A forum was held in Lawrenceville Tuesday night to talk about Gwinnett’s implementation of a federal program aimed at illegal immigrants. The program, called 2879g) allows state and local enforcement to investigate, detail and arrest illegal immigrants on civil and criminal grounds.
Naturally, some support it; some are against it.
But one quote in AJC reporter Pat Fox’s story, which appeared today, hit home: “These are honest people,” said Richard Munoz of Norcross. “They are hardworking people.”
Unfortunately, they are also in the country illegally, a detail that can’t be overlooked, don’t you think?
106 comments Add your comment
Eric
March 25th, 2009
7:49 am
The Pilgrims were illegal when they arrived, yet we have no problem celebrating Thanksgiving. Why not implement a program that allows “hard working” immigrants who abide by our laws to become citizens in easier fashion, rather than the more complex effort and cost at deporting these good people?
Common Sense (Not so common!)
March 25th, 2009
8:29 am
Badie’s posts seem to be getting shorter and shorter…wonder why?
Gail
March 25th, 2009
9:40 am
When my husband’s grandparents came to America in the 1910s they had to have sponsors living here who said they would take care of them. This meant they would not be a drain on society. I guess those relatives also helped them figure out how to become legal citizens. Whatever happened to this sponsorship program? Eric, what do you mean by an “easier fashion?” Is speaking English one of the requirements? That may be many of the illegals biggest obstacle. What is the citizenship procedure? I know people who have become citizens in the past 10 years and didn’t think it was that difficult. But then they came here with a Visa or whatever you have to have.
delois
March 25th, 2009
9:52 am
I know I sound like a broken record on this one but my subdivision has had several major drug busts in it and the largest one involved two houses with 19 illegals living in them. Do any of you read or watch the news? Gwinnett is one of the major hubs in the U.S. for the Mexican drug cartels. We need to beef up our programs for God’s sake. I’m sorry that there are hardworking illegals here that feel like they are being picked on but until we get this county’s drug problems cleaned up, I am all for more stringent rules.
JSC
March 25th, 2009
10:15 am
Eric – way to deflect the true problem. There were no immigration laws when the Europeans came to America. I am sick and tired of that straw man argument (look it up). It is NOW illegal to sneak into this country and live here without going through the proper channels. The people who do so know it, and they don’t care. Come back when you can argue the true problem rationally, Eric.
LT5000
March 25th, 2009
10:32 am
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NORCROSS GA 30093
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Charges: CHILD MOLESTATION/AGG CHILD MOLES
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JESUS BENITEZ-MENDOZA
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Charges: CHILD MOLESTATION/AGG CHILD MOLES
Yep, Just some hardworking honest people. I hope these honest hardworking people don’t move in next door.
Now Obama has sent the Janet Napolatino after the program so his Aunty can stay in America illegally.
**Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has already ordered a review of the program. A top official at the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency is set to testify at a Congressional hearing today.**
**Known as 287(g), a reference to the section of a 1996 law authorizing it, the program has been promoted by immigration officials as an important tool in deporting serious criminals. It has also enjoyed the strong support of some local law enforcement agencies, including here in Maricopa County, where the sheriff operates the largest program, with 160 trained deputies.**
Just more Hope and Change. Strictly amateur hour in the White House.
LT5000
Paul
March 25th, 2009
11:37 am
The great Gil Favor (from the old TV series Rawhide) put it best: Head em up, move em out! There are already more than enough nice, hard working criminals with excuses crudding up our neighborhoods. Yes, it’s terrible to split up families – package deal, send them ALL back.
James McCoy
March 25th, 2009
11:50 am
I get so sick of this one sided argument on illegals in this country,as long as the people being talked about are people of color we seem to forget about the illegal Europeans from places like Ireland,who out number legal citizens in some neighborhoods of Boston,Mass.
Bob G
March 25th, 2009
11:50 am
Eric, this was a stupid comment: “The Pilgrims were illegal when they arrived, yet we have no problem celebrating Thanksgiving.”
There was no immigration law for the Pilgrims to violate. Today, there is; and the law exists for good reason.
The debate over 287(g) and local action on illegal immigration ended for me when the federal government announced that Gwinnett had become the southeastern distribution center for Mexican drug cartels.
The County Commission and law enforcement authorities cannot do enough to address this problem; the emotion-driven illegal alien apologists be damned!
delois
March 25th, 2009
12:00 pm
James McCoy – I ran a google search on the Irish drug cartels and how they were causing crime in Boston and guess what? The only links were to stories in Irish papers/websites about the Mexican drug cartels.
DawgBite
March 25th, 2009
12:09 pm
LT500 is always more than willing to interrupt his Klan activities to bash a better class of people.
DawgBite
March 25th, 2009
12:15 pm
Rednecks,nativists, and ethnocentrist, be damned Bob G. I’ll take the illegals any day. These local bubbas aren’t doing a damn thing to combat any cartel with workplace roundups and other such harrassment of these immigrants. Sooner or later Gwinnett, Cobb, and some of these other bubbavilles will get sued into oblivion after their brigade of Barney Fifes profile and harrass the wrong LEGAL immigrant just because of their skin tone or accent.
DawgBite
March 25th, 2009
12:22 pm
LT5000 you forgot to mention that the majority of the type crimes you mentioned above is committed by dirty old WHITE guys. Lame argument moron.
HavingMySay
March 25th, 2009
12:46 pm
For every illegal in this country committing a crime, there are natual born citizens committing the exact types of crimes. As a citizen, I don’t like the idea of kicking people out once they have arrived. I am a proponent of keeping the borders tightly gaurded, which we fell to do every day.
If we did a better job, we wouldn’t have the problem we are facing today. We should also create a better system for people who want to enter the country legally. In the past, we have not allowed certain groups access to enter this country legally. It’s usually people with money or who have friends and family in high places, who get the first opportunity to enter this country. That’s not entirely fair. Also, students come from all over the world, but not everyone has had the education to become a college student in this country.
In my opinions, the indians should have maintained better border patrol. Some people seem to forget about our migration into the new world and it wasn’t by invitation.
Bruce Wilcox
March 25th, 2009
12:51 pm
Eric you see the Pilgrims were white Europeans which gave them full rights to invade other lands and murder the native people, the United States carries on that tradition.
As far as making it easier, people here have short memories, just last year the bush/McCain/Kennedy bill would have done that, plus it would tax illegals putting a lot more change in the pot. But no, it was defeated, guess it’s better to keep it like it is.
Make Pot legal, there goes many of your drug cartels right there.
What’s really funny, we have built a stadium in a year, yet we cannot figure out the 287g program?
Steve
March 25th, 2009
1:05 pm
Ya, cause the drug cartels mostly deal in pot. I have no problems with illegals. I do have problems with crime. So far since living here, all the crimes that have happened to me have been from blacks. I’m not trying to be racist, I’m just saying what has happened to me.
Laura
March 25th, 2009
1:20 pm
I am tired of 8 cars in my neighbor’s driveway. I am tired of getting stared down when I walk my dog. I know when I go to sell my house, no one will want to buy into this neighborhood. Living in Gwinnett has become very very sad.
