Does 6 BCS championships in a row give the SEC a recruiting advantage?

Does winning six BCS championships in a row give the SEC a recruiting advantage?

We think so, especially when we hear things like this: We asked one of Atlanta’s best prospects if he was hoping for a scholarship offer from one of the ACC’s top programs and he said this:

“They were going to offer but I wasn’t really interested. I mean, it’s a good school but there’s no point in wasting their time. I’m staying in the SEC. The best players and the best competition are in the SEC.”

Yeah, that’s pretty powerful stuff, and brutal for a non-SEC school to have to compete against in fertile recruiting grounds of Georgia.

How does an SEC coach feel about that issue? Does winning six BCS championships in a row help you with recruiting? We asked Tennessee’s Derek Dooley:

Tennessee's Derek

Tennessee's Derek Dooley: "I’ve been watching the SEC a long time. There have been times when Georgia has hit a dip, there has been a time when LSU has hit a dip, there’s been times when Bama has hit a dip and Florida has hit a dip. All these schools that are winning now have hit a point sometime in their history, but they all have the resources and commitment to football to not stay down long." (AP)

“Winning is extremely important; there’s no question about that,” Dooley told the AJC recently. “And what I think is also important is having a history of winning. Winning today is one thing, but showing you have a history of winning and the resources to continue winning is more important … because all these big schools hit their dips.

“I’ve been watching the SEC a long time. There have been times when Georgia has hit a dip, there has been a time when LSU has hit a dip, there’s been times when Bama has hit a dip and Florida has hit a dip. All these schools that are winning now have hit a point sometime in their history, but they all have the resources and commitment to football to not stay down long.

“That’s certainly something we sell at Tennessee. It wasn’t that long ago that we were on top of this league and competing for conference championships. And we have the resources to continue doing that and it’s going to happen over time.”

We’re not sure why Dooley’s answer went basically into a history lesson and indirectly defending Tennessee’s first back-to-back losing seasons since 1911, but he was making some colorful remarks so … we let him run with it. Then, we asked him again: Does winning six BCS championships in a row help your school with recruiting?

“I think winning is important but I think why we’re winning is what the players see, more than anything,” Dooley said. “They see the commitment to football. They see the amount of resources that we’re able to put around these players, to develop them as players, to help them academically, and to support them as people.

“When you have that level of commitment, it allows a student-athlete to reach his potential better. I made the example of this: If you take two young kids, and one of them you are reading to every day, and the other one you’re never reading to, who is going to be the better reader by the time he is 10 years old? Well, it’s no different when they train as an athlete. If you have resources around you from a facility standpoint, from a medical attention standpoint, from an equipment standpoint, from a rehab standpoint, and from getting good quality coaching standpoint … those things are going to enable you to reach your capacity better.”

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At this point, I decided to rephrase the question. Dooley, the former attorney who is one of the smartest football coaches I have ever interviewed, had some good points. Maybe it was my fault and I needed to ask the question in a better way? Here goes: When the SEC wins six national championships in a row, does it help all the conference’s schools with recruiting?

“Well, I mean, I think it has helped … but Tennessee has always been able to compete for the best prospects in America,” Dooley said. “I don’t know how much Alabama winning has helped us, if that makes sense?

“Here’s what you’re missing that I will go back to: What the player looks at his what is the commitment level to football at a school? Because that’s going to impact what his experience level is like, and what resources he has available to reach his potential. That’s what Florida State has been able do.

Dooley: “I don’t know how much Alabama winning has helped us (with recruiting), if that makes sense?" (AP)

Dooley: “I don’t know how much Alabama winning has helped us (with recruiting), if that makes sense?" (AP)

“So the SEC schools, I think it’s fair to say, have made a bigger commitment to developing players and a bigger commitment to having championship football – and that’s a financial commitment, it’s a personnel commitment, and it’s a fan experience. That’s what the players are seeing.

