UGA and Florida agree to not entertain recruits for annual showdown (UPDATED)

Mark Richt and Will Muschamp have passed on the opportunity to entertain recruits for their annual showdown (AJC)

Mark Richt and Will Muschamp have passed on the opportunity to entertain recruits for their annual showdown (AJC)

Georgia and Florida won’t be taking advantage of a new SEC rule change for recruiting when they play yearly in Jacksonville.

The SEC amended its rules last week to allow member schools to give complimentary tickets to recruits if they were the “home team” for a game at a neutral site. It was already permissible by the NCAA.

Did UGA make the right decision on this?

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Despite the potential recruiting benefits, Georgia athletics director Greg McGarity said both schools have reached an agreement to not provide recruiting tickets for the annual showdown because of logistical concerns.

“It’s very difficult to do that on the road, as far as personnel and tickets involved,” McGarity said. “Right now, it’s such a difficult ticket for that game, and you would need in the neighborhood of 500-600 tickets for recruits that you would have to free up. Obviously, those seats would have to be good seats.

Georgia gets approximately 40,000 tickets for the game, and has sold out its allotment for the last 20 years.

“Who do you take those recruiting tickets from? You’re not going to take your top boosters and bump them,” McGarity said. “That’s a lot of tickets. And what’s the final number? All of sudden, if you have [a top recruit] come in and you can’t accommodate them, what do you tell them? There’s just more flexibility when you’re at home, and you already have your support staff and amenities in place on your campus.

“I don’t think either institution is in a position right now to go down that road.”

UGA traditionally recruits heavily in the Jacksonville area and state of Florida. This past February, the Bulldogs signed 5-star offensive lineman John Theus from Jacksonville. UGA’s top commitment for 2013, RB Derrick Henry, lives about 30 miles above the city.

It’s an interesting decision because it would’ve allowed many Florida prospects attracted to UGA to see the Bulldogs in person without having to make the long drive to Athens.

Thoughts? Please post below.

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193 comments Add your comment

Logan Walker

June 5th, 2012
9:04 am

I’d really like to hear the school’s reasoning on this one. I just can’t understand how it could be a negative thing for us.

D DAWG

June 5th, 2012
9:05 am

D DAWG

June 5th, 2012
9:06 am

D DAWG

June 5th, 2012
9:06 am

dawgs!!!!!!!!!!!!

CPJ's fupa...

June 5th, 2012
9:10 am

Agreed Logan… Very odd decision, woulda been a great way to host N. Fla. & S. Ga recruits during the HS season. It’s hard for these S. Ga. kids to get up to Athens for a game when they played on Fri. nite…Scratching my head on this one too…

92 UGA Grad

June 5th, 2012
9:10 am

Seems like something both schools would want to take advantage of. Don’t know that I understand their thought process here…unless it counts as an official visit, which I don’t think is the case. Maybe both schools feel like it is best if they get the kids on campus for games vs the WLOCP. I’d be interested to hear McGarity’s take on deciding not to do this.

PTC DAWG

June 5th, 2012
9:19 am

Probably something to do with supervision, different routines than being on campus etc. IF they both agree, sounds fair to me.

G-Dawg

June 5th, 2012
9:21 am

Advantage Home team…not hard to figure out!!

Thomas Brown

June 5th, 2012
9:22 am

Ghost said for me to compare

MARK RICHT 1st 11 years vs Wally Butts and Vince Dooley

vs teams who actually made the AP Poll Top 10 :

3-13 Mark Richt 1st 11 yrs vs made AP Poll Top 10 win % .1875
4-5 Wally Butts 1st 11 yrs vs made AP Poll Top 10 win % .4444
4-10 Vince Dooley 1st 11 years vs made AP Poll Top 10 win % .4000

237 percent better than Mark Richt Wally Butts 1st ll years vs Top 10
213 percent better than Mark Richt Vince Dooley 1st 11 years vs Top 10

2 National Championships Wally Butts 1st 11 years as a direct result
2 National Championships Vince Dooley 1st 11 years as a direct result
0 National Championships Mark Richt 1st 11 years as a direct result

BWinKennesaw

June 5th, 2012
9:24 am

Might think that with all of the commotion involved with keeping our own team focused and out of trouble – that it might be better to have the recruits on campus in Athens instead of baby sitting a bunch of teanagers at the world’s largest cocktail party that you can’t spend much time with anyway and that are looking to party

Wet Willie...keep on smiling

June 5th, 2012
9:27 am

remember when you bring in the kids at home you provide food for them and those that bring them. Since you’re out of town then you have to spend time trying to get all that setup. As big a game is UGA vs UF is to both schools the distraction would out weight the advantage. JMO

1eyedJack

June 5th, 2012
9:31 am

I’m with you fellas.