Cindy
March 25th, 2009
1:22 pm
Everyone who wishes illegals would be granted amnesty or provided some sweet little convenient path to citizenship…since they’re here anyway…should not only miss them when they’re deported, but perhaps go along with them. I’m sure their native-country will welcome you with open arms, don’t-cha think? Yeah right.
To argue the point of what “was” (used to be) is counterproductive and a substitute for the fact that you have nothing of merit to contribute to the subject matter at hand. Your compassion and unwillingness to hurt illegal immigrants feelings has taken over. Look at the economy now. Open your eyes. When it truly affects you, you’ll sing a different tune.
As far as saying for every illegal who commits a crime, there’s a natural born citizen doing the same thing…i’m not sure there’s a true correlation there. The old saying “What’s good for goose is good for the gander comes to mind.” One rule doesn’t always fit. Sometimes it’s because the one’s we’re trying to enforce the rules on think they’re above them.
It’s a problem. If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.
P.S. Race baiting isn’t a valid discussion point either. Using insults adds nothing to the character of your comments…if anything, it actually takes something away from the merit of your content.
LT5000
March 25th, 2009
1:33 pm
Cindy,
I concur. Just because a citizen does it doesn’t mean it’s OK for an illegal to do it.
We have enough criminals in this country. We don’t need to import anymore.
For Dawgbite:
**Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute in Atlanta analyzed 1,500 cases from January 1999 through April 2006 that included serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants. **
**She found that while the offenders were located in 36 states, most were in states with the highest numbers of illegal immigrants. California had the most offenders, followed by Texas, Arizona, New Jersey, New York and Florida. **
**Schurman-Kauflin concluded that, based on a figure of 12 million illegal immigrants and the fact that more of this population is male than average, sex offenders among illegals make up a higher percentage than offenders in the general population. **
LT5000 Always with the Facts
LT5000
24AheadDotCom
March 25th, 2009
1:55 pm
On the one hand, the quote means nothing because most people on Earth are nice, hard-working people. OTOH, support for illegal activity in a major segment in most Hispanic communities is a major problem. We can’t allow one group to think that our laws don’t apply to them.
Cindy
March 25th, 2009
2:12 pm
By the time the feds finish with Gwinnett County, the guidelines will probably be so watered down that it’s not even effective to go forward with the program. Gwinnett has ALOT of illegals…and THAT folks, is expensive to rectify. Expensive during a time when there’s no money to put towards something like 287g. Probably will be swept under a rug somewhere until Obama can either implement an amnesty program or until it’s no longer a viable option for Sheriff Conway to even continue to pursue for us. He’s pretty much the only county official who’s working toward the goal. The others don’t even care enough to enforce measures already in place, and actively look for loop-holes, to ensure they maintain all revenue flow possible.
There’s always a bigger picture.
JG
March 25th, 2009
2:49 pm
Immigrants are responsible for a far lower percentage of crime than any other demographic in this country. Crimes against children are committed at a much higher rate by caucasians than any other group and that is a verifiable fact. Your facts are nothing but Red Herrings LT5000.
DawgBite
March 25th, 2009
2:54 pm
Bull Connor must hold a place of honor in your home Cindy. Yeah, old Bull and Sheriff Conway certainly have reservations in the Buford T. Justice Hall of Fame.
Cindy
March 25th, 2009
3:12 pm
Illegal immigration doesn’t hold a place near nor dear in my heart, so if that, to you, translates into something else, that’s in your mind. However, it doesn’t make it a fact. Saying stuff like that, unfortunately doesn’t forward your agenda either. Basically, you’re deflecting from the topic by making a sharp turn and trying to steer the conversation into race baiting. It’s not about race. It’s about breaking the law.
I made valid, supported, well-thought out points. You countered them by bringing up Southern Racism. That particular matter has no seat at this table no matter how accusatory anyone tries to present it as fact. To mention Bull Connor and Sheriff Conway in the same context speaks volumes of how loudly you’ll speak to detract readers from noticing you’re not presenting anything of value. Like-minded people will now follow suit. Others who can think for themselves will see right through the ploy.
Mark
March 25th, 2009
3:15 pm
LT – Always the outspoken candy azz who was called out by bruce, then ran like a school girl.
Cindy
March 25th, 2009
3:30 pm
Not to detract from 287g…but where’d that saying come from anyway? You might be surprised just how bad azz school girls can be. And then they grow up to be women. I’m just saying.
LT5000
March 25th, 2009
4:00 pm
JG you moron.
Immigrants isn’t a demographic.
**On June 30, 2006, an estimated 4.8% of black men were in prison or jail, compared to 1.9% of Hispanic men and 0.7% of white men.
For the 12 months ending June 30, 2006, State systems reported a larger increase than the Federal system in the number of inmates housed in private prisons. **
**Lifetime chances of a person going to prison are higher for
– men (11.3%) than for women (1.8%)
– blacks (18.6%) and Hispanics (10%) than for whites (3.4%)**
JG and Dawgbite. Those darn facts get in the way of your storytelling.
Feel free to post data that proves me wrong. Otherwise you are just fools.
LT5000
LT5000
March 25th, 2009
4:01 pm
Mark,
Huh? Teabagging at Inserection has affected your memory.
LT5000
Michael H. Smith
March 25th, 2009
4:30 pm
Unfortunately, they are also in the country illegally, a detail that can’t be overlooked, don’t you think?
No that detail can’t be overlooked, honest people don’t break the law, dishonest people do and none of the phony excuses made by regurgitating past history or playing on a skin color or judging how hard they do or do not work makes one bit of difference.
This is 2009 and America is a nation of laws, fortunately.
Illegal aliens can leave by their own choice or they can be deported by our laws but they cannot be given amnesty in any form and they cannot be allowed to remain in this country. They can go back home, immigrate legally the right way, for the right purpose and become English speaking Americans like all the rest who have immigrated legally and played by all the rules and naturalize into U.S. Citizenship.
HavingMySay
March 25th, 2009
4:58 pm
Cindy, It’s very UnAmerican of you to tell others who are citizen of this country to LEAVE, just because you don’t agree with their opinion. I would like to offer you the same option.
Furthermore, I find your statement below hilarious.
***To argue the point of what “was” (used to be) is counterproductive and a substitute for the fact that you have nothing of merit to contribute to the subject matter at hand. Your compassion and unwillingness to hurt illegal immigrants feelings has taken over. Look at the economy now. Open your eyes. When it truly affects you, you’ll sing a different tune. *****
FYI.. …
Cindy,
Illegal’s do not have anything to do with why our economy is in such despair. Also, you obviously don’t have anything to contribute, because you can’t SEE past your hate of other people who do not look like you do. The immigration law would probably have been a great Supreme Court case, but it was probably make law during a time when the white elite in this country, had more influence than they should have been allowed to maintain. If I were the children of illegal immigrants, I would challenge all deportation of my parents at the Supreme Court level.
