Resident reveals building’s shortfalls to aid handicapped
Bruce Wilcox turned his portable oxygen tank up to its highest level before we left the parking lot. The Lilburn resident — a retired upstate New York firefighter — suffers from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Makes it hard to breathe. He e-mailed me recently because he wanted me to see what he thinks the handicapped, physically challenged or elderly residents wade through when they have business at the Gwinnett Justice and Administrative Center. Like he had recently.
When it comes to handicapped access, Wilcox thinks GJAC, located off Langley Drive in Lawrenceville, the county seat, leaves a lot to be desired. And it starts with the parking lot.
The handicapped spaces are located up front and center of the massive parking lot. The county building is a good football field’s walk away, across a street that the county closed as a post 9-11 safety measure. The walkway has intricate designs, not cobblestone, but something close.
“Deadly,” surmised Wilcox. “Have you ever tripped on one?”
The walkway winds straight through the middle of the smoking section. On a recent Thursday — and it was lunchtime — hardly a soul was around. On Wilcox’s previous visit, though, he said smokers were thick. “It is really, really an insult,” he said, “especially when you’re carrying an oxygen tank.”
We made our way across the closed and barricaded street and headed toward the building’s entrance. The middle set of doors are handicapped-accessible, via a button that must to be pressed. It was the only set of doors in the entire building that granted such access.
After we went through security, Wilcox needed to rest. The only three visible chairs available on the first floor were located near Probate Court. Nary a one was designated for the handicapped.
Once inside, you’re on your own to struggle with some heavy doors. You have to push the doors to enter and pull them to exit. People in wheelchairs, on walkers or who have other disabilities tend to have weak arms and legs, so the doors at the administrative center are more like barriers than gateways.
We caught the elevator to check out the upstairs, notably courtroom access. “Do you think someone could get a wheelchair through there?” Wilcox asked. He pointed to a door that would be a tight squeeze for a super model, much less a motorized chair.
When we took the elevator back downstairs, Wilcox talked about how grocery stores provide wheelchairs for shoppers. Maybe the administrative center should do likewise. Turned out, it does. Back on the first floor, he asked a sheriff’s deputy if any wheelchairs were available for the public to use. The polite female officer said there was one. She rushed off to get it before Wilcox could tell her that he was just inquiring.
Outside, we started back across the closed-off street and headed for the parking lot. Wilcox needed to rest, so we stopped at the only bench twixt the parking lot and entrance.
As he rested, we talked about the minor modifications that could be made in and around the building to grant better mobility. At one time, a vacant strip of property near the front of the center was the designated for handicapped parking.
All that changed after the 9-11 terrorist attacks. “I realize after 9-11 there had to be some steps taken,” Wilcox had written in his e-mail, “but this is a little over the top. Think about those in walkers and wheelchairs traveling in the rain that far. Handicapped parking is way too far from the building.”
For the good of the community, Wilcox hopes the county will consider: erecting more benches along the walkway and reserve some for the handicapped; adding more automatic doors; building a shelter or kiosk with a phone so residents in the parking lot can call the lobby and request a wheelchair or assistance, moving the smoking area.
“Please,” he said.
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LT5000
March 21st, 2009
12:12 pm
Would these be the same handicapped that Obama mocked on the Tonight Show. What a class act.
Give me a break on GJAC I’ve been there several times. It is a perfectly accessible building. The parking lot isn’t more than 100ft from the front door.
Figures Brucie would be the one whining about it.
He probably want the government to send a limo to his house and ferry him back and forth to GJAC.
Another stupid Blubbering Badie article contributed to by one of the most insipid poster here.
LT5000
Jill
March 21st, 2009
1:49 pm
served on jury duty and the parking is at least a football field, if not more, away from the building. It’s sad when smokers are closer to the building than the handcapped parking area, get rid of it like the hospital did. Some of those doors are heavy even for a healthy person, hate to try one from a wheelchair.
The article is right on Rick, sometimes we overlook the small things that help others.
Jarvis
March 21st, 2009
6:00 pm
So the handicap are not actually handicapable after all? I’m over 7′ tall, maybe they need to also start raising doorways and creating a set of stairs I can use where my feet don’t overlap 2 steps at once.
nana
March 21st, 2009
8:33 pm
I thought this article featured a fellow blogger. After reading LT’s post I guess it is. I hate that Bruce has this condition. My mom was diagnosed with COPD about 8 years before she passed. Mom was a smoker, not sure if that is why Bruce is suffering from this or not. Regardless is it a devastating disease.
It is a long ways from the parking lot to the doors of the Justice center and I can imagine it is very hard for people with this disease or any breathing issues for that matter.
Although I rarely agree with Bruce’s view on political issues, I am very sorry to hear you have this debilitating disease.
Cindy
March 21st, 2009
8:39 pm
It takes a really low person to make light of anyone less fortunate.
Number 1: Bruce didn’t say he couldn’t make the trip. He did it. Could it have been made better? Possibly. It’s a noble effort he’s making, as well as Badie, by mentioning it. This is a good story.
A person shouldn’t be disallowed to conduct business based on physical limitations.
Number 2: I am perfectly capable of walking. The last few times I’ve been to GJAC it was less than comfortable as well. I’m a woman. I generally wear some variance of high heels. Those grooves in the walkway really cause alot of discomfort for my otherwise healthy, normal feet.
Number 3: I got plenty wet. It was raining and I had my umbrella during the lengthy walk. Did I care? Nah, not really. I dried later. But now that I read this story, I can definitely understand how this could make an impact on someone who can’t get around so well.
Cindy
March 21st, 2009
9:15 pm
Ok, I did a little more thinking on the matter.
Courthouse security is for sure more important than ease of use. But at the same time, maybe there are some changes that can be made without compromising safety.
That’s all for now. I’m still mulling it over…
LT5000
March 22nd, 2009
12:13 am
This is just another stupid Badie blog bitching about another non issue. And he brings on Brucie the Anti-American halfwit who hates Georgia to buttress his case. Send Brucie back North, I’m sure every courthouse building is far more accessible than it is here in stupid, racist, backward Georgia.
Jill, you should go back to highschool. The parking lot is between 100 and 150ft from the building, not a football field. Feel free to use google satellite.
And there is a reason that they limit access to the building, as Cindy pointed out security.
if you are so infirm, I’m sure someone can bring a wheelchair outside for you.
