Did Florida Gators withdraw DB’s scholarship offer?

Did Florida release a recruit? Or simply lose him to Vanderbilt? (AP)

Did Florida release a recruit? Or simply lose him to Vanderbilt? (AP)

Did Will Muschamp withdraw the scholarship offer to one of the Florida’s recruits? Did the prospect de-commit on his own? Or did Vanderbilt simply recover and beat out the Gators in a head-to-head battle?

Details are still emerging on DB Tre Bell of New Jersey, who had been committed to Florida since April.

Over the weekend, Bell announced on Twitter that he was now pledged to Vanderbilt.

What happened? The Gainesville Sun’s Zach Abolverdi offered this insight:

A source close to the situation told The Sun that UF’s coaches wanted to see Bell in action this summer so they could critique his play, something several of Florida’s commits were required to do. But Bell never attended any of Florida’s camps in June and didn’t work out when he came down for Friday Nights Lights on July 27. The source said Bell refused to participate because his coach, Rich Hansen, advised him against it.

With many more highly rated corner prospects still left on the board, the Gators decided to part ways with the 5-foot-11, 170-pounder during his unofficial visit to UF on Aug. 2. Bell has not spoken to any media outlets since that time.

If true, was it right or wrong for Muschamp to release Bell? Should Bell have had to proven himself to Florida’s coaches at camp? On a bigger scale, should a college accept a commitment with the contingency of a prospect’s performance at summer camp?

What’s right and what’s wrong here? Did Bell’s coach give him the correct advice? If you were a high school coach, would you want your star player risking injury less than a week away (on July 27) from the start of high school practice in order to work out for a college he was already committed to?

So many issues here.

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122 comments Add your comment

Fan

August 12th, 2012
5:16 pm

First? Wow, I actually said it…..

jddawg37

August 12th, 2012
5:20 pm

second and who cares

Banjoman

August 12th, 2012
5:21 pm

Hell do blame him for not wanting to go to florida

chuck

August 12th, 2012
5:22 pm

Athletes who commit to a school should not be allowed to take other visits. I get real tired of recruits who say they are committed to a school, but I am going to take other visits. So they are not really committed.

LakeDawg

August 12th, 2012
5:23 pm

If you offer a scholly and the kid accepts, then you should honor it. I’ve never heard of offering before you’ve worked the kid out. Is Florida offering and having the kids accept, only for the offer to be contigent on the workout? That’s skating too close to the Saban way.

Dewnsav

August 12th, 2012
5:24 pm

Tampa ?? what say ye ??

nobody

August 12th, 2012
5:26 pm

Vandy has proved they can get DBs to the NFL, and he will get a far better education. Maybe the coach advised him not to workout knowing florida would rescind his scholly.

Frank Lane

August 12th, 2012
5:26 pm

Commit and visit is a flawed idea. Schools just honor their commitments. Recruits should honor their commitments.

dawgster

August 12th, 2012
5:28 pm

If the story is correct then the young man should have worked out for the coaches unless there was an injury that prevented it….In my opinion coaches should be able evaluate the players in this type of setting..The only question for me would be did the young man understand thst this was expected of him as part of the offer..Not defending the gators here, but would like to know more of the story before making a valid opinion…

Dawg in B'ham

August 12th, 2012
5:28 pm

Muschamp and UF obviously saw enough of Bell to offer him the ’ship in the past. Why should he have to prove himself again? That’s crap…but not surprised.

ALABAMA FOOTBALL

August 12th, 2012
5:29 pm

Dawgman

August 12th, 2012
5:32 pm

Maybe UF should have never offered the young man unless he worked out for them first. Sounds like Muschamp jumped the gun offering him. I agree the young man should have worked out at the camp, but he should have never had an offer until he worked out. Both are at fault.

Rut-Roh

August 12th, 2012
5:38 pm

Well, he should not have been allowed to commit till they saw him workout in person. But all the kid knew he had to workout and chose not to so I can’t blame Fla for this one.

Son of Sammy Davis Jr, Jr

August 12th, 2012
5:42 pm

Seems to me like the kid shot himself in the foot. Hopes he enjoys being the doormat for the SEC. At least he’ll gain a better education.

Holy Guacamole

August 12th, 2012
5:59 pm

I don’t think that we know what happened between the recruit and the Gators so anything that we say here is only speculation.