“So it’s not that we’re winning, it’s why we’re winning. There are reasons. And so, when they come visit the school, they are attracted to the school because they are winning. Then, when they get there, they see why. They see support and resources that we provide in the SEC.”

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Home of Champions

May 13th, 2012
5:38 am

You should have asked Alabama, LSU, Auburn and Florida.

jp

May 13th, 2012
5:44 am

Lol at Dooley and you. But Georgia should be able to recruit even if they were in the ACC. The school just has everything going for it. Any ole coach can recruit at UGA and UF. Now the other schools it can get a bit tricky but because of geographical locations these two should be set for a long time

Larry

May 13th, 2012
5:57 am

Michael, are you actually serious asking this question? In all sincerity, I cannot recall such an obviusly answered question.

Is there blue sky above the clouds in the daylight hours?

Come on man…try to be more compelling or challenging in your questions!

Jailyard Dwag.......

May 13th, 2012
6:14 am

We always win the recruiting championship in February. Then we have to play a top twenty team in November and that ruins everything.Scheduling is much more important than recruiting.Keep those top twenty team off our schedule and we’re the NC…….. .

kingdaddy

May 13th, 2012
6:26 am

M.C.
Has a Cat’$ A$$ got a climbing gear???

kingdaddy

May 13th, 2012
6:37 am

@jp
you hit the nail on the head bubba! I’m sure as a whole, it helps a little but most of the SEC talent is just good ole local boys playing close too home. I don’t see Texas or THE REAL USC having any problems recruiting (except if they’re on probation)! Put Alabama, LSU, Florida and UGA in the ACC and then this story is about the great ACC RECRUITING…

kingdaddy

May 13th, 2012
6:44 am

If Georgia Tech was in the SEC,I’m sure recruiting would go down in the SEC and back up in the ACC. They would drag a whole conference STRAIGHT TO H*LL! Just saying…

Paddy

May 13th, 2012
7:13 am

kingdaddy………not a big Tech fan but you might have overstated the “straight to h_ll” comment.

Go Dawgs

TennesseeDawg

May 13th, 2012
7:33 am

Does 6 BCS championships in a row give the SEC a recruiting advantage?
Uh, yeah…..yeah………pretty much. Next question

kingdaddy

May 13th, 2012
7:34 am

Paddy
LOL, sorry it’s the BLUE-BERRY COBLER COFFEE! OOOH WEEEE, ITS GOOD! G.T.s OK, I’m just trying to wake everybody else up…

kingdaddy

May 13th, 2012
7:40 am

Everybody, tell your Moms you love them so much it hurts. I’m up early cooking mine a BIG dinner for after church. Even most Thechies have Moms…(JUST KIDDING)!!!

Country boy

May 13th, 2012
7:47 am

To Coach Dooley. – clearly Tennessee is in a dip

Beast from the East

May 13th, 2012
7:56 am

It helps the conference as a whole, but it does not help every school. Do you think Vandy, Kentucky, Ole Miss and Mississippi State are really getting kids they would not have before simply because UF, LSU, Bama and Auburn have won titles? I think not.

HotDawg

May 13th, 2012
8:04 am

Uhhh…Well Hel$ yeah it does! I mean is that a serious question?

A1A

May 13th, 2012
8:15 am

A few comments about UGA:

1. Four different SEC teams have won the last six BCS championships.

2. UGA was not one of those teams.

3. During that period, UGA did not win the SEC championship.

4. Red panties and hashbrowns.

In other words, UGA has sunk into total irrelevancy both regionally and nationally.

So why is UGA paying Mark Richt millions of dollars a year?