LT5000 –
The stats you use only point to the disparity in the legal system. There are many instances when whites should be incarcerated for the same crimes that blacks and Hispanics are speedily placed into our prison system. The other reasons would be non-minorities ability to afford better defense attorneys, because they usually have higher incomes or parents with higher incomes. They also get a “get out of jail free card” because of Judges and jurors who look like they do and sympathize with them. Then there are instances when the crime is not documented, because they want to keep the crime stats down in a particular area, due to income influence.
zeezil
March 25th, 2009
5:07 pm
10 Things You Need to Know about 287(g): A Response to the ACLU/UNC Study
Dr. Jameson Taylor | March 24, 2009
In mid-February 2009, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of North Carolina and the Immigration and Human Rights Policy Clinic of UNC-Chapel Hill issued a report declaring that the 287(g) program should be eliminated because it is “too problematic, too costly, and too difficult to implement.” The 287(g) program is a federal-local partnership that trains local law enforcement to enforce immigration law. Seven North Carolina counties, along with the city of Durham, currently participate in 287(g).
Even as the ACLU asserts that 287(g) is an “ineffective means of immigration enforcement,” the group complains that the initiative is “a powerful immigration enforcement program” being “used indiscriminately to find, arrest, detain, and remove immigrants.” As the ACLU would have it, 287(g) is not actually intended to help local law enforcement officers enforce immigration law, as such. Rather, they contend that 287(g) should be limited to deporting illegal aliens convicted of a felony. Based on this presupposition, the ACLU claims that North Carolina’s local law enforcement officers are misusing 287(g) to arrest misdemeanor offenders, and in so doing, are engaging in racial profiling against Hispanics. These accusations are addressed below:
Claim #1: “The 287(g) program was originally intended to target and remove undocumented immigrants convicted of ‘violent crimes, human smuggling, gang/organized crime activity, sexual-related offenses, narcotics smuggling and money laundering.’”
The Truth: The statutory language (see the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, § 133) authorizing 287(g) in no way restricts the program’s applicability to “serious” criminals or felons, but is specifically intended to encourage local law enforcement to help enforce immigration law. The quote used above is taken from an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) fact sheet stating that 287(g) provides local law enforcement with the “necessary resources and latitude to pursue investigations” related to the above crimes. The document does not indicate that 287(g) enforcement is limited only to “serious” crimes. As confirmed by a January 2009 report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO), “agencies participating in the 287(g) program are not prohibited from seeking the assistance of ICE for aliens arrested for minor offenses” – albeit the report cautions that focusing on minor offenses could place a strain on ICE resources. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, however, is already looking at alternative detention methods that could be used to accommodate “minor” offenders.
Claim #2: The majority of 287(g) arrests are for misdemeanors
The Truth: It is true that the majority of 287(g) arrests are for misdemeanors. This fact indicates that 287(g) offenders are being treated no differently than any other group because most arrests are for misdemeanors. If anything, 287(g) offenders are less – not more – likely to be arrested merely for a misdemeanor. Alamance County’s 287(g) program, for instance, resulted in an 80 percent misdemeanor arrest rate in 2007. Yet, statewide, 84 percent of total convictions for the 2006-07 fiscal year were for misdemeanors.
Moreover, it is well established that misdemeanor offenders are more likely than non-offenders to commit more serious crimes in the future. A 15-year study by the U.S. Department of Justice likewise found that so-called less serious offenders (property offenses, drug offenses and public order offenses) actually had higher recidivism rates than offenders convicted of more serious crimes like rape, assault or robbery. Consider also that four of the 9/11 terrorist hijackers — Mohammed Atta, Nawaf al Hazmi, Hani Hanjour and Ziad Jarrah – were pulled over for routine traffic stops in the six months prior to 9/11. In all four instances, local law enforcement could have arrested the terrorists for immigration violations. If those arrests had taken place, the loss of 2,996 American lives might have been prevented.
Claim #3: “287(g) encourages, or at the very least tolerates, racial profiling and baseless stereotyping.”
The Truth: This accusation can be understood in two ways: either there is something about the 287(g) program in itself that encourages racial profiling or the program is being misused in a manner that encourages racial profiling. The first accusation is entirely without merit. As even the ACLU acknowledges, under North Carolina’s “detention-model” 287(g) programs, “the general rule applies regarding the prohibition against law enforcement stopping, detaining, or seizing individuals based on racial characteristics.” While the second charge might have merit, it remains unproven.
Claim #4: “Anecdotal evidence and other data suggest that § 287(g)-deputized law enforcement officers in some North Carolina counties are violating legal standards and engaging in racial profiling by stopping motorists in the community who appear to be Hispanic/Latino.”
The Truth: Anecdotal evidence is insufficient to prove that North Carolina’s law enforcement officers are abusing the 287(g) program. This is especially the case insofar as this evidence is taken from persons who, by and large, are already violating immigration law. It is unclear what “other data” the ACLU possesses that would prove 287(g) officers in North Carolina are engaging in racial profiling. It seems the ACLU’s claims here are based on the following three documents: a survey on Tennessee traffic stops written by a pro-immigration group based in Nashville; a law review article acknowledging “there have been no official racial profiling complaints filed against [287(g)] officers”; and an apparently unpublished review of traffic stops in Mecklenburg and Alamance counties. The latter study, written by professors working with the Latino Migration Project at UNC-Chapel Hill, found a significant increase in the number of Hispanics cited for driving without a license between July 2005 and December 2007. This is hardly a smoking gun given that North Carolina finally stopped issuing driver’s licenses to illegal aliens in 2007.
Claim #5: Using race or ethnicity as a factor in investigating crime is always wrong.
The Truth: It is important to distinguish racial profiling from what law enforcement experts refer to as criminal profiling. Racial, or bias-based, profiling entails using race or some other personal factor (gender, religion, etc.) to establish probable cause. Criminal profiling is based on observed facts and, as such, may include personal factors such as race, gender or religion when such factors are relevant to identifying a suspect. According to the National Latino Peace Officers’ Association: “Criminal profiling is a bona fide activity that helps in focusing attention on persons likely to engage in specific crimes based on behaviors, not race.” When implemented as intended, 287(g) relies on self-selecting behavior, not race or ethnicity, as a trigger for checking immigration status. This is because in order for a 287(g) check to be run, a person must first be arrested for a non-immigration related offense.
Claim #6: 287(g) is having “detrimental effects on North Carolina’s communities.”
The Truth: The vast majority of North Carolina’s citizens support 287(g). According to Civitas’ polling:
88% of N.C. voters support county participation in the 287(g) program (July 2007);
91% support giving law enforcement officers the technology needed to confirm the identity and legal status of a driver who does not possess a valid driver’s license (April 2008);
89% support allowing police officers to ask arrestees if they are legal residents of the United States (September 2007);
73% think their local government needs to do more to combat illegal immigration (September 2008).
The GAO likewise indicates that participating law enforcement agencies believe 287(g) has made their communities safer and “improved the quality of life for the community.” These same agencies also acknowledge that while some members of the Hispanic community – 78 percent of illegal aliens are Hispanic – were afraid of possible deportation, nearly every 287(g) locality had conducted public outreach aimed at allaying these concerns.
