
March 31st, 2009
10:24 am
Oh, and a couple dozen fried oysters from Cedar River Seafood in Hilliard, Fla. And, you might as well throw in a double order of hot wings from Three Dollar Cafe. Obviously, it’s the meal that’s gonna kill me. And, I’d like the hot blonde for an appetizer. Two of them in fact.
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Meridith Ford Goldman
March 31st, 2009
10:26 am
ESR: Blonde? Brunettes are so much more fun …
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Mary Lou Respess
March 31st, 2009
10:32 am
When my husband received a doctor’s report of terminal cancer, he headed to the Varsity for a chili dog. As we are both native born Atlantans, I’d do the same!
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Kunkel
March 31st, 2009
10:46 am
Gino’s East Suprme with Pepperoni AND sausage (the patty, not the crumbles), and a pitcher of draft 312. Sorry Lou Malnati’s. If I got a second to last meal, I’d be on your doorstep too.
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Kay
March 31st, 2009
11:17 am
Being a southern girl, I’ll have to go with fried chicken, mac & cheese and collard greens. Oh and if I had time anything from Wyatt’s Diner.
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hotgirl
March 31st, 2009
11:21 am
Enchiladas. LOVE them.
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TRS421
March 31st, 2009
11:34 am
If you grew up in Atlanta then you should know it’s the Masters…no apostrophe.
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2muchmusic
March 31st, 2009
11:42 am
My aunt’s fried chicken and chicken and dumplings, home grown tomatoes, and a big warm brownie with NO NUTS and a scoop of vanilla ice cream.
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MChammer
March 31st, 2009
12:00 pm
Country style steak, mashed potatoes and gravy, fried okra, turnip greens.
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wartdog
March 31st, 2009
12:02 pm
It would have to be Danish lobster tails and a glass of Pescivino wine wisth a side of pasta marinara… if someone knows where I can get that let me know!
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jakesdad
March 31st, 2009
12:03 pm
at the risk of starting a flame war Gino’s has got to be one of the most over-rated restaurants in the US. good? yes. best pizza in the universe? only in their dreams. I’d take a Mellow Mushroom house special over them any day of the week. back in the late 80s I’d have gone w/Everybody’s but they seemed to go downhill in the 90s (haven’t been in 10+ yrs).
either way mine would involve a NY strip smothered in stilton cheese, a lobster tail & an extremely expensive bottle of cab
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Blake Warenik
March 31st, 2009
1:02 pm
Hans is one of the few true authors to put his name to a cookbook. Compared to “Eat Like There’s No Tomorrow” most cookbooks seem like a disjointed folder of recipes and shallow anecdotes. Hans writes and cooks like a virtuoso and produces the kind of cookbook equally at home in the kitchen and on the coffee table. His stories and photography are a vivid reminder of how guttural the desire for good food is and why it may be the most meaningful expression of life.
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Valerie
March 31st, 2009
1:08 pm
This is a serious subject and I highly advise you all to GET THE BOOK. What could have been Hans’ last meal wasn’t and I feel so lucky to know him. Follow his blog to get a better understanding. This is not a joking matter. Hanscooks.com
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Ellijay Stranger
March 31st, 2009
2:37 pm
I don’t know this family but have watched Hans cooking show over the years. I can tell you that this cookbook reads more like a novel than a cookbook. It is so rich and well presented that it proudly sits on my coffee table rather than on a kitchen shelf. The crisp, clear photography is rare for a cookbook or any other type of book.
I also look forward to buying his line of spices.
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Deborah
March 31st, 2009
3:06 pm
Hans’ cookbook is beautifully written and photographed. It’s become an instant favorite at our home and the recipes and family stories are heartwarming. Hans, may you find healing.
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Rhett
March 31st, 2009
4:03 pm
This is a BEAUTIFUL topic & I thank Hans for being heroic enough to share his experience & thank MFord for publishing it. Having assisted a few family members through terminal illness, I think people need to know what the affected person is going through & how to best assist him/her in his/her time of need. I think I’ll have all the shellfish I could stomach. I have such severe allergic reactions now that I’d prefer to be dead than deal with the whelts and itchiness.
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BobH
March 31st, 2009
6:19 pm
I wish I was half the cook Hans is…and I wish I was half the truly good person Hans is.
The book is a work of art…visually, as a piece of writing, and spiritually.
By the way, it’s got some damn good recipes as a bonus.
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BC
March 31st, 2009
11:16 pm
I read this book cover to cover the day I got it. I could not put it down. It is not just a cookbook. Buy it. Read it. Now.
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Karena
April 1st, 2009
8:53 am
This cookbook is not just a cookbook…Its a life story about a wonderful family with a history of being in a kitchen. Hans is heroic and is the most positive person I know. The pictures are amazing! This is well worth the $. Check out his blog and see what prayer and positive attitude will do to cancer! Hans’ has made so many people appreciate the little things in life and not to take anything for granted. Truly an amazing person!
Karena
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Lorrie
April 1st, 2009
11:18 am
This collection of recipes, beautiful photos and entertaining anecdotes is precious. Read between the lines– this is the legacy of an authentic soul and loving father to his children, not unlike The Last Lecture. Even if you hate cooking and have no intention of banging pots around, you should read this book, and then reread it, quote it and share it.
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Dave
April 1st, 2009
6:33 pm
Meredith Ford Goldman
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AJ
April 2nd, 2009
7:34 am
Great marketing idea for the slowest night of the week. I know where I’m heading next Monday!
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reservoirDAWG
April 2nd, 2009
12:55 pm
That is one of my favorites. Scrambled eggs, cheese grits, sausage links almost burnt and biscuits. Mmmmmmmmm!
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Dan Waldron
April 3rd, 2009
2:16 pm
I’ve been reading along for a while now. I just wanted to drop you a comment to say keep up the good work.
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Lauren
April 3rd, 2009
4:22 pm
Interesting….I guess I never really thought about it. I can totally see how it would be uncomfortable though. To my recollection I haven’t been touched by many servers. I am not a fan of when they use inappropriate nicknames for your age group like “champ” or “baby”. Thanks for the thought provoking post
Lauren
http://www.atlantafoodblog.com
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reservoirDAWG
April 6th, 2009
10:02 am
Only at the Pink Pony, Cheetah or the Oasis.
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Jennifer Brett
April 6th, 2009
1:59 pm
Never! Hands off the Butterfly!
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kwazzi
April 6th, 2009
11:26 pm
depends on the waiter and where they touch you
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Atlantaguy
April 7th, 2009
12:30 am
If you’re gonna touch me, you’d better buy me dinner first.
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Vandelay
April 7th, 2009
1:07 am
Never………..
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AlG
April 7th, 2009
8:23 am
I’ve had waiters put a hand on the back of my chair, but not on my back! I agree–I keep my hands off them, they do likewise.
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Charles
April 7th, 2009
8:48 am
Since you bring up the gaffe by Mrs. Obama it’s funny how the mainstream press has treated this incident. If Mrs. Bush has done the same thing the Congress/Talking Heads would have asked for an impeachment, an apology from President Bush and his immediate resignation.
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AtlKat
April 7th, 2009
1:29 pm
I can’t stand it when waiters pull up a chair and sit at your table with you – this has happened to me on numerous occasions. What makes them assume this level of familiarity? I’ll never know.
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robo
April 8th, 2009
11:32 am
Another breach…assuming that because they are waiting my table that I want to have some kind of long conversation with them. Hey, I would have invited the waiter to lunch if I’d wanted to chat.
Another one…restaurant managers interrupting my conversations to ask me if everything is okay. First off, I’ll let you know if there’s a problem. And don’t you love when someone says, “I don’t want to interrupt, but…” and then they proceed to interrupt?
I just hate that.
Dang. I’ve turned into Andy Rooney.
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Stan
April 8th, 2009
12:24 pm
Meh, I don’t reallly care. I mean as long as we aren’t talking about a hug or something, that’d be kinda weird. I see the First lady faux pas as a non issue, generally my feelings about a slightly too friendly waiter/waitress.
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Cathy
April 8th, 2009
12:51 pm
People, get a grip! Life is too short to worry about little things like a waiter touching you. Yes, a touch from ‘a mere servant’ can be seen as a breach of protocol in some circles. But we’re not talking bear hugs or sexual assault here. We’re simply discussing a quick touch that’s friendlier than a handshake. Some people feel warmly towards others – regardless of that that person’s station in life – and feel that such connection can best be displayed with a warm human touch.
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Rabid Dog
April 8th, 2009
12:53 pm
Not unless they want to draw back a nub.
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jon
April 8th, 2009
1:24 pm
Robo you shouild be happy people actually care enough to ask how everything is would you rather have them do that or keep talking and then oops im out of water and nobody cares!!!!!!
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Personal Space Please
April 8th, 2009
4:11 pm
I wholeheartedly agree with the quote from T.J. I served tables back in the day, I never touched my customers, AND I brought in great tips. You can be friendly and cordial and still respect someone’s personal space. I also dislike the use of inappropriate pet names.
I’m not your “baby”, so what makes you think I want you to refer to me as such? It definitely won’t help your tip – in fact – it will likely do the opposite.
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Darin
April 8th, 2009
4:54 pm
Some people are more comfortable with be touched by strangers than others. Personally, my skin crawls when a stranger intentionally puts a hand on my shoulder or arm. Weird? Maybe, but I know I’m not alone in having that reaction.
If the waiter was a friend or if I was a repeat customer with and was familiar with the waiter, I’d feel OK with touching. Otherwise, I think it’s best to err on the side of caution and avoid touching customers. And it’s not about feeling “above” a “servant” — I don’t think of waiters as servants, just as customer service reps for a business like any other — it’s about getting creepy touches from any stranger.
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GRITSiam
April 9th, 2009
2:11 pm
No touching. No nicknames. You do not know me, do not touch me or give me a nickname. Both are rude and decrease your tip.
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grtsvr
April 9th, 2009
4:28 pm
I work in a restaurant that has a large base of “regulars.” I have customers who hug me which I’m okay with because I know them. If I don’t know you, I won’t touch you, and don’t want you touching me. The worst is when a customer will try to take something out of my apron, like a straw or a pen, instead of asking me for it. The apron is absolutely a NO TOUCHING ZONE!
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Phil Lanier
April 12th, 2009
12:49 pm
Does anyone get the sense that this whole issue has taken on far greater significance than it deserves. The lady with her panties in a wad over being asked to leave apparently has nothing better to do than be (gasp!) offended. Yes, the situation could have been handled better, and usually is, but we’re only hearing her side. And after all, this was just a bunch of friends out for a little lollygagging one afternoon, not the dinner of a lifetime. Jeez Louise. Feel pity for this poor soul, because if she sweats little stuff like this, just think how she handles the BIG STUFF. The whole thing sounds like Billy Bob Thornton’s “victimization” on Canadian National Broadcasting. In other words, one big yawn. Fuhgedaboutit!
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Phil Lanier
April 12th, 2009
12:54 pm
God help me, I’ve got to get over there!
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Phil Lanier
April 12th, 2009
1:01 pm
Sure, it’s okay if it’s appropriate and we’ve established a common wavelength during our time at the restaurant. A little touch on the shoulder? No problem. We’re not so precious that we’re off limits to mere mortals. However, if it turns into a “Bellisima” act from Saturday Night Live, that’s another story. No one, and I mean no one, gets to latch onto my wife’s leg like a Chihuaha…but me.
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KennesawDave
April 12th, 2009
1:09 pm
Meridith,
I’m afraid to admit this at my age(35) but I’m just as guilty as your daughter and her friend. I haven’t been to Dahlonega in a while but I do remember when my family and I would go for a day trip my sister and I couldn’t wait to go into the fudge factory. If we behaved ourselves that was our reward. I was and still am a traditionalist so I always got the typical fudge with nuts. My sister if I recall would always get either Penut Butter or one of the other flavors. I need to get back up there sometime and take my sister with me before she gets married just for nostalga. The candy store in Helen, GA isn’t bad either. If I remember correctly it’s called the Hansel & Grettle candy shop. Hope you and your family have a wonderful Easter!
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KennesawDave
April 12th, 2009
1:27 pm
I would agree with Darin. I’ve been a frequent customer at a few places on my side of town and I don’t mind a 1/2 hug(1 arm around the weist) from a server that has waited on me in the past on numerous occasions. But if I’m at a new place that I’ve never been then I tend to concur with everyone else, don’t get overly frindly. I remember the first time I went to Outback Steakhouse. The waitress/waiter actaully sat down next to me and got kind of close and acted as if they were a close friend of the family while they asked us what we wanted to drink. My parents were a little taken aback by that as well. Although, I must admit just from a typical guy’s point of view, if the server is attractive to me I really won’t kick up a fuss if they are a little more friendly than “Hi my name is so-and-so I’ll be your server today can I get you started with something to drink?”
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KennesawDave
April 12th, 2009
1:38 pm
Meridith,
You’re taking me back to my childhood again. I can remember growing up my Mom would often do a breakfast for dinner night. Usually when my Dad was out of town on business. We would usually do French Toast but if my Mom wasn’t too whiped out we would every now and then get to have pancakes. To this day, sometimes I will fix breakfast for dinner. Usually some scrambled eggs with cheese(3 or 4)some grits if I’m not too worn out from the day and if I don’t have to work the next day I’ll make some coffee for good measure. Given we’re talking about dinner hour I should probably brew decaf but I don’t believe in it. It defeats the purpose of drinking coffee.
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Phil Lanier
April 12th, 2009
1:43 pm
God, we’re drowning in cookbooks, but this one really does sound like an unique tome — after all, what is food, if not about life and death, right?
As for my last supper, it wouldn’t be held sittin’ around a table with a bunch of swinging richards in sack cloth, that’s for sure. Instead, it would be served to me, my wife and daughter at a table in St. Lucia or St. John, overlooking an ocean sunset. It would be a meal of small plates, like little moments, like those that make up a life. We’d share memories, laughs and dreams. Bittersweet.
I’d start things off with a mix of Pacific Coast and Atlantic oysters on the half shell, foie gras swimming in a port/fruit compote, and a nice helping of unctuous pickled sea urchin eggs. We’d wash it down with crisp cava or champagne.
Next, we’d have bites of roast fish cheeks, soft shell crab — and for me, fugu (what’s to lose, right?). Heck, why not some glasses of vino verde or Albarino with this?
When the tingling from the fugu wears off, I’ll tuck into my favorite veggies, especially okra Madras style, southern mixed greens with pepper vinegar, roast brussel sprouts and beets, and cream corn. Maybe pair that with a Beaujolais.
Next, I gotta have linguine in red clam sauce with a bit o’ kick to it. And a glass of chianti.
Then, bring on Hungarian roast duck with caraway seeds, sauteed sweetbreads, slices of roast elk, Persian stuffed grape leaves and Greek-style thin lamb chops. Gimme a Zinfandel for this, because what is life i without a little Zin.
Final course is the killer: small portions of deep, rich chocolate mousse, tiramasu, cheese assortment with quince compote, and fresh fruit. And, one BIG bottle of superlative Sauterne to top it all off.
Now, kill me, please. Or pass the alkaseltzer.
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KennesawDave
April 12th, 2009
1:47 pm
Maybe I’m just not sophisticated enough or I can’t convince my palate to try something like? But to me it’s almost blasphomy to mix chocolate and beer into 1 concoction let alone pair them up. Granted, this is just my opinion but gracious that just sounds yuck! And the funny thing is I like beer and chocolate both. But you’ll never catch me ingesting both at the same time or pairing them up. But hey if it floats someone else’s boat, more power to them.
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em
April 13th, 2009
2:05 pm
Trips to the mountains are a favorite past time for my husbad & I. We also love to stop at a great little locally owned restaurant in Gainesville right at the foothills of the North Georgia Mountains. They have a GREAT unique menu with local & organic veggies. Also everything is made in house! Try their salad meal with your choice of 3 sides & a hunk of the chefs fresh bread. And when I say sides I dont mean cream corn & mashed potatoes no sir….wonderful creations that feed our soul on every weekend adventure.
check them out @ http://www.2DogRestaurant.com
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Sierra
April 13th, 2009
3:43 pm
Are you kidding? No, waiters shouldn’t touch you. And more importantly, you shouldn’t touch your waiter! I’ve been a server for over five years and am shocked at how often guests touch me. Often they do it when arguing over will pay the bill but I think any contact should be avoided. Every time a guest grabs my wrist as a walk by, swats my hand away from a plate, or even reaches to get a pen out of my apron (that I’m wearing!) I am shocked and offended.
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me
April 16th, 2009
4:36 pm
I don’t want my server to touch me. I don’t want my server to talk to me. I don’t want my server to look at me. It shocks and offends me if I have any human contact at all. What is wrong with you people? I personally love to go into a restaurant and have a colorful server. I love it when they are fun. If they touch my arm in a gesture of kindness…why would I be offended at that? If they touch my junk that is another matter. Who am I kidding? They can touch my junk as well. Get over it people. It is ok to be human.
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Pennington and Shirley
April 20th, 2009
11:09 pm
There’s no crime in Atlanta. That’s just a PERCEPTION.
