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	<description>Rick Badie writes about people, places and issues in Gwinnett County. He can be reached at rbadie@ajc.com.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael H. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael H. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Making things real simple Wilcox, did you ever smoke?</description>
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		<title>By: Michael H. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael H. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t give a straight answer? Are you saying your COPD is purely job related to firefighting?</description>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wilcox</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/rick-badie-blog/2009/03/21/resident-reveals-building%e2%80%99s-shortfalls-to-aid-handicapped/comment-page-2/#comment-349</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Wilcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 03:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smith want part of being a firefighter for twenty years didn&#039;t you understand? What have you ever done?</description>
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		<title>By: Michael H. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael H. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh it was definitely partly for yourself hypocrite, don&#039;t lie Wilcox. Oh and by the way, several peopled hinted, rather all but asked, just how did you come by contracting COPD?

After reading your pitiful childish outburst in defense of narco-terrorist on the present blog 287g, to flush what you call knowledge would take and eternity. Such usually is the case with pathological lairs and of course pathetic Anti-American trash like yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh it was definitely partly for yourself hypocrite, don&#8217;t lie Wilcox. Oh and by the way, several peopled hinted, rather all but asked, just how did you come by contracting COPD?</p>
<p>After reading your pitiful childish outburst in defense of narco-terrorist on the present blog 287g, to flush what you call knowledge would take and eternity. Such usually is the case with pathological lairs and of course pathetic Anti-American trash like yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LT5000 – I just downloaded Google Earth to this laptop as I did not have it on this one.  I would hope that it would be accurate.  According to this latest version, it is about 266 feet from the front door to the edge of the bottom of the circle of the parking lot. To the closest handicapped parking space is another 79 feet or so for a total of 385 feet.  These numbers are off by a few feet as I cannot determined the exact entrance to the building from the image Google has but for this discussion it is probably close enough.  In any event, this is at least twice as far as you claimed.

Jais – This is blog about Gwinnet County.  Covington is Newton County which is not even contiguous to Gwinnett.  While the FEMA issue might need to be investigated, I fail to see why an opinion column about Gwinnett County should be held accountable for something going on 2 counties away.

To all that think that Rick replied with a challenge to fight, think again.  It could lead to him losing his job.  Anyone can use his name as their name on her.  Further, when Rick legitimately replies, his name is highlighted in a different color.  Just FYI.

My personal observation is that it is indeed a long way to the building for someone with a disability.  I served on an extended jury assignement for a while in a cast for a broken foot and felt the uneven pavement and distance were issues.  I agree that everyone reacts to a disability in a different way.   I became much more sensitive to the issue as my father progressed from a cane to a walker to a wheelchair prior to his death and my own experiences.  I’m a fairly big guy and understand how the internal doors could be an issue for someone with a disability. 

Regarding the pavers, I know of a large local University that had to change the style of brick used in walking areas because of issues for women’s shoes.  I don’t think us guys should comment on the suitability until we literally walk a mile in their shoes, in this case shoes with small area heels.

Amazing the lack of civility exhibited here!  I fail to understand why those of you that are so adamant about Rick’s columns exert the effort to read and then argue so energetically and viscously.  I guess it is the only forum some of you have or can ever hope to have.  In any event, it is my opinion that you can and should argue factual errors but opinions are just that.  I personally find Rick’s columns mostly entertaining and often educational and informative.  

Just my $.02. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LT5000 – I just downloaded Google Earth to this laptop as I did not have it on this one.  I would hope that it would be accurate.  According to this latest version, it is about 266 feet from the front door to the edge of the bottom of the circle of the parking lot. To the closest handicapped parking space is another 79 feet or so for a total of 385 feet.  These numbers are off by a few feet as I cannot determined the exact entrance to the building from the image Google has but for this discussion it is probably close enough.  In any event, this is at least twice as far as you claimed.</p>
<p>Jais – This is blog about Gwinnet County.  Covington is Newton County which is not even contiguous to Gwinnett.  While the FEMA issue might need to be investigated, I fail to see why an opinion column about Gwinnett County should be held accountable for something going on 2 counties away.</p>
<p>To all that think that Rick replied with a challenge to fight, think again.  It could lead to him losing his job.  Anyone can use his name as their name on her.  Further, when Rick legitimately replies, his name is highlighted in a different color.  Just FYI.</p>
<p>My personal observation is that it is indeed a long way to the building for someone with a disability.  I served on an extended jury assignement for a while in a cast for a broken foot and felt the uneven pavement and distance were issues.  I agree that everyone reacts to a disability in a different way.   I became much more sensitive to the issue as my father progressed from a cane to a walker to a wheelchair prior to his death and my own experiences.  I’m a fairly big guy and understand how the internal doors could be an issue for someone with a disability. </p>
<p>Regarding the pavers, I know of a large local University that had to change the style of brick used in walking areas because of issues for women’s shoes.  I don’t think us guys should comment on the suitability until we literally walk a mile in their shoes, in this case shoes with small area heels.</p>
<p>Amazing the lack of civility exhibited here!  I fail to understand why those of you that are so adamant about Rick’s columns exert the effort to read and then argue so energetically and viscously.  I guess it is the only forum some of you have or can ever hope to have.  In any event, it is my opinion that you can and should argue factual errors but opinions are just that.  I personally find Rick’s columns mostly entertaining and often educational and informative.  </p>
<p>Just my $.02. <img src='http://blogs.ajc.com/rick-badie-blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wilcox</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/rick-badie-blog/2009/03/21/resident-reveals-building%e2%80%99s-shortfalls-to-aid-handicapped/comment-page-2/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Wilcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 03:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smith
Delois and yourself should really read the article again, please point out where I said it was for me? I turned up the O2, made it inside, walked around and talked sa bit as I pointed out what could/should be done. I had to rest on the way back to the parking lot, lucky for me the only bench was empty. Both your attacks make you look like the fools you are.