And while Blubbering Badie blubbers on……
**Three illegal immigrant drug dealers who chained a man in a Gwinnett basement for a week have pleaded guilty to federal kidnapping charges.**
Please AJC give us someone who really writes about what is going on in Gwinnett. Fire Badie, he is an ass clown.
LT5000
LTheartsRB
March 22nd, 2009
12:25 am
LT, kisses to you and RB….I see that you are still trying to seduce him.
Cindy~go back under the rock..
Cindy
March 22nd, 2009
7:32 am
Acrually LTheartsRB, you can shove the rock up your butt. Crossways. Twice, for all I care. Newsflash…you don’t run me.
Patrick
March 22nd, 2009
7:58 am
Rick,
Citizens with disabilities have been using GJAC for years. Is it perfect for everyone – No. Probably Bush’s fault. Does it meet the accessibility requirement in the ADA – Yes. Probably due to Obama’s efforts. Move on.
Bubba
March 22nd, 2009
9:16 am
Citizens with disabilities have been using GJAC for years because they have to. It ain’t like they can take their business elsewhere.
I’m surprised more nonsmokers don’t resent having to run the gauntlet of smokers. Why not move the smoking area to the back of the building?
They tried “separate but equal” in another era. The difference here is that people with disabilities want to work with the system, rather than get hit with bottles, pipes and fire hoses. Government doesn’t meed to kiss the a$$ of the disabled and bring out gold-plated wheelchairs. They don’t need it, don’t want it really. Just a little wider door through which to get in and out, just a wider area between aisles through which to navigate, just a bigger area in which to do their personal “business” instead of embarrassing themselves and others by asking for help.
I’m sure Bruce would much rather not have to deal with the oxygen tank. A paraplegic would much rather not have to deal with a wheelchair. And every disabled person I know would much rather walk the length of a parking lot than have to use the handicapped parking. It’s like having to ride the little bus every day for “special” people. You people are morons if you think disabled actually want or need this kind of attention.
Fact is, disabled people pay taxes too. They pay their keep, just as healthy people do. They spend money for goods and services, just as healthy people do. They live and enjoy life, just as healthy people do. Their ability to enjoy life may be hampered by crap they have to carry – a wheelchair, a cane, an oxygen tank – but they enjoy life more because, despite this crap, they are alive. Those who don’t have disabilities haven’t faced the “you-might-not-live-through-this-experience” like the disabled have.
I hope that never happens to anyone. Although, I think it would be poetic justice to have to ask assistance from the one who only months ago was the subject of your insult and ridicule. That is, if one has the cojones to try to go on living.
RhondaG
March 22nd, 2009
9:42 am
Look, ya’ll, all they’d have to do is open up the closer lot for vehicles with handicapped plates or stickers. Put a couple more folks to work as parking attendants – guiding those without handicapped ID to the main lot and assessing the needs of others, as well as fielding them for any possible violent intents.
Heck, any delivery truck can drive right up to the loading dock in back. Wasting the space in the front section in the name of security is really kind of inane.
LT5000
March 22nd, 2009
12:04 pm
Rhonda,
There is a security gate to the back parking lot. Thanks for moronic comparison. Violent attacks in the GJAC parking lot? Pull your head out of your ass.
The point of the Blubbering Badie’s latest musings isn’t that the GJAC is without handicap access, but that it isn’t convenient enough for Brucie. Boo Hoo.
Apparently, Badie’s obesity made it hard for him to fit through a few doors and Brucie’s feeling were hurt that there wasn’t a mural of Karl Marx in the GJAC.
Please AJC get rid of Badie. His blogs serve no purpose.
LT5000
RhondaG
March 22nd, 2009
12:43 pm
LOL -5000; I can see by your lack of coherent reasoning processes that you don’t get out much and derive your viewpoints from sources like TV and Google, rather than being able to think for yourself.
Your arguments are embarrasingly moronic. The lack of access to this building is due to the Homeland Security measures taken during the post 9-11 Bush paranoia and, for your information, the back of the building is wide open.
If you ever actually stepped away from your Googling and viewed the real world, you would be exposed to the bigger picture. However, that is not to say you would recognize it without the ingrained prejudices you so proudly reveal.
Have a nice day, -5000.
LT5000
March 22nd, 2009
12:49 pm
Rhonda,
Please feel free to point out where I am wrong.
Point out any violent assaults in the GJAC parking lot.
Address the fact that there are restricted access checkpoint to get to the GJAC building loading docks.
The basis of your two moronic contentions immediately disappears.
9/11 was just Bush paranoia? Tell that to 3000 Americans who died that day. Or to the FBI, numerous terrorist plots that have been thwarted since.
I suggest you think before you post. It will help you stop looking like a dimwit. But you can only hide your idiocy for so long. As you have already proven.
LT5000
Mark
March 22nd, 2009
2:46 pm
LT5000, Next time you have a beer, hold it against the area where your heart is located. It will get cold real fast.
Bruce Wilcox
March 22nd, 2009
3:49 pm
LT, tell us when the last time was you used a walker or wheelchair at the Justice Center, if you say never, then as usual you haven’t a clue of what you’re talking about, is that not true? In your world a football field is 150 feet, small mind, small field.
Jais the tin foil is slipping that old paranoia is coming back.
Jais
March 22nd, 2009
6:58 pm
@ Cindy – Lawl!
Bruce Wilcox
March 22nd, 2009
7:35 pm
Jais, you have three three television stations and this paper loaded with investigative reporters, yet you want Rick in an opinion column to bring, what you believe as fact out? Try contacting those I mentioned above.
As far as the Justice Center, I’m glad you agree.
Bruce Wilcox
March 22nd, 2009
7:44 pm
A challenge to all those that dismiss the handicapped problems at the Justice Center to a real test. Contact Rick, I’m sure he’ll be able to find someone for a loaner walker and do the same route as I, than let’s hear your comments, any takers?
Michael H. Smith
March 22nd, 2009
9:21 pm
Where is written in the Constitution that majority must surrender their rights to the minority and have government protect those special set of rights for the minority?
As for the design of GJAC: I’ve seen worse.
Cindy
March 22nd, 2009
10:24 pm
FEMA camps popping up in Covington? WTH?
Michael H. Smith
March 22nd, 2009
10:47 pm
The question was actually a double edge sword. Since this is government property not private property, smoking should be prohibited because the majority of citizens in this county do not smoke. Got to light up to get that nicotine fix, then do it in your car or truck.
As for a couple of statements contained in this blog, they are really over exaggerated.
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The walkway has intricate designs, not cobblestone, but something close.