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HoldTheSalt
April 21st, 2009
2:21 am
Where, indeed? Last time I went to Season’s 52, a few weeks ago, the low-sodium options had been eliminated from the menu. I’ve enjoyed the very low sodium “spa cuisine” from Chin Chin, though. I could eat it every night. Decline the sauce that is offered on the side. It is wonderful as is. http://www.chinchinonline.com/menu.php?location=2&cat=Spa+Cuisine
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john
April 21st, 2009
5:48 am
let me see -
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April 21st, 2009
5:58 am
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mustang100
April 21st, 2009
7:27 am
The waitress can touch me anywhere, anytime. She just better watch the wife though.
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Adittohead
April 21st, 2009
8:02 am
HONESTLY think the Atlanta-Obama-Journal loves to write on crime stories to sell papers. CRIME comes with “diversity” & urban life. You want DIVERSITY…..Crime comes with it..Liberalism
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Adittohead
April 21st, 2009
8:07 am
Don’t remember reading about increases in crime in urban areas during the GREAT DEPRESSION. Like I said, with DIVERSITY, the mixture of rich & poor in same area…the people left on the margins will pick up guns…..Atlanta is a breeding ground for crime.
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Isthatcode
April 21st, 2009
8:47 am
Is DIVERSITY code for a racial class? If so, I agree. Some feel entitled, and something should be theirs because they want it. Hey. Newsflash: The rest of us work to get what we want. My income has decreased by some $25k in the past year. I do not feel as though I need to buy a weapon and take from those that have more than me.
Hey Aditto. This economy was inherited. Wonder what it would look like if there had been no GWB?
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SAR
April 21st, 2009
8:58 am
I am convinced of two things in regards to crime in Atlanta. One is that only the general population seems to be concerned about crime and not the elected city and county offcials of the metro area. If you say something about the rise in crime you’re considered racist. Why is this? Is it because everyone knows who it is out there doing most of the crime and if you mention crime, they know who you’re talking about. The second being that attitudes toward crimes must be cultural. What else can explain the lenient jury decisions we have seen lately. When Brian Nichols was not given the death penalty we said that in Atlanta we do not put balck people to death. There’s been on ONE death penalty conviction in DeKalb county in twenty years and how many murders have we had in DeKalb in twenty years? We do put white men on death row. Research it and see the numbers. Black voters in Atlanta will never elect a white male that’s tough on crime to any position of power. As a result of this, much like in Clayton County…..we have gotten just what we paid for.
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Melissa's Mom
April 21st, 2009
9:00 am
Please don’t make excuses for the thieves and thugs! The low-lifes doing this didn’t just lose their job and decide to become a criminal to make ends meet. They are good for nothing, lazy bandits who think they are entitled to your hard earned stuff. (If I sound bitter, it’s because my home was burglarized a few weeks ago. The b..tards kicked in my back door and stole all of our toys.) I’ve been poor and it never occured to me to take someone’s else’s stuff.
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Mel
April 21st, 2009
9:41 am
What’s sad is that I would LOVE to live in the city but refuse to, strictly because of the thugs/crime. It’s pretty sad. They have even caused problems at Atlantic Station already. And people wonder why the “white flight” thing took place decades ago? Because they knew what was coming! Pretty funny how you never see racist Jackson or racist Sharpton have “protests” against all of the crime the thugs cause.
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Melissa's Mom
April 21st, 2009
10:07 am
It’s not only non-whites commiting crimes in Atlantic Station. I met my daughters there for lunch one Wednesday, and before they arrived, I was verbally abused by 2 white punks. They looked old enough to know better, but they were smoking cigarettes and wearing baggy pants and slouching around. I never even glanced their way before they walked up in front of me and started their BS. Little a-holes! Am I just having bad luck or does this happen to everyone?
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Hawking
April 21st, 2009
10:10 am
What about all the MIKE VICK SUPPORTERS who continue to N-E-V-E-R tip their servers, no matter how impeccable the service may be?
Should we consider that a “restaurant crime,” too?
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DJ
April 21st, 2009
10:16 am
You people are hilarious… By Mike Vick supporters I’m assuming you are saying blacks. Of course, you’ll just deny that like you people (read between the lines) like you always do.
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SAR
April 21st, 2009
10:17 am
I have heard people blame it on the economy. That’s a joke. Look at some of the people on the videos they’re looking for and you tell me if those criminals ever had a real job and that they’re victims of a bad economy. The only part of a bad economy that affects them is that the pool of victims may be smaller. How many of them came here with one parent from New Orleans post Katrina? Do a study on that one Mayor Franklin, with her open arms and open wallet policy towards so called Katrina victims.
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Angelique
April 21st, 2009
10:50 am
As a waitress who works very hard to put myself through school, I absolutely hate to wait on some (not all) of those so-called Mike Vick “Fans.” So often, (not always) those particular people will complain to my manager about something that didn’t happen with either the food (a non-existent hair in the pasta) or the service (server got their order wrong) in order to get part of or their entire meal for free. If some of them don’t get what they want in terms of a partial or complete “comped” meal right when they want it, they threaten to sue us and get all of us fired for mistreating them. On top of that, they don’t even leave a minimal tip, either. Why do people have to be like that just to get free stuff and hurt other people?
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Donut King
April 27th, 2009
11:38 pm
Smaller donuts??? Are you serious? I can’t put down a dozen of hot Krispy Kreme glazed donuts in 20 minutes after a hard night of partying at the clubs. Keep those donuts big and hot baby!!!
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Drew
April 29th, 2009
6:55 pm
Let’s see… Teens arrested for $100,000 damage to Canton church… Girl, 13, stabbed getting off school bus … Argument led to deadly gunfight, police say … Mother killed in Snellville store parking lot … So much crime in Atla– er, wait… all those crime headlines (copied verbatim from the AJC today) happened in the SUBURBS!
Go ahead suburbanites, keep cowering in your make-believe “crime-free” paradise… while you sit in traffic waiting to turn onto your dead end street miles from nowhere, we’ll be walking down sidewalks, through parks and to interesting destinations here in the city… with probably the same amount of crime around us as you have in the suburbs.
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West End Sprinkler
April 29th, 2009
8:23 pm
When that “hot doughnuts” sign starts to flash at the West End store, it’s like a big magnet that sucks the cars into their parking lot & drive thru in 30 seconds flat. Who da heck wants smaller doughnuts?? KK doughnuts have been the diamond ring on my finger, since I could talk. If the frequency in the “hot doughnuts” sign would increase, there wouldn’t be a need to downsize the company. Go back to the old supply & demand rule of Econ 101 and keep those big dougnuts coming!!
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Who cares?
May 4th, 2009
1:38 pm
Who cares? No one can afford to eat out anymore anyway.
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Jerry
May 4th, 2009
1:43 pm
Get a life !!!
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Spalding Drive homeowner
May 4th, 2009
1:47 pm
this is stupid…..is ‘mford’ paid for this?
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bigedatl
May 4th, 2009
1:58 pm
Dante’s Down the Hatch. Been several years since I have been there, but our tiny table barely held the food, wine glasses, and the pot of boiling hot oil. Oh, it was a little rickety also. We actually discussed if one of us would be doused in oil before the evening ended.
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A. Teesman
May 4th, 2009
2:03 pm
They have some good size tables at Cashin’s and Baby Doe’s Matchless Mine.
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bbb
May 4th, 2009
2:14 pm
we don’t get to eat out enough to be picky about table size. We are just grateful to be able to afford to eat. Feeling guilty?
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dan
May 4th, 2009
2:17 pm
Why would someone feel guilty about eating out, bbb?
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Lisa
May 4th, 2009
2:27 pm
There are a lot of people eating out prehaps not where you live “who cares”. In my area i go to, different resturants, there’s
still a wait time of 15 to 30 mins depending on where you go. I don’t care how small the table is as long as i can enjoy my meal.
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jimbob
May 4th, 2009
2:27 pm
I remember the old Arby’s near northlake, before it remodeled in the late 1980s, only had a handful of seats with a few really small tables. I’d imagine that all of the old-style Arby’s, with the inverted curved roof, were configured similarly.
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Tia
May 4th, 2009
2:34 pm
No restaurant tables aren’t too small.. diners are too fat. There are more obese people today than ever. I feel so sorry for fat people when I see them at a restaurant, people stare and make fun of them. It must be hard to be overweight in society.
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lovelyliz
May 4th, 2009
2:42 pm
It’s a marketing gimmick. The smaller the table the larger the meal appears to be and the more people per square foot that can be seated and served. It also keeps customer from getting too comfartable so as to get them out the door quicker. Turnover people! Turnover!
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rpm
May 4th, 2009
2:44 pm
??? “I’d but FAB on that list” apparently the screen was too small to proof read
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prootwadl
May 4th, 2009
2:46 pm
Tia, if the dishes don’t fit on the table, the issue isn’t the diners. It’s the table.
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Cindy Lu
May 4th, 2009
2:55 pm
If the restaurants would not clutter the table with so much stuff; i.e. dessert menus; drink menus; sales flyers, etc. then there might be enough room. I find that I have to place these items on the ledge or floor just so we have ample space to enjoy our meals.
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BrokeAsAJoke
May 4th, 2009
2:56 pm
I eat like once a month now. I agree with bbb, I am glad I can afford to eat. When my mom says why dont you come over for dinner tonight, I am like I will be there. I don’t care if it is something I dislike, I will be there eating it and enjoying it. I don’t have the money to go out and eat. Thankfully, I don’t have any children.
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Jefferson
May 4th, 2009
2:58 pm
Too close together. I don’t want to hear other chit or chat.
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deegee
May 4th, 2009
3:01 pm
LOL! I went to Dairy Queen last night and watched an obese slob prop his belly up on the table after squeezing his corpus maximus between the seat and the table. It was disgusting. He ordered a hamburger, french fries, large coke and a chili dog on the side. Thank goodness for large tables at Dairy Queen or else he might not have had room for his oversized gut and all the food he ordered.
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Mugglemikki
May 4th, 2009
3:01 pm
No, our azzes are just to big!
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abc
May 4th, 2009
3:02 pm
If I can’t get a table I like, I leave. Maybe it’s too small, maybe it’s poor placement. It happens. It’s not that big a deal; chances are I won’t return, but it’s not as if the restaurants need to be concerned about that — people tend to have very low expectations of them.
We eat out a lot. Including lunch, I probably eat out 10 times per week. The food’s better at home, but we like being able to relax and not have to clean up. There aren’t that many restaurants worth returning to, but among the ones we like are the pizza joint, this 1 Chinese place (man, the chinese joints get the worst health scores!), soup & salad, a breakfast place is hard to find. Nothing fancy, except on special occasions.
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Ted Striker
May 4th, 2009
3:03 pm
Meridith Ford Goldman — just balance the plates on your thighs. That ought to be good for a buffet or two.
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Bigger is Better
May 4th, 2009
3:03 pm
not only are tables getting smaller , but both are too. Check out any Waffle House
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abc
May 4th, 2009
3:05 pm
Ha! We eat out a lot, but it’s a rule to never enter a burger joint, nor the Awful House, or any of the disgusting food specialties. Yuck. I’d rather cook and clean up.
When my kids were small I get them Happy Meals and throw away the ‘food’. All they wanted was the toy, anyway.
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deegee
May 4th, 2009
3:08 pm
Seriously though, how many people order 4 appetizers and entrees? The tables are smaller so that they can push them together for large parties or leave them solo for parties of one or 2. It’s about turnover. Your server should be able to stage your order so that it doesn’t pile up on the table. Of course, this is the U.S. where dining out is a more like a sprint than a marathon.
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YES
May 4th, 2009
3:19 pm
Of course they are. They are done that way so the owners can cram more people
into one space. If you get a meal/plate of any size you will find that it is hard
to manage cutting your meat. But who really cares besides me?
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mattie
May 4th, 2009
3:23 pm
I will put up with smaller tables if I have to, but I won’t return to a restaurant where the tables are very close together. When I’m out to dinner with my spouse or friends, I am not interested in sharing anyone’s conversation.
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John
May 4th, 2009
3:26 pm
Heck, if you think the tables are small in Atlanta, come across the pond for a visit. The wife and I are living abroad for a year while I study at a University in England. The tables when we eat out are tiny! Worse, though, is the English tendency to sit you right next to an occupied table — even when you’re the only two occupied tables in the place!
I, for one, welcome the large Atlanta tables when I return.
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Noelle
May 4th, 2009
3:28 pm
Yes, most restaurant tables are too small and too close together, and it has nothing to do with the size of the diners. It’s about not having enough room on the tabletop for your plates and drinks, especially considering the huge portion sizes and oversized plates used at many restaurants.
Tables are tiny because restaurants are trying to cram in as many tables as possible. More tables means more diners, which means more money. Plus, with the spaces so cramped, no one wants to hang around, and fast turnaround means the restaurant can serve more diners and make even MORE money.
We get around all that by trying to get a booth whenever possible. The tabletops are usually bigger, and there’s no one crammed up right next to you. Plus, the seats are usually cushioned, so they’re more comfortable to start with.
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Joel
May 4th, 2009
3:32 pm
No, we are just too big…
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mDm
May 4th, 2009
3:32 pm
The size of the tables shouldn’t matter as long as you have ample seating. Unfortunately, restaurants are trying to pack as many people in their establishments without waiting so patrons won’t go elsewhere. In today’s economic times, those who can afford to dine out will experience less wait time and/or flexible reservations. Additionally, walk-ins with available seating at peak times will be the norm.
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Marlene
May 4th, 2009
3:34 pm
Who cares. Get a life. Just give me a restaurants with no kids!
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Joe
May 4th, 2009
3:36 pm
I agree with the comment on Dante’s. We were sat at a converted Civil War sewing maching table. The table was not even 2 foot in diameter. And of course no way to put your legs under the table. The best part is I got to sit in the main entering area beside the hostess. Thank God! Dante was there to move us to another table.
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Sam
May 4th, 2009
3:41 pm
With all that is going on in the world right now, this is all the AJC has to talk about? No wonder the newspapers are in trouble!
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atlanta native
May 4th, 2009
3:42 pm
A Teesman – Where is there a Cashin’s? I worked there in the late 70’s early 80’s. Has it been that long since you ate out, or am I missing something?
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reservoirDAWG
May 4th, 2009
3:44 pm
It depends on the restaurant.
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Joe
May 4th, 2009
3:48 pm
abc,
You are smart with money. Good for you.
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booger
May 4th, 2009
3:49 pm
I lived in France for a couple of years. Their largest tables are smaller than our smallest tables yet they turn out better meals and service than almost anyone here. One hint as to why. Their plates are not the size of hubcaps.
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A. Teesman
May 4th, 2009
3:56 pm
You’re missing something. Say my name.
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A. Teesman
May 4th, 2009
3:56 pm
Get it?
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RBSAtlanta
May 4th, 2009
3:58 pm
My word there’s just a bit of vitriol in this blog (”who cares” this and “get a life” that)! I know it may shock most of you who rampantly complain, but some of us are fortunate enough to not be burdened with multiple kids, mortgages, cars and/or ex-spouses and can still afford a meal out.
Now – with that said – although I LOOOVE 4th and Swift, some of the tables are a bit small in surface area. I don’t really mind them being close together because I’m generally the one with the loudest mouth and have NO problem being heard over multiple conversations.
And I TOTALLY agree with the poster that complained about too much accoutrement on the tables. That’s generally only in chain restos BUT, even when in a chain I don’t want to have to balance my meal over a placard or two.
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Moerice
May 4th, 2009
4:00 pm
Why do so many people get upset at an article like this? a) it is the dining out section, so it is appropriate. It is not the front page, for crying out loud. b) If it is such a waste of time or space, why comment on it? Doesn’t that mean you actually read the piece, which is the whole point? and c) If you never eat outm for whatever reason, why even ready the article? Who is the real loser?
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Mike
May 4th, 2009
4:05 pm
The tables were horribly close together at Pano’s and Paul’s. After one dinner there, the lady at the next table said to us, “it was so nice joining you for dinner.”
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Grumpy Young Man
May 4th, 2009
4:07 pm
I like restaurants with small tables – there’s no room for kids! It forces people to leave their kids at home and not subject us to their screeching and screaming, spitting, and diaper smells.
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A. Teesman
May 4th, 2009
4:08 pm
Fast food places, D’Lites and Mighty Casey have decent size tables. ‘Round the Corner has some big ones, too.
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Kat
May 4th, 2009
4:10 pm
Where is there a Cashin’s Restaurant in Atlanta anymore? I loved Cashin’s at Cumberland.
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Noelle
May 4th, 2009
4:12 pm
Grumpy, if only that were true. I’ve been crammed up next to tiny tables with screamy/squirmy small children more than once (and that doesn’t even count the people who are allowed to block the walkway by putting a highchair at the end of a booth). I don’t blame the kids, though; it’s the parents who cause the problems by not parenting.
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Grumpy Young Man
May 4th, 2009
4:14 pm
Amen.
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A. Teesman
May 4th, 2009
4:16 pm
People, I’m sorry my humor is too subtle for you. My character A. Teesman = 80s man, a fellow seemingly trapped in 1980s Atlanta injecting himself into a conversation about modern day Atlanta. Get it?