Choot Em Liz

June 5th, 2012
9:32 am

I think most kids can turn on the tv and see how bad the Gators are this year.

T

June 5th, 2012
9:32 am

You are getting the recruits to commit to Athens, not Jacksonville. You have to sell where they will live and play for most of their at UGA. Not somewhere they visit once a year that they have seen already. That is why. You bring your recruits to your true home stadium not once every other year home stadium. It is a good move.

Joey

June 5th, 2012
9:44 am

I agree, T, and we would only be able to provide tickets as the “home team” every other year. Smart move by both UF and UGA.

WOW

June 5th, 2012
9:44 am

I bet UF loves this agreement. I want to hear the reason why?

bh

June 5th, 2012
9:53 am

why do we seem to give in to UF when it comes to these type of things? we ought to be rotating the game between Atlanta and Jacksonville, and now this. why do we not take some hard stances when it would obviously benefit us?

destin dawg

June 5th, 2012
9:53 am

this game should be played home/home or Atl./Jax… road game for the Dawgs, EVERY YEAR !!!!

AAAAA Athens Bail Bonds R Us

June 5th, 2012
9:53 am

Any more UGA players arrested this week?

destin dawg

June 5th, 2012
9:59 am

No Dawgs, but several Gators in jail lately !!

Cobb Dawg

June 5th, 2012
10:00 am

Makes sense. It’s not an actual home game, but it is one of the most highly sought-after tickets of the year — so whichever school can entertain in any given year has a clear recruiting advantage that year. Seems like the schools have decided to just cancel each other out by doing away with the practice entirely.

Bright Idea

June 5th, 2012
10:09 am

Tickets are too tight and the logistics of “hosting” recruits would be a nightmare. Both teams pull up to the stadium 2 hours before game time, play the game and go home. A wise decision by UGA and Florida. Their recruiting has survived for years without hosting in J’ville, why start now?

Buckeye

June 5th, 2012
10:11 am

Urban sends his regards……..

TIME OUT!
TIME OUT!
TIME OUT!

Numb3ers

June 5th, 2012
10:11 am

Enter your comments here

Numb3ers

June 5th, 2012
10:12 am

Thomas Brown…..your nubm3er don’t add up. Check you math.

7576DAWG

June 5th, 2012
10:13 am

This is definitely a smart decision. The game with Florida in Jacksonville every year is 100% adult generated. It is ALL about playing golf with friends that you haven’t seen in a year, it’s about staying drunk all week and it’s about letting completely go for a week. No room for baby sitting.

Dawg Haus

June 5th, 2012
10:15 am

Makes one wonder if there’s not something more to this…

OC_Dawg

June 5th, 2012
10:22 am

Can we trust FL to keep their word?

dawgfan4life

June 5th, 2012
10:23 am

those of you that dont understand why that decision was made. cant see the big picture .there is not all that much upside but a lot of down side can happen

7576DAWG

June 5th, 2012
10:24 am

I have been going to Georgia games since 1973 and have never been to Jacksonville. I guess I was just too mature for that scene. I can’t stand to get ripped off that bad and agree to let it happen. Life is too short to not mined getting screwed, especially if you have an Alpha personality.
Maybe before I die I will get to travel to Gainesville and Athens to see that game but until then that is one game I will watch on TV. When I went to Georgia the University was great and the main reason I decided to stay and graduate there but just as great of a reason was I loved the city of Athens. Not to have that great game in Athens every other year is a crime.

7576DAWG

June 5th, 2012
10:26 am

should have been mind , it’s just too early for me.