Having said that, I don’t think that requiring a kid to come to your university for an in-person workout is an unreasonable request since you are giving him a 4 year free education. For some reason or because of bad advice, this kid was unwilling to do that. If that is the case, I don’t blame the Gators for moving on. And no, I am NOT a Gator fan. Enough of this primadonna entitlement crap already.

JB

August 12th, 2012
6:00 pm

As a Dawg fan, I 100% support Muschamp for this. Richt loses out on some recruits because unless they are superman, they want to size them up on campus. No Story here.

BigD

August 12th, 2012
6:05 pm

Who cares????

Wiffle Ball

August 12th, 2012
6:08 pm

Honey Badger is looking

LakeDawg

August 12th, 2012
6:14 pm

The issue is that the scholly was already offered and accepted. Richt has them work out before he offers. No work out, no scholly. Yes, the kid should have worked out, but I’m not entirely comfortable with offering first and then working a kid out. Sounds like securing kids and then cutting them if you don’t like the work out.

I also don’t like kids accepting an offer and then visiting other schools, but universities should be setting the example. Of course, these kids wouldn’t be making these visits if other schools weren’t still pursuing them despite their commitment.

LakeDawg

August 12th, 2012
6:17 pm

I’m not throwing stones, just curious as to what happened. We don’t know all of the details and the kid landed on his feet. So, no tragedy here.

Master of Domain

August 12th, 2012
6:23 pm

LakeDawg

August 12th, 2012
6:14 pm
The issue is that the scholly was already offered and accepted. Richt has them work out before he offers. No work out, no scholly. Yes, the kid should have worked out, but I’m not entirely comfortable with offering first and then working a kid out. Sounds like securing kids and then cutting them if you don’t like the work out.

I also don’t like kids accepting an offer and then visiting other schools, but universities should be setting the example. Of course, these kids wouldn’t be making these visits if other schools weren’t still pursuing them despite their commitment.

Your Hoy Than Thou Attitude and inability to get past the fact that it is not about What The Loser in Present at Athens does. This is about a kid who knows that if he wants to play for ANY team, shows up and participates in MINIMAL workouts to see his speed, agility, and ability with other recruits.

I agree with others, if it was an injury then he probably should not work out, however IF his High School Head Coach controls his decision making then he should allow his High School Head Coach to DECIDE where he will go to school for him.

This is Big Boy football, not Big East Football and guys will run through brick walls to get that scholarship and work twice as hard as some of these 4 and 5 star players.

Your logic is off base LakeDawg and until you get past what Sir Mark Richt( the most underachieving Coach in the SEC the past 4 years) does and practices. Maybe this is why he has YET to play in a BCS Championship game and his program has been passed by 4 other schools in the SEC.

Holy Guacamole

August 12th, 2012
6:24 pm

Honey Badger don’t care.

MS. Bully

August 12th, 2012
6:24 pm

Go help the Commode Dores continue the winning streak against Ole Mess!!

1eyedJack

August 12th, 2012
6:26 pm

It appears that Mark Richt has lost control of Florida’s recruiting of DBs.

Holy Guacamole

August 12th, 2012
6:27 pm

Master – thought that this article was about the Gators and Vandy. How did you slip your hatred for Richt in there?

Master of Domain

August 12th, 2012
6:29 pm

LakeDawg

August 12th, 2012
5:23 pm
If you offer a scholly and the kid accepts, then you should honor it. I’ve never heard of offering before you’ve worked the kid out. Is Florida offering and having the kids accept, only for the offer to be contigent on the workout? That’s skating too close to the Saban way.

You must not pay too close attention, MULTIPLE scholarships are offered by every school where they do not WORKOUT players, the student athlete blows off the Video and a scholarship is offered sight unseen.

Your negative views over what “Saban’ does is getting real old, and shows your lack of knowledge in what it takes to win and win year after year while graduating players, putting players in the NFL and controlling your program from top to bottom. Maybe you should spend more time cutting down your own program for failing to reach that Big Game and take notes on how the Champions do it.

Master of Domain

August 12th, 2012
6:31 pm

Holy Guacamole

August 12th, 2012
6:27 pm
Master – thought that this article was about the Gators and Vandy. How did you slip your hatred for Richt in there?

I did not “slip” my hatred of Richt into the commentary, Lake Dawg wants to slam every other program and coach with his backhands and he brought up how others do it.