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reservoirDAWG
May 4th, 2009
4:19 pm
D’Lites. That place was ahead of it’s time.
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Steve
May 4th, 2009
4:20 pm
Tables aren’t getting smaller, but southern Americans continue to get fatter. It’s sad, really.
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A. Teesman
May 4th, 2009
4:22 pm
Indeed. The D’Lites I went to was in that shopping center just across from U.S. Bar y Grill along Roswell Road in Sandy Springs.
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reservoirDAWG
May 4th, 2009
4:24 pm
We would go to one on Jimmy Carter. It’s funny you mentioned those two spots as they were the only places to eat in Gwinnett County when my family moved there.
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A. Teesman
May 4th, 2009
4:26 pm
It’s all different now. My aunt used to live on Hamilton Mill Road and that was out in the boonies. Seems like the ‘burbs go on forever now.
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Get It Right
May 4th, 2009
5:01 pm
The Cheescake Factory has very small tables. The only good thing about that is that we were limited in the amount of lousy food we could order.
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Tea
May 4th, 2009
5:02 pm
I can live with the small size but when the person next to my two-top is closer than the person across the table I came to be with – well, I draw the line there. Unfortunately, my wife and I are missing out on a lot of good Midtown restaurants because they have this ridiculously cramped line of two-tops against one or two interior walls.
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Rose
May 4th, 2009
5:09 pm
Obviously, the “mford” was not talking about a fast food restaurant or a restaurant that seats children at high chairs. Notice the reference to the Ritz Carlton which set the tone for the responses. This is a commentary on fine dining.
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Rose
May 4th, 2009
5:14 pm
I forgot to answer the question! I think the tables at Two Urban Licks are pretty small and crammed together.
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booger
May 5th, 2009
10:11 am
Atlanta and Athens just don’t have the talent that you find in Charleston. There are more first rate restaurants in a few square blocks in Charleston than in all of N. Georgia.
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mDm
May 5th, 2009
10:13 am
New York and Chicago have the best restaurants. Sorry.
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Drew
May 5th, 2009
10:26 am
Sounds like some people are a little homesick… and those people are from Charleston and New York & Chicago.
There are great restaurants everywhere, not just NY and not just Charleston. Oh and if you’re talking about “first rate” restaurants it’s funny booger, because… what? What was that I heard? Oh right…
The Dining Room at the Ritz-Carlton in Buckhead (read: Atlanta) is one of “only three restaurants in the United States have received the Mobil Five-Star award for more than 10 years.
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Linda
May 5th, 2009
10:35 am
Ever been to SF? Talk about restaurants….
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ChefChuck
May 5th, 2009
10:37 am
Don’t forget San Francisco.
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bl
May 5th, 2009
11:48 am
Are Jeanne Besser’s and John Kessler’s blogs gone for good? I’m disappointed that they haven’t been active in some time.
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Meridith Ford Goldman
May 5th, 2009
1:53 pm
Booger: Sorry dude, but Atlanta has a handful world-class restaurants.
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stinger
May 5th, 2009
2:17 pm
Rose, you forgot to answer the question because you had to take the time to correct people. Just answer the question and shut up.
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mDm
May 5th, 2009
3:02 pm
You’re right about San Francisco. My bad!
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weird
May 5th, 2009
3:54 pm
I am totally a fabbo food critic. I’m cool because even though I’m almost 50, I call people dude. I get stupid drunk and hang all over all the chefs in town. They let me too because the want a good review. People love me and yet fear me at the same time. Bow down to me.
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Chef Drew
May 5th, 2009
9:34 pm
We did have one Atlanta winner. She is Atlanta native and resident, Shirley O. Corriher. She won for her book, Bakewise.
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banquet manager
May 5th, 2009
10:22 pm
I agree with the first guy that left a comment – who cares? Just visit my blog…
So You Want To Be a Banquet Manager? You think being a banquet manager is glamorous? You try dealing with cranky chefs and bitchy waiters all day – and that’s without the nasty customers. Visit my blog and see what it’s REALLY like in this crazy profession.
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banquet manager
May 5th, 2009
10:23 pm
If they make the donuts smaller, people will just eat twice as many. Come on…what are they thinking?
So You Want To Be a Banquet Manager? You think being a banquet manager is glamorous? You try dealing with cranky chefs and bitchy waiters all day – and that’s without the nasty customers. Visit my blog and see what it’s REALLY like in this crazy profession.
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reservoirDAWG
May 6th, 2009
11:23 am
Why don’t you quit and find a new profession?
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Meridith Ford Goldman
May 6th, 2009
1:08 pm
Hey Ted Striker: the only reason I didn’t spam the heck out your tacky comment is because it actually made me laugh out loud.
Thanks for the thoughts, all. Sure, not everyone orders as much food as I do, but I still think we need a little more room on most tables.
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Meridith Ford Goldman
May 6th, 2009
1:29 pm
Thanks Drew! Love me some Shirley!!
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Meridith Ford Goldman
May 6th, 2009
1:43 pm
Thanks Drew — again! And weird: save it.
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Jason Greene
May 7th, 2009
11:33 am
Booger, you are right about Charleston. Poor Savannah should be in the same league as Charleston, but is a total disgrace.
Atlanta has many great restaurants, but should have more for a city this size.
I can’t get past the great Deli’s in NYC. I remember Katz’s and Leb’s here in Atlanta. We need a great NY Deli here in the ATL!
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georgia peach
May 7th, 2009
4:14 pm
I wouldn’t say I judge or if I do, I don’t mean to. I’ve looked and thought, he must be a vegan or they must be having a special dinner and then I must admit, I’ve peeked at a few carts and thought “oh those foods are so unhealthy for those kids”
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catlady
May 7th, 2009
5:22 pm
I admit I do it, too. Then I look proudly at my “sensible” basket.
What can really give you the chills is seeing what kids bring in their lunchboxes. For many, it is all JUNK or highly processed, sugar-laden, high fat, salt, or additives. One little girl I pass by every day has YET to have any significant source of protein (like a sandwich or some cheese). Then her mom wonders why she is spaced out in Math class an hour later!
Lots of folks I know get angry when they see someone’s basket who then pays with food stamps (old days) or welfare EBT. Or the large families who have WIC vouchers.
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Yep, I do
May 7th, 2009
5:30 pm
Yes. Especially if there are lots of junk and processed foods with absence of fresh fruit and vegetables. Add chubby kids to the mix and I can’t help but wonder if the parent just doesn’t know any better, and that maybe they should. I try not to do be nosy, and I don’t think anyone would accuse me of being a snob. I would NEVER say anything to or about anyone, stranger or acquaintance.
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Lisa
May 7th, 2009
6:29 pm
Yes, I am totally judgmental. But not only that, you can tell a lot about a person’s life by their groceries. Lady with Lean Cuisine’s, Diet Coke and cat food probably lives alone…..
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Diet Soda Causes Weight Gain
May 7th, 2009
6:58 pm
The more diet soda, the heavier the buyer, in my experience. Weight gain is #3 on the list of Nutrisweet side effects. Water is the only answer.
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georgia peach
May 7th, 2009
7:38 pm
Catlady, I never thought about it until you mentioned that some people get angry when they see people paying with EBT cards or WIC vouchers. I tend to get an attitude, not because the persons have WIC or that they have EBT cards. When I see 4-6 litttle extremely chubby stairsteps with thier parents and 2 grocery carts and not a vegetable or fruit to be found I get an attitude. I see processed meats, surgary cereal, soda’s, kool aide, cookies, chips, ribs and wings….I don’t even spot an onion or rib of celery. This is sooooo sad. Yes, I then chalk up the size of the children and the parents because of the contents of thier grocery carts………so I guess, in my own way I judge more than I realize…..would I ever comment to anyone about the contents of thier cart……OH NO!!!!!!!!
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Michelle
May 9th, 2009
9:48 am
Seriously People??? Nothing better in this world to complain about??
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reservoirDAWG
May 12th, 2009
2:18 pm
It was the fried apple pie from McDonalds. Now it’s Popeye’s fried chicken.
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RBSAtlanta
May 12th, 2009
2:41 pm
@reservoirDAWG – once McD’s stopped frying them, there was no point to them.
My favorite? Tater tots – there are VERY FEW fast food places where I can get tater tots but I oh so crave them every now and again.
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reservoirDAWG
May 12th, 2009
3:11 pm
RBS, you can still get the fried ones at Krystal. I wish I could help you with the tots.
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Caleb Choe
May 12th, 2009
3:44 pm
Sonic has tater tots.
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Katharine
May 12th, 2009
5:35 pm
I never pay any attention to what other people have in their carts. Even if I did, it’s none of my business.
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Uncle Tom
May 13th, 2009
1:06 am
McDonald’s apple pie is good for a quick fix if you can’t find a Church’s chicken nearby. Otherwise, the fried apple pie at Church’s is very tasty…especially w/ the icing!
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Karen
May 13th, 2009
1:55 am
Church’s jalapeno poppers. Spicier peppers then the ones from Arbys.
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carie
May 13th, 2009
2:09 am
Martins’… theyhave the best of everything – beats out mcd’s, bk, tb, kfc, winners, etc.. all except popeyes… i love thier chicken
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Jason Greene
May 13th, 2009
12:45 pm
Without a doubt it’s Spicy Fried Chicken @ Popeyes. And the fried greasy pies at the Varsity. Did I mention my Mom’s Fried Okra, Fried Green Tomato’s, and especiallyi for me, a fried Bannana and Peanut Butter Sandwich!
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RBSAtlanta
May 14th, 2009
10:39 am
A moonwalk with beer and bbq in the belly is probably NOT a good idea … :0)
I love my bbq but an entire day of it is just too much for me now. The last “fest” I attended was the Big Pig Jig down in Vienna, GA (loved every minute of it) but after a day of bbq and fried Oreo cookies, I was done. Gluttony isn’t pretty on a 38 year old.
I do hope they raise some money for the Boys and Girls Clubs, though – that’s a great thing.
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Brill
May 14th, 2009
2:45 pm
My wife is from New England. If you get invited to a “barbecue” up there, expect only hamburgers and hot dogs. Trust me on this one.
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Derek
May 14th, 2009
3:39 pm
Hey Brill… I’m a transplant from CT and have been smoking ribs, etc for about 25 years buddy. Just because your wife was apparently running with the wrong crowd isn’t an indicator of what “barbecue” is in New England. Enough of your slanderous speak.. I trust you not.
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neal kelley
May 14th, 2009
3:50 pm
all this talk of food is making me hungry!!!!!
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Jim Barco
May 14th, 2009
3:58 pm
Please add a week to your travels good folk and come to Gainesville, GA, May 30th for the Brenau Barbecue and Banjos event. Sanctioned by the Memphis Barbecue Network and the Southeast Bluegrass Association, this event brings together the great food and sounds of summer. Located on the campus of Brenau University, the event runs 10 am to 6 pm. Admission is $5 per person and there will be activities for kids and vendors supplying goods for summer. Twenty pro cook teams returning from Memphis in May are expected as are twenty “Backyard Braggart” teams. No outside food or drink is permitted. Money raised benefits the local student scholarship fund.
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Texas Pete
May 14th, 2009
4:43 pm
I think your BBQ here is secretly rat meat. The only good BBQ comes from Texas.
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Kay B
May 14th, 2009
5:09 pm
Sam & Dave’s whole BBQ1 & BBQ2 thing confused the heck out of me when I was trying to figure out where they were through the web. Good BBQ though!!
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Mort Merkel
May 14th, 2009
5:14 pm
Steve Bornhoft, a great writer on Florida’s Gulf Coast once, wrote about some carnival rides near the county pier at Panama City Beach as, “offering enough centrifugal thrill to separate a spring breaker from his beer load.” The moonwalk may do that at the above event.
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Mort Merkel
May 14th, 2009
5:15 pm
poorly placed commas above, but you get the drift, I hope.
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Mac
May 14th, 2009
5:17 pm
Texas has got some good ‘cue, no doubt. But it ain’t the only good ‘un. Best brisket, probably, but definitely not the only great barbecue.
And, many people don’t know this, but Jacksonville, Fla. is quite the hotbed for good ‘cue.
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Meridith Ford Goldman
May 15th, 2009
11:01 am
Texas Pete: Them’s fightin’ words!
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Freedog
May 15th, 2009
6:28 pm
Six Feet Under on 11th
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mG2
May 15th, 2009
6:35 pm
Montaluce Winery in Dahlonega……to sit outside overlooking the vineyards and enjoy fine wine with an equally fine meal.
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Manny
May 15th, 2009
7:14 pm
“THE CHOCOLATE BAR” in downtown Decatur on West Ponce de Leon still ranks as one of the best places in Metro Atlanta for cocktails! Several well-known celebrities choose to frequent this establishment because of its quaint appearance and location which is comfortably nestled in the middle of downtown Decatur next door to Ted’s Montana Grill. While their drinks are a bit high, they are one-of-a-kind specialty drinks and mix well with the handmade chocolates served on site. Two thumbs up!!!
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IC Atlanta
May 15th, 2009
7:15 pm
Peachtree Plaza Sundial – great view and you can pretend to be a tourist for the evening
Six Feet Under Westside
Park Tavern
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Ann
May 15th, 2009
7:16 pm
Elevation Chop House & Skybar at McCollum Field in Marietta. Seeing planes flying in and out is so cool and the food is awesome! Great bar and the Nitrogen Margarita’s rock!
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Chris
May 15th, 2009
7:45 pm
Atlanta and Athens definitely do not have the talent found elsewhere, great food in Atlanta is only ok by other big cities standards.
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Chuck
May 15th, 2009
8:38 pm
The Troll Tavern in Helen. There are plenty of places to chill, have a drink, and sit by the river in Helen. The Troll Tavern seems to be a little more fun loving than most others.
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david
May 15th, 2009
9:19 pm
Sushi Bar at Pink Pony South. Incredible panaromic view.
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Jack Preston
May 16th, 2009
5:04 pm
Garrison’s Bar in Duluth, atop the restaurant. Great place for martini’s and watching rush hour go by.
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Southerner
May 16th, 2009
6:32 pm
The grounds and gardens of my plantation.
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Sarah
May 16th, 2009
7:46 pm
Romance novel sales are up as well.I most likely would indulge in chocolate and not beer while reading a romance. Even better read a romance about chocolate and save the calories.
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ANNA
May 17th, 2009
5:02 pm
AS MY MOTHER ALWAYS SAID….MYOB!!
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Nan
May 18th, 2009
5:22 pm
Actually, it’s not that there is “nothing better in this world to complain about??” It’s that the subject of this blog is specifically, do you do this too? There are probably other blogs and forums where we could complain about more important things. Also, there is nothing wrong with people-watching. Sometimes there is even something to be learned.
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Charles H
May 18th, 2009
6:59 pm
Great. just what Atlanta needs. Another restaurant focusing on style over substance.
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Sarah B.
May 19th, 2009
8:34 am
I’ll give this place a shot….but I don’t expect it to match up to the already excellent Steel sushi restaurant further south on 8th and Peach. I’m a regular. The deco is classy, and the menu is delish.
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VoiceOf Reason
May 19th, 2009
11:49 am
Love, love, LOVE that bar in the CNN center. The one right outside the restaurant on the second floor. It over looks the park. Great drinks and appetizers too. Just love it.
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VoiceOf Reason
May 19th, 2009
11:50 am
LOL @ David. Sushi at a strip club? Hmmm…. I’ll pass.
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Jon
May 19th, 2009
12:06 pm
window view at Canoe in Vinings. Not a skyline but feels like a woodland setting and your still in city limits.
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DIPPER
May 19th, 2009
12:09 pm
Rooftop of Six Feet Under on 11th street…
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ATL4real
May 19th, 2009
12:24 pm
I can’t afford to drink at anyplace that has more than two floors, so I will have to go with Park Tavern (seated outside, of course)
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Cabbagehead
May 19th, 2009
12:25 pm
The deck atop Six Feet Under, Memorial Dr. location. Fantastic view of Oakland Cemetery, Fulton Cotton Mill and the downtown skyline.
Great – now I’m craving fried oysters and a Yuengling…
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Marsha Bond
May 19th, 2009
12:30 pm
Congratulations LUDA!
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braveschop
May 19th, 2009
12:30 pm
The Braves Chop House overlooking center field.
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LP21
May 19th, 2009
12:38 pm
the link to the website you posted is incorrect
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NNC
May 19th, 2009
12:40 pm
Sometimes I do like but it’s for ideas.
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Mike Vick
May 19th, 2009
12:43 pm
I don’t drink.
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ATL4real
May 19th, 2009
12:43 pm
Jon, I’m surpised your not claiming that the best place is at your house. You are the same Jon with the Big Green Egg, right?
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Jennifer
May 19th, 2009
12:43 pm
The bar atop the Glenn Hotel is fantastic – comfy white couches and a lovely view of Centennial Park and beyond. Both Six Feet Unders have a great view too, as well as the outside area of JCT Kitchen’s bar.