Johnny Griffith

June 5th, 2012
10:33 am

No need to show recruits an almost guaranteed losing effort. Sounds like valid reasoning to me. Should also not invite recruits to the Vanderbilt or Tennessee games, either.

Thomas Brown

June 5th, 2012
10:44 am

Wally Butts 1st 11 years vs made AP Poll Top 10 :

Alabama # 10 AP Poll 1942 won
Georgie tek # 5 AP Poll 1942 won
Alabama # 2 AP Poll 1945 lost
North Carolina # 9 AP Poll 1946 won
Alabama # 6 AP Poll 1947 lost
North Carolina # 9 AP Poll 1947 lost
Georgie tek # 10 AP Poll 1947 lost
North Carolina # 3 AP Poll 1948 lost
LSU # 9 AP Poll 1949 won

4 wins 5 losses Wally Butts 1st 11 years vs teams actually made AP Poll Top 10
.4444 win percentage Wally Butts 1st 11 years vs teams made AP Poll Top 10

1942 (11-1-0) – Wally Butts National Champions 1942 Berryman; DeVold; Houlgate System; Litkenhous; Poling System; Williamson System.

1946 (11-0-0) – Wally Butts National Champions 1946 Williamson System

__________________________________________
Vince Dooley 1st 11 years vs made AP Poll Top 10 :

# 01 Alabama 1964 lost
# 01 Alabama 1965 won
# 09 Miami of Florida 1966 lost
# 10 SMU 1966 Won Cotton Bowl ranked NC by Massey Poll
# 08 Georgie tek 1966 won
# 06 Arkansas 1966 lost
# 08 Ole Miss 1969 lost
# 10 Auburn 1970 won
# 08 Tennessee 1972 lost
# 07 Alabama 1972 lost
# 05 Auburn 1972 lost
# 04 Alabama 1973 lost
# 10 Miami of Ohio 1974 lost
# 08 Auburn 1974 lost

4-10 Vince Dooley 1st 11 years to Mark Richt 3-13 vs made AP Top 10
.4000 win percentage Vince Dooley 1st 11 years vs teams made AP Poll Top 10

1966 – Record: 10-1 Massey Ratings National Champions 1966 1 of 6 UGA

1968 – Record: 8-1-2 Litkenhous National Champions 1968 1 of 6 UGA

____________________________________________
Mark Richt all 11 years vs teams made AP Poll Top 10 :

26-24 Win 2001 # 4 AP/Coaches TOG #6 /#7 vols*
10-24 Loss 2001 # 3 AP/Coaches TOG 6/6 Florida*
13-34 Loss LSU 2003 # 2*
10-17 Loss LSU 2003 # 2*
06-24 Loss Allbarn 2004 # 2*
34-14 Win LSU 2005 # 6*
35-38 Loss West Virginia mountaineers 2005 # 5*
14-21 Loss Crocodiles 2006 # 1*
37-15 Win Allbarn 2006 # 9*
30-41 Loss Alabama 2008 # 6*
10-49 Loss Crocodiles 2008 # 1*
17-41 Loss Crocodiles 2009 # 3*
31-49 Loss Auburn 2010 # 1*
21-35 Loss Boise State 2011 # 8*
42-45 Loss Sakerlina 2011 # 9*
10-42 Loss LSU 2011 # 2*

3 wins 13 losses vs Mark Richt all 11 years vs made AP Poll Top 10
.1875 win percentage all 11 years Mark Richt vs made AP Poll Top 10

__________
SUMMARY:
__________

3-13 Mark Richt 1st 11 yrs vs made AP Poll Top 10 win % .1875
4-5 Wally Butts 1st 11 yrs vs made AP Poll Top 10 win % .4444
4-10 Vince Dooley 1st 11 years vs made AP Poll Top 10 win % .4000

237 percent better than Mark Richt Wally Butts 1st ll years vs Top 10
213 percent better than Mark Richt Vince Dooley 1st 11 years vs Top 10

2 National Championships Wally Butts 1st 11 years as a direct result
2 National Championships Vince Dooley 1st 11 years as a direct result
0 National Championships Mark Richt 1st 11 years as a direct result

http://www.sicemdawgs.com/football/fb_his.php

What does not add up with these NUMB3RS ?