“Deadly,” surmised Wilcox. “Have you ever tripped on one?”
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I’ve walked on the front surfaces of GJAC and can say without reservation that anyone who would have trouble negotiating those surfaces would likely be challenged to negotiate most outdoor areas period.
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We caught the elevator to check out the upstairs, notably courtroom access. “Do you think someone could get a wheelchair through there?” Wilcox asked. He pointed to a door that would be a tight squeeze for a super model, much less a motorized chair.
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This one is really a hoot. I can tell you I’m no supermodel by anyone’s definition and I’ve yet to encounter a passageway door in GJAC I could not walk through comfortably.
While it is touching to read the outpouring of compassion and suggestions on what should be done, do keep in mind that when someone says pass the plate for a collection to pay for all of the wonder-world accommodating designs that those warm and fuzzy feelings usually disappear rather quickly: Then apart from public safety it becomes just somebody’s personal problem now doesn’t it; or a case of the majority surrendering to a minority a special set of rights?
Josh
March 22nd, 2009
11:46 pm
Me and my grandmother walked up the path to the top of Stone Mountain this weekend, and she just turned 90 5 months ago. She also took her walker since she had hip surgery a few months back. She didn’t bitch once, she’s a real trooper.
Josh
March 22nd, 2009
11:48 pm
I’ll add, that we did take the tram down though. I was worried she could fall on the steep parts. It’s a lot easier to lose your footing coming down, but still.
reader
March 22nd, 2009
11:58 pm
Why is this topic being discussed in a blog? Did Mr. Wilcox file a complaint with the GJAC? Has someone else filed a complaint that was ignored? Was the GJAC contacted for comment? This does not mean I am unsympathetic to Mr. Wilcox’s predicament or those of other physically challenged citizens. I just don’t like to see a point debated from only one side. I tend to agree with a lot of the points made by Bubba. I have elderly parents and their safety is a concern, although they would never have occasion to visit GJAC. Perhaps citizens like Mr. Wilcox should sit on advisory boards and make recommendations, do something productive? I don’t think this is the forum to do it, unless concerns have been addressed with the appropriate parties and ignored.
The pavement sounds like poor planning and lack of foresight. My mother tripped on a similar pavement in the town where she lives. Those “stone” walkways are up and down the boulevard there, and are a hindrance to all in inclement weather. In my mother’s case, she was averting a small snowbank along the curb where the walkway had been cleared. The “stones” are not easy to walk on unless you are wearing flat shoes. It is easy to lose your footing, especially if you are not steady on your feet. Let’s face it, the general population is aging.
To the poster who who talked about post 9/11 paranoia: Have you been to NYC to see the hole in the ground where those two magnificent towers once stood? Have you ever met a survivor or a family member of one who perished on that fateful day? You may be insulated and unafftected by the events of that day, except for some inconveniences, but that experience was very real and people don’t want to experience it ever again.
LT5000
March 23rd, 2009
12:00 am
Brucie. Take your commie ass back north. I’m sure they have all the amenities you demand.
By the way, a football field is 100 yards. That isn’t 150 feet. I guess Brucie’s 3rd grade education comes back to haunt him.
Brucie’s whine wasn’t that the building wasn’t accessible, it wasn’t convenient enough for his candyass. Brucie wants every architect to consult him prior to building anything so it will be convenient for him.
Boo-Hoo. Cry me a friggin’ river.
LT5000
Bruce Wilcox
March 23rd, 2009
12:12 am
Smith, the Constitution is designed to give the very same rights as the majority enjoys to the minorities of this country. One who cannot understand the Constitution cannot understand a woman’s right to vote or understand the Civil Rights Movement. Those who want to live where powered wigs are the fashion and in live years of olde, fine, this is realty. Like voting, all should have equal access.
As far as the sidewalk, if you happen to be in a walker it is very dangerous. Now think of it as the construction expert, as well as so many fields you happen to be an expert in, after time certain times sections start to fail, is that not true? I like this statement, “would likely be challenged to negotiate most outdoor areas period” no moosedung, but I’ll tell you it’s a lot easier to go a market around here with flat surfaces than it is going to the Justice Center.
Smith as far as statements this has to be the best,”This one is really a hoot. I can tell you I’m no supermodel by anyone’s definition and I’ve yet to encounter a passageway door in GJAC I could not walk through comfortably.”, tell me, what part of wheelchair confused you?
Pure ignorance from blowhard Smith, dare to take the challenge?
Michael H. Smith
March 23rd, 2009
12:36 am
Wilcox, I’ll end this quickly for you, since you don’t understand the Constitution and equal rights. You have the same doors and surfaces I have at GJAC. That is equal rights!
Now stupid dumb-A-hole Brucie, say you don’t.
Michael H. Smith
March 23rd, 2009
12:44 am
No thank you reader, on Brucie setting the design requiremnets for buildings. I’m not about to pay for 48” and 56” fire rated automatic opening doors throught public buildings to just to satisfy crying Brucie’s stupid dumb A hole idea of a good building.
Bruce Wilcox
March 23rd, 2009
12:55 am
reader, this is the first time I’ve been back since 2004, at that time and not that far from 9/11, you could park in the front Handicapped parking lot next the building. This crap was done in 2006 come to fine out, seems like we missed a few years?
This is good, “Perhaps citizens like Mr. Wilcox should sit on advisory boards and make recommendations, do something productive?”, really now, where the GJAC?
The Americans With Disabilities Act was passed in 1977 and it covered construction. Should I file a complaint with the Federal governmentor should I file a complaint with the County or state?
I thought the Power of the Press would put the spotlight on the problems and let the county do it’s best to correct the problems would be the best way to go, but maybe you’re right, start filing complaints.
Bruce Wilcox
March 23rd, 2009
1:06 am
Smith, are you really saying all the laws that HAVE been based on the Constitution that were passed and approved by Whigs, Republicans and Democrats, approved by the Supremes, which means they met Constitutional muster are all wrong? That Lou and you are right?
Michael H. Smith
March 23rd, 2009
1:21 am
Wilcox, is that crap you just posted an answer or more blathering whine for your special rights reqiuiremnets? On that do you and jesse think you are right?
Equal rights does not mean equal wants, grow up and accept that fact. Because you have a problem does not mean the world shares your problem and must comply with your wants or demands.
Bruce Wilcox
March 23rd, 2009
1:39 am
Smith, it goes likes this, someone writes a Bill, both house’s vote and approve it, the President signs it and it becomes law. The Americans With Disabilities Act, as I pointed out has been around since 1977, I had nothing to do with it’s passage.