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LP21
May 19th, 2009
12:45 pm
http://www.straitsrestaurants.com/index.php?section=29
the website is incorrect on their menu too
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V13
May 19th, 2009
12:47 pm
Fado Irish Pub in Buckhead has a really nice rooftop complete with a fireplace!
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NNC
May 19th, 2009
12:51 pm
*look
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TopOfTheWorld
May 19th, 2009
1:14 pm
There is a vacant lot in South Atlanta on Climax St. with the city’s BEST view. It is BYOB, but well worth the price!!!
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Grace DeVita
May 19th, 2009
1:15 pm
Right now, anyplace with a view would be great for me! I miss ATL!
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Hooty Hoo
May 19th, 2009
1:25 pm
Definitely the JCT bar area. Can’t beat the garlic parm. fries either!!
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Wishiwasrich
May 19th, 2009
1:27 pm
CROSS CREEK CAFE /just off of Moores Mill Rd. When the weather is pleasant you can’t beat the view from the elevated deck of the large, duck filled pond, surrounded by the vibrant green golf course.
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blah blah
May 19th, 2009
1:28 pm
whatever
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kt
May 19th, 2009
1:41 pm
I like the view at Shout on the upstairs patio, its lovely.
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Baxter
May 19th, 2009
1:49 pm
been there twice and both times it was half empty. food was ok but the second time I went it was bad and we complained.
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Christopher
May 19th, 2009
1:51 pm
I know everyone feels like they’ve been there and done that already, but the Sun Dial is still my favorite place for drink and a view.
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CYA
May 19th, 2009
2:04 pm
My review mirror heading up 85 after work.
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CYA
May 19th, 2009
2:05 pm
My rear view mirror heading up 85 after work.
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levelhead
May 19th, 2009
2:18 pm
Can anyone tell me what has Shirley done to receive an award?
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asfd
May 19th, 2009
2:51 pm
755. Nuff said.
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Asfd
May 19th, 2009
2:59 pm
ASDF- Where is “Nuff” what does that mean? I have not heard of it.
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luvya
May 19th, 2009
3:04 pm
Olives Waterside off Powers Ferry
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Ben
May 19th, 2009
3:08 pm
I’ll 2nd the Sundial. It’s simply unbeatable. Yeah it’s WAY overpriced but to be able to sit in one place, have a couple drinks and have a rotating view of the entire city all the way to the horizon is still amazing. It’s a shame more of the skyscrapers here don’t have rooftop bars/restaurants.
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Ben
May 19th, 2009
3:09 pm
Whoops. Forgot another. Capitol City Grille in Buckhead. But only if you are sitting at a window table on the South side. You can see all the way to downtown.
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Dreamboat
May 19th, 2009
3:32 pm
Olive’s is closed
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kt
May 19th, 2009
3:32 pm
I also forgot about the rooftop at Verve, haven’t been there in months & I heard it closed.
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JJ
May 19th, 2009
3:46 pm
My deck. Fabulous cocktails, wonderful crowd, Happy hours!!! And a georgeous view over my Park-like backyard…..
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reservoirDAWG
May 19th, 2009
3:56 pm
Capital Grille.
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demand
May 19th, 2009
4:13 pm
Two Urban Licks …. great view on a nice day, when the big doors are open!!!
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Dewayne Vincent
May 19th, 2009
4:16 pm
Taqueria del sol on the westside of town. Hands down the best margaritas in town!!! I go every Wednesday religiously. GOT TO TRY IT OUT!
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andy
May 19th, 2009
4:39 pm
Turner Field shows it best; anything in the Centennial Park area; and though you can only have a coke and a reason (to be there), an interesting and picturesque view is from an upper floor at Grady Hospital looking north (great contrast with rising buildings on the left and open city to the right adn distant northside straight ahead).
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Remember
May 19th, 2009
4:46 pm
The Beer Mug looking over Peachtree Street and I-85. So it’s just a fond memory but I bet I am not the only one!!!!
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Bob
May 19th, 2009
4:57 pm
JCT Bar. Great view of Buckhead, Midtown and Downtown from West Midtown. Great oysters and live music as well.
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FM Fats
May 19th, 2009
5:09 pm
I second the Two Urban Licks nomination. Wonderful place for an infusion, pulled pork, and then a lollipop after dinner. Midtown looks like Oz from the patio.
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Monet
May 19th, 2009
10:36 pm
Everyone – get super excited about this! I’m from Arizona…one word…Amazing. The RA in Tucson and in Scottsdale were always the best place on Sunday for Industry Nights, with reverse happy hour and the one in Tucson always had a DJ. Can’t wait for this one in Midtown to open!!!
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mike
May 20th, 2009
2:59 pm
so i guess Ludacris was not lying on that song “On Top of The World”..”put one of my partners right through culinary art school, now he my personal chef so that bread he get it”
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May 20th, 2009
3:18 pm
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jimmy
May 20th, 2009
3:21 pm
Thanks for the news – do you know if they will be open for lunch (in general, not that Thursday)?
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Chris
May 20th, 2009
4:10 pm
What a thug.
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jellyton D
May 20th, 2009
4:23 pm
oh, i thought it was, like, black and straight, and no fags or white people for that matter, allowed, lest you want the gold-plated glock to the temple is you bullet proof honkie, throw da body in da dumpster……..treatment. They glare at you when you walk by if you are gay, sho nuff.
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kt
May 20th, 2009
4:38 pm
jellyton D – WOW
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Santana
May 20th, 2009
4:51 pm
I’ve dined there, the food is good, the service is just ok. People go just to see who’s there. I think the front of the house staff could be a bit more friendlier. They are there observing as well of what celebrity or athlete walks in the door. It’s another Justin’s restaurant.
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Patrice
May 20th, 2009
5:02 pm
It’s a fabulous restaurant – the food is great and the service is good too. Its a pretty place, and just nice if you want to sit at the bar and have a drink….tried a drink called “red head in the bed” and it made me want to be one….lol
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Tracey
May 20th, 2009
5:03 pm
I went one night here recently and Luda was there – he’s cool and he seemed genuine when he said “thanks for coming” – I will go back because of that. Of and the food is good too!
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Patrice
May 20th, 2009
5:05 pm
yay Luda! Congrats dude! Forget the haters man, keep doing YOU – the food is great and its a nice place.
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Drew
May 20th, 2009
6:40 pm
Jimmy – according to the restaurant’s web page “The restaurant will be open for lunch and dinner, Monday through Saturday.”
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=star+provisions+abattoir
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Lance
May 21st, 2009
12:25 am
Looking forward to their veggies and salad.
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Stuck in texas
May 21st, 2009
2:17 am
Brisket and links is not bbq, that’s just called meat. There aren’t any good steakhouses here either! I could sure go for some Two Brothers bbq right now, but no I’m 800 miles away!!!
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Schlonghorn
May 21st, 2009
5:20 am
The days of the pricy “chop house” are over. Anyone willing to pay $40 for a steak AND 8 dollars for a side, needs to have their head cheese examined.
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Bitter EX democrackkk
May 21st, 2009
6:48 am
LMAO! aint that the truth!
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D
May 21st, 2009
6:56 am
The menu items are disgusting.I hope they have a large enough fan base to carry this one, their other places are delightful.
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KA
May 21st, 2009
7:51 am
Abattoir? Are you kidding? Is this a Hannibal Lecter chain? I certainly don’t want to be reminded of the horrifying slaughter of the meat on my plate. Ghoulish, not delicious.
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Drew
May 21st, 2009
11:49 am
I’ll get on my soapbox here for a moment:
Some of the attitudes here are questionable at best. I think we all tend to forget where our food comes from and the fact that there is more to an animal aside from boneless skinless chicken breasts, pork chops, or ground beef. While you may not find amusement in the name or what will be served at this restaurant, to say that “the menu items are disgusting” is frankly, ignorant and naive. I mean that in the nicest way possible, of course.
For all of you who don’t think the food here will be appetizing, you certainly have your right to an opinion, but don’t fault the highly respected and skilled chefs/owners for thinking outside the box. I for one am happy that these chefs are adventurous enough to open a restaurant like this. It brings variety to Atlanta. And one last cliche comment; don’t knock it ’till you try it.
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mford
May 21st, 2009
1:41 pm
Hear hear, Drew. I’m told by chef owner Ann Quatrano that the price point will be much lower at Abattoir as well, making it a clear competitor for places like Holeman & Finch, which is wildly popular.
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Meridith Ford Goldman
May 21st, 2009
1:46 pm
And Jimmy: the info I have is that lunch hours are still to come. So give them a call before you go.
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Pizzle Pate
May 21st, 2009
3:29 pm
If they think they will compete with H & F, they better have a killer cocktails program and top notch bartenders.
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FoodieBuddha
May 22nd, 2009
2:28 am
@MFG & @Jimmy: Had dinner there tonight … err … last night …. according to the gang at the restaurant, they are holding off on lunch for the near future …
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Janine
May 22nd, 2009
10:02 am
God hate Moon Pies. When I tried them for the first time when I was little, I threw up after 3 bites. Even now, just looking at them makes me nauseated. OOO this picture is not helping. Bye y’all…
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Becky
May 22nd, 2009
10:25 am
Love them..Just had one last week..A small taste of heaven..I can’t wait to try the Over The Moon Banana Pudding..
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Friday
May 22nd, 2009
10:52 am
Moonpies are YUCK!
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Friday
May 22nd, 2009
10:53 am
Moonpies are YUCK! Now can anyone tell me where to find Twinkies anymore?
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Janine
May 22nd, 2009
11:39 am
friday, they aren’t in stores anymore?
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Becky
May 22nd, 2009
11:41 am
Friday, I’m just the opposite..I think Twinkies are YUCK..
Hope everyone has a great weekend..
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Harriet
May 22nd, 2009
11:43 am
Like the yellow/banana moon pies, not so much for twinkies but do you remember Stage Planks? Ummm…memories.
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anne
May 22nd, 2009
11:47 am
Friday – I bought Twinkies last week at Kroger.
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nita
May 22nd, 2009
12:15 pm
Moon pies are the best. I love the vanilla and orange. Moon pies remind me of my granddaddy. He would always bring back moon pies after he had fished for hours on end. The grand kids that didn’t go fishing would meet him as he got out of the car looking for the moon pies. Those were the good ole days. I don’t know which we enjoyed more, fresh fish, which we had several times a week or the moon pies. He fished 3 or 4 times a week so we ate moon pies often.
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nita
May 22nd, 2009
12:16 pm
Harriet, we called stage planks, go-go cookies if they were the ginger bread cookies with pink icing
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arlene
May 22nd, 2009
12:16 pm
The best of all are Tastykake products. They are made in Philadelphia and have a large selection of goodies, although all varieties are not down here Try their chocolate cupcakes and butterscotch krimpets. Publix carries them.
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Sue
May 22nd, 2009
12:33 pm
I’m not a huge fan of Moon Pies but my husband is! He likes to put them in the microwave until the marshmallow part swells up real big and gooey and then eats it with a fork.
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Juanita
May 22nd, 2009
12:42 pm
Arlene –
Please move your obese, double-wide backside back to Philly and eat all the TastyCakes you like, Heifer.
We Southern MOON PIE lovers don’t need “Your Kind” down here.
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arlene
May 22nd, 2009
1:08 pm
Juanita…..your butt is probably wider than mine from all of the grease in your guts! You are an ugly, ignorant HEIFER. Get a life…and try to find some manners. Your reply was totally uncalled for.
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arlene
May 22nd, 2009
1:10 pm
…and also, Juanita: you sound like traier park trash!
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arlene
May 22nd, 2009
1:12 pm
…And also, Juanita: you sound like a school- dropout trailer park trash idiot!
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Janine
May 22nd, 2009
1:30 pm
Jeez Juanita that was stupid. You don’t insult us Georgians; we have spirit and pride that you Yankees can only dream about! Woot!
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arlene
May 22nd, 2009
2:27 pm
That’s okay…the war is over….and WE WON!!!
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RBSAtlanta
May 22nd, 2009
3:35 pm
I think I love Drew (05-21-09, 11:49am) … or at least, Drew’s ‘tude regarding food. I’m currently away from the city on holiday but as soon as I’m back, I’m Abattoir bound!
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RBSAtlanta
May 22nd, 2009
3:38 pm
My word, ladies … it’s a d*mn Moon Pie! They’re tasty and all (although I’ll bet most of us have a more sentimental attachment to them than gustatory) but they’re not worth the name calling and anger!
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Janine
May 22nd, 2009
3:52 pm
Yay! so shove it, juanita
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jim
May 22nd, 2009
7:43 pm
God Meredith, your column has become so lame. Please AJC, get rid of this woman and give Kessler her space.
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Chris
May 23rd, 2009
8:51 am
I ate there Thursday and the menu is well thought out alllowing the more adventerous to explore while having numerous well executed dishes more typical for the southeast. With only 2 dishes over $20 it is timely in today’s climate.
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AvidBoater
May 25th, 2009
2:26 pm
On my boat at Lake Lanier listening to the rush hour traffic report…
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Daniel
May 25th, 2009
6:24 pm
my back porch. no breathtaking view, but i don’t have to worry about getting pulled over after a few drinks…
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RZM
May 25th, 2009
8:26 pm
11 Stories at the Glenn Hotel all night and day.
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Pablo Picasso
May 25th, 2009
8:55 pm
Drink to me, drink to my health, you know I can’t drink anymore.
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chiefsquirrel83
May 25th, 2009
9:55 pm
Big Creek Tavern, Skoagies, Dockside Grille!!!! @ Lanier!
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LeeDawg
May 25th, 2009
10:21 pm
The top of the Georgian Terrace Hotel at the pool. You have to take your own drinks but its outstanding.
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Justin
May 25th, 2009
11:18 pm
WETBAR at the new W Atlanta Downtown. Poolside cocktails on the 16th floor and the view is amazing!
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JoyM
May 25th, 2009
11:24 pm
Shout on Peachtree St. has a a great roof top area ton enjoy drinks and great appetizers($10 all you can eat appeitzers on Monday’s, so a great way to end a work day). I miss the vibe @ Verve Lounge, kinda sad it closed….definitely check out the Sundial Restaurant @ The Westin Peachtree Plaza….great views and not so bad prices….not all the expensive, in my book.
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BigTim
May 26th, 2009
8:15 am
Rooftop bar at Tin Lizzys grant Park. Great view of cemetery and downtown. Not to mention the margaritas are quite delicious.
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Knuckle Sandwich
May 26th, 2009
9:04 am
McCrays in Lawrenceville, if you find yourself there. Great view of historic downtown.
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CC
May 26th, 2009
10:10 am
Check out the Hotel Palomar roof deck on W. Peachtree at 6th. It is awesome!
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rob
May 26th, 2009
10:30 am
Any Bank headquarters building (Bof A, Suntrust, you name it)has near top floor eats for the privleged few.
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Ykcir
May 26th, 2009
10:34 am
The new 5 Seasons Brewing in the Brickworks has great rooftop seating with a view of midtown. Also come with the best beer in town. Another good spot is the rooftop bar at FAB.
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Capt. Lefty
May 26th, 2009
11:43 am
Mad Dogs at the top of the Baths in the British Virgin Islands. 3 Finger Painkillers are the best!
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ba
May 26th, 2009
12:36 pm
Cincos in Vickery Village. It is a GREAT SPOT in cumming.
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Kaye
May 27th, 2009
7:55 am
You can find moon pies at Family Doilar. 3 for $1.00
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Tyler P
May 27th, 2009
8:14 am
Who cares.
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Hi there
May 27th, 2009
8:15 am
Can’t wait to see this one. Schlosser changed the way I look at all food after reading his book. It’s time for us to take a step back and really look at what we are putting in our bodies. Cancer rates aren’t this way for no reason, nor is obesity at the levels it’s at just because people “can’t put down their fork.”
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Meridith Ford Goldman
May 27th, 2009
1:11 pm
Tyler P: A lot of people care. Maybe you should check the film out — who knows? Maybe it will change your attitude.
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Blake
May 27th, 2009
3:07 pm
GET READY ATLANTA!!!!!! This place rocks!!!! I’ve been to other RA locations and it’s a party not only in your mouth, but all around you!
And the wait staff…… HOT and ANYthing but your typical dull waiter/waitress!!
(check out MONICA)
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DX
May 28th, 2009
6:53 am
Home grown heirloom tomato, chopped Vidalia onion,fresh ground black pepper & Hellman’s mayo on fresh white bread. Mmmmm…….. Le redneck gourmet vegetarian sandwich.
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Lara
May 28th, 2009
8:47 am
I love to dip my Wendy’s french fries into my frosty – yum!
And after a salad bar mishap, I now like bacon bits on my jello.
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JustMe
May 28th, 2009
9:19 am
My husband eats peanut butter, banana and mayo sandwiches.
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Stan
May 28th, 2009
10:42 am
I used to love PB banana and mayo sammiches. Heck when I was a kid I’d eat a mayo sammich, mayo on 2 slices of bread…
Fries in the frosty, yup done that too…
I don’t think much of anything I eat is weird though…maybe it is to other people.