Claim #7: The 287(g) program fosters “a fear of law enforcement that causes immigrant communities to refrain from reporting crimes.”
The Truth: It is important here to distinguish between legal immigrants and illegal aliens. Given that illegal immigration is a crime, it would be strange if illegal aliens were not afraid of being deported. More to the point, the ACLU provides no objective evidence that legal immigrants who have committed no other crimes are generally afraid of law enforcement because of 287(g). Indeed, the report indicates that “many immigrant crimes are not reported” for reasons that have nothing to do with 287(g). The fact is that 287(g) can make even illegal immigrant communities safer by deporting criminal illegal aliens who prey on other illegals. Consider, for instance, the case of Francisco Martinez, who was stopped by Raleigh police one night in May 2008 and found to have an expired license. Instead of arresting him, police let Martinez go. Six hours later, he killed three other illegal aliens in a drunk-driving accident. Had Martinez been arrested and flagged for deportation under 287(g), his victims would still be alive.
Claim #8: Immigration law is too “complicated” to expect local law enforcement to assist in enforcement.
The Truth: 287(g) does not require intricate knowledge of immigration law. The program merely facilitates the identification of illegal aliens by making it easier for local police to ask ICE to verify immigration status. After an arrest has been made, local law enforcement merely submits identifying information to ICE, which then makes a determination as to whether an offender should be detained for deportation. Here we might also add that according to numerous courts and the Department of Justice, it is a “well-settled” fact that local law enforcement officers are permitted to enforce federal statutes and that as “sovereign entities,” states and localities “have the inherent authority to enforce civil and criminal violations of federal immigration law.”
Claim #9: 287(g) has caused “economic devastation for already struggling municipalities, as immigrants are forced to flee communities, causing a loss of profits for local businesses and a decrease in tax revenues.”
The Truth: Illegal immigration has both costs and benefits. Employers who hire illegal aliens benefit the most by paying low wages and shifting healthcare costs to taxpayers. Employers who obey the law suffer most, as do low-income American workers, whose wages have declined owing to illegal immigration. Likewise, the Congressional Budget Office has determined that “the cost of providing public services to unauthorized immigrants at the state and local levels exceeds what this population pays in state and local taxes” (December 2007). Here in North Carolina the myth that illegal aliens are paying their own way has been perpetuated by a report (Kasarda and Johnson, 2006) sponsored by the Mexican consulate in Raleigh. Yet, even this study admits that Hispanic residents (the report makes no distinction between legal residents and illegal aliens) impose a net burden of $102 per capita. The report also undercounts costs, leaving out school construction costs, transportation costs, law enforcement costs, water and sewerage usage, electricity usage, pollution impacts and other budgetary impacts.
Claim #10: The ACLU wants to “improve” 287(g).
The Truth: Given ICE’s track record, it should come as no surprise that the federal agency that administers 287(g) needs to manage the program better. Already in January 2009, under the guidance of the GAO, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) began to take steps to implement additional internal controls over 287(g). The impression one gets from the ACLU report, however, is that local sheriffs cannot be trusted to enforce federal law, such that their participation in 287(g) must be so heavily regulated as to make the program practically unworkable.
Indeed, the ACLU argues that “ultimately, the most obvious and effective way to eliminate the problems associated with 287(g) implementation is to eliminate the 287(g) program altogether.” Likewise, the organization is seeking the nullification of all prior 287(g) agreements, “in order to return all federal immigration enforcement powers to DHS only.”
Conclusion
Congress authorized 287(g) because the federal government understood it could not enforce immigration law without the assistance of local law enforcement. Consider that there are an estimated 11 million to 40 million illegal aliens in the United States. By comparison, ICE employs about 2,000 agents dedicated to interior enforcement, such that there are anywhere from 5,500 to 20,000 illegal aliens per agent. Yet, there are some 800,000 local law enforcement officers throughout the United States – making for a ratio of 50 to 1. This is not to say that every local police officer should devote the majority of their time to immigration enforcement. Rather, targeted enforcement, such as that facilitated by 287(g), will send the message that America’s communities are united in combating illegal immigration and upholding the dignity of the rule of law. It is only upon this basis that true immigration reform can occur.
Dr. Jameson Taylor is a senior policy fellow with the Civitas Institute
zeezil
March 25th, 2009
5:11 pm
ENFORCEMENT PAYS – 287g
With the widespread murderous violence between warring Mexican drug cartels spilling over the U.S. border and the continuing threat from radical Islamic terrorists domestic and foreign, the government has to spend its law enforcement dollars where they can do the most good. Yet Democratic leaders in Congress and the Obama administration appear ready to scale back one of the most successful and cost-effective immigration law enforcement programs ever launched.
This program, known as 287(g), allows police, sheriffs, and other local law enforcement agencies to provide direct assistance to federal agents in identifying illegal alien criminals and putting them on the path to removal from the country. By expediting the removal of foreign lawbreakers, 287(g) saves taxpayers money.
Its cost: about $60 million over the last three fiscal years. In contrast, ICE spent more than ten times that annual cost — about $219 million — last year alone to remove 34,000 aliens under the fugitive operations program. There are local benefits, too; the Arizona Department of Public Safety saved nearly $3 million in incarceration costs in just the first year.
Currently, illegal aliens who make it past border patrol agents, consular officers and port of entry inspectors are largely home free. The Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has just a few thousand agents, concentrated in cities, to deal with a widely scattered illegal population that recently reached 12 million, including nearly seven million in the work force and as many as 400,000 in jails and prisons. This mismatch works well for illegal aliens, especially the criminals.
For a long time, local communities have been stuck with the economic and social consequences. But in 1996, Congress heeded their pleas and gave them this tool to address public safety problems associated with illegal immigration and help out the feds at the same time…. (MORE at: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31130 )
Mark
March 25th, 2009
5:11 pm
HavingMySay, “Illegal’s do not have anything to do with why our economy is in such despair”? How about them taking jobs away from Americans? How about them sending money home that never sees it’s way back into our economy? Take off those rose colored glasses and see the truth.
Mark
March 25th, 2009
5:13 pm
LT5000, My memory is fine. Rick called you out, and your belly turned yellow. So, when is the bout?
Bubba
March 25th, 2009
5:15 pm
It’s simple. Illegal aliens are breaking the law. Period. End of story. I don’t care if they’re white (Polish, Bulgarian, Bosnian, etc.), black, hispanic. I don’t care. They are breaking the law.
HavingMySay
March 25th, 2009
5:53 pm
Mark,
What jobs? You are too lazy to cut your own grass. Not only that, since the economy has been in decline, the number of illegals have declined.
The decline in the number of hispanics in metro Atlanta has been the talk amongst, my friends and I.
Haven’t you been keeping up with the reports that show some neighboorhoods that were running over with illegal immigrants that are now completely empty. I was on Buford highway with a few friends for lunch and we were amazed.
So, in my opinion the laws for immigration are about to become MUTE. Now, is the time to close the border and amend the immigration laws.