Now lets see if you want to back up this statement, “Equal rights does not mean equal wants, grow up and accept that fact. Because you have a problem does not mean the world shares your problem and must comply with your wants or demands.”, would you say that to a disabled Marine back from Iraq, we share the same parking places?
Michael H. Smith
March 23rd, 2009
2:09 am
Wilcox, I’ve read the ADA requirements on passage doors if you think you have something go for it. I seriuosly doubt that you do.
As to your question since I can answer and YOU can’t when asked A-hole: That depends on the extent of disablity, though, I personally don’t have a problem with up front parking for those who “really physically” need it. So you bet I’d say it where the person didn’t really physically need it for their own “safety”(referring back to my original post). But even that “special parking privilege” is being extremely abuse by those whose only disablities are mental and sorry laziness.
Your complaint on doors and the paving is junk.
T
March 23rd, 2009
6:20 am
I worked for the engineering firm that helped build GJAC in 1986. While we were laying out the parking lot I felt it was a long way from the building. It is actually 150 feet to the first H/C lots, (if memory serves me correctly) and close to 500 feet to the parking spaces the longest distance away.
I also believe that the heavy doors inside of the courthouse are unnecessary. To me, most of them serve no real purpose. When you walk in on the first floor and turn right, why do they even have doors there? Maybe something to do with the heating and air is all I can figure. When you go through those doors you don’t have to go through security, this is the development and transportation departments.
I was recently in a large courthouse in another state. It was not as large as GJAC but laid out much more friendly for disabled people. I took my 86-year-old (disabled war vet) father with me to the courthouse. He had no trouble navigating the courthouse because, the H/C parking was very close to the door. The sidewalk was smooth, no heavy doors to open and the main doors opened automatically.
I like and appreciate the article Rick. I believe that Gwinnett County needs to make some changes to GJAC. Maybe this article and discussion will make that happen.
Bubba
March 23rd, 2009
7:57 am
“But even that “special parking privilege” is being extremely abuse by those whose only disablities are mental and sorry laziness.” I agree this happens. The other night, two people got out of their “handicapped label” car at the parking lot at Outback. What their disability was, I have no idea.
Does that mean, though, that because some abuse the privilege, the privilege should be denied to all? Would one even consider denying such a space to a person in need a “privilege?”
I agree, Michael, that freedom of choice goes a long way toward countermanding the argument that all places need to be accessed to all people. Don’t like Kroger? Shop at Publix, or Trader Joe’s. The boutique in Norcross isn’t set up well for wheelchairs? Shop at Kohl’s.
However, if the government has business that requires my attention, then I must have access to that building. The Supreme Court recently found for a plaintiff in Tennessee who has put in jail for contempt of court. He had court business, but as a paraplegic, he couldn’t climb the stairs to the third floor courthouse. No parking, no elevator. He was put in jail because he couldn’t overcome the physical obstacles put before him to to meet his legal obligation of attending his summons.
Tennessee made your argument. “Because you have a problem does not mean the world shares your problem and must comply with your wants or demands..” Tennessee lost that argument.
Would you deny access to Stephen Hawking because the world doesn’t meet his wants or demands?
Joey
March 23rd, 2009
8:30 am
Let’s be real, Stephen Hawking wouldn’t complain about it. He’s more of a “just get it done” kind of a guy. Some people tackle their obstacles, others just whine and complain about them until someone else tackles them for them.
Bubba
March 23rd, 2009
10:24 am
“Some people tackle their obstacles, others just whine and complain about them until someone else tackles them for them.” Agreed. So, Joey, do you fall in the category of “disabled who tackles their obstacles” or do you fall in the category of “disabled who whines and complains?”
Or, do you fall in the category of “perfectly healthy who doesn’t understand or really care about what people are tackling or whining?” If you fall into the third heading, so be it. I won’t begrudge you your health, and I can honestly say that I hope it never becomes an issue with which you have to contend. I mean that.
Talk to the woman who was left a paraplegic because she was an innocent bystander shot in a drug deal gone bad. Talk to the man who lost his legs because he was sideswiped by a drunk driver. I guarantee you that a vast majority of disabled people 1). Wish that it never happened to them 2). Would give anything to be “normal” again and 3). Will not let their circumstances dictate how they lead their lives. A vast majority of the disabled are “just get it done” people. To give up is to die.
So what’s wrong with a few suggestions on how to make a government building more accessible to all tax paying citizens?
LT5000
March 23rd, 2009
10:39 am
Bubba you are an idiot.
The building is accessible as defined by the ADA. Brucie and Badie are whining because it wasn’t convenient for them.
Badie’s obesity made it difficult for him to walk the 150ft to the front door and then fit through it.
Bruice wanted a Limosine with crushed velvet seats to ferry him to the building while providing him with a double mocha latte. All on the taxpayer dime of course.
What’s next for Brucie the Whiny Anti-American. Will he and Lard Ass Badie go to the DMV and whine about the long lines?
Perhaps they will go to a Braves Games and complain there wasn’t a “Stair Glide” to escort them to their seats.
Hey Badie, how about your hero Obama mocking the Special Olympics? When will we see that blog?
Hey Brucie, how about those Obama Trillion dollar deficits? So much for Hope and Change. More like Dope and Change.
Another moronic Blubbering Badie Blog.
LT5000
Rick Badie
March 23rd, 2009
11:36 am
LT: I work out four days a week, dude. I weigh 220 and can bench my weight. Routinely. I box a little, too. Lemme know when you’re ready, bro. Gold’s Gym Lilburn. See ya there.
Mark
March 23rd, 2009
12:30 pm
Rick, he won’t be there because his keyboard won’t work there. He’s simply a child, verbally abusing people via a blog, because he has no balls to say it to your face.
Steve
March 23rd, 2009
12:40 pm
haha Rick has called out LT. That’s awesome! Game on!
LT5000
March 23rd, 2009
12:41 pm
Rick,
If you are such a hard ass thug, why are you afraid to do a ride along with the Gwinnett Police? I would expect such a tough guy to be able to make it across GJAC parking lot without crying like a little girl.
I use to box as well, but I’m a bit out of your weight class, by about 80 pounds. But I would be willing to give you a few rounds, the day after you actually write a blog worth reading.
LT5000
Rick Badie
March 23rd, 2009
1:01 pm
Yeah, right.
Bikerchick
March 23rd, 2009
1:01 pm
“I use to box as well, but I’m a bit out of your weight class, by about 80 pounds. But I would be willing to give you a few rounds, the day after you actually write a blog worth reading.”