BTW I gotta pass on the Redneck veg sammich, I can’t stand raw tomatos
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Glen
May 28th, 2009
12:59 pm
Peanut Butter and Dill Pickle Sandwiches. Yummo.
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kt
May 28th, 2009
1:20 pm
DX that’s called a “mater” sandwich where I’m from! NC. Also, fries in the Frosty are the bomb, I have to be in the mood for it though. What about bananas & mayo minus the peanut butter?
I’ve eaten syrup sandwiches, toast w/syrup on it. Yum.
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Jami
May 28th, 2009
1:22 pm
What is the point of posting on a topic just to write “who cares?”I read a Vegan book recently and though I do not plan on giving up animal based food products anytime soon,it did reveal information about the FDA and USDA and how lobbyists have their hands in the government’s pockets to determine what is best for our bodies. I have cut back on my beef and pork intake since then and I already feel lighter.
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Atlanta Native
May 28th, 2009
1:37 pm
My father ate peanut butter and butter sandwiches, peanut butter and vidalia onion sandwiches and sometimes all three. I like peanut butter and banana but my parents always added mayo, too.
BBQ sauce mixed with sauerkraut was introduced to me by my ex-mother-in-law and is great. Hot or cold, no less.
I prefer A-1 on my baked potato to butter (leftover from a diet years ago)
And for you Yankees – find an old 8 oz. bottle of Coke and put salted peanuts in it.
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Old School
May 28th, 2009
1:41 pm
Diced or sliced crisp Red Delicious apple splashed with cider vinegar! Love it, love it! Another blissful favorite is ketchup on tossed salad (but my daughters won’t let me have that in public.)
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ihorizon
May 28th, 2009
1:49 pm
For Halloween I’d make popcorn and sprinkle M&M candies in it. Kids loved it!
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Dawg Daddy
May 28th, 2009
1:55 pm
Peanut butter and popcorn sandwiches helped me survive as a starving college student. They’re filling and they taste great. Almost 25 years later, I still eat then once in a while. Yum!
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Food Lover
May 28th, 2009
2:08 pm
Frois Gras milkshake from Flip Burger. OMG. I know exactly how it sounds but dang if it isn’t just a slice of heaven.
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Elvis P
May 28th, 2009
2:08 pm
Toasted peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich.
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Martha
May 28th, 2009
2:24 pm
my son Timmy when he was in grammer school could not eat but one sandwich and he liked bologna and mayo and p nut butter and jelly so he put the two togeather and made bologna p nut butter and jelly and he still eats it today as a grown man
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GE
May 28th, 2009
2:28 pm
Chocolate ice cream topped with Captain Crunch! The best!
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Razz
May 28th, 2009
2:34 pm
peanut butter and lettuce sandwiches…yum!
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Meridith Ford Goldman
May 28th, 2009
2:44 pm
Peanut butter seems to be the mixer of choice when it comes to sammiches. GE: try Captain Crunch on dulce de leche. Yummers.
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d
May 28th, 2009
3:01 pm
I remember a friend from summer camp….Mashed potato and grape jelly sandwich.
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COCO
May 28th, 2009
3:13 pm
Collard green sandwich=white bread, collard green. Not that I have ever tried it but my aunt says it tastes great! Yuck! Ketchup on scrambled eggs. Yummo!
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Ann
May 28th, 2009
3:21 pm
Survived in college on white bread, Miracle Whip and BBQ potato chip sandwiches………..ummmmm, sounds good right now!
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lsl
May 28th, 2009
3:25 pm
Razz-I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD WHO ATE PB AND LETTUCE SANDWICHES!! I LOVE THEM!! Are you from the midwest? I ate my first one at the deli in a Yonkers store… good old days!
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Don't sleep...
May 28th, 2009
3:26 pm
Cashew Butter smeared on fresh apple slices
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Leah
May 28th, 2009
3:27 pm
Chocolate and banana anything. My usual midnight snack is a banana and chocolate soymilk smoothie made with ice and artificial sweetner. Probably not that weird of a combination–but my favorite combination.
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May 29th, 2009
8:49 am
It’s because there’s too damn many people in the world. We keep ending wars and making cars safer. The natural attrition isn’t happening anymore. Welcome to overpopulation.
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May 29th, 2009
11:10 am
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Chris
May 29th, 2009
6:41 pm
Can the guy who wrote this not do math? How are some of these under thirty when the cheapest entree is $15?
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jay
May 29th, 2009
7:02 pm
Very depressing. I don’t see anything wrong with the location either, except the parking was a little ambiguous. Good looking place too. Atlantans need to get out and support their favorite places soon or there won’t be any. Local restaurateurs are already calling this summer the “summer of death”!
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Dot
May 29th, 2009
7:33 pm
It’s very interesting to me that there is a movie about what type foods we intake into our own bodies. Food,Inc. is an eye opene 4 me.Hopefully, I will get the chance 2 see this one.
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Michelle
May 29th, 2009
7:59 pm
I agree with Chris!! Most of these places are hardly bargains. My picks: Top Floor (Midtown), Across the Street (Inman Park), Mali (Virginia Highlands), Holy Taco in East Atlanta (great terrace!) … anyone else?
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Rob
May 29th, 2009
9:03 pm
I think its under $30 per person and you have to drink water
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Noah
May 29th, 2009
9:14 pm
Agree. They are not the good but cheap places I frequent.
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R. H. Gord
May 29th, 2009
9:23 pm
I ate at Chops in Buckhead the other night so I’m not qualified for this discussion…
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Fred
May 29th, 2009
9:46 pm
Come on Chris, Ms Ford is known by every person who owns a dining establishment. Think she EVER pays full price for anything or gets anything other than preferential treatment? Check out the flap over her caterer at her wedding…………
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stew
May 29th, 2009
11:26 pm
Ms. Ford has a thing for Atlanta restaurants. Does she not know that most of the AJC’s readers live outside the Atlanta city limits and eat locally?
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Chigga
May 30th, 2009
12:49 am
I guess you have to share the meal then you date will think your a cheapo!!!!! LOL
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loanman
May 30th, 2009
4:11 pm
El Azteca on Ponce. The Margaritas are so kick ass that you won’t care about a view.
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Toren Anderson
May 30th, 2009
6:43 pm
Hands down, no place is more romantic, beautiful or unique than the rooftop at French American Brasserie a/k/a FAB, it’s perfect. Their drinks are unreal, try the Zeus and the view is unforgettable. We love taking our friends there for before dinner drinks and also just stopping in for a quick bite. Do not miss this Atlanta must-see!
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CANDICE
May 30th, 2009
10:15 pm
BUTTERED POPCORN WITH CHOCOLATE COVERED RAISINS. I GET MY SALTY,CHOCOLATE AND FRUIT ALL IN ONE. GOOD EATING
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Mark
May 31st, 2009
8:09 am
FRiO – COMING SOON!- This will be the best view in Atlanta. It’s so nice, I’m affraid to let the cat out of the bag!
Beautiful scenery
Beautiful people – As in nice people being nice to each other.
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B
May 31st, 2009
9:10 am
The new 5 Seasons Brewery Westside @ Howell Mill and Marrietta Street has an amazing new space called the Sky Bar. Awesome views of the skyline and what I believe to be the best Beer in Atlanta hands down. Plus the food rocks!!
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Yanamom
May 31st, 2009
8:43 pm
Cheep? I don’t think so, try for $20.00 or less for 2 dinners, that is cheep. We want kid friendly places to go with a family of 4 for under $30.00 for dinner. That is what we call a good bargin! But $30.00 for two? I don’t think so.
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concerned
May 31st, 2009
10:28 pm
this is the worst newspaper cover to cover on the planet
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DrinkSlinger
June 1st, 2009
1:53 am
this was a terrible article. I have eaten at 4 of these places and the only way you can eat for under 30 bucks is if you get salads or appetizers and waters, just like any middle priced restaurant. Hopefully, next time, the author can actually put some effort into the title they decided on. Under 30 bucks? Sheesh… Around here, Woodstock, Try The Place or BLD’s… Rosie’s Diner is also a good bet.
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Meridith Ford Goldman
June 1st, 2009
9:17 am
Well, this seems to have hit a nerve. Actually, I’m not a guy, and I did the math — You can get in and out of these places for $30. No, you can’t eat everything on the menu and drink booze until your skull aches. But you can eat, reasonably for $30. And for the record, Fred — you’re right. A lot of restaurateurs know what I look like. I’ve been doing this for a while, so that’s bound to happen. But I don’t accept things for free. Frankly, most restaurants don’t bother to offer because they know I won’t accept it — they know the rules as well as I. If things get sticky, I cover the cost of an item in my tip. But that’s pretty much the standard for any dining critic, anywhere.
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brian
June 1st, 2009
9:21 am
Ate at Abattoir Saturday night and I enjoyed it thoroughly. The prices are on point, the options are uniques, and the menu is huge. If I have one complaint it would be that the menu is too big. (This could be an initial menu that will be tailored down as soon as they consider what the more popular dishes are.) All in all I loved it and will be back again soon!
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DeAnne
June 1st, 2009
11:49 am
The Rooftop at FAB has an amazing view! You can have dinner up there and the space makes you feel like you are somewhere, other than in Atlanta.
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RBSAtlanta
June 1st, 2009
12:41 pm
KUDOS for the Atlanta boys – always nice to hear about locals hitting the mark with something! But, I’m a Peet’s French Roast (black, please) kinda guy.
The craziest I get with coffee is when I (very infrequently) add one Splenda and a hit of heavy cream.
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Soccerboy
June 1st, 2009
1:15 pm
This is the best coffee beverage in a can, easily and by far. It also beat a lot of coffee shops “fresh” lattés. Can you hear me, Caribou? Can you?
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Haley
June 1st, 2009
1:15 pm
At’a boys!
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MannDubinBlog.com
June 1st, 2009
1:18 pm
“…pretty refreshing.” Somebody really needs to stop hitting the pipe. It’s like God in a can.
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April
June 1st, 2009
2:52 pm
Discovered the Whyantte in a midtown bar back in February. My OTP friends think I am a crazy, because they cannot find them in stores.
I went to the Whynatte warehouse and picked up a few cases so they could enjoy and know that I had not completely lost it. We are totally strung out on them now.
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Kim
June 1st, 2009
2:59 pm
Whynatte and Creme de Menthe…A grown thin mint in liquid form…YUMMO!!!!
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Billy
June 1st, 2009
3:44 pm
Whynatte is the s*it! So sick of Red Bull. It’s about time someone figured out how to unseat Red Bull, and offer up a product that actually tastes good. Well done ATL.
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Sarah
June 1st, 2009
4:10 pm
Yeah fellas!
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Tyler
June 1st, 2009
4:56 pm
WHYNATTE IS THE BEST!
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Lionel Messi
June 1st, 2009
5:08 pm
Great drink. I haven’t met one person who doesn’t like it. Helps me out before a game as well
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Bacchus
June 1st, 2009
5:21 pm
Whynatte is good, but keep an eye out for Liquid Ice!!!
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mford
June 1st, 2009
5:25 pm
Bacchus: Do tell.
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Jesse
June 1st, 2009
6:16 pm
Meridith – I appreciate the positive review, and hope to one day write one of you as well. Actually, I’ll do just that when I post your blog entry on the Whynatte website.
Everyone else – thanks for taking the time to comment, thanks for the continued support, and stay tuned as we take this once inside joke to the next level.
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Fatlanta Teddy
June 1st, 2009
10:56 pm
Bacchus, you are dead on. Liguid Ice is like a party in your mouth. Red Bull who?
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GTPHISH
June 2nd, 2009
12:32 pm
Too bad Dusty’s closed, loved that place
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Brill
June 2nd, 2009
12:36 pm
Wow ! I can’t believe Dusty’s closed, it has been there forever.
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Drew
June 2nd, 2009
12:45 pm
Didn’t Dusty’s close a month ago? Right on top of it, AJC.
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Kevin C
June 2nd, 2009
12:56 pm
I just recently went to Rolling Bones and had the BBQ tacos (chicken, pork, and brisket)…I was craving it again the next day for lunch! Not only was it creative but also very tasty. You can’t go wrong with any sides and the cookie topped it off just as good as mom used to. Great spot for lunch if you are in the area.
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Bacchus
June 2nd, 2009
1:08 pm
check it…
http://liquidiceny.com/
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Bacchus
June 2nd, 2009
1:11 pm
The distributor here in GA is brand new so the website has not yet been updated, but stayed alert for Liquid Ice being available at your favorite bar, restaurant, convenience store, and gas station soon. And if it’s not there be sure to ask for it!
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Darin
June 2nd, 2009
1:13 pm
Yea for the Social mention! I love that place. I was just there last Friday night and enjoyed the chicken liver/toast small plate and it ended up being a fine small dinner (the kind that leaves plenty of room for dessert later) along with a beer. This is currently my fave Atlanta restaurant.
Figo is another place my family likes and it really is a good bargain for the quality of food. I like the spinach papardelle with the mushroom sauce.
Another place I can recommend is Sausalito on Peachtree and 17th. Their enchiladas are really good. It’s a cute spot with a nice patio, but you do have to put up with eating with disposable utensils and plates.
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Darin
June 2nd, 2009
1:18 pm
Well, poo. I never got a chance to go. I guess I didn’t put it high up enough on my list of ‘places to go with my wife when we have a babysitter’. I have really enjoyed the other three Ullio places, especially Fritti, so I’m sure it was good.
I really hope to see a successful authentic Spanish restaurant in Atlanta some time. It’s a cuisine I know little of and would like to try.
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phar71
June 2nd, 2009
1:46 pm
only went once and loved it, should have gone more often.
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Sam
June 2nd, 2009
1:49 pm
Pointless, just go to FOX BROS on Dekalb Ave, best Barb-Q in Georgia.
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Ernest T Bass
June 2nd, 2009
3:36 pm
6 Feet Under on 11th.. Hands Down – Gotta love those Rat Toes..
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Johnny Red Balls
June 2nd, 2009
3:58 pm
6 feet under @ 11th, Stats downtown and 5 Seasons Westside
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Chris
June 2nd, 2009
8:08 pm
Firstly, I apologize for referring to you as, “guy.” I recently moved and the food critic where I used to live was a guy and I forgot it was a new paper. However to say that you, “Hit a nerve,” completely misses the point of our comments. You were not writing an article on some sensitive topic where people get riled up. If any “nerve” was hit, it’s the one that says, “I don’t want to spend thirty dollars on dinner and need to hit McDonald’s on the way home.” To say that, “No, you can’t eat everything on the menu and drink booze until your skull aches.” Is such a terrible straw man and everyone can see it. Did anyone on here imply that we should be able to eat anything we want and buy a bunch of drinks. No, we merely wanted more to our meal than a salad and appetizer. If I am wrong, by all means tell me. Please point out what entrees we could order at these places and get out for less than $30. Figo certainly hits this mark. But I would have a very difficult time at most of these places.
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BJo
June 2nd, 2009
8:47 pm
Nothing better than a BLT with a very fresh red orb from the garden. A side of cole slaw and a cool Coke……. I’m in heaven.
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jon
June 2nd, 2009
8:59 pm
I love tomatoes – but I refuse to buy those simulated tomato products they sell in the produce section of the grocery store at any time of the year. And the roadside stand tomatoes are hardly any better. They are bred for shelf life and not for taste. If more people had ever eaten a true homegrown tomato, they would also refuse to buy the crap the commercial growers call tomatoes, forcing them to work on the taste instead of the shelf life.
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catlady
June 2nd, 2009
9:13 pm
I have about 60 plants of various types, looking so forward to sampling. I am learning to eat raw tomatoes now, but the best way besides stewed on spaggetti, is to cut in half, put half miracle whip and half sour cream on the top, and put under the broiler for a few minutes. Yummmmmm!
Store bought tomatoes are an affront to the Almighty.
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KC
June 2nd, 2009
9:33 pm
I agree. Homegrown tastes like summer. Yummy!
I am looking for recommendations though… which are the best kind to buy for taste? Big Boy, Beefsteak, etc? And how about hybrid vs. heirloom? I try to look for heirloom because I think Mother Nature knows best, but there is usually more hybrid available. Thanks in advance!
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lovemygrub
June 2nd, 2009
9:38 pm
I agree with Chris, and sorry to the hypersensitive critic! Nobody expects to drink “until our skulls ache” but want to go for a date night for a reasonable price. My advice — try Decatur. My date and I each had three beers, an appetizer and two dinners for $50 at Universal Joint. The best hummus I’ve ever had. Nothing fancy, but an interesting and fun crowd and great service.
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cdrobi
June 2nd, 2009
9:38 pm
Straight off the home grown vine, washed and salt in the palm of your hand (take me back to childhood in PA and daddy’s garden) the taste is unbelievable. The stores just don’t get it…
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lovemygrub
June 2nd, 2009
10:10 pm
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Meridith Ford Goldman
June 3rd, 2009
9:42 am
No problem on the guy thing Chris. Just thought you should know. Social — have you tried it? definitely a good spot that’s not expensive. Pure — have you tried it? Ditto. Figo definitely. The only place on this list that seems questionable to me is the Shed. I put it on the list because it’s a nice neighborhood spot — a little nicer than the others — and the chef and owner try really hard, and yes — if you choose wisely — you can get out for around $30, especially if you go on one their “specials” nights, which I mentioned. I was trying to include places all around the city — Alpharetta, Southside, Downtown, etc. and I wanted at least one of them to be a little more upscale, to allow options for those who might want them. There are many others, of course. Like lovemygrub’s suggestion of the U Joint in Decatur, by all means let me know what spots you like in this category. I would love to include them in an upcoming “Top 5/In Search Of” as readers’ and commentors’ picks.