GJAC employee, the smoking area I&#039;m pointing out is around the monument out front, just before the &quot;NO SMOKING PASS THIS POINT&quot; sign. I don&#039;t know if they&#039;re employee&#039;s or visitors, but those special butt collectors are/were, hopefully have been removed, are there.

To really nit-pick, the Handicapped Parking sign coming in has the old arrow pointing staight ahead which would lead some poor soul to run into the safety shield, which means you must be a terrorist. The sign hasn&#039;t been changed since the county decided it was a main target in 2006.

You see delois and smith, your kind knowledge goes down with one flush, well smiths usally takes two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smith<br />
Delois and yourself should really read the article again, please point out where I said it was for me? I turned up the O2, made it inside, walked around and talked sa bit as I pointed out what could/should be done. I had to rest on the way back to the parking lot, lucky for me the only bench was empty. Both your attacks make you look like the fools you are.</p>
<p>GJAC employee, the smoking area I&#8217;m pointing out is around the monument out front, just before the &#8220;NO SMOKING PASS THIS POINT&#8221; sign. I don&#8217;t know if they&#8217;re employee&#8217;s or visitors, but those special butt collectors are/were, hopefully have been removed, are there.</p>
<p>To really nit-pick, the Handicapped Parking sign coming in has the old arrow pointing staight ahead which would lead some poor soul to run into the safety shield, which means you must be a terrorist. The sign hasn&#8217;t been changed since the county decided it was a main target in 2006.</p>
<p>You see delois and smith, your kind knowledge goes down with one flush, well smiths usally takes two.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael H. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael H. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brucie you really need to get over dumb yourself. Sore losers come up with anything rather than admit they lost. Pride can really be a down fall of a person. Delois stole all your thunder Brucie. You gotta love it when a phony liberal agenda falls apart. I mean, just saying.

Oh and Brucie when you build things to spec, sometimes that 1 or 2 hour fire rated door or wall that someone didn&#039;t know about or ever cared to read about in a spec book, means they are alive to tell about the fire they escaped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brucie you really need to get over dumb yourself. Sore losers come up with anything rather than admit they lost. Pride can really be a down fall of a person. Delois stole all your thunder Brucie. You gotta love it when a phony liberal agenda falls apart. I mean, just saying.</p>
<p>Oh and Brucie when you build things to spec, sometimes that 1 or 2 hour fire rated door or wall that someone didn&#8217;t know about or ever cared to read about in a spec book, means they are alive to tell about the fire they escaped.</p>
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		<title>By: GJAC employee</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/rick-badie-blog/2009/03/21/resident-reveals-building%e2%80%99s-shortfalls-to-aid-handicapped/comment-page-2/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>GJAC employee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LT, you&#039;re the idiot.  There is no security gate at the loading dock at GJAC.  Any truck can back right up to the loading dock.  I know, because I&#039;ve done it.  Getting into the building from the loading dock is a different matter, however.  The only &quot;security gate&quot; is the gated access into the employee parking deck.  I navigated GJAC in a cast with a broken foot several years ago and I don&#039;t ever care to do it again.  That was when the handicapped parking was actually next to the building.

As for the relocation of the handicapped parking spots in the front of the building, it was not done right after 9/11, it was several YEARS later.  

Smoking is prohibited within 20 feet of the entrance doors to GJAC.  Employees are not allowed to smoke anywhere but in their own personal vehicles.  Used to be a smoking area on the patio out back behind the cafeteria, but access changed when the metal detectors were put in coming from the employee parking area, and now the building is supposed to be smoke free anyway.  

As to the distance from the parking lot, it&#039;s still a hike from the handicapped spots out front to the front door.  My son uses a walker to get around, but we&#039;d have to put him in his wheelchair due to the distance and those stupid stones at the entrance.  Walker wheels get snagged in the cracks way too easily.  

something all of you well-mannered commenters should keep in mind is that any disability is going to have different effects on different people.  COPD will not affect Bruce the same way in affects someone else, and everyone will have good days and bad days.   Until you&#039;ve been in their shoes, you don&#039;t know what they are dealing with and what their actual limitations are.  

As for handicapped parking spaces....it&#039;s not just the proximity to the door that&#039;s an issue.  You need space next to the vehicle to unload a wheelchair or a walker or whatever other medical equipment that&#039;s coming along, and regular spaces don&#039;t have that.   