What I’d be more interested in, is a contest that we can all watch and enjoy, like say, maybe LT writing a blog for a couple of weeks?
Rick Badie
March 23rd, 2009
1:06 pm
Bikerchik: Come on, now. You’re asking way too much of Mr. LT. But if LT is up for it, I’ll turn over this space to him for a few days. Problem is: No nicknames or monikers. Use your real name and we’ll post a photo of him. Or her.
Bubba
March 23rd, 2009
1:07 pm
sniff…. sniff…. Smells like chicken s**t around here, doesn’t it?
LT5000
March 23rd, 2009
1:35 pm
Rick,
Run it past your editors. It would be the first article worth reading in the AJC in more than a decade.
It might even stem the tide of Red Ink the AJC is bleeding day after day.
Since I live in Norcross and would undoubtedly be addressing the illegal immigrant issue, for safety reasons I may have to use a nom de plume.
Though Rick, I won’t be asking you to be my private escort, my car gets bad enough gas mileage as it is.
LT5000
Bikerchick
March 23rd, 2009
1:44 pm
“Since I live in Norcross and would undoubtedly be addressing the illegal immigrant issue, for safety reasons I may have to use a nom de plume.”
So who’s the real “little girl” here? Come on LT, I live a couple of blocks from the house where the illegal immigrant drug dealers held a guy hostage in the basement. I’m also an “obese” middle-aged female and I’d be willing to do a blog about illegal immigration AND post my real name with a photo. So what’s your problem?
LT5000
March 23rd, 2009
2:26 pm
If it were just me, it wouldn’t be a problem. But I have a family.
I think we all know what absolute unscrupulous scumbags the Mexican gangs are.
Bikerchick, if you want to post your name and photo and rail against the illegals, you go right ahead. But I wouldn’t be surprised in La Raza paid a visit to your home.
You certainly can’t count on the government to help you.
LT5000
Rick Badie
March 23rd, 2009
2:31 pm
LT — and you know this — we don’t use fake names. Bye.
nana
March 23rd, 2009
2:46 pm
Oh boy it’s getting interesting now.
Bikerchick
March 23rd, 2009
2:49 pm
LT, I have a family too and I didn’t say I would “rail against the illegals”, I said I’d do a blog on illegal immigration. So, if La Raza is reading the Rick Badie blog every day, then why not do a blog on something other than illegal immigration? Here’s some sample topics for you LT. How about the state of education in Gwinnett and how illegal immigration has impacted our schools? No railing, just actual facts? How about how illegal immigration has affected wages in the county? How has it impacted and changed the construction industry? How about illegal immigration vs. legal immigration? The topics are endless LT……pick one…….or shut up.
Mark
March 23rd, 2009
3:39 pm
Bubba, I smell it too.
LT5000, Don’t let that alligator mouth get your little bunny azz in trouble. Rick called you out, and you turned yellow in the belly. Take your wife’s underwear off and be a man about it. If not, I suggest to Rick to ban you from this blog.
Michael H. Smith
March 23rd, 2009
4:58 pm
@Bubba
Okay Bubba picking up on your However. First the Tennessee case is obviously in violation of code with respects to the ADA Act and is therefore pardon the expression irrelevant to GJAC which had to meet the code requirements under the ADA Act 1977. (which has more to do with public and personal safety than convenience)
You also didn’t include or take into consideration my original statement so the court decision as you cite is not against my complete argument. I made specific reference to a person’s safety did I not? Check your facts first before reaching the wrong conclusions.(go back an read my original post- “apart from safety”) Anytime public safety or a person’s safety is in put in jeopardy, are you following me Bubba, then government is obligated to do whatever is within the powers of government to protect that person’s or the public’s safety from harm, otherwise no, the world nor the government shares or has any responsibility for someone’s wants demands or personal problems. Try that argument before the court, I believe I’ll win. Bear in mind there is no such things as unlimited rights for anyone, period – citing Justice Scalia.
@ T
I think if you reflect a moment it may come to you why the heavy doors are there and the purpose they serve. Doors like those in GJAC usually (I said usually might as well have been always) have to comply not only with width of opening for access but they must also be “fire rated” in every case I’ve seen, again that is government’s obligation to protect life from harm. Lighter doors I’m sure by now are on the market that would in all likelihood meet the fire ratings to code. As to the parking lot issue: Only wheelchairs would have somewhat of a valid claim, though access might be improved it is not necessary to have smooth surfaces, in fact such smooth surfaces could pose safety hazards of their own under inclement weather conditions; so even that is a toss up. The main doors did at least at one time open automatically. In the overall GJAC is a good and safe build that anyone could access and certainly access all areas with assistance, which is available during normal business hours.
To summarize my point on the cobbled pattern concrete sidewalks: Wilcox made a mountain out of a molehill.
See that Molehill Brucie? Ever tripped on that Mountain? Deadly!
Brucie people with very good legs in very good health trip over their own feet when they are not careful on very smooth concrete floors without any bumps. Nothing, not even government, can replace personal responsibility for one’s own personal safety.
BTW Brucie I work with a Nam Vet who’s 50% disabled, I told about that little cheap comment meant as a trap you used and he agreed with me and my reply. In fact though he could get a handicap tag or sticker he refuses to because he really doesn’t need one. You see, he like so many other Vets I know, both he and they don’t get into pity me or being patronized with cheap pity and most of these kids you talk about coming back from Iraq, even some of the amputees can out run me and kick mine and your butts any day of the week. And, that wouldn’t be anything but a warm-up exercise for them!
@Badie
Rick, man you trip me out. LOL
LT5000
March 23rd, 2009
4:59 pm
MArk,
Yellow? Give me a break. I asked Badie to do a real Blog and I will do a few rounds with him. When he skips a couple Denny’s Grandslam breakfasts and does a ride along with the police, he can blog about it and I will meet him in the ring.
If it takes a boxing match with Blubbering Badie to make him actually write a salient article, then so be it. He can even have Brucie as a back up.
Biker Skank. I willing to bet the Illegal immigrants in your neighborhood probably keep the front yard of their trailer in better shape than you.
And While Blubbering Badie blubbers on. Here in sunny Norcross:
**JESUS BENITEZ-MENDOZA
1119 HAMPTON RIDGE DR
NORCROSS GA 30093**
**Admitted: 3/22/2009 7:45 PM**
**Charges: CHILD MOLESTATION/AGG CHILD MOLES**
Anyone
LT5000
Bubba
March 23rd, 2009
5:27 pm
Michael,
The ADA – Ani Discrimination Act – was signed into law by Jimmy Carter in 1977. The ADA – Americans with Disabilities Act – was signed into law by George Bush in 1990.