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Sam
June 3rd, 2009
12:00 pm
KC – The best tomatoes are grown in Arizona! Eurofresh Farms grows vine-ripened, hydroponic tomatoes that are just perfect. You can get them at any Atlanta-area Costco and Super Walmart. I recommend their Campari variety for snacking and the Roma for fresh sauce.
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Molly
June 3rd, 2009
12:48 pm
I love farm fresh tomatoes so much that I am giddy thinking about the upcoming season. Thankfully the drought has gone away for the most part because tomatoes need lots of rain to be juicy. In addition to eating plain with some salt, i will cut into large chunks for a tomato salad. Add some good olive oil, a crushed garlic clove (don’t chop the garlic or it will be to strong – just squash a clove with the slide of a chef knife and toss in with the salad and it will flavor the oil – i recommend warning guests they may not want to eat the raw clove), salt, pepper and a one of the following chopped herbs if desired – basil, cilantro or italian parsley all add a nice flavor. YUM. I can’t wait for my CSA to start including tomatoes in our box!
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Jason Greene
June 3rd, 2009
1:00 pm
OK, you guys. Lay off Meridith. Most true foodies do not live OTP. We dedicated foodies live in the city, not in restaurant chain heaven(OTP), Yes there are many other bargain spots in the city, besides these. And she does not get reduced dinners, when she is doing a review.
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Jason Greene
June 3rd, 2009
1:15 pm
Growing up in the South, it was always a fresh tomato from my Grandmother’s city garden, with Hellman’s Mayo, on White Bread, and Black Pepper. And of course, a glass of ice cold sweet tea.
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Nancy
June 3rd, 2009
1:24 pm
I admit I have a penchant for Buford Highway and other ethnic dining, and there are plenty of inexpensive but delicious places there. I love Panahar and Little Malaysia (no atmosphere but amazing food). Both of these are BYOB, which really stetches the dollar. Another good option is to check restaurant websites for dinner specials – Ecco and La Tavola both offer wine and pasta for $15 on Monday night and many other places have week night specials. I love reading all the reviews and then checking out websites so that I’m aware of the menu specials.
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Becky
June 3rd, 2009
3:17 pm
Fresh tomato out of the garden on white bread with Blue Plate mayo, sliced onion with salt and pepper to taste, with a big glass of ice cold milk..It doesn’t get any better than that…
I work in Cobb County and there is a road side market off of S. Cobb Dr. that has really great tomatoes…
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Stephanie
June 3rd, 2009
3:22 pm
I went several times. Only once was good. After that, the food and service deteriorated badly, and for one who lived in Spain, these folks better head for La Mancha.
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LT
June 3rd, 2009
3:40 pm
Actually, a great place to go right now for a good deal is Ippolito’s (I know of 2 locations & both are OTP). They are running a “Hard Times” special on several menu items. $7.95 at lunch & $8.95 at dinner and it comes with a coke.
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EE Riggin
June 3rd, 2009
4:30 pm
BRANDYWINE AND CUCUMBER WHITE BREAD SANDWICH
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chad
June 3rd, 2009
5:42 pm
love this stuff, but i actually like mine warmed up a lil.
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Jason
June 3rd, 2009
8:58 pm
What about Ted Montana Grill? 10.00 coupons on the website,12.00 lunch and 15.00 dinner deals. Go to there website and get 10.00 coupons. Midtown(Buckhead) has eat great for 8,a lunch special that runs all week.Great food,great service!!
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Grant
June 3rd, 2009
9:23 pm
Just want to stick up for MFG here. This is not a “Cheap Eats” rundown (CL & CityGuide have those, though, and they are very helpful when hunting that kind of place), but it’s not a bad list for nice restaurants where you can feasibly squeak in and out without breaking the bank – even if it does mean the lighter side of the food and drink offerings. Cheers to Nancy and Michelle for Top Flr and Panahar, too.
In regards to “concerned,” I think that your comment is more fitting to the point that the AJC is currently headlining sports news, and that there is no mention of GM, Air France, or New Hampshire on the home page. If anything, MFG is what keeps this newspaper from not being the worst newspaper.
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ihorizon
June 3rd, 2009
11:16 pm
Folks forget all that places mentioned above and go to Park Cafe in Duluth…A lunch and dessert can be had for under $15..in fact, they have special $10 meal where you can get a luncheon special: a small mixed green salad, a sandwhich, and a soup. Drink is extra so lemon water is good! This is a wonderful establishment and although I have not had dinner there yet, I do frequent the lunch as it is a beautiful quiet place to be out in the patio. Hope this helps.
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SamAmI
June 4th, 2009
2:45 am
Hunan Gourmet in Sandy Springs for great Chinese and Thai! Great quality and generous portions for the price. Last week’s dinner – $29.43: One Stella Artois, One Iced Tea, an order of Curry Chicken, and an order of Mongolian Beef. Rice of course. Fed us three adults! Absolutely no complaints. Fantastic! Just a few lights from the perimeter. Straight shot down Roswell Road or Lake Forrest from Peachtree.
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obxgrl
June 4th, 2009
8:26 am
What planet does this woman live on? $30 for dinner for two? Does she not know we are in a recession? Give me something less than $20 and not inside the Atlanta city limits.
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Meridith Ford Goldman
June 4th, 2009
8:34 am
obxgrl: Guess you better head to Chili’s …
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Tucker
June 4th, 2009
8:55 am
Come out to Tucker and try Sangria’s, Mai Thai, Bambinelli’s, and Matthews…under $30 and very tasty.
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Amanda
June 4th, 2009
9:15 am
You folks are aware that the newspaper in question is the ATLANTA Journal-Constitution, not Canton, Alpharetta, Lawrenceville, etc…? Having lived OTP for the majority of my life, I’m not saying there aren’t some great restaurants that are worth the drive but stop whining that you don’t get enough dining reviews. You live next to a major metropolitan city, of course the restaurants there are going to be in the limelight.
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Brad
June 4th, 2009
9:40 am
For $30, but probably less, one can eat like a KING at any “authentic” Chinese or Korean restaurant and there are plenty of these places around Atlanta, both ITP and OTP
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ihorizon
June 4th, 2009
9:51 am
In that case, since the “A” in AJC represents “Atlanta” then I need to recommend definately go to Fresh 2 Order in Midtown. Food is under $30 and you are satified as the meal is that good!!! Go for it!!!
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J.D.
June 4th, 2009
10:13 am
Dailey’s closed?!? Where am I going to get my “Chocolate Charlotte” fix now??? I’m sorry to see both establishments shut down. I understand though that it’s a necessity due to the lack of business revenue. They will be missed.
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Amanda
June 4th, 2009
10:29 am
Nooooooooooo! Not Dailey’s! That was my favorite! We got engaged there
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MARCLAR
June 4th, 2009
12:15 pm
i JUST WANTED TO SAY IT WAS A BUMMER NOT SEEING MIDWAY PUB AND GRILL IN EAST ATLANTA VILLAGE ON THIS LIST. EVERYTHING I’VE HAD THERE WAS GREAT AND VERY WELL PRICED. ALSO SERVICE IS ALWAYS VERY PROMPT. ALSO GOOD OUTSIDE AREA. CHECK IT OUT!
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Chip
June 4th, 2009
4:39 pm
This stinks. I used to love going to Dailey’s as a kid back in the 80’s, in fact I even had my 16th birthday party there. Another beloved institution gone by the wayside.
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Brittany
June 4th, 2009
6:04 pm
Hard boiled eggs but instead of leaving the yolk the same mix it with Italian dressing.TRY IT!!!!!
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Jason
June 4th, 2009
6:06 pm
You do that to!!!It tastes great doesn’t it
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Claudia Franks
June 4th, 2009
8:45 pm
I like drinks with the ATL skyline on our balcony in Decatur…almost a 360 view. Where can I post pictures?
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m.j
June 4th, 2009
11:31 pm
Stop trying to pick and choose customers and treat all the same……look at incentive advertising….Arrogance is closing many restaurants down! Sorry to hear that Dailey’s is closing!
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Mike
June 5th, 2009
8:02 am
Nice rehash of mainstream Mexican food stops but this tired list does not even come close to touching on the great holes-in-the-wall that can be found inside and outside the perimeter. How about actually doing some research and providing some truly good/new/exciting dining information for the readers?
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Mike
June 5th, 2009
8:14 am
“So was it the recession, or location, that closed Cuerno?”
Neither.
It was mediocre food that was overpriced and really bad service.
Cuerno was fun but not good enough.
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Stan
June 5th, 2009
10:27 am
Mike, maybe you didn’t read.
“Either way, these are ten of my favorite taquerias and cantinas. What are yours?”
If you know so many great joints please share with the class.
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Meridith Ford Goldman
June 5th, 2009
10:42 am
Hi Mike: Please let me know your favorite spots. I’d love to check them out.
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fed up
June 5th, 2009
10:51 am
seriously…all everyone does is bitch and complain. get a life!!!
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Grady
June 5th, 2009
11:07 am
Another victim of Mr. Obama’s “spreadin’ it around”. What a tragedy! The closing of these two venerable institutions is a domino that does not bode well for Atlanta…
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Gildo
June 5th, 2009
11:27 am
Yes….Mi Barrio at Boulevard and Memorial is outstanding…not mentioned above. A family runs the place and is truly authentic.
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mford
June 5th, 2009
11:40 am
Hi Gildo: I did a post on Mi Barrio way back in February of 2008. Here’s what I said:
“Mi Barrio, on Memorial Drive on the outskirts of Grant Park, is an intown find. Family run, the place is relaxed and carefree, with decor ranging from a widescreen TV the size of a small house and bright Mexicana bric-a-brac from hanging sombreros to ceramic jugs.
The food is a mix of Guadalajaran goodies, from ceviche to birria (birrieria — traditionally made with goat but here made with beef because, according to one of the waitresses, no one would order it with goat.) It is an incredibly savory stew with shredded chunks of beef served with corn tortillas, refried beans and rice. The tamales are dry, but tacos adobada (pork stew) and gorditas brimming with chicken, beans, shredded lettuce and sliced tomato with avocado are pure joy. The staff treats everyone like regulars, and there’s an array of Mexican beers to partake of, though I didn’t bother with a margarita. On the weekends, the kitchen offers posole. It truly feels like mi barrio (or tu barrio, depending on your perspective). Mi Barrio, 571 Memorial Drive, Atlanta, 404-223-9279.”
I like Mi Barrio, but not as much as the taquerias I mention above, especially Oaxaquena and San Pancho. I love Los Hermanos in Tucker, too, but it’s more a full-menu Mexican restaurant, neither taqueria or cantina, which is why I didn’t list it. Sangrias in Tucker is fun, too.
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Willy
June 5th, 2009
12:07 pm
This just makes it easier to cram more hot, sugary heaven biscuits into my food hole.
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johnny t-bone
June 5th, 2009
12:27 pm
I agree with Mike. While the parking situation was terrible, the food was just eh, nothing special at all, and service was mediocre. Even if the economy were booming and it was in a prime location, Cuerno would have struggled.
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Patrick
June 5th, 2009
12:33 pm
“Doughnuts. Is there anything they can’t do?” – Homer Simpson, from “The Simpsons” episode “Marge vs. The Monorail”
Now that that’s out of the way, I love the doughnuts sold at our local Ingles. The only three Krispy Kremes I know of are on East Ponce in Atlanta, US 78/Stone Mountain Highway in Stone Mountain, and on Pleasant Hill Road in Duluth. I used to go to the one on Pleasant Hill every other Friday to get doughnuts for the department I work in. That fell through after I left, and if I get an itch (and craving) I might get some. I don’t care for Dunkin’ that much, but if it’s the only thing available, I’ll go there or eat them.
Next time you worry about doughnuts being loaded in fat and calories and carbs (oh my!), only the filled doughnuts, or the twisted ones have all that in them. The regular doughnuts do not. It’s because of that hole in the middle. That hole sucks in all of the baddies, and you don’t eat the hole, now do you? No. You eat around the hole, thereby avoiding said fat, calories, and carbs.
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Proofreader
June 5th, 2009
12:43 pm
“…a whole in the middle”?
You can’t rely on Spell Check alone, kids.
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Tyree
June 5th, 2009
12:49 pm
When in my birthday suit and in an amorous mood, I am able to carry two cups of steaming hot coffee and half a dozen doughnuts back to the bedroom in one trip. The Krispy kreme standard glazed are more flexible and have a silky feeling against my skin adding to the excitement. More times than not this is my spouse’s favorite indulgent treat.
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Meridith Ford Goldman
June 5th, 2009
1:10 pm
Proofreader: Mea culpa. Thanks and I’ll change that now ….
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mister donut
June 5th, 2009
1:32 pm
I worked at a donut shop in high school – we had this guy who used to get mad at us if we ran out of jelly donuts – so we used to make him a whole box of special jelly donuts and added about 5x the amount of jelly to the donut!! MMMMMMMM jelly!!!
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Grandma
June 5th, 2009
1:45 pm
Here is a real tomtoe treat: trim the top off the tomatoes, scoop out the center & fill the cavity with a mixture of chopped beef roast or baked chicken chunks with your favorite spices, some garlic and onions, bread cubes, parsley or chives (or both), top with a sprinkling of peparika. Bake at 350 degrees oven for 20 to 25 minutes.
Chop up the tops of the tomatoes and the centers to put in your salad (waste not).
You can add an egg to the stuffing mixture if you like. This is a great Monday night supper after you have had a beef roast or baked chicken for Sunday diner.
I was raised on these, with tomatoes fresh from our garden. I was a spoiled child – raised on a farm.
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Dawg Lover
June 5th, 2009
2:20 pm
TYREE…that comment made me laugh today. THANKS!
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Mac
June 5th, 2009
2:21 pm
The Ingle’s bakery has good doughnuts and I picked up a box for the folks in the office this morning. Didn’t know it was Doughnut Day.
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Barbara
June 5th, 2009
2:23 pm
Doughnuts on a stick, huh, Tyree? Wouldn’t want that bottom one.
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Chris Barber
June 5th, 2009
2:28 pm
Great list Meredith! My favorite on this list is Verde for sure and I am a also big Mexican food fan as well. I am gringo myself so maybe that is why I prefer Verde over the others. : ) I was surprised to read you said to leave the Chipotle Mayo sauce on the side, that’s my favorite thing at Verde! And after Mexican food my next favorite food is Condiments! Yes, it’s a type of food. Good pick on the fried calamari. Who would have thought? I also think the bar is pretty cool too with the wood fixtures and separation from the rest of the restaurant. I like the clear glass beer refrigerator so I can stare at all of my choices for number two as I enjoy number one. Great neighborhood restaurant away from the mainstream. Maybe you should keep your reviews to yourself so us locals can keep it that way…
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Steve
June 5th, 2009
2:36 pm
Donuts are the DEVIL. I live 4 miles from the Krispy Kreme in Stone Mountain…many mornings they call to me…I need help
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JayJay
June 5th, 2009
3:34 pm
Has anyone tried Sublime donuts on 10th? They’re amazing!
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Fan of Jeff Hager
June 5th, 2009
3:51 pm
Dunkin Donuts held a contest to create a new donut. The winner was Jeff Hager from Hoover, AL, who created a “Toffee with your coffee” donut that will be available in September. It’s topped with Heath Bars. YUM! Be sure to give it a try when it comes out! Watch his video at youtube.com/dunkindonuts.
Congratulations Jeff!!!
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Melissa
June 5th, 2009
4:09 pm
Taxco on the corner of Roswell/Wieuca
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RK
June 5th, 2009
4:12 pm
There’s just one thing that needs to be considered: where is the best, most authentic tacos al pastor? It is the definitive food of Mexico City.
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Baxter
June 5th, 2009
4:16 pm
ok i have to agree on the Taqueria del sol. i mean, the food is good and its pretty reasonable but what is it with all the attitude from the folks that work there? both the cheshire bridge and the howell mill locations are just no fun to go to anymore. the line at first was kind of fun, seriously, it was like, ohh, i’m going to be getting something good, but now, its just tired and while the food again is good, the service often times SUCKS. several of us have vowed just not to go back sorry all you sol lovers.
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FEK
June 5th, 2009
4:18 pm
are you kidding??! Nuevo Laredo
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Baxter
June 5th, 2009
4:19 pm
oops I forgot, holy taco in east atlanta is lots of fun, but it totally blows my mind that the staff all seem hard core but there are more couple with kids there than in the burbs. they even have a baby changing station in the mens room…how, sandy springs of them..but its fun to go, until the bratty kids start whining at 10pm, parents..can slap em and you can’t tell em squat when it comes to their kids.