And I know LT will have something inane to fire back at me, which is fine, because I&#039;m not coming back to read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LT, you&#8217;re the idiot.  There is no security gate at the loading dock at GJAC.  Any truck can back right up to the loading dock.  I know, because I&#8217;ve done it.  Getting into the building from the loading dock is a different matter, however.  The only &#8220;security gate&#8221; is the gated access into the employee parking deck.  I navigated GJAC in a cast with a broken foot several years ago and I don&#8217;t ever care to do it again.  That was when the handicapped parking was actually next to the building.</p>
<p>As for the relocation of the handicapped parking spots in the front of the building, it was not done right after 9/11, it was several YEARS later.  </p>
<p>Smoking is prohibited within 20 feet of the entrance doors to GJAC.  Employees are not allowed to smoke anywhere but in their own personal vehicles.  Used to be a smoking area on the patio out back behind the cafeteria, but access changed when the metal detectors were put in coming from the employee parking area, and now the building is supposed to be smoke free anyway.  </p>
<p>As to the distance from the parking lot, it&#8217;s still a hike from the handicapped spots out front to the front door.  My son uses a walker to get around, but we&#8217;d have to put him in his wheelchair due to the distance and those stupid stones at the entrance.  Walker wheels get snagged in the cracks way too easily.  </p>
<p>something all of you well-mannered commenters should keep in mind is that any disability is going to have different effects on different people.  COPD will not affect Bruce the same way in affects someone else, and everyone will have good days and bad days.   Until you&#8217;ve been in their shoes, you don&#8217;t know what they are dealing with and what their actual limitations are.  </p>
<p>As for handicapped parking spaces&#8230;.it&#8217;s not just the proximity to the door that&#8217;s an issue.  You need space next to the vehicle to unload a wheelchair or a walker or whatever other medical equipment that&#8217;s coming along, and regular spaces don&#8217;t have that.   </p>
<p>And I know LT will have something inane to fire back at me, which is fine, because I&#8217;m not coming back to read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wilcox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Wilcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just show up LT, that&#039;s how a man backs up his words, I doubt that Rick would beat on a little man.

Doctors delois and woodie guess you don&#039;t get it like many here like you out of ignorance, no one is asking for any special treatment. Is not being forced to pass throught a smoking area is special treatment? Is a few more bench&#039;s around the one black bench that is that asking too much? Inside most of the huge glass doors can be made to open and close slowly, a lot less cost than replacing, add a few more seats inside reserved for the handicapped, boom, ninety percent is done. 

Now woodie if I misunderstood your intent, I apologize, but if you&#039;re are saying anyone that cannot walk a 100 yards, well they shouldn&#039;t be out there. That&#039;s bull, that means many handicapped are doing their very best to be independent. Minor changes, fix the sidewalk to be even, get rid of the smoking area, that one is really important to someone on O2, add some benchs for some can rest, reserve a few of the benchs for the handicapped. A phone and a bus stop protection for those handicapped people who cannot make the 100 yards to ask for assistance, to much is to ask?

Mr. woodie, if a handicapped person cannot walk a 100 yards, should they be taxed? If you say yes, than you must agree with most of the things I pointed out, do you not agree?

Michael H. Smith you&#039;re so full of yourself you just maybe LT&#039;s pappy. Smith spec&#039;s mean nothing when you&#039;re in a fire and in all of my twenty years of firefighting I never had a spec reader crawling on hands and knees in heavy smoke calling out spec&#039;s, have you ever done it?

Didn&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just show up LT, that&#8217;s how a man backs up his words, I doubt that Rick would beat on a little man.</p>
<p>Doctors delois and woodie guess you don&#8217;t get it like many here like you out of ignorance, no one is asking for any special treatment. Is not being forced to pass throught a smoking area is special treatment? Is a few more bench&#8217;s around the one black bench that is that asking too much? Inside most of the huge glass doors can be made to open and close slowly, a lot less cost than replacing, add a few more seats inside reserved for the handicapped, boom, ninety percent is done. </p>
<p>Now woodie if I misunderstood your intent, I apologize, but if you&#8217;re are saying anyone that cannot walk a 100 yards, well they shouldn&#8217;t be out there. That&#8217;s bull, that means many handicapped are doing their very best to be independent. Minor changes, fix the sidewalk to be even, get rid of the smoking area, that one is really important to someone on O2, add some benchs for some can rest, reserve a few of the benchs for the handicapped. A phone and a bus stop protection for those handicapped people who cannot make the 100 yards to ask for assistance, to much is to ask?</p>
<p>Mr. woodie, if a handicapped person cannot walk a 100 yards, should they be taxed? If you say yes, than you must agree with most of the things I pointed out, do you not agree?</p>
<p>Michael H. Smith you&#8217;re so full of yourself you just maybe LT&#8217;s pappy. Smith spec&#8217;s mean nothing when you&#8217;re in a fire and in all of my twenty years of firefighting I never had a spec reader crawling on hands and knees in heavy smoke calling out spec&#8217;s, have you ever done it?</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t think so.</p>
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