Steve
March 25th, 2009
6:51 pm
Bruce didn’t call out LT. Bruce joined in behing Baddie as if he had something to do with it, but he didn’t. It was all Rick. I hate it when people ride others coattails. LT owns Bruce. Rick owns LT. Got it? Let’s put it behind us now.
Justin
March 25th, 2009
7:30 pm
Havingmysay, according to info from the Gwinnett Sheriff’s Office the number of illegals arrested is
still rising. Just sayin.
LT5000
March 25th, 2009
7:48 pm
Mark,
Take the schlong out of your mouth and the balls off your chin. Read your previous post you dumbass.
I offered to throw down with Badie when he writes a useful article, like a ride a long with the local law enforcement.
I’m not going to step into the ring with somebody 80 pounds heavier than I am for nothing.
If he wants the chance to kick my ass Blubbering Badie is going to have to earn it.
Wipe your chin.
LT5000
Regularjoe
March 25th, 2009
8:17 pm
Mark
LT5000, My memory is fine. Rick called you out, and your belly turned yellow. So, when is the bout?
Steve
Bruce didn’t call out LT. Bruce joined in behing Baddie as if he had something to do with it, but he didn’t. It was all Rick. I hate it when people ride others coattails. LT owns Bruce. Rick owns LT. Got it? Let’s put it behind us now.
You are right Steve, the damage is done. It looks like LT has old Bruce worked up and Rick scared old LT
Bubba
March 25th, 2009
8:41 pm
HavingMySay,
Jobs are irrelevant. I don’t care if I’m too lazy to cut my own grass or flip my own burgers. It’s simple. Illegal aliens are breaking the law. Period. End of story. I don’t care if they’re white (Polish, Bulgarian, Bosnian, etc.), black, hispanic. I don’t care. They are breaking the law. If many leave because jobs are gone, I don’t care. They ALL need to go.
If I break the law, I get punished, be it murder, assault, DUI, what have you. Why should they not get punished? Because they need the work? I applied at Publix, because I needed extra $$$ to pay my bills. They weren’t hiring, all the positions were filled. I went to get some cubed meat for a stew I was making. The “butcher” needed to bring in a translator to take my order, because he couldn’t understand what I was saying.
If he’s here legally, then Publix needs to do a better job at customer service orientation. If he’s not, then I’ve been paying for almost 30 years taxes and unemployment what this guy hasn’t paid doodly squat to do a job that I – or any tax paying citizen -wants and a job to which he’s not entitled.
I have a hard enough time providing for myself. Congress and Wall Street exact their heavy tolls. I will donate to charity because I want to. You nor anybody of your ilk will make me donate because I have to. It’s that simple.
Bruce Wilcox
March 25th, 2009
8:44 pm
Steve I’ll call you out, the O2 can come off, I’m a New Yorker, I never back down, what say?
LT doesn’t own anyone when he’s challenged and runs, just a kid hiding behind a screen.
Bet you two even play together. Let’s see whose coattail hits the ground first.
Bruce Wilcox
March 25th, 2009
8:55 pm
No one has addressed the cost of removing 12 million illegals from the country, nor how much manpower it would take, would it be a house to house search, roadblocks, warrents or no warrants, trial or no trial?
Why doesn’t someone like Lou Dobbs ever address it? People throw out solutions, but never mention the price?
Southern conservatives are boo-hooing over President Obama’s budget, the very same people who remained mute when bush whats driving us into the ground with his. Just imagine what the cost will be, billions or maybe over a trillion, then add keeping them there.
Cindy
March 25th, 2009
9:19 pm
Bruce,
I tried to stear the conversation that way toward a cost and manpower discussion. What I got in return was emotion-based accusations because I hold an opinion somewhat different than a few other bloggers.
There won’t be any house-to-house search and seizures (hope I spelled that right and used the correct word). In Gwinnett, it will be hard enough to detain and deport the people who blatantly offend. Our cops don’t get bored and just go out looking for people who look illegal and if i’m not mistaken, the deputies who would be participating in the 287g program (if and when we get it) will be working within the sheriff’s dept. They won’t be out trying to drum up business either. The customers will be delivered to their door. Right? That’s my take on it anyway. I welcome any additional (accurate) information.
Cindy
March 25th, 2009
9:43 pm
HavingMySay,
Perhaps you’re mistaken what “unAmerican” is. Maybe you’re unaware of the drain on our economy because you simply don’t understand anything other than being nice to people and welcoming everyone with open arms. That’s really NOT a bad thing. In retrospect I can even remember being able to relate to what you must be feeling.
However, in modern times, I can’t help but notice the strain not only on a national level, but on our local governments who are at their wits end trying to figure out which end is up. Revenue is what is was all about. More people, more money spent in our communities, right? Wrong. Take into consideration the fact that alot of the money illegal immigrants made over the past 10 years has been wired out of the United States to support families living elsewhere. Money FROM U.S. Citizens hands but not returned to U.S. economy.
I understand there’s only so many ways to say that before it sounds oh so boring and just plain redundant. So next, i’ll mention how many local dollars it takes to support our ever-growing school system. Tell ya what, go to the schools. Don’t take my word for it. Come back and report to us what you find there.
Then go to DFACS. Let us know what you find there too. But to give a truly accurate snapshot, you probably would’ve seen more of the big picture a year or two ago. Some of them might not be sitting in the waiting area now. Besides that, the counties aren’t sending their employees out now to area business parking lots asking illegals to come please sign up for assitance.
Now these things, I’ve said all of them before. But, I can’t figure out how you presume to know me, my race, my belief system toward others, or anything else that you accuse me of. You seem to think that anyone who doesn’t share your thoughts must be whitey and out to oppress anyone who is non-white, blond-haired, blue-eyed. About this, it is fruitless to further discuss it, as you already have your mind made up and I really don’t even care.
The natural-born children of illegal immigrants who you say should challenge the Supreme Court about their parents deportation…this too is bait and switch of yours. You’re trying to not discuss the topic of the blog and point fingers at everyone else, throw up a bunch of smoke and mirrors just so you can protest deportation and campaign for us to love everyone and shut the heck up. We’ve all sat around now for over a decade while our country has been permeated by illegal immigrants who’ve done not much other than bend the U.S. over and without so much as even a kiss. And up til now, we’ve taken it with a smile.
Bruce Wilcox
March 25th, 2009
10:12 pm
Cindy
Look at it this way, the 287g program is nothing more than just another feel good law. Sure it will send a few back, maybe break up a family for awhile, empty a driveway of one truck for a week or so, but it keeps the townfolk happy, man if that’s what the people need to shut them up, go for it.
Now as the Bleeding Heart Liberal I am, which everyone knows I am, but I’m proud of the label, I’m sure you’ll understand why I don’t like the program. Last year in Mexico 7,000 people were killed by drug cartels with guns and money supplied from this country. That’s more than we lost in the two wars we’re fighting, the difference, this is in one year. Do you want to send families into a war zone where the death toll is higher than both Iraq and Afganistan? We invade a country in the Middle East that had no air force, no navy, no nukes, no chemical weapons because they were such a danger to us and ignored our neighbors.