LakeDawg

May 13th, 2012
8:24 am

Despite Dooley’s promotion of UT, he is correct. The SEC is going to recruit well, regardless. All of the players are down here and football is a religion. The MNC’s might have hurt the ACC a little, but they’ve never really competed with the SEC for the top players anyway, with the exception of FSU and Clemson, who still recruit well. The MNC’s have probably kept a handful of players down south instead of going to OSU, USC, etc.

kingdaddy

May 13th, 2012
8:32 am

A1a
Get out of your Mom’s basement, go upstairs and tell her you love her. Maybe some of your jealousy and hate for UGA will seem a little less important today. Give your Ga. bashing a break or go back to the “Will Coach Saban Steal The Top Two Recruits Out Of Georgia? ” blog, you lonely, lonely troll…

Tampa Gator

May 13th, 2012
8:35 am

@Larry…..

Let me answer you blue sky and clouds question for you. It looks obvious that there is blue sky above the clouds. But in actuality, the blue you see is just a reflection. Maybe, next time, just ignore reading about sports and go study some science.

Thomas Brown

May 13th, 2012
8:35 am

But, does it give US an advantage, isn’t that the real question ?

Take what ecdawg blogs about this morning over at Leather Helmet :

(1) ecdawg says Matt Barkley plays in a “vastly inferior conference” compared to Aaron Murray. Really ? We’re # 6 team in just The SEC in won/lost record the current 4-year period. We haven’t beat any SEC team achieving a winning SEC record starting with Kentucky game in 2007.

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Who’ve we beat ?
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Every time someone tells you we play in a better conference than some team they then are trying to put down, ask yourself, are they being Fair with their analysis, and dig deeper into what their record is against top teams.

(2) ecdawg quotes on a small portion of what is available at the URL Link he says he is cutting and pasting from. Don’t you do this too when you discuss only a portion of a blog post gentlemen, I ask you please ? He purposely cut all the negative post out. Aren’t you doing this too, be honest now, when you reply to a portion of a blog post gentlemen ? Just want to be accurate about this you accuse me of to make my point.

(3) The article states which ecdawg, only, presents “Aaron Murray can decipher information in his drop and let go of the ball quickly and accurately in the short/intermediate pass game.” This is the biggest claim about Aaron Murray that all the Aaron Murray will never play one down in the NFL crowd, state about him – that he isn’t accurate and doesn’t decipher information in his drop in his short/intermediate passing game.

Let’s look at the details :

Matt Barkley played Oregon who achieved

# 4 Oregon

26 of 34 passing Matt Barkley vs # 4 Oregon 4 TD passes 1 intercept

We haven’t beat such a team since 2006 beating # 9 Auburn.

Matt Barkley beat an 8-5 Arizona and a 8-5 Oregon State, neither who achieved any top 25 ranking, just as Aaron Murray beat 8-5 Georgia tek and 8-5 Auburn, neither who achieved any top 25 ranking, either.

Matt Barkley also beat 8-5 Notre Dame, who like all of Aaron Murray’s wins didn’t achieve any top 25 ranking in addition. Where’s Aaron Murray’s win to match up with this, if Aaron Murray plays in the vastly superior SEC, never mind that Aaron Murray hasn’t beat diddle-e-squat for a team, like Matt Barkley’s 4 TD performance vs # 4 Oregon.

Matt Barkley also beat 10-Win Hawai’i. Where is Aaron Murray’s win over a 10-Win team ? He doesn’t have one. He has no wins over any 9-Win team, no wins over any 10-Win team and has no wins over any 12-Win team like Oregon neither.

8-5 Boston College, Matt Barkley beat. Aaron Murray just doesn’t win these games, folks. And, the reason for it is he is inaccurate.

# 72 in the nation in pass completion percentages, doesn’t get you an article saying what a great NFL Quarterback you’re going to be. Not by sane, studious fans of the game, who know what they’re talking about, or at least bother to go look it up before saying from the Land of Fruit and Nuts out there in California that Aaron Murray is more accurate than Matt Barkley when Matt Barkley is over 64 percent pass completion percentage beat a lot better teams than Aaron Murray has with his 59 percent pass completion percentage by direct contrast.