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RK
June 5th, 2009
4:20 pm
I hate -forced- valet parking. I drove my car there — I can get it into a parking space. Atlanta is insane with valets. Oh, complimentary? If you never tip.
I’m not saying that was the issue with Cuerno, though; in a midtown or downtown destination, I expect to have to pay something for parking.
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Srsly?
June 5th, 2009
4:23 pm
Melissa- get out more. File Taxco under “cheap mexican,” i.e. garbage food, syrupy white queso and margarita flavored slushies. These places are only as good as the group you brought to get drunk and stuffed on said garbage food and margarita flavored slushies. I’m pretty sure mford was trying to start a conversation about actual mexican food.
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mimi
June 5th, 2009
4:29 pm
Taqueria Los Rayos, newly relocated to Clairmont Rd. near Buford Hwy in the old Dairy Queen site. Taqueria Los Hermanos (3 locations now).
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paul
June 5th, 2009
4:47 pm
taco veloz????????
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Obama, please beg the Saudis for lower gas prices....
June 5th, 2009
4:54 pm
TACO BELL!!!!They have the VOLCANO!!
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DonH.
June 5th, 2009
4:55 pm
Great list Meredith! Two others I LOVE…Taqueria Los Reyes near Buford Hwy/Clairmont Rd. intersection (in a previous DQ location). This “gem” used to be located at the end of the runway at PDK on Chamblee Tucker Road/Hospital Way. Delicious tacos, burritos and tortas. Steak burritos are LOADED with meat and tacos are generous served with two corn tortillas so you can make two from them.
Also love El Taco Veloz with several locations (Sandy Springs, Buford Hwy, Norcross etc.). They too load their burritos with tons of tasty steak and other filling options!
I just solved my “what’s for dinner tonight” dilemma!
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Obama, please beg the Saudis for lower gas prices....
June 5th, 2009
4:55 pm
Doughnut King baby…in snellville(ouch)
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RAMBLE ON!!!
June 5th, 2009
5:04 pm
Meridith, you have the best job in the world (food critic, how could life get any better).
Verdes is right down the street from me. The cheapest Taco they have is 3.25. Don’t you think that’s a bit pricey, and how does it compare to the others?
mimi…is that place any good?
I drive by it almost everyday.
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Meridith Ford Goldman
June 5th, 2009
5:05 pm
RK: try the pastor at San Pancho — I really like their version.
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Darin
June 5th, 2009
5:05 pm
I second Don’s recommendation of El Taco Veloz. Great tacos and I love their refried beans too.
I’ve got a place to recommend but I can’t remember the name of it. I’ve been there several times and have really enjoyed the food — it’s just north of the intersection of Clairmont Rd and Buford Highway and it was until recently a Dairy Queen. Anyone know the name?
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Darin
June 5th, 2009
5:18 pm
Dandy Donuts on Chamblee Dunwoody Rd, just NW of it’s intersection with Peachtree Industrial. It’s a tiny white cinderblock building. Their plain yeast donut is my favorite of that variety. But otherwise Sublime is my go-to place. They elevate the doughnut to an art.
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Let
June 5th, 2009
5:21 pm
Definitely Taco Veloz. Thanks for the article. I will check out some of these spots.
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Janet
June 5th, 2009
5:37 pm
It’s such a shame and I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner. Their business had been going downhill for sometime. What’s worse… the brides and clients that put a deposit or paid in full won’t be getting that back. Karma hurts.
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Thatguy
June 5th, 2009
5:57 pm
It’s OTP, but you need to hit up Taco Depot at the corner of Sugarloaf and Old Norcross. Fantastic Al Pastor and chorizo tacos.
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RAMBLE ON!!!
June 5th, 2009
6:03 pm
Hey Darin,
according to DonH, it’s Taqueria Los Reyes. You’re the 3rd person who has mentioned it. I’ll have to check it out. It looks like a dump from the street, but then again, it use to be a DQ.
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The Real Gumby
June 5th, 2009
6:04 pm
I love the barbecue fish served with aztec salsa at Le Grande Carp in East Cobb. Behind the Kroger.
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DonH.
June 5th, 2009
6:04 pm
Darin… it’s Taqueria Los Rayos at the Old Dairy Queen. See my comment above (and Mimi who mentioned it above mine) Her spelling of it was the correct one!
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SteveOh
June 5th, 2009
6:13 pm
Nuevo Laredo for sure is one of the best overall. But the breakfast at El Taco Veloz is the best deal going. Great food at a reasonable price. Close your eyes and you would think you’re in Mexico. Bottom line – lots of good authentic choices in ATL now, REAL margaritas are the challenge and I would love to see some recommendations. Not the mix/slushy kind – but a good booze combination and real limes.
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Best Tacos = Los Rayos
June 5th, 2009
6:13 pm
Gotta agree with Mimi and Don H. on the Taqueria Los Rayos – most authentic & best ones in town. Have about 15 different tacos to choose from (all around $2) and lots of great tortas as well. The chorizo taco & shredded beef are my faves there – your choice of meat on a fresh corn tortilla, simply (and authentically) topped with just white onion, fresh cilantro, and a squeeze of lime. Just like they do it in Mexico.
And as someone that lives on Dresden – exactly between Verde & Los Rayos, and frequents them both – I can vouch for the calimari (and great margaritas) at Verde, the best in town. But I’ve tried most of the tacos on Verde’s menu and none have really hit me – most are bland and sound better on the menu than actually executed. Stick with the calamari (with the great small slices of lightly coated jalepeno’s hidden throughout the basket). And the chiptole ranch dipping sauce rocks too!
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Atlanta Native
June 5th, 2009
6:19 pm
I found a great place in Norcross at the corner of Peachtree Ind. and Medlock Bridge. I do not know the name, but here is a picture: http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=Peachtree+Industrial+Blvd+%26+Medlock+Bridge+Rd,+Norcross,+GA&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=7YspSoLTEZyltge2zuy3CA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1
Go on Sat. or Sun. and get Tamales!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tacos-a-go-go
June 5th, 2009
7:17 pm
Wow…you’ve missed several. I can’t believe you forgot Bone Garden Cantina on Ellsworth Industrial!??! Great food and the best trivia (according to Reader’s Choice in “The Sunday Paper”) every Wednesday at 8:30. Perhaps you should take a visit before passing judgment on the best taqueria’s in Atlanta.
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Patrick
June 5th, 2009
8:01 pm
Anyone know if Los Reyes is still in business in Marietta? It’s somewhere near the big chicken. Not sure if it’s a chain or related to the similar named place that used to be a DQ.
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Joey
June 5th, 2009
8:15 pm
Taxco on Roswell is the best! Nuevo Laredo is awful! Not real Mexican food at all.
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PennyLane
June 5th, 2009
8:50 pm
Just returned from our first trip to Taqueria Los Rayos. After passing by the restaurant every day, we decided to give it a try. It was delicious. The tacos were outstanding, the beef cheek was super tender and the “flat meat” was good too. The torta al pastor was huge and so good, and an incredible bargain at $5. Must go!
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JimC
June 5th, 2009
9:01 pm
Taqueria Los Hermanos in Tucker. Cal-Mex, not the usual Tex-Mex. Great soft tacos, and the tilapia tacos are to die for.
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Lola
June 5th, 2009
9:51 pm
Tacos el Pastor (beer braised pork taco) at Las Margaritas on Cheshire Bridge are the best! They have an extensive taco menu…$2 on Tuesdays
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Jeremy
June 5th, 2009
10:33 pm
Taqueria Las Comadres (Thornton Rd. in Lithia Springs) serves some amazing, authentic Mexican. The Cochinitas…wow. Also, when you order guacamole, they make it to suit your tastes. I love a lot of the places others have mentioned, but if you’re interested in Oaxacan/Mexican cuisine, I cannot recommend Las Comadres highly enough (BYOB & closed Sundays).
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Charlie
June 5th, 2009
10:52 pm
Meredith- nice list-i’ve been a fan of Taqueria del Sol since they opened. Now I have other options. I don’t frequent del Sol much anymore as the underlying tension between staff & customers get’s tiresome. Even the guys working the bar/counter for lunch have a ‘tude.
I’m interested in the place you mention in Jonesboro on Mt Zion. My map software can’t find that address. When you click on the website link nothing on the page works. Have a better address or intersection.
Thanks for the great list.
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JEM
June 5th, 2009
10:57 pm
Hey Mike! Where did you go?
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WHAT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS
June 5th, 2009
11:01 pm
EL TORERO. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?
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count_schemula
June 5th, 2009
11:29 pm
Taqueria Los Rayos – if there is better, I need to know… have not been to the new location, but had been going to the original West Hospital location since the 90’s. Off th bus real Mexican. Tacos and Tortas and horchata.
I have also quit Taqueria del Sol. The crappy hours (11am to 11:30am, 1pm to 1:15pm, 6pm to 8pm), the lines, etc. I love the food, but I won’t be treated that way by a bunch of uptight taco punks.
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Roswell Ed
June 6th, 2009
6:08 am
I can’t imagine a better one than Mr Taco in Holcomb Bridge.
I also like the restaurants inside Tres Hermanos. The beef toungue tacos are out of this world.
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Justin
June 6th, 2009
8:05 am
La Pastorcita on Buford Hgwy. Great hole in the wall. Best carne asada in Atlanta hands down.
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atlstar01
June 6th, 2009
8:29 am
CAn anyone tell me where to find the best chicken chimichangas in Atlanta. I used to live in Nevada and they had the best I ever tasted! They were deep fried and just right! Please help, I have been craving forever.
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Ben
June 6th, 2009
8:32 am
I boycotted Taqueria del Sol 2 years ago and have not been back since. No restaurant is worth my time and money, especially one that exudes rude service and attitude. I can’t understand why people find it to be part of the appeal. There are plenty of other restaurants around town to go to. Hasta la vista, Taqueria!
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Mex Mary
June 6th, 2009
8:35 am
Agreed, Taqueria del Sol has no Soul. It is the deathstar of customer service.
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foodlover
June 6th, 2009
11:00 am
tijuana joe’s salsa, great food (a lot of it) but the salsa and chips are awesome.
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Joel
June 6th, 2009
11:44 am
The best tacos come from the roach coaches that drive around construction sites. They are authentic!
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Kelly
June 6th, 2009
11:47 am
Monterrey on Buford Hghwy just inside 285 is awesome. The chicken tacos are outstanding. But you have to go to this location, some of the other Monterrey locations are no where near as good. Margaritas are outstanding also.
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JimC
June 6th, 2009
1:00 pm
At Los Hermanos in Tucker, besides the great soft tacos, don’t miss the homemade tamales. Actually everything on the menu is marvelous.
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Atlanta Native
June 6th, 2009
1:06 pm
Thanks for the list. I haven’t been able to find that perfect place to eat since the closing of Rio Bravos! What a loss.
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Mark
June 6th, 2009
2:09 pm
The hairy Taco, hands down!
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Paul
June 6th, 2009
2:10 pm
The Mighty Taco in Buffalo NY
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JimC
June 6th, 2009
2:30 pm
Paul, Buffalo NY ain’t Atlanta GA!
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Fred Brown
June 7th, 2009
5:52 am
Hello Meridith, I think something’s a little off on the formatting of Table Talk. The left-hand side is cropped a little too close. This is consistent on Table Talk and not a characteristic of other blogs and websites.
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KWN
June 7th, 2009
9:41 am
I like Taco Veloz for carry out and they have awesome condiments/sauces. I would never take a date there.
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JumpStart
June 7th, 2009
10:02 am
How could you not mention Nuevo Laredo.. or No Mas.. or Uncle Julio’s? Especially Nuevo Laredo! Hello!
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KWN
June 7th, 2009
10:14 am
Pure Taqueria – I had a bad experience there. I loved the concept though. The hostess was extremely rude, service was poor. I had gone to lunch with a bunch of co-workers, most of whom were Indian. Given how our table was the only table seemingly having these problems, I felt extremely embarrassed for our country.
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KWN
June 7th, 2009
10:14 am
Oh and I’ve never been back since then.
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j
June 7th, 2009
10:38 am
BONE GARDEN CANTINA off of howell mill road by far. they have an authentic a la carte menu. everything is fantastic! i was a big fan of NEUVO LAREDO, until i tried BONE GARDEN. we bring family and friends there all the time because we can always count on fabulous food and service!
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Allen
June 7th, 2009
2:33 pm
Rojo Taqueria on Holcomb Bridge rules. Best margaritas and fish tacos in Atlanta. The house margarita is only $5.00 and they use fresh squeezed lime juice. They have over 80 different tequilas, a cool patio, unique bar, and the staff is very pleasant unlike some places. They have my family hooked.
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Paul
June 7th, 2009
2:43 pm
JimC, I know it “ain’t”, cletus. But Mighty taco beats all Taquerias and cantinas in and around Atl. Don’t you know by now that us northerners always do it better than you southern hicks?
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Teresha
June 7th, 2009
3:08 pm
I am literally in tears. Dailey’s Midnight Cake was my late night at work fix. The City Grill holds sentimental value for me and my husband. We held our wedding reception there on July 15, 2000. Kim and her staff were so gracious and worked hard to make our special day even more memorable. It was a tradition of ours to have dinner there on our anniversary. This will be the first year we won’t be able to go. *sniff*
p.s. I’ll ignore the Obama comment, because this economic mess started with the Bush administration…he just got out and left Obama holding the bag.
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Claire
June 8th, 2009
9:33 am
I love my dog, but this is just stupid…no dog wants to sit at a restaurant while his owner eats. Get a grip people, no matter how much you love them, they are still DOGS.
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GeoffDawg
June 8th, 2009
9:39 am
Couldn’t disagree with Claire more – as long as the dog is well fed and hydrated, there’s nothing wrong with having him at a restaurant provided he’s not bothering other customers. What dog would prefer to be left home alone rather than take a car ride and spend some time with the family?
The outdoor seating of the Marietta Pizza Company at the Marietta Square has traditionally attracted a pretty good dog loving contingent.
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Becky
June 8th, 2009
9:41 am
Anyplace in Oakhurst Village! Steinbeck’s Oyster House, Mojo Pizza, Universal Joint, and Matador all have great outdoor seating and are incredibly welcoming to dogs with water bowls, treats, etc. I have to agree with GeoffDawg — our dog LOVES to go out to eat — how can that NOT be better than staying at home alone?
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Hal Whiteman
June 8th, 2009
9:45 am
Nancy G’s in south Sandy Springs has a huge deck where your dogs are always welcome. She provides big bowls of water
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ThePoochProfessor
June 8th, 2009
9:45 am
I would love to know, myself! One of my goals is to have my students take their dogs to restaurants where it is allowed, so they can practice their training. I take mine to Panera a lot, especially at Loehmann’s plaza (Moe’s there is good, too). I had a list of dog-friendly places a while back, but seem to have lost it.
I agree that manners matter! Ideally, the other patrons shouldn’t even notice you have a dog with you because he’s being so good. We are quickly losing our rights as dog owners, and this is a great way for folks to keep up with Fido’s manners as well as show non-dog folks that dogs are not nuisances.
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ThePoochProfessor
June 8th, 2009
9:49 am
I think maybe Claire doesn’t like eating at places with dogs? If they are not well-behaved, I can understand, but if they are, you shouldn’t worry about it. They want to be with us…as long as it is safe, they are not too hot, they are well-behaved, and they do not bother other patrons, I think it’s a great idea.
I prefer a dog at the table next to me much more than a ill-behaved child, or someone smoking.
There are some well-meaning people who drag their dogs everywhere, and there are certainly places where this is ill-advised, but most dogs I see out are generally enjoying themselves. It’s better than being stuck in the backyard all the time, with no company.
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sd
June 8th, 2009
10:09 am
I used to take my dogs to The Brew House in little 5 a lot. Don’t know if they are still welcome there or not.
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ThrashATL
June 8th, 2009
10:13 am
There’s a place in Alpha, off Main on Milton, Corner Deli, that has a patio and they allow pets all hours/days. They provide water bowls & biscuits. I’ve been there dozens of times with my two dogs and there has never been a problem with other dogs misbehaving. It’s a great way to start the weekend, the dogs even get their own omelettes (2 eggs, no oil) and dry wheat toast.
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Jeff
June 8th, 2009
10:15 am
Quattro and Willy’s at 12th and Piedmont on Piedmont Park have very dog-friendly patios with plenty of water bowls.
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BB
June 8th, 2009
10:23 am
I agree with Claire. They are DOGS and they have no soul like human beings due. Our society is becoming obsessed with animals especially dogs. Again, get a grip and instead of taking your dog out to eat, take someone (human) who has fallen down on hard time out to these places and feed them. I do.
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Sarah
June 8th, 2009
10:26 am
Some folks just don’t get it. Claire and BB, there’s a quaint little place called McDonalds for you types. It’s full of noisey kids and unattractive people, you’ll feel right at home!
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macarolina
June 8th, 2009
10:27 am
Agreed on Oakhurst, and add on Brew Pub in Little 5 Points (they sell doggie ice cream) and Vinocity in Kirkwood. Our dog loves to come hang out with us- she is well behaved and gets lots of love from others when she goes public.