Which one are we talking about?
Bikerchick
March 23rd, 2009
5:37 pm
Dynapac LT5000-9 – 9″ x 13″ Vibratory Rammer for Soil w/ Honda GX100, 3.0 HP Gas Powered Engine
This rammer is suitable for compacting soil in trenches, around poles and in restricted spaces. It has been designed to comply with contractors’ highest demands in terms of efficiency, simplicity and operator’s comfort.
It even comes with your name on it LT!! Enjoy, Bikerchick
Laughing
March 23rd, 2009
7:18 pm
Game, set, match, LT–you are the loser. Step up, dude. Put your name and picture on a blog—-Rick has given you the space. Coward.
Steve
March 23rd, 2009
7:40 pm
Rick, I may get annoyed at your blogs and express as much in my responses, but today I have built a new admiration for you. Although I’m still going to complain on your blogs.
Michael H. Smith
March 23rd, 2009
8:08 pm
ADA of 1977 (The Americans With Disabilities Act of 1977) which is the one that would apply to GJAC since it was constrcuted proir to The ADA – Americans with Disabilities Act – was signed into law by George Bush in 1990. (If you are not aware of “grandfathering” as it apply to construction I’ll go into that if necessary, though I don’t think it is needed in this case it may explain itself later on)
However, here is what I reviewed last night: ADA Accessibility Guidelines for Buildings and Facilities, which is more current and likely the stricter to comply with (see the dates in: about this edition) . From what I read on door opening access requirements GJAC would stand up against Brucie’s compliants about his “supermodel” being unable to get through the door. He hasn’t a legal leg to stand on as I recall the passageway doors widths in GJAC, IMHO.
See – 4.13.5 Clear Width. Doorways shall have a minimum clear opening of 32 in (815 mm) with the door open 90 degrees.
And do review all exceptions where and as they apply under grandfathering clause.
Here’s the link(if it posts):
http://www.access-board.gov/adaag/html/adaag.htm
Oh, and while I was thumbing through my memory, there are much lighter fire rated doors on the market today, the inner core is made of wheat straw.
Rick Badie
March 23rd, 2009
8:59 pm
Steve: You are free to express your opinion whenever you feel the need. I have no problem with that. Opinions are what makes the world go round. Everybody has one. PEACE, man. Be safe.
LT5000
March 23rd, 2009
9:24 pm
Bring the blog on. Rick has my email.
It certainly would be a step up. And I promise (Not an Obama promise either), no moronic blogs about Human Trumpets or chauffering around the anti-American Brucie Wilcox.
LT5000
Bruce Wilcox
March 23rd, 2009
10:29 pm
Smith, the requirement you cite fits my arguement perfectly,” 4.13.5 Clear Width. Doorways shall have a minimum clear opening of 32 in (815 mm) with the door open 90 degrees.”. The doors do not meet the standard, due to the fact the heavy solid wood doors open up against the wall, thus taking say four inches off the opening. now the average standard manual wheelchair with an 18 inch seat will generally have an overall width of 24.5 to 26.5 inches. As a rule, the overall width of the chair tends to be approximately seven to nine inches wider than the seat. If you’re measuring for door clearance you’ll also want to add a few inches to each side, to leave room for hands and knuckles. Add to it that is approaching it dead on which can’t be done. Remember these were the second floor Courtrooms, have they been moved or updated since 1977? Grand fathering my ass.
About those “cobbled pattern concrete”, they’re interlocking concrete patio blocks divided by rough cement curbs, tell me, as the expert you are on everything, over time would not sections settle?
Glass doors are fire rated in Georgia even when they don’t reach the floor?
Simple solutions are right there and cheap, hope the commissioners are reading.
LT, you been called out and chicken out as far as I can see. Did you ever have the cajones? You ever want to call me out, hell, I can take off the O2 long enough to handle wimps.
As far as the link Smith provided, it is the site to be used, BUT, everytime they tell you to check out another updated link, it would take you days. There are over 250,000 words in the rules. Smith just used the one that worked for him.
Jais I’ll be in touch.
Rick, if you need a corner man I’m sure you’ll find a lot of volunteers.
Michael H. Smith
March 23rd, 2009
11:59 pm
You took measurements Wilcox or guessing is what you are doing? Heavy doors has nothing to do with how wide they will open, can the doors swing the full 90 degrees in order to take a correct measure?
One other thing Brucie, you didn’t read very much into the guidelines did you? The reason I ask is because there is more than the minimum to compliance than what I cited to consider but you wouldn’t know that or what I’m talking about, gasbag.
Yep grandfathering your ass Brucie and Wilcox grandfathering applies to the rules and makes exceptions to the rules, did you check that or again, as usual, you just choose to blow off at your big mouth thinking you are winning an argument when you are bluffing?
Do glass doors and floors shift and settle over time in Georgia, Wilcox?
You bet everything settles and shifts Brucie who thinks he knows everything in construction and by his own big mouth says he was a firefighter. Kind of out of your element aren’t you to access expertise in construction there aren’t you smoky?
Did you mention to anyone at GJAC that those concrete sections where extremely uneven and posed a safety hazard? Oh, excuse me, you chose to do that now on this blog?
You didn’t read very well did you, Wilcox?
What I’m using is updated guidelines, have you got guidelines from 1977 or updates to the timeframe in which GJAC was built? Remember the dates this covers and applies to, everything preceding the updated timeframe Wilcox, is grandfathered, regardless of your ass. Howbeit, instead of being dumb, do what I said, check those exceptions to the rules before you shoot off your mouth and complain because you as an expert in assessing someone’s expertise, who is only now figuring out how things actually work in the construction business and it does take days Brucie, even for the experts to cover all the bases but you are too lazy to do homework or research so you blame me by saying I chose the one that works for me and Wilcox, your own words just hung chump.
You can’t prove I chose the one that works for me because you haven’t read the over 250,000 words as you say that is in the rules to know if that is the only one that does works. There you go again, lying like a rug!
Solutions are not as cheap as you think Brucie and some fixes are impractical or very costly or present “structural problems”. See Brucie, I do read and research things like blueprints and spec books, make request to architects for more information (RFIs) which might and does take days at times to get an answer back from the experts to clarify things. Things, that sometimes changes because someone in the field like me caught something that needs to be changed in order for things to work or remain in compliance.
