In one effort to get the economy moving forward, the President is hoping to mimic job-creating transport initiatives of the past – like the Eisenhower interstate highway system– by building a national “high-speed” rail infrastructure. He cites the success of superfast trains in countries like France and Japan as incentive to support an initial investment of $8 billion out of his massive economic stimulus package.
Atlanta would be a stop along two of ten proposed high-speed routes – the Southeast Corridor and the Gulf Coast Corridor. The first route would begin in Washington, DC, then zigzag through Richmond, Raleigh, Charlotte, Atlanta, Macon, Columbia and Savannah, before ending in Jacksonville. The second route would link Atlanta to Houston via Birmingham, Mobile and New Orleans.
The U.S. Federal Railroad Administration defines “high-speed” rail as trains averaging faster than 90 miles per hour. The European high-speed standard is at least 125 miles per hour, and Japanese bullet trains average speeds of 180 mph. Currently, Amtrak’s only high-speed route – the Acela Express – averages about 86 miles per hour through the northeast corridor, while service on typical Amtrak routes average closer to 50 miles per hour.
Setting aside budgetary realities and political skepticism, I wonder how many travelers would be on board for “high-speed” rail service like that proposed by President Obama.
I personally love the nostalgia of trains and would occasionally take the sleeper from Washington to Atlanta when we lived in DC. We would leave DC around 7 p.m. and end up in Atlanta around 9 a.m., making stops in towns throughout the night. It took less time to drive that distance, but we could relax, eat a nice meal in the dining car, watch the scenery and sleep on the train. It was a nice trade-off when we had the extra time and money. (The sleeper car was pretty pricey, as I recall.) I have also traveled from DC to New York on the more-crowded commuter route, and always wanted to complete Amtrak’s Crescent route by taking a day trip from Atlanta to New Orleans.
As much as I enjoy traveling by rail – here and in Europe – I’m trying to figure out if I would realistically and consistently choose a 90 mph train trip over car or planes if “high-speed” rail becomes an option over here. Right now, I’m thinking the answer would be no – at least on a routine basis. I’m sure I would check out the new system, and I might choose rails over roads if I knew I was traveling over a holiday or another particularly traffic-prone time. But 90 mph with stops and starts along the way just doesn’t seem much faster than the 70 mph I average on the nation’s highways. Even building in time to get through airport security and baggage claim, it can’t compare to the 500 miles per hour I can cover on a commercial jetliner.
It might be nice to have another option, which would in turn reduce some air and road traffic for everyone. But the price would have to be competitive and the train would have to be seriously fast if I were to consider using high-speed rail as a regular mode of travel.
What about you? Are you excited about the prospect of a faster way to travel by rail? Have you ever tried the European or Japanese high-speed rail systems? Do you think a similar network of passenger routes could make traveling easier for Americans?
How often have you traveled Amtrak in the past?
How much time would you have to save over traditional rail travel to give high-speed a try? Would the ancillary benefits of high-speed rail travel — like full meal services or perceived environmental advantages – factor into your decision to choose the train?
26 comments Add your comment
Bill
April 22nd, 2009
8:45 am
I take Amtrak every chance I get. I would be psyched to have additional trains. I have been on Amtrak for many vacations and visits.
Arthur
April 22nd, 2009
9:01 am
Rail travel is the most civilized form of travel available. It is a crying shame that this country moved away from this mode. Everyone in the world and this country particularly is in such a hurry. We are all rushing toward our deaths anyway. We might as well slow down and enjoy the ride, the scenery and the civility.
Jim p
April 22nd, 2009
9:15 am
It is not worth the 5 billion “or more” that is budgeted for the task. High speed trains work in Europe and Japan because the populations are much more consolidated and urbanized than in the US. The train system in the US hasn’t turned a profit in decades, I see no justification for the taxpayers supporting failing industries. Obama says he will make some hard choices and maybe find a way to cut 100 million from his 2010 budget (1/36,000th). When the deficit increase is 1.2 trillion dollars in a single year, we need a lot more cutting than that. I have a good start, how about you cut the 5+ billion from the train idea, then add the 6 billion for the “volunteer” program. Wow I just cut 1% of the budget, I must be a magician!
Arthur
April 22nd, 2009
10:24 am
What makes you think the train system must turn a profit??? If the roadways and airports weren’t all paid for by the governement, those forms of travel wouldn’t be profitable either.
Scott C
April 22nd, 2009
11:55 am
I’m pretty sure the interstate highway system hasn’t turned a profit in decades. Come to think of it, I don’t think we turn a profit from airport expansion. Should we not invest in those either? Although it would be nuts to build a HSR line clear across the country, there are regions of the US with similar density and distance between cities (this article mentions two of them). A great example is Spain, a country with a great HSR system, which is nearly identical to California in terms of density and area. Not surprisingly, California is planning to connect LA with SF and the voters just approved it.
Lissa
April 22nd, 2009
12:05 pm
As someone with a disability and cannot drive, I would LOVE to have the rail option for travel!
Cynthia
April 22nd, 2009
12:24 pm
I really hope this happens. I love traveling by plane. I don’t travel by amtrak because the service is both slow and overpriced. High speed trains however are a whole other story. I regularly travel from Atlanta to NY, a 2-hour flight that usually takes about 6 hours (door-to-door) without any delays.
If I had the option to travel by high speed train, I would choose it every time.
Rafael
April 22nd, 2009
12:54 pm
Per H.R. 2095 [110th] and the Joint Explanatory Statement – Division A (p82 in PDF) for H.R. 1 [111th] a.k.a. the stimulus bill, the threshold for “high speed rail” has been raised from 90mph to 110mph, i.e. what is known as regular speed for intercity trains elsewhere in the developed world. Admittedly, not a huge jump but it’s still early days. California’s true bullet train system will reach top speeds of 220mph on an all-new, dedicated network of 800 miles of dual track – with a price tag to match.
Based on the experience of other railways, *average* train speeds need to be on the order of 1.5-2x car travel at the speed limit in order to attract sufficient ridership to turn an operating profit. In that context, it’s actually remarkable that Amtrak’s Acela Express manages to do so even though its average speed is just 80mph or so, especially north of NYC. For planning purposes, the focus needs to be on door-to-door travel time. Avoiding wait states, delays and slow sections is more important – and harder – than reaching top speed somewhere along the line.
On the legacy narrow-gauge network in Hokkaido, Japan Railways use extremely lightweight active tilt trains and up-to-date databases of track geometry to *anticipate* where they can afford to accelerate and where they need to slow down. This combination allows them to achieve respectable line haul times in spite of mandated top speeds of just 130km/h (80mph). In the US, such lightweight rolling stock is not allowed to share track with heavy freight trains.
MB
April 22nd, 2009
6:42 pm
I’d love it, but the price would have to be far less than what Amtrak offers even now on its regular trains. For me to consider it worthwhile, I need to be able to travel by train for less than I can travel by air. That’s just not the case right now unless it’s a VERY short trip.
Chris
April 22nd, 2009
7:10 pm
I love the idea. Train travel simply makes sense (economically [with the price of gas], ecologically [with ozone deterioration]). I hope the intermediate stop between Atlanta and Columbia is Augusta. The rapid trains would avoid the traffic jams in downtown Augusta I remember as a child. Additionally, it would bring back a bit of history….trains coming from Augusta stopped in a little town called Terminus..then Marthasville…now Atlanta.