Holy Guacamole

August 12th, 2012
6:33 pm

Also, this is what happens when you offer every kid in the nation while they are still sophmores as some (unmentioned) programs do. Look at the top kids across the country, you will see the same names on every one of them, whether they have scholly room or not. Seems to me like this blog had that discussion some time ago. The question then was (if I remember), should UGA be offering only after workouts or Dawg night or should they be late (as some suggested) to the table with an offer. You can’t have it both ways. UGA lost some recruits because they didn’t show them “enough love”.

Concered

August 12th, 2012
6:34 pm

Enter your comments here

Master of Domain

August 12th, 2012
6:35 pm

The funny thing is that ANY time an AJC journalist writes anything NEGATIVE about UGA you leg humping drunks jump on the author and cry foul. But anytime anything is written about other programs you are the first to come on and slam other coaches. From Spurrier, Muschamp, Dooley, Saban, Miles, Franklin you guys get on here and just make up crap that holds no water. The same applies to this article.

The AJC does a good job of keeping you doggies scratching for anything.

LakeDawg

August 12th, 2012
6:40 pm

Master of Domain

This is college football, not pro football. I would like a little commitment to the college ideal. If I wanted to watch pros, I would watch the NFL, not Bama.

Holy Guacamole

August 12th, 2012
6:41 pm

Master – uh ho, looks like you outed the unnamed program I was referring to. So, you are telling me that since Saban offers 300-400 kids each year, he should honor his commitment to all of them? I thought that he only had 25 schollys per year like everyone else. BTW – I am not a Saban hater and I frankly don’t care how he runs his program so in essence, I am not criticizing him for anything.But, there are some programs that give out scholly offers like candy. I don’t know if that is right or wrong, but it has been effective for some programs.

Holy Guacamole

August 12th, 2012
6:45 pm

And also, Master, would you please stop calling UGA fans names? And, yes, you are hating on UGA. the program and the fans on a blog about the Gators and Vandy.
Not sure what got your panties (not red) in a bunch today.

LakeDawg

August 12th, 2012
6:46 pm

I’ve been critical of Richt, but I would rather have him than Saban any day. I couldn’t enjoy winning if my coach was sleaze personified.

See Rock City

August 12th, 2012
6:48 pm

The funny thing is that ANY time an AJC journalist writes anything NEGATIVE about UGA you leg humping drunks jump on the author and cry foul. But anytime anything is written about other programs you are the first to come on and slam other coaches. From Spurrier, Muschamp, Dooley, Saban, Miles, Franklin you guys get on here and just make up crap that holds no water. The same applies to this article.

The AJC does a good job of keeping you doggies scratching for anything.

Yep you just about nailed it on that one….

Master of Domain

August 12th, 2012
6:50 pm

LakeDawg

August 12th, 2012
6:46 pm
I’ve been critical of Richt, but I would rather have him than Saban any day. I couldn’t enjoy winning if my coach was sleaze personified.

Your Statement says it all, You are a clueless loser and Miles, Saban, Spurrier, Chizik, and even Fulmer got the job done, while your good man loser CMR is such a Great Man. Yet he signs the thugs and then cannot control them and that is PROVEN with his track record over the past 6 years.

Keep on believing your fantasty and in time you will turn on the man who has 9 first round draft choices, and 56 overall without the big boy title.

Holy Guacamole

August 12th, 2012
6:51 pm

Lake – I don’t think that Saban deserves the “sleaze” term. He is a damn good coach, a good recruiter and has a winning record to prove it. He may not be Mr. Congeniality and his style doesn’t translate to the pro level, but as long as he stays on the college level where he can micro manage the program, he will do well. Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t say that I like him or his program.

Hunkerdown

August 12th, 2012
6:52 pm

Good luck to the young man.

Master of Domain

August 12th, 2012
6:52 pm

Holy Guacamole

August 12th, 2012
6:41 pm
Master – uh ho, looks like you outed the unnamed program I was referring to. So, you are telling me that since Saban offers 300-400 kids each year, he should honor his commitment to all of them? I thought that he only had 25 schollys per year like everyone else. BTW – I am not a Saban hater and I frankly don’t care how he runs his program so in essence, I am not criticizing him for anything.But, there are some programs that give out scholly offers like candy. I don’t know if that is right or wrong, but it has been effective for some programs.