8-5 California Matt Barkley beat. I’m sorry, but the comparison of just whom it is Aaron Murray has beat compared to Matt Barkley just isn’t at all what ecdawg tries to paint with the statement that Aaron Murray plays in the vastly superior SEC. Sure we do. 8-5 Utah Matt Barkley beat. And, just as surely Matt Barkley has a lot better wins than Aaron Murray. A lot better. Because although we play in The SEC, we play the dead last easiest softest cupcake-filled schedule of all 14 SEC teams, just as we did compared to all 12 SEC teams 2011.

# 5 Ohio State achieved, and Matt Barkley ? You got it, beat # 5 Ohio State. 15 of 31 Matt Barkley against the # 5 team in the nation, and beat # 5 Ohio State. Oh yeah, Aaron Murray is going to be better in the NFL because Aaron Murray is “playing in the vastly superior SEC.”

11-2 Ohio State achieved and Matt Barkley beat them, too. Give me a break. Best Aaron Murray can brag about in this vastly superior SEC is 2 wins over two 8-5 teams, when Matt Barkley has 7 such wins and 2 more wins over an 11-2 and a 12-2 team, and 10-Win team.

8-5 teams don’t achieve any top 25 poll; these are 14-game seasons and you win 8 and you are not ranked, just as none of the 7 wins by Matt Barkley which directly compare to Aaron Murray’s only 2-best wins over 2 teams neither of which also achieved any top 25 poll.

It isn’t that The SEC has Won 6 Consecutive BCS National Championships, but that of the 14-teams in The SEC for 2102, we are # 6 in won/lost record here at UGA over the current 4-year period.

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QUIT RIDING THE COATTAILS OF THE SEC WHEN IT SUITS YOU.
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While ignoring we haven’t beat an SEC team who achieved a winning SEC record since 6 seasons ago now.

Matt Barkley 64 percent pass completion percentage
Aaron Murray 59 percent pass completion percentage

Matt Barkley :
(1) beat 12-2 Oregon # 4
(2) beat 11-2 Ohio State # 5
(3) beat 10-4 Hawai’i
(4) beat 08-5 Oregon State
(5) beat 08-5 Arizona
(6) beat 08-5 Utah
(7) beat 08-5 California
(8) beat 08-5 Notre dame
(9) beat 08-5 Boston College

Aaron Murray by direct comparison :
(1) beat 08-5 Georgia tek
(2) beat 08-5 Auburn

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Can-Georgia-QB-Aaron-Murray-challenge-Matt-Barkley.html

Wet Willie...keep on smiling

May 13th, 2012
8:36 am

I think the 6 wins opens a lot of doors across the country to recruits that see a great route to the NFL is thru the SEC but those doors are at Bama,LSU, and UF at this time. The rich just get richer but the fallout can be is teams like auburn,arkansas,Miss State, and UT will get players that would have signed with the big 3 but those had no schollys left due to taking national recruits. Auburn has 2 so far this year that were about 3 down on the list to Bama but are good solid players.

Tampa Gator

May 13th, 2012
8:39 am

@A1A…

I doubt that Auburn, Florida, Alabama, or LSU thinks Georgia has no relevancy in the SEC or nationally. Georgia is a top 10 progran, and I think Georgia has a great shot at the SEC title this year. But they will have to beat a good South Carolina team and a much improved Florida team to win the East. That will not be easy, and it never is.

1eyedJack

May 13th, 2012
8:40 am

“Does six BCS championships in a row give the SEC a recruiting advantage?”

Over the ACC, YES!!
Over the rest of the country, not so much. I don’t see kids from the North, Southwest, Midwest, or West beating down the door to come to the SEC. On the otherhand the SEC can find plenty of good players in their own back yards.

1eyedJack

May 13th, 2012
8:44 am

Thomas Brown, your post, by its very length, defends itself against the risk of being read.

BobDawg

May 13th, 2012
8:50 am

I remember Matthew Stafford basically answering that question when he signed with the Dawgs out of Tx. There was no SEC school in Tx at the time and he came with us… #1 pick in the draft and all is good!