Mudcat's Impala....

June 5th, 2012
10:48 am

When contacted and asked to comment UGA’s Claude Felton stated that neither teams’ coaching staffs wanted the other team to be able to see exactly which players were being recruited and, more importantly, have access to those recruits… “Those a$$holes will try to poach our kids if they get a chance!” stated a clearly agitated Felton. “The SEC’s decision changing that rule was just plain stupid.”

Jacket Man

June 5th, 2012
10:55 am

I think both teams have a “story” to tell with “real” home game experiences for their recruits. They get to tour the facilities on campus and feel the electricity on campus, including their “stroll” to the stadium and everything leading up to kickoff on gameplay. The guys get to see the home team locker rooms, etc.

In Jacksonville, even though one team may be “designated” the home team, tickets are split evenly and lockers aren’t yours. Things just aren’t as “pure” as a real home game in Jacksonville as it is on campus for players; it’s more like playing in a Bowl game.

GTBob

June 5th, 2012
10:58 am

I think its a good decision. Its not a home game and everyone within 5 miles is drunk. Its not exactly a prime recruiting environment.

Sugar Hill Dawg

June 5th, 2012
11:03 am

Smart move – last thing either school needs is some high school moron getting into Jax trouble on the universities’ dime! As far as nor getting ripped off – do what my wife and I used to do before our kids came along – drive down to Daytona Beach Wednesday after work, have the beach and pretty much all of the restaurants to yourself, then make the hour drive up 95 to Jax the morning of the game, then head on to Savannah after the game to enjoy the Hyatt along the river, then on the way home on Sunday morning. Great times!

DawginLex

June 5th, 2012
11:12 am

I would think a lot of resources would have to be thrown at this to pull it off successfully. The recruits would almost have to be escorted the entire time they are in Jacksonville.

Good call to agree to this.

Not everyone who goes to the game is drunk. To say so is naive and shallow thinking from a person who has no concept of reality.

Thomas Brown

June 5th, 2012
11:13 am

I don’t know how stupid it is to give away tickets to recruits to the Georgia Florida game at JAX. Sure, we’ve won only 3 of the 11 games Mark Richt era there. We have posters again this season on this blog above say how bad a team Florida has. We have very good results recruiting in Florida. We sign a lot of Florida recruits. The vast majority of us on this blog two-thirds of us, think we are making a mistake on this. Sure, our Athletic Department, who made this decision, defend their position as it being stupid to do it. What did you expect they would say about it, after our AD made this decision already ?

I’ve been to two dozen games in JAX. We are supposed to want to go down there, right ? 45 minutes from their campus. It is not supposed to be about getting drunk – isn’t that what our Athletic Department again told us ? And, our president Mike Adam$ said that it is not going to be called the world’s largest outdoor cocktail party any more either. So, now that is the reason to not have Florida recruits want tickets to the JAX game ? That makes no sense to say it’s a drunk fest and thus don’t invite the Florida recruits, when we have officially stated for several years now, it’s not a drunk fest. Not even allowed to call it one.

We’re the home team half the time.

We get to invite Florida recruits half the time, then.

Sure, Florida loves this arrangement that we cannot invite Florida recruits to a game in Florida of so much hype. Do we always have to agree with Florida on everything Florida wants us to do ? I think that is incredibly stupid to always go along with whatever Florida wants us to do. Obviously, you should probably want to do whatever Florida does not want us to do.

We play our biggest game all year long every year at that venue. We play there every single year. Surely, the players we’re talking about here we’re recruiting from the state of Florida would circle that game as the game they’d like to attend, and to have some impact on the next 4 games there, from having been to the game.

Florida would have access to our recruits ? Come on. Florida knows who are recruiting. The kids tell them. They talk and talk about who is recruiting them. Florida has no more access to them there than we would. And, if Florida does have access to our recruits, wouldn’t we have access to their recruits half the time too ? How can only Florida have access to our recruits ? Silly agument.

We could use some hype for the recruits from state of Florida and in South Georgia. This is a mistake for us to go along with Florida and not allow us to bring in our state of Florida recruits and South Georgia recruits to the game in JAX – our biggest game every single year.