Tell me the truth Cindy, if you were living in a war zone, wouldn’t you try to escape with your family to your neighbor to the North?
This administration is sending more enforcement to the boarder, if people ever read the news. Nickle and dimeing a problem never works, show me the money.
As I said before make Pot legal, Nixon wanted to treat drugs as an addiction just as we do drunks, no one listened. Look whats happened, the drunks are fined, pot smokers jailed? Bet drunks kill more on the road than pot smokers.
That’s all I got.
Michael H. Smith
March 25th, 2009
10:44 pm
The open borders lobby and ethnocentric groups thrive on disinformation and emotional rancor Cindy: So don’t expect to see much in the way of accurate information. You are right our police don’t need to create crime just to have something to do or to justify having a job and there are enough legal means under the law if our police and other authorized federal agents are allowed to use those lawful means to remove illegal aliens for deportation without implementing a house to house search or unlawfully kicking down doors.
Unfortunately, Obama and his administration, certain members of Congress, the open borders lobby and ethnocentric groups are making concerted efforts to dismantle every legal and lawful means to eradicate illegal immigration and illegal workers in this country with a great expediency: Not funding 287 g, stopping worksite inspections, stopping no match SS lettersand, ending E-Verify or any other legal means of confirming legal status; anything that will prevent legal deportations from occurring.
Even with the threats now posed on the southern border and within the country itself by Mexican drug cartels, Obama delays sending the only force able to secure the border, our military. Despite even Senator Joe Lieberman declaring a clear and present danger exists at the southern border and that inadequate resources are being deployed to confront that present danger.
Yes Cindy the truthfulness that we know is bad enough, we don’t have to lie or invent bogeymen. Like you said, they came to us or they are coming to us by means of their own criminal choice and we didn’t commit the crime of dragging any of them across our borders illegally to live here in a criminal residency.
Bruce Wilcox
March 25th, 2009
11:51 pm
So now smith and Joe Lieberman want our military on the boarder with Mexico, so Joe and you want to declare Marshal Law, otherwise it’s another damn invasion. May I ask where your buddy Joe and you plan to get the military?
Our DEPLETED military, the National Guard, once weekend warriors, are now harden front lines soldiers who get re-cycled for a year at best only to return to the front. Now Joe and you don’t even want to give them a break, whats next a National Police Force?
The President Obama’s administration has been in power, what 70 days, yet all these ills just showed up. The parrot of Lou Dobbs offer all the solutions, yet can never tell where the $$$$ comes from or our military?
Brandon
March 26th, 2009
1:44 am
“…everybody that can get out of my community chooses to do so because of the influx of illegals. That’s just the reality of it and there nothing racist about that,”
Unless Loretta Jakubowski has access to the Department of Homeland Securities Database, she has no idea who is here illegal or not. So if people are moving just because there neighborhood are getting an inlfux of Latinos or Asians or both…it is called “WHITE FLIGHT” and it is a result of prejudice and a form of racism.
Chris Broe
March 26th, 2009
8:15 am
I think we should give Buford Highway back to Mexico, where it rightfully belongs. Just like we should give Cobb County back to Alabama, where it rightfully belongs.
And give this newspaper back to Charmins.
Hey AJC editors: PMS called. It wants its rag back.
LT5000
March 26th, 2009
9:17 am
You guys are delusional.
Scared of Brucie and Badie? Give me a break.
The only way I would be scared of these two is if I had to read Badie’s articles to my dying day while listening to tapes of Brucie’s Anti-American rants.
And while Badie blubbers, the AJC dies a slow painful death due to incompetent writers like Badie. Time for Badie to get that resume into Denny’s. A job he is much better suited for.
**The Atlanta Journal-Constitution said Wednesday it will cut its full-time news staff by about 90 people, or nearly 30 percent, to lower costs as it tries to regain profitability amid a severe revenue slump.**
**The company also announced it will eliminate distribution to seven more outlying counties, reducing its circulation area to 20 metro Atlanta counties, effective April 26. The cutback will pare daily and Sunday circulation by 2 percent.**
**The AJC’s news staff will drop to about 230 full-time positions, down from about 323 currently. Staff members with five or more years with the company will be offered voluntary buyouts, with layoffs to follow if they don’t achieve the targeted cuts, the company said.**
LT5000
DawgBite
March 26th, 2009
9:19 am
Cindy
March 25th, 2009We’ve all sat around now for over a decade while our country has been permeated by illegal immigrants who’ve done not much other than bend the U.S. over and without so much as even a kiss. And up til now, we’ve taken it with a smile.
You should smile anytime anyone wants to bend you over Cindy. I bet that’s a rare thing indeed.
9:19 pm
Cindy
March 26th, 2009
9:40 am
DawgBite, is that the very best you got? I expected better…even from you.
Cindy
March 26th, 2009
9:58 am
Bruce,I see what you’re saying. But for counties who already have 287g in place, illegals know what they’re in for if they go there anyway and break the law. They’re also fully aware that Gwinnett County is fine to do whatever, we don’t have the current threat of deportation in place as a crime deterrent. Wouldn’t it be great to see a real number that shows the amount of money it costs Gwinnett County to house, school, jail and otherwise support illegal immigrants and their anchor-babies. Then a national number.
**Tell me the truth Cindy, if you were living in a war zone, wouldn’t you try to escape with your family to your neighbor to the North?**
The difference is Bruce, when the war-zone all moves here, and I have to escape to the North, I’ll do it legally and i’ll be documented as moving to my new location, and still responsible for my obligations I incur as being a U.S. Citizen.
The program isn’t just a feel-good measure but for now, it’s all we have. Our administration will dismantle it as they see fit though. We just have to be patient and accept it as we’re desensitized and made to like it. Speaking of of our military, I wonder how many illegals sign up to protect and serve the USA.
Chris Broe
March 26th, 2009
10:43 am
dawg, does cindy have an older sister for me?
Know this: if we start rifling through populations of Hispanics in metro atlanta, there will be blood. There’s a generation long squatter’s justice entrenched in our midst. We can have some low grade civil war in a new york minute. Just start F’ing with the historically natural population migration across a border. Every bit of bad news in the story of man comes from cracking down on a perceived threat from some migration. It must be the path to political power: Simply point out the strange faces.
Populations migrate. They just do. You cant stop it. We only became a great planet because man is bigger than maps. You got the guts, you go down there and roust those Mexicans squatters. Go ‘head. Start a rebellion. That’s what Metro Atlanta needs.
Mark
March 26th, 2009
12:43 pm
HavingMySay, What jobs? The ones that were taken from Americans. And look around you fool. Those jobs consist of more than simply cutting grass. What about construction for example? Is is hard being a dumbass?
Sam
March 26th, 2009
1:13 pm
Mark he probably hides under a robe and hood as well. The LT5000s of the world are natural born cowards that have to hate to have any sense of self worth at all. Give me a hard working Mexican any day over trash like LT5000 and others of his ilk.