LakeDawg

May 13th, 2012
8:51 am

Tampa Gator

“Let me answer you blue sky and clouds question for you. It looks obvious that there is blue sky above the clouds. But in actuality, the blue you see is just a reflection. Maybe, next time, just ignore reading about sports and go study some science.”
————————————————————————————————————————————

Yes, the sky is blue, because our atmosphere reflects the blue wavelengths of sunlight. However, the sky is still blue. No arguing that.

BobDawg

May 13th, 2012
8:52 am

1 EYED JACK… correct . when i see a lengthy post, I just skip over it… Someone with an obvious rant and wants to be heard without hearing others…

kingdaddy

May 13th, 2012
8:54 am

Tampa Gator 8:39
So true, good post…

Thomas Brown

May 13th, 2012
8:55 am

WE HAVEN’T DONE CRUDOLA IN THE SEC

What The SEC does, isn’t helping US

Yes it helps in different ways

May 13th, 2012
9:07 am

Sure it helps the sec and more specifically those teams that perform well In recruiting

Any shared revenues flow to sec’s lower and medium ranked teams

Tampa Gator

May 13th, 2012
9:08 am

@LakeDawg…..

You missed the point of that post……hint: the purpose of that post had nothing to do with the color of the “clear blue sky.”

BigTimeTECHFan

May 13th, 2012
9:12 am

ACC is better and has better schools, players and coaches. Plus in ACC it is harder to go undefeated, In SEC if your good you can easily go through SEC undefeated.

Poopdawg

May 13th, 2012
9:20 am

Bigtimefan , please dial 911 . Hope it’s not contagious.

Thomas Brown

May 13th, 2012
9:25 am

We’re talking about recruiting here. We’ve got lots of money. 2nd most in the nation. The revenue all these SEC teams add to our coffers who have put us # 6 in The SEC for 2012 in won/lost record the current 4-year period, are getting the benefits of this in recruiting.

When you haven’t beat an SEC team who’s achieved a winning SEC record in 6 seasons as we face this season, with 1 team the entire 12 regular seasons games against a team who made any top 25 poll, recruits don’t look at UGA and say Wow, let’s go play at UGA because they’re in The SEC.

Recruits would like to see your program win against top teams in The SEC and in the nation. We’ve accomplished nothing in The SEC in my mind when now 2012, it’s been 6 seasons since we’ve beat a SEC team who achieved a winning SEC record all the way back to the Kentucky game in 2007.

We have a good defense, wish the secondary wasn’t in the shape we’re in back there, and if we could just beat some of the top teams this season – before we lose the entire defense after this up-coming season – then, yes, that The SEC has Won then 7 seasons in a row, would be a benefit to us in recruiting.

All it is doing now besides adding more monies to our already over-filled coffers, is rubbing salt in the wound that we cannot beat the top teams in years and years and years.

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WHEN YOU BRAG ABOUT THE SEC, YOU HAVE TO HAVE BEAT THESE TOP TEAMS
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Rowdey_Red_Pachyderm

May 13th, 2012
9:27 am

I think you must look at middle of the road programs and lower tier ones in the SEC to find the truth within the question.

Alabama, LSU, Florida are going to get the top players regardless of conference affiliation. Ole Miss, UGA, MSU, Tennessee.South Carolina and Kentucky would be programs where this question of “coattail recruiting” may apply itself if at all.

I am not sure Wake Forest and Virginia even recruit the same kids that an MSU and Kentucky would in football. Now would UGA and Tennessee hold an advantage over Troy and GA Southern in recruiting, why sure because they are the big state schools and I would say conference schedule would factor in as well.

Alabama/Florida/LSU racking up BCS crystal trophy’s helps like icing on a cake but Auburns class of recruits this year pales in comparison to say UGA’s, that ‘kinda invalidates the argument to a degree.

Of course when Mr. Lowdmother cuts Ruben Foster a check and blackmails him to play for the barn & dairy it might increase their outlook.