If you think you’ve really got something Brucie shut up, put up and sue. As I said I seriously doubt you do have anything but mouth or GJAC would never have passed final inspection with respects to the code in force at that time.
Bruce Wilcox
March 24th, 2009
2:32 am
Smith your updates go as far as 2002, guess you didn’t bother to read it to well, hint, it’s the very first sentence.
‘Fire Doors’, are suppose to close and/or protect an area, for a limited amount of time yet you ask, “Do glass doors and floors shift and settle over time in Georgia, Wilcox?”, simple answer is yes. Since it’s yes, as you agree, are they still code rated fire doors? Don’t worry, many firefighters laugh at the idea that anything has the fire rating it did when the building was built.
As far as knowledge of construction, I worked as a carpenter’s helper on the Nine Mile Point Nuke Plant, took courses at both the National & New York Fire Academy’s. Plus as a Ladderman I had step on roofs to see if they were safe to ventilate, (thats to release the gases for the engine company can attack the seat of the fire) WE had/have to know construction to survive, not by specs, but by feel and experience.
Any questions duke?
Common Sense (Not so common!)
March 24th, 2009
8:42 am
~**BOOOooorrrrriiinnnggg!~
delois
March 24th, 2009
9:40 am
Over 30 years ago, I was literally run over by a city bus – everything below my waist was broken, along with one of my hands, had some neck and back injuries as well and now arthritis has set in everywhere. I spent months in the hospital and then 3 months learning to walk again. I am in pain every day of my life but I work full time and try to lead as normal a life as I can. I am borderline COPD as well but I brought that on myself by smoking in my youth. I have to go to GJAC all the time and I enjoy the walk (except in the rain but you get wet at the malls, etc. too). I am sick and tired of all you people whining about how somebody constantly needs to accomodate your needs. There are legitimately handicapped people and they should be accomodated but having to breath a little harder because you have to walk a short distance is not that bad. Sorry, I know what I am talking about.
Threadkiller
March 24th, 2009
9:49 am
Boy, Some of you guys need a Woman!
Jais
March 24th, 2009
3:07 pm
REPENT! THE FIRES OF HELL AWAIT THE SINNERS!
What?????
March 24th, 2009
3:38 pm
Badie, you not only look like a thug, I guess you really are. Classy man!
Jais
March 24th, 2009
3:44 pm
FEMA FEMA FEMA FEMA someone do a story on the camps go go go go
woodie
March 24th, 2009
4:40 pm
I read this thing and I didn’t see any issues. Everything was handicap accessible. If you can’t make it 100 yards, you need somebody to help you. That’s the bottom line. Handicap people gotta have some kind of capabilities to get around unaided. More serious handicaps require assistance.
Michael H. Smith
March 24th, 2009
5:22 pm
Brucie or Mr. Carpenter’s helper that took classes read this again, this time word for word slowly so you might pick up on something, because you and I don’t read the same things and yes, I did read the first sentence that is why “I told you there was more than just the minimum of 4.13.5.” . Still laughing, see fig 1.? Now who didn’t read too well? Go back and take construction classes Brucie, you flunked. Thaaaank You!
4.13.5 Clear Width. Doorways shall have a minimum clear opening of 32 in (815 mm) with the door open 90 degrees. The door can’t open you say because it is too heavy? Not buying that line. But tell me what is the actual door measure, do you know? According to your little wheelchair ditty it would be 32″ is that right? Hint: “Clear Width”. If you have a 32″ door which would fit your wheelchair example, there’s no way you can get to a 32″ “Clear Width” opening, next commonly used stock door size up is 36″ which is the least that would give you what is needed to comply and that should accommodate your wheelchair example, provided the door opens as it must to the full 90 degrees. See you flunked reading too, the way I read the requirements. The door can’t be 32″; it will have to be larger than that to get a Clear Width opening of 32″. Door placement would also be a factor if the door is located near a wall per fig 1. to get that 36” continuous requirement as shown. In short Brucie what is being called for are actual door sizes lager than 32”. As I remember single doors that access the rooms at GJAC are larger than 32”.
Needless to say Brucie and I can’t say it enough, the guidelines in discussion now do not apply to GJAC they are years in advance of the facility’s construction, only guidelines that existed when GJAC was built would apply including State and County code. And don’t forget what I said about passing inspection.
Back to my counter claim to your BS about the supermodel: The doors at GJAC would accommodate any supermodel I can think of, since most are skin and bones anyway. If you’re going to make a case Brucie try sticking to the facts instead of exaggeration to the point of lying like hell.
And Brucie while your laughing about the fire code, keep laughing, because we in the construction business know that things that may be in code today probably won’t be in code before any building settling ever occurs. Code is constantly under review and updated from time to time that is why there is “grandfathering” clauses.
If I think of anything pertaining to fires I might ask a question. If it has to do with construction I’ll ask someone smarter on the subject than myself and that someone isn’t you Brucie.
Regular Joe
March 24th, 2009
5:45 pm
Rick Badie
LT: I work out four days a week, dude. I weigh 220 and can bench my weight. Routinely. I box a little, too. Lemme know when you’re ready, bro. Gold’s Gym Lilburn. See ya there.
Did LT accept the challenge? When is bout?
Regular Joe
March 24th, 2009
5:47 pm
When is “the” bout. Sorry
Rick Badie
March 24th, 2009
8:29 pm
Regular Joe: No bout. No blog. Next chapter. (But who do you think would have won, bro?)
LT5000
March 24th, 2009
10:10 pm
REgular Joe. Read above.
Keep in mind I would I would be giving up 80lbs. But it would be worth it to get a salient blog.
LT5000
Bruce Wilcox
March 25th, 2009
12:09 am
Just show up LT, that’s how a man backs up his words, I doubt that Rick would beat on a little man.
Doctors delois and woodie guess you don’t get it like many here like you out of ignorance, no one is asking for any special treatment. Is not being forced to pass throught a smoking area is special treatment? Is a few more bench’s around the one black bench that is that asking too much? Inside most of the huge glass doors can be made to open and close slowly, a lot less cost than replacing, add a few more seats inside reserved for the handicapped, boom, ninety percent is done.
Now woodie if I misunderstood your intent, I apologize, but if you’re are saying anyone that cannot walk a 100 yards, well they shouldn’t be out there. That’s bull, that means many handicapped are doing their very best to be independent. Minor changes, fix the sidewalk to be even, get rid of the smoking area, that one is really important to someone on O2, add some benchs for some can rest, reserve a few of the benchs for the handicapped. A phone and a bus stop protection for those handicapped people who cannot make the 100 yards to ask for assistance, to much is to ask?