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Charlie Kane
June 8th, 2009
10:33 am
I’d rather eat with dogs than with damn kids. And, for the record, you illiterate ass, how “due” [sic] you know dogs don’t have souls? There is dogma [forgive the pun] that days they “due” [sic].
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GeoffDawg
June 8th, 2009
10:35 am
BB and Claire – if a restaurant caters to canines, it’s very simple – just don’t go there. Do you think there are a dearth of suitable eating establishments in metro Atlanta? Why in the world do you care that some people like to dine with their dogs?
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Cynthia
June 8th, 2009
10:36 am
I think it’s a great idea – how nice it would be to meet your friend who also has a dog for lunch and let the dogs socialize while you two eat and chat. I digg it!
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Becky
June 8th, 2009
10:51 am
I don’t have a dog, but wouldn’t be offended if I went to a restaurant where people had dogs..Like others say, if the dog is well behaved and isn’t slobbering all over the place, it’s no big deal..We as a society are to concerned with what other people think instead of what makes us happy..
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dogs get alpo
June 8th, 2009
10:52 am
Sorry. I refuse to cater to the ridiculous self indulgence of some pet owners, and restaurants that welcome animals will get exactly none of my money.
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Jeff
June 8th, 2009
10:55 am
Claire and BB — You two are exactly the reason dogs bite.
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Emma
June 8th, 2009
11:02 am
Spot on, Charlie Kane and Jeff!
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Elbert
June 8th, 2009
11:06 am
There is an excellent Korean restaurant called The Korean Kitchen about a few blocks down from my subdivision that encourages everyone to bring their dogs. My wife and I go there quite often. Oddly, though, many people have their dogs “run away” while dining there. The food sure is good, though!
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Miss_Lola
June 8th, 2009
11:11 am
I would LOVE to find a place to go with my extremely well behaved Aussie. She is better behaved than most small children, listens and sits/lays at my feet all the time. I’d rather bring her than leave her at home alone.
Bruster’s by us gives free “doggie sundaes.” Vanilla ice cream topped with a milk-bone biscuit..yes, FREE. My girl loves to go there!
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iurehg
June 8th, 2009
11:35 am
my dog only moves to go out to do her businessbefore eating at 6am and 6pm. she likes to rest on a cool surface at all other times.
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bs1887
June 8th, 2009
11:41 am
I always ask seated patrons if I may sit by them when I have my dog and so far no one has said no; if no one is seated on the patio, I chose the most out of the way table and have never had an issue. Taco Mac refused to seat us but Panera is always great, Atlanta Bread Company, Starbucks, Brusters Ice Cream (give a free doggie treat) and even Artuzzi’s before it moved from Roswell Road. Please be considerate of others – just as I would not take a child that could not sit still and behave to an eatery, I wouldn’t take my dog if he could not either.
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Excusez-moi
June 8th, 2009
11:46 am
It’s very common to take your dog to a restaurant in Europe. As mom of two kids and two dogs, I’d rather have well behaved dogs sitting next to me than fussy moms with their even fussier kids.
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Amy
June 8th, 2009
11:50 am
It’s also important for those traveling with their dogs that they have pet-friendly options. It’s usually not allowed to leave your pet in the hotel room unattended.
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John
June 8th, 2009
12:18 pm
I believe David Roberts stayed with Sam.
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how2fish
June 8th, 2009
12:24 pm
The Park Tavern at Piedmont Park is very dog friendly…and dogs or kids don’t bother me as long as they are well behaved…those that aren’t..kids or dogs should be left at home…
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bill
June 8th, 2009
12:52 pm
I went to Nancy G’s two weekends ago and sat outside on the patio. I had never been there before and didn’t know anything about the dog-friendly seating. A patron came in with dog that was well-behaved and quiet. The trouble started when the next patron came in with another dog and the two pets started thrashing around and yelping at each other while the two owners tried to let them “meet” each other – seemingly oblivious to the disturbance that they were causing. We left immediately and I will not be back to Nancy G’s. I like dogs just fine, but they don’t belong in restaurants any more than smokers do. There seems to be a selfish attitude here with dog owners that is similar to smokers: “if you have problem with my dog/cigarette that is your problem and you are too sensitive”. No, I don’t want to listen to your dog yelping. I don’t want them jumping on me: I don’t want to trip over their leashes; I don’t want dog hair floating into my meal, etc. Nancy G. take heed. You lost a customer.
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RBSAtlanta
June 8th, 2009
1:00 pm
I assume we’re speaking of VERY casual restos …
Meh – I’m less likely to frequent a place where dogs are allowed inside. Oddly enough, I think I would be more turned off with the lap-dog size (you know, the little yapping fuballs) than with a lab or any larger dog. I think it’s the proximity to the table that bothers me and I’ve seen far too many people eat with their dogs in their laps.
I don’t take issue at all with dogs on a patio or outside. As a matter of fact, if your dog is friendly enough he may get a nibble or two thrown his way when you’re not looking.
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RBSAtlanta
June 8th, 2009
1:04 pm
SWEET! Little Cuba just isn’t cutting it for me, sandwich-wise. (but the vaca frita is fantastic!)
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GeoffDawg
June 8th, 2009
1:09 pm
bill – this is not selfish at all on the part of dog owners. If a restaurant wants to cater to a niche clientele, then what do you care? You have no inalienable right to visit whatever restaurant you want and have the conditions be however you want them. What you do have is freedom of choice and you can easily choose to go to the place across the street.
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ThePoochProfessor
June 8th, 2009
1:14 pm
//The trouble started when the next patron came in with another dog and the two pets started thrashing around and yelping at each other while the two owners tried to let them “meet” each other – seemingly oblivious to the disturbance that they were causing.//
This is as unacceptable to me as someone allowing their child to disrupt my meal. I’m sorry this happened to you. Did you tell a manager? Or has the restaurant lost a customer not over bad food or service, but over something they had little control over at that moment? If you told them about your experience, they might make a “no dogs meeting on patio” rule or something. (I know nothing about the restaurant you cite.)
People are perfectly fine to eschew establishments that do not make them feel welcome (you’ll never see me at Chuck E. Cheese
, or Joel). I know there are non-dog folks out there, and if they are paying, they have a right to eat unbothered by your dog, or even the presence of your dog.
On a restaurant patio is no place for dogs (or kids) to play and be obnoxious. Dogs at eateries should lie quietly at the owners’ feet, and, like I said before, should be “invisible” so as not to bother other patrons. No one should haul their obnoxious dog with them just because they can. Civility, empathy, and manners are things that have clearly gone the way of the Dodo in some places.
Dogs need manners just like kids and adults do. What’s so hard about that?
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Angela Naphin
June 8th, 2009
2:07 pm
Okay, so we won’t be going here….
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Ande
June 8th, 2009
3:01 pm
I loved Cuerno and was saddened to see it go. I have to disagree with the first 2 posters, though, I thought the food was exquisite and very reminiscent of our travels to Spain. I hope he opens again somewhere with better parking sometime. I miss the squid ink paella!
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Tom
June 8th, 2009
3:33 pm
Dogs become a huge part of our lives, it is a great to take them places with us. They love to go places too. My dog loves to be around people and other pets. I think this is a great idea!
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Susan
June 8th, 2009
10:58 pm
Any Chinese restaurant where variety of dishes available under “101 Ways to Wok your Dog” on menu!
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ihorizon
June 8th, 2009
11:01 pm
So where next Fifo?..ok joking aside… My retriever and I ususally go through drive-throughs and eat in the parking lot. When the cashiers see the doggie, he sometimes gets a doggie treat!!!
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Midtown chick
June 9th, 2009
12:20 am
So where do I take my cat for a Cheezburger??
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Ever been to France ?
June 9th, 2009
12:36 am
In France pets are considered part of your family and are accepted most anywhere not only restaurants. At the cafe, bakery, post office you will see dogs. The only thing I judge a person by is how my dog reacts to them, my pooches are excellent judges of character. Any man who wants to get to know me, has to pass the test with my dogs first.
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Joy
June 9th, 2009
6:34 am
My active terrier would never sit through a full, civilzed meal among strangers and waitrons, but she DOES love a good cold treat on a hot day! So we’ll go to Sheridan’s (Lawrenceville Hwy, Tucker) where I can get a smoothie or frozen custard and listen to oldies, and Kasha gets a “puppy cone” just for her! The kids love watching the dog and vice versa!
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Deb
June 9th, 2009
7:24 am
I don’t think the dogs are the problem here. I think it’s just the terminology. If the question were posed as ‘what restaurants welcome dogs on their patios’, rather than ‘where do you take your dog out to dinner’ – I think those against would have responded differently.
In Ireland everyone brings their dogs along where ever they go. So much so, that when we are there we buy a box of dog biscuits to carry with us to hand out treats.
But come on folks, every one is entitled to their opinion. If someone is opposed, don’t get insulting.
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AbbyLover
June 9th, 2009
7:59 am
Claire – you are SO wrong. My dog would rather be out and about with me than sitting inside. Seeing as how she is only 4.5 pounds she does not have the ability to be left outside alone.
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CATS?????
June 9th, 2009
8:01 am
Cats are evil………..
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Linda Lee
June 9th, 2009
8:15 am
We stopped by Bruster’s on Due West Road (Marietta) after taking our dogs to the Acworth Dog Park on Pitner Road. Our dogs were offered *Doggie Sundaes* (frozen vanilla ice cream or yogurt with a Milk Bone *cookie*) tucked into each one. It was a fun, unexpected treat for our pooches while we ate our own frozen treats at the outdoor, shaded seating area. I don’t know if all Bruster’s locations do this, but it was a nice surprise. Thumbs up to all dog-loving and accomodating restraunteers!
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Still Say they Are
June 9th, 2009
8:17 am
Cats are still evil!!!!!!
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leah
June 9th, 2009
8:34 am
Meehan’s in the Vinings is very dog-friendly. Also, the Taco Mac in the Highlands always loves to serve my pup water from a beer bucket. At George’s and Moe’s and Joe’s, you can keep your dog outside of the patio fence and they’ll provide a water bowl for you. Same goes for the Highlander. I have heard that the Treehouse in Peachtree Hills is a haven for pets, also.
There is also a place called Park Grounds that apparently has a little dog area for patrons.
As far as dogs not wanting to sit with their owners while they eat…I’m pretty sure mine would rather be out with me and socializing with other people and pets than at home by herself. If I choose between dealing with human kids running amok, or dogs laying by someone’s feet, I’ll pick the latter every time.
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CP
June 9th, 2009
8:38 am
My 2 dogs are not good candidates for going to a restaurant. However, dogs should be welcome if they are well-behaved. The same can be said of children – they should only be in restaurants if they can behave.
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cjamesatl
June 9th, 2009
8:40 am
Quit doggin’ on Claire, y’all. I have three pooches of my own, and I have to agree. Besides, no one takes their dog to a restaurant for the sake of the dog. Let’s face it, they take their dog to the restaurant in the hopes of chatting up other people: basically a singles scene. I can’t believe this has been discussed so much here, and especially why I’m compelled to even respond myself. All best to dog-friendly restaurants, but I won’t be toting my 4-footed furry friends around like chattle for show in this hot weather. That’s just inhumane.
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Jackie
June 9th, 2009
8:41 am
I don’t care if a dog is in a restaurant. I just won’t eat at that restaurant . All dogs have an odor that I don’t want to smell while Im eating.
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Cliff
June 9th, 2009
8:47 am
There is a great place called Park Grounds in Reynoldstown. It’s a coffee shop with coffee, sandwiches etc. and a small dog park attached to it. They also sell locally made dog treats. I take my pup every weekend. It’s great! Check it out.
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Turd Ferguson
June 9th, 2009
8:52 am
Cuban Steak Sandwich and a frosty Moosehead…YEEEAAAA!!!!
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Amy
June 9th, 2009
8:54 am
I’ve seen a lot of dogs on the patio at Twains in Decatur. There are usually a few water bowls scattered around for people to use.
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CE
June 9th, 2009
8:59 am
I feel sorry for Claire’s dog
cj-I’m sorry you are STILL single. Bitter-party of 1
Jackie – it’s you honey, not the dog:-)
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dogzrule
June 9th, 2009
8:59 am
I’m sorry, but my 5-year-old yellow lab is better behaved than most children I know, yet children are allowed in restaurants while my “son” is not. I would love to take him out with us occasionally so I think it’s a wonderful idea that some restaurants have opened their doggie doors to my entire family!
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June 9th, 2009
9:07 am
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Vikki
June 9th, 2009
9:08 am
When I heard they had moved to Canton I was very sad. This is great news! Keep us posted on their opening.
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Rex
June 9th, 2009
9:08 am
Have a rescue puppy who loves to go to Paddy’s pub at Chateau Elan. They are always considerate and bring water out for the dogs. Definitely would rather have dogs around that a bunch of ill mannered rug rats.
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KTCandler
June 9th, 2009
9:09 am
I hope folks catch the well behaved part. I am sure the manish woman that lives down the block from me will take her overly vocal mini collie and semi retarded lab mix. That menace takes those dogs everywhere and trust me, the ARE NOT Well behaved. Neither is she for that matter.
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Liz Buddenhagen
June 9th, 2009
12:20 pm
Wow. This is not a hot spot! These are what I have identified so far as restaurants willing to work with the no salt with minimal fuss: Longhorn’s and Carrabbas (as far as chains go). In Athens, there is Last Resort, The Savannah Room at UGA, Harry Bissetts (limited), and Five and Ten. If anybody can help me out and add on for Atlanta locations – that would be great. BTW a Carrabbas wait person told me they are prepared to work with any kind of diet a customer is on, including gluten free.
So far in Atlanta, I have Houston’s. I am working on Little Bankok but it is a work in progress.
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Kar
June 9th, 2009
2:03 pm
A soft spot for La Fonda Paisa in the Fiesta Plaza. Despite the almost nonstop replaying of “The Punisher” and bad tejano videos, dependable barbacoa and carne asada tacos.
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Katherine Strate
June 9th, 2009
2:24 pm
Um, that sounds amazing. What a fabulous idea! I’m thirsty now. Good find, Meridith!
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Bill Foster
June 9th, 2009
3:31 pm
Well that is really a shame, as the food was excellent, the decor fun and the service just fine. Atlanta needs authentic cuisines from other parts of the world and Cuerno certainly filled that requirement wrt Spanish food.
I do agree that the parking was a little strange.
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reservoirDAWG
June 9th, 2009
4:31 pm
How about lemonade ice cubes in sweet tea?
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Lola's Dad
June 9th, 2009
5:36 pm
Have to agree with Dogzrule. People who complain are likely to also be the ones who let their children run wild around my table and pretend they don’t see or hear anything wrong with it.
I was in Europe last year and dogs are allowed in restaurants, subways, etc. Mind you, has to be well behaved, but that is the owner’s responsibility. (That goes for kids too)
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Donna
June 9th, 2009
5:52 pm
I can’t wait to see this. We need to be a thin and healthy nation. This might help us get started.
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JimC
June 9th, 2009
7:49 pm
Paul, after living in ATL for 63 years, you’d think I would have learned that Yankees are smarter than us hicks down here.
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Poor Teresha
June 10th, 2009
9:05 am
The economic mess started with Clinton and Dodd. 9/11 also Clinton, let Bin Laden go free.
You can blame them for Dailey’s and City Grill closing.
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Turd Ferguson
June 10th, 2009
10:42 am
Muchadoo-doo about nothing. All Hogwash!!
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Hmmm
June 10th, 2009
12:12 pm
Not gonna lie, liquid ice looks reminds me of the crap I took in my toilet last night. Not pretty. I did try a whynatte the other day and had one of the best nights of my life.
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Cristina
June 10th, 2009
1:11 pm
If you’re part of the AAllatoona Lake crowd, The restaurant at Victoria Landing, Props & Hops, is dog friendly, and they have water bowls. They are under a new owner this year, so as of last week, there is no alcohol, but they said soon. I went there last year and it was horrible, but the new owners have really put some good food on there
It was nice to take the dog out on the lake and not have to leave her on the boat to go eat.
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pity the haters
June 10th, 2009
1:13 pm
I believe the original purpose of this article was to request that DOG FRIENDLY people submit DOG FRIENDLY places they know. Why it turned into a forum on dog smell/behavior/acceptibility, I can only chalk up to the poor cretins (I would call them souls but I don’t think they have any) who insist on having an opinion on something they either don’t understand or know nothing about. If you hate dogs, I’m sad for you, but quit choking this comment page with your inane, unsolicited and unappreciated rhetoric; you are only proving your lack of qualification to be included here. Leave this page for those who love dogs and take your pathetic need to force your opinion on everyone somewhere else.
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Stephanie
June 10th, 2009
1:45 pm
This place sucked at the end. Surly arrogant service, mediocre meals, parking issues and hefty price tags. I lived in Spain for a year, and the food was an attempt at authenticity……an attempt. This restaurant closed because each successive visit got worse. Who, I ask, was minding the store? Que lastima.
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reservoirDAWG
June 10th, 2009
2:17 pm
PB&J with cheetos on the sandwich.
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