Sam
March 26th, 2009
1:17 pm
I haven’t heard a one of you here mention that it is usually a redneck bubba hiring the immigrants to work construction jobs.
Cindy
March 26th, 2009
1:35 pm
I didn’t realize it beared mentioning.
Just for you Sam:
It’s usually a redneck bubba hiring the immigrants to work construction jobs.
Of course now that construction is slow, redneck bubba gets to sit around in the poor house, so he gets his just reward. He’s also probably sitting around trying to figure out how to pay his taxes right about now. Redneck bubba is also the one who gets to be held accountable when his workers fall down elevator chutes or when bridges collapse and noone on-site is a documented worker. Some of the redneck bubba’s can also be some of the ones who found themselves a wife from an off-shore location and brought her here, which in turn causes his view to be slightly different because of the confusion associating and comparing immigrants with illegal immigrants.
There are so many different contributing factors. It’s not so cut and dry. Pro’s and Con’s. Upsides and downsides. That’s why it’s so difficult to draw a line between compassion and…and…and…all of this.
Mark
March 26th, 2009
1:47 pm
HavingMySay, I failed to mention all the free healthcare we provide them, as well as living tax free. The illegals are a drain to this country’s economy in more ways than one. They need to be rounded up and deported, one way or another. Either by gov’t or by the citizens of this country. I belong to a group that’s ready to rid America of the filth when called upon. And it will be ugly, I can promise you.
Mark
March 26th, 2009
1:48 pm
If the illegals weren’t here, then “Bubba” wouldn’t hire them……
Cindy
March 26th, 2009
2:14 pm
…and we might not have so many people out there looking for jobs now. And if we did, it would just be the lazy, sorry a$$ ones who weren’t looking to work, anyway. And jobs might actually still be out there to look for, because all of the money wasn’t send out of the U.S. to support other countries economies. And we’re providing the health care also because bubba can hire illegals…they don’t expect benefits.
Vicious circle coming right up. Big picture ya’ll. Can’t cut and paste out the little inconvenient parts like splitting up families. I know it could get really expensive but maybe 287 should emcompass sending the whole family back. Might be more expensive to jump back over to the states a month later, that way too.
Mark
March 26th, 2009
2:16 pm
Chris Broe, “Go ‘head. Start a rebellion”. Oh, it’s coming. I am 1 of about 15,000 members of a group ready to do so. And we’re getting more soldiers every day. Unless something is done, then WE WILL take this country back.
CD
March 26th, 2009
2:17 pm
The only filth that needs to be removed from this country are people like you Mark.
Mark
March 26th, 2009
2:19 pm
And that’s 15,000 soldiers country wide……..
Mark
March 26th, 2009
2:20 pm
CD, keep your uneducated ass comments to your loathsome self. You are clueless.
Jackie
March 26th, 2009
2:21 pm
I heard ya Mark. 15,000 imbeciles.
Jackie
March 26th, 2009
2:25 pm
Mark is a cretin.
DDT
March 26th, 2009
2:25 pm
That Mark character is retarded.
Franklin Pierce
March 26th, 2009
2:29 pm
With dumbazzes like Mark spearheading the anti-Mexican “war” his side will definately lose. That idiot couldn’t organize a one man circle jerk.
Mark
March 26th, 2009
2:34 pm
Franklin Pierce, I organized nothing. I am but 1 soldier. And keep your hands off that thing. you’ll go blind.
Franklin Pierce
March 26th, 2009
2:43 pm
WOW! A big bad army of 1 aryan brother piece of dog crap, huh Mark?
Mark
March 26th, 2009
2:46 pm
Franklin Pierce, no dumbass. I am but one of over 15,000 true Americans who don’t just sit there and hope the problem fixes itself. What is your agenda Sir Franklin Pierce?
Franklin Pierce
March 26th, 2009
3:00 pm
I guess Mark defines true American as only those that burn crosses in folks yards and posses the collective intellect of a flea. My agenda is to enjoy watching you “true Americans” bray like a herd of jackazzes about everything that isn’t just like you. It’s funny as hell to watch all that ignorance in action.
LT5000
March 26th, 2009
3:06 pm
Mark says:
**That explains alot about how and why your belly turned yellow when Bruce called you out.**
Obviously your mother is also your aunt on your father’s side. Like Brucie the halfwit, you have no clue what you are talking about, but that doesn’t stop you from speaking.
Life is hard, it’s even harder if you are stupid.
LT5000
Mark
March 26th, 2009
3:18 pm
Ignorant jerkoff (Franklin Pierce), “burn crosses in folks yards”?? I have no affiliation with the Aryan nation. I called Jackie what I did to match her “cracker” remark. We simply cannot let criminals running amok in this country. It takes away from our way of living and right to work. But you’ll still be there, sitting in your comfy chair, reading the NY Times….
Mark
March 26th, 2009
3:20 pm
LT5000, Cut the crap. We all know what went down. Now STFU, candyass….
NOWICUNVME
March 26th, 2009
3:32 pm
Lol…Lol…Lol… It’s been awhile folks! I’m still laughing from the last blog and LT with his tail between his legs! Just what I always knew! If you’re not a female you are a classic example of
Napolean syndrome without a doubt! 140LBS?? Tee hee hee.
Anyway…just like the economic situation in this country, the problem with illegal immigrants is widespread as well. The answer, however, is not “legalizing” profiling and stereotyping. Unfortunately, Cindy, it does come back to the good old way things have been done and continue to be done in the South. Unable and unwwilling to accept changes.
It’s a new daggone day! We, the people, the world, have much bigger fish to be frying. Can we pull our servicemen out of Iraq and Afghanistan? Can we concentrate on fixing this great nation..ending the recession/depression? These problems we’re facing are not because we have too many illegal immigrants in the country. Let’s put all the ducks in a row and prioritize them. While it may be bothersome, 287g belongs at the bottom of the list.
OBAMA 09
Mark
March 26th, 2009
3:39 pm
NOWICUNVME,”Can we pull our servicemen out of Iraq and Afghanistan?” On a large scale, no. But a withdrawl is in sight. Then the troops can guard the borders of this country, after we rid Our country of illegal aliens.
Franklin Pierce
March 26th, 2009
3:42 pm
Bottom line. The Democratic Party will come through with comprehensive immigration reform. Why? They counted the votes. No amount of braying from you throwback David Duke wannabes can stop it. Latinos are a powerful voting block now and they will band together against you scared crapless angry white folks. Furthermore, immigration as an issue doesn’t even hit double digits in importance to everyday Americans anymore. Most reasonable Americans can’t stand you nativist bigots either. Enjoy the outside looking in.
Mark
March 26th, 2009
3:46 pm
Franklin Pierce,”The Democratic Party will come through with comprehensive immigration reform”
And monkeys will fly out of my ass. Man, you clueless morons are truly pathetic.
Chris Broe
March 26th, 2009
3:47 pm
I think we should give buford highway back to mexico, and give cobb county back to alabama.