All and all, I think “coattail recruiting” is more of an icing on the cake metric used in the closing argument to get the kid to sign his LOI.

IMO.

Thomas Brown

May 13th, 2012
9:32 am

You don’t think the recruit is going to ask who’d you beat of these SEC teams ?

KeepDreaming

May 13th, 2012
9:32 am

Is the sky blue? DUH!

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Gator,

May 13th, 2012
9:47 am

Enter your comments here

The Tide is Rolling and Nothing can stop it

May 13th, 2012
9:48 am

Well, it helps the teams that actually win BCS championships…

A person SMART enough to know......

May 13th, 2012
9:53 am

What HELPS the SEC it the LOW Level degrees the SEC colleges offer to keep the Mo Rons eligible. When you look at the SEC Players(NFL Caliber) after college that don’t make it in the Pros most don’t have Valuable degree.

FBFan

May 13th, 2012
9:54 am

I think that just as important and perhaps moreso is the media adulation shown to the SEC, both TV and print. Recruits are inundated with everything SEC. In reality perception is everything and the perception is that the SEC is the best.

Gator,

May 13th, 2012
9:56 am

Thomas another stupid approach during regular season play in 2011, Bama beat 1 team with a winning record in SEC play. LSU beat 2, South Carolina beat 1 ,Arkansas beat 1, In 2010 Bama beat 1 team with a winning record in SEC,In 2009 Bama beat 1 team with a winning conference record during regular season. Another stupid analogy from Thomas Brown

1eyedJack

May 13th, 2012
9:58 am

The Southeastern Conference has swag.

Game Changer

May 13th, 2012
10:02 am

Georgia was relevant in 2002, BUT THEN WE HAD TO PLAY FLORIDA — Since that Florida game, Georgia football has not been relevant past the 5th game of any season, that is 9 years and counting. For the kool aid GA fans that live in denial facts do not matter. UGA football has never recovered from the 2002 LOSS to Florida.

Gator,

May 13th, 2012
10:03 am

Thomas, Only LSU with 5 has won more than Georgia 4 , in past 11 years. Only LSu has won more SEC titles than Georgia in past 11 years. Georgia tied with Bama and Auburn with 2 each. Goergia and LSU tied with 9 top 25 finishes most in SEC over the past 9 years, But Georgia hasn’t doesn’t do crap in SEC?

Thomas Brown

May 13th, 2012
10:06 am

Alabama beat 2 teams who achieved top 10 in the season just ended alone; and, we’ve not beat even 1 since Auburn achieved # 9 in 2006.

Not what was it you said ? This isn’t relevant ?

Gator,

May 13th, 2012
10:06 am

Gamechanger, Thomas Brown clone, 6 top 10 finishes, 3 BCS bowl appearances, 2 BCS bowl wins , 2 conference titles, 4 division titles, no nothing has been accomplished at all, Georgia should just give the sport up entirely, what a tool.

A person SMART enough to know......

May 13th, 2012
10:10 am

Playing Hawaii in a BCS game was a JOKE but it was a BCS game.

Thomas Brown

May 13th, 2012
10:10 am

2005 was 8 seasons ago now this 2012 season.

2002 was 11 seasons ago now this 2012 season.

In the meantime, while The SEC has Won 6 Consecutive BCS National Championships, we haven’t so much as beat one of these SEC teams you run in here to brag about, holding on to their coattails who achieved a winning SEC record starting with the Kentucky game in 2007.

Now, what was it we’ve done in The SEC ?

We haven’t done crudola in The SEC is years and years and years, beating the top SEC teams, not crudola – not in years and years and years

Gator,

May 13th, 2012
10:14 am

In the regular season SEC Bama beat Arky as there lone win over an SEC team with a winning record. So only 4 teams in SEC had a win over a team with a winning conference record.Its that way every year, your point is useless , you throw out negatives that apply to most every team in the league.