Mr. woodie, if a handicapped person cannot walk a 100 yards, should they be taxed? If you say yes, than you must agree with most of the things I pointed out, do you not agree?
Michael H. Smith you’re so full of yourself you just maybe LT’s pappy. Smith spec’s mean nothing when you’re in a fire and in all of my twenty years of firefighting I never had a spec reader crawling on hands and knees in heavy smoke calling out spec’s, have you ever done it?
Didn’t think so.
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GJAC employee
March 25th, 2009
9:44 am
LT, you’re the idiot. There is no security gate at the loading dock at GJAC. Any truck can back right up to the loading dock. I know, because I’ve done it. Getting into the building from the loading dock is a different matter, however. The only “security gate” is the gated access into the employee parking deck. I navigated GJAC in a cast with a broken foot several years ago and I don’t ever care to do it again. That was when the handicapped parking was actually next to the building.
As for the relocation of the handicapped parking spots in the front of the building, it was not done right after 9/11, it was several YEARS later.
Smoking is prohibited within 20 feet of the entrance doors to GJAC. Employees are not allowed to smoke anywhere but in their own personal vehicles. Used to be a smoking area on the patio out back behind the cafeteria, but access changed when the metal detectors were put in coming from the employee parking area, and now the building is supposed to be smoke free anyway.
As to the distance from the parking lot, it’s still a hike from the handicapped spots out front to the front door. My son uses a walker to get around, but we’d have to put him in his wheelchair due to the distance and those stupid stones at the entrance. Walker wheels get snagged in the cracks way too easily.
something all of you well-mannered commenters should keep in mind is that any disability is going to have different effects on different people. COPD will not affect Bruce the same way in affects someone else, and everyone will have good days and bad days. Until you’ve been in their shoes, you don’t know what they are dealing with and what their actual limitations are.
As for handicapped parking spaces….it’s not just the proximity to the door that’s an issue. You need space next to the vehicle to unload a wheelchair or a walker or whatever other medical equipment that’s coming along, and regular spaces don’t have that.
And I know LT will have something inane to fire back at me, which is fine, because I’m not coming back to read it.
Michael H. Smith
March 25th, 2009
4:07 pm
Brucie you really need to get over dumb yourself. Sore losers come up with anything rather than admit they lost. Pride can really be a down fall of a person. Delois stole all your thunder Brucie. You gotta love it when a phony liberal agenda falls apart. I mean, just saying.
Oh and Brucie when you build things to spec, sometimes that 1 or 2 hour fire rated door or wall that someone didn’t know about or ever cared to read about in a spec book, means they are alive to tell about the fire they escaped.
Bruce Wilcox
March 25th, 2009
11:13 pm
Smith
Delois and yourself should really read the article again, please point out where I said it was for me? I turned up the O2, made it inside, walked around and talked sa bit as I pointed out what could/should be done. I had to rest on the way back to the parking lot, lucky for me the only bench was empty. Both your attacks make you look like the fools you are.
GJAC employee, the smoking area I’m pointing out is around the monument out front, just before the “NO SMOKING PASS THIS POINT” sign. I don’t know if they’re employee’s or visitors, but those special butt collectors are/were, hopefully have been removed, are there.
To really nit-pick, the Handicapped Parking sign coming in has the old arrow pointing staight ahead which would lead some poor soul to run into the safety shield, which means you must be a terrorist. The sign hasn’t been changed since the county decided it was a main target in 2006.
You see delois and smith, your kind knowledge goes down with one flush, well smiths usally takes two.
Pete
March 26th, 2009
6:56 pm
LT5000 – I just downloaded Google Earth to this laptop as I did not have it on this one. I would hope that it would be accurate. According to this latest version, it is about 266 feet from the front door to the edge of the bottom of the circle of the parking lot. To the closest handicapped parking space is another 79 feet or so for a total of 385 feet. These numbers are off by a few feet as I cannot determined the exact entrance to the building from the image Google has but for this discussion it is probably close enough. In any event, this is at least twice as far as you claimed.
Jais – This is blog about Gwinnet County. Covington is Newton County which is not even contiguous to Gwinnett. While the FEMA issue might need to be investigated, I fail to see why an opinion column about Gwinnett County should be held accountable for something going on 2 counties away.
To all that think that Rick replied with a challenge to fight, think again. It could lead to him losing his job. Anyone can use his name as their name on her. Further, when Rick legitimately replies, his name is highlighted in a different color. Just FYI.
My personal observation is that it is indeed a long way to the building for someone with a disability. I served on an extended jury assignement for a while in a cast for a broken foot and felt the uneven pavement and distance were issues. I agree that everyone reacts to a disability in a different way. I became much more sensitive to the issue as my father progressed from a cane to a walker to a wheelchair prior to his death and my own experiences. I’m a fairly big guy and understand how the internal doors could be an issue for someone with a disability.
Regarding the pavers, I know of a large local University that had to change the style of brick used in walking areas because of issues for women’s shoes. I don’t think us guys should comment on the suitability until we literally walk a mile in their shoes, in this case shoes with small area heels.
Amazing the lack of civility exhibited here! I fail to understand why those of you that are so adamant about Rick’s columns exert the effort to read and then argue so energetically and viscously. I guess it is the only forum some of you have or can ever hope to have. In any event, it is my opinion that you can and should argue factual errors but opinions are just that. I personally find Rick’s columns mostly entertaining and often educational and informative.
Just my $.02.
Michael H. Smith
March 27th, 2009
8:08 pm
Oh it was definitely partly for yourself hypocrite, don’t lie Wilcox. Oh and by the way, several peopled hinted, rather all but asked, just how did you come by contracting COPD?
After reading your pitiful childish outburst in defense of narco-terrorist on the present blog 287g, to flush what you call knowledge would take and eternity. Such usually is the case with pathological lairs and of course pathetic Anti-American trash like yourself.
Bruce Wilcox
March 28th, 2009
11:33 pm
Smith want part of being a firefighter for twenty years didn’t you understand? What have you ever done?
Michael H. Smith
March 29th, 2009
1:06 am
Can’t give a straight answer? Are you saying your COPD is purely job related to firefighting?
Michael H. Smith
March 29th, 2009
1:17 am
Making things real simple Wilcox, did you ever smoke?