Franklin Pierce
March 26th, 2009
3:56 pm
Idiots like you Mark are too stupid to know when the hand writing’s on the wall. The Dems don’t give a damn about a bunch of redneck bigots that don’t vote for them anyway. You and all you other daydreaming morons are done. You’re history. Comprehensive Immigration Reform will happen. Keep thinking it won’t and then cry us all a river when it does. You and those of your ilk are on the losing side of this one. SI SE PUEDE muthafuc$ers. Go stick one of your burning crosses up your stinky azz.
Cindy
March 26th, 2009
4:19 pm
gmail
Mark
March 26th, 2009
4:26 pm
Franklin Pierce, Your whole post is mere speculation. And a tad angry. Next you’ll be telling me that most blacks didn’t vote for Obama because of his skin color. During a street interview I saw, reporters were asking blacks questions like ” So, what do you think of Obama’s running mate, Sarah Palin?” And questions of the like. They had no clue. One dude said that he “thought it was a good thing”. There were several more interviews like this, and it was amazing. The only thing the ones interviewed knew was the fact he was black, and they were going to vote for him. Nice voter base you have there…..
Mark
March 26th, 2009
4:29 pm
Franklin Pierce, FYI, I was born and raised in NY, so me being a redneck is simply a word you people misuse often.
Mark
March 26th, 2009
4:35 pm
BTW, Jackie. I had your racist post removed.
nana
March 26th, 2009
4:42 pm
It’s getting ugly around here. Don’t agree with the premise that because a person wants illegal immigration addressed that they are an angry redneck. That’s absurd. Illegal immigration is a huge problem and especially in Gwinnett County. It doesn’t matter what country the illegals come from but let’s be real here most of the illegals in Gwinnett are Hispanic. They are truly a drain on the system. A lot of them have no health insurance, they have medicaid, they secure food stamps, they cannot speak English for the most part and now our schools have to have ESOL classes and teachers for that. Tell the folks in California that they don’t drain the system. The problem with 287g is that it’s going to be just another law on the books. Perhaps if the government enforced the laws that are already on the books we wouldn’t be having these discussions.
Mark
March 26th, 2009
5:28 pm
nana, don’t forget none of them have licenses or Insurance. They can’t unstand the national language (English), deal in drugs and violence, and decrease property values. Anyone have any pluses regarding illegal immigration? Besides making the big dog money?
Michael H. Smith
March 26th, 2009
5:56 pm
President Obumer please read this now stop thimking about, just do it. And drop your un-American plans on immigration policy.
79% of Americans Want Military on Mexico Border
By Rasmussen Reports – March 16, 2009
Seventy-nine percent (79%) of U.S. voters now say the military should be used along the border with Mexico to protect American citizens if drug-related violence continues to grow in that area.
This marks a 21-point jump in support for the use of the U.S. military along the border in just two months.
Only 10% now say the military should not be used in that fashion, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national phone survey. Eleven percent (11%) are not sure.
Republicans feel even more strongly about the use of the military than others. Ninety percent (90%) of GOP voters say the military should be used to protect U.S. citizens if the violence crosses into this country, compared to 72% of Democrats and 76% of voters not affiliated with either of the major parties.
President Obama has expressed concern about the rise of drug violence in Mexico and is reportedly considering sending the National Guard to the border if the high level of violence moves into this country.
Michael H. Smith
March 26th, 2009
6:07 pm
Gov. Rick Perry asked Washington last month for 1,000 National Guard troops, to free up local police and sheriffs, and federal border, immigration and customs personnel. In McCain’s homestate of Arizona, Gov. Jan Brewer has also asked for troops.
President Obumer can you here us now? Stop thinking just do it.
Michael H. Smith
March 26th, 2009
6:20 pm
President Obumer can you hear us now? Stop thinking about it, do it, troops on the border works. You don’t need Mexico’s permission just a set of loyal American gonads.
Mexico says troops cut drug deaths in border city
CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico, March 23 (Reuters) – Mexico has dramatically cut drug murders in its most violent city on the U.S. border after deploying 7,500 soldiers earlier this month, the government said on Monday.
“The number of violent deaths linked to organized crime in Ciudad Juarez has fallen by more than 70 percent,” Public Security Minister Genaro Garcia Luna said in a speech in the manufacturing city across from El Paso, Texas.
Josh
March 26th, 2009
7:50 pm
haha ya cause immigrants fall down elevator chutes and bridges are always falling down due to being built by illegals. Who is this dumb broad? Go bake me a pie.
Cindy
March 26th, 2009
8:09 pm
This dumb broad is the one who presents the facts you’re too stupid to comprehend. Concern youself not so much with feeding your face, focus less on me and more on educating yourself on the going-ons in your community. Then maybe, just maybe, your comments won’t seem so ignorant (look it up…it means “unknowing of the facts”).
Bruce Wilcox
March 26th, 2009
10:29 pm
Bush was governor of Texas for eight years, President for eight years and this problem began on 1/20/2009 at noon?
I asked before smith, where do you get the military? You cry about the budget but never tell us how much this mass operation will cost, you want to send families into a war zone where 7,000 people were killed just last year alone. But you supported a invasion of a country that had no air force, no navy, no nukes or chemical weapons, to protect Iraqi’s from evil Saddam, you forget that bush asked, no begged for the McCain/Kennedy immigrantion reform bill.
You want Marshell Law turning the national Guard into a National Police Force.
Isn’t always Republicans who say we never pay attention to polls or the country should not be run by polls when they are in power, yet want Democrats to not only listen, but do exactly what the poll wants, strange reasoning indeed. The Republicans should have ran Rasmussen.
The embarrassed Republican smith is nothing more than a hypocrite.
Bruce Wilcox
March 26th, 2009
10:45 pm
Excuse me, that should be Martial Law. Bet 90% of those polled never heard of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, Title 18, Section 1385 of the U.S. Code., look it up.
vlscpa
March 26th, 2009
11:04 pm
The FBI say that 80% of crime in the U.S. is gang-related. Observation shows that 80% of gang activity is ill eagle related. The gang capital of the southeast is Atlanta, specifically, Gwinnett, specifically, Duluth, and I have lived in Duluth for 20 years. These people ARE NOT honest, and if they ARE hard-working, I’m terrified of whatever they’re working so hard at doing.
ben
March 26th, 2009
11:21 pm
thanks God for OBAMA, i think God is good w good ppl
Mark
March 27th, 2009
7:42 am
Since we can’t even think about messing with the blacks anymore having the mexicans is actually a good thing. It gives white people something to take issue with since the blacks have buried us in political correctnes. The message has to stay out there that this is a white country, run by white people, and one where the white anglo saxon western European line will continue to dominate forever. If it warn’t for the damn mexicans we couldn’t be yelling loud and proud against the browning of America. This country belongs to us whites and always will.
GT75
March 27th, 2009
7:49 am
Bruce Wilcox it’s because collectively most of these guys bashing the Mexicans are the lowest common denominator in our society and have a collective IQ of about 70. They’re too damn dumb to know that the bulk of financial crimes and human trafficking enterprises are run by lily white Eastern European and Chinese immigrants. Of course their color makes them no issue at all to white trash types like Mark and his posse of bigots.