Thomas Brown

June 5th, 2012
11:18 am

What home game are you going to invite the recruits to this season ?

Go ahead; I’ll await that answer, since we don’t have a single home this season worth driving to Athens for.

GTBob

June 5th, 2012
11:19 am

Not everyone who goes to the game is drunk. To say so is naive and shallow thinking from a person who has no concept of reality.

You are right. There are hardly any drunk people at the world largest outdoor cocktail party. I guess there are a few designated drivers, bless their souls.

Gary

June 5th, 2012
11:28 am

Hey Buckeye, Soon as you beat Georgia you can talk smack. You can’t take credit for your coaches work at another school. Shame you dropped us from your schedule. We were looking forward to some Urban revenge with Ohio State. We played you. You lost.

Gary

June 5th, 2012
11:33 am

Even if we win in jax we never look good doing it. The half and half crowd is even but the Gators are louder. Not sure I want to show a recruit our competition at their best. You need to sell athens. Sanford stadium full of fans is a much better sell. All your doing in Jax is giving Florida a free show for the same kid.

Johnny Griffith

June 5th, 2012
11:39 am

Recruits should be invited to Buffalo, Florida Atlantic, and Georgia Southern. The reasons are simple according to Natureboy:

Natureboy809

June 2nd, 2012
1:42 pm
Everyone who wants to add a 9th conference game is being selfish as a fan. Sure, it would make for one more big week, but the “cupcake games” are good for college football for a couple of reasons:
#1) Most of these cupcake schools depend on their mismatch games against schools like UGA to meet their athletic budgets. We seldom think of it like this, but some female soccer or tennis player got a scholarship to Coastal Carolina paid for by their game against UGA. Eliminate these games, and some of the athletic departments of these smaller schools will be greatly strained or even eliminated.
#2) It is great for the players of the cupcake teams to get to live out their dream of playing inside a big stadium in front of 90,000 fans.
#3) It is great for all of the walk ons and other guys who bust their tails in practice for years who never get to play to live out their dream of getting on the field in Sanford Stadium.

additionally

#4)Recruits will see that everyone gets playing time at UGA, just like Upward Basketball.
#5) It will probably be a guaranteed win.
#6)The recruits will get to see a mostly empty student section and wonder why.

News flash for ignorant dog fans

June 5th, 2012
11:40 am

The game is played at Alltel Stadium in Jax which is an hour and 35 minute bus ride for the Gators and about an hour plane ride for the dogs. They both stay in a hotel in the Jax vacinity on friday night so it is a road game for BOTH teams. Funny that prior to 1990 the dogs loved coming to Jax to pound the Gators. The only inconvienience is for UGA fans having to travel from the Atl and Athens area.

Nimrod Dawg

June 5th, 2012
11:45 am

I’m hearing Richt is going to reveal new unis for the Party, and when the Dawgs wear new unis, the team is always ready to play. At least they always have been in the past. Why not have recruits there to witness the unique psychological tactics of the Richtster? Sounds like a no-brainer to me.

bham dawg

June 5th, 2012
11:50 am

Why? Why? Why does our administration get pushed over time and time again. Take advantage of the rules. This pisses me off.

Gator Phil

June 5th, 2012
11:59 am

Thomas Brown- Please don’t try to count national championships from Massey and Litkenhous. I don’t know any Gators that try to recognize 1984 by the New York Times. It makes you sound like a Bama fan. Only Alabama tries to use every possible poll to claim their titles(don’t know why since they have a bundle of legimate titles without throwing in those cheapies)

Blackoutanyone?

June 5th, 2012
12:00 pm

UF just broke it off in UGA on this one. I feel sorry for UGA fans. You deserve much better than Richt. Saban would never have signed off on this. Good thing you guys just signed him to that extension.

DawginLex

June 5th, 2012
12:01 pm

2 Ohio state starters arrested over the weekend and suspended.
Mizzou backup QB re-instated to team after arrest earlier in year for leaving the scene of an accident.

What do you bet that Urban will re-instate both players during summer practice just like Pinkel did with his QB?