How foolish you are, Please name ONE, just ONE school who has had more than 85 scholarship players on campus at ANY time? The excuse the UGA fans use does not hold water when you are plus 10 scholarships under the limit. That is just POOR Management by your coaches or any coach.

Jacket Man

August 12th, 2012
6:53 pm

The Gators saw enough of the young man in High School, and obviously thought enough of him at that time to offer him a scholarship, so I’m not sure why he has to go out and prove himself again at their camp to keep it…what if he pulls a hamstring warming up and can’t perform? Will they honor it then? What if he breaks his ankle the first game his Senior season? Will they take back their offer then?

Fortunately for him, he found out in time that he had other options available. Had this occurred closer to signing day and his other top choices had filled up at his position, he would have been scrambling trying to find an alternate program he would have to “live with” for the next several years.

Holy Guacamole

August 12th, 2012
6:54 pm

Dang, Master. You went over the line when you included Auburn in that list of your rant.

Destin Dawg

August 12th, 2012
6:59 pm

Rock City.. we will beat Spurrier, Muschamp, Dooley , Franklin, and probably Saban… THIS YEAR.. Go Dawgs !!

Holy Guacamole

August 12th, 2012
6:59 pm

Ok, Master. Please re-read my post. I said that Bama (and others) offer every kid in sight by their sophmore year. They must have 400 offers on the table. Yes, I know that they have a limit of 85, but your post seemed to indicate that if they (Gators) offer a kid that they should honor that offer. Please explain to me just how do you do that when you offer 400 kids per year? And again, stop with the name calling.

See Rock City

August 12th, 2012
7:03 pm

Don’t forget the fact that they sent down every coach at UGA for Isaiah Crowells HS playoff game in violation of the recruiting bylaws. No biggie but then they place their dreams and hopes the following season on a Freshman running back, who guess what failed

A.) because he had 0.0 chance of making that jump from HS to FBS level of play in one year.

B.) The fans cheered him as savior and laid palm leaves at his feet at the start of the season and then blamed all the losses on him and booed him at the homecoming game…

C.) They are starting 2 freshman this season one will stay and the other will be the scapegoat again for Bobo and CMR…

D.) I would rather play for a coach and system that betters running backs than one that uses them like paper towels and discards them accordingly. Caleb King. Wasaun Ealy, Isaiah Crowell….

Do we really believe that gun was not placed under his seat and that check point chickie was a coincidence? No pot found…. Nothing…

UGA has 52 arrested players in 3 years.

Houston you have a problem at the UGA Plantation & Clarke County Penal Colony…

North Ave trade School FTW

August 12th, 2012
7:04 pm

Verbal commits have gone the way of the handshake deal…..no one is held to their word anymore anywhere. Why should we hold these kids to a different standard? Tech has had more than their share of these flip floppers, now the rest of you can feel our pain……I personally think the verbal is just silly….its fodder for the blogs…..the kid aint comin till he signs guy/gals…..deal with it!

Holy Guacamole

August 12th, 2012
7:06 pm

Jacket Man – Yeah and if the kid doesn’t show enough interest in your school to show up for a workout on their big recruit night, you should still offer him and have to “live with” him for the next several years? I would rather have someone who is dying to get into my school and appreciative of the opportunity to play for my university while getting a free education.

Holy Guacamole

August 12th, 2012
7:09 pm

See Rock – your comments are not worth responding to. What a twisted view of life. Sad.

Kevin

August 12th, 2012
7:11 pm

@Master hahahahahahahahaha what a loser!! Guys like that are so funny, we should all be so enlightened about how “Big Boy” football works. You can slam me all you want for this comment but it doesn’t change the fact that you are a TOOL!! Do something constructive, like picking up the trash in the trailer park or go get your wife/cousin some cigerettes!

Beast from the East

August 12th, 2012
7:18 pm

This is all Richt’s fault.

Master of Domain

August 12th, 2012
7:20 pm

Kevin

August 12th, 2012
7:11 pm
@Master hahahahahahahahaha what a loser!! Guys like that are so funny, we should all be so enlightened about how “Big Boy” football works. You can slam me all you want for this comment but it doesn’t change the fact that you are a TOOL!! Do something constructive, like picking up the trash in the trailer park or go get your wife/cousin some cigerettes

Tomorrow morning when you are picking up my trash, please return the trash can to the driveway and do not leave it in the street like you did last week.

P.S I will leave you a few snacks right on top of the trash so you can have a nice lunch.